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Kenyan Atheist & Muslim Pakistanis Hear the Heart of the Gospel! | Gospel to the Nations · The Foreign Saint's Podcast

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  What were your thoughts reading the Gospel of John?
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  You know what you believe now. You know, religiously, you know
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  that that sort of thing. So my my name is John.
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  One of the areas in the year of a do I was the part was the
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  part. Let's say that before by how
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  most I am and so that I think we got a team reaction in my mind
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  trying to figure out what ads video about you.
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  Know it was Jesus statement about being the I am that
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  existed before Abraham that really piqued your.
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  Interest. Yeah, yeah.
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  What was it about that verse that really seemed to catch your
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  attention? I think before some questions,
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  the Bible take it as before Abraham once I was, but when the
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  version that I read says I am, it recounts to the experience
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  Moses had and God told him I am that I am so he spoke directly
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  as God spoke to Moses. So that that changed a lot that
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  made you realize like yes, claimed to be I am, but told
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  Moses I was. You're very right about that.
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  Yeah, that is exactly that is exactly who Jesus was claiming
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  to be. Yeah.
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  Yeah, you know, so we see, even see it in the way the Jews
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  reacted to him, right? You're not even a few years old
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  and you've seen Abraham. Yeah, that that I think most
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  most Russians take it to me like he was before Abraham.
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  Now claiming to be the God that told Moses I was is a bit more
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  complex. Do you believe that?
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  I'm still trying to figure out how everything is connected.
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  I understand I. Understand.
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  Yeah. Yeah, the the literal Greek in
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  that passage is Jesus says a go a me, which literally means I
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  am. So yeah, that is that is what he
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  said. And that's why the Jews reacted
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  the way that they did to what he said.
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  The verse that you keyed on really like brings you right to
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  the heart of the gospel. Who was Jesus?
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  Who did he claim to be? And as you so astutely seen, he
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  claimed to be God. And not just God in like a vague
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  sense. He claimed to be the God of
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  Moses, the God of the burning Bush.
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  That's who he's claiming to be. If he's lying or wrong, he's a
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  blasphemer or worse. If he's right, then you know,
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  repent and trust in Him for salvation.
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  That means that God really did the God of Moses took on human
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  flesh and chose to die on a cross to pay the penalty for the
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  sins of you and me, right? You know, so that all who would
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  believe on Him, all who would look to the Son for salvation,
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  not trusting in their own works, not trusting in their own
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  perceived definition of goodness, but just trusting in
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  Him. You died for me.
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  I believe you. I trust you.
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  I'm going to follow you, you know.
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  And. Jesus promises in John chapter
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  14, right when a man does believe in him properly, He and
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  the Father through the Spirit will make their home with him.
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  And that's that's spiritual new birth right there, you know,
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  being adopted into the family of God, you know, God's spirit
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  comes to take resonance in US, changes us from the inside out.
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  And it's a it's a wild ride. It happened to me.
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  Tell you, man, it's a it's a visceral experience.
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  Amazing. Before Jesus, I was all kinds of
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  depressed, borderline suicidal for a time, even doing a bunch
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  of even doing a bunch of homosexual activity, you know,
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  but Jesus saved me. I was born again, just like
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  Jesus talks about in John chapter 3, you know, you got to
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  be born again of the Spirit. And when that happened, like I
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  was changed, he changed me, you know, and he continues to change
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  me and grow me to this day. You say that you're in a place
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  of trying to figure out how it all connects.
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  Yeah. What do you?
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  Yeah. What do you?
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  What do you mean by that? I think the big biggest dilemma
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  is the purpose of existence. Like, yeah, from like Genesis,
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  you you have the dilemma. Like it God made man, and what
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  is his end point in making him? What a question.
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  What a question To say it simply, Yeah.
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  To learn how to love God and to learn how to love each other.
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  To say it simply right, that is true, the purpose of man.
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  And there's a there's a bunch of different ways you could say it.
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  You know, some Christians would say it like this.
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  You know, the point of man is to love and glorify God and enjoy
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  him forever. And that's true.
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  But sometimes I think people don't always quite they're not
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  always able to wrap their mind around that kind of an answer.
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  So I say it like that, you know, God's.
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  Purpose in. Creating Man was so that man
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  would learn, so that you as an individual and humans as a group
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  would learn how to receive the love of God and learn, you know,
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  from God and learn how to show the love of God to each other.
