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Sex, Death, Politics & Connection with Chris Ryan · onefjef

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  How did you find out that these doctors were like sexually like open by having sex with
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  parents?
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  At least some of them, like in case they were.
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  This is episode 28 of onefjef.
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  28 sits at a strange crossroads, a perfect number that ancient mathematicians treated with
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  awe and the capstone of a four cycle run long seen as the threshold into real adulthood.
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  It shows up in the body's lunar-leaning 28 day rhythms that shaped early time keeping and
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  folk magic.
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  And in Kabbalah, it matches coach potential giving 28 the feel of a quiet engine number,
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  one that completes a cycle and hands you the power to move forward.
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  Hello my friends, Jef Taylor here, back in my makeshift recording studio here in Columbus, Ohio.
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  I did not have a guest for this week's episode either, but fortunately I heard from Chris Ryan earlier today and he said he's going to release
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  the episode that I recorded with him for his podcast tomorrow and I asked him if he could send me the audio so I could
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  release it on my podcast as well and he graciously agreed.
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  So I'm going to release this conversation on my podcast tomorrow because it is more of a conversation than it is an interview and I think it suits both of our podcasts in that sense.
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  So in a sense my guest today is Chris Ryan.
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  Chris Ryan is an author and podcaster best known for sex at dawn where he argues that early humans lived far more cooperatively and less monogamously than we assume today.
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  He has a PhD in psychology, a taste for dismantling tidy modern narratives and a podcast called Tangentially Speaking where he follows his curiosity into conversations about culture, evolution and how mismatched we often are with the world we built.
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  I'm truly grateful to have had the opportunity to meet and be on Chris Ryan's podcast.
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  I've been a fan for several years and yeah it just kind of randomly happened. Life is random sometimes.
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  Hey trans subscribers, thank you so much. I appreciate your continued support as always.
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  Okay thank you very much.
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  Anyway I hope you enjoy this conversation with Chris as much as I enjoyed having it.
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  Thank you for listening. Thank you for being here.
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  Here is me and Chris Ryan sitting outside his house in Creston Colorado, overlooking the San Luis Valley.
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  All right ladies and gentlemen, I'm sitting in the morning sun here in Creston Colorado with one Jef Jef one F Jef not one Jef Jef one F Jef Jef one F Jef Taylor.
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  And this will be an interesting podcast because I don't remember exactly what it is that I found so interesting about you when we met for a beer.
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  But I do remember thinking I should do a podcast with that guy he's interesting.
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  I did watch your film.
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  Which didn't you send me coverage of the 9/11 one? Yeah right.
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  Yeah I remember the quote I wrote down the quote to remember there's a you're asking me what what inspired me to make that.
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  And there was a burrow's quote what was it sexual arousal results from the repetition and impact of image.
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  It's kind of a and that movie crashed by Cronenburg.
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  Did you ever see that one?
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  People who get sexually aroused by car crashes.
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  I've never seen that. It's quite people hate it but I actually loved it.
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  But it's not a well-liked Cronenburg film by any means.
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  Wasn't there a film called Crash that won the Oscar? Yeah not that one. I see that one. That was a controversial one. That was controversial.
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  But this one this one is controversial but nobody saw it so it can't be.
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  I mean they're like you know blood and semen mixed in the car seats.
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  Right. The books actually even better.
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  Croninburg's a little intense. He can be sure.
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  Yeah.
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  Okay but let's talk about that quote a little bit because I watched the film and I was it's very interesting.
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  A couple it opens with what seems to be erotic failure.
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  Yeah.
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  The guy can't get it up or can't calm or something.
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  Yeah.
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  And so there's this sort of like impasse and awkwardness and all that and then 9/11 happens and he finds his mojo watching the twin towers come down and then the
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  drama and the Zeus.
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  But so burrow's quote that eroticism or erotic charge comes from repeated viewing of an image.
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  Yeah. A repetition and repetition and impact of image.
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  But what image? Not just any old image.
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  Right. Right. Right.
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  I mean an image of an naked woman. Okay. But and also. Okay. So two two things. What kind of image and also
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  I would think that that would be less applicable to women than to men given that women sexuality is less visual than men's.
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  Sure. I agree with that. I mean I think it was that quote combined with the somewhat phallic nature of the World Trade Center and the fact that they were playing it.
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  I mean that week or two. I mean it was all day every day.
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  Or America under attack.
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  I mean it was unbelievable.
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  Yeah.
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  Like literally the whole week you couldn't watch anything.
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  But the world that the stateman appears to be referencing the widespread media coverage following the September.
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  Attacks on the World Trade Center indicating the news related to you shut the fuck up.
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  What happened? You got to leave that in.
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  That's weird.
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  Hey, I just time that's weird. It kept recording while that happened. Well, I hope it got it.
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  That was very strange. Okay. Well, if if it's recorded, I guess we'll leave it. Yeah, you don't.
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  The book you acknowledge is jumping. Hey, I'm fading your podcast. That's never happened before.
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  Yeah, I was in Spain when it happened. So I didn't I wasn't subjected to that. Oh well, good. Yeah.
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  But it's interesting to think that the collapse of the World Trade Center would be fall like I would think that would cause more erectile dysfunction.
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  Well, yeah, I guess that's I guess that the public could probably make it into some sort of erectile dysfunction commercial if they really wanted to.
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  Yeah, do you remember soon when they first opened the World Trade Center, the new museum, the new power and the museum in there for the very beginning.
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  They sold a like a United States shaped cheese platter and it had like the dots where the planes had hit on a cheese platter.
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  Yeah, they got rid of it pretty quickly. I guess they're collectors items now.
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  I don't know. It was a very misguided. How could you collect a cheese platter that would but I mean just to use that 9/11 on a cheese platter seems like if you bring that out at a party, it's not going to lift the mood.
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  It's going to be like, oh, well, that's a yeah. Did you like the movie? Yeah, yeah, it was disturbing. Sure, certainly.
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  My mom liked it, which made me happy. That's good. My dad not so much. What was your dad's complaint? He never really said like he didn't really complain about it.
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  I think he was just troubled by just the whole thing. My mom's quote was that I'll always remember she's like, honey, you nailed it. You nailed it.
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  I was like, I'll take that one. I'll take it. So what do you think? To me, it was a kind of spoke to the Freudian you know, arrows and danatos, the death impulse and the erotic impulse.
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  Sure. And intertwined. Sure. Sure.
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  You know, and it made me think about when I worked in hospitals in Spain, I found, you know, in Spain, a lot of doctors are women.
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  And I found it. I really enjoyed working in hospitals and hanging out with doctors because they seem to be uninhibited sexually.
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  Really? And we talked about like, why are you so uninhibited compared to the normal Spanish person? And generally their take was when you're around death, you lose sexual inhibition.
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  Huh. Because there's something about sex that's very, it's about life, right?
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  It's about life force. And so when you're around death, there's an impulse to cultivate the life force.
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  How did you find out that these doctors were like sexually like open by having sex with them?
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  Apparently, apparently. Apparently. At least some of them. Like in case they were women. Yeah. No, I was doing research around, I was doing a PhD research where I was specifically studying the doctors who deal with a lot of death.
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  And I was a psychologist and intensive care physician. And so I was interviewing them and then I was teaching English. So I would, you know, focus my teaching.
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  So I take students who were working in specializations that I found interesting. And so I met a lot of them and we talked a lot.
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  Yeah, it's interesting. And then I've spoken other people who, you know, talk about war being very erotic.
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  Right. Any kind of anything where there's a lot of drama and life or death stuff seems to reduce inhibition and increase libido.
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  I should have had you come speak at one of the Q&A's for the film. You could have explained that. It's just my take on. No, it's an interesting take. I had a lot of interesting reactions to that.
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  People did walk out of the theater. People would write me. I got like emails. People would write me. And some people were like, I had like, you know, once you finish a film, it's not yours anymore. So whatever I think it is, you know.
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  And some people's interpretation of it was really there was some very unique interpretations of the film. But it didn't do terribly well on the festival circuit.
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  We got into a lot of erotic film festival like the porn film festival in Berlin or something, which is very big. Apparently.
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  And like we were in the scenic kink and that's a touring, a traveling erotic. And like we played right after like this.
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  I've never experienced this before in my life, but like, you know, our block. I don't know right before our movie. There was like we walk into the theater and it's just a big full screen just just fisting.
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  Right. Yeah. Yeah. Which yeah, I don't think I'm not surprised it didn't do well because it's not it's not a porn film. It's not a raw. I mean, there is a radicism, but it's not sexy complex. Yeah.
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  Did you get accused of making light of 9/11? Yeah, and I could always like, I mean, my argument there was like, well, I mean, isn't my I'm just I'm just pointing a finger a lot of it was also about the mass media's like, you know, over saturation of the so a lot of my argument was like, well, no, I text for what I was pointing a finger at. It's more the mass media.
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  Yeah, but it wasn't a lot of that actually. Yeah. Yeah. But it almost got into Sundance. So that was.
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  It was good to find out that it almost got in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is that the only film you've made or no, I've made, I mean, a handful.
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  And I made after that was that that got into Sundance and that was like, I'd gone through a horrible breakup.
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  With the actress, it was in coverage actually. And the actor who was in coverage went through a horrible breakup as well.
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  So we got together and decided we're going to make some very quick and easy thing and provides and had no real intent to make it anything. We were going to make a feature, but we never finished it.
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  We made it into a short spent like 500 bucks and you know, edited it a lot. And then, yeah, submitted it to a bunch of festivals.
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  One festival took it. The nobody else and then Sundance took it. And what's it about? It's basically just a guy in his like mid to late 30s.
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  It's a very, it's like more of a mood piece than a, but it's a guy in his mid 30s just kind of struggling to come to terms with the end of his relationship that he thought was going to go on.
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  And trying to figure out what his life looks like post relationship and understands the nature of the breakup and why and so forth and so on.
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  And then he takes flight classes and flies a plane into a building. There you go. Yeah, that's coverage part two. Yeah. Right. Right. The sequel. Yeah, that could be a prequel actually maybe. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Because I wait a joke. Yeah, I did to do a sequel.
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  Yeah, we had all sorts of that was a funny film to make because like the jokes that we would make like, Disaster Bating with the term we came up with for the Easter.
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  Disaster Bation. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I mean, I wonder if there is an erotic component to what's going on.
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  I mean, I know you worked in politics for a while. So I wanted to get some of your thoughts on the political scene. But you know, as we're speaking, it's what Tuesday.
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  Yeah, 21st.
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  After the no Kings marches on Sunday, which Trump responded to by releasing an AI film of himself bombing American cities and shit.
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  Yeah, amazing times we live in. I mean, who?
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  Honestly, at a certain point, I feel like you just have to like, I mean, it's a sad laughter, but it's a laughter still like is like, I mean, how far off the rails can this country go?
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  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I could. Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's scary. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I feel like there's so many things happening. You know, they say they're flooding the zone, you know. So it's sure. Right. Exactly.
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  Yeah. Exactly. And it really works. It works very effectively because the things that happened even three months ago. It's like, I don't even remember a lot of those because it's one thing after the other.
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  Underneath it, although I think I was talking to a friend of mine from the Lincoln project. My podcast a couple a couple weeks ago. And she was basically saying that, you know, Trump is more like a cudgel, right.
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  It's really easy for for the Democrats to use Trump like the organization we worked like they can predict that we worked for who a little bit leery of saying, but because I send an NDA, but if I don't say anything bad about them, I think we're in good shape.
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  The argument was always democracy versus Trump, right. But like what even is democracy in America anymore? Like do we have a democracy? Like when's the last time we had a real democracy in America?
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  And it's like Trump is a very convenient figure to make the overall enemy, but really it's a systemic problem. It's a systemic collapsed problem. And I think the Democrats are almost just as comfortable using Trump as a cudgel as the Republicans are to use them as their tool to get everything they've ever wanted.
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  But it's not everything they've ever wanted. The wants are new. Right. What Republicans used to want was conservative. Yeah.
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  And Trump's anything but conservative. I think some of them sure, but I think there's a certain handful of them that have had like a long list of things like which project 2025 or whatever it is.
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  Have had a long list of things that they wanted to get to do and they just needed like a like a clever buffoon to put in there as the figurehead and then they can behind the scenes just kind of do whatever they want. Yeah. Similar to the regular administration. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  And then we have other TV right screen presence to attract attention while we do our things. Right. That's actually interesting. I think this is like times 10. I mean, it's crazy that they had the same.
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  So they both make America great again was both of their slogans. Well, it was morning in America morning in America. Same same thing. Same kind of a memory baseball had. Right.
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  Now there's a lot of the same kind of racist rhetoric. I went to the Trump store in Branson, Missouri. I was on my road trip across the country and I went to the you know into Branson because there were no Branson.
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  It's something to see. It's something to see. Yeah. It's like a combination of like it's like a combination of Las Vegas Niagara Falls.
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  I mean, it's in the Ozark. So it's like, you know, it's pretty. But you know, I think there's like 30 mini golf courses in the area. There's like a whole replica of the Titanic. It's a strange town and every member of Yachtguff smear. Yeah. Yeah.
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  I thought he was dead. I didn't even know his life. He's got a comedy club there called Yachtguff. It was going to go see him, but he wasn't doing that.
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  Brush is not funny. What's he doing now? You know, that's a question like you know, right? Yeah. How does he doing? Yeah. Anyway, Yachtguff. We're not. Yeah. And they have more, more theater seats than New York City in Branson, Missouri.
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  And in what is like Grand Old Opera kind of? It's all it's like washed. It's a lot of washed up. I think old stars that. But yeah, I think it's like after you go on the Grand Old Opera, maybe you go to Branson and just do a run there.
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  Like you're not you're not up to Vegas. Yeah, something like that. And you're kind of like Jef Foxworthy. Well, you're a peel is there like it's a different appeal than Vegas. It's like it's a different, you know, it's a south. So, you know, Southern Missouri.
