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What Went Wrong with RHONY Reboot? · Reality with The King

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Speaker 2: and my wit. On today's episode of Reality with the King,
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Speaker 2: we have a funeral that is the death of Ronnie.
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Speaker 2: This reboot is a boot. I don't know what else
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Speaker 2: to say besides listen to this episode because I had
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Speaker 2: to talk about this to someone who can bring back
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Speaker 2: So I'm joined by Gibson John's who together we are
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Speaker 2: going to talk about what went wrong with the Ronnie reboot.
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Speaker 2: And before I played this episode, I just have to say,
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Speaker 2: you will never win in the game of reality television
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Speaker 2: when you hide your relationship and when you hide your
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Speaker 2: life to the audience. We don't get to see Jenna
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Speaker 2: alliance fiance, we don't get to see UBA's boyfriend. That's
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Speaker 2: the kiss of death. But look, listen to Gibson John's
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Speaker 2: and I talk about what went wrong with the Rony reboot. Ladies, gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: and day here you go, hey, rain drops on today's
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Speaker 2: episode of Reality for the King. I am doing a
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Speaker 2: very special episode today. The guy who I'm talking to
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Speaker 2: is a friend to the show and he inspired today's
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Speaker 2: episode because I follow him on Twitter and I saw
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Speaker 2: a lot of posts about the recent episode of the
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Speaker 2: Real Housewives of New York City and I'm seeing all
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Speaker 2: of this backlash in regards to a prank. And because
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Speaker 2: I do not watch the show, I need to discuss
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Speaker 2: with Gibson John's spoiler alert as to why everybody is
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Speaker 2: saying this is what's wrong with this reboot? So ladies, gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: and they give it up for the one of the
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Speaker 2: only Gibson Johns.
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Speaker 3: What an intro.
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Speaker 4: You know, even though Twitter is a bit of a
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Speaker 4: dumpster fire these days, we're still we're still inspiring.
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Speaker 3: New episodes from it. No, I didn't. I forgot you
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Speaker 3: didn't watch the show.
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Speaker 2: Oh and so this is this is the best part,
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Speaker 2: Gibson John's. Let's have a real conversation. Yes, I watch
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Speaker 2: all of the episodes of the first season of the reboot,
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Speaker 2: in addition to the two part reunion, right, and my
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Speaker 2: rain drops know this. I was like, guys, this show
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Speaker 2: is not that bad. I'm enjoying it. I like the girls.
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Speaker 2: Boom boom boom. So I'm like, okay, fine, I like
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Speaker 2: the cast. Listen. I can critique stuff here and there,
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Speaker 2: but overall I was I was pleased.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: Then comes the second season of this reboot, and after
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Speaker 2: watching fifteen minutes of it, I was like, I can't
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Speaker 2: it felt contrived and Gibson, this is the first episode
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Speaker 2: of the season two premiere, and my spidy senses within
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes was like, this is not good. And I
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Speaker 2: was so disinterested that I stopped watching it, but what
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Speaker 2: is going on with this season? Because I did not
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Speaker 2: even want to prepare for this conversation I'm having with you,
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Speaker 2: because I said to myself, you know, because I'm a journalist, Hey, Portia,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, let me watch the clips. I'm so disinterested.
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Speaker 2: I did not even watch the clips because I just
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Speaker 2: don't give a buck.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt the same way about the first season
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Speaker 4: as you did.
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Speaker 3: I was like, this isn't perfect.
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Speaker 4: It's not it's not that good, but it has potential,
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Speaker 4: Like some of the casting is pretty good. Hopefully for
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Speaker 4: a second season, they come back, they fix some of
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Speaker 4: the issues and whatnot. They've gone backwards in the second
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Speaker 4: season and up till.
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Speaker 3: Now it hasn't been great.
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Speaker 4: But my biggest issue was just sort of like the
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Speaker 4: awareness of them being on camera and off camera, and
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Speaker 4: sort of they were just hyper aware of how they
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Speaker 4: were coming across from the show. And I think that's
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Speaker 4: that's kind of common for a second season Housewife, but
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Speaker 4: having a full having a full cast of that makes
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Speaker 4: it really hard to watch and they're just so they're
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Speaker 4: so obsessed with sort of like how it's all coming across.
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Speaker 4: But then this past episode, it just took it to
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Speaker 4: another level and people are aren't happy.
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Speaker 3: Do you want me to explain sort of the.
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Speaker 2: Plane everything to me and to the audience, because I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure even they're aware of how bad is becoming
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Speaker 2: happy to do it? And as you recap this most
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Speaker 2: recent episode, can you also include that there's been breadcrumbs
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Speaker 2: of fourth wall stuff happening and fake storylines? But but
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Speaker 2: go ahead, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Okay, So Rebecca Minkoff joined the show obviously for this season,
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Speaker 4: and she's a friend of She is an established back designer.
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Speaker 4: We know that she's a scientologist. And what's interesting, I
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Speaker 4: think is that she never really got a full intro.