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  And in that way, just, you know, exist in an ever flourishing
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  community of love, in relationship with their Creator,
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  you know, for eternity as sons and daughters.
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  Seems like you've been given this a lot of thought before,
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  you know, before today. Yeah, because what if man never
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  sinned? What if man had never sinned?
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  Yeah, because still the population will be as it is
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  because it would have increased and multiplied.
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  Well, then, you know, then things would have been, you
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  know, perfect. You know, we humans would have
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  been able to do exactly what I just said, just without any kind
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  of hindrance, or at least without the same kinds of
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  hindrances that we have today. Yeah, true, true.
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  You know, But as fun as it is to theorize about things, you know,
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  you got to make choices in the world that you actually exist
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  in. And in this world, everyone's a
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  Sinner by nature and by choice. You know, like we've all, every
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  single one of us has done evil of different flavors in
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  different degrees. But, you know, we've all had our
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  share in vandalizing the good creation that God made, you
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  know, hurting ourselves, hurting each other, and, you know, given
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  the middle finger to God in the process.
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  But the amazing thing with the gospel is that God so loved the
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  world while we were his active enemies that he decided to take
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  on humanity, take on a human body and suffer humiliation,
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  suffer death, even the death of a cross, all so that he could
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  give us a way out of the death and ruin and destruction that we
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  created for ourselves. People say sometimes that, you
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  know, the world that we're living in now is hell.
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  And even though I don't really agree with that, you know, there
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  is punishment and judgment to come for those that don't
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  repent. But God so loved the world that
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  he chose to die to rescue us from the personal Hells that we
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  create for ourselves, you know, in trying to do life on our own,
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  you know, because that because that's really what happened in
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  the garden. You know, Adam and Eve decided
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  that they were going to define what was good and what was evil
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  on their own, separate from God. And that is at the foundation
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  that is humanity's problem. You know, we think we know what
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  good is. We think we know what evil is.
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  And so we end up trying to live according to the rules we set,
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  and eventually we end up caught in our own traps.
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  Very cool. That's that's amazing.
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  Yeah, yeah. I would say so.
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  But it's yeah, it's amazing. It's amazing to me that you also
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  think it's amazing, you know? I'm I'm trying to figure out
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  what based on I loved your hand somewhere and trying to bring
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  into mind how not just Adam orchestrated is fall, but there
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  are beings that desire that man would form.
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  Can you maybe, can you maybe like elaborate or maybe like
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  explain a little bit more? My question was before Adam fed.
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  It just seems like Eve was deceived, so she brought in the
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  chain of the whole thing. Whichever being deceived Eve,
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  what was the motive behind the being?
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  Oh, the being that deceived Eve, What was his motive?
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  Yeah, yeah. Man, that is, that is such a
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  good question. In short, that being is the
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  devil Satan his motivation. He hates God because he wants to
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  be God and so he attacks anything that represents God.
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  And since human beings are made in the image of God, the devil
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  has a very personal interest and reason to to see us destroyed.
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  And so the devil tries to leverage the justice of God
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  against the image bearers of God by, you know, tricking and
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  deceiving people and playing on our base instincts to get us to
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  sin, to get us to rebel against God and incur wrath on
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  ourselves. That's is a good point.
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  That's just amazing. But God hits Satan with the Uno
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  reverse card, and so God becomes his own image bearer.
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  You know, like God takes on the form of a man and dies that
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  death on the cross to give the way out to all of us, you know,
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  which is giving us the victory over Satan, you know, because
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  the strength and the power that Satan really has in his ability
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  to accuse you of your sins before God, right.
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  The devil's going to argue your case against you.
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  God. You shouldn't let him in.
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  He's a Sinner. Look at all the evil.
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  Look at all the stuff he's done in his life against you.
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  And God's power play is to be able to say if you put your
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  faith in Jesus, he. He can say, yeah, that's true.
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  But I died to take his penalty. Yeah.
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  And he put his faith in me to accept that payment, to accept
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  my offer of adoption. So you don't have a case
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  anymore, say true. True.
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  It's been handled, you know. So yeah, man, I just, I just, I
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  just kind of want to ask this, you know, at this point, do you
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  see yourself as a Christian now? And if not, do you want to
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  become a Christian? Like just feel like he's close,
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  y'all? I just, I just feel like he's
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  close. I feel like he's right at the
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  gates, man. Maybe I'm reading it wrong.
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  And sometimes you do read it wrong.