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  Anyway, there's a Trump store. There's actually two. So I was like, I got a, you know, how many times you get to go to a Trump store? And yeah, it was something else. I mean, it was crowded. There's an animatronic Trump outside like, you know, waving at you all sorts of.
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  And all the hats, you know, golf of America, blah, blah, blah. And then the one hat that I noticed if they're all Trump slogans, you know, make it.
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  It's filled with no golf over there. There and for president. And then one of them just just one of them just said titties.
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  But it was in like, you know, it had an American red, white and blue. It was a shirt. That was just a hat. I said titties. Yeah, titties.
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  How can you argue with that? No, no. It was only one that was unrelated to politics or Trump, which was interesting. Yeah, almost bought it. But no, no, $40 for a titties hat.
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  And where are you going to wear that? Yeah, for Halloween, maybe, but even then. Yeah.
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  When, what are you going as? Right. I mean, a hooters manager. I don't know if a hooters manager would, I mean, that's a little, some of them would, I would think.
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  And then there's a Jesus store right on the street from the Trump store, which I went to as well. But Jesus, it's like Jesus merch, right? It's like Jesus merch.
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  And it's like very similar to the Trump store. Very surprisingly similar to the Trump store, actually. It's just a different character.
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  So have you been paying attention to politics your whole life for, I mean, you mentioned that you worked for the Lincoln project. We can talk about that or not, depending on your comfort level.
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  But was your work with them because of an interest in politics or is just a job in your video editor? Yeah, it really kind of randomly happened. I've certainly, like I've paid attention to politics for a good portion of my life on and off.
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  I mean, during Obama, I didn't really, because you didn't really, I guess, have to do as much because it was just normal.
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  But yeah, no, I got, I got during COVID, it was 2020. I got laid off. I was working in a marketing at Hollister, like the clothing, we're selling clothing jeans to teenagers. Right. Hollister, which is a tiny town in California.
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  Yeah. And they've had though, they, it's not based on that. That's not at all what the clothing brand is based on. I think there were some sort of a lawsuit settlement.
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  Yeah, I remember reading something. Yeah. Well, I were crumbly and bitches had their own share problems and that's the parent.
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  Yeah. Right. But, but yeah, I got laid off from there during that summer and a buddy of mine, and this is when the Lincoln Project, which is starting to get really big. And the buddy of mine from New York, I called me, he's like, oh, I know we got the Lincoln Project. They're looking for somebody.
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  And weirdly enough, I'd already been making like weird Trump mashups. You know, I made just weird videos for the Lincoln Project. Like funny, weird, you know, satirical blah, blah, blah.
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  And I'd already made some weird things. I don't really know why, but it felt, you know, it felt fun. Anyway, so I already had worked to show him. And so, yeah, I was only supposed to work there for three months.
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  And it was crazy. I've never had so much like, you know, as a video person, you don't, you know, it's about how many people see your thing right to a great degree.
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  Like the first thing I made was like, it goes on up one line. It's like a million people who's watched it in five hours. And it was just like, whoa, dude. So that was fun. And, yeah, but no, never intended to get into politics.
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  And don't plan to do that again.
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  Four and a half years was enough. Why is that?
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  It's a complicated question. But, A, I would say primarily because my job required me to like watch, I've seen more Trump speeches than probably most people on the planet.
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  Right. Like I know his bits. I would watch him hone a routine, you know, this, you know, the toilet stone flush. You would hone that and get laughs from that. He's just to end up comic at heart when he does these rallies.
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  And in watching CPAC, you know, CPAC, I have to watch the whole week and we'll be blocked off to just watch it. Yeah. That'll write your brain. Right, right.
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  And so I know a lot like, you know, I know where I was familiar with who Charlie Kirk was. Like I know all these people in the, and it just became, it became, yeah, it became hard to live in that darkness.
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  Yeah, you know, beyond that, like just not even just watching the right wing content. It was more like just experiencing the, I feel like rot and griff that is politics in general.
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  From the inside to a degree, right was.
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  Yeah, so you did your experience. I know we have an and he ate it. I'm walking on the line here. But we're not, I'm not talking about the Lincoln project specifically just your general insiders view of politics did not leave you inspired and hopeful.
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  No, I mean, I know I feel like a lot of politics is a is a grift. Yeah, there's a lot of people making a lot of money off of politics and.
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  And I think that's the heart of the problem with our political system in general is money. Yeah. There's a, I think it was a, Mrs. Arria Montana. I heard there actually the state is trying to, for this, that they're trying to basically take take the corporations can donate to, and that could hold up because the Supreme Court has a lot of precedent on states rights.
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  Like, right. And that what was the, the Supreme Court case that allowed court that said money is free speech and citizens United. Yeah. Yeah, that that's based on states regulations of corporations.
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  And so Montana saying well, then we can regulate the corporations are not allowed to spend money on politics and apparently that's totally within the Supreme Court judgment. So it doesn't even need to go back to the Supreme Court. Right.
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  That's interesting to find a way to make it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because you know, my concern is like, in order to get money out of politics, you got to find a candidate who's, you know, you know, an anti corporate candidate.
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  But you know, 95% of the time the candidate with the most money wins. So how do you even get the money? You need to find some insanely wealthy, you know, progressive to actually run.
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  But I don't know any insanely wealthy progress. Who's willing to risk his life? Right. Because if he gets close to winning, then the, then the, yeah. Yeah. The powers that be will move. They're not going to let, yeah, they're not going to let anything that would truly change the system. Right.
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  Right. In, into power. You know, that Frank's apple line that politics is the entertainment division of the military, the right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right.
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  I think about that a lot. Right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. It is cynical and jaded as I am about American politics. It does feel like what's happening now is something qualitatively different. For sure.
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  You know, Obama was blowing up wedding parties in Yemen, but he wasn't releasing videos of himself shitting on Chicago. You know, right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's just like contempt.
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  And also it seems to me that they've already decided there aren't going to be more elections so they don't give a fuck. It seems very much like they're trying to make this a one party country.
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  And whether they can do that or not, I don't know like there is some buffoonery in that administration. Fortunately. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. It's like it's like there's a pilot flying the plane who is blind drunk and has no idea how to fly the plane.
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  But yet I think there's a few people in there that aren't blind drunk or anything like that. And those are the ones that are really put pull in the levers like what's that Stephen Miller. Yeah. That guy's a demon.
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  And he's the person who's doing most of this immigration madness. But yeah, it certainly seems it certainly seems like.
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  And you try to think of times in history that have been similar to how bad this is. And like I am not very good with the history. I don't know.
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  But like what like early 20s something like that. I mean, there were bad periods in America. I just my question I guess is when I think about is like how do we get out of this? Like people, how do we return to normal? What does that even mean? How does that happen?
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  I don't even I don't see the country being able to do that. I think that the return to something. But whatever it is isn't going to be what this what normal what we define as normal. Right. Yeah.
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  So I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it feels like we need to hit rock bottom. You know, when I think about times of significant change like Teddy Roosevelt going after the monopolies and make, you know, railroad company.
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  But, yeah.
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  - Right.
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  - In the early 20th century, you know, the country was at the brink of revolution.
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  And then you think about, you know, the sort of regulations coming into effect in the 1920s,
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  after Upt instant Clair wrote the jungle describing the meat packing plants and the rats and the
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  pieces and all the shit.
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  And then, "Okay, we'll do some regulation."
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  And then, you know, and then FDR with the New Deal, or was it the New Deal, yeah.
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  Yeah, great society was Lyndon Johnson.
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  You know, it's like, I think there needs to be, the country needs to be on the verge of revolution
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  before they're, and then they'll just give you enough to quiet you down.
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  - Right.
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  I mean, it's also maybe a war of some sort.
• 29:02
  I mean, some sort of the catastrophic event to cause a reset.
• 29:06
  - Yeah.
• 29:07
  - But unfortunately, we have to live through that catastrophic event in order for the reset
• 29:10
  to happen.
• 29:11
  Or if Trump dies, I mean, he's never going to die though.
• 29:13
  He's going to live till then.
• 29:14
  The fuck is going to live till he's like 100 probably.
• 29:16
  - I think he's like, "Lassy."
• 29:18
  I think they've got like 10 trumps in the green room waiting to say.
• 29:22
  - You might be right.
• 29:23
  You might be right.
• 29:24
  Or if they, I've three days, they'd be like, "Well, we can burn these things."
• 29:27
  They just go, "Yeah."
• 29:28
  - Yeah.
• 29:29
  - I'm very nervous.
• 29:33
  - I don't know.
• 29:34
  I don't know.
• 29:35
  I hope, I mean, that's what people say.
• 29:36
  It's like, when he's gone, they don't really have anybody to jump in.
• 29:37
  But I don't know that I agree with that.
• 29:39
  I feel like, well, but like you said, he's got so much stage presence and twisted kind of
• 29:46
  charisma.
• 29:48
  I don't see anyone else in the wings who can command that kind of attention.
• 29:56
  - No.
• 29:57
  - This is a weasley little fuck.
• 29:59
  He really is.
• 30:00
  - Yeah.
• 30:01
  - Everyone knows it.
• 30:02
  He doesn't inspire any kind of fear or admiration.
• 30:05
  - Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:06
  - I don't know what the hell's happening, man.
• 30:08
  That's why I live in the middle of nowhere.
• 30:10
  - Yeah, it's a solid idea.
• 30:12
  I don't know what kind of want to get out of the country, but we'll see if I can make
• 30:15
  that happen.
• 30:16
  - Well, you live in Mexico City for a while.
• 30:18
  - I was there for a month and a half or so earlier this year.
• 30:21
  - Right.
• 30:22
  - After I lost a job.
• 30:23
  - Yeah, I loved it.
• 30:24
  I'd never been to Mexico City.
• 30:25
  I had no idea what to expect, but boy, something going on down there.
• 30:29
  I really liked it.
• 30:30
  - Yeah.
• 30:31
  - Yeah, it's a beautiful place.
• 30:32
  - Beautiful place.
• 30:33
  - Beautiful people.
• 30:34
  The warmth of like the Latino culture really is like, somewhat like as an American, it's
• 30:40
  like at first it's like a little off-putting and then you're like, oh, they really are that
• 30:43
  friendly.
• 30:44
  They're just, I really like that.
• 30:46
  - Yeah.
• 30:47
  - Yeah.
• 30:48
  - The vibes are better.
• 30:49
  - Yeah.
• 30:50
  I've spent a lot of time in Mexico.
• 30:52
  I like it a lot.
• 30:55
  It's always hard for me to wrap my head around the evil Mexican assassins and the cartels and
• 31:02
  all that because my experience of Mexican people is like kind and kind of simple in a good
• 31:09
  way.
• 31:12
  But I guess it's similar to my experience of Africans as well and they can manifest things
• 31:20
  go wrong in Africa.
• 31:21
  - Right.
• 31:22
  - Should get really crazy.
• 31:23
  - Or even in America.
• 31:24
  I mean, I find most people I meet when I'm driving across the country, everybody's super friendly,
• 31:28
  you know.
• 31:29
  But there's certainly a darkness.
• 31:32
  - Yeah, I read something recently.
• 31:35
  I think it was on Substacks, somebody posted, if you want to hate America, watch the news,
• 31:41
  if you want to love it, drive across the country.
• 31:44
  I try to request the country and I've had a lot of wonderful people actually.
• 31:49
  Yeah.
• 31:50
  I've never done that before.
• 31:51
  It's a large country we have here.
• 31:53
  - You really never driven across the country?
• 31:55
  - No, I mean, when I was young, we drove with a family trip from like, you know, higher to
• 31:59
  Aspen, you know.
• 32:00
  But never like just, you know, all the way over to California and then down through.
• 32:05
  Yeah.
• 32:06
  And, you know, I was unemployed.
• 32:08
  I'm still relatively unemployed and I was like, when else am I going to have a chance
• 32:12
  to do this, you know.
• 32:13
  And yeah, it was great.
• 32:14
  50 days, 49 days.
• 32:16
  - Well, that's a, okay.
• 32:18
  That wasn't an interstate highway drive.
• 32:20
  That was meandering.
• 32:21
  - Yeah, and I wasn't moving the whole time.
• 32:23
  I was staying with some friends and like San Jose for a while.
• 32:26
  Stay with my sister up in San Francisco.
• 32:29
  And, but yeah, and then went to Bogota for a week.
• 32:37
  But been to Bogota?
• 32:38
  Never.
• 32:39
  Traffic, traffic problems.
• 32:40
  Real bad traffic.
• 32:41
  I think it's like the worst traffic and like any major city in the world.
• 32:45
  - Really?
• 32:46
  Pretty.
• 32:47
  Yeah.
• 32:48
  I wanted to go to Columbia, but when I was doing a lot of traveling in the 80s, Columbia
• 32:55
  was, you know, off limits.
• 32:58
  People were getting kidnapped at the airport.
• 33:00
  You wouldn't even get here at a hotel.
• 33:02
  - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:03
  Yeah, I can met A.E. and they said it's a beautiful city now, but that was like the headquarters
• 33:08
  there, back in the day.
• 33:10
  - Yeah.
• 33:11
  Yeah.
• 33:12
  No beautiful city.
• 33:13
  I almost went four or five years ago.
• 33:16
  I was planning a trip there and I had a friend who was wife, I guess his wife's within his
• 33:23
  wailin', but first he knows people in Columbia.
• 33:27
  Anyway, he was like, "Hey, I have a friend who has an apartment in Medellin."
• 33:30
  And let me ask him, you know, if you can stay there, he's not.
• 33:34
  I know he's in London now, whatever.
• 33:36
  And then he got back to me.
• 33:37
  He's like, "Yeah, you can stay in his apartment."
• 33:40
  He said, "It's free."
• 33:41
  - Yeah.
• 33:42
  You know, nobody's there and the door man will let you in and all that.
