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Dan Carroll talks to Citizen Watchdog Todd Zinser · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: That is a feeling of Marjorie Taylor Green on sixty
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  Speaker 1: minutes I got.
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  Speaker 2: Good you five KRC the talk Station.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty five KARC the talk Station eight o six, Tuesday,
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  Speaker 3: December ninth, Brian Thomas taking the day off.
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  Speaker 1: He is back tomorrow. I am told Joe Strecker's rolling
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  Speaker 1: out the Van Hallen Music. Got a love every minute
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Dan Carroll and for Brian Thomas, and my great
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  Speaker 3: pleasure to welcome into the studio a guy that I've
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  Speaker 3: talked to on the phone. I've texted him and we've
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  Speaker 3: exchanged some emails back and forth, but my first time
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  Speaker 3: meeting him in person, and it is the Citizen Watchdog
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  Speaker 3: Todd Zenzer and Todd is It's great.
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  Speaker 1: To see you this morning.
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  Speaker 4: Great to see you, Dan.
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  Speaker 1: You got stuck in traffic on the way here. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's possible.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know a lot of chuck Ingram. I was
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  Speaker 4: waiting to hear chuck Ingram. I didn't hear them what
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  Speaker 4: you made it here? Nonetheless I did. Are you quickly
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  Speaker 4: becoming one of the most hated men at city Hall?
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  Speaker 4: I think there are probably a few that would rather
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  Speaker 4: not have me around.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what tell me for those who don't know,
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  Speaker 3: and and I've never met you in person before, but
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  Speaker 3: I know you what You were an inspector general?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: At which which government agency?
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  Speaker 4: Well? Two agencies. I was the Inspector General at Commerce
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  Speaker 4: Department and that includes noah, the Census Bureau. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gapping right now, but a collection of agencies. Patent
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  Speaker 4: and Trademark Office was a big one. And then before that,
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  Speaker 4: I worked for the Transportation Inspector General for sixteen years.
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  Speaker 4: I left there to go to Commerce. I was the
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  Speaker 4: deputy IG when I left Transportation IG.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So within the federal government are inspector generals? Are
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  Speaker 3: you sort of frowned upon by the people that work there?
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  Speaker 3: Or do they welcome what you do too to audit
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  Speaker 3: and oversee and and report on your finding?
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  Speaker 4: H I think the rank and file appreciate the IG.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think the management does. You know? For example,
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  Speaker 4: if I ever went into an office to meet you know,
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  Speaker 4: the management or whatever, people would yell out IG in
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  Speaker 4: the house. You know things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like like eternal affairs of the police Department.
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  Speaker 4: Right exactly?
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  Speaker 2: Wait?
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  Speaker 1: Are you from Cincinnati? Originally?
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  Speaker 4: I am grew up, grew up in Price Hill.
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  Speaker 3: When okay, all right, so that's why that's why you're
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  Speaker 3: you're back in or I guess have you lived in
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  Speaker 3: Cincinnati the whole time?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: No. I was transferred from Cincinnati to New Haven, Connecticut,
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  Speaker 4: and then to New York City and then to Washington,
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  Speaker 4: d C. And I finished up in Washington.
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  Speaker 3: But glad to be back in Cincinnati. Oh yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: now you turn your attention to city hall.
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  Speaker 4: I have, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Did that happen?
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  Speaker 3: Was that part of the plan to come back and
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  Speaker 3: do that or did you just sort of fall into
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  Speaker 3: that or someone said, hey, look at this is interesting,
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  Speaker 3: take a look at this, or how did that happen?
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  Speaker 4: Well? When I came back, the big reason was to
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  Speaker 4: spend some time with my mother and her final years.
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  Speaker 4: And I wound up working for a inventor, helping him
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  Speaker 4: with some litigation against the patent office. And it came
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  Speaker 4: to be twenty twenty three, all of a sudden, and
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  Speaker 4: I hear that the city wants to sell this railroad. Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: And that triggered me.
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  Speaker 1: So that I got a little red flag went up there.
