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All Roads Lead To MUNDI MUNDI BASH With CHRIS CHENEY From THE LIVING END · HEAVY Music Interviews

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  Speaker 1: Alrighty, So I'm Kira from Heavy Mag here today with
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  Speaker 1: none other than Chris Cheney from The Living End. Chris,
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  Speaker 1: how are you today?
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  Speaker 2: Howdy? I'm doing good. Thank you, nice to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Excellent, Thank you for joining me. Now, The Living End
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  Speaker 1: are doing the Monday Monday Bash which is coming up
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  Speaker 1: on the fifteenth to the seventeenth, and Broken Hill with
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  Speaker 1: a couple of your good mates, so Baby Animals in Mask,
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  Speaker 1: John Stevens to name a few.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have any surprises for the sold out show?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there won't be surprises if I say what they
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  Speaker 2: are now. No. I mean, we haven't been doing that many.
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  Speaker 4: Shows recently, so it's just nice to be doing a gig.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, it's like the music industry is just
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  Speaker 4: kind of it's in a weird place. We also to
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  Speaker 4: know that at the moment, and we haven't been doing
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  Speaker 4: as many shows as we probably would have liked. We've
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  Speaker 4: got a new album in the cans, so we're kind
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  Speaker 4: of waiting until that's done before we can do national
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  Speaker 4: tours and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Is really nice to be doing this and you know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we'll pull out a couple of new songs and
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  Speaker 2: get the crowd.
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  Speaker 4: Crowd gauge on it, you know, whether it's a winner
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  Speaker 4: or binner, we see and it's nice.
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  Speaker 2: To be playing with all those people that you mentioned.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny when it's like they're our mates, but like
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  Speaker 2: they were all the bands that were massive when I
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  Speaker 2: was growing up, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But we have sort of become friends with them now
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  Speaker 4: because we've done so many shows with them over the
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  Speaker 4: last few years.
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  Speaker 2: But I never thought i'd ever see the day.
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  Speaker 4: Where it'd be The Living End and the Baby Animals
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  Speaker 4: and John Stevens in the same sentence.
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  Speaker 2: You know. We were a world away from that.
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  Speaker 4: And we love them and they're really cool, but you
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  Speaker 4: just can't imagine that you're going to be on the
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  Speaker 4: same kind of bill as those guys when when you
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  Speaker 4: start out playing that you know, the front bar of
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  Speaker 4: the espie.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, too true. Yeah, I wouldn't know what to
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  Speaker 3: do with myself.
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  Speaker 1: I'd pinch myself every time it's like, yeah, they're your
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  Speaker 1: mates now and you've featured.
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  Speaker 3: On Barnsy song, Like that's just got to blow your mind.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that's that's a whole nother thing, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like getting to know someone like Jimmy, becoming mates with
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  Speaker 4: him and then writing a song for him that he records,
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  Speaker 4: doing the Barnstormers thing with him and Jules Holland and
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  Speaker 4: slingin Fanom from the Stray Cats.
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  Speaker 2: And there's been a lot of those pins.
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  Speaker 4: Yourself sort of moments over the years, and it's not
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  Speaker 4: something that you can ever imagine, like when you're fourteen,
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  Speaker 4: like I was sitting on the edge of my bed
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  Speaker 4: playing along to those people's records. It's not even in.
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  Speaker 2: Your university you think you're going to play in a
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  Speaker 2: band with them one day. But it's super cool.
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  Speaker 4: And what's super cool about it is that they're all
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  Speaker 4: really nice guys. You know they say never meet your heroes,
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  Speaker 4: but I've been lucky enough so far.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much everyone has been has been a sweetheart.
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  Speaker 3: Yeap, No, that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: And would you say this Monday Monday Bash is kind
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  Speaker 1: of like your Bread and Butter, Like you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: festival to play, you know, that real busy scene, everyone
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  Speaker 1: with the camp chairs, kind of like the Red Hot
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  Speaker 1: Summer but a three day event. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's the other weird thing about it is that when
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  Speaker 4: we first started out playing, you know, like in high
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  Speaker 4: school and stuff, that was that was a world away
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  Speaker 4: from us that that sort of audience, that kind of
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  Speaker 4: oz rock audience, you know that we're listening to.
