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Cardinals’ First Half Breakdown + Home Run Derby Predictions · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to Cardinal Territory. Kyle Gibson, Lance
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Lynn here with me. Jim Hayes is on a break.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: So it is Lance and I today. It is All
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Star week, so we got a little bit of Cardinal
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: news we're going to talk about today. But Lance, you
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: and I are just gonna sit here and talk a
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: little bit about the All Star game, little Homer in
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Derby and we get a two show Jim Hayes hiatus.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: So I think maybe on Thursday would be a really
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: good time to bring in, like, you know, maybe the
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  Speaker 1: biggest name guess we can uh and just have Jim
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  Speaker 1: watch it, you know, after fact, I know how he's
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: going to tune in obviously and see how we did.
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: But you know, we'll have a big guest on Thursday
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: and see if we can make him jobs. Maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see many Sideline guys taking an All
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: Star break as a true all Star break, but you
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: know that's Jim for you. You know, he likes to
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: work very minimal and get paid the most. So we're
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: seeing that right now. So I'm not surprised that he
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: took his break. He expects us to join whenever we're
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  Speaker 2: on things, but you know, not him so here.
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: Asking us to asking us to join in, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just random things. I'm out doing yard work the other day,
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  Speaker 1: he just joined in. I'm like, no, I've already got
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  Speaker 1: Tarps off. I'm not joining in on a podcast when
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  Speaker 1: Tarps off doing yard work.
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  Speaker 2: Jim, but he run across that run across the range
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  Speaker 2: to get through your WiFi please so you can get
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  Speaker 2: in right and kicking.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly right. The expectations are high, except when it's
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: All Star break for Jim. So, uh well, it's it'll
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: be a fun one today. I think talking about the
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: All Star Game and the home run derby is is
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  Speaker 1: Uh this is kind of the halfway point almost, but
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  Speaker 1: it gives a lot of fun things to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, celebrate first hast for some players, because there's
• 1:46
  Speaker 1: obviously been some players that we feel like should have
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  Speaker 1: been in the game that didn't get in the game.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, now that it's Monday here, All Star Game tomorrow,
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  Speaker 1: they're probably not going to add anybody unless we have
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  Speaker 1: some you know, a crazy injury or somebody can't pitch,
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  Speaker 1: or but who do you have out there in your
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  Speaker 1: mind that should be in Philly, you know, either in
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  Speaker 1: the home run derby or you know, ultimately in the
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  Speaker 1: game tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think everyone's kind of it's the
• 2:12
  Speaker 2: obvious that it's in it's in Philly, and and Wheeler
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  Speaker 2: wasn't added from the get go, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the biggest and he's he
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  Speaker 2: said it in media. It's like it's it's disrespectful, as
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  Speaker 2: a slap in the face. There's so many positives for
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  Speaker 2: why adding him with you know, the thrastic outlet surgery,
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  Speaker 2: and then what he's done on the field this year
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  Speaker 2: and dominated, and it's in his home ballpark. So the
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  Speaker 2: fact that he wasn't an original ad or whatever you
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  Speaker 2: would call it. You know, you have your van your
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  Speaker 2: fan vote and your player vote and all that for
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  Speaker 2: players and pitchers, and then that he wasn't the first
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  Speaker 2: in right away, I understand why he's upset. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: like we've all said, we've gone through it. I've gone
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  Speaker 2: through it, and I think Cleveland and nineteen they were like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: if you can, if you'll pitch in the game, will
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  Speaker 2: add you. And it's like, hey, I've got the first
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  Speaker 2: game back and back then I think we came back
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  Speaker 2: on a Thursday night, so I was like, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: can't pitch in the game and pitch for my team
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  Speaker 2: on Thursday. I guess if you don't think I deserve
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  Speaker 2: to be there, then don't. Then don't add me. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to pitch. So every year
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  Speaker 2: you'll have something like this. But it sucks that it
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  Speaker 2: was in his home ballpark and they did it to
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  Speaker 2: him like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't I don't really understand. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit last week. I don't
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  Speaker 1: really understand the point of not adding him. You know,
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  Speaker 1: he's got one of the best dras in the league.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he missed what three starts maybe you know,
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  Speaker 1: he still has almost one hundred innings. He qualifies for
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  Speaker 1: the ERA I think with ninety two or ninety three
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  Speaker 1: innings and he's ten and one. You know, he just
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  Speaker 1: won his last game and punched out ten and six innings.
