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Jemele Hill on Why She Left Traditional Media to Build Her Own - Ep. 186 w/ Jemele Hill · Black Fridays: Business Growth for Entrepreneurs, Creators & Professionals

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[SPEAKER_01]: Detroit, you know, you grew up in a city that's like 80% black, you see black leadership everywhere, you see black business ownership everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your sense of identity is very positive and it's strong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because after you leave Detroit, you're going to be in a lot of spaces and places where you're one up to you of or it's not that many that look like you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But because of what we come from,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're comfortable with our identity wherever we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Journalism is curiosity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be curious about how the world works, how it doesn't work in order to be a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know that there's this constant conversation between what is a journalist versus what is an influencer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know the difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like a lot of journalists don't really want to be entrepreneurs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was sort of forced into entrepreneurship, if you will, just realizing that I myself was the business.
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[SPEAKER_00]: up though, Black Friday's family, welcome back to another installment of the Black Friday's podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that we got the business I've spent out of the way, I have to let you all know that this is a monumental episode of the Black Friday's podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have a legend in the building, and when I say legend, I'm talking about somebody who has touched almost every aspect that you can think of when it comes to media.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking not only right in,
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[SPEAKER_00]: producing, podcasting, being a media personality, all the above.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely a woman who does not need any introduction but rightfully so will receive one today on the platform.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can't forget to mention the 2018 National Association of Black Journalists, Journalists of the Year, not other than the Trace On, Mr.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Male Hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for joining us today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate that very gracious introduction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: of course and well deserved as I mentioned then I got a chance to meet you in person for the very first time at the Bomisi Summit a few weeks ago and you are a woman of your word and put up on this today on the podcast and before we get into this
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[SPEAKER_00]: discussion about your journey about business and all the things that you have been able to accomplish in the chief, I got to start it because your story is firmly rooted in Detroit and you're bringing your upbringing in the city and I got to start there and I would love to understand how do you feel as being a daughter of Detroit so to speak, how that has shaped the woman that you have become today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's something that I wear as a badge on or being from Detroit for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Detroit has such a significant impact on the type of person I became, the type of journalist I became.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, anybody who's from Detroit understands that, you know, our city, there is, we just have a certain mentality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a, there's a certain grit to is a certain hustle mentality that most of us have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's also a city that breeds a lot of confidence in us as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, one thing about Detroit is we're going to figure out a way to get it done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to figure out a way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's just, it's just kind of what has been bred into us, so to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so going up in that environment, and I think also growing up in a city that was economically black, politically black, and socially black,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that is really a significant advantage, you know, is that anybody who grew up in Detroit, you know, you grew up in a city that's like 80% black, you see black leadership everywhere, you see black business ownership everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So your sense of identity is very positive and it's strong because after you leave Detroit, you're gonna be in a lot of spaces and places where you're one of few of or it's not that many that look like you, but because of what we come from,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're comfortable with our identity wherever we go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that part was like a major component.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It tripped me out when I got to college and even further into adulthood to talk to people, other black people who came from cities where or in school systems, where they like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: had very few black teachers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never had a black male teacher or like stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, and really the question you should ask me is, how many white teachers I had?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I can tell you do out and go through Detroit Public Schools.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was probably less than five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody was black, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, well, we were certainly like, we knew, obviously black history, but I mean, black history melt was all year round.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause black teachers intentionally talk about black people the entire school year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, just little things like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're such an anomaly unless you grew up in, you know, maybe Detroit, maybe Atlanta, maybe some places that were heavily black, but even some of those other places that I have a lead black because they're not politically black or structurally black.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They might have a numbers, but they're on the set of have the support to do those things, but you know, black people everywhere Detroit that are controlling the halls of power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, there was never any idea that we needed an excuse to be black at black or to learn