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  Speaker 2: Back then, you know, we would get heckled basically because
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  Speaker 2: we were playing like fifties music and we would get
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  Speaker 2: people yelling out like Chisel, play some Aussie crawl, play
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  Speaker 2: some ice House whatever, you know, the big top forty
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  Speaker 2: kind of hits.
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  Speaker 4: So, you know, we always sort of thought maybe we
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  Speaker 4: could become successful in the alternative scene, but we didn't
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  Speaker 4: think that we would cross over into the sort of
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  Speaker 4: commercial scene I suppose and get played on the radio.
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  Speaker 4: So to be playing to those sorts of crowds now
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  Speaker 4: blows our mind, but it is that's that's how sort
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  Speaker 4: of that's our home ground, I suppose. Now, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we seem to have crossed over and we've become one
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  Speaker 4: of these bands who has these anthems and things that
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  Speaker 4: people come along and they've become staples, and it's become
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  Speaker 4: the living in is like a household.
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  Speaker 2: Name, which is just blows my mind still.
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  Speaker 4: But in answer to your question, yes, that is very
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  Speaker 4: much our sort of crowd. And you know it's great
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  Speaker 4: to have not just one or two songs, but a
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  Speaker 4: whole set full of songs that people sing along to
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  Speaker 4: now and it just it's the most amazing thing for.
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  Speaker 2: Us to have that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you really guys, You guys have really hit
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  Speaker 1: that status. Like you guys are Aussie icons, like for Australia,
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  Speaker 1: you're massive and everyone knows a loving End like you know,
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  Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed to go to a pub and
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  Speaker 1: not hear a living End song.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: But speaking of that's so because it need to just
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  Speaker 2: be like you know, originally, when Prisoner hit like twenty
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  Speaker 2: five years ago or something, it was like, wow, that
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  Speaker 2: was nice having a kind of hit single. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you don't think it's going to last.
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  Speaker 4: So we feel so blessed to be here now and
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  Speaker 4: to be you know, on the cusp of releasing album
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  Speaker 4: number nine. But we've had, you know, songs from record
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  Speaker 4: that people recognize. So that's really cool because we always
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  Speaker 4: wanted to be a song band, you know, we didn't
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  Speaker 4: just want to We knew we had a gimmick with
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  Speaker 4: the double bass and with the way that we looked
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  Speaker 4: out background, and we knew that we stood out. But
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  Speaker 4: that just often means that you come and go as
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  Speaker 4: you know, as quickly as that, you know, so to
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  Speaker 4: get sort of staying power.
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  Speaker 2: And to have a career.
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  Speaker 4: I suppose it was really important to us, so we
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  Speaker 4: always focused on writing songs. It had to be a
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  Speaker 4: song there before anything else. So I think that's what's
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  Speaker 4: the enamels to kind of stick around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And you can sit there for hours going
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  Speaker 1: through that and holy fuck that's off that album.
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  Speaker 3: Holy shit, that was them too, Like you guys really.
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  Speaker 1: Have kicked us like continuously for years. So yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a huge.
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  Speaker 4: Been around the box like a few times, I guess, yes, which,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you can think of it two ways.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's easy at this age to kind of go, man,
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  Speaker 2: where did all the years go?
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, I feel really blessed that
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  Speaker 4: we are still around for a start, be that we
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  Speaker 4: were around during such a golden period in Australian music
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  Speaker 4: to come along when we could go and play on
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  Speaker 4: Recovery on a Saturday morning or Sunday morning, whatever it was,
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  Speaker 4: and then we'd be playing the big day out, you know,
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  Speaker 4: touring that, getting getting a song on like high Rotation
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  Speaker 4: on Triple J and all these really exciting things that
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  Speaker 4: were happening. I don't mean they still happen now, but
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  Speaker 4: it's a different it's a different kind of scene.
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  Speaker 2: The industry has changed, and you used to sell records
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  Speaker 2: for a start. That's almost impossible to do these that
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  Speaker 2: people would be excited about the record, and you do
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  Speaker 2: in stores.
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  Speaker 4: So quite nice to sort of think, well, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 4: we're not the newest band on the block.
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  Speaker 2: But I still think you know, one thing about.
