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What REALLY Happened in Aruba! CrimeCon 2022 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Crime Con twenty twenty two, Vegas.
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Speaker 1: For those of you that couldn't be with us, we
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Speaker 1: chose a topic near and dear to our hearts, a
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Speaker 1: topic that to this very day is a warning from
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Speaker 1: parents all over the country. Natalie Holloway goes missing on
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Speaker 1: a school trip. I me, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: and series X one eleven. Right now, let's go straight
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Speaker 1: to Crime Con and our all star panel on what
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Speaker 1: really happened on our investigation in Aruba and what an
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Speaker 1: awesome panel of guests we have today. Wait. Now, you
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Speaker 1: are Cheryl McCollum with me, Founder and Director the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. We go all the way back to
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Speaker 1: when I was a prosecutor and miss thing showed up,
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Speaker 1: she claims, at three am on a crime scene. I
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Speaker 1: don't know about that. You know. The beautiful and brilliant
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall who was with me, wasn't our first
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Speaker 1: hl IN program where we had a young girl, Stacy,
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Speaker 1: who was behind bars for murder and as we uncovered
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Speaker 1: her stepfather or father had been molesting her. I remember,
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Speaker 1: Didny call is seeming tiger juice or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, and sticks with you. You just never
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Speaker 1: get that out of your head. And she ultimately was released.
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Speaker 1: By the way, and of course, right here Kelly Skihn,
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Speaker 1: who was my executive producer on Fox Station, and I'm
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Speaker 1: so grateful to have Kelly and to have Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: And here on the end, who knows who this lady
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Speaker 1: is as Susan Constantine. Guys, you probably only see her
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Speaker 1: on television. Don't move, I mean it, because this woman
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Speaker 1: analyzes nonverbal cues, So don't move, okay when I'm on
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Speaker 1: with her and they put us in the two bicyc
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Speaker 1: She's brilliant and has done so many high profile cases.
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Speaker 1: Now wait, you have a book, right The Complete Idiot's
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Speaker 1: Guide to Reading Body Language. Brilliant, and she's online. I'm
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Speaker 1: so happy y'all are here, and thank you for being
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Speaker 1: at Crime Con and joy asked, and remember, come up
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Speaker 1: with questions, please, no difficult legal questions. Don't do that
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Speaker 1: to me, okay, because we're coming to you for questions
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Speaker 1: during this Okay. What we're talking about today is something
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Speaker 1: that several of us lived through. We were doing a
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Speaker 1: special for Fox Nation on Spring Break dangers for spring Breakers,
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Speaker 1: Dangers for spring Breakers, because over and over and over
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Speaker 1: every year, this one was killed, this one was raped,
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Speaker 1: this one went missing. And I'm thinking, there's gotta be
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Speaker 1: a way for us to at least curtail what happens
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Speaker 1: to spring Breakers and what class trip sticks out in
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Speaker 1: my memory. American Beauty Straight A student Natalie Holloway, so Beth,
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Speaker 1: her bestie Ginger, a makeup person, media Cheryl, myself and
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Speaker 1: Kelly and a crew go to Aruba to retrace the
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Speaker 1: steps and see what we can find out. And I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I found out a lot. I don't
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Speaker 1: want to be harsh, but you know, you pull up
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Speaker 1: to Aruba and you get off that cruise ship and
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Speaker 1: everything looks beautiful. Right right behind that first thing, you
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Speaker 1: see our crack houses, houses, a prostitution where people sit
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Speaker 1: out and shoot drugs, very high crime. And we walked,
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Speaker 1: didn't we, Kelly, didn't we Charyl walked from one tip
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Speaker 1: of the island to the next. And I'm like, it's
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Speaker 1: not that big. Why couldn't they find Natalie? And the
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Speaker 1: things we learn? But I'm gonna let them kick it off,
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Speaker 1: because you guys, hear me all the time, and remember,
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Speaker 1: get your questions ready. Just raise your hand in the middle.
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Speaker 1: I'll come out to you first of all, Cheryl, let's
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Speaker 1: hear your story. Nancy. I think you know, and I
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Speaker 1: think this audience knows. I would follow Nancy Grace anywhere,
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Speaker 1: no question about Yes, tiny she has been my prosecutor
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Speaker 1: back in the day. And we did meet on an
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Speaker 1: active crime scene. That's where we met. It was two
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Speaker 1: forty five in the morning and this little sports car
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Speaker 1: comes flying up to a screech in the hall. This
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Speaker 1: little bitty woman pops out, what do y'all got? What
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Speaker 1: do you need? What do we have? And I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what is that? And Jim Birds from the g v
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Speaker 1: I says, that's Nancy Grace. You don't know Nancy. And
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I know two things in this moment. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna nowhere and we're gonna be friends. So back in
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Speaker 1: the day, we did. We worked in the trenches. So
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Speaker 1: when she called me and said, will you go to
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Speaker 1: Aruba with me and let's do some you know, security
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Speaker 1: points for parents that are sending kids to Aruba or
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Speaker 1: anywhere on spring break, I didn't hesitate, but y'all, I
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Speaker 1: wasn't not ready. She did hesitate. That is total be
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Speaker 1: as she I am a passport, I'm like, we'll get
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Speaker 1: one now, Jackie. Jackie is an EP on Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Did that happen? Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a story,
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Speaker 1: I think, if I remember correctly, Cheryl needed to get
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Speaker 1: a passport within twenty four hours and flew down to
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Speaker 1: Houston to be able to go to Aruba. But I
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Speaker 1: will say this was an incredibly surreal trip. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure how many people here watched the Fox Nation documentary,
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Speaker 1: but as Nancy said, we went down there to film
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Speaker 1: a warning piece for spring Breakers, and I don't think
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Speaker 1: we were expecting what we found down there at all.
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Speaker 1: That whole thing about saying yes I left immediately, we
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Speaker 1: had to jump through hoops to get that one a passport. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: that's said. Then there was the whole COVID thing. The
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Speaker 1: whole COVID thing. We had to be tested and retested
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Speaker 1: and tested within twelve hours and get to the said, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: get in line, it's time for your COVID test. Bend
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Speaker 1: over and I said, Nancy, you got it. I tell you.
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Speaker 1: Whatever she tells me to do, we're doing. But here's
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Speaker 1: the thing that I think shocked me the most. I
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Speaker 1: was prepared for the beautiful water and the flowers, and
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Speaker 1: the touristy type buildings and things to do. I was
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Speaker 1: not prepared for the poverty and the desert and the cactus.
