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Nyx?! What about Engineering? (Part 1) | A Star Citizen call-in show · Open Comms Radio | A Star Citizen call-in show

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episodes I'll hope to put that in anyway.
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I've been Jar Jar Jabroni and this is open Comms Radio.
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The thing is though, now that you say that, I can't see it.
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You're absolutely right. We're playing.
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Let's let's talk about that first, because.
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I was going to go in a totally. Different direction.
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You can make as much money as you need and work your way
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towards any ship in the game. They they were trying to cash in
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off of that nostalgia and that hype.
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Whoa, you hear that voice? Hear that voice?
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I. Hear.
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I hear your voice. Look at that, I thought I lost
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my voice. Couldn't find it, didn't know
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where it went. You had me worried, I'll be
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honest. Yeah, you.
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You didn't react. I thought you were going to
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react when I told you I'd lost my voice.
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I, I was still, I was away from my computer.
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I didn't see. I walked back like 20 minutes
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afterwards and I'm like oh fuck. You were cool as a cucumber.
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Yeah, I was actually. I already had another Co host
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lined up. Oh yeah.
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Yeah, I'm just going to roll it out.
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Yeah, you could have. You could have Citizen Con would
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have gone on without me. It almost did.
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It almost. Did.
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It almost did. We, we hosted the DC Duke here
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and I, we hosted the DC Citizen Con and it went, it went well,
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but it almost it almost. Didn't start.
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It has its ups and downs for sure.
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Is that elevator humor? This isn't very little.
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Yeah. Yeah, go ahead.
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Yep, Yep. Well, this week we're going to
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dive right in. And this week's question, Nix.
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Or is it Nix? Nix.
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Nix. Or is it?
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But what about engineering? What about engineering?
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Nix. But what about engineering?
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So Duke, really quickly, we're going, we have a lot of guests.
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We're just going to get right to him.
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Will you tell me? You know what do what do I
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think? I think I think Nick's is just
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some more content and I would like engineering.
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That's, you know, you, you don't want me to, to, to wax poetical
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about it because we won't be able to get any of our guests.
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Yeah, we got a lot of guests. We're we're going to just dive
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into them. First guest, someone you know,
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someone you love, someone who's Co hosted the show before it was
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with us in Washington DC. Cosmic hobo.
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Howdy, welcome Hobo. Hobo Knicks?
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What about in here? Engineering, yeah, all right.
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But Nick's like, come on, That's I was right.
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Rob and I were right. Oh I I see what this is.
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There we go, it's our victory. I I attribute it to jar jar.
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Yeah, now, now I know why he was here so early.
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Yeah, I wanted to be. I wanted to point out how right
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I was you. Wanted to bask in his own glory.
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Yep, Yep. That's my home run engineering.
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Yeah. All right, yes.
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I mean, it can be nice. You can, you know, I know and
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our questions a little leading. If it's not how you feel, then
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then tell us how you feel. I, I like engineering and I
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think engineering itself is another one of those.
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We do need more like systems as far as game systems go.
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As much as I love Knicks, as much as I'm looking forward to
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it, I agree we do need stuff like engineering.
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Like one of the things I was really hoping to see was base
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building. Of course at Citizen Con didn't
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didn't hear a hear a lick about that, but engineering at least
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is that's going to be something I think we'll absolutely see
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first. And we obviously need it first
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because part of it is resource network.
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You need a resource network for the base building cause bases
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have. You know, yeah, I heard people
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say this and I'm like, why? Why do why do you need it?
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They don't really need it. They could put in base building
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where you just plop down a tent, right?
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Yeah, I guess, but then then it wouldn't really mean much.
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I 'cause it's going to tie into crafting.
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You need somewhere to do like large scale or medium scale
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crafting cause large scale is going to be like space stations
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and capital. So when you say resource system
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what what do you mean? You have resources you need for
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the base such as oxygen, power, water, those sorts of things
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that you would need to keep functioning for your base to be
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maintained. So not for the construction, but
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for the the continued. Right.
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Construction is just a resource thing like that's that's pretty
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straightforward. You need X amount of iron, X
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amount of titanium, X amount of copper that that if you've
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played probably any sort of a game, an open world game in the
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last like decade, that's pretty straightforward.
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I. Think I've played Star Citizen.
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Well, I don't know if that counts.
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So hobo them. Them not mentioning engineering
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at all doesn't faze you. Not so much you.
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Think it's going to be here by end of year?
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On a tech preview, we're we're, we're going to probably see a
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couple tech previews running at once this before the end of the
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year because we're going to have crafting and I reckon we're
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going to have engineering. We're going to have so many
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versions of the game running at once.
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The main servers are going to just suck.
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I'm OK with that. It's kind of a return to form,
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you know. Yeah, yeah.
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And new game features and you know, 5 frames at a time,
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struggling to fit through one door.
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No, no, no, no, please. Nostalgia.
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Yeah, I'll. Put it away.
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It's. Nostalgia.
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I'll put it on the shelf if it goes back to 5 frames.
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For sure. All right, I'll scoot over.
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I said my piece. I'll scoot over.
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All right, our next guest, I think it was Lord Nubis, was
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Lord Nubis. It was, yeah.
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Mr. Mr. Anubis. We go in order or who got here?
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Lord Anubis? Title Nix.
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But what about engineering? Lord Nubis.
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Well, you know, I, I, I was always a proponent of
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engineering, but now that I've heard the logical argument
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cosmic I, I have to take cosmic side that Nix is more important
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because cosmic was right. Thank you I'm.
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Going to abandon my position and everything I know because of
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just that simple fact that he was right, that it, that it,
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that it was happening, that that's all.
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The apotheosis of cosmic hobo. Yeah, no, feels good, Knicks.
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Yeah, I I don't really know if it matters too much, honestly,
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because it's not a full-fledged system.
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It's it's it's two places. It's and and it's like, OK,
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cool, they're adding a couple places, but it doesn't change
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anything, you know, other than, OK, well, when you're doing a
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cargo run, you're going to have to jump through a wormhole.
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That's it. Like, and it's not.
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So there's not need live, you know, resource, you know,
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balancing or anything like that. It's still just the same old
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stuff with just a couple more locations.
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It's a bigger sandbox with the same amount of sand.
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Yeah. You know, they're just spreading
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it out. Yeah.
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Engineering would bring a new play style.
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It would bring a new breath of life.
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But I mean, even medical, you know, they, they think they've
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revamped that it didn't make a single difference.
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Like for all the flub of they did and everything that they,
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you know, with the bed gel, it didn't do anything.
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So we need something besides just more locations because
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there really nothing changed. I mean, I I bought some of that
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bed gel. That's money sync.
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And then I just put it in Caddoil's locker and that was
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it. Hopefully it's still there.
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It probably is. He does a good job and it's not
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even a money sync because I I haven't bought any like I
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haven't needed to at all. Yeah, they're putting Med beds
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everywhere you go now. Yeah.