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Speaker 4: She just sort of like showed up to a group
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Speaker 4: lunch on the first episode and it was like Rebecca Minkoff,
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Speaker 4: and it's like they're kind of assuming the audience like
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Speaker 4: knows exactly who she is and she's like this big
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Speaker 4: deal and she is a name brand in the fashion world,
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Speaker 4: but like you have to do the work to explain
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Speaker 4: that to the audience, right Like that that was sort
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Speaker 4: of the first sort of clue for me that the
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Speaker 4: Rebecca puzzle piece was just not ever going to really
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Speaker 4: fully work. Then she gets asked about scientology on the
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Speaker 4: helicopter ride to the Hamptons and brings like, what do
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Speaker 4: you want us to say to people who ask about it?
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Speaker 4: And she's like just She's like just say no comment,
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Speaker 4: and they're like okay, and they just kind of like
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Speaker 4: take that and they don't challenge her on it. So
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Speaker 4: that was another sort of thing that I've been watching,
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Speaker 4: is the scientology aspect. So then we get to and
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Speaker 4: she kind of has been she's been pretty boring this
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Speaker 4: whole time. She has not really brought anything to the
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Speaker 4: show this episode. Do you remember the clip of Cy
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Speaker 4: Jeff Lewis Live that went viral where she was It
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Speaker 4: was a hot mic where she says, or somebody asked her,
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Speaker 4: how has Rebecca mink Golf been on the show, and
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Speaker 4: she says she's been really boring. Well, this episode was
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Speaker 4: filmed around the time at that leaked, So we see
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Speaker 4: Rebecca and Aaron go to lunch and and you know,
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Speaker 4: we there, you know, Aaron's like, Brin's been talking about you.
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Speaker 4: She's been saying that, like, you know, yourself sold Nord
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Speaker 4: some rack, and she's been really shady. And then that
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Speaker 4: coupled with Cy calling her boring, I think sort of
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Speaker 4: inspired this whole prank that we saw play out. So essentially,
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Speaker 4: the beginning of the episode is, oh my god, Rebecca's pregnant.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Like it's it's getting around the group. Aaron,
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Speaker 4: she told, Aaron, who told who told Brynn and Jessel,
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Speaker 4: and then it's like four days later we see this
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Speaker 4: lunch and but we don't see them come up with
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Speaker 4: any sort of plan. So we we as an audience,
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Speaker 4: think that Rebecca might be pregnant. We think that this
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Speaker 4: is like going to get around the group and it's
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Speaker 4: going to come to ahead at this end of the episode.
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Speaker 4: Event well, we get to the end of the episode,
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Speaker 4: event it, you know, Jenna tells Rebecca that she you know,
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Speaker 4: she's pregnant and all this stuff. Aaron pulls Rebecca aside
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Speaker 4: as she gets really upset and calls her out for
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Speaker 4: telling the rest of the group, and then Aarin was like,
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Speaker 4: that was good, that was good, and then it says
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Speaker 4: to be continued. So essentially the entire episode is us
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Speaker 4: as well as the other women, being made to think
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Speaker 4: that Rebecca has stepped out on her marriage gotten pregnant
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Speaker 4: by another guy via some like orgy situation or something.
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Speaker 4: It builds, it builds and builds, builds, but we don't
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Speaker 4: know that it's a prank. Aarin and Rebecca have come
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Speaker 4: up with this plan to basically prove that the other
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Speaker 4: women specifically bring our gossips, that they're going to spread
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Speaker 4: information even if it's sensitive, and that's it's to be continued.
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Speaker 4: So we don't really have the explanation of the prank
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Speaker 4: because we didn't see them come up with it. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: so were lent to believe at the end of the
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Speaker 4: episode that at that lunch that I alluded to, that
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Speaker 4: is when the plan was hatched to create this fake
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Speaker 4: pregnancy prank. But we haven't been We never saw that
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Speaker 4: as an audience or we're not going to see that
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Speaker 4: until next week probably, So.
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Speaker 3: Here we are.
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Speaker 4: We're not in on the joke. So we've also been
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Speaker 4: sort of pranked as viewers. And you know, obviously this
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Speaker 4: is coming after Rebecca really not bringing much to the show,
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Speaker 4: the other women being really aware of how things are
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Speaker 4: coming across and whatnot, and it just it adds to
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Speaker 4: the to the feeling that they don't really know what
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Speaker 4: they're doing with this show, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 4: It's not just anauthentic. In my mind, it's more like,
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Speaker 4: what are you trying to do here? You know, like,
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Speaker 4: this isn't I don't want to be pranked as an
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Speaker 4: audience member. It would have been maybe kind of fun
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Speaker 4: if they had let us in on the joke and
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Speaker 4: we saw all the other women sort of being like,
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Speaker 4: oh my god, she's pregnant and we knew that she wasn't.
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Speaker 3: But this was also something that was teased in the trailer.
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Speaker 4: It was there was this was splice and dice in
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Speaker 4: the in the in the season's trailer, it was like,
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Speaker 4: oh my god, wait, is Rebecca min Golf pregnant? Is
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Speaker 4: this about somebody else? Or no, it's just a fake
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Speaker 4: prank they came up with while filming.
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Speaker 1: This is horrible because listen, it's right.