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Speaker 1: I was really shocked at just how desolate parts of
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Speaker 1: it were. Okay, I want to I don't remind you
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Speaker 1: all something. Do you remember? Do you remember in Naalie
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Speaker 1: Holloway one point of interest where her body might have
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Speaker 1: been was the lighthouse at the end of the island.
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Speaker 1: Speaking about poverty. Now, I know there are things worse
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Speaker 1: than this, but this sticks in my mind and I
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Speaker 1: can't get wait for it, this one little dog out
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Speaker 1: of my mind. Okay, because we went to the end
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Speaker 1: of the island to look at the lighthouse to see
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Speaker 1: it's that even possible. And there was a pike of dog,
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Speaker 1: a lot of dogs there that were starving. Now, in America,
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Speaker 1: if there were dogs, for instance, a national monument that
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Speaker 1: were starving, you know, everybody would be trying to save
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Speaker 1: them and rescue the dogs. They were out there, their
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Speaker 1: ribs were showing. One of them had a hurt leg
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Speaker 1: and he was trying to run along with the others
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Speaker 1: and I got out of the car and I said,
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Speaker 1: do we have anything to give them to eat? Because
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Speaker 1: all their ribs were painfully sticking out. And I thought,
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Speaker 1: what kind of place is this? That this is where
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Speaker 1: people go tourists and that's happening just and I still
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Speaker 1: think about it because when I got out, it was
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Speaker 1: so wind swept and desolate. Remember Kelly, I tried to
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Speaker 1: do a stand up saying, here we are at the
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Speaker 1: lighthouse where some people thought Natalie's body was. The wind
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Speaker 1: was so fierce we couldn't even stand up and talk. No,
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Speaker 1: I would say, it was so windy we couldn't We
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Speaker 1: couldn't film a lot of stuff. But the Aruba you
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Speaker 1: see in the tourist videos is definitely a trap. That
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Speaker 1: is not the Aruba that we experienced at all. We
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Speaker 1: had received a very less than warm welcome. Who wants
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Speaker 1: to tell about what Beth told us? She flies down immediately,
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Speaker 1: she bought didn't she get somebody to give her a
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Speaker 1: let her borrow a jet or something. She was out
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Speaker 1: of her mind, and she knew somebody that knew somebody
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Speaker 1: that knew somebody that they gave her a ride down there.
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Speaker 1: She could not get police to listen to her. Remember
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Speaker 1: that story she told about waiting. They went go wait
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Speaker 1: and she waited for like seven hours in the police station.
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Speaker 1: Oh you tell it, y'all. She was so desperate for information.
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Speaker 1: She could not get anyone to respond to her. She
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Speaker 1: sat alone in a police department not speak in the language.
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Speaker 1: They all spoke English. That's one of the four languages
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Speaker 1: they know. They would not speak to her, and she
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Speaker 1: was waiting just she was gutted because she knew when
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Speaker 1: Natalie did not get on that plane, that something horrible
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Speaker 1: had happened to her. And when she wanted help, the
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Speaker 1: guy said he want he needed to finish his frosted.
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Speaker 1: He came out of his office. He had been in
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Speaker 1: his office this whole time, while she's sitting there for
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Speaker 1: like five hours. And she said he came out and
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Speaker 1: he was like rubbing his shobu and he went in.
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Speaker 1: I had to go to the barbershop. And I was back.
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Speaker 1: I was just eating lunch, and I'm like, my daughter
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Speaker 1: is missing in your eating wings, hiding in your office
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Speaker 1: from me. I mean, I would have ripped his throat
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Speaker 1: out with my teeth right there. Time story with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace keeping that mother sitting there like that. I mean,
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Speaker 1: do any of you have children? You know I have
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Speaker 1: the twins, And I said, David, my husband, I love you,
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Speaker 1: but nothing can compare to the twins. When you have children,
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Speaker 1: all bets are off. And he sat there and ate
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Speaker 1: his wings while she was waiting to find out about
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Speaker 1: her daughter. And they still didn't help. Right, No, I
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Speaker 1: believe it was frosted flakes too. It was. He was
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Speaker 1: rubbing his fat belly and said he had to finish
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Speaker 1: his frosted flakes before he could quote deal with her.
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Speaker 1: She's in the worst deal with her of her entire life. Now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, we happen to have two brilliant ladies that
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Speaker 1: are going to weigh in on that. Yet at bethany Well,
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this story this morning. I go
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Speaker 1: back with Nancy Grace to h l N Days where
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Speaker 1: she had the Nancy Grace Show, and I remember covering
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Speaker 1: the story from the Very Big And you have Beth
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Speaker 1: who sends her beloved daughter on her graduation trip. And
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Speaker 1: imagine the hopes and dreams when you send your girl
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Speaker 1: away on a graduation trip and you entrust the people
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Speaker 1: that are taking were there, you intrust the place she's
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Speaker 1: going so many pep. Do you know the twins are
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Speaker 1: going on a class trip on Monday, right? I know
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Speaker 1: this one is going to follow them because I happened
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Speaker 1: to remember when the twins were born, she was spying
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Speaker 1: on her own nanny. Didn't you go around the side
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Speaker 1: of the house. I made no secret that I spied
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Speaker 1: on every babysitner and nanny, and they knew it. I
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Speaker 1: brought my foot spying one time. That's right, I was
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Speaker 1: just going to drust my foot. She left the house,
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Speaker 1: went around the side, looked in the window to make
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Speaker 1: sure nothing bad was happening with the nanny. I think
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Speaker 1: you were standing on something that fell off broke her foot,
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Speaker 1: but not exactly like that, but generally speaking, that's what happened.
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Speaker 1: So here's the mom and this guy's by their having
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Speaker 1: his frosted flights. But what I think, what I remember
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Speaker 1: the most about this story is a whole community conspiring
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Speaker 1: to pray on young women. I think that's what's underlying
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Speaker 1: the laxadaisical attitude of the constable is that Joran Vanderslou's
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Speaker 1: father was a judge there, and everybody knew that Joran.
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Speaker 1: That help whole brothers, DJ Diablo, All these young men
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Speaker 1: and men were just waiting for these young women to
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Speaker 1: come in go to what Charlie Harlos and Charlolos and Charlie's.
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Speaker 1: It was their first time. Hey guys, what is that
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Speaker 1: funny sound? I hear it? Anyway, Okay, sorry, these young
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Speaker 1: women would go to Carlos and Charlie's. It was their
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Speaker 1: first time experimenting being away from their parents. Right, So
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Speaker 1: maybe their brains weren't fully developed, maybe they were a
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Speaker 1: little disinhibited, maybe they never had alcohol before. And these
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Speaker 1: young men, like a pack of dogs, were waiting for them.