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  Speaker 1: I think kind of has a little bit of here
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  Speaker 1: here you go. I won't be there. But I don't
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  Speaker 1: blame him at all. I mean, you know, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: it would have been great, you know, to stay there
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  Speaker 1: in Philly. He might stay there in Philly anyways, with
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: it being you know there, but you know, it gives
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  Speaker 1: him maybe a chance to go to his hometown and
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  Speaker 1: spent a couple of days with some family. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's a battle. I think. The one that stands out
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  Speaker 1: a little bit to me, and as I was looking
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  Speaker 1: into it, is Mickey Moniac. You know, he missed a
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  Speaker 1: few games, you know, on the I L. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's only got you know, maybe just under two hundred
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  Speaker 1: at bats or something, but he's got a nine to
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  Speaker 1: twenty ops. He's got almost twenty homers. I think, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he's missed some games, but you know there's other players
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  Speaker 1: also that have been named before that had missed some games.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't know, I think that's a tough one
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  Speaker 1: for me to see a guy who probably doesn't get
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot of love because it's in Colorado. You know,
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: they're they're struggling obviously, but man, he's been one of
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  Speaker 1: the better NL outfielders except for the time that he
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  Speaker 1: was you know, on the shelf on the I L.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, there's always gonna be these guys. But
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  Speaker 1: that was one position player that, man, it just didn't
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  Speaker 1: make sense why he didn't make it. The other thing
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: that I think stands out to me is unless you
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  Speaker 1: get saves, you're almost not considered for this All Star
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  Speaker 1: name as a reliever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like it's minerary believers don't exist. Really,
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  Speaker 2: minerary lievers aren't real people. As Jesse Chavez used to say,
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  Speaker 2: we don't exist. Just abuse this and let us go
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  Speaker 2: about our day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm looking. I'm looking at the list,
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  Speaker 1: and I kind of looked through a few of them.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Luke Weaver's got a one a d R
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  Speaker 1: and almost forty innings. You know, Tyler Rogers has forty
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  Speaker 1: three innings and a one point sixty RA. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's quite a few guys. You know, a guy like
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  Speaker 1: Jacob Latz gets in, Brian Baker gets in. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they've got the saves and they've got the leverage innings,
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  Speaker 1: but these seventh and eighth inning guys get no love
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  Speaker 1: whatsoever for this All Star Game. Is that ever gonna
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  Speaker 1: change or is that just because you know, starting pitchers
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  Speaker 1: and saves kind of takes the cake in the All
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  Speaker 1: Star Game?
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  Speaker 2: Is there people who make a lot of money they
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  Speaker 2: won them at the All Star Games, and usually guys
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: who get saves and starters make the most money, so
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  Speaker 2: they're the ones you want at All Star Games. Is
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: the best pitcher know, it's who has some numbers and
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: the most money and the bigger names. And then you'll
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  Speaker 2: get every once in a while you'll have the year
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  Speaker 2: where you know, where guys have such great years you
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: can't keep them out. But closers will always get in,
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  Speaker 2: especially if they're up in the top saves. They play
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  Speaker 2: for big markets, they make big money. Same with starters,
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  Speaker 2: unless you're a Wheeler. That's the only one I've ever
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  Speaker 2: seen that is that's that was so obvious. Then they
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  Speaker 2: messed it up when it's in his home ball parking.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's been an All Star the last two years.
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  Speaker 2: So but yeah, I would say, no, it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to change unless you have a zero E. R A
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  Speaker 2: As a middle or you know, six seventh inning guy.