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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be very blunt. It's one thing to
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Speaker 2: prank your fellow cast members. I get a prank, but
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Speaker 2: but yeah, let's just say whatever that's the storyline. It's
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Speaker 2: one thing to prank your fellow cast members. The biggest
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Speaker 2: mistake to me is the audience is not in on
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Speaker 2: the joke, or in this case, in on the prank,
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Speaker 2: because as an audience, you're watching with your emotions on
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Speaker 2: the table, right, so to be emotionally unsatisfied at the end,
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Speaker 2: knowing that, wait, this is not real and we didn't
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Speaker 2: give a hits up. And the problem that I'm having
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Speaker 2: with that, Gibson is you ladies, haven't earned the right
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Speaker 2: to prank the audience. Yes, who do you think you are?
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Speaker 2: You're not Atlanta Housewives sixteen seasons in. You are not
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Speaker 2: oc You're not Beverly Hills. You're not even fucking Dubai
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Speaker 2: at this point right, which we'll talk about that later.
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Speaker 2: You guys have this very important position because at the
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Speaker 2: end of the day, the Real House Washs in New
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Speaker 2: York City was an iconic show that birth the greats
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Speaker 2: of Bethany, Derinda, Ramona, Luin, etc. Right, Sonya as well.
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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of way to carry and you, ladies,
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Speaker 2: not only did not understand the assignment, you failed it.
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Speaker 2: And it goes to show you that when it comes
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Speaker 2: to this cast and you're one thousand percent of by
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Speaker 2: Gibson on any reality show, the second season and your
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Speaker 2: sophomore season is the most difficult because the ladies in
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Speaker 2: this case, in this day and age, they're reading the tweets.
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Speaker 2: They kind of see how they're being like in their words,
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Speaker 2: portrayed right, like, oh, I'm the villain, people hate me,
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Speaker 2: you know, and you sort of one or two things happen.
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Speaker 2: You sort of become a caricature of yourself to where
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Speaker 2: you behave in a way where you think the audience
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Speaker 2: wants you to behave. Right. So that's one end of it.
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Speaker 2: The other end of it is you are completely different
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Speaker 2: in your first season because you're playing it's safe, because
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Speaker 2: you are so villainized that you don't want to you
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Speaker 2: don't want to make any mistakes right. And it's interesting
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Speaker 2: because Gibson, I promise you, I caught them the first
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of the first episode of the second season
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Speaker 2: of this reboot, and I'm not into it, and I
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Speaker 2: want to get into this before I get into Jena Alliance.
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Speaker 2: I also read on Twitter a few weeks ago that
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Speaker 2: even Brin told another cast member, let's have a fake
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Speaker 2: fight about fashion on something. Can you explain that to us? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: So that was on the Hampton Strip at Aaron's house.
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Speaker 4: Brynn whispered to Rebecca she had she had back then
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Speaker 4: also shaded her fashion line. I believe it was, and
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Speaker 4: Rebecca just sort of took it or like didn't really
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Speaker 4: hit back in the way that maybe somebody who was
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Speaker 4: adept at Housewives would And Brin sort of whispered to
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Speaker 4: her at the breakfast table. She was like, no, Like
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Speaker 4: what you should say is like, well, you're selling sweatshirts
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Speaker 4: at Bravo con like like I'm I'm sold like across
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Speaker 4: the world. Like that's and they they kept that in
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Speaker 4: the episode. They showed her sort of coaching her at
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Speaker 4: the breakfast table. And you know, Brings one of those
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Speaker 4: people who I think had a pretty good first season.
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Speaker 4: She showed like a lot, she had a lot of
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Speaker 4: star power, and she was I think she brought some
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Speaker 4: interesting storyline to it and backstory. But this season she's
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Speaker 4: just completely It was the first thing you said, which
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Speaker 4: was she sort of leaned into the caricature of it.
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Speaker 4: Like everything she says is like very like sexed up
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Speaker 4: and very kind of vixeny, and like just she's playing
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Speaker 4: that character kind of at all times, and she's she's.
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Speaker 2: Flirting with Jenna Alliance like like like.
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Speaker 3: All the time.
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Speaker 4: Jenna Alliance, the New the New One, Roquelle, who was
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Speaker 4: also a lesbian Aaron's dad always in confessionals, it's like
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Speaker 4: always happening kind of and it's just sort of like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: in bits and pieces, that was kind of fun in
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Speaker 4: the first season, but it's still happening at all times
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Speaker 4: on the second season. Jeff Lewis even called it out
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Speaker 4: on Watch Reppins Live. He was like, enough, it's like
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Speaker 4: if I was Jenna's partner, I'd be fucking annoyed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. And the thing is, it's sort of it's like
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Speaker 2: curbaiting a little bit.
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Speaker 3: It's like I see that.
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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? Because the thing is
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Speaker 2: this as the upply gay man, I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: constantly well number one, I don't float with straight men, right,
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Speaker 2: I listen, this is my opinion. I think it crosses
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Speaker 2: the line, and I think it's disrespectful, you know, I.
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Speaker 3: Think I think.