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  Speaker 4: Huh yes, And I started a political action committee called
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  Speaker 4: Citizens for a Transparent Railroad vote and did whatever I
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  Speaker 4: could to speak out against the sale. Unfortunately, we lost,
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  Speaker 4: and so that really gave me a lot of insight
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  Speaker 4: about how the city was operating. They were very very
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  Speaker 4: dishonest about that deal, uh, and they sprung it on
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  Speaker 4: the citizens uh that their first statements were that, well,
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  Speaker 4: we can't really get involved in you know, politics here,
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  Speaker 4: so we're not going to give you any information in
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  Speaker 4: the in the trust or the board. The railroad board
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  Speaker 4: said the same thing. And it's like, that's outrageous this.
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  Speaker 4: The people need to know what's going on here before
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  Speaker 4: we vote on anything. So that's that's what triggered me.
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  Speaker 4: And part of me doing this is to try to
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  Speaker 4: keep track of what they're doing with that money.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the I mean I had known about the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 3: owning that railroad for for a long time, and I
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  Speaker 3: think most people in Cincinnati had no idea that the
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  Speaker 3: city actually owned a railroad and derived a very nice
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  Speaker 3: revenue stream from from that railroad. When when you look
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  Speaker 3: at all the assurances that were made Charli I remember
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  Speaker 3: Charlie Lucan doing multiple En interviews on this, talking about, hey,
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  Speaker 3: all these guardrails are going to be up, but State
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  Speaker 3: legislature got involved and all that. In the wake of
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  Speaker 3: all that, are you satisfied with all the guardrails and
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  Speaker 3: the you know that have been put in place to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that this money is being used in the
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  Speaker 3: right way or doled out in the right way. No, No,
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  Speaker 3: you're shaking your head. None, not at all. Early on,
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  Speaker 3: what's your major issue with the with the deal the
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  Speaker 3: way it's it's structured.
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  Speaker 4: Well, after we lost the vote, I did propose four
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  Speaker 4: or five different things that the city should do. For example,
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  Speaker 4: they need to take what they spent on capital in
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three and use that as the floor. We
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  Speaker 4: do not go below that, all right, and then whatever
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  Speaker 4: the railroad money is you put on top of that.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the only way to get ahead of the
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  Speaker 4: spending that's required. But my big concern is that the
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  Speaker 4: city doesn't have the capacity to spend all that extra
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  Speaker 4: money in a timely way. And that's why they tell people, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is going to take ten years, and they actually
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  Speaker 4: give money back or they have unspent money. And just
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  Speaker 4: this Monday and the Budget Committee they went through what
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  Speaker 4: they call the carryover. They have a carryover and they
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  Speaker 4: have a capital sunset and these are moneys that the
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  Speaker 4: city has not been able to spend the way they
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  Speaker 4: told the public they would be spending it, and so
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  Speaker 4: they have these carryover dollars and then they just go
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  Speaker 4: to town and spend it.
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  Speaker 3: So I see, I figured there was going to be
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  Speaker 3: a way that this money was gonna was going to
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  Speaker 3: be able to get back into the general fund. But
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  Speaker 3: we were assured that that there there was only certain
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  Speaker 3: budget items that this could be spending. Largely it's it's infrastructure,
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  Speaker 3: infrastructure projects, right right, right. And it seems on one hand,
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  Speaker 3: it seems silly to limit yourself to that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: On the other hand, it seems sort of silly to
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  Speaker 3: let a third party have control over that money. And look,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not that I am advocating that I trust city
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  Speaker 3: council to be in charge of such a large sumb.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because I never really thought that was a good idea. Right.
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  Speaker 4: So they set up this Rube Goldberg process about what
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  Speaker 4: you can spend it on and how the money is
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  Speaker 4: distributed and things like that. And when this first passed,
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  Speaker 4: I was actually working with Jeff Kramerdine on extra safeguards,
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  Speaker 4: and they actually put a motion forward and I just
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  Speaker 4: remember and back and forth with mister Crammerdine. They proposed
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  Speaker 4: this motion to get the administration to report back on
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  Speaker 4: these guardrail proposals, and I says, well, you should put
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  Speaker 4: a deadline on it, thirty days, sixty days, whatever it is.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't do that, so it took them a year
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  Speaker 4: to address that. And the way they addressed it is
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  Speaker 4: they buried it in another motion or addressing another motion.