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  Speaker 2: That's the only way you get in. You see it
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  Speaker 2: very few times over our career, over the span of it,
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  Speaker 2: where a guy gets in without without having saves.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy, crazy because those guys, you know, we've got holds,
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot of things that you'll help those
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  Speaker 1: guys get some recognition. But yeah, that was one thing
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: whenever we see relievers have good first afts and just
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: get left off as not much you can say in
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  Speaker 1: the locker room other than man, if you're a pitching
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  Speaker 1: the ninth, then you'd be in the All Star Game.
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  Speaker 2: Well that Joe Kelly used to always say, closers have
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  Speaker 2: it the best because their eras are lower than everyone
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  Speaker 2: else is because they're bad. Inning never goes bad because
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  Speaker 2: it's just a blown save and it's one earned or
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  Speaker 2: two earned. They can never give up five, so they
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  Speaker 2: can't have it. As you said, you can't have a
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  Speaker 2: shitty era because you're a closer. The game is over
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  Speaker 2: and they can't give up all your runs. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: you come in and give up all my runs, but
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: I don't get to give up all yours. They just
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  Speaker 2: stop the game. Thanks. So yeah, great point, typical joke, Keller,
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  Speaker 2: Great point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Well, the reliever for the Cardinals that
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  Speaker 1: got in, Riley O'Brien really excited. You know, hopefully he
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  Speaker 1: can get it inning and have a little bit of fun. Uh,
• 7:49
  Speaker 1: let's move to the home run derby. You know it's
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: going to be a little different set up, like they
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: almost kind of like they used to do it. You know,
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: each hitter in the first round is going to get
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  Speaker 1: twenty swings, not twenty pitches, not a time limit. It's
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: gonna be how many of those swings leave the ballpark.
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  Speaker 1: You cannot end your round on a homer. So you know,
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  Speaker 1: if your twentieth swings a homer, you get a twenty
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  Speaker 1: first swing, and if that's a homer, you get a
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  Speaker 1: twenty second swing. So I think it'll be a really
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  Speaker 1: cool setup. Get hot at the end, and you can
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  Speaker 1: make up a lot of distance, make up a lot
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  Speaker 1: of room. So I think it'll be a lot of fun.
• 8:25
  Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned before just a few minutes ago.
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  Speaker 1: You know, are we gonna have people taking pitches? Well, possibly,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, the goal here is to watch people
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  Speaker 1: hit homers. And I don't think it's gonna be any
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: longer than it was, you know before they did the timer.
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  Speaker 1: But I think it's good we get timers out of
• 8:40
  Speaker 1: the game for a little bit. Let let these guys
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: sit up there and hit some homers, watch them a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, admire them a little bit, and it'll be
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of fun. So let's start with who
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: is your pick to win, and then we're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: something fun where we draft the other six guys and
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: let's see who has more homer total at the end
• 8:58
  Speaker 1: of the night.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: You can let me go first, Yeah, you go first,
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  Speaker 2: go for all?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I'm going with Swarves right out
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: of the gate, and I knew you would probably pick
• 9:07
  Speaker 2: him too, so I'm glad you let me go first.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: I was expecting to get a second pick.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: No, I Shwarves Sharps was gonna be my pick. But
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna stick with the Philly connection and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick Harper. I think, uh, I would be
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: in a lefty I think I mean citizens mank is
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: a phone booth, right, So I mean everybody's gonna be
• 9:32
  Speaker 1: hitting hitting homers there. But I do think the lefties
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: probably have a little bit of an advantage with right
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  Speaker 1: center versus left center. So I'm gonna go Harper uh
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  Speaker 1: as my pick to win. And you know, he's he's
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: the greatest showman. They call him that for a reason,
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: So uh, he's gonna he's gonna try to dip into
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: that Philly magic. And I think both those guys are
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  Speaker 1: gonna have some.
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  Speaker 2: Fun, all right. I like that one. Then now we go.
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  Speaker 2: Now we got those are winners. Now let's figure out
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: our rest of our team. Get you will go, We'll
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: go Snake Draft, So you go?
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Now, I think all right? Yeah, all right, So I
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go to a Arriety and I'm gonna
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: go to the raining champ. I'm gonna go to cam
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  Speaker 1: and Narrow Uh to be my second pick.