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Speaker 4: I think in bits and pieces it can be kind
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Speaker 4: of fun, like if you're at a party and it's
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Speaker 4: just sort of like oh yeah, but it's it happens
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Speaker 4: a lot.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen if okay, I'll give a good example.
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Speaker 2: If one of my best female friends has a husband
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Speaker 2: who's like coolest shit, and I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: you're gorgeous. That's one thing I'm not. But but I'm
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Speaker 2: the way brand flirts with Jenna and women. It's close proximity,
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Speaker 2: you know. It's like the Beyonce Kittie Cat song. She's purrying.
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Speaker 1: It's like a me a like, hey, you want to
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Speaker 1: go out bath like that?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like that kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Like I'm not doing that to a straight guy. I like,
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Speaker 2: I'll compliment you, right, but I'm not going to like
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Speaker 2: invade your personal space. So that's that's that. But the
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Speaker 2: bigger thing to me, though, Gibson, it sounds to me
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Speaker 2: like production is sabotaging this show because to show the
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Speaker 2: whispers of no, you should have, like, you know, argue
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Speaker 2: back with me, you should have let me have it
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Speaker 2: or whatever. And then to to show that this was
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Speaker 2: a prank with Rebecca and Aaron, you know that they
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Speaker 2: set up and the audience finds that at the end.
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Speaker 2: Those are two things that as the production company and
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Speaker 2: a producer, I wouldn't do because I just I would
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Speaker 2: never give my audience that much intail in terms of
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Speaker 2: how fake it.
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Speaker 4: That was sort of my question for you, Carlos, is
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Speaker 4: because like I think a lot of people, I think
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Speaker 4: up until now, a lot of the blame has just
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Speaker 4: been put kind of squarely on the women and the cast,
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Speaker 4: which I think they bear the brunt of I think
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Speaker 4: a lot of a lot of this and why the
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Speaker 4: show is just not working. But I think after this
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Speaker 4: episode people have sort of shifted some of the blame
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Speaker 4: to production, because again, if this, if this episode had
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Speaker 4: been represented of like, Okay, we start with the Rebecca
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Speaker 4: and Aaron lunch and it's like Rebecca is fed up
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Speaker 4: with being you know, shaded, and they want to prove
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Speaker 4: that brain will just like repeat anything. And then they
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Speaker 4: show us that they come up with this plan and
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Speaker 4: the rest of the forty minutes of the episode is,
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Speaker 4: oh my god, Brin's freaking out about it, Jessel's freaking
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Speaker 4: out about its, Ie freaking out about it. They're gossiping
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Speaker 4: about it for thirty minutes, and then at the end
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Speaker 4: we get the big review we show we see their
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Speaker 4: reaction and it's built up for us because we know
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Speaker 4: it's fake. That would be I wouldn't really like that,
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Speaker 4: but at least it doesn't feel like we're again they're
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Speaker 4: pulling a fast one on us as well. Yeah, and
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Speaker 4: like playing with our emotions and so a lot of
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Speaker 4: people I think just had an issue also, just like
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Speaker 4: the way that it was edited together and put together,
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Speaker 4: and they're blaming production because they don't really know. They
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Speaker 4: think they don't really know what show they're making, Like
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Speaker 4: do you like is it?
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Speaker 3: I don't know?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't know. Yes, this is not keeping up
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Speaker 2: with the Kardashians Une where it's not Chris, you know
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Speaker 2: what I mean, Chris like making the fake art or whatever. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: you know, like like early days of the Card on E.
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Speaker 2: I'm very I'm gonna be very Gibson knows what I'm doing.
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Speaker 2: I'm very different because it's a different show. On E
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Speaker 2: they play into the pranks, you know, t ping Chris
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Speaker 2: is how like you said, the fake are like it
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Speaker 2: was part like Chloe and the girls stick right and
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Speaker 2: we but we will always we always knew about it.
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Speaker 2: We always knew about it as the audience. Let's have
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Speaker 2: a real conversation, Gibson. I'm not watching Housewives to see
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Speaker 2: a prank me. I'm not listen. I want to see
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Speaker 2: personal story. I want to see these real women have
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Speaker 2: real conversations about what's going on in their lives, in
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Speaker 2: their friendships, in they're in a circle. I don't care
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Speaker 2: to see a prank the old New York Housewives. And
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Speaker 2: this is why I'm gonna give the production a little
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Speaker 2: bit of grace. Right again, Carlos King would have never
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Speaker 2: done that. And even if I was told by higher up,
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Speaker 2: so whatever the powers that be, I would have fought strongly. Like, guys,
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Speaker 2: this is not the way to go because the audience
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Speaker 2: doesn't know them yet and they haven't earned their trust.
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Speaker 3: And there and we already don't love the show.
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Speaker 4: Like it's like so it's like, that's not if you
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Speaker 4: want to rope us in and like try to get
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Speaker 4: us hooked on the show, this is not the way
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Speaker 4: to do it.