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  You know, sometimes you see what you want to see in people's
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  reactions. You know, we're limited.
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  We're humans. God knows the heart.
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  They know. But but I I do hope and pray
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  that I'm seeing it right right now.
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  I'm back again I think. Yeah.
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  Did you hear my did you hear my question just then?
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  I I have the part that you say do I see as a Christian.
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  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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  Do you? Well, at this point, a
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  Christianity best fits, but I want to dig in deeper.
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  I still feel like there's so much I don't know.
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  But you have let me clarify some of the I meant to question the
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  hand and you search from this point.
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  Maybe I read books on this area and figure out what the point
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  is. Zero.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I personally really
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  believe that. Like the Holy Spirit is really
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  drawing you. It's really drawn you to Jesus,
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  man. And that's not something to take
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  lightly. I just wanted to make sure that
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  you knew that this call is like a safe space.
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  If if where you're at is really a place of, you know, you know,
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  I want to put my faith in Jesus. Like if, if that's where you're
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  at, you know, like we can do that and you can still, you
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  know, learn about the Bible and all that stuff, you know, as you
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  go, you know? Yeah, I think that's that's
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  good. Like I just, I just wanted to,
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  you know, not trying to force you or nothing, but you just in
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  talking to you, man. I just, I get the feeling that
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  like you're kind of already, and, and maybe I'm wrong, maybe
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  I'm reaching, maybe I'm just imagining things.
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  But it seems to me like, like, you know, that you're kind of
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  hearing and responding to the call of Jesus, the call of God
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  in Jesus Christ. And so like, if you know that,
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  you know that, you know, like might as well, you know, might
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  as well pray, you know, might as well pray for salvation now.
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  And we can continue to talk Bible, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah, I get you. In fact, I would really want to
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  see your podcast, see what maybe what I'm missing the the whole
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  equation. Yeah, yeah, let me.
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  Yeah, I'll send you the title in the chat.
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  Yeah. So this this here is the the
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  YouTube channel. Scroll up to the top here this
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  here's the YouTube channel boss. I got quite a few quite a few
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  playlists. I'm teaching through the Gospel
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  of Matthew right now, questions and answer playlist with some
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  shorter videos on it. If you dig down a little bit.
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  But and then of course, you know, you always got access to
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  me. You know, you got my e-mail too.
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  So you can always, you know, you can always contact me, man.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  Yeah, man. That that's amazing.
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  Check on that. After this call, you need to to
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  make sure that I subscribe and I can get to view some of your
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  content. Yeah, yeah.
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  Did you did you want to pray now or?
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  Maybe we can pray, but there's still more I need to decide.
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  I've also had a book called In Jesus Apartment.
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  Yeah. So there's still more to learn.
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  Well that's definitely true because there's always more to
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  learn my friend. Life is a never ending journey
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  when it comes to learning. It's one of my favorite things
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  about life honestly. Love learning new things and
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  Jesus also says count the cost. You know, if you're going to
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  follow me, make sure you know, you know who I am and what I
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  teach. So I, I always encourage that to
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  people, you know, because I believe the more you look into
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  Jesus, the more beautiful, the more beauty you'll find be right
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  through John. Maybe, maybe you can try another
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  gospel or another book of the New Testament or Old Testament,
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  you know, whatever you know, It's all good stuff.
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  Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm going to do that,
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  yeah. Yeah.
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  Do you do you have any other questions for me or is this is
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  this kind of what you needed I. Think this is sufficient?
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  I think there's so much to learn and it's work in progress.
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  That's so true. That's so true, man.
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  Yeah, alright, man. Well, it was a it was a pleasure
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  talking to you, my friend. Yeah.
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  A pleasure on my status. Yeah, man.
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  And if it's any encouragement, man, it really seems like you're
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  right at the gates. Seems like you're right at the
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  gates of the Kingdom, bro. So keep on digging in.
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  Keep on digging in, man. I hope to.
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  I hope to hear from you again. Yeah, I'm sure that's.
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  It all right man. Thank.
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  You all right, man? Yeah.
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  You have a, you have a good day, man.
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  You too have a good day. All right, later.
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  Later. Man, y'all that dude, that dude
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  was right at the gates. Y'all, that dude was right at
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  the gates man. Man, that conversation makes me
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  think of Ephesians chapter 5 verse 14 where Paul says a Waco
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  sleeper and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you
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  man. If you hear the voice of God, if
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  you hear the voice of Jesus speaking into your heart,
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  respond, respond man, don't let that time pass.