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Speaker 1: And you can't tell me that the whole community didn't
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Speaker 1: know this. You can't tell me that this wasn't the
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Speaker 1: culture of a Ruba, just like what you what you
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Speaker 1: found when you visited there for this special And that's
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Speaker 1: why I think Beth had such problems investigating this on
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Speaker 1: our own, and problems that you had is that this
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Speaker 1: whole community is in on it. They're colluding, they're conspiring.
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Speaker 1: They know they want the tourists. They don't want those
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Speaker 1: cruise ships to stop, they don't want the class trips
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Speaker 1: to stop. Susan Constantine is a world renowned nonverbal specialist.
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Speaker 1: You also look at what people say too and the
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Speaker 1: way they say it. But I want to get your
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Speaker 1: take on this chief of police coming out and saying
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Speaker 1: I had my food before I could deal with you. Well,
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Speaker 1: someone that liked that is detached, right. They don't realize
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Speaker 1: the severity of the situation, and they didn't rank it
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Speaker 1: up as being a high profile case at this point.
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Speaker 1: It was just a bothersome. This is another kid that
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Speaker 1: probably got drunk on a trip and they didn't really care.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what this case was all about. This
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Speaker 1: wasn't about predatorial people that are out there looking at children,
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Speaker 1: vulnerable young girls, especially blonde haired, blue eyed girls. And
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Speaker 1: that was a predator that was out there seeking to
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Speaker 1: whom he was going to find and take back. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: that police officer total disregard and he thought he could
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Speaker 1: get away with it, and he did get away with it,
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Speaker 1: coming out and going oh yeah, I had to eat
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Speaker 1: before I deal with you. Really, And what we learned, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: remember was that this was what jrn Vandersliet would do.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know this that he did this week after
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Speaker 1: week after week, when new groups would come in, he
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Speaker 1: would find young ladies, didn't matter. Caller race age somebody
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Speaker 1: for him to pray on, but it had to be
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Speaker 1: a woman. And I found out that night that his father,
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Speaker 1: the judge Paulas Vanderslut, was at the casino at the
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Speaker 1: table with Yourn Vanderslout and Natalie, and it's in the video.
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Speaker 1: But when asked he went, I don't know anything about it.
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Speaker 1: He was just there with her. But wait, what about
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Speaker 1: that little moment when we all were threatened with arrest?
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Speaker 1: Cheryl at times? Okay, I had a severely twisted ankle
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Speaker 1: at the time. Oh blah blah. I could hardly move,
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Speaker 1: and she was fine. Because I'm taking pictures. You go
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Speaker 1: in front Nancy. My ankle's hurting of the holiday Inn. Well,
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Speaker 1: I notice Kelly and Nancy. All of a sudden, this
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Speaker 1: security guard starts harassing them a little bit. Well, I'm
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Speaker 1: over to the side, and I'm like, what in the
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Speaker 1: world The security guard will not let them in the
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Speaker 1: holiday Inn. So Beth and Nancy and Kelly are standing
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Speaker 1: there again, I'm in the front yard taking a picture
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Speaker 1: from it. Just hurt and cross. So I decide, all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, a police car drives up three d well,
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Speaker 1: I'm in law enforcement. I know what that means. So
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Speaker 1: I start walking back toward the car, Thanks, Cheryl, because
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Speaker 1: I know I'm the slowest one, so if there's something
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Speaker 1: about to go down, they can catch me. I think
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Speaker 1: I heard her say I don't know them. And Nancy
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Speaker 1: is pleading their case. Why it's not pleading anything? Why
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Speaker 1: can we not go into the holiday inn? And they
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Speaker 1: said we won't allow anybody in that's not a guest here.
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Speaker 1: And Nancy said, I got a credit card, will rent
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Speaker 1: a room right now. They still wouldn't let her in.
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Speaker 1: So I start walking back toward the cars because I'm like,
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Speaker 1: I'm out of here, y'all. And all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and them start walking back toward the cars. They
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Speaker 1: passed me. Nancy doesn't even miss a clip going past me,
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Speaker 1: and then the police are now behind me, and I
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Speaker 1: hear them say stop stop right now, ma'am. Well I stop, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: don't stop, y'all. And I thought, Lord, I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: to jail and a ruba alone. Well they started, I
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Speaker 1: gonna do what they told me, did you? Well? I
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Speaker 1: took a picture, a selfie of me and two of
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Speaker 1: the polices Nancy Grace getting arrested. That's what she was
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Speaker 1: trying to get a picture. It was. Then he says, ma'am,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna go to jail if you take a picture
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Speaker 1: of me. And I was like, do tell well about
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Speaker 1: that time they're hollered Nancy and them Nancy in bed
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Speaker 1: still won't stop. All of a sudden, I'm thinking, okay,
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Speaker 1: I may go to jail alone. Nancy stops, y'all, She
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Speaker 1: turns on her heels, she comes walking straight back to
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Speaker 1: that policeman. And then I thought, oh lord, I know
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Speaker 1: I'm going to jail now. And I thought, I love
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Speaker 1: this woman, and I will be her, you know what,
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Speaker 1: in Georgia. But I ain't gonna be here, you know what,
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Speaker 1: in prison in a Ruba. We're gonna have to work
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Speaker 1: something out. I mean, I love her, but you know
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Speaker 1: that's too much because I did find out there's no
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Speaker 1: air conditioning in the jails in a Ruba, and that's
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Speaker 1: just too much. Nacy Gray spots right back to that
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Speaker 1: man and she says, are you telling me that we
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Speaker 1: cannot film on the public grassway here? We're not on
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Speaker 1: their property, and they would if she were. You were
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Speaker 1: filming on that property, and that's when Kelly jumped in.
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Speaker 1: Kelly's recording the whole time. My mic is hot the
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Speaker 1: whole time. Yeah, Kelly was in the background. Hey, this
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Speaker 1: will be great. Arrest her. No no, no, no no,
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Speaker 1: but do it slowly so I can get a good picture. No. So,
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Speaker 1: they were falsely accusing us of filming. And there's a
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Speaker 1: reason that only I the journalists always talk about false accusations.
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Speaker 1: It was all false. So I whipped out my phone
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Speaker 1: and started recording it because it was just unbelievable that
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Speaker 1: we were being falsely accused of filming when we had
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Speaker 1: no crew in sight. There's a reason it's not on video,
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Speaker 1: and we were doing absolutely nothing illegal. But I do
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Speaker 1: want to add something to the Carlos and Charlie's point
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Speaker 1: for a second, because Natalie's dad found out that you
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Speaker 1: could pay a bartender there twenty dollars to spike someone's strength,
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Speaker 1: and that is what you're on vander Salute did over
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Speaker 1: and over and over again. And what we learned when
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Speaker 1: we were down there is that that is still happening
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Speaker 1: to this day, not only to tourists but to local rubens,
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Speaker 1: and absolutely nothing has been done to stop that. And
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Speaker 1: that is why they did not want us right where
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Speaker 1: we were. We were at the Holiday Anne and beside
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Speaker 1: it was the casino at that time, and that's where
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Speaker 1: spiking was going on, also at Carlos and Charlie's, and
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Speaker 1: it's still opening today. So the last thing they want
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Speaker 1: is Kelly, myself Cheryl busting up in there and messing
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Speaker 1: up their deal. They don't want the truth coming out.
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Speaker 1: And let me tell y'all something. I have seen Nancy
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Speaker 1: in a courtroom, and y'all, there ain't nobody better. She
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Speaker 1: will advocate for you, she will fight for you. But
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Speaker 1: let me tell you something right now, quick, in a hurry.
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Speaker 1: You ain't seeing nothing till you've seen that woman on
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Speaker 1: Foreign Soul advocating for Bev Holloway. She was flat ready
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Speaker 1: to go to jail. It was awesome. I think the
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Speaker 1: only reason that we were not booked is because that
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Speaker 1: would have been even a worse pr nightmare for them,
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Speaker 1: with me screaming to the top of my lungs, things
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Speaker 1: like you killed Natalie, stuff like that. And but wait,
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Speaker 1: did they offer for you a cocktail? But I gotta
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Speaker 1: tell you something, Aruba is nothing like what I thought
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Speaker 1: it would be. And in that moment when they were
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Speaker 1: threatening to arrest us, I didn't even think about the
22:16
Speaker 1: jail or the air condition. All I was thinking about
22:20
Speaker 1: was you are the same cops that let Natalie holloway
22:26
Speaker 1: body be hidden forever because you did nothing when you
22:32
Speaker 1: could have helped her mother. You did nothing, and you're
22:36
Speaker 1: doing it again. Instead of helping us find the truth,
22:39
Speaker 1: you're correcting to put us in jail. And that's all
22:42
Speaker 1: I could think when I looked at them when they
22:44
Speaker 1: were huge, Remember them, they looked like they spent half
22:48
Speaker 1: a day at work and half a day in the gym.
22:50
Speaker 1: I think they were pumped up on steroids. They had
22:52
Speaker 1: to be. They were so big and ripped in their
22:54
Speaker 1: black slot outfits, so predictable. And there were we, and
22:59
Speaker 1: we also had a local with us from Aruba. Her
23:02
Speaker 1: mom worked at the Holiday Inn, and they threatened her.
23:05
Speaker 1: They said, you will be the first one to go
23:08
Speaker 1: down for this group when we were doing nothing wrong,
23:11
Speaker 1: and she relies on them giving her permission to film
23:13
Speaker 1: for her own company. So they were threatening the local
23:16
Speaker 1: who was helping Nancy Grace. And even before we got
23:19
Speaker 1: down there, Beth said, Kelly, we have seven to twelve
23:22
Speaker 1: minutes at every single location before the police arrived. So
23:25
Speaker 1: they are all over her, but they were not all
23:27
Speaker 1: over solving Natalie's give you that point on. We would
23:30
Speaker 1: walk up to a restaurant or a bar where we
23:34
Speaker 1: thought Natalie had been. They would come to the door
23:38
Speaker 1: and lock it. I could see him doing it through
23:40
Speaker 1: the glass and put closed. I'm like, what, We're going
23:45
Speaker 1: to come in there and shoot the place up. It
23:47
Speaker 1: was insane time stories with Nancy Grace. I'm not hearing
24:11
Speaker 1: from beth Any Marsha, which is really odd, and Susy
24:14
Speaker 1: Constita a very odd. I have a thought bubble forming
24:17
Speaker 1: above my head. Where are the women in this community?
24:21
Speaker 1: All these men are predators, And if they're not directly
24:24
Speaker 1: a predator themselves, they're aiding and abetting a predator. They're
24:28
Speaker 1: overlooking predatory behaviors. It's like a culture of predation. Just
24:33
Speaker 1: like you have child molesters forming communities online where they
24:38
Speaker 1: all share pictures and they all know where to find
24:41
Speaker 1: children and where one will kidnap a child, then they'll
24:44
Speaker 1: send a picture to another one. You have a same
24:46
Speaker 1: sort of community on the island of Aruba, where they're
24:50
Speaker 1: all conspiring together in some way, either actively participating or overlooking.
24:56
Speaker 1: So the question is where are the women where Jordan
25:01
Speaker 1: Vandress Flute's mother, the constable's mother, waitress home and the
25:08
Speaker 1: mother still lives right there and they've got fancies around it.
25:13
Speaker 1: And remember we went to Fine. Okay, yep, what about it, Susan,
25:18
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I didn't hear the question. It wasn't a question.
25:20
Speaker 1: Just wanted to hear your thoughts. Well. One of the
25:23
Speaker 1: things that I wanted to kind of hitch hike off
25:24
Speaker 1: from was what you were talking about, the predatorial type
25:27
Speaker 1: of people. The one thing I want you to all
25:29
Speaker 1: be aware of is that they already know what they're
25:32
Speaker 1: looking for when they walk in the door, and so
25:35
Speaker 1: they placed themselves as a spotter, so they spot around,
25:39
Speaker 1: they go back several times. The fact that that you
25:42
Speaker 1: see them over and over again should give you a clue.
25:44
Speaker 1: And also they have a very fixated response. They look
25:48
Speaker 1: at someone and they're very fixated. It's like a dog
25:52
Speaker 1: that's looking at someone ready to go for a prey
25:55
Speaker 1: because they're thinking and contemplating at what they're doing. So
25:58
Speaker 1: you need to watch al for that nonverbal behavior because
26:02
Speaker 1: predatorial nature is prevalent there's nowhere that it's safe. It
26:08
Speaker 1: could be your brother, I mean a brother's friend. It
26:10
Speaker 1: could be a doctor, it could be a coach, it
26:13
Speaker 1: could be a priest, it could be anybody. They're out
26:16
Speaker 1: there and they're looking for vulnerable women. I mean, you know,
26:19
Speaker 1: I would think a judge would go along with his
26:21
Speaker 1: son's activity. You say something, well, you know when this
26:24
Speaker 1: story first broke and I remember being on so many
26:27
Speaker 1: shows with you, Nancy, there was an article in the
26:29
Speaker 1: New York Times called can a nine year old b
26:31
Speaker 1: a sociopath? And that's when the we as a community
26:35
Speaker 1: first began to think about how young sociopathy develops, and
26:39
Speaker 1: we think of Joran Vanderslout was really the poster child
26:42
Speaker 1: for sociopathy, aggressive predatory, lack of a conscience. I mean,
26:48
Speaker 1: his whole life was organized around praying on young women.
26:54
Speaker 1: And we know with organized crime, usually it takes only
26:57
Speaker 1: one sociopath to recruit who similarly have a lack of Conscio.
27:02
Speaker 1: When you're making me think of and I said it,
27:06
Speaker 1: and I taken Joey and having been right that one time,
27:09
Speaker 1: I said, he's going to do this again now, and
27:11
Speaker 1: then current me if I'm wrong guys five years to
27:15
Speaker 1: the day, the day Stephanie Flores, Stephanie Tassiana Flores. He
27:21
Speaker 1: met her in a casino, talked her up. They went
27:26
Speaker 1: back to his room and she opened up her iPad
27:30
Speaker 1: or her phone and was googling him, and she asked
27:34
Speaker 1: him about Natalie Holloway. He bludgeoned her dead. Then he
27:38
Speaker 1: went out and got a croissant and coffee, came back
27:42
Speaker 1: in with her dead body right there, and ate breakfast.
27:46
Speaker 1: You know, there was blood all over that hotel room.
27:50
Speaker 1: He didn't just kill her. He belugend her out and
27:54
Speaker 1: outrage that she knew who he was, that she was
27:58
Speaker 1: going to id him, And probably not so much that
28:01
Speaker 1: he was afraid of exposure getting caught, but that he
28:05
Speaker 1: didn't want to be prevented from going right back out
28:07
Speaker 1: into the casino and praying on your thing. Thing. Now
28:11
Speaker 1: wait a minute, where were all those hands we were
28:14
Speaker 1: talking about with questions. I'll take anything, of course, I'll
28:17
Speaker 1: throw it to them, but we don't stand up see
28:22
Speaker 1: that camera. Don't you want to be a Fox nation?
28:24
Speaker 1: Because I do? Okay, So how does this continue when
28:29
Speaker 1: we know what's happening and we just is there anything
28:33
Speaker 1: we can do you know what was your name? Lynette
28:37
Speaker 1: from Salt Lake. You know that's why we went to
28:43
Speaker 1: find out what, if anything, we could do. I was
28:46
Speaker 1: really not mentally and emotionally prepared to find out the
28:50
Speaker 1: scale on which it was happening. Still to this day,
28:53
Speaker 1: after Natalie was killed, and you want to tell me,
28:56
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum that he ripped apart Stephanie tossing on a floridask,
29:02
Speaker 1: but he didn't touch Natalie, right. This is also a
29:05
Speaker 1: man that has confessed how many times and he's also
29:09
Speaker 1: told thirty two different versions of what happened to her
29:13
Speaker 1: that night. Over a hundred people saw her get in
29:18
Speaker 1: his car because the bar had closed. They were all outside.
29:21
Speaker 1: All of her classmates saw him. He has continued to
29:25
Speaker 1: con and harass Beth. He's offered to tell her thanks
29:29
Speaker 1: for money. He is the epitome of a socio yet
29:33
Speaker 1: no conviction and now murder her Lynnette from Salt Lake Cities.
29:38
Speaker 1: Question Wise, of what can we do, well, we went
29:41
Speaker 1: to try to do something and find something, but sadly,
29:45
Speaker 1: I don't think we made a dent in it. But
29:47
Speaker 1: what you can do is school your children and follow
29:52
Speaker 1: the rules. Yourself. You know what I did before I
29:55
Speaker 1: came here. I started to spank myself. I got to
29:59
Speaker 1: the airp and the flight was delayed, so I sat
30:03
Speaker 1: in a dark parking lot answering emails and texts for
30:07
Speaker 1: like thirty forty minutes. I'm like, WHOA, what am I doing?
30:12
Speaker 1: This is crazy? So I get out go in. But
30:15
Speaker 1: even having literally written a book about how to stay safe,
30:20
Speaker 1: we still, you know, our defenses slip because you don't
30:24
Speaker 1: expect everybody to be a killer or a rapist, and
30:27
Speaker 1: that is when they strike when you're on your senior trip. Well,
30:31
Speaker 1: and then here's what Beth said what we can do
30:33
Speaker 1: to protect ourselves. First of all, don't go to Aruba.
30:36
Speaker 1: Don't give them your two urism dollars. Second of all,
30:39
Speaker 1: if you're sending your child overseas, do you have a
30:41
Speaker 1: passport in case something goes wrong? Can you get to them?
30:44
Speaker 1: Do you have enough money on your credit card to
30:46
Speaker 1: book a last minute flight? Do you have enough high
30:49
Speaker 1: enough limit on your credit card to stay at a
30:52
Speaker 1: hotel for months on end? All of that needs to
30:54
Speaker 1: be put in place before your children goes off. God forbid,
30:56
Speaker 1: something goes wrong another thing, for instance, jrn Vandersliet was
31:02
Speaker 1: drugging women at the bar in their drinks. We know that,
31:06
Speaker 1: and he routinely did it and was still doing it
31:09
Speaker 1: after Natalie was murdered. Don't leave your drink because a
31:13
Speaker 1: lot of people go, well, why did she leave with
31:16
Speaker 1: three guys? She didn't know. She was so out of
31:19
Speaker 1: her mind. I think part of his story was true,
31:21
Speaker 1: that they went to the beach. He said they didn't
31:24
Speaker 1: have sex, but then he could describe her underwear and
31:28
Speaker 1: she may have started vomiting and choking up from the
31:32
Speaker 1: roofie he gave her. That may be true. But when
31:36
Speaker 1: people blame her for leaving, I hate that because they're
31:40
Speaker 1: shaming the victim. But don't let anybody leave on their own,
31:46
Speaker 1: And don't you leave on your own and watch your drink.