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Speaker 2: Yes, not exactly, child. We are just getting started. This
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Speaker 2: is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. Let's
20:35
Speaker 2: get back into the show. So let me give the
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Speaker 2: production a little bit of grace, right, Okay. One thing
20:43
Speaker 2: we do know about Old Roney, right, the the the
20:47
Speaker 2: ogs and the icon the iconic legends that they are
20:51
Speaker 2: is the fact that they were funny and we play
20:56
Speaker 2: they played, They played up the comedy of their situations right,
20:59
Speaker 2: and a very comedic way. It was like seven Lucille
21:05
Speaker 2: balls that made up the New York Housewise right.
21:07
Speaker 3: Total like they were.
21:09
Speaker 2: And I'm a going records for saying this. The New
21:14
Speaker 2: York City Housewives were always the most comedic franchise, right.
21:18
Speaker 2: They were known for their comedy. So perhaps perhaps that
21:26
Speaker 2: the production felt like, what's the twenty twenty four version
21:31
Speaker 2: of these rony ladies? And unfortunately this isn't it because
21:39
Speaker 2: at least I'm gonna say that none of these girls
21:41
Speaker 2: put together can hold the cancel to Ramona Singer, to
21:45
Speaker 2: Bethany Frankel.
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Speaker 1: So this cast, to me, isn't funny. I don't find no, I.
21:51
Speaker 3: Never last well, I never do. I don't Carlos, I don't.
21:58
Speaker 2: Give said the black just so you know you make
22:02
Speaker 2: me laugh, Okay, comedy somewhere, Yes, they're not funny. Comedians
22:10
Speaker 2: were not cast to be on this show. I have
22:17
Speaker 2: to say this. This was a mistake. This was a
22:23
Speaker 2: mistake to reboot an iconic franchise, and I understand the
22:31
Speaker 2: reasoning behind it. And we don't have to get into
22:34
Speaker 2: all of that because that's a whole nother podcast episode.
22:37
Speaker 2: It's the political. Yeah, so we already talked about the
22:41
Speaker 2: political nature of why that happened. And let's be clear
22:44
Speaker 2: that's that's that's what it is. If that's the case, fine,
22:50
Speaker 2: who am I to like whatever? Cast women that not
22:54
Speaker 2: only represent New York City but who are funny. It's
22:58
Speaker 2: sort of like the and we're gonna see what happens
23:01
Speaker 2: with Atlanta Housewives when it comes back next year. Atlanta Housewives.
23:06
Speaker 2: They're known to be the shadiest girls who can read
23:12
Speaker 2: each other up and down the sidewalk right shock. The
23:17
Speaker 2: Atlanta girls are pros at at shade messy shock value,
23:22
Speaker 2: like they're they're they're funny, but attas they'll always make
23:26
Speaker 2: us laugh. They will yeah yeah without trying hard, and
23:29
Speaker 2: and and the difference is this, Ronie, they were funny in.
23:33
Speaker 3: A very.
23:37
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah exactly exactly, whereas Atlanta is shady. It's like
23:42
Speaker 2: where Kenya and Porsche read each other needy Kimisch like
23:46
Speaker 2: it's hilarious without intending to be hilarious. So it's sort
23:50
Speaker 2: of like they have, like I think, four new women
23:53
Speaker 2: on this upcoming season. Those four new women have to
23:56
Speaker 2: represent the shade fun that we saw in the golden
24:01
Speaker 2: days of that franchise. And I think they I've heard
24:04
Speaker 2: great things about this upcoming seat good really great things
24:08
Speaker 2: plus porsches back, So there you go wrong cast. These
24:14
Speaker 2: women are power players and I love that for them.
24:18
Speaker 2: One thing about New York City women not like stereotyping
24:21
Speaker 2: them like this does not apply to all New York
24:24
Speaker 2: City women, but New York City women, the majority of
24:27
Speaker 2: them are very savvy. You cannot put one on them.
24:30
Speaker 2: They're they're they're savvy, smart, successful, and they and they're
24:36
Speaker 2: very conscious of like their image and their career. And
24:41
Speaker 2: these women represent that. But it doesn't make them reality stars. No, No.
24:46
Speaker 4: I think a couple of things. One is that I've
24:49
Speaker 4: said that I wish that they would put in like
24:52
Speaker 4: a seasoned reality star in there to sort of help
24:55
Speaker 4: guide the way a little bit. And two, I agree
24:57
Speaker 4: it's sort of like where are the Julia Fai boxes
25:00
Speaker 4: of the world that that could have been cast here
25:02
Speaker 4: where Like, she is very savvy, she's kind of made
25:05
Speaker 4: a name for herself, but she's also funny as fuck.
25:08
Speaker 4: You know that it's people like that that are and
25:10
Speaker 4: she has this sort of like edgy, actual edgy kind
25:13
Speaker 4: of nature to her. I gravitate towards people like Roquel
25:16
Speaker 4: the New One and Jenna who are actually even though
25:19
Speaker 4: they aren't necessarily like amazing housewives, I wouldn't say, they
25:22
Speaker 4: still have like a lot of authenticity to them and
25:24
Speaker 4: they just kind of they're kind of no bullshit people,
25:26
Speaker 4: which I which is very New York to me.
25:29
Speaker 3: And the last thing I'll say is like, you know,
25:32
Speaker 3: I think I do think that like this.