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  Don't let that time pass, bro. That guy is right at the gates.
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  All right, pray for him. Pray him across the threshold.
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  Y'all man, Holy Father, righteous Son, King of the
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  universe and Spirit of God who gives the new birth.
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  Thank you for every fruit that grows on the vine that you prune
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  in US. The Spirit of God, we pray that
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  you would drag him across the threshold and bring him in
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  whatever the final stronghold is that's keeping him.
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  Tear that down too, and bring in another one for the Kingdom.
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  And this is foreign Saints. We're bringing the gospel to the
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  nations, and you can too. So is this also your first time
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  reading through the Gospel of John?
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  Yes, it is. It is.
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  Nice, nice. OK, so what'd you, what'd you
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  think about it? Tell, you know, tell me and the
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  listeners about it. What were your thoughts?
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  Yeah, it was great experience, I guess.
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  What do you what do you believe right now?
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  About what? Just about faith, you know,
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  Like, what religion are you? I am a Muslim.
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  Muslim. OK, All right.
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  Sunni. Shia Sunny, Sunny.
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  OK, every, everyone says that. OK.
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  I usually like to start by kind of taking people's questions and
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  comments about the Gospel of John.
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  And then me personally, I kind of like to try to push back
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  maybe and challenge a little bit of whatever it is the person I'm
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  talking to believes if if you're OK with that.
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  Yeah. OK, All right.
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  What do you what do you think about the Gospel of John?
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  What were some parts that you agreed with?
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  What were some parts that you disagreed with?
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  So I will be completely honest with you here it it's been a
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  while since I read the book. And.
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  I I I'm afraid that I even remember few part of it.
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  I don't even remember the book. Gotcha.
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  OK. All right, then we can we can
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  take a bit of a different tack in this conversation and that's
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  fine. All right, So just as a
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  Christian, I personally believe that God, the one God that
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  exists because as a Christian we only believe in one God, you
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  know, not 2, not 3, just one God that exists as three persons.
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  So one being three persons. I do not mind talking about that
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  if you want to talk Trinity, But I believe that that one God
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  incarnated as in he took on human flesh in the person of the
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  Son, Jesus Christ, to live a perfect life and choose
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  purposely to die on a cross, to take the penalty for the sins
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  that I deserve, that we deserve. And that he rose from the dead
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  three days later. So that anyone who places their
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  trust and faith in him, repents of their sin and trusts in him
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  as Lord and Savior will have eternal life, you know, here and
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  on into on into eternity. So yeah, that would be, in a
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  nutshell, what I believe the gospel to be.
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  So we believe that there is only one gold as well.
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  So same same but different. Yeah, same, same, but definitely
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  different. So yeah, let me just kind of let
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  me just ask you a question then, since I got you for a little
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  while, Why, if I were to ask you why are you a Muslim instead of
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  a Christian, what would your answer be?
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  How would you answer that? Because my parents are Muslim.
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  Gotcha. My new parents are Muslim.
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  That's fine. Gotcha.
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  OK, so so then would you say that you personally are like a
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  are a Muslim? You know, like you believe the
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  Quran, you hold to the hadith, you know the Sunnah and all
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  that. Or.
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  Gotcha. OK, All right.
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  What do you believe about Muhammad?
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  So he was the last prophet. OK.
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  And what is it that makes him a prophet?
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  Sorry, I said what is it that Like how do you know that
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  Muhammad is a prophet? Because it is written in hadith
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  and Quran and all those stuff, you know.
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  Well, all right. Well, let me let me see if I can
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  let me reverse it on you then. Do you believe that Jesus is God
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  in human form? We believe that Jesus is a
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  prophet of ours as well. Does the does the Quran say that
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  Jesus is the Messiah? Yeah.
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  What does that mean to be the Messiah?
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  What do you mean by that? Like like Messiah is a title,
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  right? Can you explain more in that?
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  Well I was asking you like the like the Quran uses this word
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  Messiah to describe Jesus, right?
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  Maybe I have I did not did not write whole Quran.
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  OK the Quran. The Quran does claim that Jesus
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  is the Messiah, so I was just wondering if the Quran also
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  defined what that meant. Hey sweet, we got a second
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  person. What's up, man?
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  Hi. Bro, hey, man, we just, you
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  know, we're just having a conversation about Jesus and
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  Muhammad, you know, the Quran and the Bible.