• 33:47
  So I got that far into the trip.
• 33:49
  Anyway, we ended up not going, I forget some family should came up or something, but later
• 33:56
  I learned that his friend was the ex-mayor of Medellin.
• 34:00
  So like what kind of apartment did I turn down?
• 34:04
  - Yeah, yeah, I must turn down the most nice apartment.
• 34:07
  - Right, right.
• 34:08
  - Yeah.
• 34:09
  - So also do you want to be staying in the ex-mayor's apartment?
• 34:12
  - Yeah.
• 34:13
  - That's a complicated way it was just five, six years ago.
• 34:16
  - All right, so it was, you know, not nearly as dangerous.
• 34:18
  - I think maybe it was like early COVID, maybe that's what came up.
• 34:21
  - Oh, right.
• 34:22
  - Like God, you know.
• 34:23
  Yeah, because we were pretty far into planning it.
• 34:25
  We were going to go to Cuba first and then Columbia.
• 34:27
  - Oh, I'd love to go to Cuba.
• 34:29
  - Yeah, me too.
• 34:30
  - I want to go to North Korea.
• 34:32
  - I do not.
• 34:33
  - Yeah, I don't know what it is.
• 34:34
  I lived in Korea, like South Korea for a couple years when I was younger.
• 34:38
  And yeah, I'm just somehow, I'm weirdly fascinated.
• 34:42
  Like I've read a lot of books and just weirdly fascinated with,
• 34:45
  which is the most isolated country in the world.
• 34:47
  And it's something about it just is really interesting to me.
• 34:50
  - Hmm.
• 34:51
  - Yeah, yeah, I mean, I watch all these videos.
• 34:54
  Like I learned, yeah.
• 34:56
  It's a history of that country.
• 34:58
  Boy, that's an interesting one.
• 35:01
  - Yeah, you could talk with Dennis Rodman about it.
• 35:04
  - Right, right.
• 35:05
  I remember there was a while back when he was with his friends
• 35:07
  with the King of the Rings.
• 35:09
  - I mean, what a world.
• 35:11
  I feel like the world's gone into,
• 35:13
  like some day people are gonna look back and say,
• 35:18
  "Oh, those poor people in the early 20th century,
• 35:20
  they had no idea what was happening,
• 35:22
  but now we understand that there are like realms of space
• 35:27
  that the solar system is moving through space
• 35:30
  and there realms in which the laws of probability change."
• 35:35
  - Right.
• 35:36
  - We moved into a realm where things that used to be
• 35:40
  very unlikely have become much more likely.
• 35:44
  Right, right.
• 35:45
  I mean, there must be a way to test that
• 35:46
  with random number generators or some shit.
• 35:51
  But it just feels like there were,
• 35:54
  suddenly there were like crazy.
• 35:56
  I forget what Super Bowl it was,
• 35:58
  but like one team was 28 points down in the fourth quarter
• 36:02
  and they came back in one.
• 36:03
  It was like, what, right?
• 36:04
  That doesn't happen.
• 36:06
  You know, and then there was,
• 36:08
  I remember, I mean, this is more science-based,
• 36:11
  but I remember there was a hurricane coming up
• 36:13
  the West Coast of Mexico and it was category five
• 36:18
  and I read somewhere and they said,
• 36:20
  "Well, the only reason it's category five is,
• 36:23
  it doesn't go up to six."
• 36:25
  So it's category five plus, you know?
• 36:29
  It's like the things that used to be
• 36:33
  once in a thousand year storm,
• 36:34
  they're happening every 10 years now.
• 36:37
  Of course, that's science,
• 36:38
  but I feel like it's happening in other things too.
• 36:41
  Just the simulation got reprogrammed or something
• 36:43
  and we get to get to get to stuck in a different simulation
• 36:46
  of some sort.
• 36:46
  I don't think it's a simulation,
• 36:48
  but I wouldn't be surprised if there's some energetic component,
• 36:56
  who I know, there are energetic components to reality
• 36:59
  that we can't perceive or measure.
• 37:02
  So something yet to be discovered
• 37:04
  that's going to explain why shit got so weird so quickly.
• 37:08
  Yeah, that'd be interesting.
• 37:10
  If we actually had a scientific paper that came out with,
• 37:13
  this is why things got weird and, you know,
• 37:15
  I think COVID, that was part of it.
• 37:17
  Was that cause or effect, though?
• 37:21
  Uh, interesting.
• 37:24
  And have there been other periods like that?
• 37:26
  Like-- - That seems like every 50 years or so,
• 37:28
  there's like somehow sort of a global up people
• 37:31
  that happens like in the 60s and like the 20s, you know,
• 37:34
  it seems like there's--
• 37:36
  - Yeah. - But this one seems like it's more significant,
• 37:39
  but of course everybody who's alive always thinks that their,
• 37:43
  you know, period of time is more--
• 37:44
  - Right. - that's more entwisted
• 37:45
  than any other period.
• 37:46
  And maybe that's true.
• 37:47
  - Yeah, it's like a spiraling thing.
• 37:51
  - Right. - It's cyclical,
• 37:52
  but also incremental.
• 37:55
  - And I think the internet is a big part of why this one's so much--
• 37:57
  - Yeah. - Or at least feels so much more
• 38:00
  because when like, you know, you have media connecting
• 38:02
  the entire world and all the information that's--
• 38:05
  You have to get this, and you can find people
• 38:07
  who have the same crazy beliefs as you
• 38:09
  and connect on the internet.
• 38:11
  I think it really, yeah.
• 38:13
  - Yeah, there's an accelerating effect there.
• 38:15
  Yeah, like that flatter thing.
• 38:16
  Big fan of that.
• 38:17
  That's one of my favorite things to come out of the last 10 years
• 38:21
  of the Flatterthers. - Flatterthers.
• 38:23
  Yeah. - Is that recent or is that always the right?
• 38:26
  - I mean, that started to blow up about five--
• 38:30
  - COVID I think did a little bit, but I think before that,
• 38:33
  I think it was five or 10 years ago,
• 38:34
  that started to become more of a talked about thing, you know what I mean?
• 38:38
  And yeah, they believe, you know, we live on a flat disk
• 38:41
  and like, there's an ice wall, you know,
• 38:43
  that there's an ice wall around the edge of the earth,
• 38:45
  so that's why you can't get to.
• 38:47
  So you don't fall off, I guess.
• 38:49
  And it's biblical, some of the people are biblical.
• 38:50
  It's like a ferment.
• 38:51
  There's a great documentary about these people,
• 38:54
  and at the very end, they do an experiment
• 38:55
  where they shoot a laser like a cross giant lake to see.
• 38:58
  And the experiment proves that the earth isn't flat,
• 39:01
  and they're like, and then a movie ends.
• 39:02
  It's like, oops, all right.
• 39:04
  - Yeah. - Yeah.
• 39:06
  - Now, well, it's not just similar to the people who, you know,
• 39:11
  predict the end times, and then the date pattern is--
• 39:15
  - It was just supposed to happen.
• 39:16
  Yeah, the, what was the end times?
• 39:17
  What was it that the, what the one with the people,
• 39:20
  the rapture was supposed to happen like two or three weeks ago?
• 39:22
  - Oh really? - It was like a Saturday,
• 39:23
  two or three Saturdays ago.
• 39:24
  Yeah, there's a whole, you know, it was going crazy.
• 39:26
  - Oh, I didn't hear about that. - You didn't hear about that.
• 39:27
  You gotta get on that. - You missed it.
• 39:28
  - Yeah. But yeah, it didn't, it didn't happen,
• 39:31
  but I did see somebody on that, whatever, Instagram or something,
• 39:34
  it had made inflatable balloons of people,
• 39:36
  and put them above their house to make it look like
• 39:38
  there were people getting pulled up into the sky
• 39:40
  to fuck with the people who thought--
• 39:42
  - You ever watched six feet under?
• 39:43
  - Yeah, I love that show.
• 39:44
  - There was, remember how each episode begins with a death?
• 39:47
  - Mm-hmm.
• 39:49
  - There was one where, okay, it opens, this woman's listening,
• 39:54
  she's driving somewhere, and she's got her car radio on,
• 39:57
  and it's some Christian thing, and it's talking about,
• 40:00
  you know, the rapture, and are you gonna be saved,
• 40:02
  and blah, blah, blah.
• 40:04
  And then it cuts, and it's guys in a warehouse,
• 40:08
  and they've got all these inflated sex dolls
• 40:13
  that they're loading into a truck to take to a convention.
• 40:18
  - All right, and the truck, back of the truck,
• 40:20
  opens up, and the dolls go up, and the woman sees them,
• 40:24
  and it's a reminder. - She's a rapsure,
• 40:25
  and she crashes, as far as--
• 40:26
  - That was a great show.
• 40:27
  - That was a great show.
• 40:29
  - That was a great show.
• 40:30
  - Well, last episode, I thought that was,
• 40:31
  some people said they didn't like it,
• 40:32
  but I thought the left, the way they ended it,
• 40:34
  was about as perfect as you could end to show
• 40:36
  about what that was about, you know,
• 40:38
  showing everybody getting older, and yeah, spoiler alert.
• 40:42
  - Yeah.
• 40:43
  - Yeah, I think probably the best three or four minutes
• 40:48
  of television that I've ever seen was in that show.
• 40:53
  It was, I'll include, if I remember, I'll include the video
• 40:58
  in the show notes for this episode.
• 41:03
  It's when Nate dies, and his brother,
• 41:08
  I forget his brother's name, the gay guy,
• 41:10
  he later played Dexter.
• 41:12
  He's in the hospital room with him, and there's a TV on.
• 41:15
  And what happens is Nate's lying there,
• 41:21
  and he says, he's got, he's just had brain surgery,
• 41:25
  I think, he had a stroke or something,
• 41:28
  and his head's all bandaged, and he's lying there,
• 41:31
  and he's watching this nature show,
• 41:33
  and the birds are diving into the water.
• 41:35
  And he says, I'm so tired, and his brother says,
• 41:39
  well, just sleep, everybody, I'll stay here,
• 41:41
  I'll be here when you wake up, everything's cool,
• 41:43
  and then you see Nate's eyes close,
• 41:46
  and you go into his consciousness, right?
• 41:51
  Basically, it's kind of like he's having a dream,
• 41:54
  and the dream, he, in the dream, he wakes up,
• 42:01
  but he's, and he's him, but he's not sick,
• 42:07
  it's a different life, and there's a horn,
• 42:12
  the car honking, is what wakes him up, this beep, beep, beep,
• 42:18
  and he wakes up, and he goes downstairs,
• 42:21
  and it's his brother, who in the real life in the show
• 42:26
  is this very trim gay guy,
• 42:29
  who always dressed with a suit and tie and all that,
• 42:32
  and, but in this life, he's like a, kind of a hip surfer dude,
• 42:37
  he's like, yo, man, come on, we're going surfing,
• 42:41
  what are you doing?
• 42:42
  He's like, oh, I was asleep, and, like,
• 42:44
  and he's getting the van, man, he jumps in the back of the van,
• 42:47
  and their dad is driving, who's dead,
• 42:51
  you know, who, who's death starts the show, right?
• 42:53
  And they go, and I won't go through the whole thing,
• 42:57
  but it's, it's so hallucinatory and so fascinating,
• 43:02
  it captures the logic of the dream state better
• 43:07
  than anything I've ever seen.
• 43:09
  - Yeah, I'll figure it out more later.
• 43:10
  - Oh, man, it's so good.
• 43:12
  Yeah, it's so moving, and, and, and the genius of it
• 43:16
  is that, you know, your innate consciousness,
• 43:21
  your innate dream, but at some point,
• 43:26
  it shifts into his brother's consciousness,
• 43:30
  and so when it, at the end of it,
• 43:33
  it's his brother who wakes up and you realize
• 43:35
  you're in his mind now.
• 43:37
  So there's like, it's mind meld,
• 43:40
  you pass from one consciousness to another,
• 43:43
  in the dream that they're both having, right?
• 43:47
  It's fucking crazy.
• 43:49
  It's interesting, in Spanish, it's a great show.
• 43:52
  You don't say I had a, I dreamt of you.
• 43:55
  You say I dreamt with you.
• 43:57
  Huh, there's a lot of things, I'm trying to learn Spanish now,
• 44:01
  and there's a lot of things like that
• 44:02
  that are like interesting, I can't think of any off hand,
• 44:04
  but like the way that, you know, one culture says,
• 44:08
  a sentence, or the way that they express it in a thought,
• 44:10
  as opposed to the way America's questions are thought,
• 44:12
  that says somewhat about the way that culture actually.
• 44:14
  Yeah, well, I really think.
• 44:16
  Well, Spanish one really interesting thing is love.
• 44:20
  You can say love in different ways in Spanish, right?
• 44:23
  There are different kinds of love, right?
• 44:25
  Usta, more, right?
• 44:27
  Right, Te amo, o te Quiero.
• 44:30
  I want you, I love you.
• 44:32
  Like, you would never say, I mean,
• 44:35
  I don't think you would say to your mother,
• 44:36
  take Quiero, right?
• 44:38
  That's more of a desire based love, right?
• 44:42
  Whereas Te amo is more spiritual.
• 44:45
  When I say my mother, mi gusta, I like my mother.
• 44:48
  [LAUGHS]
• 44:51
  Yeah.
• 44:53
  Amime gusta mi madre.
• 44:55
  That's the phrase I know well because of the Manuchas son.
• 44:59
  It's like the--
• 45:00
  Right.
• 45:00
  --like a tiny little--
• 45:01
  I know some of the flakio latango I can remember, yeah.
• 45:05
  Manuchas is great, great artist.
• 45:08
  I really like his stuff.
• 45:09
  Yeah, that was when I was in Thailand.
• 45:11
  I lived in Korea.
• 45:12
  I was in Bangkok and that was where like, you know,
• 45:14
  coast on road, you know?