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really appreciate it having such a good foundation and it has, I think, given me just a sense of awareness, like an additional superpower to me is coming from the city of Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% and getting a chance to listen to him in where as you can see, I got it right on Yeah, I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the positioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would listen to you interview a Kevin on stage and what they say always be selling ABS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got to sell them books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So listen to your story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that being firmly rooted in the city and in a part of that blackness was the family that you came from obviously and your career in At your core, I know that you're a journalist, but has but you have become so many more things and
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[SPEAKER_00]: done so many more things outside of that throughout your career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you got your footing in journalism or even starting to get an inkling or inception of what that career could look like, I was wondering your connection with your grandmother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed she was a stickler for education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed you grew up being very enthralled with history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was curious if that connection that you had with your grandmother and that
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[SPEAKER_00]: inquisitiveness did that was that the incubation or was that the inception of you possibly pursuing a career in journalism that curiosity and always wanting to learn more that third financial knowledge?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah in some ways I would say it was but I would also attribute some of it to just being a sportsman because the thing is
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[SPEAKER_01]: because the way you had to consume sports in was so different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I did, my curiosity is we're always encouraged.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And my grandmother was a really big reader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She had a library in her basement and I will never forget.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I made the mistake once I tell her I was bored and she made me go down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she had a copy of warm piece, which if you've ever seen a copy of warm piece.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this book is probably like 15 layers deep, it's so thick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a lot of pages.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And after that, I was like, I will never tell this woman, I'm bored.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of my life because if that means my punishment is having to re-warm these, never again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But nevertheless, she had a lot of an amazing library connection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I would often
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[SPEAKER_01]: find myself just pulling books off the shelf.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I see what they were about, you know, man child in the Promised Land.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so many different groups, so many different books that, um, you know, that talked about the black experience in the past, present day, a lot of history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's back then when every family had a encyclopedia, so that was down there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think her love of reading.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And language was a was a really key component and then the other part of it was me just having a natural affinity for sports, loving to play sports, loving to read about sports, loving to watch sports, so it's sort of like I combine these two things when I started to really think about the kind of career that I wanted to have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I reading the newspaper, I think, growing up because that was the way we follow our sports teams then was like a big, important piece of like why became a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, seeing that, seeing the storytelling of sports that was possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: understanding like how you can capture a moment like all those things when I decided to take high school journalism at Muffert that a lot of that decision was based off that was kind of early principles and foundation that I had so it was a yeah I mean it was a career I was just kind of destined for and I was really
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[SPEAKER_01]: lucky, unfortunate to find it as early as I did, like a most young people, you know, you go through three, four, maybe five different career choices before you settle on the one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for me to have discovered in 10th grade, like, hey, I kind of want to, I think I want to try to be a sports writer, even though I wasn't even fully aware of what a sports writer did, but it just felt like something I wanted to try to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I credit not only her, but also just
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[SPEAKER_01]: natural draw towards sports in general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most definitely and I got to ask you that because there may be a little bit redundant but in today's day and age, I think we definitely have to be clear with some definitions and you talk a little bit about at Bommisi, but how would you define journalism or a journalist?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean for me, um...