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  That's what we're talking about here, man.
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  You have any opinions on that? No, no.
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  OK. This person you do 4 tasks as
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  well. What was that Quran chapter 3
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  verse 45? It says that Jesus is the
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  Messiah. Yeah.
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  So I was just wondering if either one of you could tell me
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  if the Quran defines what it means for Jesus to be the
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  Messiah? Sorry I said, I was just
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  wondering if either one of you guys could tell me what does the
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  Quran mean when it says that Jesus is the Messiah?
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  I did not know that. I will be completely honest with
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  you here. Got you.
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  Got you. Yeah.
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  You know that. No, you guys didn't know that.
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  No, but the Quran says that Jesus is the Messiah.
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  Well let me search you need. I guess we are not understanding
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  the word correct the. Yeah, look up.
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  Yeah, look up Sarah 345. Yeah, it is written in the Quran
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  that it is chosen by God, right? Acting as a prophet.
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  Does that mean that? Does that mean that every
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  prophet could be called a Messiah?
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  No. OK, so So what does it mean for
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  Jesus to be the Messiah? Since being a prophet on its own
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  doesn't make you a Messiah, it has to be something else, right?
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  Yeah, right. Yeah, So what does?
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  So what does the Quran mean by this?
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  Is a special, special prophet for us.
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  And which part of the specialness of Jesus makes him a
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  Messiah? I said, what part of the
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  specialness of Jesus is it that makes him the Messiah in, you
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  know, in the Quran? Because, you know, because the
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  Bible tells us what it means to be the Messiah.
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  It's why I kind of like using this verse.
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  Yeah. You know, I mean, in short, the
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  Bible, the old. Like what is it in the Bible?
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  Yeah, in the Old Testament, the prophets say that the Messiah is
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  God in human form. That's in the.
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  That's in prophet Isaiah, so. Jesus.
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  So in your religion, Jesus is son of a God or a God?
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  He is. He is fully God.
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  Isn't it written in Bible that Jesus is son of a God?
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  It's written in the Bible that he is the Son of God, yes.
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  So who is the actual God in your religion?
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  Well you got to understand how we believe God exists right?
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  Because you guys believe, I mean we both believe in one God, but
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  you guys would say that the one God is just one person, but we
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  would say that the one God is 3 persons, Father, Son and Spirit.
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  So you can say in Christianity, you can say the Father is God,
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  you can say the Son is God and you can say the Holy Spirit is
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  God. And all three of those would be
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  equally correct in Christianity. And that's what that's what
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  Jesus teaches, that's what the Gospels teach, that's what the
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  Old Testament teaches. That's what other prophets
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  taught in the Old Testament. And so that's why I like using
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  Sir at 3:45, because the Quran will say that Jesus is the
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  Messiah, but if you look through the Quran, it's not going to
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  tell you really specifically what it means for Jesus to be
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  the Messiah, man. That's a problem for Islam
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  because that word Messiah comes from the Bible.
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  It's the only other place you're going to find that word Messiah.
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  And it means Chosen 1, Anointed 1.
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  And when the Bible describes who?
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  This and the right. Yeah, and when they're, and when
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  the Bible's describing who this Messiah is, it literally says
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  he's God, he's mighty God and Isaiah Chapter 9 and other
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  places too. So for the Quran to say that
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  Jesus is the Messiah, even though the Quran doesn't know
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  this, to say he's Messiah is to say that he's God.
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  And you know Islam obviously doesn't believe that.
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  So I would say that this is a straight up contradiction in the
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  Quran when you actually follow it through.
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  Yeah, I would love to learn more about your religion.
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  Yeah. Can you answer this for me that
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  what is the main difference between Christians and Muslims?
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  Oh, man, I would say, I would say the biggest difference, the
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  thing that really separates us is you guys believing that
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  Muhammad is a prophet. And so because you guys believe
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  that Muhammad is a prophet, you guys actually believe what he
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  says as if it's true. But, and that's what kind of
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  creates the rest of the religion of Islam.
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  But in Christianity, according to the status of the Bible,
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  Muhammad's a false prophet who should not be believed, should
• 34:23
  not be believed. So that would there's a lot of
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  differences, but that difference on Muhammad is probably what
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  creates all the other differences.
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  OK. Yeah, yeah.