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Yeah, right. There's every time they try to
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bring medical gameplay, you know, quote UN quote bring it
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back. They instantly dilute it.
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Yep, you need. To not get free Med bill Med gel
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back when you claim a ship. That's that's the problem.
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Your Med gel should run out. Yeah, but they won't do that.
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And that, that's the thing, they they don't want to change the
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the ES and and and I get that, but I don't know.
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Yeah, next. It'll be interesting to look at,
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but that's it. I mean, you know.
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I'm quite eager to go mining in Knicks.
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Yeah, industry folks are gonna eat He.
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Yes, he he will. Yeah, yeah, they're gonna have
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missions, I think for it. Yeah.
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So if they, I mean if they have that going on and and if you can
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again, if you can like build Rep, they didn't mention
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anything about that. Yeah, and I think that silence
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is telling. I I think we'll have the same,
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you know, mining on your own that we've got.
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And then I think from what we saw, the missions that they'll
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have for miners look like they're going to be, they're
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going to include P versus P, which, you know, PvP miners.
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Yeah, like the rock cracking allowed that new mission where
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you crock they crack the big rock at the facility and then
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they said, and you know, you crock crack that rock and you
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might have some unfriendly people showing up and other
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players. So it was instantly like, you
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know, they'll do this cool mission you can mine, but as
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soon as you start doing that, you're going to be getting
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attacked. So, and I, I enjoy P versus P,
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but I'm like, so you're going to force, you're going to force P
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versus P and you're going to force combat on space stats.
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I thought you meant PvP mining. Like legitimately mining PvP
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game. But mining lasers are pretty
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dangerous. They could do like AP versus P
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mining if they did like competitive contracts.
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Yeah, that would be cool. That'd be cool.
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Contract goes out, you know, if 10 different people grab the
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contract, it's like whoever completes it first, or you know,
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whoever, well, once they bring in the different, the different
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qualities of minerals, they could be like whoever brings in
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the highest quality of corundum would win.
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That would be interesting. Gets the, gets the strips.
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I just want to see a mole roll up on another mole and just
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start mining its bags like. Nah, I'm taking it extracting.
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All right, All right. Well, we're going to, we have
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more callers than waiting room. So if you don't mind scoop a
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little bit there. Well.
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I didn't see which one came next actually.
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Well, we're just going to go can order them with EE6.
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Welcome to Open Comms Radio. Thank you for having me.
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Thank you for being here. Our question this week.
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Next, what about engineering? Well, I really don't have an
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opinion on engineering yet. I'd ever played it when it was
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in the tech demos. And so I'm just kind of waiting
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to see what it's actually going to be.
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So I'm actually more interested in Next because yeah, for me
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engineering is just kind of a wait and see sort of thing.
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So you're not you're not sad that they didn't mention
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engineering? Not really.
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OK. I I can understand the argument
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that there's a lot of stuff that's dependent on engineering.
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I can kind of go either way on that.
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I mean, with the complexity that they want, I can definitely see
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that, But I don't think they necessarily would have to hold
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up other features to for engineering.
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It might make it easier in the long run because then they don't
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have to go back and fix things you know later on.
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But. But we all know how much CIG
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likes to go back and fix things later or.
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Yeah, or or not. Yeah, or the elevators.
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Hey, the elevators are. They've been good.
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They've been good. But but they were broke for a
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while. Yeah, yesterday an elevator
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appeared in the middle of my hanger and I had to go push the
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button and I was like where the elevator's not coming, walked
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around my hanger, found it like in the middle of my hanger,
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walked into it, pushed it to go back to lobby and then it like
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reset it. Wow, that's brave.
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I actually just got thrown into the the structure of a a station
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earlier this week, just like the old days, so they haven't fixed
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everything. That's comforting.
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You feel like you're going to be comforted in Knicks here.
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I'm looking. Forward to that what do they
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call it the tactical space battle thing that they're
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they're planning that looks interesting makes the capital
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ships more worthwhile and not just somebody running around
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with a single soloing and Idris. I saw some people commenting on
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the the trench run and saying that it looked like it was just
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going to be too hard for most people.
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We'll send Murph in there, he'll be fine.
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Everybody you know, look, go. If you find your friend who can
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actually fly, if you don't have one, you know going to arena
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commander, wait for someone to kick your butt and then just say
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hey. I don't think it'll be too hard,
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but if you want to do the, you know, where you just hover in
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there to take stuff out, I don't think you're going to have a lot
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of fun because you're going to, you're going to be taking
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distortion damage that whole time.
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So you are going to have to do the whole strafing thing.
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Oh yeah, you, you can't hang out in there.
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Yeah. Yeah, I do remember them talking
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about the distortion the whole time.
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Put me on the drop ship, put me on where the interest is, I'll
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be happy there. Yeah, I'm done for some FPS.
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Or drop ships. Yeah, there's going to be a drop
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ship portion. Will it actually drop or have
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they implemented that in yet or? It's going to be just.
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Like land and run out. Yeah.
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Yeah, so it's not a drop. Everybody just gets into special
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seats and then just exits, you know, calmly.
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Don't don't they work though? Don't I?
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Don't they work in like the prowler and stuff the drop seat?
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T posing anymore when you're getting in them.
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Are you T Yeah, 'cause you just sit in the seat and then when
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you get out you just run straight out the door.
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It doesn't like drop you but like that's how the ship works.
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I mean, a drop ship is kind of useless without like parachutes
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and stuff, you know? And then, I mean, that's always
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kind of been the problem. Well, it's it's a 0T boarding
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action 'cause it's the space station.
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I guess I can see that. So it's it's.
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You can't even call it a drop zone, it's a float zone.
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Sure, swim. Swim Zone.
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OK, which wouldn't it, wouldn't it be cool if we had some more
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land battles? Yeah, All right.
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Like we get all these big space events.
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What about a land battle? None of that was mentioned.
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It was just, it was mostly just Nyx and a few missions coming up
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in Nyx it it felt like a, a long big ol, what do you call them
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stars. ISC.
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Just. Felt like a a long two hour 1.
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I saw like a Reddit comment someone said it's just going to
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be like a long ISC. They were.
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Right, and that that's exactly what it was and and I and it did
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not feel like the event that it you know, that that I don't
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know, something is disturbing about the fact that it didn't
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feel like an actual event. It just felt like, you know,
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something you would have seen just casually dropped on
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YouTube. Yeah, yeah, I'd say it
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definitely had less fanfare. But isn't that?
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Responsible, Responsible. I've seen that commentary and
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I'm just like throwing up in my mouth all.
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Right. Echo, do you have anything to
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add to this before we bring up our next guy?
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No. I don't.
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I don't have anything to add. All right, Echo, you can scoot
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on over there. We're going to bring Shvit on
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up. Shvit.
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Long time no see. Welcome to Open Comms Radio.
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What's? Our question Dookie.
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Are questions tonight next? What about engineering?
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Well this is going to be an interesting take as someone who
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hasn't seen the Citizen Direct. What?
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Yeah, no, I haven't seen it. I was out touching grass,
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believe it or not. Oh boy, that's hearsay.
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You beast. Does that.
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I know, right? It's it's it's wild.
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So I don't even know what Nick says.
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I just know Levski exists. So that's gonna be a yeah, let's
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go. But beyond that, engineering
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wise, I'm just kind of waiting here for us to be able to have
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the opportunity to do engineering because it's
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extremely important. Because for all the other MMO
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RPG's I've ever played, the end game you have crafters and
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gatherers always nonstop doing something which then leads to a
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collect collectible. Sorry, just.
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Collect. Collectibles, Collectibles.
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My apologies of hey, let's get the rare thing, the thing that
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only you can get by doing this thing.
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Caused by engineering. What I'm trying to get at is
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where is fishing Chris? Where is my fishing end game?
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I need to craft an engineer myself, a boat and a fishing
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rod. I don't care if it's space
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whales or not, I will be waiting to.
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Engineer myself. Plus three years.
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So that is that is my take on engineering where it's certainly
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important. But what do you mean by
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engineering? Like engineering of a ship?
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Like oh systems go down got to repair it or?
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Engineering is that's what it is like.
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There's, there's a fire. You got to put the fire out.
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You got to like. Repair those fire extinguishers,
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Yeah. It's it's the thing that was in
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tech preview at the beginning of this year and then disappeared.
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You know, prepare. The warp core, fix the plasma
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leaks, you know, put out the fires, fix the ship so you can
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get it back running after it's been soft death.
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Understandable. So my opinion on that matter is
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basically it would be nice to have to have, certainly, which
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would bring back my initial feelings from Pyrocitizen Con a
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few years back where the solar flares were a thing.
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You're flying, you're minding your own business.
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And then, oh, hey, look, let's check out the settlement.
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And then solar flare, you're just sidewind.
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You're gonna eat dirt one way or another.
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That would have been cool. Might as well attempt to fix it
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if you possibly can. And if they did ever bring back
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the flares from from that, I could see a whole slew of a mess
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of people saying, hey, what's this?
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Or people just abandoning pyro. But it's, it's kind of a, a
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balance between having environmental stuff going on.
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You enter a planet's surface that's extremely aesthetic and
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suddenly you don't your ship doesn't have a hole.
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Versus interior fires, which, yeah, it would be cool, but I
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feel like in the moment, for most people it could be
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overwhelming. Where you're in a fire fighting,
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let's say an Asgard and the hold is on fire and you have one guy
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with a fire extinguisher and he's getting bumbled around as
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you're trying to dodge a pirate. God only knows where I it it's
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there's something that needs to have a balance and we won't know
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until it's implemented the first time around, just to like the
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first implementation will be rough.
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People will be up in arms most likely, but it's it's and always
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is. But it's a necessary thing that
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needs to happen, whether that is before NICs, during NICs or it's
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it's going to happen one. Way or another.
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We know it, the devs know it. So what I'm hearing from you is
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you, you want physicalized wrenches.
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Look, I I use an excessive cane after dislocating my knee, so
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yes. I think what he said was Nick's
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engineering. Where are my solar flares?
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And where's his fishing rod? I I I will say.
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The only problem with solar flares is they make no sense.
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Oh, let's let's not try to get logic into this.
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Yeah, let, let, let's. Not get into that logic in
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there. We we have assets in this game.
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I mean the how are they flaring that fast?
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And then why is your ship that's capable of flying right next to
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the surface of a sun, not shielded for the same radiation
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that it's going to encounter every single day?
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Disruption. Damn.
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You said you could fly near the surface of the sun.
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Oh so. Don't fly into sun, that's a bad
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idea. Right.
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I mean. Sometimes we we don't have a
24:07
choice, we just spawn there. That's true.
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Yeah, they hit us through physically like a wave, you
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know? What was their excuse for
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getting rid of the flares? Wasn't it that the supposedly
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they couldn't get the NPCS to be affected by it?
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I actually. Don't know.
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You mean the ones who run around in space naked?
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I I beg your pardon? They do that.
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The naked NPCS that just walk around going, hey, I'm an NPC
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like just with no, I'm just gonna run around and he's got.
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The biker jackets and the yeah, the git mask and just running
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around on. The surface of them, which, by
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the way, you know we're all never nudes, right?
24:48
Yeah, and there's dozens of us. Well.
24:53
Did you know there's a skeleton inside?
24:56
If you go to an OLP anytime, Duke it, it's it's been one of
25:01
those trends lately where people will just knockout soldiers,
25:04
take all their stuff off, and then you go there and there's a
25:07
whole bunch of people in underwear running around in
25:09
space. Where is this Bonkers.
25:16
All right, you, you text me an address after the show.
25:21
Tritus Damar. Get my Polaroids.
25:25
All right, we're going to we're going to make room here for our,
25:28
our next, our next guest Shifting may or may not have
25:33
also watched Citizen Khan. It is wicked, wicked.
25:38
Welcome to Open Comms Radio. Citizens occasional caller.
25:47
Wicket next. What about engineering?
25:53
All right, well, cool as Nick's looked and the visuals they
25:57
shared and the citizen cons, it looked very impressive.
26:02
Look, you know someplace you want to check out, but I think
26:06
it's it's released, it's going to be limited of what we'll be
26:11
able to do there. Hopefully not, maybe I'm
26:13
mistaken, but it you know, they'll, they'll release it and
26:17
say, OK, we pushed it out. But at the end of the day, I
26:21
think engineering is way more important than Nick's because
26:27
engineering will be able to happen anywhere.
26:30
Nick's Pyro, Stanton, Terra, wherever you know, the
26:36
engineering is going to be a fundamental game changing
26:41
gameplay mechanic that we're all going to have to interact with.
26:45
And I don't know if it's going to be good or bad, and but it,
26:49
it's probably way more important to have engineering than it is
26:54
to have Nick's understand why they're doing Nick's because,
26:57
you know, that's a new beautiful place to, to play and it
27:02
satisfies a lot of people's wants and desires.
27:05
But I think they missed the ball with prioritizing that over
27:09
engineering. I think the engineering will
27:12
will at the IT will eventually have way bigger impact on
27:16
everything that we do when and if we actually play the.
27:20
Game. Anymore.
27:22
Do you think they're prioritizing it or do you think
27:24
it's just like a a different team working on it?
27:26
Well, I think it was telling that they didn't really talk
27:31
about it in the, in the citizen con, right.
27:34
And I'm, I'm, I, I was like very surprised when they announced
27:41
it's only going to be two hours. Now that I had what, you know,
27:45
experienced citizen con, I understand why they only had two
27:50
hours, why it was only two hours.
27:52
They didn't have much to talk about.
27:56
You know, obviously, you know, in, in prior citizens cons, it
28:00
was either a day or last one was 2 days.
28:02
And there was tons to talk about and discuss and hype up and over
28:06
promise and never deliver. But you know, that's that's the
28:10
nature of it. I'm going to say it.
28:12
I'm going to say it again. It was responsible.
28:15
This was this was a good decision.
28:17
It was the most rational citizen con we've ever had.
28:21
Yeah, listen, I don't, I don't, I don't get on several planes to
28:26
be spoken to rationally. I I get on the plane so that you
28:34
know Chris and and his team of of little hype beasts can can
28:38
whisper, whisper little dreams of of tech demos into my.
28:42
Ears. OK, you got on the planes to see
28:45
us like frame it that way. No, no, it's.
28:50
Alright, no, I I wanted to put my pickle basically.
28:53
See, that's what I'm saying. No, I did.
28:56
I did get on. I did get on the plane to see
28:58
you, but I was, you know, Susan Kahn, you know it from an
29:02
outsider's perspective or from a, you know, business
29:04
perspective, It's supposed to be the, the fundraising event,
29:08
right? And I came away from that and
29:10
I'm like, I don't, I don't know what kind of numbers they're
29:12
going to get from that. I mean, they not that they
29:14
needed it this year, right? They're already ahead of every
29:17
other year. But I certainly didn't hear a
29:20
lot of people saying I got to bust out my wallet to get this
29:24
ship or that one or, you know, I got to, I got to spend $40 on a
29:28
land claim. Well, hold, hold your horses
29:32
there, but. Nor did we hear anything new,
29:36
right? It was none of it was new.
29:38
So wait, here's a little new. My thing is I'm just holding
29:43
right that we didn't hear anything really new and didn't
29:47
see anything really new because they are just head down working
29:50
on squadron and they're going to do a really good job.
29:55
And then once that's done next year, fingers crossed, the
29:58
floodgates will open and we'll start to see all these these
30:01
features that we so desperately want to see, which is what we
30:06
thought when they said it was feature complete.
30:09
And when we said, Oh my gosh, they're going to put everyone
30:12
over on our Citizen now. Yep.
30:16
I feel like they're not done right, They're not ready.
30:19
And they are putting some people right.
30:21
They're putting the content people because the guys who make
30:25
the locations in Squadron, the guys who make like, you know,
30:29
what the ships look like and what the aliens look like,
30:31
they're all done. It's just the programmers who
30:34
are still working on it, and those are the ones we need in in
30:38
Star Citizen. I can see that.
30:41
I can see that. But I mean, the problem is, is,
30:45
is you have Nicks with only two locations.
30:49
And frankly, I think they were only made to generate like, like
30:56
videos for what they will be promising in the future.
30:59
And they never actually, like, worked on it ever since then
31:03
because like, we've seen those things ever since they announced
31:06
there was going to be new systems.
31:08
We saw those two locations. There's nothing else besides
31:12
that, which is frustrating. So it's like they never actually
31:16
got back to it. True.
31:18
Yeah. So they showed us.
31:20
They showed us this next last year we didn't see Next.
31:24
Three, last year we didn't see this much.
31:28
But we're also not going to see the Knicks planets this year.
31:34
Well, OK, that's fair. Yeah.
31:37
And Levsky was already a place. It was a shadow of what it is
31:43
now. Well, it's going to be.
31:45
I sort of prefer the old Knicks. I like the the planetoid look,
31:50
yeah. I feel like touching grass was
31:53
definitely the option here. You shut up.
31:58
You could have touched grass with us.
32:00
You could have come down here and touched.
32:01
Grass while we didn't keep your like it.
32:04
Was Canadian Thanksgiving. No, mostly people touched
32:07
alcohol. I mean, it was really, it was
32:10
really Canadian Thanksgiving. Yes, it was actually Canadian.
32:13
Thanksgiving. Hey, happy, happy Canada.
32:15
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Who the hell wrote that 20% slam by volume?
33:10
Yeah, you need to always include that disclaimer.
33:13
Oh well, I thought. Well, love you.
33:14
Didn't tell people where to buy it like.
33:20
You know, can I? I, I didn't tell people my name.
33:26
I didn't say, hey, you're here. Well, it's copyrighted, so.
33:29
I I never forget these. I never.
33:31
Oh, you only. You only just found your voice
33:33
right before we started, so. Yeah, yeah.
33:35
A lot going on today. Yeah.
33:38
All right, Speaking of someone we have found, he's a vegetable.
33:42
He's a man. He's broccoli, Rob.
33:48
How's it going y'all? How's the good broccoli?
33:52
Broccoli Nicks? What about engineering?
33:58
Nicks it happened feel pretty good feel pretty good tattoo I
34:03
did. Do you feel Cardigan letting
34:06
people know about it? Yeah, sure.
34:09
This is a It was a cover up. I got Freelancer tattooed on me
34:13
and I also got the moon broken up into seven pieces because
34:19
it's from a book that I like. There you go.
34:22
I'm a big is a big sucker on my tattoo.
34:25
Big old freelancer right out, right smack dab all weekend,
34:30
Brock the Rob was like, if they show Nick so I'm going to get a
34:32
Star Citizen tattoo and then they showed Nicks and he rolls
34:36
up his sleeve and he goes look and I go, what?
34:39
It's not small either. It's it's big, it's good.
34:44
What are you going to do when they eventually update the
34:45
freelancer and change the way it looks?
34:48
Just get that covered up too. You know, this is a this is a
34:50
cover up. So I'll just keep keep Con
34:53
covering it up. Just keep layering it on there.
34:56
What are you going to do when you're in the old folks home and
35:00
the nurse is like bathing you and they go, oh, wow, look, a
35:02
freelancer and you go, oh, you play Star Citizen.
35:06
Like, yeah, I hope it comes out soon because.
35:09
Yeah, fantasy. Is the nurse pretty the.
35:12
The the the nurse. In the nursing home is going to
35:14
say no, I don't play Star Citizen.
35:16
I'm still waiting for it to be released.
35:19
Dude, we're going to be the coolest generation of old people
35:22
in the home ever. Oh yeah, annoying.
35:25
Do that, too. Are you kidding?
35:28
Like, I used to work my HDMI cables loose.
35:32
Yeah, I used to. I used to work in equipment.
35:35
And the last thing we need is move beds in and out while
35:39
there's like a whole bunch of pops and like, you know, just
35:45
memorabilia just everywhere strewn about.
35:49
But what I was. Going to say is.
35:52
Next exciting. Yeah, right, hot dog.
35:57
I think it's, I like the whole rolling out of it kind of like
36:03
how we saw Stanton because there are things that we would like to
36:07
see and there are things that they're going to do.
36:10
And instead of waiting possibly another year for Nicks, I'd much
36:14
rather them roll it out now and just kind of keep drip feeding
36:17
his content over the year. That's how Satin rolled out.
36:23
Originally it was Crusader and then Art Corp next and then
36:28
Herson. I remember right.
36:30
Or was it the other way around? I think it was Art Corp, no
36:34
Hurston Art Corp and then Crusader.
36:38
New micro tech in their Crusader.
36:41
Correct micro tech. What if they do this forever?
36:45
Like what if this is the future? Why not just keep on rolling
36:50
out, slowly rolling things out and just kind of giving them to
36:54
us until one point O, one point O happens.
36:57
We have a complete game. They have in theory all the tech
37:02
they need to be rolling out more stuff.
37:04
So then I think they can slow down.
37:07
The only thing I could say to that is that they're releasing
37:12
patches like regularly and that that's wonderful, but they are
37:17
also erasing things in between regularly and it's getting a
37:20
little frustrating because it's like.
37:23
That's alpha, baby. I know it's alpha, but you know,
37:26
again, it's a living game that they're still charging people
37:28
for and it's a small thing they can do to just fix that.
37:32
And that's kind of the problem is that they're not fixing those
37:36
basic things. And if they're going to
37:39
accelerate the schedule like this, it's a quality of life
37:42
issue. And I get it's an alpha, but
37:43
when it's an alpha for another four years, you know it's a
37:47
small thing they can do. It's gotten, it's gotten better
37:50
over the year. And I think that it's a small
37:53
price to pay for a temporary problem that we have.
37:58
I think instead of taking time to like fix something that won't
38:01
be a problem for the final game, they shouldn't say be like OK
38:04
sometimes you have to redecorate your hanger, you know?
38:07
Like it's not the worst thing in the world.
38:09
But they're getting better with long term persistence and
38:11
honestly, the more they break it, the easier they'll find the
38:17
problems to fix it. But I mean, people losing ships,
38:21
people lose. I mean people have lost people
38:23
with Kolo, you know, Polaris's and not got them back.
38:28
And they're and and, and it's a regular occurrence and that kind
38:32
of brother. It's gotten better over the
38:34
months and you know it, Sorry, but you know, it's alpha and I'm
38:40
sure they're looking into it and I'm sure they're going to try to
38:42
fix it, but avoiding it is not fixing it.
38:48
Yeah, but they're, I mean, they're, they're not, I mean, at
38:51
the, at the same time, they're, they're not going to fix it
38:54
anytime soon. And that that's, that's, that's
38:56
kind of the problem is that, that they're not releasing the
38:58
patches to fix these things, even though it's a major
39:00
concern. Well, they have a whole, they
39:03
have a whole thread to like report like, Hey, let me know
39:06
when you let me know when a ship goes missing.
39:09
Like they're, they're actively asking people to be like, hey,
39:13
help us, help us fix this. And so that when they roll out a
39:16
new patch, it's hopefully a little bit closer to being fixed
39:20
than it was last time. I love the optimism.
39:28
I. I mean, what?
39:31
What else going to have you know?
39:33
No, I agree. Like we in like, you know, sit
39:37
around and be like, oh, this game sucks.
39:38
I can't believe like anyone would pay for this game.
39:41
But then like, what the fuck are we doing here?
39:43
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying that at all.
39:45
I'm just saying that that increasing the amount of patches
39:49
while, you know, hurting persistence stops players from
39:55
coming back every day. And when the players that come
39:58
back every day, those are the ones who buy things.
39:59
Those are the ones who who, you know, want to engage more.
40:04
And so when it's harder for them to be able to build a life in
40:08
the game, when it's just, OK, well, we're just going to churn
40:12
around and just kind of stand around and maybe run the new
40:15
thing instead of actually have this experience that we were
40:19
promised. It does.
40:21
Tend to make people not want to buy the new ships it it's it
40:25
hurts the funding of the project.
40:27
It's kind of like. Showing that's not true.
40:30
Their numbers of people are playing more.
40:32
Often echo. Hold on, Echo, Go ahead.
40:35
Yeah, their, their numbers are showing that people are playing
40:37
more often and playing longer. So the stuff disappearing it to
40:42
them might look like it's not a problem because people are
40:44
playing more. I'm sure it's something they
40:48
want to fix because I they know they have database issues, but
40:51
the numbers are showing people are playing more and they're
40:53
playing longer, so the stuff disappearing isn't affecting
40:56
people's playing. While also maybe also playing
41:01
those events I. Can see that.
41:02
They had that economy survey or whatever and they're like, what
41:05
kind of game types you like? And everyone's like, oh, I like
41:07
the events. So they, they're doing more
41:09
events. That's a response to that survey
41:11
that we took like 9 months ago or whatever, right?
41:16
So they focused on that instead of the repetitive kind of
41:19
content. Yeah, I'm enjoying the content.
41:21
I know a lot of people complain that it's, you know, it's an
41:24
amusement park ride and stuff like that, but so far I've been
41:27
enjoying it. Yeah, it's about finding the
41:32
balance. Sorry.
41:34
Broccoli. Go ahead.
41:37
I was going to say it's about finding the balance because for
41:39
so long it was us like trying to, you know, go into the game
41:42
and make our own content, which is still a viable thing to do.
41:46
But I think they're trying to help people along that want it,
41:50
you know what I mean? Yeah, and there's, I mean,
41:54
there's a lot to hold your hand with right now as well.
41:57
I do. It's, it's how many times do you
41:59
forget your key binds and this and that and how many times do
42:02
they change? So to have like stuff that they
42:06
know kind of works, like at a base level, like FPS stuff, the
42:11
FPS just kind of works. So they can like, keep pushing
42:14
that. Yeah.
42:17
And then to touch on Citizen Con earlier, I know like 2 days
42:21
versus 2 hours. Like I would have loved to see
42:23
more, but I think what we wanted to see and what they're
42:30
currently capable of working on and releasing are two different
42:33
things. So we could have been really
42:36
excited about two days and then pissed off we didn't see a lot
42:39
of it. Or we'd be upset about two hours
42:42
and then kind of excited when we see a lot of that.
42:47
Oh so that would have been like 3 days of drinking.
42:50
That's too much. I mean, I guess that's what I
42:52
that's what I did, but it was too much.
42:56
Three days of partying those two was.
42:58
High. Sunday, it was messed up.
43:01
Barely had time to even really watch the show so most of my
43:04
enjoyment from Citizen Con was spending time with y'all.
43:11
Yeah, I missed a good half of it.
43:12
I was just hanging out, having a good time with people.
43:14
Yeah, I think a lot of people were doing that and they were
43:16
like chatting and stuff. After like the first hour, I
43:20
noticed the second-half a lot of people were more chatty.
43:23
Especially. Last with the that I can't
43:27
remember his name. It was just talking about like,
43:30
oh, what the hell is one point O changed?
43:33
It's like, well, it hasn't since like, OK, all right, we're done.
43:36
And then they just kept talking. They just kept talking.
43:38
I was like, OK, all right. Yeah.
43:41
That portion, I think a lot of people were just, they tuned out
43:44
like they had already started losing folks by that point.
43:47
And then it was just talking and talking.
43:50
That was boring. Well, they'll know they'll
43:55
they'll know What is the most re re watched part of this, which I
44:00
imagine will be oh, here, here's a new thing.
44:03
Well, you tell me if it's new, the planet guy, the land guy,
44:08
the isn't he the the water guy? He's the grass guy now.
44:12
He's the grass guy now. Yeah.
44:15
So the, well, he was showing like at a distance how like how
44:21
you're going to be able to see how it's going to be more alike
44:24
at a distance. So you're not going to get that
44:25
like popping that was new and that's welcome, yeah.
44:30
Yeah, that was. Cool, right.
44:32
And then the, the Cliff sides. Yeah, if it works.
44:35
And then the Cliff sides, I mean, you're getting those.
44:40
And that's like what? Like Damar's missing, you know?
44:43
Planet tech is feature. That was the best part,
44:46
honestly, is the planet tech that was the most new in a way,
44:51
was actually seeing that 'cause we've heard for years about this
44:54
fancy ass planet tech and seen very, very little of it.
44:58
But now seeing it in action and like, wait, why can't we get
45:02
that now? Give it.
45:02
Give it to me now. Yeah, they shot some of it last
45:05
year, but it was a lot more detailed this year.
45:07
Yeah. Yeah, but have it not on the
45:09
Nick's one. I have opinions on it being on
45:13
Nick's one. Yeah, and I'm pretty upset about
45:16
it, but. You and you and half of the
45:18
spectrum. What's the issue with Nick's
45:22
one? Yeah.
45:23
What do we think about Nick? It was supposed to be a dead
45:27
system, not have any life teaming in it.
45:30
It was discovered during Project Firestar, which was like a big
45:34
thing to push people to go colonize.
45:37
Castro was found 40 years before that, and they spent a ton of
45:41
money on terraforming it. But then there's like a paradise
45:46
world right next to Castro that they find.
45:48
And everyone's like, no, no, we can't settle this.
45:51
It's, you know, it's Nick's like we can't do anything here.
45:55
Doesn't make any sense. Unlearn that I, I could see that
46:00
it's just I, I, if they introduce another like like it
46:05
has to the success of Stanton is how lived and and and like it
46:12
feels like like a whole different vibe.
46:15
And I, I, I just think if they introduced another like, like
46:18
if, if Nix was dead and it was just like just a couple little
46:23
things and it felt kind of that that dingy vibe of, of, well,
46:28
you know, the whole system is dead.
46:29
Kind of like Pyro. I don't know.
46:31
I, it, it, I, I don't know if, if they would have, if it would
46:37
have been something worth doing at the moment, you know, they
46:41
would have maybe gone with Castro.
46:43
And I don't think they've got any of that ready at all.
46:47
Yeah, that's. The same problem Pyro had was
46:49
Pyro was supposed to be dead pretty much with very little
46:55
going on except some pirates, and then they've kind of
46:57
revitalized into this just lawless free for all.
47:04
The thing is, Pyro makes pyro can still make sense like that,
47:08
but they're being a paradise world that wasn't settled for
47:12
500 years doesn't make sense in mix.
47:15
Like there's a they're going to have to like, really the vandal
47:20
are going. To be a real problem that's
47:22
that's the only way they can make any sense to this is the
47:24
vandal have to be a massive threat.
47:26
Well, Echo, but I mean Caliban, Oberon, like Vega 2, like the
47:31
the Vandal have always been a threat and people have still
47:33
settled there. And yeah, but we found Nyx 100
47:38
years before we met the Vandal. Although I do see on the intro
47:44
screens there's a blurb an article about re terraforming
47:50
systems, so maybe that's the end right there is that they just re
47:53
terraformed it. Maybe that draws vandal
47:55
attention, I don't know. I guess, but there's trees there
47:58
that would have had to have been growing for like 10 or 15 years
48:01
already, yeah. They got a, They got a Genesis
48:03
device. Yeah.
48:05
You know, they got, they got, they got, you know, they got
48:08
that. And then, you know, we're going
48:09
to find a Spock. It's going to be cool.
48:12
You got to go collect. Them I don't know.
48:13
I'm not, I'm not. I'm not entirely convinced that
48:17
this is going to be anything good.
48:21
Well as yeah, go for. It yeah, what what I mentioned
48:25
last week is it that like something failed with the
48:28
terraforming and everything's like bio incompatible.
48:31
She can't eat any of the the, you know, stuff that grows
48:34
there, you know, something like that where you just yes, it's
48:39
it's a lush, it's beautiful, there's plants, there's animals,
48:42
but you can't, you know, eat any of it.
48:44
Sure. Yeah, it's like The Expanse.
48:48
My gripe with that is that they try to like convey a certain,
48:54
like CIG tries to convey a certain vibe and it's like a
48:56
very peaceful there and they're showing as very peaceful kind of
49:00
across the board. So it wouldn't make sense for it
49:04
to not be like a peaceful paradise world.
49:09
Well, it could be very nice and peaceful and beautiful.
49:11
You just have to bring all your food in with you.
49:15
Pack it out. And all your water and
49:17
everything else. Maybe you can't breathe the air.
49:21
Yeah, or that too. Quasi grazers are there, so we
49:24
should be able to. I I'm not, I don't, I I don't
49:27
I'm going to have a problem with it no matter what.
49:30
I I, I, I I. Think, I think it's a it's a
49:32
Genesis planet. And that's and that's probably
49:37
the only thing I could think that they could do because
49:40
otherwise doesn't, I mean, they could three different people
49:44
like by the minute. So I don't know.
49:50
That's true. We are under under estimating
49:55
the powers that exist in this universe.
49:59
You know, I was, I was I was actually playing Stellaris and I
50:02
named a planet Nyx. It was in the Knicks wrath
50:04
system and I was like perfect. And it was like this old relic
50:08
dead world. But then I terraformed it and I
50:11
turned it into this giant like city world, like Coruscant.
50:17
And now it now it's one of my biggest worlds.
50:19
So I'm just saying it could happen.
50:22
You got too much free time on your hand.
50:23
You should. You should turn it back and just
50:25
smash moons into it like in the New Jedi Order series.
50:30
Oh, it might. I might, I might get, I think I
50:33
could get pretty violent this game, but we'll see.
50:36
I've never, I've never, you know, it's one of those games
50:38
like I've never won and each like I've been playing this game
50:43
for weeks. Now never wins stalars you just
50:46
keep playing it until you wipe out all the xenos.
50:49
Oh my God, we play. Or get wiped out yourself
50:52
because you're a xeno. I just tried to do science, you
50:55
know? Yeah, I do that too.