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  Speaker 4: And what I think they should do is take They
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  Speaker 4: had a list they claimed to have a list of
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  Speaker 4: four hundred million dollars of deferred maintenance. It was four hundred,
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  Speaker 4: it was five hundred. I only saw a list of
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  Speaker 4: two hundred, and I saw a list of two hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty million dollar estimate. Well, they should take that
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  Speaker 4: list and go down the list one by one and
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  Speaker 4: fix those things that they said had been deferred.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to me that would that would be a
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  Speaker 1: sensible approach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're not doing that for crying out loud.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I could spend all day asking you questions
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  Speaker 3: about the railroad project. I am told that subsequently that
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  Speaker 3: in review of this deal, that the purchase price is
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  Speaker 3: far less than what the value of that Railroad.
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  Speaker 4: Is Yeah, they never put it out to bid, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they just negotiated with Norfolk Southern. Yeah, so I mean
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  Speaker 4: Norfolk Southern had first DIBs if they wanted to sell it.
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  Speaker 1: And what what was it? What was the final number?
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  Speaker 4: Six point one one point six.
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  Speaker 3: Point six billion. Yeah, And and that money doesn't all
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  Speaker 3: come at one time. It's that that money's paid out
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  Speaker 3: over a period of time, is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Right? They get an annual they set an annual amount
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  Speaker 4: that they're going to disperse to the city, and then
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  Speaker 4: that is paid to the city and quarterly amounts. And
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  Speaker 4: what I've what I've asked the Trust board to do
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  Speaker 4: is track whether or not they've actually been able to
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  Speaker 4: spend the money from quarter one before they give them
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  Speaker 4: money for quarter two.
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  Speaker 3: But weren't we told that that the interest on that
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  Speaker 3: money has already exceeded what their projection was going to
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  Speaker 3: be in there for that's a wonderful thing, because now
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  Speaker 3: we have even more money than we thought we were
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  Speaker 3: going to have.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we it has the trust balance has gone up,
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  Speaker 4: but so has inflation. And inflation is going to be
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  Speaker 4: here for a long time. So you don't know what
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  Speaker 4: the impact of inflation is on that balance, it probably
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  Speaker 4: buys much much less than it did in twenty twenty three,
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  Speaker 4: to be honest.
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  Speaker 3: So I've had so many people ask me how are
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  Speaker 3: things going with the railroad money? And when people ask
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  Speaker 3: you that question, what's your general response to that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's the first year that they are actually spending
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  Speaker 4: the money. The biggest chunk that I've seen is five
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  Speaker 4: million going to the Western Hills Viydoc. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was five or five point seven or something like that
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  Speaker 4: going to the Western Hills Viydoc. But the rest of
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  Speaker 4: the spending is spread out to rec centers and parks
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  Speaker 4: and things like that. That's really not the way I
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  Speaker 4: would do it, but that's the way they're doing it.
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  Speaker 4: And then you have members of city council proposing motions
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  Speaker 4: to spend the money in different ways, Like they wanted
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  Speaker 4: to set up a Rising fifteen railroad fund that would
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  Speaker 4: take ten percent of the annual disbursement and put it
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  Speaker 4: in another fund to be spent by Rising fifteen neighborhoods,
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  Speaker 4: and we commented on that. And then they also wanted
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  Speaker 4: to use the railroad money to fix everybody sidewalks, which
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  Speaker 4: would be great, but the sidewalks wasn't part of that
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  Speaker 4: four hundred million dollar deferred maintenance. So what they would
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  Speaker 4: be doing is taking on more deferred maintenance instead of
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  Speaker 4: dealing with the ones that we had when we when
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  Speaker 4: we made the deal.
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  Speaker 3: All right, well, Todds Zenser, we got to take a
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  Speaker 3: break and we will continue with some more recent activities
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  Speaker 3: okay that you've been looking at.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, because it never ends, no, it.
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  Speaker 3: Does, It does not end, So we'll continue with Todds Endser,
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  Speaker 3: Dan Carroll for Brian Thomas. Todd Zinzer is here and
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  Speaker 3: you know him as Citizen Watchdog. You do you do
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  Speaker 3: a regular segment with Brian Thomas?
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  Speaker 4: Do you not? Not? Not regularly regularly?
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  Speaker 1: But I know you've been here, but this is not
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  Speaker 1: your first trip here to.
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  Speaker 4: This day once a month probably.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's cool. Well, I'm glad today is today, yes,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm glad.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you here.