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[SPEAKER_01]: The underlying and core principle of journalism is curiosity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be curious about how the world works, how it doesn't work in order to be a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And our business is still really about the five questions, who, what, where, when, why, how?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the business, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know that there's this constant conversation between what is a journalist versus what is an influencer and you know the difference and that's not to at all disrespect what influencers do but typically what influencers do are not the same thing that journalists do like journalists aren't there to be part of the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like your job is to tell people what happened, give them context for why it happened, and perhaps ask some tough, and sometimes uncomfortable questions along the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of influences are essentially promoters in their extension of the brand or the person that they're or the event that they're covering and it's like journalists don't really do that is that you know, if I'm a journalist covering the Oscars and I'm going to ask the actors questions not just about their work, but maybe about artistic choices they made decisions they've made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of those questions might be a little uncomfortable to ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think influencers are largely there to promote the health of the event.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, you know, I have to explain this sometimes as sports fans is like, your job is to be a fan, not mine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My job is not to be the fan of the thing that I cover.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan of the information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan of the story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan of like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They'll competitive this and those sorts of things, but like, yeah, if I cover the piss, is my job, is the cover of the piss, is my job is not to be a pissed-ins fan covering the piss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so sometimes I think people, especially in today's age, because the lines have become so blurred, that it's hard for them to conceptualize what a journalist is actually supposed to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I definitely can concur with you on that because one of the things is I get deep into like the piston fan podcast and like what we're forcing all those type of things, but what at the end of the day, I have to I get upset listening to those because it's so based in like fanfare versus like what's reality like, oh, we about to trade everybody for coire, we about to get a battery, we're driving for a package getals like that's how.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things work and because like in my mind I'm a pseudo GM.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know how some of those things work on the back end, but I definitely and which you there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so being a podcast for myself and knowing other people that's in this land you are in this space as well could podcasts just be considered journalist or which you have to have that journalist back in before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: coming in the podcast because you become a journalist through podcast and that's something I've been curious about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want people to get the impression that, you know, I'm saying that, oh, you have to have a degree to do it or you have to have made it in journalism.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't have to do any of those things to be a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there's a line and a level of
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, um professional ethics that are very different than how most people like of your podcaster and your interviewing people and you're asking good questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're able to be critical of the things that you're discussing and not you're not just
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[SPEAKER_01]: um, you know, being one-sided.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think fairness is really the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it's not about hiding behind objectivity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just about being fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like are you being fair in your assessments and your conclusions and the questions that you're asking?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so yeah, if you're a podcaster, you can do that, but the practice of journalism is about asking critical questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: also be willing to say the thing that is the truth that nobody wants to actually say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, like, if you want to see it in the context of, you know, the piston is like, if you're interviewing Trasian Langdon, you know, the president of the pistons, like you have to ask him why they didn't make a move at the Trasian Langdon line to get more shooting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a critical question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what a journalist would ask.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some people who might sit down with him and throw him some softball questions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that doesn't mean you're always looking for a gotcha moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have to be able to, you know, sort of ask that uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, a lot of people aren't really equipped to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember people were sort of, where I guess, I don't know, controversy might be too strong or worse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't remember what interview it was that Noriega did on drink champs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I generally enjoyed drink champs, but I think somebody asked me if I consider Noriega a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, no, I don't consider Noriega a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Noriega is great interviews.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has great conversations that you learn a lot about people from those.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't even think he would call himself that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's not trying to be a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's just trying to have a conversation about it and kick it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's kind of what he's trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tell some stories, you know, you have some funny moments and like, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was when Norie, because when he had an interview with Kanye, and people were, some people were like disappointed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, well, Norie's not a journalist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, so if you expected him to like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: sort of walk through with Kanye, but like, okay, so when you say slavery was a choice, or when you say this, I mean, he did ask him about some of that in fairness, but the type of interview that needs to be executed with Kanye West is something a journalist can do, a journalist should do, because like there are people, if you're sitting down across from somebody and you're worried about the reaction and you're afraid to talk about certain things, that might not be the seat for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And speaking of journalism, I know that you accepted or created the journalist creed to comfort the afflicted and afflict the comforted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so speaking of which
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[SPEAKER_00]: How you have been on stranger in terms of rocking the boat, speaking your mind, standing up for what's right, what you feel is right in justices and so forth, and doing so at scale, fighting with people on three, it's Twitter, whatever the case may be, but nonetheless fighting the good fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you feel like that was always rooted in you to speak up when something is not right, whether it started at a young age or is it something that you feel like you,
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[SPEAKER_00]: found your voice in as you would create it this pathway throughout your career.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it was about sort of finding that because the other thing that you know, journalists do is you defend your work and you defend your work with the assumption it's a defensible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so it's like you have to defend nonsense or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that's part of it too is that if you're wrong about something, you have to be willing to say, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: But on the other side of it, especially if you're talking about something or saying something that's kind of unpopular, it has to be rooted in enough of a foundation that you can actually actively defend it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for me, I defend my position because I believe in it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's authentic and I feel like I have enough knowledge about that subject to where I can back up what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's an important component of the intellectual exercise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about, obviously, sharing work, but it's also about defending work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because when I write a column for the Atlantic, or if I share an opinion, be it on a program like yours, is that I'm
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking about not only what I'm going to say, but what the counter to what I'm going to say is, and how am I going to respond to that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why the people who don't really believe in what they say, their arguments are so easily dismantled, because they don't even really believe what they're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then their arguments are also hard to defend, because they don't really believe what they're saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, I never wanted to be caught in that position of saying things I didn't actually believe, because it's impossible to defend those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: come at people or defend my work, you will know by my defense that is coming from a real passionate place and a place of knowledge and not just I'm not just saying shit to say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a moment over the weekend where I felt like I was you for a brief moment because I was like my trip, my threads don't really get motion at least at this moment in time and I put out a simple thread, what I thought it was just one thought that went out to the universe and all I said was pay black people what they are worth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you what you would have thought of with you by how I've got a thing that was real controversial So many trolls and racist robots and I'm looking at like the pages and I'm like these people I don't think these people really exist, but you just kind of see like people just mobbing on and like y'all don't deserve nothing What you deserve EBT what you would?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, these thoughts just don't even have any merit to it, and clearly they don't know any black people, but that's a great point that you mentioned in terms of being able to, if you have an opinion, being able to stand on it, being able to back it up, but then also thinking about the counter argument as well and what does that look like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you know, even with saying that is that the people who stood up position that you say and paid, like people where they weren't like, what's the counter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't pay them what they weren't like, what is the counter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, did you not do that or, you know, and so that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: when you get people to sort of think about it that way, it just makes them look stupider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like, you're arguing against paying people what they're worth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's what I'm gathering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so sometimes I think it's necessary to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how your own critical thinking continues to blossom.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you being able to stand on it, defend it, credibly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All of that lends itself to you, you know, really sort of maturing in your opinions and what you present yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: love that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Jamal, I got to take a pause in the action because I'm going to introduce you now to my favorite part of Black Friday, which is Freestyle Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought you, uh, we had Chef Geech, oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: by far it is rapping like that was that was really that's probably that's definitely in the top five one chef geek is amazing and he's so creative and when he asked me to be a part of it I was really excited about doing it and then as we're into doing it I then realized how hard it was and just the breath control that it takes
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, remembering everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I never want to replicate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm wrapping along with something that would be it, but no, no, no, that is not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not my testimony.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not my gift.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of things I thought I did poorly, but little did I know wrapping would be the worst of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hate to go counter with the theory or the with the theme of this podcast is I will not be for selling it all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all good because I always got a contingency plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that contingency plan is just rapid-fired questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is what freestyle Friday is really it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
22:27
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
22:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do that.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I can do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
22:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that you are a proud Michigan State Spartan.
22:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I am a proud Michigan Wolverine.
22:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And so in exchange, if you can say one thing nice about the University of Michigan, I say one thing nice about Michigan State.
22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Really interesting question, especially on the day we recorded with a destiny made decides to leave to go coach get Dallas, which was a very interesting move, especially this point in the calendar.
23:01
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I will say is like, I think.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And a Michigan State fan would be line to themselves if they didn't acknowledge or consider that like the brand of Michigan itself is probably one of the top five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: most durable, biggest, most popular brand in all of sports.
23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like for sure, like the winged helmet, the brand of Michigan itself is like, yeah, I mean, I think it's probably one of the best brands in all of sports.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, I can say something nice about the world brand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, thank you.
23:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And in exchange, I will say that I probably, it's not so secret now, growing up, it's definitely secret, but I roof is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: do well and what I love about his program and what he runs is that he will take lower tier athletes quote unquote or not as looked at oversaw athletes and get them to perform at the highest level to play against the Duke's the Kentucky's the whoever and like really go out there and give everything that they got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I admire that about the Spartans and the program and your campuses is decent too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not mad at the at the campus what you know I can't
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, I wouldn't say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michigan, and see, this is what's so different is that see Michigan, the city was there, you know, and our birth is city isn't very nice city, right, but in East Lancet it's like the campus was there before the city, right?
24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like our campus is our campus, like we're not, it's not we didn't eat
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[SPEAKER_01]: and arbor like so it's sort of like you're cheating by saying that because you're really thinking about an arbor and not really the actual campus of Michigan because like yeah a whole river right there through our campus like you kidding our botany garden like what that's not even close and you you all have to admit that our school is the better part of school.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's, that goes without question.
25:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we've got the better parties to look for.
25:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, for sure.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: That goes without question.
25:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jim, can you tell me a the most random job or the first job that you remember having?
25:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that over the years you've had plenty of roles and opportunities, but coming up, do you remember like which her first job was or the most random job you ever did?
25:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll say the most random.
25:31
[SPEAKER_01]: That's probably a little more interesting.
25:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Most random job I ever had was I deliver phone books.
25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know that people are like, hey, what's the phone book?
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we did believe it or not, we actually used to put everybody's number in one book and you would get one once a year.
25:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We had a phone book and a yellow page.
25:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So I used to deliver phone books and yellow pages when I was in college because I was so broke.
25:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, in addition to working at my college
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: because I think those phone books and yellow pages were available usually to the end of the year because you were getting it for the next year.
26:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had a little four probe and you know these books are heavy.
26:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So I had to load up my car with all of these phone books and I would deliver them.
26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't remember how much I may per book.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it probably was like $5 a bucket if I delivered it.
26:21
[SPEAKER_01]: But it was the dead of winter and like getting out of the in and out of the car, get a winter snow everywhere and you have to put these books on everybody's portions.
26:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It was by far the worst job I've ever had.
26:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I know I was never meant for me.
26:35
[SPEAKER_01]: You only burned because this is not me, but I was also broke.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So it is, it is what it is.
26:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But I got a little extra Christmas and spring break money out of it.
26:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I was delivering a food, though, no, I mean, I probably would throw half of y'all food, but unfortunately, I was delivering phone books in the y'all pages.
26:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure, Andrew Mail being a proud detrator.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to know what's your Coney Order if you still even still eat Coney Island.
27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, not as much as I used to, but see, as you know, it's two types of counties, right?
27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if I'm just going straight up just for a county dog, I'm going to Lafayette, right?
27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, though I haven't been there since that whole rat thing happened, I'm not being in Lafayette.
27:19
[SPEAKER_01]: My favorite overall county is El George's on six mile.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, if I go to, you know, what was it?
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody, I haven't had it yet, but everybody has told me about, usually I'm getting a breakfast order, nine times out of 10.
27:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, pancakes, we have smiles.
27:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I love calling out in breakfasts.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The bacon, everywhere is just do the bacon.
27:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Just right, ooh, it's spectacular.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody said that I need to get on.
27:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like the chicken.
27:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Caesar's salad wrap.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: They said they're like that wrap is out cold.
27:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like next time I go home I'm gonna have to roll up and ill George doesn't get and get one of those, but that's my favorite cone ill George is on six mile
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, perfect answer because I classify that American Lafayette number one, people watching this not from Detroit don't go there.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: If you really want to call me out of the experience.
28:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, for starters, I wear, I wear, I wear, yeah, I mean, if we just wanted to hot dog itself, like you just want to do it.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'd classify those as Coney Island and El George is that's the Coney D. A. Coney D. Coney D. I'm trying to do what I put that.
28:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I approve.
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
28:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And who was the most famous person you would say in your phone?
28:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, who was the most famous person in my phone?
28:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, how do I do it?
28:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I don't know if this is the most famous, but I would say probably most, well, it's too that come to mind, uh, Will Smith and Share.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the two probably most famous people I could think of that are in my phone, you know, like share is so random that it's like, but yes, it was I meant or actually a somebody else, a mutual friend introduced me to share because shares like quite the activists, which I didn't know, and so not too long after I went through the whole stuff without a front, share wanted to reach out to me and talk to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, the mutual person that we knew that I didn't even know newer, like it was like, hey, share wants to know.
29:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if you call her and I was like, share, absolutely she can call me.
29:37
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, yeah.
29:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So, like, um, heard I would text her every now and again.
29:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in texting her in a while.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if the number is still the same.
29:44
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
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[SPEAKER_01]: share and then yeah we'll Smith I have his number so and the thing we'll we'll we'll always text you back now prior to prior to will and share or who would have been in that Pantheon of famous people would probably call be Brian so that was that was that was it probably be the three most famous that we're in my phone
30:05
[SPEAKER_00]: for sure.
30:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And because I had mentioned this to you at Bomisi in terms of your platform, I'm bothered that being a catalyst to me wanting to start Black Friday is I got to ask you this question of the old today's show.
30:19
[SPEAKER_00]: What's got you bothered right now?
30:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long list, man.
30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a long list of things.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, I could go easily for the big stuff and be like, oh, our political climate, the apathy, you know, those kinds of things.
30:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's obviously, um, you know, it's just petty.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
30:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a small thing.
30:42
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a small thing.
30:43
[SPEAKER_01]: As me, that has to be bothered.
30:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what, it's probably, I don't know what has happened with hotels, and that they just don't want to give you likes anymore.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, why are they so dark?
30:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like their lamps.
30:58
[SPEAKER_01]: They used to be like an overall hotel light that you would have.
31:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And it would light up the whole room now.
31:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You literally have to cut on like 72 lights in a hotel room just for it to be lit properly.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't understand why is this the case.
31:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can't we properly light hotels anymore?
31:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Like when do we stop doing that?
31:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So not a big fan of how hotel lighting is positioned.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's probably like the petty is a little bit of also.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I also don't understand overnight oats.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even get the purpose of this.
31:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, why do I want oatmeal that has been out overnight?
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't really get it.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just like, what is the point of overnight oats?
31:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you don't have to explain, because what is the reason?
31:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I said, someone I'm just, I'm struggling to understand the concept of overnight oats.
31:43
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's probably my two-pedious beefs right now.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in support.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I support.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though we didn't get no bars, we appreciate you for a part of the free stuff I've made.
31:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
31:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
31:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the bars.
32:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I did your viewers a favor by not doing that.
32:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you'll retain way more of your viewers as long as I don't rap.
32:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we all appreciate it.
32:15
[SPEAKER_00]: None of that, so thank you very much.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And going back into the interview, focus questions, I would love to be able to not talk to you about your progression and journey throughout the years, throughout media and how that has been able to shape you, given the fact that you have been a writer and then turning into a TV personality.
32:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I get a chance to see you on some of my favorite shows, Luke Cage.
32:39
[SPEAKER_00]: power and the wrong, but you know, we go.
32:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't touch that.
32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't lead that.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: No, the rigged is the grow because he hasn't reprived.
32:48
[SPEAKER_01]: He's supposed to be his little manager or whatever.
32:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Why he hasn't reprived.
32:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Two things will be true, but
32:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So we love to understand someone who was, you know, more than welcome to being behind the pin at one point in time and growing into someone who is now in the midst of developing their own media empire so to speak and your legacy and that, what does that progression been like for you?
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been amazing because it wasn't something that I planned.
33:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if you were to tell me 10 years ago, I'd been able to be in, you know, popular TV shows playing myself.
33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I would've never, never, never really wasn't on a bingo card.
33:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And really a lot of that is just rooted in fun.
33:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, um,
33:31
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, I struck up a good friendship with Courtney Camp, who is the creator of the power universe.
33:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a result, you know, she had a role for a writer or a journalist or, you know, a broadcast person, so she thought I'd be good to play it.
33:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Deer, a character, a character who does DR from Detroit.
33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
33:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, DR is like, uh, then she's a genius.
33:55
[SPEAKER_01]: She was actually one of the first people when I moved to LA in 2018.
33:58
[SPEAKER_01]: DR was like one of the first people I actually met in LA because we had a beautiful friend and she's like, oh, you should be my home girl.
34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: She's from Detroit too.
34:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Met instantly liked her and she was then working on the show.
34:10
[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, I'm working on the show.
34:12
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, still kind of figuring it out, whatever.
34:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And fast forward to when she finally created, uh, you know, DR from Detroit.
34:19
[SPEAKER_01]: she hit me up and asked if I want to do a cameo and I was like heck yeah and a show about Detroit that's like so many references to things that culturally grew up with and she's just a really phenomenally creative person so I'm in next season too so I'm very excited about that but all of those were just the extension of the other work that I was doing and I guess if you
34:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I never purposely saw it any acting opportunities.
34:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I just happened to know some people and it just kind of worked out that way.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, beyond that, at this iteration of my career, once I left ESPN and kind of became more of an independent journalist, that was a really interesting challenge for me at this stage in my career.
35:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, a lot of journalists don't really want to be entrepreneurs, but I was sort of forced into entrepreneurship, if you will.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: just realizing that I myself was the business, and so, and there was a lot of different things I wanted to do that still all rooted back in some ways always connected to storytelling.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I started writing for documentaries, as I mentioned, I write, I'm a contributing writer for the Atlantic, you know, wrote my book, also just finished a children's book that will be out next year.
35:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, the foundation of the things that I do like never changed,
35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't like I sat now and it was like, okay, for the next 10 years I'm going to do this, a lot of this has just been on the fly.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And
35:48
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've still been able to not just write, but also continue to have a foot in broadcast journalism.
35:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm in New York right now because I'm working for CNN.
35:58
[SPEAKER_01]: The next couple of days do a happy Philip show.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, still being able to do that and doing other media platforms is always an important component to kind of like, my larger media kind of environment that I've created.
36:11
[SPEAKER_01]: But,
36:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you're out here in this immediate environment, like you have to be a bit of a utility knife and be able to do a lot of things, a lot of different things.
36:22
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they may all lead back to the main thing, but yeah, I think it's a huge benefit.
36:26
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that I know how to host, I know to interview, I can also write, like these are all very important skills that have allowed me to put my hand in a lot of different pots.
36:38
[SPEAKER_01]: And so now I feel like this is the most versatile
36:43
[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just sort of tapping into that.
36:45
[SPEAKER_01]: One day, I definitely want to write a screenplay.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And do some more writing and behind the scene where, because I definitely want to direct a documentary.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: There are some documentaries I have in mind that I would like to direct.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, all of it is under the general and brelo of storytelling.
37:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like that is my strong suit.
37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, I know how to tell a story.
37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And that can take on many different forms.
37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And the exciting part is getting to explore what those different forms look like.
37:13
[SPEAKER_00]: love it and as you continue to journey what do you what do you have on horizon what do you see your crystal ball that you will be able to share with us so that we can number one see it come back to you in the universe and then also be able to support you along the way.
37:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as I mentioned, the children's book I have is coming out next January, so I'm excited about that.
37:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never ridden for children before, and it is different, you know, it's different in a good way because when you write for kids, you have to actually be optimistic, like you have to like, give them hope and plan to see it and inspire them, and that's like very different.
37:45
[SPEAKER_01]: What's right?
37:48
[SPEAKER_01]: So doing that, I also have a weekly newsletter that's available on the BHA platform that I launched on June 1st.
37:55
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, continuing to build and strengthen my YouTube page, a politics, my own podcast is on my YouTube page.
38:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I do that three times a week.
38:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's been really good and fruitful.
38:08
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a, um, also another podcast with Kira Champion, my former ESPN colleague, Alfredo Funny, that's available YouTube, and also I heart, you know, Apple podcast, wherever you get your podcast at.
38:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And in terms of like on the horizon, I really, I am going to direct a documentary.
38:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like this is going to happen within five years.
38:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm already in the pitch process with a certain documentary that I want to do that is actually Detroit related.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're about to go into pitch mode with it.
38:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm just really hoping that it gets picked up, that we get a buyer.
38:49
[SPEAKER_01]: because I would love to do this and I think it would be such a love letter for me to Detroit that And I think it'd be it'd be amazing and it completely ties into the energy of the moment of where the city is right now So I really do want to manifest that in the happening in the next five years
39:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Love it did just let me know if you got to play it.
39:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I just with a documentary somewhere in touch.
39:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not Okay, I can tell you not play it.
39:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that all right.
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we do need one.
39:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We do need one I agree but I agree we do need one, but did that that is like on so we can do we
39:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was like, I could definitely see that or I could see it as a doc you see or not a doc you see is but like as a series Thank you general.
39:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I could see it as a series and I was just funny I was just talking to somebody because I heard I Know who people are gonna think it is, but that's not what I'm talking about, but I have heard through the great fine
39:39
[SPEAKER_01]: that people are shopping a series, uh, a dramatic series about one of our former mayors.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: That I'll let you ever.
39:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you.
39:51
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll let you all guess which one it is, but I've been told that by a number of insiders that that that series, excuse me, is being shot.
39:58
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's uh, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
39:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:02
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, it was a movie in real time itself.
40:12
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that that
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I was thinking I'm following you.
40:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, somebody I did.
40:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he let's just say he had extensive time as mayor.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'm hip now.
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like that, so you get it.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jamil, if we land a plane here, working to people tapping with you, if they are not already, one of your millions of followers, how can they find you, how can they touch base with you, how can they get a book, work, work on the fund?
40:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the books are still available wherever books are sold.
40:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I always encourage people to buy the book from a black book store, because black this book stores, I think, have a special.
40:54
[SPEAKER_01]: community fixture, you know, for Black folks.
40:58
[SPEAKER_01]: So, and why am I struggling to think of what the Black book story is in Detroit, because I've certainly been there before, but I'm struggling to think of it now.
41:06
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes.
41:09
[SPEAKER_01]: So, anyway, book is still available.
41:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, I would say, you know, the beauty of having sort of a distinct name, it's the same name everywhere, it's Jamal.
41:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He'll everywhere on all social media platforms.
41:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like certainly like subscribe to all the things for my YouTube page sign up for my newsletter The latest issue of the newsletter.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm writing about the nicks and What are not they'll actually make the trip to the White House and now that James Dullin there their owner has accepted rotation in what that might look like for them As well as some other things so it's a pretty robust newsletter that I think people will enjoy
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: very dope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so everybody listen to make sure it's all tap in with the mail and continue to story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will leave you with this to show you continue my appreciation for you joining the podcast today and being the woman of your word.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And back in 2013, January 2nd of 2013, we're connected on LinkedIn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how when it happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Connected on LinkedIn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I sent you a message, I said, hello, Miss Hill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My name is Deso Turner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a senior at the University of Michigan graduating in the May Study and Communication Studies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm interested in working in sports field and marketing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would like to potentially link up with you to pick your brain about the field and ask about your journey to where you are today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope to hear from you soon, take care, best of luck.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not link up only 13 years, but it has got you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And up there's so bad because like leaked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like started to profile did all the things and like literally didn't check it for like 7 years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was so bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, why did I sign up for this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I try to every now and again, I'll go back on there and be like, okay, I'm here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm sort of not here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, just figuring out a way to more incorporated in my larger social media ecosystem.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad this is much better, like this is much better than the virus modding on the internet for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, very grateful for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Join us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for being an advocate for our people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for always pushing the envelope when it comes to your work and journalism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need more people like you to be able to continue to not only represent the city of Detroit, but represent people that looked like us in the backgrounds we come from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So grateful for you pulling up on us today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you having me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody watching listening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are tapping with our song.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.