31:50
Speaker 1: She had no idea what had happened, okay. I Also,
31:55
Speaker 1: in terms of what can you do, we have to
31:57
Speaker 1: be aware of society that there are certain vulnerable populars
32:00
Speaker 1: and those populations are vulnerable at certain times. Children who
32:05
Speaker 1: are getting on and off school buses, are seniors in
32:08
Speaker 1: society who are left alone with caregivers where we may
32:12
Speaker 1: not be overlooking what's happening. Young women on senior trips
32:18
Speaker 1: whose supervisors leave them unattended. These are all vulnerable populations,
32:22
Speaker 1: so they should be watched at all time. Because young
32:27
Speaker 1: people have a right to go and experiment with being
32:30
Speaker 1: away from their parents, but they should experiment in a
32:34
Speaker 1: safe environment. So we have to think about safer environments
32:38
Speaker 1: for them. I believe somebody has are hand up out
32:41
Speaker 1: in the crowd. Come on up. What's the question? I
32:44
Speaker 1: was just wondering the friends she was with, why didn't
32:47
Speaker 1: they stay with her? I don't know. I never got
32:50
Speaker 1: the answer to that, Dona kill I don't. Well. Yes,
32:53
Speaker 1: so the cabs in Aruba don't look like regular caves.
32:56
Speaker 1: They look like cars. So her friends thought she was
33:00
Speaker 1: getting into a cab. They didn't think she was getting
33:03
Speaker 1: into a stranger's car. And I know her friends struggle
33:06
Speaker 1: still to this day with what happened, and that the
33:09
Speaker 1: fact that they weren't able to, you know, get her
33:11
Speaker 1: to stay with them. I know they've struggled severely with
33:15
Speaker 1: what happened. I do know that her friends went in
33:18
Speaker 1: and out of the hotel room multiple times that night,
33:20
Speaker 1: because Natalie's key cards showed multiple entrances and exits from
33:25
Speaker 1: the hotel room between two and four in the morning.
33:28
Speaker 1: So if she switched keys with them, that does imply
33:32
Speaker 1: that they were up, that they that they were sober,
33:35
Speaker 1: that they were aware of what's going on, and that
33:37
Speaker 1: they were searching for her. Question that my name is Kathy.
33:41
Speaker 1: Is there any evidence that he perpetrated before Natalie's Okay,
33:47
Speaker 1: this is what I know. I've never had a defendant
33:52
Speaker 1: or suspect go from sixty to one twenty mph like that.
33:59
Speaker 1: We do know for sure that he would routinely drug women,
34:05
Speaker 1: rape them when they were unconscious, and take their money
34:09
Speaker 1: because he would wait for the next cruise ship or
34:11
Speaker 1: the next school trip to come in. So we know
34:14
Speaker 1: Natalie was not his first victim. Whether he killed anybody before,
34:19
Speaker 1: I don't know, but two dead bodies is enough for me.
34:23
Speaker 1: And just hold this thought. He is in a prison
34:28
Speaker 1: in Lima near Lima, where he can have drugs, alcohol,
34:34
Speaker 1: and conjugal visits. He has gotten married and got a
34:38
Speaker 1: woman pregnant and has a child, and so he's like
34:43
Speaker 1: king of the penitentiary. Sex offenders offend on average for
34:48
Speaker 1: sixteen years before they come to the attention of law enforcement,
34:54
Speaker 1: So that tells you a little bit about what Sean
34:56
Speaker 1: Vandersloot might have been up to. Sorry, Hi, I'm Katie
34:58
Speaker 1: from you the City, California. I wanted to know if
35:00
Speaker 1: any of the bartenders or the clubs that were surrounding,
35:03
Speaker 1: did anybody get in any kind of trouble or you
35:06
Speaker 1: know anyone who helped him. You said that they were
35:08
Speaker 1: getting paid twenty dollars to spike a drink. Nobody got
35:11
Speaker 1: in trouble and the two brothers, Dpak and who was
35:16
Speaker 1: the other brother, Cheryl Satish were question arrested. Thank you
35:22
Speaker 1: and let go. But Nancy, I think it's imperative that
35:25
Speaker 1: people understand this entire island is protecting their tourism, the
35:32
Speaker 1: entire place, the hotels, the restaurants, the cabs, everybody. We
35:37
Speaker 1: did track down a former bartender at Carlos and Charlie's,
35:40
Speaker 1: and I was astounded to learn he wouldn't talk because
35:43
Speaker 1: he signed a non disclosure agreement. What restaurant or bar
35:47
Speaker 1: do you work at where you need to sign an
35:49
Speaker 1: NDA when you leave? That tells me everything I need
35:52
Speaker 1: to know about what was going on there. Hi, I'm Jill,
35:56
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to know what your personal theory
35:59
Speaker 1: is on what may have happened to her. You're talking
36:03
Speaker 1: about Natalie. Natalie went with her friends to go out
36:06
Speaker 1: and have fun that night. She was at a bar.
36:10
Speaker 1: Jorn van der Sleet was at the bar. She was
36:13
Speaker 1: just It's like a wolf waiting for the sheep to
36:17
Speaker 1: go by. It's like a hyena out on the Serengetti
36:24
Speaker 1: hiding at the water place, waiting for the gazelle, and
36:31
Speaker 1: then all they have to do is catch one gazelle.
36:34
Speaker 1: The weak link. I think that he spotted Natalie. He
36:38
Speaker 1: started talking her up. As she talked back, it was nice.
36:42
Speaker 1: Then he slipped her the drug and it was all over.
36:47
Speaker 1: I think he led her to the car they went away.
36:50
Speaker 1: I think that he raped her because she was unconscious.
36:53
Speaker 1: I don't know if the Calpo brothers joined in, and
36:56
Speaker 1: I think that he killed her. Where do you think
36:59
Speaker 1: her to remain? Oh gosh, I think they're either buried
37:03
Speaker 1: somewhere on that island, if you're the father Paulace had
37:06
Speaker 1: anything to do with it, or there's a very strong
37:09
Speaker 1: possibility they went out in the water and dropped her
37:13
Speaker 1: remains out there. And if you get past a certain
37:15
Speaker 1: point your past, for instance, a reef and it goes
37:19
Speaker 1: straight out to the ocean. There's no harbor past a
37:23
Speaker 1: certain boat. They have a friend who was a DJ
37:25
Speaker 1: was a DJ dia the Tattoo party boat, Yes, the
37:28
Speaker 1: tattoo party boat that actually presented to law enforcement telling
37:33
Speaker 1: multiple lies about where he had been that night, which
37:36
Speaker 1: tells me that he could have been the one who
37:38
Speaker 1: captained a boat that took her out and dumped her
37:41
Speaker 1: in the waters. But you know, to me, I find
37:43
Speaker 1: it hard to believe that somebody else was involved because
37:46
Speaker 1: people can never keep their yap shut, Like people say,
37:50
Speaker 1: do you think OJ did it? Yes, because if you
37:56
Speaker 1: buy into the theory that the police had a big
37:59
Speaker 1: conspiracy and they were trying to frame him their idol,
38:03
Speaker 1: one of them would have broken ranks by by now
38:07
Speaker 1: and done a two three million dollars deal with Saint
38:11
Speaker 1: Martin's breath or whoever, and written a book and made
38:14
Speaker 1: a movie about what really happened. So I think that
38:18
Speaker 1: if you're in vandersliep and the Calpo brothers had had help,
38:23
Speaker 1: somebody would have cracked by now. Hi, I'm Renee from La.
38:28
Speaker 1: What about his father? Nothing happened to him. His father died,
38:32
Speaker 1: His father had a heart attack, or a stroke on
38:34
Speaker 1: a tennis court. I blame yourn vandersliep because all the
38:39
Speaker 1: pressure and all the stress, all the covering of the
38:41
Speaker 1: murder come. Well, do you remember Paula's running from the
38:45
Speaker 1: Remember when we would ask Paul's the question he had,
38:48
Speaker 1: Literally the judge would take off running. All you could
38:51
Speaker 1: see was elbows and tailhole running away. Hi. So my
38:56
Speaker 1: question is, do you think the culture of menace predators
38:59
Speaker 1: is changed at all? Do I think the culture of
39:04
Speaker 1: men as predators is changing? No? I do not. Because
39:10
Speaker 1: the rape statistics, the attack statistics, the murder statistics, statistics
39:15
Speaker 1: are high rising in many areas. Why, I don't know.
39:19
Speaker 1: And all this awareness, I mean, we're aware, but it's
39:23
Speaker 1: still happening that people are still covering for them. All
39:29
Speaker 1: I can think is to keep teaching our children, to
39:32
Speaker 1: teach their children, to teach their children. And all I
39:35
Speaker 1: can do is try to put their sorry ass in jail.
39:39
Speaker 1: That's all I can think. You question, I'd like to
39:44
Speaker 1: make a note about that is that one thing when
39:46
Speaker 1: they're a face to face with a predator, they are
39:49
Speaker 1: very likable, very approachable, They're charming. There are people that
39:54
Speaker 1: will that know how to build report with you within seconds.
39:57
Speaker 1: They're the types of people that get into your life
40:00
Speaker 1: so rapidly you don't even realize it's happening. When you
40:04
Speaker 1: see this happening, you need to be aware that's not
40:09
Speaker 1: normal because what they're trying to do is to create
40:12
Speaker 1: trust with you. And what happens is that these young
40:16
Speaker 1: girls a boy pays attention to them, they get all
40:20
Speaker 1: excited about it and they let their guard down. I
40:23
Speaker 1: teach my children never let your guard down ever. Also,
40:32
Speaker 1: rapists are a heterogeneous group. They're not homogenized. They're not
40:36
Speaker 1: just one subtype. The rape, the sex crime is a
40:40
Speaker 1: way to express so many different disorders. It's a perversion,
40:44
Speaker 1: it's a way to show hatred. It's a way to
40:46
Speaker 1: have power. It's a way to kill. It's a way
40:49
Speaker 1: to raise one's excitement level if you're a sociopath. So,
40:53
Speaker 1: because rape is an expression of so many types of psychopathologies,
40:59
Speaker 1: it wouldn't make sense that public awareness would decrease sex crimes.
41:04
Speaker 1: It's just not going to work that way. We have
41:06
Speaker 1: to work on ourselves and our children to keep them safe. Right,
41:09
Speaker 1: And don't you think, Bethany, that starts a lot of
41:11
Speaker 1: times with porn addiction, the porn addiction that their flavor
41:15
Speaker 1: gets stronger and stronger and stronger, and they kind of
41:19
Speaker 1: keep upping their game to get the endorphins going. Porn
41:22
Speaker 1: addiction and sex addiction is on the rise. Yes, it is. Question. Yes,
41:27
Speaker 1: so I love you guys, That's why I'm here and
41:29
Speaker 1: you Where was the chaperones? And if you're I'm paranoid
41:34
Speaker 1: about going in certain places, I live here. But why
41:37
Speaker 1: is the parents not more straighten? Whether kids do like
41:40
Speaker 1: to get their phones or passwords and all of the
41:43
Speaker 1: chaperones for Natalie, Okay, when all this happened, I really
41:48
Speaker 1: roasted the chaperones big time because I felt the same
41:54
Speaker 1: way that you do right now. Then after I started
41:59
Speaker 1: with Fox Nay and Kelly found one of the chaperones
42:03
Speaker 1: that would agree to speak to me, Bob Plummer. Yes,
42:07
Speaker 1: and he said, I'm so sorry. We were just facilitating
42:13
Speaker 1: the travel and the hotels. I mean, they're eighteen and
42:17
Speaker 1: there were how many four of us or how many
42:20
Speaker 1: And when they would go somewhere in a group together,
42:25
Speaker 1: we couldn't watch every single one of them. And I
42:29
Speaker 1: had to tell you, I felt really bad. But yet
42:32
Speaker 1: I still wonder when you send your children away with chaperones,
42:37
Speaker 1: you think they're watching them. I think that there was
42:40
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding. There were not enough chaperones. And the ones
42:45
Speaker 1: that went were very ethical and devoted and they did
42:51
Speaker 1: their best. They just could not watch all those students. Well,
42:55
Speaker 1: and Nancy, I don't know if you remember that, Bob
42:57
Speaker 1: Plummer said he warned all of the students after he
43:00
Speaker 1: saw somebody that was like you were on vander Salute
43:03
Speaker 1: at the pool who pulled a knife out. So the
43:06
Speaker 1: chaperone did warn all of the students. But there were
43:09
Speaker 1: seven chaperones and one hundred and twenty five students. There's
43:12
Speaker 1: just not enough. There's not enough eyes. And remember, these
43:16
Speaker 1: girls are nice girls from good families, and when somebody
43:20
Speaker 1: offers them, oh, do you want a glass of water?
43:22
Speaker 1: Do you want to drink? They're socialized to be polite
43:25
Speaker 1: and to say yes. So they were sitting ducks. From
43:28
Speaker 1: that standpoint, if they were spiky, you should just say
43:31
Speaker 1: hell no, go away. Good question. Yes, I have a question.
43:39
Speaker 1: So I know crime can happen anywhere, but should we
43:42
Speaker 1: even been more cautious and worried traveling outside of the
43:44
Speaker 1: country Because the officers who could be corrupt and protect
43:48
Speaker 1: their own Will you please shade my book because it's
43:54
Speaker 1: fighting back and don't be victim, fighting back against America's
43:57
Speaker 1: crimeway because US started riding about out crimes when you travel,
44:01
Speaker 1: and I really just started writing it about Aaron Andrews.
44:05
Speaker 1: That's what goes going to be a little segment about
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Speaker 1: when you're in your hotel room, know that people can
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Speaker 1: look through the peopole and do this and don't do that.
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Speaker 1: The more I investigated it turned into a huge chapter
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Speaker 1: in the book about people getting raped and killed while
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Speaker 1: they're on vacation at these five star all inclusive resorts. Honey,
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Speaker 1: I have not put my foot back in Mexico since
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Speaker 1: I wrote that book, and because the crime there is insane.
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Speaker 1: Another thing, ladies jump in. Another thing is that they
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Speaker 1: don't have police like we have police. I learned in
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Speaker 1: a room, but they didn't even have nine one one.
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Speaker 1: You get raped and thrown on the side of the road,
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Speaker 1: there's no nine one one to call, But do you
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Speaker 1: want number The story we covered about the two high
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Speaker 1: school age kids who went with their parents to Mexico City.
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Speaker 1: They had one drink of alcohol. Maybe there were twenty
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Speaker 1: one twenty two Abbey Abbey Connor sloging in the pool,
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Speaker 1: face down dead. So not only can you not rely
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Speaker 1: on the police or law enforcement, but you can't rely
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Speaker 1: on the things you ingest either. The alcohol regulation there,
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Speaker 1: like here, alcohol is a big business. I mean, we're
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Speaker 1: in Vegas, for Pete's sake, and it's highly regulated by
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Speaker 1: the government. You're not going to belly up to the
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Speaker 1: bar and get some moonshine here. That's not going to
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Speaker 1: happen because it would it would ruin the reputation of
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Speaker 1: this facility. That happened to Abby Connor. She and her
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Speaker 1: brother were there with their mom or their family. They
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Speaker 1: were going to have dinner that night, but Abby didn't
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Speaker 1: show up. So the mom, Jenny, was trying to find
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Speaker 1: her and they came rushing up, said there's been an accident.
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Speaker 1: She and her mother had one drink at the bar
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Speaker 1: and the next thing, there was no lifeguards, no security cams.
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Speaker 1: She was faced down in the bar and the pool
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Speaker 1: waist deep and she could swim, and the brother was
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Speaker 1: also faced down. He lived, but he had a broken collarbone.
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Speaker 1: They airlifted Abbey. She died was tainted alcohol in Mexico,
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Speaker 1: where say the hotel buys two million dollars alcohol every
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Speaker 1: other month. Think how much the provider can make if
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Speaker 1: they use moonshine made somebody's garage and half of that
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Speaker 1: money all goes in their pocket. So it is rampant.
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Speaker 1: And the Milwaukee Journal did an expose on tainted alcohol.
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Speaker 1: And it is rampant in other countries. So when you go,
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Speaker 1: and I mean just like Mexico or any of the islands,
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Speaker 1: it's a ninety minute trip. They don't have regulations, they
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Speaker 1: don't have cops like we have, and you're really at
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Speaker 1: a disadvantage, especially if you don't speak the language. En
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Speaker 1: Firements are a perfect storm for crime and for being
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Speaker 1: a victim. And that's what we're talking about today. I
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Speaker 1: think bottom line as you leave your rights at home
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Speaker 1: when you travel abroad. And from Beth's experience, she didn't
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Speaker 1: get help right away. What they told her is she
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Speaker 1: was in a crack house and she would show up
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Speaker 1: just like all of the other tourists. So they lost
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Speaker 1: a valuable time in searching for her because police just
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Speaker 1: wrote it off. Oh and remember guys, when we went
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Speaker 1: to the crack house, we were in a car and
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Speaker 1: Beth went stop. She said, that's the crack house that
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Speaker 1: I went in looking for Natalie, who had never so
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Speaker 1: much come home drunk and straight a student pre med
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Speaker 1: Do you all remember or we were in the car
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Speaker 1: are and Beth pointed to a cross just stuck on
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Speaker 1: the side of the road, and she said, let me
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Speaker 1: get out, and we all got out went with her.
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Speaker 1: She said, I was out of my mind. I just
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Speaker 1: felt Natalie was still alive. I couldn't find her, and
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Speaker 1: I was looking blindly in a ruba Natalie, you know,
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Speaker 1: basically calling for her. And I saw this cross, and
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Speaker 1: I got out of the cab and I fell on
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Speaker 1: the dirt and I had the dirt my hand. I'm
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Speaker 1: liking God in heaven, where is Natalie? And I looked,
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Speaker 1: I saw another cross. I walked to it. I went
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Speaker 1: on my knees. I saw another cross. She went up
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Speaker 1: eighteen crosses, up a hill, stations of the cross, she said.
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Speaker 1: When she got to the top of the hill and
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Speaker 1: we went there, there was a little chapel I think
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Speaker 1: it was called Buena Vista, beautiful vista, and you look
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Speaker 1: at and you can see mountains and ocean. She said,
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Speaker 1: I came to this chapel. It was as big because
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Speaker 1: your kitchen table. And she said, suddenly I knew that
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Speaker 1: Natalie was dead. She said, I felt like all of
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Speaker 1: a rub. It was just like writhing under me, just evil.
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Speaker 1: But when I got to this chapel, everything became still,
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Speaker 1: and I knew Natalie was dead. I will never forget
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Speaker 1: it as long as I live. You remember that, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: I do. And Nancy, y'all. Nancy and I worked in
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Speaker 1: these cases as a prosecutor and as a crime scene investigator,
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Speaker 1: but sometimes in those moments we're standing there just as
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Speaker 1: two mamas, and our heart was breaking for Beth all
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Speaker 1: over again, and we were standing there with her at
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Speaker 1: that chapel. And since two thousand and five, Beth knows
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Speaker 1: the truth. She knows Natalie was murdered. She knows she's
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Speaker 1: not coming home. But she looked at Nancy and I
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Speaker 1: and she said, can I tell y'all, I still carry
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Speaker 1: her passport just in case, just in case they find
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Speaker 1: her and I can bring her home. And that's the
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Speaker 1: reason we go back, that's the reason we do it.
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Speaker 1: Signing off, goodbye friends,