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with I'm gonna stay left him and
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  Speaker 2: go with Rice.
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  Speaker 4: Man.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: He's got a bunch of homers this year toom.
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: Uh? Oh, Snake Draft. You're right? So you got Shoreburn? Rice?
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Am I going? Am I gonna stay lefty? Am I
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: gonna go? I think I'm gonna go heavy lefty. I
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: like there's nothing watching better than watching lefties swing and
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: hit home runs. I just remember Griffey Jr. And then
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: uh and Hamilton back in the day at Sammich So
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: was it always say his name wrong?
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah? All right, all right, so you've got all lefties
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  Speaker 1: Shore Rice and Kaglion, Uh, Harper, Kimon ro Uh. You
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna go with Walker because I'm you know,
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna take him making my third round selection, and
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: you know what, I don't. I feel like rookies and
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: young guys struggled a little bit, so this might be
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit uh of a of a risk here.
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: But murk Commy, I wonder. Nope, Nope, I'm going Contrarast.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: I'm going with I'm going with the guy who who
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: loves the line the spotlight too, So I'm gonna go
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: with Walker Contreras. I think I'm gonna avoid I've already
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: got Walker my first year home run derby guy, so
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna avoid having two of those guys.
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go mry commy. All right, sounds good to me.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I thought I was getting.
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: I thought I was getting contrasts at the end. To
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  Speaker 2: be honest with you, that's why I picked the way
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  Speaker 2: I did.
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  Speaker 4: Round.
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  Speaker 1: No, I think it would. That'll be fun lefty heavy
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: with comy for you. Yep, right here we go. It
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  Speaker 1: should be a lot of fun. You do all right? Good?
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. It's Lince Lynn and Kyle
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: Gibson here talking about some Cardinal baseball, some All Star baseball.
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: So if you missed the first part, go ahead and
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: rewind and you can listen to the whole thing. But
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: no Jim Hayes today the Big Cats on All Star Brave.
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: But Lance, the Cardinals just finished up the first half
• 13:53
  Speaker 1: with another series win against the Braves. Really close game yesterday.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: You know, a couple unfortunate things happened with a clear
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: hit bitch uh and then you know unfortunate air there
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: in the ninth any. But what do you think about
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals how they face the Brewers lost the close games.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: You know, the Brewers are just playing really well right now.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: But you know they come back and get the series
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: win against the Braves. What kind of momentum can the
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Cardinals use from that first half finish to come in
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  Speaker 1: after the break and play well.
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: No, I think that, you know, I think you're looking
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: at a team that in general has played let's say,
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: above expectations, and they just keep doing it. So now
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: I think we're starting to see what we should expect
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: from them, right they bounce back every time they get
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: kind of kicked and knocked down a little bit, and
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: you start seeing them they figure out how to win series,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: or they figure out how to not get swept. They
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: keep games close, they do They're doing a lot of
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: the little things that you need. So I think, all
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: in all, the first half was a huge success, and
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to, uh, you know, seeing how they
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: how they come back after the break, what it looks like,
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: what they're you know, you know, what they're their ideas
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: are going to be. So yeah, I think I think
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: that into the end of the first half with the
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Braves winning the series, doing what they've done, all in
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: all has been a you know, a great first half
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: if you if you look at you know, what the
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: projections were to start the year. So now after the break,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: we get a regroup and see what we uh, you know,
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: what we're made of and what that push looks like.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: You know, we've all gone through it, you and I.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: It's a difference down the stretch when you've got to
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: go for it and you're you know, you're trying to
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: make playoff pushes, so they put themselves in a good
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: spot to do that. So I think all fans should
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: be excited for that.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, probably not going
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: to come down to a head to add season series
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: win for the Cardinals when it comes to the wildcard spot,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: but it's always great to have, you know, the Phillies
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: have been playing really well. Uh if they do pass
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: the braves when and at least Cardinals stay and where
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: they're at, that could be kind of a big, a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: big season series win when comes out last spot for
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: the wildcard. So I think that's always a good thing
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: when you're being the teams ahead of you. Obviously they
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: played really well in this series. You know, they would
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: have had a chance to walk it off if not
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: for obviously that kind of weird hit by pitch instance
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: that clearly Ali didn't like. Uh. I did like to
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: see the fans they were they were on their feet,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: given all a nice round of applause. Is he walked