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  Speaker 3: We were texting and emailing a couple of days ago
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  Speaker 3: when it was announced this settlement came out, and you
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  Speaker 3: wanted to have a look at the at the original complaint,
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  Speaker 3: the settlement agreement and all that, and we were able
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  Speaker 3: to find that and have a look at it. And
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  Speaker 3: as you review this complaint in the settlement agreement, what
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  Speaker 3: sticks out to you? And then look, I went, Todd
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  Speaker 3: is not a lawyer. We're not looking at this from
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  Speaker 3: a legal sense. But I mean over your years of
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  Speaker 3: being an inspector general and looking into things, there are
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  Speaker 3: things that jump out to you that.
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  Speaker 1: Did you find it?
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  Speaker 3: And so so that's the point of the question here,
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  Speaker 3: what did you as you look at this settlement agreement
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  Speaker 3: and then the related documents, what did you find interesting
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  Speaker 3: about these things?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the first the first thing that that that I
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  Speaker 4: thought was where has this case been and what has
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  Speaker 4: the public been told about this case? Absolutely before this
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  Speaker 4: came up. And this is typical of this of this
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  Speaker 4: city administration, of the city compt.
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  Speaker 3: Because when the news broke on this literally I like
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  Speaker 3: to think, look, probably one of the faults I have
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  Speaker 3: as a radio show host is I tend to I
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  Speaker 3: tend to focus more on the national political scene and
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  Speaker 3: and you know, every you know, when a big story
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  Speaker 3: breaks locally, I liked, I like to get on that.
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  Speaker 3: But when when this story came out, the news of
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  Speaker 3: this settlement came out, I think it was late Friday,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wow, what is this? Yeah, where is
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  Speaker 3: this coming from?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And just like you said that, this is not something
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  Speaker 3: that had been followed regularly by any of our local
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  Speaker 3: news right.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if you go on the city's website, they they
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  Speaker 4: do put memos online about the settlements that they've reached,
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  Speaker 4: but they don't put online the pending litigation. As far
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  Speaker 4: as they they may report it to the city council
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  Speaker 4: at some point, but it's not well known what other
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  Speaker 4: cases are out there right now. I don't know, So
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  Speaker 4: that's kind of my first My first complaint. The problem
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  Speaker 4: that I saw was there's nothing in the complaint or
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  Speaker 4: the settlement that is really evidentiary value. There's nothing, there's
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  Speaker 4: nothing that we see yet about the the efficacy of
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  Speaker 4: these allegations. Complaints can make all kinds of allegations, but
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  Speaker 4: what what is their evidence? And we're not the public
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  Speaker 4: is not getting access to that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's not there's not any evidence. I don't see
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  Speaker 3: any any hard finding of facts that this is why
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  Speaker 3: the city ought to settle this case. The city. I
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  Speaker 3: guess my point on this is I don't see anything
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  Speaker 3: that says, you know, these plainest uh state that that X, Y,
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  Speaker 3: and Z happened to them, and because of these specific
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  Speaker 3: complaints and the finding of facts that go along with this,
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  Speaker 3: we feel it's best to settle this. I'm not finding
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  Speaker 3: that level of specifics.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, and that's what should go on.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe maybe that exists somewhere. I don't know if it
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  Speaker 3: does well, but it's it's it's not evident in the
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  Speaker 3: documents that I've seen.
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  Speaker 4: So you're right, and what should happen today is that
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  Speaker 4: the city council should.
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  Speaker 3: Should demand that if if you want me to sign
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  Speaker 3: off on this, I know if I was on that
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  Speaker 3: committee that's going to look at this, that's exactly what
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  Speaker 3: I would be.
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  Speaker 4: That's right, you You the council needs to carry out
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  Speaker 4: their due diligence on this settlement because you're talking eight
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  Speaker 4: million dollars of city funds. They have a fiduciary responsibility
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  Speaker 4: to make sure that that settlement is in the best
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  Speaker 4: interests of the city. And what have they done, For example,
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  Speaker 4: there's no executive Session on the agenda today for the
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  Speaker 4: Public Safety Committee. They should be going in the executive
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  Speaker 4: session and getting briefed by the Solicitor's office. We should
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  Speaker 4: know exactly what went on in terms of making this decision.
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  Speaker 4: My guess is that the mayor called in the solicitor,
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  Speaker 4: called in the city manager, maybe a couple of lawyers,
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  Speaker 4: and they set around the table and decided, no, we're
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  Speaker 4: going to settle. So we should know exactly how they
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  Speaker 4: reach their decision, and then we should know what due
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  Speaker 4: diligence the city Council is going to be carrying out.
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  Speaker 3: You see, you know, you say you're speculating at the
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  Speaker 3: mayor sat in on meetings on this. I have a
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  Speaker 3: sense that Mayor Purvoll wasn't involved in this whatsoever. I
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  Speaker 3: think he wants plausible deniability.
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  Speaker 1: Well they have anything to do.
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  Speaker 3: When this thing crosses his desk, he put his signature
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  Speaker 3: on it, unfortunately. But other than that, I don't, I don't,
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  Speaker 3: I don't see. I don't see Purvol's hand on in.
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  Speaker 1: This at all.
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  Speaker 4: Unfortunately. I think you might be right then.
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  Speaker 3: I just I just think that's the way he conducts business. Well,
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  Speaker 3: which city Hall. I know if I was the mayor,
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  Speaker 3: I would there's no way I would sign this. There's
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  Speaker 3: no I would just me. I would say, we're going
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  Speaker 3: I'm taking this to court.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would direct my law department to to bone
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  Speaker 3: up on this and let's take it to court, because
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  Speaker 3: I just think it sends a terrible message.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, will others who would engage in in subjectivity.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to be overly critical, but I'm not
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  Speaker 4: sure the law department is up to it.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they've they've been involved in other cases where
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  Speaker 4: you shake your head about settlements. They they folded on
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  Speaker 4: a litigation that they made. They made a big deal
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  Speaker 4: out of of suing Vinebrook Homes for the lousy h
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  Speaker 4: property management that Vinebrook uh carried out. Uh, they made
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  Speaker 4: a big deal about going after them and suing them,
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  Speaker 4: and they folded like a cheap suit. And you have
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: to shake your head, like, what what's the deal? And
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: and what's worse is the settlement in that case. It
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: made it look like the city was at fault and
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: the city agreed to all these reforms and they're doing
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the same thing. They're doing the same thing on this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that's what the the the Ordan says, there's
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: no you know, there's no finding or an admission of
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: guilt on the on the city's part. But yet they're
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: acquiescing to Oh, we're going to have additional training and
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: a new guidebook for for Cincinnati police about how to
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: how to handle such claims.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you put more more constraints on the police,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: more rules that they might not be able to follow.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: And in the case of a arrival.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Well, these new guidelines have to meet the approval of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Irish rolling.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Well, if you if you look, if you look at
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: her contracts, I would say I would say it probably
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: it probably would.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Well, let's get into that on the other side of
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: this as we take another quick break here twenty seven
• 19:00
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  Speaker 3: Continuing now with Todd Zinzer, also known as a Citizen Watchdog.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: You're doing a podcast now with Joe Strucker. I am,
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: how's that one? How is it working with Joe on
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: on on the podcast?
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: It's easy, It's very easy. He's a he's a great guy.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes, someone what had told you five or ten
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: years ago? You're going to be doing a podcast every
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? Like like every couple of weeks?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Or I try to do one a week?
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one a week?
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Would you have believed them that you were going to
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: be no, you know, podcasting or doing a regular.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: It's actually Joe's fault. He's the one that suggested.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: He's very persuasive.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Yes, those Joe.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: We we love Joe Strucker.
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  Speaker 3: I mean without him, I mean a lot of this
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: stuff would not be happening.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: We I'm mentioned Iris Rolli before we went to the
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: last break, and you have I thought you did great
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: work talking about her contract when it was discovered that
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I guess she had her son working down on Government
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Square passing out some information, getting paid roughly fifty eight
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: dollars an hour, which is to my way of thinking,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: is a pretty I know a lot of people that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: would like to earn fifty eight dollars an hour, Yes,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: passing out some leaflets down a down at Government Square. Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: but you have some additional information regarding the contract that
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: she has with the city, right, Well, she's carved out
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a pretty good gig.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: For herself.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Has she not, Yeah, she has tell me about it
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: well before the election and all the controversies we had
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: this summer, and when the FOP filed a complain about
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: Miss Rolli allegedly interfering with police policemen on the street.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I think we saw some video to that effected.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: We know, yeah, you saw a couple of clips videos,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: And that's really what got me, uh paying attention to
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: to miss Rolli. Well, something they must have put her
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: on on the they must have benched her for a
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: period of time. And then the next thing you know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: the mayor is on with Lincoln ware A saying that
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: they've negotiated a new contract with with Iris Rolly. And
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I thought that was going to be kind of They're
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: going to fix all those kind of fast and loose
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: provisions in the contract.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, So when when I when I seen to
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: make sense.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: So when I heard that, I said, well, I'm going
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: to ask for a copy.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Of the new contract book document right right.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: It took me a little while to get it, but
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: it's very very unusual you have a you have a
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Soul source contract that was issued in twenty twenty three
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: that I don't think is really justified. But then you
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: have three amendments since then. And the original value of
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: the of the twenty three contract was about two hundred
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: and ten thousand dollars. That was a total value of
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: the contract. Now fast forward to the third amendment, which
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: is what this new contract is called. The value of
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: the contract is now six hundred and forty one thousand dollars,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: and that goes through when that goes through twenty seven through.
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  Speaker 3: Twenty twenty seven. Yeah, and so that that's only that
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: that's only two years through through the end of twenty seven. Right, Well,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: the the so six hundred thousand dollars.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Right, the value of the contract goes from now until
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: twenty seven, and it includes other things.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: That six hundred grand.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the total value.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Is what she's pulling down from the city.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: If if she completes all years of the.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Comment, I would say she's got a pretty good incentive
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: to do that. I think she'd us But for what
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: and what type of services is Misroly.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Providing, Well, there's very important. There's two categories. I'd say
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: one is she was originally contracted to consult and it
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: has to do with the collaborative agreement and sustaining that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: She's an expert in those.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: The management advisory group that she's involved in. But then
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: the second and third or the first, second and third
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: amendments have added what I view as program responsibilities. One
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: is called the Government Square Initiative, and that's where the
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: city is paying her a lump sum like seventy five
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: thousand dollars to carry out I don't know if you'd
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: call a community engagement or what the official term would be,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: but they're down at these transit hubs to kind of
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: chaperone the kids when they exchange buses or get off
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: the buses.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: And they are providing too, which is very very important.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: They are they're providing snacks and things like that. So
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: that's called the Government Square Initiative. And what happened is
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: that the contract ended when the school year ended. The
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Government Square Initiative ended when the school year ended, and
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: it wasn't going to start up until the fall, so
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: there was this summer period. There was a gap. Iris
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Rowley didn't have authorization to spend any money during that period.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: So the third Amendment fixed that. By all me so,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: but the program wasn't the Government Square Initiative because the
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: kids aren't in school now it's called that period, it's
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: called summer in the city.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Some are in the city.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: So those programs have absolutely increased the contract value and
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: they should actually be bid out a separate contract.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Does the contract spell.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Out her her area of areas of expertise and her
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: background in the different areas, you know, consulting backgrounds, and
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe I don't know, miss if she's got
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: a legal background or a criminal justice background.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Or well the the background in you know, social work
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: My main issue with what's going on is these non
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: competitive contracts. The city Procurement rules say very clearly non
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: competitive contracts, soul source contracts should be extremely rare and
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: they require a justification. So the justification for Ms Rowlies
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: it's at one page, basically one paragraph, and it cites
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: her a work in the civil rights movement, and it
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: cites her involvement with the original Collaborative Agreement and all
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: of those things. But my point, and I've made this
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: to the city, is that before COVID, they actually had
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: a city employee on staff doing the things that they've
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: contracted iris Roli to do. And my thing is my
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: thing is if if they were able to hire a
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: city employee to do the work. I don't think that
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: you can say that miss Rowley is uniquely qualified or
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: that her qualifications are the only ones that can do
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: the work.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: And she continues her role on the Citizens Complaining of
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: forty does she not?
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Yes, it's she's not. She's not on the authority, but well,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I'll have to check that. I think I think she
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: interacts with them based on her consulting role. Ah, but
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know if she's still on the on the
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: commission or committee itself.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: There's not very many that can carry out duties like that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Ye see. One of the things I thought was that
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: if she's going around telling people, you know, they should
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: be filing complaints against police officers they interact with. All
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: that does is they add to the backlog for the
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Citizens Complaint Authority that's already through the roof.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: So she's out there drumming up work.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: That's the way it looked to me.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: All right, Joe, do I got to get to a
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: break here. I'm late for a break. I'm late for
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: a break. Let's go ahead and do that now, and
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: we'll continue with Todd Zinzer on fifty five K r
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  Speaker 3: CV talk stays.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: This season, make the holiday an.
• 27:31
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• 27:34
  Speaker 3: I'm late whatever Joe Strucker tells you. That's the voice
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: of Todd Zenzer, Citizen Watchdog. Great to have Men's studio
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: this morning, so much stuff to talk about.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: You showed me a.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Document a little while ago about that is a financial
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: disclosure from our mayor, and I mean he is he
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: is very well invested. He's got an extensive portfolio, so
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: that that is very nice to see. And when it
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: comes to the repossession of his vehicles, was was he
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: supposed to report that to the state of Ohio or
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: what's what's the deal on it?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Well, if if you carry debt, if you have creditors
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: you have you have to report that on your financial disclosure. Unfortunately,
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: the forms that Ohio uses.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: You've had a look at those forms, have you not?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I have?
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: They don't.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: What did you find there?
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: Well, they don't require really any information in terms of,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: you know, the debt. They just make make the official
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: list his creditors. And he's done that for three creditors.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Uh And but there's no information about how far in
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: debt the mayor is, So that's not extremely useful. There's one, Uh,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: there's three creditors, American Express, Lincoln National, which must be
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a loan on an insurance policy or something, or Lincoln Financial.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but the third one is an outfit called
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: ACS ACS and you don't know what ACS really stands for.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of acs is, but I will say
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that there are ACS's that are collection agencies. So it
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: would just take more information to know whether or not
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: that has anything to do with his repossession of his cars.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: For most people, dealing with the collection agency is a
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: one time thing. You know, you've you've missed a payment
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, or you've got something that you overlooked
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: in you deal with that. You you get it squared away.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: And I would not think to put a collection agency
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: on my list of creditors. If I had to fill
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: out such a financial disclosure. Well, his last night, I go,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: I don't have to do that here at iHeart meeting.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: You know, I might not be beyond his microphone very long.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: His last three disclosure reports twenty two, twenty three, twenty four,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: twenty five is not doing until next year. They all
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: list the same three creditors. Yeah, so whatever the debts
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: are to those creditors they've been long standing. Yeah, okay,
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: so it's the financial statement reports weren't very helpful in
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: terms of figuring out what the truth is about his
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: repossessed vehicles or vehicle whatever, but it did show that
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: he doesn't seem to have a lot of financial problems.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, but the thing is, it's it
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: seems so silly that you just don't get in front
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: of this thing, come clean about it. It's going to
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: go Look, a car getting repossessed is not the worst
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: thing that can happen financially, but just own it.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Put it in the rear view mirror.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: But the if he continues the stonewall on this, the
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: truth is out there and eventually when that gets found out,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: it's going to drag him down.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Just get it, get it, get it over with, man.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I mean that to me, it seems that that would
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: be the prudent thing to do.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: That's right, get in front of it. Because what happens
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: is if if people think that you're not being forthcoming,
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: they're going to wonder, well, what else is going on?
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Why why wouldn't he be forthcoming about this? Because he
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to be embarrassed well, he's already in that category.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: But what else is going on that he would not
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: be forthcoming about this?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Kevin Aldrich from The Inquirer wrote
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: a you know, a little column on this, and you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: talking about how trust is the most important currency at
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: city Hall and just come on, mister mayor, well af
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: in front of it.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: After the railroad vote, both he and Reggie Harris were
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: on TV saying, yeah, we need to rebuild the trust
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: of the people in city Hall. And then they turn
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: around and within a year they do connected communities, right,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: which majority, if not all, the neighborhood councils opposed. And
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: then they did they did these zoning laws for development
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: that the citizens opposed. Well, they haven't done anything to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: build trust back.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at your website right now and your podcast
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: from November twenty fifth talks about the city's lead pipe scandal.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: I want to touch on that before we before we
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: call it a morning. So we've got one more break
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: to get in here, and then we'll continue on with
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: todds In's or Citizen Watchdog on fifty five KRC, the
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: talk station.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Hey, Gary Salvan here, oder exits a.
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: LI eight fifty Tuesday Morning, Dan Carrol and Brian Thomas
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: todd Zen's or the Citizen Watchdog is here. And you
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: did a podcast back on November twenty fifth. I have
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: not listened to it, but you talk about the city's
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: lead pipe scandal. Yes, and give me a thumbnail of that.
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: Well, the city wound up this water works, I should say,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: wound up conducting an investigation based on an audit, an
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: internal audit that was conducted that found that there were
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: members of the lead crew, or at least one member
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: of the lead crew, that was stealing the scrap lead
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: and instead of processing it for recycling, was selling it
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: on the street to these scrappers.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And there was they probably sold it for recycling.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Well, you hope, so, but there's no you know, the
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: trail goes cold. Nobody is, which is my big problem.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of missing lead.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: Well, the program, the program's been going on five or
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: six years and the recycler never got any scrap lead.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: So what happened to it? And the issue for me
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: is whether that whether the city did what they call
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: a hazardous waste determination to see whether those lead pipes
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: constituted hazardous waste. So I do have a request in
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: for that documentation. I haven't gotten it yet, But if
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: they didn't do it hazardous waste determination, they could they
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: could run into trouble with the state EPA and the
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: federally FEDERALPA.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would imagine that if in that part
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: of the contract, if you don't follow certain regulations that
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: are laid on and I'm sure there's got to be
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: a lung when it comes to dealing with lead pipes
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: and things like that. There's got to be a long
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: list of environmental regulations, even under the Trump administration. Yeah,
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: if you do not adhere to those, you could be
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: in line for some significant finds, could you not.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Right, there's a federal there's a federal law called the
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: Resource Conservation and Recovery Act RICRA, and it has civil
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: and criminal provisions. But the civil provisions are some of
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: these finds can go up to like tens of thousands
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: of dollars a day, and it's a very serious statute.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: And I just have to believe that the waterworks did
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: their due diligence, did the hazardous waste determination, and we
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: don't have to be concerned about lead pipe scrap, lead
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: pipe leaking into our waterworks or water system.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: But I mean it's got to be that's I mean
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: the lead pipes that were in and around Cincinnati, which
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: by the way, has a great reputation as having one
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: of the absolute best water filtration systems right the entire country.
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: Right, and the Cincinnati Futures Commission recommends get we sell
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: it or regionalize it and lose control of it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Oh, for God's sake, all right, Well, let's let's let's
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: recap because we only got about a minute and a
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: half left here. So Iris Rolli's getting has a contract
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: that's worth about six hundred grand.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yes, so that that that's great for her.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: The settlement that's going to pay eight point one million
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: dollars to these rioters and people that were engaging in
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: misbehavior in downtown Cincinnati is very light on specificity, right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: We we really don't know whether it was a good case,
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: a bad case in between, or why they're settling.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: And your recommendation to the members of the committee that
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: are going to look at this today would be.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: To what I'd call a well I'd call an executive
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: session and bring make sure that we look at what
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: the Solicitor's office has come up with there should be
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: an absolute risk assessment written provided to the city Council
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: that at least they could deliberate. But the way it's
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: going to work is they're going to propose the ordinance
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: that the chairman of the committee is going to say,
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: we got this ordinance, and then they'll go around to
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: each member and each member will pontificate about why this
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: is such a great deal.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I wonder if they're going to take public comment at
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: this at this committee meeting.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: They will at the beginning of every committee meeting and
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: the council full council they give people two minutes.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Could be entertaining.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: It could be there.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: And the mayor is very well invested and should not
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: let this repossession thing drag him down.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think he needs to tell the truth
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: about what was going on with these repossessions.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Todd, Zen's a great meeting in person, man, Thank you
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: so much for coming in. And I know you've got
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: a high level meeting that you have to go to
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: with Joe Strecker, so you don't that's going to be
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: the highlight of your day right there. Todd's ins are
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: all the best to you, man, all right, all right,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: we'll see you down the road and that's it for me.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Glenn Beck is coming up next. Thanks for listening.