25:34
Speaker 4: Wrote this complete Roney reboot and sort of the the
25:38
Speaker 4: way the audience has reacted to it overall, and just
25:41
Speaker 4: like in the ratings, I think reflect that is like
25:44
Speaker 4: it hasn't been received well, and I think it proves
25:47
Speaker 4: that maybe this is not the best way to reboot
25:49
Speaker 4: a franchise. You know, I think I think about Oc
25:52
Speaker 4: and Potomac, who both were found themselves in kind of
25:55
Speaker 4: dire straits there for a little bit, but they both
25:59
Speaker 4: kind of took a very simil their approach to refreshing
26:01
Speaker 4: and rebooting quote unquote their franchises, which was keep some
26:05
Speaker 4: OG's or quasi ogs in the mix, some really solid
26:09
Speaker 4: mid run people, but then also inject three to four
26:12
Speaker 4: new faces that really bring the energy and can keep
26:16
Speaker 4: up with the Ogs and aren't intimidated by them. It's
26:19
Speaker 4: about getting that ratio right, you know what I mean?
26:21
Speaker 4: You have to feel a connection to the to the
26:24
Speaker 4: beginnings of the show, and whether that is through somebody
26:27
Speaker 4: like a Tamra or Heather or Ushannon, who are none
26:29
Speaker 4: of them are technically ogs, but they all.
26:32
Speaker 3: Feel like kind of OG's at this point.
26:34
Speaker 4: Right then you have Gina and Emily, who have been
26:37
Speaker 4: there for a while now and they feel really integral
26:39
Speaker 4: to the show. Go to Potomac, you have Giselle, Karen
26:42
Speaker 4: and Ashley. They are OG's, they are connected to the
26:44
Speaker 4: beginning of the show. Then you have Wendy and Mia
26:47
Speaker 4: who kind of feel like they're really ingrained into the
26:49
Speaker 4: show now. But then they have three to four women
26:52
Speaker 4: who most of which I think are really they're really
26:55
Speaker 4: bringing it to atomic and I think that it brought
26:56
Speaker 4: it kind of back from last season. So like those
27:00
Speaker 4: two shows prove that you don't have to do the complete,
27:03
Speaker 4: the complete kind of clean slate, And I just don't
27:07
Speaker 4: know where they go from here when it comes to
27:09
Speaker 4: New York, because they did do the clean slate, you
27:11
Speaker 4: know what.
27:11
Speaker 3: I mean, And you can't really you can't really reverse that, no, And.
27:16
Speaker 2: I think it's a lesson in the sense of, like, listen,
27:21
Speaker 2: the good thing about being creative and being a producer,
27:24
Speaker 2: is it is our job to try new things? Yeah
27:28
Speaker 2: that and listen. In some cases you win and you
27:31
Speaker 2: brought up three good examples of what happened with that.
27:34
Speaker 2: I would even say Beverley Hills. You know, the Kyle
27:38
Speaker 2: is the only og, but Erica feels like she's been
27:41
Speaker 2: there since day one. During as well, Garcela and Soon
27:45
Speaker 2: are so integrated that you feel like, okay, they're They're
27:48
Speaker 2: definitely mar quee names for this show. So when you
27:51
Speaker 2: lose a Lisa Rena and you, you know, you try
27:55
Speaker 2: to figure out new girls here and there, you at
27:57
Speaker 2: least have a healthy dosed of familiar faces to where
28:03
Speaker 2: even if you cast a Crystal.
28:06
Speaker 3: You know, okay, okay, I'm thinking up for your bunting
28:10
Speaker 3: down and.
28:10
Speaker 2: You don't get it right. It's okay, it's okay. But
28:17
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for me when it comes
28:19
Speaker 2: to New York City is I think hindsight is always
28:23
Speaker 2: twenty twenty.
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Speaker 3: For sure.
28:27
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to see a third season
28:31
Speaker 2: of this rebooted cast. I would I would be shocked
28:37
Speaker 2: if I see any of these women on my screen again,
28:41
Speaker 2: unless they're going on House of villains.
28:43
Speaker 3: Wow, well they're none of them are none of them want.
28:46
Speaker 4: To be the villains, so they're not going to be
28:47
Speaker 4: on House the Villains. But I don't know, I feel
28:52
Speaker 4: like I can totally see you being correct. I do
28:55
Speaker 4: feel like it's a slightly different to me, Like it's
28:57
Speaker 4: a slightly different obviously a Dubai on on quote unquote
29:01
Speaker 4: on pause, and that was sort of like a I
29:03
Speaker 4: don't want to call it a failed experiment because it
29:05
Speaker 4: wasn't failed, but like it didn't fully work.
29:08
Speaker 3: I feel like there's there was.
29:10
Speaker 4: More riding on the Roney reboot, and so I wonder if,
29:13
Speaker 4: like they do give it one more chance, but like
29:18
Speaker 4: some kind of bring back a couple of the women
29:20
Speaker 4: and inject it either with Lindsay and Paige from Summer House,
29:25
Speaker 4: or they bring back somebody some stunt casting that really works,
29:28
Speaker 4: or I don't know, but I'm sort of like, do
29:30
Speaker 4: they do it one more time? But the ratings are
29:33
Speaker 4: where Dubais were, so I don't know.
29:34
Speaker 2: I'm just oh, no, no, no, no, no no, this
29:36
Speaker 2: is what I think is going to happen. Ladies, gentlemen,
29:39
Speaker 2: And they take a picture of this cast because you're
29:42
Speaker 2: not going to see them on TV anymore. That's and listen,
29:46
Speaker 2: I clearly I'm not saying I have intel information. I don't.
29:50
Speaker 2: I'm just it's so bad that and look, none of
29:56
Speaker 2: these women are break all stars like and that's the
29:59
Speaker 2: reason why I'm saying, like, these women know what I
30:01
Speaker 2: do think may happen. There has been a call to
30:05
Speaker 2: action and I will love to be a fly on
30:08
Speaker 2: the wall at a dinner table in Florida with Ramona Singer,
30:14
Speaker 2: Luene Della Steps and Sonya Morgan Derinda, and I would
30:18
Speaker 2: love to hear what they have to say about the
30:21
Speaker 2: state of this reboot. And I think those women Gibson
30:25
Speaker 2: need to keep their phone on. I would not be
30:28
Speaker 2: surprised if the network announces, okay, guys, we were bringing
30:34
Speaker 2: back four ogs and three new women, like like we
30:40
Speaker 2: heard you guys loud and clear. And I think, my opinion,
30:44
Speaker 2: I think the dust and the controversy has settled enough
30:49
Speaker 2: to where you can see these people come back.
30:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody's I forget who it was, but somebody said
30:55
Speaker 3: on Twitter, I'd pay to see that group chat.
30:57
Speaker 2: They did.
30:59
Speaker 4: Somebody said, I and pay to see that OG group chat.
31:02
Speaker 4: And I think they're right, you know, I think that
31:04
Speaker 4: I do think the og women have like handled the
31:08
Speaker 4: pr talking about the reboot of it all really well.
31:12
Speaker 3: They've been really classy about it, you know.
31:14
Speaker 4: And but you have to know that they know and
31:19
Speaker 4: everybody knows. Everybody knows that what the fans really want
31:23
Speaker 4: is one thing and they're kind of rejecting this other thing.
31:27
Speaker 3: And the show is not doing itself any favors. It's
31:30
Speaker 3: just not you know, no, it's not.
31:33
Speaker 2: And the ladies, the ladies aren't doing themselves any favors.
31:37
Speaker 1: Because they aren't trying to be real.
31:41
Speaker 2: And if you have to point the blame at anybody,
31:45
Speaker 2: you have to point the blame at the women because
31:47
Speaker 2: there's only so much that producers can do. And that's
31:50
Speaker 2: the reason why I'm giving the productions some grace again
31:52
Speaker 2: in terms of like the way they Yeah, I get
31:54
Speaker 2: that the way they edited this prank, I wouldn't have
31:56
Speaker 2: done that. I don't think that's a great choice. But
31:59
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, a success a successful show, Gibson,
32:03
Speaker 2: and this is me producing tons of casts. At the
32:07
Speaker 2: end of the day, it does rely on the cast
32:08
Speaker 2: to really to really want the success. And I just
32:11
Speaker 2: don't think these women's coming in a second season. I
32:15
Speaker 2: just don't think they were willing to give more than
32:18
Speaker 2: what they offered.
32:19
Speaker 4: And I.
32:22
Speaker 2: Think at the end of the day as well, they
32:25
Speaker 2: all can go back to their full time jobs and
32:27
Speaker 2: and that and that to me is great. It was
32:29
Speaker 2: it was, you know.
32:30
Speaker 4: I think what I've been saying about them is like
32:33
Speaker 4: it feels like they all want the benefits of the platform,
32:37
Speaker 4: which is getting pressed and and and being closer to
32:42
Speaker 4: being like a household name and fame and all this stuff.
32:44
Speaker 4: And they want the benefits of the platform without having
32:48
Speaker 4: to do the work that the platform requires of them,
32:51
Speaker 4: which is getting their hand, getting getting getting in the
32:55
Speaker 4: muck and and looking a little complicating their public mentioned
33:00
Speaker 4: a little bit, you know what I mean? Because ultimately,
33:02
Speaker 4: and this is something that I talked about on my
33:04
Speaker 4: podcast recently, is like, you know, something that's been frustrating
33:07
Speaker 4: me about housewives in the most recent years is like
33:09
Speaker 4: women are afraid of being unlikable or looking not brand
33:13
Speaker 4: friendly at risk of like you know, not getting enough
33:16
Speaker 4: sponsorship deals on Instagram. But ultimately, that's just like a
33:19
Speaker 4: short term play, you know that that's short term thinking.