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: off the field after being thrown out, and uh, hopefully
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: we can get maybe a little bit of lip reading
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: on that interaction because I think all that kind of
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: right there.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: It's specially when he gets going. Some of the things
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that that that comes out of his mouth are special.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: And I think he tied Whitey Herzog for a second
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: all time for most ejections. So he's getting his name
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: where it needs to be for the Cardinals all time manager.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: The only person he asks to catch is Larusa, And
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: then you're looking at hey, if you if you managed
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: long enough to beat Larusa and Whitey and ejections, you've
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: done it right. So he's on pace.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: I like it.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. The ground ball there, obviously, the Mason unfortunate,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a Gold Globe guy that I don't know, obviously was
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: hot human who knows. I'm guessing that ball just got away.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: But like I said, the Cardinals playing really well down
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: the stretch. One thing that they have not done well though,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: is they haven't finished games against the Brewers. What did
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: I mean? Obviously, the Brewers are really good, you know,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: one of the best teams in baseball, not only record wise,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: but just how they're playing. You know, they're a team
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that always outperforms expectations. People expected the Cubs to kind
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: of run away the last couple of years with this
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: division and the Brewers just keep coming back and doing it,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: you know, with with big time starts like from Harrison.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: I mean they Misowski's obviously turned it into an ace.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think the Cardinals need to do here
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: in the second half? You know, I don't know how
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: much they're going to be able to close the division gap,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: but when it comes to a three game or a
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: five game series if they play the Brewers, what is
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: something that the Cardinals need to do in your mind
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: to possibly come out on top because it's really tough.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I feel like when a team has your number, kind
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: of like a Brewers seem like they have this year.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when you see a team like that
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and the Brewers just don't give games away, right, I
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: think that's the main thing down the stretch. The Cardinals
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: are a young team, So when you play a team
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: like the Brewers that do not give games away, usually
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: younger teams will make that mistake or not make that play.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: So I think down the stretch, not worrying about so
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: much Milwaukee is when you're down the stretch here, it's hey,
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: how can we make that play or get that one
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: hit or strike that one guy out to win the
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: game or situation or a series and stuff like that.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And as a young team they're able to do it
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: for the most part all year so far, but for
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: some reason it's Milwaukee. They don't so realize that, hey,
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: just because you're playing Milwaukee and you don't have to
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: have or it doesn't have to be to have to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: you have to make it more than it is just
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because it's a division opponent. You know, in the playoffs
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: that will be heightened if you get there. But right now,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you have to take one game at a time, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: every team that you're playing the same way. It's how
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: do we stay in the game, how do we not
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: give them the game or give them a situation to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: have the upper hand in each game. And as a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: young team, if you start doing that series game in
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and game out series as you go down the stretch here,
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: that will make it easier to accomplish those things in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the playoffs, because every true playoff team will be like Milwaukee,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: where you can't give them that one little thing that
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: might give them an edge in a game. And it
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: seems to be like every time the situation happens, Milwaukee
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: makes the play or the Cardinals don't quite make the play,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: or something happens where it's always in Milwaukee's favor. But
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: figure out what those are and be aware of them
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: and figure and fix them just as the time goes
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: on this season, so you're ready to go when you
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: know playoffs do happen. Hopefully.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This was one thing, excuse me, that we talked
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: about in Baltimore before twenty twenty three, having a young team,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: having a team that you know on paper wasn't just
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be a runaway for frequent the playoff spot. We
• 20:11
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• 20:14
  Speaker 1: things so that we're not giving extra outs, we're not
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: giving free bases. If we do that, then we're gonna
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: have a chance to win every game. I think that's
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: something the Cardinals in the second half is going to
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: be important. Playoff push everything is when you're facing these teams.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: It's one thing that Milwaukee does really well. They don't
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: give you extra extra chances, and when you're facing those teams,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you can't give in. You can't give extra chances, you know,
• 20:37
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• 20:40
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Cardinal Territory. Lance Lynn Kyle
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Gibson here. No Jim Hayes and kind of a nice