• 45:16
  And that was at the time.
• 45:17
  It was like the '90s.
• 45:17
  Everybody was playing Manuchao and I learned about that.
• 45:21
  What were you doing in Korea?
• 45:22
  Teaching English, actually.
• 45:23
  Yeah.
• 45:24
  That was in Seoul?
• 45:26
  In Seoul?
• 45:27
  I was in Incheon at first, which is on--
• 45:30
  within the airport is and all that.
• 45:32
  And then I eventually was in Seoul for like, I think,
• 45:35
  a year, a year and a half.
• 45:37
  Just kind of freelancing.
• 45:38
  I was with the school in Incheon and then I started
• 45:40
  freelancing, like just doing different--
• 45:42
  which was really interesting.
• 45:43
  If you'd go into people's houses, one woman would just
• 45:45
  pay me like, I don't know how much money,
• 45:46
  but just to like hang out with her two little boys and just
• 45:48
  go get ice cream.
• 45:49
  Yeah.
• 45:50
  Because they just want a white person to come in, you know?
• 45:54
  But yeah, it was a really interesting experience
• 45:56
  being the other, you know?
• 45:58
  Like it's such a homogenous country.
• 45:59
  And I think most Americans don't experience that experience
• 46:02
  of being the one who doesn't look the same and getting
• 46:04
  stared at because you don't look the same.
• 46:06
  And I think it's a good experience for people to have
• 46:08
  because it puts a lot of things in the perspective, you know?
• 46:12
  It's also kind of annoying after a while.
• 46:14
  Like being in a subway, just being getting stared at
• 46:16
  because I used to take pictures of the people when they would
• 46:19
  stare at me, I would take my camera out and start--
• 46:21
  they didn't like that.
• 46:22
  They didn't like that.
• 46:24
  How old were you?
• 46:26
  I turned 30 there.
• 46:27
  So I was like 29 to like 31, 32.
• 46:30
  Right.
• 46:31
  Yeah.
• 46:32
  Yeah, eight dog.
• 46:33
  That was interesting.
• 46:35
  It wasn't very good, though.
• 46:38
  They don't put the signs, don't say.
• 46:40
  All the restaurants there, it just says--
• 46:41
  like the pig restaurants, you know, the pork restaurants,
• 46:43
  just to picture the pig, the cow restaurants,
• 46:45
  picture the cow.
• 46:46
  There's no picture of the dog for the dog restaurant.
• 46:48
  But it says like food for the good of the--
• 46:51
  it's always about the male libido.
• 46:53
  A lot of these weird foods, you know?
• 46:54
  And they think the dog is good for like, you know?
• 46:57
  Male libido.
• 46:58
  And I was hard for like a week after eight that dog.
• 47:01
  So that was true.
• 47:03
  It's true.
• 47:03
  It's worse.
• 47:04
  Yeah.
• 47:05
  Yeah.
• 47:05
  It's a strange thing in Asian cultures that the whole male
• 47:10
  virility seems to be a huge concern.
• 47:13
  Yeah.
• 47:13
  You know, we're going to eat ground up tiger bones and bear
• 47:17
  paws.
• 47:18
  Always the weird things that are supposed to make.
• 47:20
  Yeah.
• 47:21
  It's always about getting it up.
• 47:22
  It's like, is it--
• 47:25
  you know, maybe there's so much soy in the diet.
• 47:28
  There's a lot of soy.
• 47:29
  You know, the--
• 47:30
  And the minute food, yeah.
• 47:31
  Yeah.
• 47:31
  Well, for many foods, OK.
• 47:32
  But soy is an estrogenic compound.
• 47:35
  It has a lot of estrogen in it.
• 47:38
  So I-- too much soy can fuck with you testosterone.
• 47:43
  Oh, really?
• 47:43
  Yeah.
• 47:44
  Oh, how much soy is too much?
• 47:45
  So I guess it's a question because I ate a lot of--
• 47:47
  ate a lot of hummus.
• 47:49
  Is there soy in hummus?
• 47:50
  Like soybean, isn't it?
• 47:52
  It's chickpeas.
• 47:52
  It's chickpeas.
• 47:53
  It's chickpeas.
• 47:53
  Yeah.
• 47:55
  Brange.
• 47:55
  Brange.
• 47:56
  OK.
• 47:56
  Branum, right.
• 47:57
  Yeah, I don't mean a lot of soybean, so.
• 47:58
  I mean, that a mom may know it again.
• 48:00
  But--
• 48:00
  Yeah.
• 48:00
  Soy, you know, tofu, tofu, tempeh.
• 48:03
  Oh, right.
• 48:04
  I'm not a big soy sauce, obviously.
• 48:06
  Yeah, right.
• 48:07
  Yeah.
• 48:08
  Yeah.
• 48:09
  What was I going to say?
• 48:11
  Something about erections, where I was--
• 48:13
  [LAUGHS]
• 48:14
  No.
• 48:15
  No, nothing about erections.
• 48:17
  So what's next for you?
• 48:20
  You're kind of like in a transitional period of your life?
• 48:24
  Yeah.
• 48:25
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 48:26
  I'm trying-- you know, I got laid off.
• 48:27
  And I decided to just lean into it.
• 48:31
  And--
• 48:31
  You're doing a podcast?
• 48:33
  Yeah, I started.
• 48:33
  I've been meeting the instructors podcast for years.
• 48:35
  And like, 10 years ago, I had this thought of like that--
• 48:39
  I've met friend.
• 48:40
  I was living in New York at the time.
• 48:41
  And I had these friends that I met in New York,
• 48:43
  but I really knew nothing about their lives up until they met me.
• 48:46
  And so I actually did a bunch of recordings with my friends.
• 48:49
  And they were just like, let's sit down to do like just a recording
• 48:51
  interview.
• 48:52
  And it was super interesting.
• 48:52
  Because you get to know somebody like their childhood and all that.
• 48:54
  And I thought, oh, there's something interesting here.
• 48:57
  And-- but didn't actually do it.
• 48:59
  And then my nephew, who's 15 now, 14-- 15.
• 49:06
  And he was visiting me this last spring.
• 49:10
  And he's a teenager.
• 49:12
  So we weren't talking a whole lot.
• 49:13
  But then I was like, you want to record a podcast.
• 49:16
  And as soon as he got those headphones on and the mic in front of him,
• 49:18
  he was opening up like he never had before.
• 49:20
  And I thought, oh, there's something here.
• 49:24
  And so yeah, I just started to start it.
• 49:27
  I got some friends to do some interviews.
• 49:30
  And then I got some other people that I just thought
• 49:32
  were interesting on the internet to come in.
• 49:34
  And then I did the travel log, because I
• 49:35
  was traveling across the country.
• 49:36
  I'm still trying to figure out exactly what the podcast is.
• 49:39
  But generally, it's like me trying to find connection
• 49:43
  after working alone for 4 1/2 years,
• 49:45
  and also giving other people a chance to connect,
• 49:48
  but also exploring the idea of connection.
• 49:50
  I don't know.
• 49:51
  I'm still figuring it out.
• 49:52
  But people seem to like it.
• 49:53
  What's it called?
• 49:54
  1-f-f.
• 49:55
  1-f-f.
• 49:56
  Yeah.
• 49:57
  I didn't know what to call it.
• 49:58
  And then somebody was like--
• 50:00
  because I'm on the internet.
• 50:01
  My handle's always 1-f-chef, like my website's 1-f-chef,
• 50:04
  all of it.
• 50:04
  And so they're like, you should just call it 1-f-chef.
• 50:07
  So why do you have 1-f in your name?
• 50:08
  Because I took-- because I was pretentious when I was in college.
• 50:11
  And I took the other f-off, really.
• 50:13
  Yeah.
• 50:14
  Yeah.
• 50:15
  And actually, I interviewed a guy on my last episode
• 50:17
  who's also named Jef Taylor with 1-f.
• 50:19
  Really?
• 50:20
  Yeah.
• 50:20
  There's actually a few of them on friends on Facebook.
• 50:22
  So anyway, I interviewed him just because it was funny.
• 50:25
  And he took his off for the same exact reason.
• 50:27
  He was in college.
• 50:28
  He was pretentious.
• 50:29
  He took the other f-off.
• 50:31
  So yeah.
• 50:33
  Yeah.
• 50:33
  Yeah.
• 50:34
  I mean, I don't know.
• 50:35
  It seems ineffective as far as pretentious gestures go.
• 50:39
  Yeah, but I've saved a lot of time
• 50:40
  because I don't have to write that second f.
• 50:41
  Yeah.
• 50:42
  Over the years, that adds up.
• 50:43
  Yeah.
• 50:43
  So yeah.
• 50:44
  Oh, blah, blah, blah.
• 50:45
  And it's pronounced the same.
• 50:47
  That's why I'm saying it.
• 50:48
  It seems like if you want to be pretentious,
• 50:50
  you need to force people to pronounce something differently.
• 50:53
  I mean, as a joke sometimes, I'll be like, no, it's actually Jef.
• 50:55
  It's not Jef.
• 50:56
  You've got to clip it as Jef or something.
• 50:58
  Yeah.
• 50:59
  No.
• 50:59
  I'm just going to go-- it's worked out well because this was like--
• 51:02
  when I did it, it was like 90s, mid 90s.
• 51:04
  So-- and the internet wasn't really a big thing then.
• 51:07
  But as it turns out, for my video editing stuff and all that,
• 51:11
  it's been very great because there's a ton of Jef Taylor's.
• 51:13
  Right.
• 51:14
  But you know, just 1-f-Jef Taylor's,
• 51:16
  I get the first result.
• 51:17
  There aren't that many.
• 51:18
  Yeah.
• 51:19
  Yeah.
• 51:20
  So is your email Jef with 1-f-tailor@gmail.com?
• 51:24
  Really?
• 51:24
  You got it?
• 51:25
  I got it.
• 51:26
  Wow.
• 51:26
  Yeah.
• 51:27
  I was in there early.
• 51:28
  The other 1-Jef 1-F-Jef.
• 51:30
  Pass must be pissed off.
• 51:31
  I can't be people off from me to buy the URL 1-F-Jef.com
• 51:34
  for like $3,000.
• 51:37
  No, the number's got to be higher than that.
• 51:39
  Yeah.
• 51:39
  Oh, you got the URL too.
• 51:40
  Yeah.
• 51:41
  Oh, OK.
• 51:42
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  Yeah.
• 51:43
  Wow.
• 51:44
  Yeah.
• 51:44
  Sometimes I get annoyed because there'll
• 51:46
  be a lot of new platform comes out.
• 51:47
  And I'll have to get 1-F-Jef something else.
• 51:49
  I'll have to add like 73 because that's the error.
• 51:51
  It's born or something stupid.
• 51:52
  And that frustrates me because I don't--
• 51:54
  You're accustomed to just--
• 51:55
  Yeah, I want to be 1-F-Jef.
• 51:57
  But you know--
• 51:58
  It's a sense of entitlement.
• 52:00
  Yeah, a little bit.
• 52:01
  I'm just acting here 1-F-Jef.
• 52:02
  I'm acting my brand.
• 52:03
  Yeah.
• 52:04
  And it feels dark to say, just protecting my brand.
• 52:06
  But this is the world we live in right now.
• 52:09
  So--
• 52:10
  Yeah.
• 52:11
  Yeah.
• 52:12
  So yeah.
• 52:13
  But the podcast has been great because I'm not
• 52:15
  good at-- you know, you work alone.
• 52:17
  And I was not great about reaching out to people.
• 52:20
  And I live alone in my house.
• 52:23
  And yeah, it was really isolating.
• 52:25
  And it's been really good to--
• 52:28
  I mean, it feels good to sit down and talk to somebody
• 52:29
  for an hour or two and kind of go deep with them
• 52:32
  and give them space to tell their story to.
• 52:34
  Because I feel like a lot of people don't--
• 52:37
  how often do you sit down and like--
• 52:39
  are you like forced to sit down and just talk to somebody?
• 52:42
  We have to continue talking.
• 52:43
  If this conversation starts to die,
• 52:45
  we got to keep it going.
• 52:47
  And that's unlike any other kind of situation.
• 52:49
  Like you're a bar talk and a friend.
• 52:50
  The conversation kind of dies out.
• 52:52
  You're like, all right, one.
• 52:54
  And yeah, I kind of think that's where it gets
• 52:55
  into interesting places.
• 52:57
  When you're forced to keep going,
• 52:59
  that's when you start to get interesting.
• 53:02
  You ever hitchhike?
• 53:04
  No.
• 53:04
  No.
• 53:05
  I think podcasting is a lot like--
• 53:08
  it reminds me a lot of hitchhiking because of what
• 53:10
  you're talking about.
• 53:11
  That there's an aspect of it that's kind of contrived
• 53:17
  and forced.
• 53:18
  Here we are in this car.
• 53:20
  And I want you to kick me out.
• 53:22
  Because it's raining out there and if you're dark.
• 53:24
  And I'm trying to get to where the hell I'm trying to get to.
• 53:27
  And yeah, so there's--
• 53:32
  I don't know.
• 53:32
  I mean, I guess it's the kind of thing that for me started out,
• 53:35
  the hitchhiking--
• 53:36
  it starts out with some fake sincerity in the sense that, oh,
• 53:44
  hey, I'm going to pretend I'm interested in you
• 53:46
  because you stopped and picked me up.
• 53:48
  And even though you're not the kind of person I would ever
• 53:51
  really talk to in normal life.
• 53:54
  But then after doing that for a while,
• 53:57
  I found that my sincerity wasn't fake.
• 53:59
  That I was actually really interested in these people.
• 54:02
  And the exposure to people I would never have come across
• 54:09
  otherwise was actually really interesting.
• 54:12
  And you find places like of connection, right?
• 54:15
  Yeah.
• 54:16
  Yeah.
• 54:17
  Or just like--
• 54:19
  yeah, I mean, I guess that's a good way
• 54:21
  to say it is connection.
• 54:23
  But it's also appreciation for someone that's totally alien to me.
• 54:30
  Right?
• 54:30
  You know?
• 54:31
  Right?
• 54:32
  You know, a lot of--
• 54:34
  I hitchhiked when I was very young.
• 54:36
  I was in college.
• 54:37
  I hitched across America a couple times
• 54:40
  and from Montreal to New York and from Seattle to LA, I guess.
• 54:47
  That's Balsey.
• 54:48
  I mean, back then, I guess it wasn't as--
• 54:50
  it seems more nefarious.
• 54:51
  It was pretty--
• 54:51
  It was the end of hitchhiking.
• 54:54
  It was the early '80s.
• 54:56
  So it was definitely--
• 54:58
  we were into the-- well, well, beyond the zodiac killer.
• 55:03
  And it was a little bit.
• 55:05
  Yeah.
• 55:06
  No, that's shit.
• 55:07
  I wouldn't do it now if I were young.
• 55:10
  I mean, I'd do it here.
• 55:13
  We're everybody, but--
• 55:14
  Right.
• 55:16
  But yeah, the people that I met--
• 55:19
  I met some real interesting characters
• 55:22
  that I never would have met otherwise.
• 55:25
  Lonely, closeted gay guys--
• 55:30
  a lot of it's that.
• 55:31
  And would they tell you--
• 55:32
  if you're going with--
• 55:34
  would they tell you that their gay at a certain point
• 55:35
  or was it just different--
• 55:38
  Because in the '80s, it was a different--
• 55:39
  --situations.
• 55:40
  But a lot of it was--
• 55:42
  I remember just this feeling of sadness of a guy
• 55:48
  in his '50s or '60s, kind of conservative Christian
• 55:55
  guys just out cruising around looking
• 55:58
  for like to have a connection with someone who doesn't know him
• 56:04
  has no way of--
• 56:05
  Oh, right.
• 56:05
  You know, they total anonymity.
• 56:07
  Right.
• 56:08
  You know, and generally, they'd hint at it.
• 56:12
  And so, yeah, the girlfriend--
• 56:15
  Oh, I see.
• 56:16
  So sometimes we were getting picked up
• 56:17
  because they thought you couldn't.
• 56:18
  Yeah.
• 56:18
  Yeah.
• 56:19
  They would--
• 56:20
  Yeah, there was that.
• 56:24
  And a lot of it was kind of Christian charity.
• 56:30
  I stopped because you need help.
• 56:32
  And also, I'm going to tell you about Christ.
• 56:34
  And you're going to see the light and all that.
• 56:39
  Which was always an interesting thing to finesse.
• 56:42
  Right.
• 56:42
  Because you don't want to tell them, you want them to think
• 56:47
  there's a chance of a sale until you get to your exit
• 56:52
  or whatever.
• 56:53
  A certain point.
• 56:54
  Yeah.
• 56:54
  Yeah.
• 56:55
  I remember one guy--
• 56:57
  I must have been like in Nevada or somewhere
• 57:00
  like way out in the desert like desolate.
• 57:03
  And he was laying the Christian thing on real heavy.
• 57:08
  And I don't remember what happened
• 57:11
  if he was being aggressive with me or threatening
• 57:14
  or what, but I got kind of pissed off and was just like,
• 57:19
  OK, enough of that.
• 57:22
  Like a--
• 57:23
  Drop me out here.
• 57:24
  Yeah.
• 57:24
  And he's like, OK, he had me pulled over and dropped me off.
• 57:27
  And then I realized that I was--
• 57:29
  like there was a prison there.
• 57:31
  And there were all these signs saying, do not pick up
• 57:33
  the exact--
• 57:34
  Yeah, walk, walk.
• 57:35
  I'm going to walk 30 miles now.
• 57:37
  Yeah.
• 57:38
  Yeah, I agree.
• 57:39
  It looks on you.
• 57:41
  It turns out Christ was the way.
• 57:44
  It took the wrong way.
• 57:46
  Yeah, I dated a born again Christian when I was in my 20s.
• 57:49
  That was interesting.
• 57:51
  But didn't you tell me something?
• 57:52
  Was that in Korea?
• 57:53
  No.
• 57:54
  Yet you dated so many--
• 57:56
  I mean, I was living in Korea when we were dating.
• 57:58
  But we started dating in Cleveland before that.
• 58:01
  But yes, she was a born again Christian.
• 58:03
  She went to Israel to Jerusalem to go get her masters
• 58:06
  in religious studies.
• 58:08
  And I moved to South Korea to teach English.
• 58:10
  And yes, so she, at one point, we were talking about getting
• 58:14
  married.
• 58:15
  And she said she couldn't marry somebody who
• 58:17
  wasn't a Christian.
• 58:19
  And I really love this woman.
• 58:21
  So I was like, well, I should at least find out.
• 58:23
  Maybe I'll try.
• 58:24
  Let me give it a shot.
• 58:25
  So I read the entire Bible whole thing, quite boring, frankly.
• 58:29
  And thought about it and tried praying stuff.
• 58:33
  And at the end of it, I didn't--
• 58:36
  you didn't take.
• 58:37
  Didn't take too many problems.
• 58:40
  But turns out she ended up meeting a Jewish guy in Israel
• 58:43
  and falling in love with this Jewish guy.
• 58:45
  And then she moved to New York and converted to Judaism.
• 58:48
  So she said, you know.
• 58:49
  And what were you raised as?
• 58:51
  I was raised Catholic.
• 58:52
  And I guess I'm still a Catholic, according to the rules,
• 58:54
  because you got baptized.
• 58:57
  Confirmed is the thing you have to get--
• 58:58
  Oh, you were confirmed?
• 58:59
  Confirmed, yeah.
• 59:00
  I never got confirmed.
• 59:01
  Well, you're not a Christian, though.
• 59:03
  But I am circumcised.
• 59:04
  So--
• 59:05
  Yeah, I mean, they have circumcised us all back then.
• 59:06
  Yeah, let's be clear.
• 59:08
  Fortunately.
• 59:09
  I mean, you should get some credit for that, Jesus.
• 59:12
  You would think so.
• 59:13
  Jesus.
• 59:13
  What kind of credit?
• 59:16
  If you have any credit?
• 59:17
  Yeah, maybe we'll get a more comfortable cloud up there.
• 59:19
  Yeah.
• 59:20
  You hear that Lucy K. Joker, where he's like,
• 59:21
  wouldn't it be fun if you go to heaven?
• 59:23
  And you're like, really?
• 59:24
  It's like a guy with a beard and everything.
• 59:26
  Look, come on.
• 59:27
  Yeah.
• 59:31
  Lucy K's not going to heaven.
• 59:35
  Yeah, I mean, that's the wrong tricky one
• 59:36
  so that whole cancel culture is something that happened back
• 59:40
  then.
• 59:40
  It got a little out of control.
• 59:42
  Yeah, for me, the worst was the case
• 59:45
  of a psychiatrist at Columbia--
• 59:49
  he taught at Columbia University.
• 59:51
  He was on the board of all these hospitals, very prominent
• 59:57
  psychiatrists.
• 59:59
  And there was a photograph on Instagram of this model from--
• 1:00:04
  I think she's from Ethiopia.
• 1:00:07
  And she's known as the Ebony Queen or something.
• 1:00:10
  Like, she's black, black, black, right?
• 1:00:13
  Totally black.
• 1:00:15
  And that's kind of her claim to fame.
• 1:00:17
  But she's obviously-- she's beautiful,
• 1:00:20
  but she's also extremely black.
• 1:00:23
  And there was a photograph that she posted or someone
• 1:00:28
  posted of her.
• 1:00:29
  I don't remember--
• 1:00:31
  like sitting at the edge of a bed with white sheets
• 1:00:34
  and white pillowcases and a white wall behind her.
• 1:00:37
  And so the exposure of a photograph
• 1:00:40
  really accentuates the darkness of her skin.
• 1:00:43
  And people were commenting how beautiful it was
• 1:00:47
  and whatever.
• 1:00:49
  And this guy said, whether a freak of nature or not,
• 1:00:55
  she's certainly a beautiful woman.
• 1:00:59
  He had fired from all his position.
• 1:01:02
  He was publicly humiliated.
• 1:01:05
  She claimed to be devastated by being
• 1:01:08
  all of the freak.
• 1:01:09
  Of course.
• 1:01:10
  And--
• 1:01:11
  I mean, it's not the best wording.
• 1:01:12
  Let's be clear.
• 1:01:13
  But that's an over-response.
• 1:01:15
  Whoa.
• 1:01:16
  LeBron James is a freak of nature.
• 1:01:19
  Mike Tyson's freak of nature.
• 1:01:21
  You know, the guy who holds the world record
• 1:01:25
  for the 100 meter dash is a freak of nature.
• 1:01:27
  There's nothing inherently negative about saying
• 1:01:30
  someone's a freak of nature.
• 1:01:31
  It just means they're outside of the normal distribution
• 1:01:35
  of any given trait.
• 1:01:36
  Sure.
• 1:01:37
  I guess it's probably-- in this case, it was probably
• 1:01:38
  because the trait was blackness.
• 1:01:41
  Right.
• 1:01:41
  Right.
• 1:01:42
  You know, nobody's--
• 1:01:44
  there's nothing inherently negative about being black.
• 1:01:47
  No, of course not.
• 1:01:47
  So that actually-- you're right.
• 1:01:49
  So I don't see what his sin is.
• 1:01:51
  I don't see what his crime is.
• 1:01:52
  No.
• 1:01:53
  It's like-- I don't get it.
• 1:01:55
  It seems to me that the people who are offended
• 1:01:58
  are expressing racism.
• 1:01:59
  Not him.
• 1:02:00
  Right.
• 1:02:01
  That's interesting.
• 1:02:02
  I mean, I could certainly understand why that would blow up
• 1:02:05
  as an offensive thing.
• 1:02:06
  But if you actually dig into it, then he was an expressing
• 1:02:10
  racism.
• 1:02:11
  He was simply saying she is one of the darkest skin
• 1:02:16
  people I've ever seen.
• 1:02:18
  Therefore, she's outside of the normal distribution
• 1:02:22
  of that particular trait.
• 1:02:23
  But there's nothing inherently negative about it
• 1:02:26
  unless you think being black is negative.
• 1:02:29
  Right.
• 1:02:30
  Right.
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  Yeah.
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  If someone's seven feet tall, you say, well,
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  he's a freak of nature.
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  But you're not saying, you know, there's
• 1:02:38
  something inherently inferior about that.
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  It's a freak word that I think--
• 1:02:42
  that's the freak is a weird word,
• 1:02:44
  because it could be positive or negative in a way.
• 1:02:45
  Sure.
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  Rick James, super freak.
• 1:02:48
  Right.
• 1:02:49
  She's super freak, eh?
• 1:02:50
  Oh, don't, don't, don't.
• 1:02:51
  And then it turns out he's got a woman
• 1:02:53
  chained up in his basement.
• 1:02:55
  That's right.
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  He sure did.
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  He was a person for that.
• 1:02:57
  He sure did.
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  I don't know if she was a super freak or you're
• 1:03:00
  a super freak, Rick.
• 1:03:02
  Yeah.
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  If you write super freak, there's
• 1:03:03
  flesh something going on.
• 1:03:04
  Yeah.
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  Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Yeah.
• 1:03:07
  I don't know.
• 1:03:07
  I mean, you know, just talking about cancel culture.
• 1:03:11
  That one was so unjust in the Azizanzari one.
• 1:03:14
  Like, what was his saying?
• 1:03:16
  There's a lot of them.
• 1:03:17
  It kind of looked like an out of hand.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Woody Allen, I just heard an interview with Woody Allen.
• 1:03:23
  I listened to him.
• 1:03:24
  I was, it was on like Bill Marpuck's test.
• 1:03:26
  Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  No, I didn't.
• 1:03:27
  I didn't see--
• 1:03:28
  I saw some clips of that.
• 1:03:29
  But I guess he's doing the rounds because he has a novel out.
• 1:03:32
  The one I heard was with Barry Weiss on Free Press.
• 1:03:36
  Right.
• 1:03:37
  But it was interesting because she asked him about all the--
• 1:03:41
  I guess Bill Marpuck, all we did, too, but all the controversy
• 1:03:44
  about things he was accused of and all that.
• 1:03:49
  And it was really interesting because he was so--
• 1:03:52
  he was so chill about it.
• 1:03:54
  I know the same thing on Bill Marp, too.
• 1:03:55
  Yeah.
• 1:03:56
  He's like, man.
• 1:03:57
  And it's because he's like this famously neurotic--
• 1:04:00
  if you said neurotic American man, Woody Allen would probably
• 1:04:04
  be what comes to most people's mind.
• 1:04:07
  And yet, here he is being vilified publicly.
• 1:04:12
  And he was basically like, yeah, I know I didn't do it.
• 1:04:15
  And I don't really care.
• 1:04:16
  That's basically-- yeah, what did that somebody say?
• 1:04:19
  And like I think Woody Allen's kind of--
• 1:04:20
  I mean, marrying your step-daughter's
• 1:04:22
  a weird, so weird thing could work.
• 1:04:23
  But not illegal?
• 1:04:25
  No, not at all.
• 1:04:26
  And I don't think he did the other stuff.
• 1:04:29
  But that's nobody wants to hear that.
• 1:04:31
  They want to hear that he's bad.
• 1:04:33
  Wait a minute.
• 1:04:34
  And the funny thing about the Bill Marp one was like,
• 1:04:37
  at one point, he said he was asking about Trump.
• 1:04:41
  And he was like, yeah, Woody Allen
• 1:04:42
  did something effective.
• 1:04:43
  Like, yeah, I would like to work with Trump,
• 1:04:45
  because I would like to direct him.
• 1:04:46
  And she was kind of saying that I would want to direct him
• 1:04:48
  and make him do better things.
• 1:04:49
  But of course, the media's headline was,
• 1:04:51
  Woody Allen says he wants to work with Trump.
• 1:04:54
  Right.
• 1:04:54
  And it's like, come on.
• 1:04:56
  Come on.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  The mainstream media is the problem.
• 1:05:00
  Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  Yeah, you can't win with the media.
• 1:05:03
  Although you've been on the other side of that, right?
• 1:05:06
  Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  There, I think, a big part of the problem, too,
• 1:05:09
  that 24 hour news cycle and the non-stop punditry.
• 1:05:12
  And we have to be divided.
• 1:05:14
  We have to have-- there's no middle ground.
• 1:05:16
  There's you have to stay on either side of this.
• 1:05:17
  Because that's the way we like you to be.
• 1:05:19
  We want you to hate each other so much
• 1:05:21
  that you're not paying attention to the way we're continuing
• 1:05:23
  to fleece to the country and profit off of our offices.
• 1:05:29
  Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  And the media is even complicit because then the corporate--
• 1:05:32
  you know, the corporate money.
• 1:05:33
  It's all the political media complex and all that.
• 1:05:35
  They make money from drama.
• 1:05:38
  Yeah.
• 1:05:38
  And yeah, it's something making a fortune off
• 1:05:41
  of this presidency.
• 1:05:42
  I mean, it's like the number of things that he's done
• 1:05:45
  that like if Democrats even tried to do it,
• 1:05:47
  it would be like, are you kidding me?
• 1:05:48
  Yeah.
• 1:05:49
  Yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Yeah.
• 1:05:52
  I saw a quote from Hannah Ardent.
• 1:05:56
  Arrendit, I think.
• 1:05:57
  Arrendent.
• 1:05:58
  That's how I always thought it was.
• 1:06:00
  Hannah Ardent.
• 1:06:01
  The D.T. isn't it H-Earned anyway.
• 1:06:03
  She should have changed her name.
• 1:06:04
  Yeah.
• 1:06:05
  Just to make it easier for people to say off.
• 1:06:07
  Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  It's a name I've read thousands of times,
• 1:06:10
  but never really heard pronounced, I don't think.
• 1:06:15
  But she said something about how--
• 1:06:17
  I guess she was talking about the rise of fascism.
• 1:06:21
  But she said something about how the sort of embrace
• 1:06:27
  of cruelty and like adolescent delight
• 1:06:34
  in flouting conventional norms and all that
• 1:06:41
  was refreshing for people because it
• 1:06:43
  exposed the hypocrisy upon which the culture had been based.
• 1:06:49
  And I feel like that's really what's going on now
• 1:06:52
  where it's what we're talking about with the sort of--
• 1:06:57
  the sort of polite country club corruption
• 1:07:00
  that's been going on for decades and decades.
• 1:07:03
  Right, let's take a mask off.
• 1:07:04
  Yeah, and someone comes along and says, well, no.
• 1:07:08
  Well, of course I don't pay taxes.
• 1:07:09
  I'm not stupid.
• 1:07:11
  Right.
• 1:07:12
  Why would I pay taxes?
• 1:07:13
  I'm a millionaire.
• 1:07:14
  I hire people to make sure I don't pay taxes.
• 1:07:17
  That's something refreshing about that.
• 1:07:19
  Yeah.
• 1:07:19
  And the only reason you could do that is because he had his money.
• 1:07:23
  Like he's rich guy.
• 1:07:24
  So right now he's that money.
• 1:07:25
  But whatever.
• 1:07:27
  Yeah, so he could say fuck you to everybody.
• 1:07:31
  Yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah, he's that--
• 1:07:33
  I mean, to me, there's a despised Trump,
• 1:07:38
  but there are things about him that are refreshing.
• 1:07:41
  One of them is all these people who have fuck you money
• 1:07:45
  you never say fuck you, including the people who
• 1:07:48
  aren't saying fuck you to Trump right now, which
• 1:07:50
  is why he doesn't respect them.
• 1:07:52
  Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  It's like Jef Bezos can't say fuck you to Trump.
• 1:07:55
  Who can't?
• 1:07:57
  Or not, or whatever.
• 1:07:58
  It's like what is the purpose of all that money
• 1:08:01
  if it doesn't buy you the freedom from having to kiss somebody's
• 1:08:05
  ass?
• 1:08:06
  Well, you want more money.
• 1:08:06
  I think that's the thing.
• 1:08:07
  But why?
• 1:08:08
  It doesn't--
• 1:08:10
  It's like having more food.
• 1:08:12
  You can't eat more food.
• 1:08:14
  Right.
• 1:08:14
  But I think that there's an emptiness in a lot of these people's
• 1:08:18
  souls.
• 1:08:19
  And a lot of people just in general that they're trying to fill
• 1:08:21
  with something.
• 1:08:22
  And I think that the line always--
• 1:08:23
  the bar keeps going up.
• 1:08:25
  So I think that once you start accumulating money or even
• 1:08:28
  becoming successful in any field, you keep wanting to get higher
• 1:08:30
  and higher.
• 1:08:31
  And I think it becomes somewhat of an addiction.
• 1:08:32
  Because if you're not your money, then who are you?
• 1:08:34
  Then I have to examine myself to try to realize,
• 1:08:37
  because the happiness doesn't come.
• 1:08:39
  Because they're still not happy.
• 1:08:40
  And they still have more and more money.
• 1:08:41
  You know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:43
  This is a good time for commercial break.
• 1:08:46
  Those of you who are not--
• 1:08:47
  I think you have supporting the podcast.
• 1:08:48
  And $5 a month or $50 a year are really missing out.
• 1:08:52
  Because I need that money.
• 1:08:53
  I need it so bad.
• 1:08:54
  Please.
• 1:08:55
  Please send me your money.
• 1:08:58
  I need more Yeti cups.
• 1:09:01
  Wow, that's quite a commercial you just did there.
• 1:09:04
  I think you're going to get quite a few more subscribers
• 1:09:06
  to make sure that people are going to sign up.
• 1:09:09
  I've got nine Yeti cups.
• 1:09:10
  I need 11.
• 1:09:12
  Why do you need so many Yeti cups?
• 1:09:14
  Because I need to drink 11 cups of coffee at the same time.
• 1:09:18
  I might have 11 people come by.
• 1:09:21
  Who knows?
• 1:09:21
  Oh, so it's just in case.
• 1:09:22
  Just send me your money.
• 1:09:25
  It doesn't matter what I'm going to do with it.
• 1:09:27
  Yeah, my mom has a lot of plastic cups.
• 1:09:28
  I'm like, she's tons of these plastic cups.
• 1:09:30
  And I'm always like, why do you have--
• 1:09:32
  she's like, what if all these people come over?
• 1:09:35
  So she has 100 cups ready at the ready for the big party
• 1:09:38
  that's something that's going to happen to her house?
• 1:09:40
  I don't know.
• 1:09:40
  I'm not very--
• 1:09:42
  I'm kind of anti-consumer in most things,
• 1:09:45
  but I do a problem with Yeti cups.
• 1:09:48
  Interesting.
• 1:09:48
  Ony is pointed it out.
• 1:09:50
  She's like, you got another fucking Yeti cup.
• 1:09:52
  I have one in them.
• 1:09:52
  I never use it.
• 1:09:53
  Why not?
• 1:09:54
  Because I don't drink coffee out of those.
• 1:09:56
  Number one, I drink out of a mug.
• 1:09:58
  Right?
• 1:09:58
  And I just carried my water bottle, which is a hydroflask brand
• 1:10:01
  if we're going to go.
• 1:10:02
  That's a urine hydroflask boy.
• 1:10:04
  A hydroflask boy?
• 1:10:05
  Yes.
• 1:10:06
  Yes.
• 1:10:07
  What is it?
• 1:10:07
  The Visco girls, that's what they--
• 1:10:09
  the Visco girls would.
• 1:10:10
  It was like a thing five years ago.
• 1:10:12
  It was like a baggy sweatshirt and a hydroflask
• 1:10:16
  with stickers on it.
• 1:10:18
  So yeah, I get some of Visco boy.
• 1:10:21
  In some way.
• 1:10:22
  Maybe you're about to go Visco trans on us.
• 1:10:25
  I don't think so.
• 1:10:26
  [LAUGHTER]
• 1:10:29
  You got the sticker.
• 1:10:30
  You'll read in me.
• 1:10:31
  Yeah.
• 1:10:31
  You do have a lot of stickers.
• 1:10:32
  I don't think the stickers necessarily
• 1:10:34
  mean that I'm trans.
• 1:10:36
  So what's coming up on your podcast?
• 1:10:39
  Do you have sort of planned guests?
• 1:10:41
  Or you just meet them as you go?
• 1:10:44
  Yeah, no.
• 1:10:44
  I plan them out.
• 1:10:45
  I'm ranging a few interviews.
• 1:10:46
  But this one-- I'm just recording--
• 1:10:49
  a lot of people say that they like to hear me just
• 1:10:51
  like, because when I was on the road trip,
• 1:10:52
  I just would be driving and rambling about wherever I was
• 1:10:54
  in the end of it.
• 1:10:56
  And a lot of people say they really love that.
• 1:10:58
  So I'm trying to do more of those and not make it just about.
• 1:11:03
  Have you ever heard of the podcast of Rumble Strip?
• 1:11:05
  No.
• 1:11:05
  So there's really great podcast out of Vermont.
• 1:11:07
  This woman does these audio diary kind of things
• 1:11:11
  where she'll-- I don't know how to describe.
• 1:11:13
  Some of them are just her thoughts,
• 1:11:14
  but some of them are interviews with people,
• 1:11:15
  and some of them are talking about a place
• 1:11:17
  and talking to different people at that place.
• 1:11:19
  This pond that they all went to.
• 1:11:20
  And it's really interesting storytelling.
• 1:11:22
  But it kind of inspired me in a way
• 1:11:25
  to see what I could do and do different things and try
• 1:11:27
  to make it whatever it wants to be.
• 1:11:29
  But that makes it hard for people to understand--
• 1:11:31
  I need people to understand what they're going to get into
• 1:11:33
  and they start listening to the thing.
• 1:11:35
  So at some point, I need to have some sort of a concept.
• 1:11:40
  But I don't know.
• 1:11:41
  I'm just only 20 episodes in.
• 1:11:43
  So I don't know if you really need a concept.
• 1:11:47
  There's all the information on the internet
• 1:11:48
  about podcasting.
• 1:11:49
  It really is too much for me.
• 1:11:51
  Because there's a lot of people that are like a big problem.
• 1:11:53
  But you need to have a fairly specific--
• 1:11:57
  if you're just like conversations with interesting people,
• 1:11:59
  people are like, oh, that's every fucking podcast, right?
• 1:12:03
  So yeah, it can't.
• 1:12:06
  It needs to be more than that.
• 1:12:07
  But then I look at your description,
• 1:12:08
  and yours is very simple.
• 1:12:09
  It's just like one sentence and very straight
• 1:12:11
  into the point.
• 1:12:13
  And kind of sarcastic, if I remember.
• 1:12:15
  It didn't feel sarcastic.
• 1:12:16
  Isn't it like small batch handcrafted?
• 1:12:21
  I'm sort of making fun of that whole--
• 1:12:23
  No, I don't think it is.
• 1:12:24
  I think it's more sincere.
• 1:12:25
  Maybe you changed it with that one.
• 1:12:27
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:28
  I put it up.
• 1:12:29
  Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:12:31
  I have seen that advice.
• 1:12:33
  You got to be specific.
• 1:12:35
  Because you're trying to capture people who are interested
• 1:12:38
  in chainsaw art or whatever.
• 1:12:43
  But I feel like there's another realm in which
• 1:12:46
  it's just people get used to you.
• 1:12:48
  And they just want to hang out with you.
• 1:12:51
  Right.
• 1:12:51
  And I think that's kind of the line trying to walk on.
• 1:12:54
  Because my mom wants me to just do me talking.
• 1:12:55
  Because she was--
• 1:12:56
  I was on the road trip.
• 1:12:57
  She was like, first you--
• 1:12:58
  She was the first person that responded to the podcast.
• 1:13:01
  And she was like, couldn't get through it.
• 1:13:03
  Maybe it's just my age.
• 1:13:05
  I was really-- really, I was semi.
• 1:13:06
  It was like the very first review.
• 1:13:08
  She was my mother.
• 1:13:08
  And she's the one who said you nailed it with a movie.
• 1:13:10
  Yeah.
• 1:13:11
  But then I actually thought about it.
• 1:13:12
  Because it really bothered me.
• 1:13:13
  And then I thought about it.
• 1:13:14
  And a couple days later, I called her up.
• 1:13:16
  And I was like, mom, I texted her something.
• 1:13:18
  And I was like, mom, I know you didn't mean it.
• 1:13:20
  And I know you maybe don't entirely do podcasts or whatever.
• 1:13:23
  But it really hurt my feelings when you get to put all
• 1:13:25
  her work into this bowl of--
• 1:13:26
  and she was like, I'm so sorry.
• 1:13:27
  And then she texted me.
• 1:13:28
  She was like, well, I listened to more podcasts.
• 1:13:31
  And now I understand what they are.
• 1:13:32
  And yours is very good.
• 1:13:33
  [LAUGHTER]
• 1:13:36
  Sounds like my mother.
• 1:13:37
  Yeah.
• 1:13:37
  And now she loves it.
• 1:13:38
  Now she's like, oh, I love your podcast.
• 1:13:40
  It's just like you're sitting and talking to me.
• 1:13:42
  I'm like--
• 1:13:43
  Yeah.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah, my mom listens to mine.
• 1:13:45
  Hi, mom.
• 1:13:46
  And my mom will follow us into this.
• 1:13:48
  And it's cool.
• 1:13:50
  And I'm really happy she's interested.
• 1:13:52
  And it's nice that we stay in touch.
• 1:13:55
  Yeah, and it's still connected to give you.
• 1:13:57
  But there's sometimes--
• 1:13:59
  because of my research and my life, sometimes the podcast
• 1:14:04
  is talking to a sex worker, a porn star, or whatever.
• 1:14:10
  And I'm kind of like, god, I wish mom weren't listening to this.
• 1:14:13
  Yeah, no, I feel the same way.
• 1:14:15
  And in some ways, my podcast has been like sometimes a way
• 1:14:19
  for me to communicate things that I would never say directly
• 1:14:21
  to my mom, not on purpose.
• 1:14:22
  But like, oh, should I leave that in?
• 1:14:24
  Because, you know?
• 1:14:26
  But yeah.
• 1:14:28
  And one of the episodes that I got a little bit too deep
• 1:14:30
  about family stuff, she didn't like that one.
• 1:14:33
  But she didn't exactly say why, but she just didn't.
• 1:14:35
  She didn't like it.
• 1:14:36
  Yeah.
• 1:14:36
  But I knew why.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  But you can't just make a podcast for your mom, though.
• 1:14:43
  Well, there's an idea.
• 1:14:44
  Right.
• 1:14:44
  Podcasts for my mom.
• 1:14:45
  Yeah.
• 1:14:46
  This is for you, mom.
• 1:14:47
  Every episode.
• 1:14:48
  Start a new one.
• 1:14:49
  But then people can listen in if they want.
• 1:14:52
  But it's really for mom.
• 1:14:53
  Right.
• 1:14:54
  Right.
• 1:14:55
  Memories of childhood and so forth.
• 1:14:57
  Are you going to have your mom on as a guest?
• 1:14:59
  I would love to, but I don't think she wants to do that.
• 1:15:01
  Are you sure?
• 1:15:02
  Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Well, I mean, I was going to make you should after.
• 1:15:04
  Yeah.
• 1:15:05
  I was making a--
• 1:15:08
  I was trying to record like-- and I did a few--
• 1:15:10
  I was thinking I wouldn't record like a family--
• 1:15:12
  keep family history and record interviews with family members
• 1:15:14
  just to talk about stories so that you know.
• 1:15:16
  And yeah, my mom didn't want to do it.
• 1:15:20
  Yeah.
• 1:15:21
  I think my sister would do my podcast.
• 1:15:25
  A friend of mine just wrote a book.
• 1:15:27
  I think it's just out like this week or coming out soon
• 1:15:32
  called, I think it's going one last thing before you go,
• 1:15:36
  how to interview your parents.
• 1:15:38
  Oh.
• 1:15:38
  That's interesting.
• 1:15:39
  It's a really good book.
• 1:15:41
  Kyle Tierman wrote it.
• 1:15:43
  I'm going to have him on to talk about it.
• 1:15:46
  But yeah, it's very much about how do you get into these conversations.
• 1:15:53
  And they're techniques that he outlines.
• 1:15:57
  But then he intersperses it with his own conversations
• 1:16:01
  with his parents who are very interesting people.
• 1:16:06
  You've heard of a film, oh, with the fucks it called.
• 1:16:11
  It's like a conspiracy film.
• 1:16:14
  It was very well known.
• 1:16:17
  All about the free energy thing.
• 1:16:20
  And all this kind of a hoax, a hoax, a sudo science stuff.
• 1:16:29
  So does this-- says in King?
• 1:16:31
  No.
• 1:16:32
  Fuck, I forget what it's called.
• 1:16:34
  Anyway, his mother and stepfather produced that.
• 1:16:38
  And it's very controversial.
• 1:16:40
  So a lot of it's him respecting them as people,
• 1:16:44
  but also feeling like he can't connect to them.
• 1:16:49
  They're essentially flat earthers.
• 1:16:52
  Right.
• 1:16:53
  Well, how do you relate to someone you love, believe, things
• 1:16:57
  that are unbelievable to you?
• 1:17:00
  Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  I have a friend of Columbus, who's mom is Cuban on.
• 1:17:05
  Still.
• 1:17:06
  Still.
• 1:17:07
  And yeah, she said they just don't-- they just don't talk about it.
• 1:17:12
  But she doesn't-- I mean, it's hard for Cuban
• 1:17:14
  and people to not talk about it.
• 1:17:15
  So it's always kind of infiltrating the--
• 1:17:19
  Is he still doing that?
• 1:17:19
  The Cuban on people-- that's still happening?
• 1:17:21
  I don't even know.
• 1:17:22
  Like is he still posting that whole thing?
• 1:17:24
  I don't remember.
• 1:17:25
  It's one of those things.
• 1:17:27
  It's like Antifa.
• 1:17:29
  Like is there any there there?
• 1:17:31
  Is there any-- is there anyone organizing these things?
• 1:17:34
  Or is it just like a spontaneous eruption of lunacy?
• 1:17:39
  Yeah.
• 1:17:39
  I don't know.
• 1:17:41
  The Cuban on one, though.
• 1:17:42
  It's a wacky one.
• 1:17:44
  It's a wacky one.
• 1:17:45
  Yeah.
• 1:17:47
  All right.
• 1:17:47
  Well, let's wrap this up.
• 1:17:50
  I got a construction project that's about to begin.
• 1:17:53
  Yeah, that's nice of letting my carpenter shows up here
• 1:17:56
  in a few minutes.
• 1:17:57
  How do you-- is it driving you crazy all day
• 1:18:00
  hearing the banging?
• 1:18:01
  Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Guess the noise cancelling cancelling.
• 1:18:05
  No, the thing is I'm like on call, too,
• 1:18:08
  because either we're working together,
• 1:18:12
  or he'll be working on things, and he'll be like, hey,
• 1:18:16
  you want this done this way?
• 1:18:18
  Or what would you want to use here?
• 1:18:22
  So I'm always answering questions.
• 1:18:24
  And hey, can you order some worthy screws or almost out
• 1:18:27
  of screws and not OK?
• 1:18:29
  So you're like the assistant.
• 1:18:30
  Yeah.
• 1:18:31
  I'm part boss, part lackey.
• 1:18:34
  You need the hammer?
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:36
  I do spend time handing him tools if he's up on a ladder.
• 1:18:39
  Today he's going to be up on a ladder,
• 1:18:41
  putting silicon around the window frames.
• 1:18:44
  Big fan.
• 1:18:45
  On the window?
• 1:18:46
  Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Well, it's going to look great.
• 1:18:48
  I mean, it already looks great.
• 1:18:50
  Yeah.
• 1:18:51
  I can't wait to live in it.
• 1:18:52
  I'm really tired of this, because I can't write.
• 1:18:58
  I can't read.
• 1:18:59
  I can't--
• 1:18:59
  Why not?
• 1:19:00
  Because I don't have a wall.
• 1:19:02
  There's no way in the system.
• 1:19:03
  There's constant interruption.
• 1:19:05
  So it's hard to do my thing.
• 1:19:09
  And how much longer does it take?
• 1:19:11
  I think another month maybe.
• 1:19:15
  That's not too bad.
• 1:19:16
  Yeah, we just have to put the floor down in the big room.
• 1:19:20
  And do the walls in the other smaller room.
• 1:19:25
  But yeah, we're pretty much done.
• 1:19:26
  And then it's just spent a lot of money
• 1:19:30
  on shittie quality furniture.
• 1:19:32
  Right, fill it up.
• 1:19:33
  Right.
• 1:19:33
  You've got to fill the nest.
• 1:19:34
  Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Fill the nest.
• 1:19:36
  Yeah.
• 1:19:36
  Fill the nest.
• 1:19:38
  One thing I'm looking forward to is I want to buy a nice stereo
• 1:19:43
  system, like what I had in high school.
• 1:19:48
  Right.
• 1:19:49
  Speakers, receiver, amplifier.
• 1:19:52
  I want to get back into that.
• 1:19:54
  Although I do the vinyl thing.
• 1:19:55
  I don't recommend it.
• 1:19:58
  I'm trying to sell mine now because I never listened to them.
• 1:20:00
  I have a bunch and I got into it.
• 1:20:02
  And I would like now.
• 1:20:03
  When I first got them, I'd listen to them.
• 1:20:04
  But I just don't.
• 1:20:05
  And I realized I'm more of a singles guy than a whole album guy.
• 1:20:08
  I want the best thing of the thing.
• 1:20:10
  I don't want the whole fear of commitment.
• 1:20:13
  You think that's what it is?
• 1:20:14
  I don't know.
• 1:20:15
  I was thinking about the Chester day when I was thinking about
• 1:20:16
  was watching the highlights.
• 1:20:17
  It was a football game, Denver versus the Giants, where
• 1:20:20
  they came back a little.
• 1:20:21
  And I didn't watch whole games unless they're in the play
• 1:20:25
  off the team.
• 1:20:27
  But I just watched the highlights.
• 1:20:28
  And I thought, oh, that's something about me.
• 1:20:30
  I like the highlights even with that and with music.
• 1:20:33
  I like the singles.
• 1:20:35
  And trying to think, maybe that's a fear of commitment.
• 1:20:36
  But I don't.
• 1:20:37
  Maybe it is.
• 1:20:38
  So what if they made many singles where it's just
• 1:20:42
  the best parts of the song?
• 1:20:44
  I mean, it really depends on how that was given to me.
• 1:20:46
  Because if it was like five seconds or 10 seconds,
• 1:20:49
  I feel like I wouldn't.
• 1:20:50
  Like in the air tonight, it would just be--
• 1:20:52
  Dude, dude, dude, dude.
• 1:20:53
  That drum part doesn't exist without the rest of the song.
• 1:20:57
  But you know it.
• 1:20:58
  You know the rest of the song already.
• 1:20:59
  You do.
• 1:21:00
  So you divide.
• 1:21:02
  No, I feel like I want the whole song.
• 1:21:04
  I just want the best songs.
• 1:21:06
  Like I like the singles.
• 1:21:07
  I listen to a whole album now and again.
• 1:21:09
  But generally speaking with them, I'm just
• 1:21:11
  shuffling all the singles.
• 1:21:12
  Yeah.
• 1:21:13
  And I always wish that I could be an album person.
• 1:21:14
  Because I know people who just listen to a whole album
• 1:21:16
  all the time.
• 1:21:17
  Is that an age thing?
• 1:21:18
  I don't know.
• 1:21:19
  Because I mean, I'm older than you.
• 1:21:20
  And I came up when I came up, albums matters.
• 1:21:25
  Yeah, me too.
• 1:21:25
  Not all of them.
• 1:21:26
  But there were, like, dark side of the moon is an album.
• 1:21:29
  Yeah.
• 1:21:29
  So listen to singles from that is kind of missing the point.
• 1:21:33
  Right.
• 1:21:33
  For sure.
• 1:21:34
  That's one I'll listen to being to end.
• 1:21:35
  But in back in those days, it was like you'd
• 1:21:37
  buy-- you know, I only had so much money by a CD or whatever.
• 1:21:40
  And that's the thing you had to listen to over and over
• 1:21:42
  because you didn't have Spotify or whatever.
• 1:21:44
  Every song you ever could sing--
• 1:21:46
  every song ever on your finger pitch at all times,
• 1:21:48
  which is a blessing and a curse, really.
• 1:21:50
  Because albums, you don't make albums anymore.
• 1:21:53
  There is.
• 1:21:54
  Yeah, not a lot of people.
• 1:21:55
  Well, this is going--
• 1:21:56
  This will be the third song on Side B.
• 1:21:58
  That's where it fits in.
• 1:21:59
  Right.
• 1:22:00
  Nobody thinks that.
• 1:22:01
  Right.
• 1:22:01
  There's not a lot of concept albums anymore.
• 1:22:03
  I have no pink Floyd, the wall being made.
• 1:22:05
  No.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  But yeah.
• 1:22:09
  Yes, we had to listen to the same thing over and over.
• 1:22:11
  So I guess I was an outing guy back then because I had to be.
• 1:22:15
  So no, I'm not going to get into vinyl.
• 1:22:17
  No, don't.
• 1:22:18
  If you do, you should let me know because I'll say it in mine.
• 1:22:21
  Yeah.
• 1:22:22
  No, I don't want to.
• 1:22:24
  But I do want good speakers.
• 1:22:26
  And I want something that sounds really good.
• 1:22:32
  Because we've got this new room.
• 1:22:33
  Yeah, I know.
• 1:22:34
  And just nobody would be able to do it.
• 1:22:35
  So you can play it loud.
• 1:22:36
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:38
  Definitely no neighbors.
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, well, that'll be exciting.
• 1:22:41
  And then it'll be-- you can hook it into your video system too.
• 1:22:45
  You can't do it for movies.
• 1:22:47
  We're going to movie nights.
• 1:22:49
  Yeah.
• 1:22:49
  We'll invite a bunch of people over.
• 1:22:50
  What's the first one you're going to show?
• 1:22:52
  I don't know.
• 1:22:53
  I've got a list of 50.
• 1:22:55
  One recent one that got on the list is Annie Hall.
• 1:22:59
  I'd like to see that again.
• 1:23:01
  Man, I love that movie.
• 1:23:02
  Yeah.
• 1:23:03
  We on was a master filmmaker.
• 1:23:05
  Yeah.
• 1:23:06
  Diane Keaton just died.
• 1:23:08
  So a lot of it-- it's cool because a lot of the films are films I
• 1:23:14
  want to see again, that Annie has never seen.
• 1:23:17
  All right, I'm-- yeah.
• 1:23:18
  Because she's 27 years younger than me.
• 1:23:21
  So there's that component of it.
• 1:23:26
  The pleasure of introducing her to something
• 1:23:28
  that I know is really good.
• 1:23:30
  And then the pleasure of watching it again,
• 1:23:33
  I taught high school briefly in Spain.
• 1:23:37
  And I don't remember what excuse I had.
• 1:23:42
  But I showed the class the graduate.