50:57
That's usually how my runs go is I speed from the tech tree and
51:00
then a forgotten empire wakes up and stomps me.
51:04
You just don't invent the Internet.
51:06
It'll destroy your civilization. Yeah.
51:10
So we have the the Vanduel coming in and I did some
51:13
research into like van the Vandals.
51:16
The the Vanduel are named after the Vandals.
51:19
Yeah. Yeah.
51:20
And I was like, alright, yeah, you got that.
51:22
Some history. It's all ancient Rome, guys.
51:24
Good job buddy. You know, you know why the
51:27
Vandals went to Rome. Because they wanted to be
51:31
Romans. No, they were chased out of
51:35
their lands in in Poland and eastern Germany by the.
51:40
By the replicators I mean the the Russians.
51:45
Right. Is it?
51:45
Is it gonna be the AI like the AI?
51:47
Yeah, it's gonna be the yeah, it's always gonna be an AI
51:50
enemy. It's the AI that humanity sent
51:52
out and yeah, ship, you know, those colony ships never, never
51:56
came back to us. It's going to be the Borg.
51:58
It's, it's going to be the, the AI Borgified those people.
52:03
And now they're coming back. It's going to be the revenge of,
52:09
of Clippy. Clippy was sent out to space,
52:13
encountered another space probe, an alien space probe, and then a
52:18
whole race of, of, of things. Clicky was like, I see you're
52:23
trying to destroy this civilization.
52:25
Would you like to? Go back legally distinct Clippy.
52:28
Clippy is aware of the hatred that humanity has for it and
52:32
returns in like a mirror. Could see it could work.
52:38
Wow. All right, totally.
52:45
Brilliant, brilliant. Dude.
52:45
You're not supposed to allow the the silences.
52:47
It's a radio show. Yeah, I was.
52:50
I was waiting on you. I thought you were going to add
52:51
something really profound. No, I told you I lost my voice.
52:55
Profound. I was going to say, what about
52:57
engineering? What about it?
53:01
What about it? I mean, we don't we don't need
53:02
it. All right, so here's my we we
53:04
don't need engineering, right? We don't need it for base
53:07
building. We don't need it for crafting.
53:09
They they can throw all those things in without it because
53:12
we've got ships right now with no engineering.
53:14
No, you need you need engineering for both of those
53:16
things. Need an engineering for
53:18
crafting? You need crafting for base
53:19
building. Why?
53:20
What do you What do you need it for?
53:22
So you could have your entire fish collection mounted on the
53:25
walls. So at at what?
53:28
What what? What do you need?
53:30
Engineering for for base building or.
53:32
Crafting, you know, you, the way that you run your ship needs
53:35
power, needs this, that. And the other thing, it's just a
53:39
ship on the ground, you know, right?
53:43
And like, your base could be powered by like, nothing.
53:46
But then like, they've made it clear that they want it to be
53:50
powered by something. And so you need engineering to
53:53
power it. They've made it clear, but they
53:56
also have already screwed around it.
53:58
I mean, the crafting cube, whatever that they showed,
54:03
right? It doesn't have to get plugged
54:05
into anything. They're like, you can stick it
54:07
on any ship, you can carry it in any cargo, you can put it on
54:10
your elevator and use it. So all you need is a box of
54:13
resource A and resource B, stick it in there and boom, crafting.
54:17
We have the same crafting, right?
54:18
Now I think that'll I think that'll be tech preview.
54:21
I think once it hits live still maybe I could be.
54:23
Wrong. But my point is that we don't
54:25
need it. We should have it, it should be
54:28
part of it and I'm sure it's part of the overall design.
54:31
But they could give us some of this stuff earlier in, in the
54:34
form that they have it right now.
54:36
Yeah, I can see we don't need it for that in in the idealized
54:40
version where your engineers, not only the person who puts out
54:43
the fire on your ship, but also as a specialist, specialist at
54:49
optimizing things, that's where that would come in.
54:52
And then, you know, if you, if you specialize in like, I'm just
54:57
going to make things like your, your engineer should be your
55:00
crafter. It should really be almost the
55:03
same profession. And they optimize your engines.
55:07
That's what they're good at because they've done it 1000
55:09
times. They know the tricks because
55:10
they've ground, you know, all that experience of it just gets
55:14
better results, better results with better materials.
55:17
They should be able to do that in all aspects of making your
55:20
base. They've got better power systems
55:23
for you that you, that, you know, less fuel to maintain
55:26
things like that. It's just, yeah, as you're
55:28
saying right now, the way they're presenting it, it's just
55:31
literally in and out. What's a simple equation rather
55:35
than a profession, right? I don't think the next year, you
55:40
know when they when they're done with with squadron, it's all
55:42
going to come together. I think they're going to need a
55:45
lot more like server meshing than what we have now, because I
55:49
mean, we're jumping into new servers every time.
55:52
And I think that's part of why base building isn't in and why I
55:55
don't think it'll be in for a while.
55:57
Yeah, wait, why? 'Cause we're in a new you, you
56:01
jump into a new server every time, and who's to say that?
56:05
Oh, I see. You and the other.
56:07
People jump into a jump into a new Shard.
56:09
I see what you mean. I thought you meant like
56:11
traveling between servers and your Shard.
56:13
Yeah, 'cause you know, 'cause that was the big question people
56:16
tried to ask at Citizen Con in, in Manchester, right?
56:20
Was like, well, what happens? I, I build a base on this little
56:24
spot, you know, on Aberdeen, and then I go to a different Shard.
56:31
Is, is my base still there? How does, how is that space
56:36
protected from somebody else building on other shards?
56:41
And I think, I think they'll solve that through selling land
56:46
claims for real money. Yeah, You can only buy buy in
56:52
your land claim. There's only one land claim.
56:53
So if there's this Shard or whatever without that.
56:57
Yep. Person there, it'll just be
56:59
empty. I mean, I mean, obviously it'd
57:03
be instance on the inside, but I, I, I do think that's, it
57:07
could only look, I mean, this is how CIG makes $2 billion.
57:14
Well, maybe, but I mean Continental Shards is probably
57:19
better for that. You know, I just this this well,
57:28
North America as a Shard. Oh, I see.
57:31
OK. You know, EU is a Shard.
57:34
You know, it's it's easier to maintain it that way.
57:37
You get less complication and plus you have real time people
57:41
going to the same place. But you still let people because
57:44
I mean, like our, you know, the org that I'm in has people from
57:49
North America and from Europe. I think it might have been
57:52
Aussie or two. So were they no longer able to
57:55
play with the org to build with the org, they could join the
57:59
Shard that that org is on. I mean, it's it's similar to
58:02
other Mmos, but the so you're not talking about locking them.
58:07
No, no, no, I'm just talking about getting getting the amount
58:12
of interaction. So if you have like, let let's
58:16
say you're coming under attack on one of your shards, right?