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: back and forth. Ya haven't had to deal with some
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: of his questions every now and that he comes out
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: of right field, you know. Anyways, we got two weeks
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: here basically, once they get games going until the trade deadline.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the schedule now, they're in Arizona, they're
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: in LA. They come back home for one game against Arizona,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: and then they have Cincinnati for three before they have
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the Cups come to town. And then the Toronto first
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: game is right before the deadline. So important two weeks here,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I think you know, as former players, I think you
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and I both are in the same boat here, is
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: that we want to win. We want the team to
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: add people at the deadline, not subtract. I know there's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: a long term plan here for the Cardinals. Him's got
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: a plan in place. We'll see, you know how this
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: happens at the deadline. But with a few teams here,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: especially the start, that are beatable and teams below you
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: in record and standings. You know, three six, you got
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: ten games here to open up with teams that are
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: not as good as you on paper. How important do
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you think these next two weeks are or do you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: think the mind's been made up here? And even if
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals go on a stretch of you know, eight
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: and two here in the first next ten, does it
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: matter or what's your thoughts on that?
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: I think an eight and two might be like, Okay,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: what can we add that isn't going to let's say,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: deplete our system. You know, what are some things that
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: we're okay with giving up to give this a go?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: So I think an eight and two does that? Does it? Two?
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Does it? Two? And eight automatically go to what the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: you know what the game plan was all year? I
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: don't know if that does either. I think they're in
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a weird boat because you're looking at you're starting to
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: see some young guys. Well with the extension to JJ,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I think there might be some other guys that could
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: be in that ballpark. Two. And as you know, when
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: you have a lot of young guys, there comes a
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: time when everyone needs a forty man spot. So I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: know that they should have a good idea when these
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: guys are coming into needing the forty man spot all
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: that good stuff. So there's usually three or four guys
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that are going to be let's say expendable because you're
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: not going to have a room for them, You really aren't.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So who are they? What can they get you to
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: help this team not only this year, but maybe even
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: next year and help your window. So I think that's
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: where that How can we add by giving guys away
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: that are expendable because our forty man roster with Because
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: here's what everybody needs to realize. This team's really young.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So your forty man roster is already up there and
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: it's young in age, but it's also you have all
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: these guys that are coming behind them and double a
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: triple ay. As you and I have seen in our careers,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: is you're going to have to get rid of some guys.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: So why not get rid of them in a fashion
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: to make a playoff push? Because it makes it a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: little bit more worth it, that's my opinion. So I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: makes you to see if they do something like that
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: where it's like, hey, we're not giving up any of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: our top ten prospects, but pick prospects from eleven to
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: twenty might not ever get a chance because we don't
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: have forty mini spots for them. So how can we
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: use those guys to get us big League guys now
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to make this push, so I makes you to see
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: if they do something like that.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I do think it's very interesting because I think we
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: both believe that there's a few guys on this team
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: that contenders are going to want and can really be
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: difference makers. You know, Jojo Romero is a really big
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: left handed arm out of the pen, and he's been
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball well. Dustin May is the starter that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: you know, we both would probably like to see stay
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: here long term. Yeah, I mean, it's it's a it
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: shouldbutioning Riley O'Brien. You know, I know Age seems to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be a factor there, but with team control, you know,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a really good arm. If you're adding
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that to your pen, you're probably not going to have
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: him a closer if you're a contender. But my word,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you put that stuff into seventh or eighth inning, that
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: really shortens the game for you. The thing that I
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: think is interesting here the next two weeks, if you
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: look at Miami and Philly is their schedules. I probably
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: think that Saint Louis needs to be either tied with
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: or ahead of Philly or Chicago to really press the
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: hand here of the front office. So when it comes
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to Philly, they play the Mets, open up the Dodgers Yankees,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and then Miami. Miami plays in Milwaukee, and then they
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: have San Diego mixed in. I think they have a
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: lesser team in between the two, and then Philly Chicago
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: plays kind of middle of the road teams. I think Detroit,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Pittsburgh and maybe one other team. But I think it
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: should be if the Cardinals, by the time they're playing
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the Cubs, if they have a chance that series will
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: be over before the deadline. I think those first two
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: games of that four game series could really press the
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: hand of time in the front office. And if the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Cardinals win those first two games that series, and they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: played well in the ten before and now all of
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a sudden you're a game or two ahead of the Cubs,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I think it really forces the hand a little bit
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: to say, hey, I think this is something that we
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: need to add. If you have a rough ten games
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and now the first game against the Cubs doesn't go
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: your way and you're three games behind Philly, your two
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: games out of the wild card, you're six behind Cubs,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna have a choice other than
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to kind of go with their long term plan. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: don't love it, but that's kind of how I see
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it working out.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I'll make to see what they do. Man, You've got, like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you got guys that are on the forty man that
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: have been passed by people, but they're still young and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: they still have some value. And then you have forty
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: man guys that are going to have to be added
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: to the roster next year that are in Douba Tribaa
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: that are high prospects. So what are those guys that
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: have been quote unquote passed over by the people that
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: are already on this roster that are even the same
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: age or are younger. How can you use those pieces
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: to get something to like make it? It at least
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: gives a little bit like, hey, hey, we're adding some
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: things that are going to help you because you know,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: we're giving these guys a chance to move on because
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: it didn't work here. They've been passed by you know,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: someone below them or you know younger, whatever it may be.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: They just just hadn't worked out for him here. So
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, they have some pieces that can bring back
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: even rentals. Right, It's like, hey, we're gonna have to
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: do some roster crunching anyways, So let's get something for
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: him now and then maybe they can go for another
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: team and have some sort of success. But for us there,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: they've been kind of they've been passed, So let's see
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: if we get something for him now. So I'm anxious
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to see what the break and tails of how they're
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: going to do it, because, as you know, when you're
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: super young as they are, you're gonna lose guys because
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: of how young you are because you can't hold onto
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: everybody with the four man the way it's going to be,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: and they're gonna have to add things externally next offseason
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: to start the push too. So what are some pieces
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that are young that are on your forty man that
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you can maybe start adding for next year now with
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: those guys, because you know you're gonna have too many
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: guys on the forty man, so there's ways to do it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I'm anxious to see it, but I'm all for adding now,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: but also have control over what you're adding now, especially
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: if you have a lot of assets that are all
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: going to be tied into forty man spots at the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: same time, you can't ever everybody go to arbitration. You
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: can't everybody go to free agency. You can't everybody need
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to be on the forty man at the same time,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: or you're in a shit problem. So I'm anxious to
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: see how how how he maneuvers all this because there's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: been a lot of those things going on right now.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Definitely gonna be a lot of shuffling. I think that's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: one of all those points you made are one of
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I think trading some of these guys
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: away and packaging them to get certain pieces that it
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: really makes sense going forward. But I get it, we're
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: into the future. You want to give these guys as
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: much time as possible to figure out who's going to
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: be your long term and see which of those guys
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: you're gonna need, you know, down on the farm later on.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: But all right, Lance, until next time, Well, you know
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what I want to mention. I don't think we got
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the chance to congratulate Avon Herrera on the All Star Game.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: It was after Thursday Show. Huge congratulations to Evon. Herrera
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: has been a staple now the last few years for
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: these Cardinals. Has hit the ball so well as catching
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: his defense. He's really worked hard on it. The hands
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: far away from the body, really excited for him. So
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: good luck to avon the All Star Game, good luck
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to Jordan Walker tonight in the home run derby in
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and Riley O'Brien hopefully he makes
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: it in the game and throws will also. But we'll
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: see you guys next time on Cardinal Territory where we'll talk
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: more about the second half and enjoy the All Star
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Break and enjoy Home Run Durban the All Star Game.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: And we'll see you next time on Cardinal Territory. Thanks
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: for