• 1:23:45
  Oh my god, I love it.
• 1:23:47
  And it was like 20 minutes per class.
• 1:23:49
  And then we talked about that 20 minutes.
• 1:23:52
  And so we really just took off a bite and then chewed it.
• 1:23:55
  And I had seen it probably three or four times before then.
• 1:23:58
  But that was really interesting to show it to these kids.
• 1:24:01
  And for sure, talk about what the commentary on the culture
• 1:24:06
  and changing sexual morays and the whole thing
• 1:24:11
  about career plastics.
• 1:24:14
  Right, right.
• 1:24:15
  I did the same thing.
• 1:24:16
  I taught a film class remotely in 2020.
• 1:24:20
  And I showed them the graduate.
• 1:24:23
  This is 2020.
• 1:24:24
  And it was interesting that their take on it
• 1:24:27
  from their upbringing and so forth was very much focused
• 1:24:31
  on that she is a toxic sexual assaultor in a way.
• 1:24:37
  Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
• 1:24:39
  That's never even a thing.
• 1:24:40
  It kind of crossed my mind.
• 1:24:41
  But from one angle, I could see that.
• 1:24:47
  Yeah, I just love Dustin Hopkins' performance
• 1:24:49
  and that is just chef's kiss.
• 1:24:52
  Like that sound he makes.
• 1:24:53
  [LAUGHTER]
• 1:24:56
  Yeah.
• 1:24:57
  And everything about that film is spectacular.
• 1:25:00
  And that he was in the line for unemployment.
• 1:25:02
  He was broke.
• 1:25:03
  As broke and be when he got that role.
• 1:25:05
  Right.
• 1:25:06
  He was supposed to go to Robert Redford.
• 1:25:08
  And he was actually written for Robert Redford.
• 1:25:11
  Which would have been a whole different and not right.
• 1:25:14
  It wouldn't have worked.
• 1:25:16
  Well, that's image.
• 1:25:17
  I really enjoy thinking about that.
• 1:25:19
  When I read about this role had been offered to--
• 1:25:24
  Like, one of my favorites is Silence of the Lamps.
• 1:25:29
  Anthony Hopkins was like third choice.
• 1:25:32
  Who was Jack Nicholson?
• 1:25:34
  Oh.
• 1:25:35
  That's interesting.
• 1:25:37
  I think that's two on the nose.
• 1:25:39
  Particularly after the shining.
• 1:25:40
  I feel like that's just way two on the nose.
• 1:25:42
  Because like you could already be.
• 1:25:43
  Dick and Nicholson's already got creepy.
• 1:25:44
  But Anthony Hopkins didn't really have
• 1:25:46
  creepy to me before that.
• 1:25:48
  You know what I mean?
• 1:25:50
  Yeah.
• 1:25:51
  Was legends of the fall before that?
• 1:25:54
  I don't know.
• 1:25:55
  I've never seen that one.
• 1:25:56
  Oh.
• 1:25:57
  Yeah.
• 1:25:58
  Dog day afternoon.
• 1:25:58
  That's another one you should see.
• 1:25:59
  That's how much you know.
• 1:26:00
  Amazing film.
• 1:26:01
  Yeah.
• 1:26:02
  The camera just moves and moves and moves in that movie.
• 1:26:06
  Who directed that?
• 1:26:07
  Sydney Lou May?
• 1:26:08
  I love right.
• 1:26:09
  He did that.
• 1:26:10
  And then Cerpo Coe was the next one to an arrow.
• 1:26:14
  The 70s man, there's some--
• 1:26:15
  The 70s was like the best period, I think,
• 1:26:17
  of American filmmaking.
• 1:26:18
  Yeah.
• 1:26:19
  He was ugly.
• 1:26:19
  People started being actors.
• 1:26:21
  And they were amazing actors.
• 1:26:22
  So it had a schooled really open to that.
• 1:26:25
  Right.
• 1:26:25
  A lot.
• 1:26:26
  Yeah.
• 1:26:27
  But also there was this kind of energy
• 1:26:30
  like on set.
• 1:26:32
  You could see that people were like, you know,
• 1:26:35
  when they finished filming for the day,
• 1:26:36
  they were fucking and getting high and probably getting high
• 1:26:39
  before they were filming.
• 1:26:40
  Like, mash.
• 1:26:42
  Remember that movie?
• 1:26:43
  Yeah.
• 1:26:45
  Yeah.
• 1:26:46
  There was just this kind of feeling of like there
• 1:26:49
  was a party going on.
• 1:26:51
  And they were making a movie while they were partying.
• 1:26:53
  Well, this video system had kind of died.
• 1:26:55
  So like, they were kind of like--
• 1:26:56
  it was a free-frail in a way.
• 1:26:58
  And people were like, like, a easy rider like that.
• 1:26:59
  Just probably that movie getting made was just getting
• 1:27:01
  a bunch of money tossed in.
• 1:27:02
  Go make your hippie movie.
• 1:27:03
  Yeah.
• 1:27:04
  And they're like literally getting high in the movie.
• 1:27:08
  Speaking of Jack Nicholson.
• 1:27:09
  What a great cameo that was.
• 1:27:11
  Indians.
• 1:27:12
  I don't know what he said that for me.
• 1:27:14
  With-- with-- with--
• 1:27:15
  Indians.
• 1:27:17
  Yeah.
• 1:27:17
  You ever seen five easy pieces a long time ago?
• 1:27:22
  Yeah.
• 1:27:23
  That's an amazing film.
• 1:27:24
  Early Jack.
• 1:27:26
  He's still alive, I think.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah.
• 1:27:28
  Barely.
• 1:27:29
  He doesn't go to the Oscars anymore.
• 1:27:31
  Or does he go to Lakers games?
• 1:27:33
  I don't know.
• 1:27:34
  Was this last thing that departed?
• 1:27:35
  That was one of the last things I remember being.
• 1:27:37
  It was the part that--
• 1:27:38
  Yeah.
• 1:27:39
  That movie confused me.
• 1:27:41
  Because I kept getting--
• 1:27:43
  the actors confused.
• 1:27:45
  Who is it?
• 1:27:46
  It's like the two Boston cops.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah, it was what's his name and what's his name.
• 1:27:51
  Yeah, those two.
• 1:27:52
  Those two guys, yeah.
• 1:27:53
  They look very similar.
• 1:27:55
  And I kept confusing, like, wait, is this the good one
• 1:27:57
  or the bad one?
• 1:27:58
  Maybe that's the point.
• 1:27:58
  That's the point.
• 1:27:59
  Yeah.
• 1:28:01
  But I found it a very frustrating movie to watch.
• 1:28:04
  I like that.
• 1:28:05
  I think it's interesting that Scorsese's editor
• 1:28:07
  is a Thomas Humaker.
• 1:28:08
  It was a woman.
• 1:28:09
  It's just interesting that she's the editor of these very--
• 1:28:12
  a lot of them very masculine.
• 1:28:16
  But then it all-- it used to be all women back in the day.
• 1:28:18
  It was women.
• 1:28:18
  They thought it was like sewing.
• 1:28:20
  They thought of editing as kind of being like a sewing
• 1:28:22
  thing.
• 1:28:22
  So women were all the editors back in the old film days.
• 1:28:25
  Oh.
• 1:28:25
  Yeah.
• 1:28:26
  That's interesting.
• 1:28:27
  I didn't know that.
• 1:28:28
  Yeah, isn't that weird?
• 1:28:30
  Yeah, I have a friend who's an editor, a pretty prominent TV
• 1:28:34
  editor.
• 1:28:35
  I guess he does film, too.
• 1:28:37
  But he did all the curbure enthusiasm.
• 1:28:39
  Oh, OK.
• 1:28:40
  Yeah.
• 1:28:40
  Oh, that's fun.
• 1:28:41
  Yeah, he's a Roger and Nygard.
• 1:28:44
  He's a funny guy.
• 1:28:46
  And so his sense of humor helps him edit calling it,
• 1:28:50
  because he gets the timing.
• 1:28:52
  He understands the window, let the camera pause a little.
• 1:28:56
  Right.
• 1:28:56
  And so--
• 1:28:57
  Yeah.
• 1:28:58
  Yeah.
• 1:28:59
  He's a good guy.
• 1:29:00
  Yeah, I love him, provides.
• 1:29:01
  So that's much of the stuff I've
• 1:29:02
  made has been like largely improvised, which I really like.
• 1:29:04
  There's naturalism to it that I feel like you don't get.
• 1:29:07
  So have you seen the new spinal tap?
• 1:29:10
  Have not seen it yet now.
• 1:29:11
  Looking forward to that.
• 1:29:12
  Yeah, it's got mixed reviews.
• 1:29:15
  But I'm certainly curious.
• 1:29:17
  I think it's only on screen.
• 1:29:18
  It's only time like Paramount Plus or something.
• 1:29:20
  Yeah.
• 1:29:21
  Yeah.
• 1:29:22
  Yeah, I'm curious.
• 1:29:22
  It's very short.
• 1:29:23
  It's like only 80 minutes long.
• 1:29:25
  I'm just amazed.
• 1:29:26
  They did it.
• 1:29:27
  I know.
• 1:29:28
  I know.
• 1:29:29
  And they're still alive.
• 1:29:31
  Yeah.
• 1:29:33
  All right.
• 1:29:34
  Let's wrap it up.
• 1:29:34
  1F Jef.
• 1:29:36
  Check out the podcast.
• 1:29:37
  Yeah, onefjef. Onefjef. 1957 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,840 And yeah, onefjef.com, if you need anybody to edit your videos
• 1:29:42
  or anything, let me know.
• 1:29:44
  Yeah.
• 1:29:45
  You know?
• 1:29:46
  I'm good.
• 1:29:47
  Got your vagabond currently out of work, video editor.
• 1:29:52
  I've been traveling all year.
• 1:29:53
  It's been really great.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah.
• 1:29:54
  I'm really enjoying it.
• 1:29:55
  And you're based in Ohio, right?
• 1:29:56
  Yeah.
• 1:29:57
  Trying to figure out an exit strategy.
• 1:30:00
  But yeah, I'm trying to find remote works.
• 1:30:02
  So I can kind of just do a digital nomad thing for a year or two.
• 1:30:05
  I mean, is editing generally remote?
• 1:30:09
  I mean, it wasn't-- after 2020, like I was with the Lincoln Project,
• 1:30:14
  so that was all remote.
• 1:30:16
  But I don't know what percentage of it.
• 1:30:18
  I just know it's a very difficult place to find a job right now.
• 1:30:22
  And yeah, but there's no reason that--
• 1:30:26
  I guess sometimes you would-- like a feature film you
• 1:30:28
  can't do that remotely, that'd be hard.
• 1:30:30
  But like a lot of the stuff I would be doing,
• 1:30:31
  like short form stuff for the internet or whatever,
• 1:30:34
  that's-- I think that's easy to do remotely.
• 1:30:36
  I'm trying to get more podcasting, producing, kind of jobs,
• 1:30:39
  which I could do remotely to because--
• 1:30:41
  Right.
• 1:30:42
  So who knows?
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  But I'm happy that I've taken advantage of the fact
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  that I've not been employed because a lot of people
• 1:30:48
  would immediately start looking for another job, which
• 1:30:52
  seems to be misguided, right?
• 1:30:54
  Yeah.
• 1:30:54
  No, take advantage of it.
• 1:30:56
  It's unemployment is a great opportunity
• 1:30:58
  to reset your brain and try to figure out.
• 1:31:01
  Yeah, and then you just go places, you don't go.
• 1:31:04
  If you're-- you have a week of vacation,
• 1:31:07
  you're going to fly to Bogota for a week.
• 1:31:09
  Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Yeah.
• 1:31:12
  So yeah, we'll see.
• 1:31:15
  Trying to find a way to make money on my own terms,
• 1:31:18
  but that's a different thing--
• 1:31:19
  a different thing to do on today's economy.
• 1:31:21
  But so we'll see.
• 1:31:25
  We'll see.
• 1:31:26
  But yeah, I'm grateful that I've been able to have this year.
• 1:31:30
  You know, hopefully I can continue it to more years
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  of living an interesting life as opposed
• 1:31:35
  to being in my house all day, editing political videos.
• 1:31:40
  Yeah.
• 1:31:41
  Yeah, that doesn't sound like a recipe for mental health.
• 1:31:45
  No.
• 1:31:46
  No.
• 1:31:47
  No, not so much.
• 1:31:48
  Not so much.
• 1:31:50
  All right.
• 1:31:50
  Thank you, one f Jef.
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  I got to take a piss.
• 1:31:52
  Thanks, Chris Ryan.
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  Appreciate you.
• 1:31:54
  Don't forget me.
• 1:31:54
  A abrupt--
• 1:31:55
  Yeah, no worries.
• 1:31:56
  Thanks for coming in.
• 1:31:57
  Hello to your mother.
• 1:31:58
  Yeah, hello to your mom as well.
• 1:32:00
  Yeah.
• 1:32:01
  [LAUGHTER]
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  And there you go.
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  There is my conversation with Chris Ryan.
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  I hope you enjoyed it.
• 1:32:13
  Hi, mom.
• 1:32:14
  Hi, Chris Ryan's mom.
• 1:32:16
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• 1:33:43
  Once again, I'm going to close this episode with a short poem
• 1:33:46
  by the legendary Rumi who was born in 12207.
• 1:33:53
  Did they call that 12-Aught 7 back in the day or 12-07?
• 1:33:57
  Whatever.
• 1:33:58
  It was a long time ago.
• 1:34:00
  Do you think I know what I'm doing?
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  That for one breath or half breath I belong to myself.
• 1:34:07
  As much as a pen knows what it's writing,
• 1:34:10
  or the ball can guess where it's going next.
• 1:34:15
  Take care of yourself, my friends.
• 1:34:17
  I'll see you next week.
• 1:34:23
  Very good, Jeffrey.