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  But yeah, no, like, I mean, like I said, the Quran, like you said
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  earlier, the Quran says that Muhammad is a prophet, but you
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  know, the Bible says that Jesus is God and that he rose from the
• 34:54
  dead after he was crucified. But you don't believe that,
• 34:59
  right? Even though it's written in the
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  Bible. So why should I believe Muhammad
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  as a prophet just because it's written in the Quran?
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  Yeah, everyone has their own beliefs.
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  Well, that's true, That's true. But does does everyone which?
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  Country are you living? In America right now, I've
• 35:20
  lived. In which state?
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  To right now I think I've just moved to Florida.
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  Yeah, South Florida. Yeah, I guess you'd call it S,
• 35:32
  yeah. Which city?
• 35:35
  Miami. Closer to Orlando, not quite in
• 35:39
  Orlando, but close to it. Still.
• 35:42
  Still getting acquainted with the area?
• 35:44
  Well, you were born in USA or. I was born in America, you know,
• 35:51
  my dad was in the military, so we moved all over the world.
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  That's a lot of time living in Japan when I was in my youth, so
• 36:00
  I still miss that place a lot too.
• 36:02
  Yeah, it is beautiful. Yeah, yeah.
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  But but yeah man. Favorite city in like Japan?
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  It was actually a little island off the coast.
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  It was called Okinawa Town, its own, its own little island city.
• 36:18
  It's a small place, but. Yeah.
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  Do you have pictures of it in in your phone like or?
• 36:25
  Not this phone. No, I have.
• 36:28
  No, yeah, it's been, it's been a while.
• 36:31
  I do. I do miss it, but.
• 36:33
  So how much, how much countries you moved in?
• 36:37
  Let's see the only I've only lived in two America and Japan,
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  but I've visited a lot more than that, you know, for like
• 36:46
  vacations or, you know, trips and stuff like that.
• 36:50
  So yeah, yeah. You know, I and I became a
• 36:54
  Christian while I was in Japan actually, because I didn't, you
• 36:58
  know, I was in a Christian household, but I personally
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  didn't actually accept Christianity until I was kind of
• 37:07
  halfway through high school. I would say I had a pretty
• 37:12
  personal encounter with the Lord Jesus where, you know, I was all
• 37:17
  kinds of depressed and borderline suicidal, you know,
• 37:23
  you know, doing, you know, homosexual actions too.
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  And then, you know, I cried out to Jesus.
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  He saved me. And so you were.
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  Born Christian. Nah.
• 37:32
  What was your your past religion?
• 37:35
  Before I was a Christian, I didn't really have a religion,
• 37:38
  you know, I was just kind of living for myself.
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  I mean, even even atheist might be a bit too formal.
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  Like I said, I just, I wasn't really interested in it, you
• 37:52
  know, I was just kind of, I was just kind.
• 37:54
  Of interested in I don't believe that there was gold.
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  Right, right you. Know how old are you?
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  29. Nice, you look so young.
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  Yeah. Are you?
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  I think like you are like 2324. Years old, Yeah.
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  Oh, Nah, Nah, Nah. Yeah, you're so young.
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  Appreciate it. Appreciate it, you know.
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  Yes, yeah. By the way, are you actually
• 38:21
  married or single? No, I'm married.
• 38:23
  I'm married, got a wife and two kids.
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  Yeah, how? How is the married life going so
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  far? Man awesome.
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  I I I would not have it any other way.
• 38:38
  Having having kids is so like, blessed.
• 38:42
  Yeah, yeah, man, you know, it's, it's great to be able to, you
• 38:47
  know, praise God, praise Jesus. You know, like it's great to be
• 38:50
  able to raise a family, you know, in the, in the ethics of
• 38:55
  Christianity, I would say, because like the teachings of
• 38:59
  Jesus, they scale, you know what I'm saying?
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  Like, whether it's just you living your own life or whether
• 39:06
  you've got like people you're looking out for and taken care
• 39:09
  of. Like I would say that the
• 39:11
  teachings of Jesus and the apostles in the New Testament,
• 39:13
  like they scale up to the responsibilities that we have in
• 39:17
  life. And so it's been pretty amazing
• 39:20
  to see like, you know, because obviously you're kind of nervous
• 39:23
  when you're starting a family, obviously, can I do this?
• 39:27
  Am I really up for it? You know, and you know, what we
• 39:31
  see in the Bible as Christians is, you know, Jesus said in the
• 39:34
  Gospel of John, you know, apart from me, you can do nothing.