58:19
Right. Like, let's say, OK, your base
58:22
exists in all parallel realities, let's call these
58:25
shards a different universe, right?
58:28
Parallel realities going on at the same time.
58:30
You get attacked in one of them, right?
58:32
And then you get attacked in another one.
58:34
Like how do you respond to that? And, and you can't really have
58:39
those interactions because they're existing in multiple
58:42
dimensions at once while you're seeing both of them at the same
58:46
time. It's it's just gets weird.
58:49
You're saying base building is at least five years out?
58:54
I'm. Yeah, I'm saying the
58:55
infrastructure needs to make it more of a large living universe
58:59
rather than splitting it up so small so everybody can, you
59:04
know, I mean, it's just. Part of.
59:07
The fact that everything is physicalized, there is a person
59:10
in that ship, They're standing right there.
59:12
I know that if I could bust open the door, I can get to them.
59:15
You can't do that with the same concept of it being a space
59:19
station that exists in all realities at once, Yeah.
59:25
Right, unless everyone's on the same exact server somehow.
59:29
Which I don't. 11 big replication layer, one big Shard
59:33
and. I don't think we'll ever get
59:35
there. Well, the dynamic the dynamic
59:39
server meshing supposed to help with that should produce the
59:42
number of shards and increase the player count.
59:44
True. But just think of, I mean just
59:46
think of the number of players. I mean, when you look at a game
59:48
like like EVE Online, right? Well, yeah, everyone, everyone's
59:53
there, they're in the same universe.
59:54
But it's a much, I don't mean a simpler game in terms of the
59:58
complexity of the game itself, but it's a simpler game on the
1:00:01
servers. You know, anytime you've got an,
1:00:05
an FPS, obviously the, the handling that character and the
1:00:10
bullets and all their various interactions is more complicated
1:00:14
than, you know, like a, a ship like an EVE that just kind of
1:00:19
flies around, but it's not actually like.
1:00:23
What's the word I'm trying to think of?
1:00:25
Like the the way the ship is going doesn't really matter.
1:00:28
Do you know what I'm saying? Like it's just something that's
1:00:31
on your screen whereas all your interactions are separate from
1:00:34
it. It's more of like an avatar,
1:00:36
whereas in something like Star system where it's a SIM where
1:00:39
you're, you know, you, you have to have you got 12 guys in a
1:00:43
Valkyrie. You know, the server has to keep
1:00:45
track of those 12 guys in a Valkyrie and keep them flying
1:00:49
through a firefight and getting up and changing seats and
1:00:53
getting into turrets and firing off those bullets and those
1:00:56
bullets hitting the other ship, which also has guys in it.
1:01:00
As much as I mean the dream right would be like everyone
1:01:03
playing Star Citizen, at least you know everyone in in North
1:01:06
America playing Star Citizen is on a single massive Shard.
1:01:12
I mean, damn, we, we can't even get out of our hangar when, when
1:01:15
there's 600 people, you know, we, you get a.
1:01:18
Well, they're pushing it. They're getting better. 6
1:01:21
hundred 630 people or something the other night.
1:01:25
I I wanna, I hope, I hope we'll get it, but I don't see us
1:01:30
sitting there with, you know, 200,000 players in One North
1:01:34
America. It would be.
1:01:39
So cool, but he'd be sitting in traffic for like an.
1:01:41
Hour, let's say, let's say CIG, like they get I, I won't say
1:01:45
anyone there is a genius. Maybe they're a genius, but they
1:01:47
get lucky as as human beings get lucky.
1:01:49
Someone makes an intuitive leap and they crack the code and all
1:01:53
of a sudden, like they're able to have, you know, upwards of
1:01:57
300,000 people on a single Shard playing this game.
1:02:01
That would be fucking epic. But that's, that is the game
1:02:10
that I want to play, and that's the game I was promised, at
1:02:13
least in part. I would love to see we, we could
1:02:16
get there, right? I, I, I hope that we can get
1:02:18
there with the AI. You know, back when back when we
1:02:23
used to hear from a certain man about a certain thing called
1:02:25
quantum, there was this promise that there would be all these AI
1:02:30
going around the verse doing jobs, flying ships, getting into
1:02:33
fights. And it was going to be balanced
1:02:36
by the fact that the server didn't have to.
1:02:39
You don't have to render all that stuff all the time, right?
1:02:41
It's happening on the back end in the replication layer or
1:02:44
whatever. And it only has to actually be
1:02:47
quote UN quote real when a player pops into the the object
1:02:52
container, you know, now it has to be real.
1:02:55
And that's something I'm definitely still waiting for.
1:02:58
I mean, like, you know, our our org, you know, Red Scar doesn't
1:03:02
like to really engage in in straight up piracy.
1:03:06
But if it was, but if there was, if there was NPC orgs, you know,
1:03:10
and we could be like, oh, you know, that's the, that's the
1:03:13
nine. It's a nine tails convoy, right?
1:03:16
We're going to, we're going to go F up that 99 tails convoy.
1:03:19
Anytime we see it. That could be good because then,
1:03:22
you know, you're not worried about hurting somebody else.
1:03:25
You're not ruining somebody's game day, but you're still
1:03:27
getting to engage in that gameplay.
1:03:29
And I think that's something that having what was sort of
1:03:33
promised with the the NPCS in the universe would be a big
1:03:37
help. That's true.
1:03:40
No, no, in a lot of depth. Yeah, I can see that.
1:03:44
I I, I, But I mean, at the same time, I legitimately want to see
1:03:51
piracy as a game loop that players engage in.
1:03:57
I want to see the risk, you know, leaving it up 10 PCs and
1:04:02
having all that having a Shard big enough where, man, you've
1:04:06
got traffic everywhere and that makes you a vulnerable shipper,
1:04:10
You know, I mean, that's, that's like real life there.
1:04:12
There is that immersion right there.
1:04:14
Whether or not someone's going to be a Dick about just wanting
1:04:17
to grief rather than actually pirate.
1:04:19
That's a whole different thing. And we'll think like if if we
1:04:22
had like 200,000 players or something, right, Guaranteed
1:04:26
people would start organizing convoys.
1:04:29
Oh yeah, it'd have to right? It would happen.
1:04:32
Yep. You'd be like, hey, you know,
1:04:33
convoy heading out from Everest Harbor, you know, we're leaving
1:04:37
at 1800 UTC. You know, this this guy, this
1:04:42
guy and this guy will be point. And then we've got these ships
1:04:45
in the back and then you got people signing off for security.
1:04:48
And then it'd be, I mean, I'm going to get crazy because it
1:04:51
comes the whole the whole thing about like, how do you tell a
1:04:54
convoy is legit or not? How do you tell that people that
1:04:57
signed up to escort are legit? But there's safety in numbers I
1:05:01
mean. That's why you need that social
1:05:03
stuff. Yeah.
1:05:05
Oh, social stuff. Now you're getting it.