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  Speaker 4: Us and is that there's a lot of fire still
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  Speaker 4: in when we play, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: fuel left in the tank. And when that starts to
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  Speaker 4: run low, I think i'll probably I'll probably call it
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  Speaker 4: at that point, because you know, we need to be
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  Speaker 4: an energetic, you know, vibrant.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of band. If it starts to sound tired and old,
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  Speaker 2: that's when that'll be the end of the band. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure of it.
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  Speaker 4: But at the moment, you know, the new record is
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  Speaker 4: probably the most aggressive sounding thing we've done in years,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm pumped.
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  Speaker 1: All right, that's even better. Well, that's surprising that you
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  Speaker 1: said that, because I pictured you guys as no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: No, We're going to be doing this till we fucking
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  Speaker 3: dropped dead.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be very surprised if you did, like, maybe not
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  Speaker 1: with the living en forever.
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  Speaker 3: But I can't see you guys not ever playing music,
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  Speaker 3: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't think anyone can.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of bands out there who
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  Speaker 4: have just continued on and it becomes embarrassing, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I know it's very difficult.
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  Speaker 4: It's easy for me to say that, it's very difficult
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  Speaker 4: for them to pull the plug. But I always admire
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  Speaker 4: like the Police and the Jam, you know, like these
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  Speaker 4: kind of I mean, the Police have done reformation shows,
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  Speaker 4: but a band like the Jam, who one of my
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  Speaker 4: musical heroes, this English band from late seventies, you know
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  Speaker 4: they got to know they got to twenty one or something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just went right, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: The Jam are always going to be like a band
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  Speaker 4: for the kids, played by pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Much kids themselves at that point.
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  Speaker 4: We will never become that tired old dinosaur rock act.
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  Speaker 4: And he just pulled the pin and they've never ever
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  Speaker 4: done a single show, and it's kind of like, I
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  Speaker 4: kind of admire that, but but as a fan, I'd
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  Speaker 4: love to see them play. But because seeing them play
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  Speaker 4: it wouldn't be like seeing them back in nineteen seventy.
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  Speaker 2: Eight or something, so I was.
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  Speaker 4: I said that I'd never been playing Prisoner of Society
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  Speaker 4: at the age of thirty and so that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We said that, what is that song that you guys
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  Speaker 1: go out on stage and you know you've got to
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  Speaker 1: play that song or you're pretty much going to.
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  Speaker 3: Get fucking egged off stage, Like, what is that song?
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  Speaker 3: Is that Prisoner of Society?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it used to be Prisoner.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was always kind of what people knew they
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  Speaker 4: thought of the living there and then they.
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  Speaker 2: Go, oh, yeah, okay, it's that bad.
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  Speaker 4: But White Noise almost sort of eclipsed that, which was
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  Speaker 4: really great because because we didn't want to be known
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  Speaker 4: as just that sort of one hit wonder band, So
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  Speaker 4: that kind of that's almost more gets a bigger reaction
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  Speaker 4: almost to our shows than what Prisoner does now, which
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  Speaker 4: is really nice. But then you know, songs I all
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  Speaker 4: torn down like that's like as far as streaming and
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  Speaker 4: stuffs is a huge song, and you know, that was
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like a well I just thought of
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  Speaker 4: it as an album track at the time, but probably
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  Speaker 4: you know, if we didn't play prison then we'd probably
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  Speaker 4: have people yelling out.
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  Speaker 2: For it, I suppose.
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  Speaker 4: But I kind of think you've heard it, you've heard
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  Speaker 4: it for twenty five years. Give a play in different Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, for Monday, Monday, we'll just maybe we'll
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  Speaker 4: just read the crowd and we'll.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see how we go. It's it's always a highlight
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  Speaker 2: of the steps still, you know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like so it's people always go, I don't get
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  Speaker 4: sick of playing, and it's like, well.
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  Speaker 2: No, because it's never dull ever.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this one's probably basically a you question. You're a
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  Speaker 1: really creative person. So do you writing and producing music,
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  Speaker 1: you do painting, you do all.
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  Speaker 2: Sorts of that.
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  Speaker 1: How do you keep yourself satisfied and nurture all your
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  Speaker 1: creative hearts?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, by doing those different things. I kind of haven't
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  Speaker 2: done any painting for a while. I've got all my
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  Speaker 2: stuff set up in this garage.
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  Speaker 4: I've got like a little studio set up here you
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  Speaker 4: can see over there, and I've got like painting stuff
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  Speaker 4: over here, and at the back i've got a bar.