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  But as long as you abide in me and my word, like I'll give you
• 39:44
  the strength to be able to handle what it is that I've
• 39:47
  called you to handle, right? And it's just been it's just
• 39:52
  been amazing to see how Jesus is really in my life proven
• 39:56
  faithful in that degree. Because you know, if it was, if
• 40:01
  it was all on me, man, I'd of, I'd of been wrecked the ship a
• 40:05
  long time ago. You know, did you imagine glory?
• 40:10
  To the most high. Yeah, go ahead.
• 40:13
  No, you're good. What are we going to ask?
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  Your marriage was lover arranged.
• 40:20
  It wasn't arranged, if that's what you're asking.
• 40:24
  It's not really the culture in America to do arranged
• 40:29
  marriages. But I mean, I, I personally
• 40:32
  don't have like a problem with the concept.
• 40:35
  You know, it's just two different ways to do things.
• 40:37
  Yeah, in our country it is like a very cultural.
• 40:44
  Yeah, you know, there's and there's some.
• 40:46
  Love, love marriage. Yeah, I guess you could call it
• 40:49
  that. Yeah.
• 40:49
  You know, I love marriage, but you know, I mean, again, you
• 40:52
  know, just like, you know, when I was single looking for a wife,
• 40:55
  you know, because Christians, you know, we're commanded to
• 40:57
  pray about everything. Like that's actually a, it's
• 41:00
  actually a command in the New Testament is pray without
• 41:04
  ceasing, right? Pray without ceasing.
• 41:07
  Don't stop praying about everything.
• 41:09
  Bears are made-up there, right? Bears are made by.
• 41:16
  God, yeah, yeah, I hear. Yeah, I know, man.
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  Like, you know, I would, I would say Jesus really, you know,
• 41:23
  through, you know, the wisdom and stuff that he gives in the
• 41:27
  Scripture. You know, I feel like he really
• 41:28
  led me to, you know, the wife that I'm with now.
• 41:33
  Amazing woman, strong in the faith, loves Jesus, loves the
• 41:37
  Bible, you know, so it's been, it's been great to do, you know,
• 41:41
  just to live life and be 1 flesh like it says in the Bible with
• 41:45
  her man. It's just, it's been good, you
• 41:48
  know, I miss and it sounds so simple, but that would be really
• 41:52
  what I would say like following Jesus's like, like it's tough,
• 41:56
  but it's so good. Like it's, it's so good.
• 42:00
  I feel like I have, I feel like I've got the CHEAT SHEET on
• 42:03
  life, to be honest. How did you make the partner
• 42:10
  you? Know, we just, you know, we met
• 42:14
  overseas and we met overseas in Japan.
• 42:19
  You know, we were going to the same Bible study for a while.
• 42:23
  We didn't really start dating or courting or whatever until after
• 42:29
  we moved back till after we moved back to America for some
• 42:34
  years. But, you know, we were, you
• 42:36
  know, dated for about two years and then just kind of felt like
• 42:40
  again, Jesus was like, hey, now's the time, you know, tie
• 42:44
  the knot, put a ring on it, bro. And, you know, it's been, it's
• 42:49
  been great ever since, man. Been great up since, man.
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  Yeah. You know.
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  And so, yeah, you know, it's been, it's been good, you know,
• 42:57
  she, you know, supports, you know, the ministry and stuff
• 43:01
  that I do, you know, small as it is.
• 43:02
  But, you know, I feel like I really see, you know, Jesus
• 43:05
  moving through that and just kind of saving people and
• 43:09
  getting the good news of the gospel, the grace out there, you
• 43:14
  know. So, you know, yeah, like to your
• 43:16
  point earlier about, you know, everyone has beliefs.
• 43:19
  Yeah, I would agree with you on that.
• 43:21
  Everyone does have beliefs. But, and I'll be curious to know
• 43:25
  you guys's opinion on this, but I, I don't think that all
• 43:29
  beliefs are true. And I also feel like when people
• 43:35
  believe things that aren't true, they end up hurting themselves
• 43:41
  and missing out on a lot of potential good, you know, which
• 43:46
  is a, you know, which is one of the reasons why Christians do
• 43:50
  this whole sharing the gospel and preaching the gospel thing
• 43:54
  because, you know, Jesus commanded us to do it.
• 43:57
  And, you know, out of love for our fellow man, we're like a man
• 44:01
  like this is amazing. It was free for me.
• 44:04
  Let me offer it freely to other people.
• 44:10
  So what you do for living? Like what is your profession?
• 44:13
  Oh man, I work in medicine bro. Yeah, how?
• 44:17
  How is it? Busy here in America because we
• 44:21
  got a lot of sick people here, man.
• 44:24
  Yeah. But yeah, no, I'm, I'm a
• 44:27
  traveling respiratory therapist. So I just can't, you know, I
• 44:30
  travel around and help out hospitals that are understaffed
• 44:35
  and, you know, critical care, you know, people on the edge of
• 44:39
  death really, and to the best of my ability, helping them not
• 44:44
  die, helping them breathe, you know, that that sort of thing.
• 44:48
  I'm kind of all over the hospital.
• 44:51
  So the life is busy. Yeah, yeah, you could.
• 44:54
  You could put it that way. Yeah, but this?
• 44:58
  But this really is my passion, man.
• 44:59
  We will all die one day. We will all die one day.
• 45:05
  Yes, Sir, That's right. Yeah, you know, and that's why
• 45:10
  that's why it's important to, you know, have conversations
• 45:13
  like this because. You know you.
• 45:16
  Know Jesus, You know Jesus says in John 14 chapter 6, I'm the
• 45:20
  way, the truth and the life, you know, no man comes to the Father
• 45:24
  except through me. You know, not through, not
• 45:28
  through anybody else that comes after him, you know, And so that
• 45:34
  you know, that's, that's why, you know, that's why, that's why
• 45:36
  I do what I do, you know, trying to trying to save people out of
• 45:41
  other false religions and bring them into the truth.
• 45:45
  So what is your relationship with your father?
• 45:49
  How is it? That's good.
• 45:52
  That's good. Yeah.
• 45:54
  You know, he's of all. I say this to people all the
• 45:57
  time, like he's a, you know, best man I've ever known, best
• 46:02
  man I've ever known, bar none. So, yeah, you know, and
• 46:07
  especially now in this season of life, it's you get to a point in
• 46:11
  life where you realize that your dad was probably right about
• 46:14
  pretty much everything he ever told you, you know, So it's a
• 46:19
  it's it's just a blessing to be able to still be in a place to
• 46:24
  utilize the wisdom and the training, you know, that he that
• 46:29
  he's given. So.
• 46:31
  Yeah, you live with him? No.
• 46:34
  You live. No, we don't live in the same
• 46:36
  house. When I say we just moved, I mean
• 46:38
  like we just moved. Yeah, man, you know, like I
• 46:41
  like, you know, I like talking about Jesus, man.
• 46:44
  You know what I like to do. So you know, you guys have any,
• 46:50
  you know, other questions about Christian?
• 46:52
  Yeah. Last questions, What is the main
• 46:54
  purpose of this project? The main purpose of this project
• 46:59
  to me is to get people to know the gospel of Jesus Christ.
• 47:08
  You know, to get people to know how much God actually loves
• 47:12
  them, loves you so much that he sent his Son to die in your
• 47:17
  place so that you can have eternal life with him in a
• 47:21
  relationship with him now in this life in a way that I would
• 47:26
  argue in your case, Islam doesn't really offer since no,
• 47:32
  the Quran also says no one can come to Allah and except as a
• 47:37
  slave, you know, so it's like Allah only accepts slaves, but
• 47:42
  God wants to raise up spiritual sons and daughters.
• 47:48
  You know, the relationship with, you know, that would, among
• 47:53
  other things, that would be the point, I would say.
• 47:59
  Yeah. You know so.
• 48:02
  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, like I said, like
• 48:04
  I, I don't mind, you know, any, any questions you have, I'm OK.
• 48:08
  I usually clear my schedule for these calls.
• 48:11
  So it's, it's up to you how long, you know, how long or
• 48:14
  short you want this to be because I make myself available
• 48:18
  for the people that I'm talking to.
• 48:19
  So you know whatever questions you got or you know, you can
• 48:23
  think about it and we can talk another time.
• 48:26
  Yeah. No questions as of now.
• 48:28
  I'll pray for you and I have to go right now all.
• 48:33
  Right man, all right man. Get into the gospel, that's all.
• 48:36
  Man give it a read out, if we have any questions then we will
• 48:40
  love to talk to you again. All right man, well you got my
• 48:43
  YouTube channel now so you can check out some other content too
• 48:46
  bro. Yeah, when will this podcast
• 48:48
  will be uploaded? Hopefully with before, hopefully
• 48:54
  before Tuesday.