33:22
Speaker 4: In my mind, if you think long term. You brought
33:25
Speaker 4: up House of Villains. The villains are the icons of
33:28
Speaker 4: reality TV, ultimately a lot of them. It's like, those
33:31
Speaker 4: are the people that live on and continue to get
33:33
Speaker 4: opportunities down the road. So you might take a hit
33:36
Speaker 4: to your likability for a year or two there, but
33:38
Speaker 4: ultimately those are the moments that fans remember. Those are
33:41
Speaker 4: those are the moments that live on and for meat
33:44
Speaker 4: past even your time on the show. They help you
33:47
Speaker 4: maintain your spot on the show, and brands are down
33:51
Speaker 4: to work with people like that these days. So it's
33:53
Speaker 4: not I wish that people would get over that fear,
33:56
Speaker 4: which I understand as a human being, but ultimately, being
33:59
Speaker 4: on reality TV it requires you to be messy and
34:02
Speaker 4: complicated and a little bit controversial. And I don't think
34:05
Speaker 4: these women want to be controversial.
34:07
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no no no, because
34:09
Speaker 2: they have to go back to work on Monday. You
34:10
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I think and listen, I get it.
34:13
Speaker 2: But that that also means don't sign up to do
34:15
Speaker 2: reality television. That's the case.
34:17
Speaker 1: So my last question for you is this. You and
34:20
Speaker 1: I are big fans of Jersey, and.
34:22
Speaker 2: We both had two very different views of who should
34:25
Speaker 2: come back to Jersey, which I love that about us. Yes,
34:28
Speaker 2: with the failure of this reboot, I'll say at Gibson,
34:37
Speaker 2: do not touch Jersey. I would rather see Melissa Teresa
34:42
Speaker 2: argue over Sprinkle cookies for like again, I would rather
34:48
Speaker 2: see that I am now able to say Jersey is
34:55
Speaker 2: such an iconic brand and show that The lesson in
35:01
Speaker 2: this New York City reboot is you can't do a
35:03
Speaker 2: clean slate in Jersey. Now. Can you bring some back
35:07
Speaker 2: and some not sure? But the biggest point is this
35:14
Speaker 2: cannot happen to Jersey, and I think Jersey should. I
35:19
Speaker 2: think to my ladies in Jersey, if you're listening, you
35:22
Speaker 2: can read another day because I keep your phone on too.
35:26
Speaker 2: I think, I think, I think everybody's sort of looking
35:29
Speaker 2: at New York City reboot like.
35:32
Speaker 4: Got it right, like that this can't be applied to
35:37
Speaker 4: any other franchise because the complete clean slate, it can't. Yes, No,
35:41
Speaker 4: And I think, yeah, I think you're right. I think
35:43
Speaker 4: you're right in terms of I mean, I do think
35:45
Speaker 4: that even if they went with one side or the other,
35:47
Speaker 4: it still maintains a level of connection to its original
35:52
Speaker 4: self in some way. But I agree, like I would rather,
35:55
Speaker 4: I would definitely rather watch just I'd rather go in
35:58
Speaker 4: the same the same circle though been running in for
36:00
Speaker 4: the past six or seven or eight or nine or
36:02
Speaker 4: ten or eleven or twelve years, however many years you
36:04
Speaker 4: want to say, we've been doing this with Jersey. I'm
36:07
Speaker 4: happy to stay on that ride. Yeah, I'm happy to
36:09
Speaker 4: stay on that.
36:09
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, do not touch Jersey. I mean if you,
36:13
Speaker 2: if you touch it, do what you do.
36:15
Speaker 1: With with Potomac, Beverly Hills and OC.
36:18
Speaker 2: But like there cannot be a clean slate, So we
36:20
Speaker 2: agree with that and listen, let's see what happens when
36:23
Speaker 2: New York City reboot. There's more to come. I'm not
36:27
Speaker 2: checking back in. I'm checked out. Nothing can happen to
36:31
Speaker 2: give me to watch this season. I'm loving OC, I'm
36:35
Speaker 2: loving Potomac, and Beverly Hills comes back next week, So Gibson,
36:40
Speaker 2: I would love you to come back, so we could
36:41
Speaker 2: recap an episode or two or three of Beverly Hills.
36:45
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, let the world know where can
36:47
Speaker 1: find you in your podcast as well.
36:50
Speaker 4: Yes, of course we'll call this. First of all, I'll
36:51
Speaker 4: say I'll continue to watch for both of Thanks, and
36:57
Speaker 4: I'm happy to report back at a later date once
36:59
Speaker 4: the season has to day. But yeah, so my podcast
37:03
Speaker 4: is called Gaby with Gibb every Tuesday and Friday. Wherever
37:05
Speaker 4: you listen to this great podcast, and yeah, it's it's
37:10
Speaker 4: similar discussions as well. When we you just listened to,
37:13
Speaker 4: Carlos has been on before. I have some of the
37:15
Speaker 4: housewives on. It's been a minute since I've done an
37:18
Speaker 4: interview actually, but I had Angie k on, I had
37:20
Speaker 4: Wendy on. So a good mix of of Bravo and
37:23
Speaker 4: reality TV content over on Gaviy with GiB.
37:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's really great and and and and the
37:28
Speaker 2: girls love so you get to see that camaraderie as well.
37:33
Speaker 2: Thank you give for so much with take time out
37:34
Speaker 2: your big day to recap. Thanks give me and I
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