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  Speaker 4: I've got like a record thing over there. So I've
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  Speaker 4: got sort of the four corners of my world in garage.
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  Speaker 4: But I haven't done painting for a while. But what
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  Speaker 4: I was finding when I was during lockdown, really is
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  Speaker 4: when it started. When we couldn't do shows, I started
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  Speaker 4: painting a lot, and if I didn't paint during the day,
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  Speaker 4: I kind of got to the end of the day
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  Speaker 4: and didn't feel sort of satisfied. It's like people with fitness,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you don't go for a run, you're
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  Speaker 4: just not quite right in the head for the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the day.
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  Speaker 2: And that's how I was feeling about the painting. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm generally sitting here every day kind of writing songs.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm.
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  Speaker 4: Even going to use them for, maybe for other people
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  Speaker 4: or for the next solo record. So yeah, I've always
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  Speaker 4: got to sort of keep moving, I suppose, and keep
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  Speaker 4: creating something. It's just I feel a bit flat if
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  Speaker 4: I sort of finish finish a day and I haven't
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  Speaker 4: created anything, which it's okay to do that, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: kind of I sort of have to force myself sometimes
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  Speaker 4: to like to do it, even if it's a shit song.
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  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, it's like, well, at
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  Speaker 4: least I wrote something today, and then you get through
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  Speaker 4: that and then the next day like something better.
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  Speaker 3: That's it appease the brain for the day.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So if you could go back to before your debut
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  Speaker 1: album and you're just putting away playing music with Scott,
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  Speaker 1: nothing's popped off yet. What's an hour them or a
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  Speaker 1: band that you wish you could give to your younger
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  Speaker 1: self and go check this shit out.
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  Speaker 3: This is going to change your life.
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  Speaker 2: Huh? What do you mean like a band that exists.
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  Speaker 1: Now that or even one that you wish that you
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  Speaker 1: found earlier in your life. And I going, fuck, if
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  Speaker 1: I heard this like ten twenty years ago, this would
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  Speaker 1: have just changed my.
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  Speaker 3: Rocked my world.
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  Speaker 2: Ah yeah, who was I thinking?
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  Speaker 4: I think about someone the other day that I, oh, well,
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  Speaker 4: culture is all we're talking about them earlier. I was
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  Speaker 4: saying to my daughter the other day because we were
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  Speaker 4: driving home from school and Flame Trees came on the radio,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's just tonight it's Jimmy, Like she just knows. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of like uncle.
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  Speaker 4: Jimmy, you know, it's kind of yeah, Grandpa Jimmy just
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  Speaker 4: three sort of more of a family friendship than anything else.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, she's seen him on stage the Red Hot
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  Speaker 4: Summer gigs and things like that. But you know, I
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  Speaker 4: was sort of saying to her, Yeah, well, you know,
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  Speaker 4: Jimmy was a different, different character back then.
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  Speaker 2: He was an absolute wild man. You know. She was
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  Speaker 2: asking about different songs.
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  Speaker 4: And I said, look, to be honest with you, I
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  Speaker 4: never liked them when I was a kid, and when
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  Speaker 4: I first started playing guitar, I was into like bon
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  Speaker 4: Jovi and Eddie Van Hayten and you know, the guitar Shredders.
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  Speaker 4: And then then the fifties thing came along, so again,
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  Speaker 4: like that oz rock thing, I just completely dismissed it.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have any appreciation for it at all.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, maybe twenty five or something after our
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  Speaker 4: first record came out, and you know, it wasn't until
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  Speaker 4: quite quite later in my life that I started hearing
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  Speaker 4: different songs of Chisel and going ah, man, they were
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  Speaker 4: really good, like like their ballads and their harmonies, and
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  Speaker 4: hearing all the different writers of the band and hearing
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  Speaker 4: the passion and the heart behind it. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: how did I dismiss this? And the reason why was
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  Speaker 4: is because it was just every every man music. It
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  Speaker 4: was just it was seen as kind of bog and rock,
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  Speaker 4: same as ac DC. But I love them, but that
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  Speaker 4: would be a band that I'd probably go back and say, Okay,
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  Speaker 4: you know, listen to these guys and understand the diversity
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  Speaker 4: in what they do, because at the heart of Chisel.
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  Speaker 2: They're just an almighty rock and roll band.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, quite literally, and you have to yeah, hats off.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you're going to see in most of this
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  Speaker 1: next Monday Monday Bash as well. And like he's just
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  Speaker 1: a genius and I feel like he's so underrated. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: enough people I don't know talk about him or give
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  Speaker 1: him the praises from back in those days as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he's just an absolutely master of guitar
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  Speaker 2: player and you know, and obviously a beautiful singer, great songwriter. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: but he's yeah, I.
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  Speaker 4: Mean he's anyone who plays guitar, I mean knows that
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  Speaker 4: he's just the best.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 4: It's like he's really it's like an extension of himself.
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  Speaker 4: He's one of those guys that plays lessly that I'll
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  Speaker 4: just stand there on the side of stage and just
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  Speaker 4: shake my head because and he always takes chances to
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  Speaker 4: That's the thing I like about Ian's playing.
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  Speaker 2: Can you hear what he's done on his records and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but you see him live and he switches it all up.
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  Speaker 4: And you can see him like, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 4: he's thinking on the spot and he's going for stuff
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  Speaker 4: that he hasn't rehearsed it. You know, he's just a
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  Speaker 4: master of the threat board and it's like he just
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: goes wherever he wants to go. And that's so inspiring
• 15:26
  Speaker 4: him as a musician to not just be kind of
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: going through the motions and playing the same thing that
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: you play the last three hundred nights of.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: The tour because we've always we've always tried to do
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: that too. We just go off on a tangent sometimes
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and it can be an absolute train wreck. But when
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: it's not, you know, that becomes the.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: Special moment of the show where people are kind of
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: it's like it's like a thriller, you.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Know, they're sort of they're gripping on, going, oh, is
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: it going to fall apart? Or is it going to
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: be amazing? And sometimes not, fuck it fell apart, that's okay, But.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: That's also like a sign of people who love what
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: they're doing. And true muso is like you have bands
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: these days that can't even play an instrument, you know,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: and they can release four albums and just produce it
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: on a computer where they're seeing that in real life.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: To me is like, oh yeah, inspiring.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's what you're into. Yeah, I mean there's that.
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: I think there's definitely room for both. I think, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, the Ramones couldn't play and the pistol shouldn't
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: play very good.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: But thank god for them.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: You know, so many there's so many great players out
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: there who just put me to sleep. I just can't
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: Danny are just so introverted in their playing.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: But hey, that's what they don't want to do. That's cool.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: But for me, you've got to you got to find
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: that balance. And that's I think that's what the best
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: rock and roll bands are, the ones that can keep
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: it simple when they need to, but can also blow
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: your mind with their you know, with their.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Chops, you guys, case in point Hello.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: Sometimes you know, sometimes we're guilty of disappearing up our
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: own you know what. But again, that's all right as
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: long as as long as you find that balance. You know,
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Like we've had moments where we're just kind of like refusion,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: kind of odd time signature kind of things. And I
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: don't know why we do that, because it's the last
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: kind of music that I really listened to, you know.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: I mean I studied guitar after high school and there
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: were a lot of the other guitar players that I
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: studied with were like into Alan Holdsworth and all these
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: guys who played this incredible stuff. But again, it just
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: puts you to sleep, you know. It's like it's so
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: mathematical that it's like, no, just just give me an
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: otis reading record. But sometimes on stage kind of go
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: into these crazy channels and we're just try and out
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: clever each other, and.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: So you go like, hey, are we doing this?
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: It's quite You'll see any photos of the band when
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: we're all all up and he's drum kit it Scott
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: nice sort of move up towards him. I always think
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: photos at that, and some of the faces we're pulling
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: is extraordinary concentration. And then we've got this telepathic kind
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: of language going on where it's like what are you doing?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what are you doing? I
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: don't know what's he doing. We're just following each other
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: until one of us like makes the call and then
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: you kind of break it some and yeah, those are
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the it's easy to do that in my three piece.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and you guys have been playing together for
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: so long, it would be like telepathic. We're on let's go,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: let's fucking ride.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: It kind of is.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: That was awesome. You've just made my day. It was
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a great chat.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: No worries, thank you. I'm really looking forward to the gig. Yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: it's extra.
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: We have so you know, we're we're getting getting primed
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: and yeah, we're.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Going ready and it's sold out too, so you know
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it's to be huge and it could be ansme awesome.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah,