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The Kenny Report | 21 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: This is The Kenny Report.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to another week here on The Kenny Report. Tonight,
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Speaker 2: four more decades of budget deficits, four more decades of
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Speaker 2: high spending, high taxing and growing debt, but the Albanese
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Speaker 2: Labor government says, don't worry, AI will fix it all. Meanwhile,
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Speaker 2: while Labor plummets in the polls, your Prime Minister's in
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Speaker 2: New York at the United Nations and he doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to be bothered by difficult issues back home. The scourge
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Speaker 2: of domestic violence, lives taken, including children and families torn
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Speaker 2: apart forever. What are the trends and where are the solutions? Also,
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Speaker 2: Sophie Ellsworth in the UK, where illegal immigrants have a
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Speaker 2: little village terrified. And with Gemma Tognini and Caroline DiRusso,
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Speaker 2: we'll discuss the Ed Sheeran mess over the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Let's start in the city that
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Speaker 2: never sleeps, where our illustrious Prime Minister is escaping the
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Speaker 2: dreary business of domestic politics, difficult issues and falling opinion
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Speaker 2: poll numbers, preferring to indulge himself in the annual festival
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Speaker 2: of multilateral virtue signalling that is the United Nations General Assembly. Remember,
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Speaker 2: this is where Albanese last year recognised the non-existent state
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Speaker 2: of Palestine, a decision many of us warned would only
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Speaker 2: reward terrorism. but only won him plaudits at the UN,
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Speaker 2: of course. But ask the PM about some Indigenous children
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Speaker 2: being abused and neglected in the same neighbourhood in Western
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Speaker 2: Australia's Pilbara where others were murdered just four years ago,
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Speaker 2: as we highlighted here last week, and Albanese offers only
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Speaker 2: a handpass.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is a Western Australian issue. And, you know,
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Speaker 3: I will refer you once again to Melendere McCarthy, our
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Speaker 3: minister in Australia. It is impossible to follow on an
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Speaker 3: hour-by-hour basis what is happening in Australia from New York.
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Speaker 2: How dare the journalist bother Albanese with such matters while
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Speaker 2: he's breathing the rarefied air of New York in General
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Speaker 2: Assembly season. Well, it only got worse for the PM,
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Speaker 2: thanks to a brutal but fair question from reporter for
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Speaker 2: The Nightly, Latika Burke. Mr.
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Speaker 4: Hill, New York, on Wednesday night, you will receive an
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Speaker 4: award for being a global citizen.
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Speaker 5: Don't you feel like a bit of a fraud accepting this.
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Speaker 6: Award when, at home, you screwed up the response to
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Speaker 6: the worst massacre since Port Arthur? In the polls, you
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Speaker 6: are taken later to one point shy of Julie Gillard
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Speaker 6: when you rolled her.
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Speaker 4: And your net negatives are worse than Scott Morrison?
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Speaker 2: No. Tough question. Weak answer. Of course he wanted none
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Speaker 2: of it. And he'll happily line up for his Global
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Speaker 2: Citizen Award.
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Speaker 7: Why?
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Speaker 2: Well, because if you're a member of Labor's socialist left,
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Speaker 2: as Albanese and his foreign minister, Penny Wong, both are,
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Speaker 2: you'll always bow to the UN crowd. Always prefer sanctimonious
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Speaker 2: grandstanding on global or multilateral issues rather to standing up
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Speaker 2: for your own country and national priorities. Want an example
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Speaker 2: or two of this to prove my case? How about
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Speaker 2: upending our national electricity grid and undermining families, businesses and
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Speaker 2: industries by pledging to meet UN emissions reduction goals instead
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Speaker 2: of providing reliable and affordable energy? What about recognising the
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Speaker 2: non-existent state of Palestine, even if it risks rewarding and
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Speaker 2: inspiring Islamist extremists in your own backyard? Or what about
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Speaker 2: making another bid for Australia to take up a temporary
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Speaker 2: seat on the UN Security Council? Yeah, that's what Albanese
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Speaker 2: and Wong are doing, borrowing more millions of dollars on
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Speaker 2: your behalf in the hope they can win a campaign
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Speaker 2: to sit at that Security Council table again, even though
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Speaker 2: when it suits him, Albanese often pretends Australia has little
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Speaker 2: say in global affairs.
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Speaker 3: So I think that Australia putting ourselves forward is something
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Speaker 3: I'm proud of. I'm so proud to be Australian Prime Minister.
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Speaker 3: And often one of the things I get frustrated by
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Speaker 3: sometimes is us talking Australia down. Fortunately, no one here
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Speaker 3: would ever do that. But.
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Speaker 2: Mr, you're the one who always says that.
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Speaker 7: I am... I am.
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Speaker 6: we can't have too much influence in that.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for the contribution. Australia punches above our weight.
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Speaker 2: The last time Australia ran for a UN Security Council seat,
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Speaker 2: it not only cost a bomb for the campaign, but
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Speaker 2: it distorted our foreign policy, especially through our aid budget.
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Speaker 2: Under the Rudd and Gillard governments, foreign aid to Africa
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Speaker 2: increased about threefold, from about $ 116 million a year to
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Speaker 2: almost $ 440 million annually. Why? Because that's where a stack
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Speaker 2: of United Nations votes are available, especially from the 49
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Speaker 2: countries in sub-Saharan Africa. We were trading aid for votes
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Speaker 2: in a part of the world where they need aid, sure,
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Speaker 2: but they get truckloads of it from the countries that
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Speaker 2: should be paying it, the former African colonial powers like
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Speaker 2: the UK, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, all those sorts of countries.
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Speaker 2: Back when Australia was doing this, it meant that proportionately
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Speaker 2: we were providing less aid in our region, in the
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Speaker 2: South Pacific, just when China was moving in. So apart
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Speaker 2: from the grandstanding and the money spent directly on this
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Speaker 2: Security Council campaign, watch out for how it's likely to
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Speaker 2: distort our foreign policy. It'll take plenty of our money
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Speaker 2: and our politicians to Africa, no doubt, when they should
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Speaker 2: be focused on our region Back in Australia, the grim
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Speaker 2: reality of where we're at as a country and how
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Speaker 2: Labor refuses to learn the error of its ways was
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Speaker 2: laid out in the latest intergenerational report. This was released
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Speaker 2: by the ever-smug Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, who was trying to
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Speaker 2: pretend that a government that has taken spending to record levels,
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Speaker 2: taxes to record levels and debt to record levels is
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Speaker 2: actually doing good things for the future.
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Speaker 8: One of the key conclusions I'm hoping that you draw
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Speaker 8: from this intergenerational report when you've gone through it in
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Speaker 8: detail is that every page of this IGR in one
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Speaker 8: way or another justifies.
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Speaker 8: Validates and I hope one day vindicates the difficult decisions
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Speaker 8: that we've taken reforming the housing market and reforming the
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Speaker 8: tax system.
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Speaker 2: Good Lord, Chalmers expects you to believe this spin. Then again,
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Speaker 2: he expected you to believe your power prices were going
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Speaker 2: down and that he wouldn't fiddle with your legislated tax
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Speaker 2: cuts and that he wouldn't change negative gearing. and that
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Speaker 2: he wouldn't increase capital gains tax. So he has form
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Speaker 2: in spinning wildly, and given people have fallen for it
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Speaker 2: in the past, he figures it'll keep working. Well, let's
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Speaker 2: inject a little reality into the discussion. In March this year,
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Speaker 2: former Treasurer Peter Costello explained why a quarter of a
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Speaker 2: century ago, he decided it would be a good idea
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Speaker 2: to commission an intergenerational report every five years.
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Speaker 9: It requires our government every five years to produce an
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Speaker 9: intergenerational report to look at the long term sustainability of
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Speaker 9: policies over 40 years and in particular to look at
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Speaker 9: demographic change. The annual budget will tell you something about
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Speaker 9: this year but the intergenerational report wants to tell you
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Speaker 9: how that is going to build over the next 40 years.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, and it's worth recapping what the first report
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Speaker 2: revealed back in 2002. It began as follows.
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Speaker 9: Commonwealth finances are strong. The Commonwealth budget has recorded accumulated
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Speaker 9: cash surpluses. Commonwealth net debt, already one of the lowest
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Speaker 9: amongst the industrialised economies, has fallen. Sound fiscal management has
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Speaker 9: given us a platform for low inflationary growth. jobs and
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Speaker 9: higher incomes. You see, it was a pretty good starting point.
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Speaker 9: But we knew problems were coming.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there were problems coming. The GFC, the pandemic and
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Speaker 2: future Labor governments. But the Howard government, with Costello as Treasurer,
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Speaker 2: delivered surpluses, tax cuts, real wages growth and it got
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Speaker 2: rid of all government debt. It eliminated debt altogether. and
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Speaker 2: set up the Future Fund. That surely was the best
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Speaker 2: outcome for future Australians.
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Speaker 9: So the first intergenerational report in 2002 was a wake
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Speaker 9: up call. We didn't want future generations to be settled
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Speaker 9: with higher tax. We didn't want them to have lower productivity.
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Speaker 9: We had to cap spending. We wanted to set out
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Speaker 9: and build a strong financial position. We had an ambitious
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Speaker 9: program to pay off sovereign debt.
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Speaker 2: We wanted to.
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Speaker 9: Get the national government debt-free. As I've always said, debt-free
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Speaker 9: government is the best youth policy you'll ever come across.
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Speaker 2: That was then, but this is now. Our new world,
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Speaker 2: the Jim Chalmers world, where debt has hit a trillion dollars,
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Speaker 2: $ 1, 000 billion. And this latest intergenerational report shows the federal
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Speaker 2: budget will remain in deficit for another 40 years. So
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Speaker 2: debt is only going up. But listen to Jim spin.
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Speaker 8: Getting the interest repayments cost down from saving $ 200 billion
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Speaker 8: off the debt trajectory we inherited is key.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he says debt will be lower than it was
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Speaker 2: once forecast to be. But it will, of course, be higher.
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Speaker 2: And the really worrying thing is that with this depressing outlook,
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Speaker 2: Labor proposes no changes in their behaviour. The report tells
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Speaker 2: us that over the next 40 years, renewable energy, including
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Speaker 2: offshore wind, would you believe it, will be able to
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Speaker 2: take care of all of our energy needs. Sure. And
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Speaker 2: it says that government spending will never return to less
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Speaker 2: than a quarter of the economy, but instead will keep rising.
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Speaker 2: And the only solution it offers is AI, telling us
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Speaker 2: that AI will transform the country's industrial base with new
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Speaker 2: technologies lifting workplace productivity and changing the skills in demand. Yep,
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Speaker 2: Labor has got productivity and GDP per capita going backwards
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Speaker 2: But AI will fix it all.
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Speaker 8: Productivity, investment and labour market impacts of AI will be dramatic.
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Speaker 8: AI will play a pivotal role in reaching long-term productivity
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Speaker 8: growth of 1.2% and higher if productivity gains accelerate over time.
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Speaker 2: So, according to Labor, it can continue with its reckless spending,
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Speaker 2: national energy self-harm and taxation shambles... And all will be
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Speaker 2: fine thanks to AI. They are taking the intergenerational report
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Speaker 2: as an endorsement of their policies. Instead of rescuing us
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Speaker 2: from a dire situation largely of their making, Albanese encharmers
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Speaker 2: are like Thelma and Louise with their foot on the accelerator.
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Speaker 2: You sure?
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh! I'm glad they're sure. We've all seen this Labor
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Speaker 2: fiscal movie before and it doesn't end well. This Ed
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Speaker 2: Sheeran situation in the US is a pretty sad affair
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Speaker 2: and it shows just how extreme the pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel
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Speaker 2: movement has become. They are effectively saying now that unless
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Speaker 2: you toe their line, unless you tell lies about Israel,
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Speaker 2: that is, promote the outrageous, disprovable lies about genocide and
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Speaker 2: the targeting of civilians and all the other blood libels
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Speaker 2: made against Israel by the Islamist extremists, they're saying unless
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Speaker 2: you amplify those vile views, you'll be harangued and cancelled.
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Speaker 2: So on the weekend, in a bid to rescue his
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Speaker 2: tour and protect his career, Sheeran tried to placate the
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Speaker 2: angry mob who have turned on him since the hateful
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Speaker 2: and ignorant rapper who opened his shows with pro-Palestinian and
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Speaker 2: anti-Israel rants was dropped. Sheeran said he never wanted to
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Speaker 2: be political, but his hand had been forced.
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Speaker 11: But this is a humanitarian issue and I cannot hide
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Speaker 11: how I feel about it anymore.
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Speaker 12: What happened in Israel and at the No Music Festival
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Speaker 12: on October 7th was.
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Speaker 11: Horrific and compounded centuries of Jewish pain.
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Speaker 2: What is happening in.
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Speaker 13: Gaza is catastrophic and unjustifiable and disproportionate.
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Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt it's catastrophic, but disproportionate? On what basis?
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Speaker 2: Is Israel supposed to leave Hamas terrorists in place, waiting
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Speaker 2: for them to slaughter, rape and defile another 1,200 people,
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Speaker 2: including women and children, as well as take hostages and
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Speaker 2: torture and kill them? What's the proportionate response? Leaving Hamas
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Speaker 2: in control? What other country would harbour in this way
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Speaker 2: terrorists committed to killing its people? Why doesn't Shirin attack Hamas,
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Speaker 2: demanding Hamas end all hostilities, stop killing innocents and lay
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Speaker 2: down its arms? Why does he just give in to
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Speaker 2: the leftist anti-Israel mob, giving succour to the Islamist extremists? Look,
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Speaker 2: we know it's tough, but here's an idea. If you
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Speaker 2: have to say something, how about standing up for the truth?
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Speaker 9: My heart has been broken by the scale of devastation
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Speaker 9: and loss of civilians' lives, of children's lives.
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Speaker 2: And the systemic injustice we're seeing unfolding.
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Speaker 14: In the West Bank cannot be overlooked.
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Speaker 15: I am already speaking to people across the spectrum to work.
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Speaker 4: Out how to make a contribution that helps victims of
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Speaker 4: these terrible times and listening and learning.
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Speaker 2: Because I do not know enough. Clearly, he doesn't know enough.
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Speaker 2: Most of the activists clearly don't know anything So before
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Speaker 2: you speak, best to learn more. Inform yourself about how
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Speaker 2: Hamas is committed to genocide and how Israel's Defence Force
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Speaker 2: is doing more than any army ever has to minimise
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Speaker 2: civilian casualties and how Hamas kills its own people and
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Speaker 2: puts others in harm's way deliberately to advance its evil cause.
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Speaker 2: I mean, now Sheeran has just started mouthing the same
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Speaker 2: fallacies that his now-dumped support act was pushing.
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Speaker 5: A big part of the reason why I wanted to
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Speaker 5: do this tour in the first place is so I
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Speaker 5: could stand up in stadiums.
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Speaker 16: Like this and say two words.
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Speaker 4: That are very near and dear to my heart.
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Speaker 2: Free Palestine.
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Speaker 16: Free Palestine.
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Speaker 12: I said free Palestine.
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Speaker 2: Who does this bloke want Palestine freed from? Hamas? Fatah?
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Speaker 2: Islamic Jihad? Does he even know that Israel vacated Gaza
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Speaker 2: 20 years ago, forced Israelis out of the territory at
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Speaker 2: gunpoint to hand it over to the Gazans? What did
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Speaker 2: the people of Gaza do with that opportunity? How did
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Speaker 2: that work out for the people of Gaza? If you
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Speaker 2: want to hear just how nutty and hateful this bloke is,
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Speaker 2: listen to his idiotic broader calls for freedom.
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Speaker 17: Free Lebanon.
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Speaker 12: Free Cuba, to the Congo, to Sudan, to Iran, and
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Speaker 12: all the people living in America that have to live
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Speaker 12: in fear because of this terrorist organisation, ICE.
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Speaker 2: He fails to denounce the Islamist terrorists of Hamas who
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Speaker 2: kidnap and kill little toddlers and their mothers, but he
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Speaker 2: labels law enforcement officers in the US as terrorists. Look,
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Speaker 2: Ed Sheeran is a little unlucky, caught up in an
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Speaker 2: issue not of his making. But once that happened, he
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Speaker 2: had a choice and he should be calling out these
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Speaker 2: hateful and illogical views. and denouncing them. He should be
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Speaker 2: speaking the truth, not trying to echo these vicious slogans
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Speaker 2: in a vain attempt to placate the extremists. For starters,
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Speaker 2: here's the kicker, they will never be placated. Let's go
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Speaker 2: to Tasmania now and catch up with the Shadow Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs Minister, Jonathan Dunningham. Thanks for joining us, Jonathan. I
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Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to some of the issues
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Speaker 2: I've gone through there in the opening to the program.
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Speaker 2: First up, the Prime Ministers and the Foreign Ministers bid
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Speaker 2: for a seat again, a temporary seat of the United
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Speaker 2: Nations Security Council. Does the Coalition support that?
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Speaker 1: Well, the big question for us, and I dare say
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Speaker 1: most Australians, is what do we get out of it?
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Speaker 1: Of course, it's great for us to be able to
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Speaker 1: participate in global efforts to secure our world. But at
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Speaker 1: a time when the home fires are starting to go
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Speaker 1: out because of economic decline and bad fiscal management and
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Speaker 1: bad government broadly, I don't know that that is the
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Speaker 1: number one priority Australians want their government focusing on. I
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Speaker 1: don't think people are going to be saying, wow, thank
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Speaker 1: God the Prime Minister's over there pushing for this when
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Speaker 1: they can't pay their power bill, when the value of
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Speaker 1: their home has fallen through the floor, yet they're still
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Speaker 1: paying massive mortgage repayments. There are just so many other
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Speaker 1: issues this government should be focused on in front of
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Speaker 1: this one of getting a seat at the Security Council.
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Speaker 2: Which brings me to the intergenerational report. I found it
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Speaker 2: very alarming when you looked at a country locked into
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Speaker 2: budget deficits for the next 40 years and record debt
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Speaker 2: and slugging growth and at the moment we've got productivity
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Speaker 2: going backwards and GDP per capita going backwards but Jim
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Speaker 2: Chalmers says don't worry effectively, AI is going to fix
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Speaker 2: it all.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, putting all your eggs in that basket is going
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Speaker 17: to blow up in your face. I mean, one of
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Speaker 17: the big regrets I have out of COVID is And
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Speaker 17: I remember making this contribution to an all-ministry meeting back
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Speaker 17: when COVID was taking off. We were pouring all of
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Speaker 17: this money into the economy to try and keep it functioning,
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Speaker 17: helping businesses stay open. A lot of that money misplaced
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Speaker 17: in some cases, but we.
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Speaker 1: Did nothing to cut red tape, remove regulation, to create productivity.
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Speaker 14: When we came out of the COVID pandemic. And this
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Speaker 14: is the same.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they won't change their overburden, some regulatory processes.
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Speaker 14: They won't cut back on spending.
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Speaker 1: Instead, They've found the latest cash cow, which is apparently AI,
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Speaker 1: which is a lot of businesses that will pay significant
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Speaker 1: amounts of tax and they reckon transform the economy.
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Speaker 14: It is a wing and a prayer strategy. It's something
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Speaker 14: my colleagues would say.
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Speaker 1: And while I'm a big supporter of AI and I
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Speaker 1: reckon we can do a lot with it in this
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Speaker 1: country and reap some massive benefits.
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Speaker 14: I'm not convinced it should be the.
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Speaker 1: One strategy Labor go after to fix all of their
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Speaker 1: economic woes.
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Speaker 2: Well, AI should allow us to shrink the size of
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Speaker 2: government bureaucracies, but we don't hear Labor talking about that.
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Speaker 2: I've got an expert economist joining me in a moment
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Speaker 2: to get into those issues. Let me move on to
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Speaker 2: the polls with you, though, Jonathan, because they are more
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Speaker 2: bad news for the government, with Labor's primary vote falling
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Speaker 2: again and One Nation... leading the way on 30%. Of course,
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Speaker 2: Labor dropping another two points to 27%. You must be distressed, though,
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Speaker 2: with the coalition's static 19%. I mean, you're barely two-thirds.
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Speaker 2: You're not even two-thirds of what One Nation are polling.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, well, again, the numbers are the numbers. It's another poll.
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Speaker 1: It further demonstrates that we really do have a lot
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Speaker 1: more work to do. I'm not going to pretend it's
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Speaker 1: OK and don't.
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Speaker 14: Worry about it. The message has been heard loud and clear.
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Speaker 1: There are policies that Australians will see and hear about
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Speaker 1: from us that I have absolute belief will give Australians
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Speaker 1: a reason to come back to us. People have lost
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Speaker 1: faith in Labor. We need to give them a reason
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Speaker 1: to come back to us. It's a pretty straightforward proposition. Now,
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Speaker 1: time is of the essence, absolutely, but this is what
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Speaker 1: we have.
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Speaker 14: To get about doing.
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Speaker 1: And so in a couple of weeks, we'll have our
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Speaker 1: migration policy out there. That is one of those policies
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Speaker 1: we need to get out and sell It's one of
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Speaker 1: those things One Nation have been strong on and spoken.
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Speaker 14: About and probably is reflected in the polls.
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Speaker 1: So hard work from us, massive challenge, but we're up
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Speaker 1: to it and we've got to do it for the
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Speaker 1: sake of the country.
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Speaker 2: Just on policies, quickly, we know petrol prices are too high.
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Speaker 2: We know that's largely driven by strife in the Middle East,
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Speaker 2: in the short term at least. Angus Taylor is now
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Speaker 2: saying that a coalition government would... cut the excise again
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Speaker 2: to give people that relief, but it would be paid
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Speaker 2: for by additional revenue garnered by cutting the excise on cigarettes.
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Speaker 2: This sounds a little ambitious. Could I suggest even magic
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Speaker 2: pudding economics?
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Speaker 1: No, it's actually costed by the PBO. So when you
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Speaker 1: cripple the illegal tobacco trade, so you undercut them with
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Speaker 1: the reduction in excise on legal products, making it price competitive,
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Speaker 1: you clamp down on the illegal trade by... adding enforcement
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Speaker 1: capacity and really destroying their business networks.
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Speaker 14: People will shift back to, and we'd.
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Speaker 1: Love them not to smoke, but those who choose to
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Speaker 1: smoke will shift back to the legal product. The modelling
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Speaker 1: we have done shows that that will, over the forward estimates,
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Speaker 1: give us $ 8 billion. Now, part of that could be used,
23:32
Speaker 1: as has been discussed, to pay for a bit of
23:34
Speaker 1: cost of living relief. Obviously, we need to do everything
23:37
Speaker 1: we can to end the energy madness and other approaches
23:40
Speaker 1: this government have taken. But it is just one small thing, costed,
23:43
Speaker 1: fully funded, that we think we could do to help
23:45
Speaker 1: Australians make ends meet.
23:47
Speaker 2: Jonathan, thanks for joining us. I appreciate it. Jonathan Dunningham
23:49
Speaker 2: there speaking to us from Tasmania. I want to go
23:52
Speaker 2: now to the University of New South Wales economics professor,
23:56
Speaker 2: Gigi Foster, for more on this intergenerational report. Thanks for
23:59
Speaker 2: joining us again, Gigi. You would have heard that conversation.
24:03
Speaker 2: We know about the economic challenges here. They are dire,
24:06
Speaker 2: yet this report, and certainly Jim Chalmers' interpretation of it,
24:10
Speaker 2: seems to say AI is going to fix it all.
24:13
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's very much the impression I got as well, Chris.
24:16
Speaker 5: But I also had a really interesting response to some
24:19
Speaker 5: other things in the report. I mean, there are these
24:21
Speaker 5: assumptions which don't have any actual basis in what we
24:25
Speaker 5: are now seeing in various statistics. So, for example, the
24:29
Speaker 5: longevity projections that this report contains are not supported by
24:33
Speaker 5: actual longevity increases in the recent past. I mean, we
24:37
Speaker 5: just don't see that. Longevity has been going backwards for
24:40
Speaker 5: the last few years. How are we going to then
24:42
Speaker 5: push it out by so much that this intergenerational report
24:46
Speaker 5: predictions actually come true? Similarly, in energy, there's nothing said
24:50
Speaker 5: about nuclear at all. Nuclear doesn't even make a showing
24:53
Speaker 5: in terms of its impact, so-called, you know, supposed predicted
24:57
Speaker 5: impact on our suiting our energy needs.
25:00
Speaker 2: In fact, it pretends... Look at the energy section.
25:03
Speaker 14: I was staggered.
25:04
Speaker 2: They basically say, well, meet all our energy needs through renewables,
25:08
Speaker 2: with the tiniest slither of gas generation, less gas than
25:11
Speaker 2: we have now. Well, this... Apart from the fact that
25:14
Speaker 2: no-one has ever been able to do this anywhere in
25:16
Speaker 2: the world, I mean, where are they getting this from?
25:19
Speaker 2: This is actually just hope rather than reality.
25:22
Speaker 14: Yeah, no, it's made up stuff.
25:24
Speaker 5: And it's not addressing the core problems that we have.
25:26
Speaker 5: One of the problems we have is noted in the report,
25:29
Speaker 5: which is a low and falling fertility rate. But I
25:32
Speaker 5: didn't see anything in the report about trying to encourage
25:34
Speaker 5: people to have more kids and really, really pushing that hard.
25:38
Speaker 5: They're not going to do a baby bonus. They make
25:40
Speaker 5: these noises about lowering taxes. Maybe a little bit of
25:43
Speaker 5: tax relief would be helpful. But they're also putting more
25:47
Speaker 5: and more and more in superannuation. At least that's the plan.
25:50
Speaker 5: That's money that's locked up that working families can't use.
25:53
Speaker 5: So I just don't see how that's helping people to
25:56
Speaker 5: make better decisions that will grow families and grow productivity
26:00
Speaker 5: as well. I mean, the regulatory burden isn't mentioned at all.
26:03
Speaker 5: It's just the same story of, oh, yes, we, the government,
26:06
Speaker 5: must take care of everybody by ensuring that things are
26:09
Speaker 5: just right. Well, maybe just release markets to do some
26:12
Speaker 5: of that discovery. for, you know, for AI and for
26:15
Speaker 5: all the other technologies that are coming down the road,
26:17
Speaker 5: because I think AI has a bit of a bubble
26:19
Speaker 5: component to it, and putting all your eggs in that
26:21
Speaker 5: basket is very unwise.
26:24
Speaker 2: Well, it's also lazy, because there are other things you
26:26
Speaker 2: should be able to do. We've talked a lot on
26:28
Speaker 2: this program in recent months about the lack of productivity growth,
26:31
Speaker 2: that going backwards, and the way that means we can't
26:34
Speaker 2: get wages growth without inflation, and the way that means
26:37
Speaker 2: we've had real GDP per capita going backwards... I want
26:42
Speaker 2: to show you an exchange with the Reserve Bank Governor
26:45
Speaker 2: on Friday on this issue of GDP per capita over
26:49
Speaker 2: the past four years flatlining and whether that's the worst ever.
26:52
Speaker 2: Have a look.
26:54
Speaker 18: Is there a time you can recall ever in Australia's
26:56
Speaker 18: history where we've had GDP per capita flat for four years?
27:01
Speaker 4: We don't know the answer.
27:02
Speaker 19: We'd have to go back and look at the long history.
27:04
Speaker 19: Given that productivity now is so weak relative to history...
27:08
Speaker 19: It would be surprising if there had been previous episodes
27:13
Speaker 19: of flat GDP per capita like this.
27:17
Speaker 2: So it seems that on the evidence that as individuals
27:20
Speaker 2: we're getting poorer in this country for the first time.
27:24
Speaker 2: Tell us about that productivity factor and how that's likely
27:27
Speaker 2: to play into another interest rate rise next week.
27:31
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I certainly think Michelle Bullock has got her
27:33
Speaker 5: eye on the real economy and is definitely very impatient
27:37
Speaker 5: to get inflation back to target band. And so I
27:40
Speaker 5: am expecting, like many people, that that rate is going
27:42
Speaker 5: to go up. But I also think, if you think
27:45
Speaker 5: about where productivity comes from, Chalmers may think it just
27:48
Speaker 5: comes from AI, sort of like manna from heaven. Really,
27:51
Speaker 5: it comes from human ingenuity. And if you look at
27:53
Speaker 5: the most recent educational statistics, international education tests, the PISA
27:57
Speaker 5: scores that have been released just recently, We're doing worse.
28:01
Speaker 5: Our kids are not as cognitively capable. How is productivity
28:05
Speaker 5: going to go up when you have a cohort of
28:08
Speaker 5: people who are just getting less and less able to
28:11
Speaker 5: think through problems, to think critically, to take independent sort
28:14
Speaker 5: of evaluations of the data in front of them and
28:17
Speaker 5: have to rely on machines? That's not a recipe for
28:19
Speaker 5: high productivity growth.
28:20
Speaker 2: No, it's very depressing to think about it in those
28:22
Speaker 2: simplistic terms. We're going to do some work ourselves, not
28:25
Speaker 2: outsource at all to Claude. Thanks for joining us. Gigi,
28:28
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Gigi Foster there from the University of
28:30
Speaker 2: New South Wales. We're going to take a break. On
28:32
Speaker 2: the other side, we're going to get an expert view
28:35
Speaker 2: on this scourge of domestic violence that's taking lives right
28:38
Speaker 2: around the country. We're just about to discuss some pretty
28:46
Speaker 2: horrible issues of domestic violence and family violence. So just
28:50
Speaker 2: a word, if you're watching with young children, now might
28:53
Speaker 2: be a time to distract them, send them out of
28:55
Speaker 2: the room for something else important. because it's a pretty
28:57
Speaker 2: harrowing discussion. And, by the way, if you know of
29:01
Speaker 2: anybody who's being subjected to domestic violence or you're concerned
29:04
Speaker 2: about that, you can always call Respect on 1800RESPECT or
29:09
Speaker 2: visit www. 1800RESPECT. org. au. And this is on the back of horrible
29:18
Speaker 2: events this past few days in New South Wales, where
29:21
Speaker 2: police have described the past weekend as horrific violence and
29:25
Speaker 2: tragic after three women were killed, allegedly murdered in their
29:29
Speaker 2: homes within a 12-hour period. And to make things worse,
29:33
Speaker 2: we also had news yesterday that a mother is being
29:35
Speaker 2: treated as a suspect in the stabbing of three children
29:39
Speaker 2: in the Blue Mountains. Let's get more detail from our
29:42
Speaker 2: colleagues at Channel 9.
29:44
Speaker 15: A convoy of ambulances and emergency vehicles on Waratah Road,
29:49
Speaker 15: Valley Heights. Three children and a woman suffering serious stab wounds.
29:54
Speaker 15: One of those children already dead. A crime scene has
29:57
Speaker 15: been established, but police say... They are not looking for
30:01
Speaker 15: anyone else at this time.
30:02
Speaker 18: 47-year-old Sergei Mitnik is accused of murdering his 90-year-old grandmother.
30:07
Speaker 18: Valentina Spivak, today remembered by neighbours as a gentle soul.
30:11
Speaker 2: Nothing bad to say about her, to be honest. She
30:13
Speaker 2: was a nice woman.
30:14
Speaker 18: Valentina, one of three women allegedly killed by men they
30:18
Speaker 18: knew in a horror 24 hours across the state.
30:22
Speaker 19: They were loved in their communities by their families and
30:25
Speaker 19: they have lost their lives to this vile domestic violence.
30:30
Speaker 18: In Wagga Wagga, a 31-year-old man has been charged over
30:33
Speaker 18: the deadly stabbing of a 23-year-old woman. And at Mole
30:36
Speaker 18: River near Tenderfield, a 70-year-old woman also allegedly killed. A
30:41
Speaker 18: 37-year-old man now charged.
30:44
Speaker 2: This is an epidemic across the country, of course. Let's
30:47
Speaker 2: catch up with Dr Xanthi Weston on the Sunshine Coast now.
30:50
Speaker 2: She's a criminologist at the Central Queensland University. Good to
30:54
Speaker 2: talk to you again, Xanthi. This is such a horrible problem,
30:57
Speaker 2: a terrible weekend in New South Wales, but something we
31:00
Speaker 2: talk about with terrible crimes and episodes across the country.
31:05
Speaker 2: Can you tell us, is the scourge of domestic violence
31:08
Speaker 2: getting worse?
31:10
Speaker 4: Good afternoon, Chris.
31:11
Speaker 11: Well, what I can tell you is that this appalling
31:14
Speaker 11: cluster on the weekend doesn't necessarily reflect data.
31:17
Speaker 4: That is deteriorating.
31:18
Speaker 11: But we have seen this against a very high baseline
31:22
Speaker 11: of domestic and family violence. And against some measures, certainly
31:26
Speaker 11: things do appear to be getting worse. So, yes, I
31:29
Speaker 11: think we're very much struggling with this horrendous problem that
31:32
Speaker 11: has been so poorly and awfully shown this weekend.
31:37
Speaker 2: What do you believe are any of the indications of
31:40
Speaker 2: factors that could be making this worse?
31:43
Speaker 11: Well, I think what we need to recognise is that
31:45
Speaker 11: the cases across the week and the alleged cases represent
31:48
Speaker 11: the kind of broader context of family violence. We've seen
31:52
Speaker 11: one case of potentially intimate partner, one filicide where allegedly
31:57
Speaker 11: a parent has killed a child and one based in
32:00
Speaker 11: the elder abuse space. So I think what this says
32:03
Speaker 11: is we have a problem generally across the community. So
32:07
Speaker 11: this isn't going to be a one size fits all
32:09
Speaker 11: because there will be different triggers, different causative factors involved.
32:12
Speaker 11: in all of these different types of cases. So I
32:15
Speaker 11: think we really need to look very closely about what
32:17
Speaker 11: is going on in these home environments and really start
32:21
Speaker 11: to look at how that reporting is taking place, because
32:24
Speaker 11: none of these incidents, none of the families involved had
32:28
Speaker 11: had any contact with the police. So I think that
32:30
Speaker 11: really says about some of our reporting and what we
32:33
Speaker 11: know about this in the community.
32:35
Speaker 2: And there is the other category that I think is
32:37
Speaker 2: too often left out of this conversation, and that is
32:39
Speaker 2: when parents harm or murder their children, allegedly. And we've
32:44
Speaker 2: got one case unfolding in New South Wales that relates
32:47
Speaker 2: to those sorts of allegations. And this is where it seems,
32:51
Speaker 2: and I'm interested to get your advice on the data,
32:55
Speaker 2: that women can be perpetrators as often as men.
32:59
Speaker 11: Well, I would certainly say that women can perpetrate domestic
33:03
Speaker 11: and family violence. But overwhelmingly, this is a gendered issue.
33:07
Speaker 11: We know that in terms of lethality. So those cases
33:10
Speaker 11: that result in death or hospitalisations. Men are far and
33:15
Speaker 11: wide the perpetrators and women and children are the victims.
33:18
Speaker 11: So I think we can recognise that women can go
33:21
Speaker 11: on to commit violent acts and certainly can kill on occasions.
33:25
Speaker 4: But overwhelmingly, this is a gendered issue.
33:28
Speaker 11: And I think that's really where most of the resources
33:31
Speaker 11: need to be, because that does reflect where the victims are.
33:34
Speaker 4: And they are, by and large, women and children.
33:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt about that. But that includes the
33:40
Speaker 2: cases where children are the victims, does it?
33:43
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes.
33:45
Speaker 2: Wow.
33:45
Speaker 11: So children can be harmed by both parents, but overwhelmingly
33:48
Speaker 11: men are perpetrators of domestic and family violence.
33:52
Speaker 2: Extraordinary stuff. I just want to share briefly what the
33:54
Speaker 2: New South Wales Premier, Chris Minns, had to say today.
33:57
Speaker 2: These are terrible, terrible events.
34:00
Speaker 7: We need to make sure that the criminal justice system
34:02
Speaker 7: can do its job so that it can... provide a
34:05
Speaker 7: measure of justice for innocent family members. That needs to
34:08
Speaker 7: happen concurrently with government action. But it's profoundly distressing and
34:13
Speaker 7: I understand why the people of Sydney and New South
34:15
Speaker 7: Wales are horrified over the last 24 hours.
34:19
Speaker 2: Xanthi, big question. We don't have much time though. Can governments,
34:23
Speaker 2: can law enforcement fix this or is it more of
34:26
Speaker 2: a problem for society?
34:28
Speaker 4: This is very much a societal problem.
34:30
Speaker 11: I think we certainly need to see more connections between services,
34:32
Speaker 11: mental health, physical health, child protection. But ultimately, we need
34:36
Speaker 11: to change the way men and women are relationships. We
34:40
Speaker 11: need more healthy relationships and prevention. We need to get
34:43
Speaker 11: involved early when people are at risk.
34:46
Speaker 4: We can't police our way out of this.
34:48
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Xanthi. I appreciate it. Xanthi Weston there,
34:51
Speaker 2: joining us from Queensland. Such a tough topic. And if
34:55
Speaker 2: you do know of anybody in strife or if you
34:58
Speaker 2: have concerns yourself, as we mentioned before, get on to 1800...
35:04
Speaker 2: We'd better go to a break now. On the other side,
35:07
Speaker 2: we're going to cross to the UK and catch up
35:10
Speaker 2: with how illegal immigrants are creating a real issue in
35:14
Speaker 2: a pretty little village. Now, in England, there's a village
35:22
Speaker 2: with a population of just 300 that's voted to leave
35:25
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom in protest against a migrant housing facility
35:29
Speaker 2: being built on nearby fields. The government plans to keep
35:32
Speaker 2: more than 1,200 asylum seekers at the plant in Piddington.
35:39
Speaker 2: Locals campaigning against it say authorities have failed to communicate
35:43
Speaker 2: with them, and as our Europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth found out,
35:46
Speaker 2: the people keeping watch over the site aren't too keen
35:49
Speaker 2: to chat either. Have a look. Can you tell us
35:52
Speaker 2: what you're doing?
35:55
Speaker 16: I'm security.
35:56
Speaker 2: For what?
35:57
Speaker 16: What's the security for today? You're doing my job.
36:01
Speaker 20: Yeah, but what's the security for?
36:03
Speaker 3: To stop us going into the site or to stop
36:06
Speaker 3: anyone getting out of the site?
36:08
Speaker 2: No comment, sir. There we go. Let's go to Sophie
36:12
Speaker 2: Ellsworth in the UK. Good to talk to you again, Sophie.
36:14
Speaker 2: That's a ripping yarn you had about Pittington. The locals there,
36:20
Speaker 2: very concerned. You've got to be careful here, of course,
36:23
Speaker 2: because they seem to be concerned about, you know, the
36:26
Speaker 2: threats of crime and the like, which tends to portray
36:30
Speaker 2: all asylum seekers as criminals. But there's a background, of course,
36:34
Speaker 2: where there has been crime across the country at times
36:36
Speaker 2: from illegal immigrants.
36:39
Speaker 16: There has been indeed, Chris.
36:41
Speaker 20: And look, I was at Pittington last week in South Oxfordshire.
36:44
Speaker 16: It's a beautiful, quaint little village.
36:47
Speaker 20: It doesn't have any shops or really much in the
36:50
Speaker 20: village itself. It's very, very small. There is only 350 residents.
36:56
Speaker 20: And what the proposal is by the government is to
36:59
Speaker 20: house more than 1,250 residents. asylum seekers in the region
37:05
Speaker 20: in the area just behind a children's field where many
37:09
Speaker 20: families gather Chris to congregate play sport and enjoy lifestyle
37:13
Speaker 20: there and the community rightly so is absolutely furious about
37:18
Speaker 20: this they'll be outnumbered One to four of male, they're
37:22
Speaker 20: only male asylum seekers, many of whom we don't know
37:25
Speaker 20: where they've come from, we don't have ID checks, who
37:28
Speaker 20: will be put in this community and they're up in
37:30
Speaker 20: arms about it and they're fighting back.
37:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you've videoed some of those reactions from the locals.
37:36
Speaker 2: Here's a sample of that.
37:38
Speaker 20: To see it get to this stage and the government
37:41
Speaker 20: still are communicating with.
37:43
Speaker 16: Us, I just feel really emotional.
37:45
Speaker 2: Concerned about.
37:46
Speaker 16: all of the women's safety and the children's safety.
37:49
Speaker 11: We're only 300 and we will be completely outnumbered.
37:54
Speaker 2: You can understand their concerns, Sophie, but what hope have
37:57
Speaker 2: they got of any plans being changed? They're just going
38:00
Speaker 2: to be lumbered with this, aren't they?
38:06
Speaker 20: Well, Andy Burnham, the Prime Minister here, Chris, has said
38:09
Speaker 20: that the whole of the country, the whole of the UK,
38:12
Speaker 20: has to wear the burden of taking in asylum seekers
38:15
Speaker 20: and they have to be dispersed across regions in all
38:18
Speaker 20: walks of life, not just in specific areas of the UK.
38:21
Speaker 20: But Piddington, Chris, we're talking about it in Australia. They're
38:25
Speaker 20: talking about it all over the world. This is incredibly
38:28
Speaker 20: bad for the government and who knows, this proposal may
38:31
Speaker 20: not go ahead, but it is a David and Goliath battle.
38:35
Speaker 2: It sure is. Now, quickly to another issue that will
38:38
Speaker 2: be getting a lot of headlines in the UK, and
38:40
Speaker 2: that is, of course, Ed Sheeran. I've had my say
38:42
Speaker 2: about it at the top of the program. Is there
38:44
Speaker 2: much sympathy for him in the UK?
38:46
Speaker 20: Well, just on Talkback Radio this morning, Chris, there were
38:51
Speaker 20: discussions about these people calling up about it. But the
38:55
Speaker 20: thing here is Macklemore was the supporting act, and as
38:58
Speaker 20: a supporting act, it's not his show. So was he
39:01
Speaker 20: within his rights to come out and make these claims?
39:05
Speaker 20: I think Ed Sheeran's made it worse by coming out
39:08
Speaker 20: and now you know going against Israel.
39:11
Speaker 16: He's divided the crowd.
39:13
Speaker 20: This is a real PR disaster for Ed Sheeran but
39:17
Speaker 20: this is what's happening now Chris. You have cancel culture
39:21
Speaker 20: and unfortunately Chris I think many people go to these
39:24
Speaker 20: shows to enjoy themselves, to not think about politics, to
39:27
Speaker 20: not think.
39:27
Speaker 16: About the serious state of affairs but.
39:29
Speaker 20: This is where musicians and other people get involved.
39:34
Speaker 2: Well, he had two options. One was just to say
39:35
Speaker 2: that I stay away from politics and I'll keep out
39:38
Speaker 2: of politics, which is probably the wise thing for a performer,
39:41
Speaker 2: or else you back the truth and you've got to
39:43
Speaker 2: back Israel and cop the flack rather than joining in
39:46
Speaker 2: the lies against Israel. I've got to get to this
39:50
Speaker 2: other issue, though, that relates to the royals. This is
39:52
Speaker 2: Earl Spencer, of course, the brother of the late Princess Diana.
39:56
Speaker 2: He's got a book coming out. He's done an interview,
39:58
Speaker 2: you know, reanimating all of the issues of the last
40:03
Speaker 2: couple of decades. Here's some of the latest interview.
40:06
Speaker 13: What do you think that her sons, his sons, your nephews,
40:13
Speaker 13: who you vowed so publicly, so movingly to protect.
40:18
Speaker 21: We'll think when they hear you saying that, revealing these
40:22
Speaker 21: words nearly three decades on, which you know are bound
40:26
Speaker 21: to stir up huge amounts.
40:28
Speaker 13: Of pain and anger. Well, I don't like to talk
40:33
Speaker 13: about what I've been speaking about to William and Harry,
40:36
Speaker 13: but this will not be a surprise to them. I
40:38
Speaker 13: will tell you that. These words will not be a
40:41
Speaker 13: surprise to them.
40:43
Speaker 2: Sophie, I just wonder why you do this. If you
40:45
Speaker 2: really cared about those young men now in William and Harry,
40:49
Speaker 2: wouldn't you keep your family business out of the public eye?
40:52
Speaker 2: Is this just a money grab by the Earl?
40:55
Speaker 16: Well, that's been the accusations, Chris.
40:57
Speaker 20: I wrote about it in my column in News Corp's
40:59
Speaker 20: papers today that he stands to make a fortune from
41:02
Speaker 20: the sale of this book, Swan Song, which goes on
41:05
Speaker 20: sale tomorrow. Chris, front of the Daily Mail today where
41:08
Speaker 20: it's been serialised, the top headline there, so which Charles
41:13
Speaker 20: do you believe, King Charles or Charles Spencer? But this
41:16
Speaker 20: is very, very nasty stuff. It's his Oprah moment. He's
41:20
Speaker 20: lashing out at the royal family. That book hits the
41:23
Speaker 20: shelves tomorrow, Chris, and expect more truth bombs to come.
41:27
Speaker 2: Great stuff, Sophie. Thanks again all over it, as ever,
41:30
Speaker 2: even out in Pittington for us and all the readers
41:33
Speaker 2: of newspapers, of course. Sophie Ellsworth there in the UK.
41:37
Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to have a chat with
41:41
Speaker 2: Gemma and, of course, Caroline about Ed Sheeran, more of
41:44
Speaker 2: this debate about Ed Sheeran and the Middle East. How
41:46
Speaker 2: did he get himself into this mess? Don't go away.
41:53
Speaker 2: Let's get into the Monday panel with Gemma Tognini from
41:56
Speaker 2: GT Communications on the desk with me. Back from the West.
41:59
Speaker 2: And also over in Perth, Caroline DeRusso. Good to have
42:03
Speaker 2: you both back on board. Let's talk about Ed Sheeran.
42:07
Speaker 2: This problem wasn't really of his making, was it? He's
42:11
Speaker 2: got the lead act, this Macklemore, or Macklemore he calls himself.
42:16
Speaker 2: You know, honestly, he's ignorant.
42:17
Speaker 22: I'm sure he is.
42:18
Speaker 2: He's ignorant, he's hateful. It's his politics have sort of
42:22
Speaker 2: sabotaged Sheeran, but Sheeran now has basically started to ape
42:27
Speaker 2: him just to start to amplify the anti-Israel views.
42:32
Speaker 22: I mean, this is what happens when people with platform... Like,
42:35
Speaker 22: they have a big platform and small amounts of information
42:38
Speaker 22: and all of the people saying, oh, no, it's free speech.
42:41
Speaker 23: No-one's impinging their free speech.
42:42
Speaker 22: This is the consequences of them engaging in their free speech.
42:46
Speaker 23: I could say... Chris Kenny is X, Y, Z.
42:48
Speaker 22: I would be free to say it and you could
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Speaker 22: be free to sue me and that would be consequences.
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Speaker 2: Well, not if it was good. Depends what X, Y,
42:55
Speaker 2: Z were.
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Speaker 23: He's the best sportsman I've ever known. There's nothing like
42:59
Speaker 23: him on the football field.
42:59
Speaker 2: But seriously... Those were the days. In my mind.
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Speaker 23: This rapper, you know, he has form. There's the Jew
43:08
Speaker 23: face incident of.
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Speaker 14: Oh, sure.
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Speaker 23: It's appalling. So, Ed Sheeran.
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Speaker 22: I don't know who makes a decision about who's.
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Speaker 23: On his ticket for his show, but you could not
43:20
Speaker 23: have looked at this and gone, it's risk-free.
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Speaker 7: Exactly.
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Speaker 23: There's no way.
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Speaker 2: But, Caroline, the thing here too, I think that Gemma's
43:26
Speaker 2: really just put a... put into focus is the ignorance
43:30
Speaker 2: of these people. This is the problem of the modern age.
43:33
Speaker 2: Ignorance doesn't stop people speaking up. And these people know
43:36
Speaker 2: nothing about the issues, so they're pushing lies that they
43:39
Speaker 2: think make them look like caring, loving people. They're actually
43:42
Speaker 2: the lies that support the arguments of the Islamist terrorists
43:46
Speaker 2: of Hamas. Correct.
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Speaker 10: And then they cry, which is the bit that really
43:53
Speaker 10: gets me here. How about you inform yourself and have
43:56
Speaker 10: an adult conversation and behave like an adult.
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Speaker 23: Spare us all the tears.
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Speaker 10: Because for me, that is a way of essentially, I
44:05
Speaker 10: don't know if you're infantilising yourself or trying to think, oh,
44:09
Speaker 10: if I just have a sook, maybe I'll get away
44:12
Speaker 10: with it. What about the atrocities that have been committed?
44:15
Speaker 10: I mean, we are talking about a very serious conflict
44:19
Speaker 10: where there have been absolutely revolting atrocities and this bloke
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Speaker 10: is sitting on stage having a sook because his mates
44:28
Speaker 10: don't want to sit on the quadrangle with him for lunch.
44:32
Speaker 23: Give me a break, Chris.
44:33
Speaker 2: I tell you what, I got an email from a
44:35
Speaker 2: viewer just in the last little while, said, why don't
44:37
Speaker 2: all these viewers who..... all these artists who want to
44:41
Speaker 2: support Palestine and criticise Israel, why don't they go and
44:44
Speaker 2: put on a concert in Gaza and see what it's
44:47
Speaker 2: like for them to go? This is the thing, when
44:49
Speaker 2: these Islamists get their way, the people of Hamas, Hezbollah,
44:51
Speaker 2: Islamic Jihad get their way, they want a caliphate that
44:54
Speaker 2: will run the whole world, the first up against the
44:57
Speaker 2: wall or thrown off the building will be the likes
45:00
Speaker 2: of these singers and artists.
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Speaker 22: I mean, if he had a basic level of understanding
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Speaker 22: of what Hamas and Hezbollah stand for, he would know
45:06
Speaker 22: music is not permitted.
45:07
Speaker 2: No music!
45:08
Speaker 23: Women are not permitted. Women are a chattel.
45:11
Speaker 22: I mean, if he had the base level understanding of
45:13
Speaker 22: what happened on October 7, he would know that women were.
45:16
Speaker 23: Tied to trees and raped with sharp.
45:18
Speaker 22: Implements and shot in their genitalia. He would know that
45:22
Speaker 22: people who came to see... a band or a DJ, like,
45:27
Speaker 22: they come to see him.
45:27
Speaker 23: Like, is Ed Sheeran going to go and perform at Nova?
45:31
Speaker 23: Is he going to.
45:31
Speaker 22: Was he there at the Ariana Grande concert? Like, it
45:35
Speaker 22: is a criminal level of ignorance and this is the problem.
45:39
Speaker 22: They have a platform and they are the most useless idiots.
45:44
Speaker 23: Sorry, useful idiots of all.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
45:46
Speaker 22: They are absolutely playing into the hands of these savages.
45:50
Speaker 22: And the other thing, if they want to free Palestine, well,
45:52
Speaker 22: Hamas has not yet.
45:55
Speaker 23: Disarmed. It's refusing to disarm.
45:57
Speaker 2: The only way you free Palestine is to get rid
45:59
Speaker 2: of Hamas.
45:59
Speaker 7: Correct.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to domestic issues and this intergenerational report today, Caroline. Actually,
46:04
Speaker 2: before we go to your response, Caroline, I want to
46:07
Speaker 2: show you what the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers, he said, because
46:09
Speaker 2: don't worry about the fact that we're all going backwards
46:12
Speaker 2: at the moment. There's no productivity, that GDP per capita
46:15
Speaker 2: is shrinking. There's going to be a solution. It's just
46:18
Speaker 2: going to happen. Have a look.
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Speaker 8: Productivity, investment and labour market impacts of AI will be dramatic.
46:26
Speaker 8: AI will play a pivotal role in reaching long-term productivity
46:29
Speaker 8: growth of 1.2% and higher if productivity gains accelerate over time.
46:36
Speaker 2: Caroline, the government doesn't have to do anything. Labor doesn't
46:39
Speaker 2: have to cut back its spending or free up the
46:41
Speaker 2: labour market or improve education. AI is just going to
46:44
Speaker 2: fix everything. Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, spoken with the confidence of a bloke that has
46:50
Speaker 10: never built or run anything in his entire life. And
46:54
Speaker 10: I'm not even sure he believes it. You can even,
46:57
Speaker 10: even the way that he reads that speech, it doesn't
47:00
Speaker 10: have the, doesn't have that kind of breadth The bravado
47:03
Speaker 10: slickness of the gym of old. I feel like he
47:06
Speaker 10: has lost a little.
47:07
Speaker 2: Bit of skin.
47:08
Speaker 4: The intergenerational... I mean, the.
47:09
Speaker 23: Whole thing is just woeful.
47:11
Speaker 10: I tweeted the other day, I borrowed from Captain Blackadder,
47:14
Speaker 10: and I think whenever you're quoting Blackadder, it's a good idea,
47:17
Speaker 10: a good day. But it's the greatest work of fiction
47:20
Speaker 10: since the vows of fidelity were included in the.
47:22
Speaker 23: French marriage service.
47:24
Speaker 10: Like, you look at the issues that we have in
47:27
Speaker 10: this country and we are going to be poorer than
47:30
Speaker 10: our parents.
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Speaker 16: And it's not because, you know, the boomers.
47:35
Speaker 23: Are spending 100%.
47:36
Speaker 16: It's all their fault.
47:37
Speaker 2: No, no, no.
47:39
Speaker 10: The government is spending too much. Real wages are going backwards.
47:42
Speaker 10: Inflation is going through the roof. And these people are
47:45
Speaker 10: still spending. And this is going to impoverish us all
47:50
Speaker 10: and it's not going to be over tomorrow.
47:52
Speaker 2: And to make things worse, I want to get Gemma's
47:54
Speaker 2: reaction to this, to make things worse, the POMs are
47:58
Speaker 2: trying to undermine our Olympics. Have a look at this.
48:02
Speaker 21: A river home to 500 crocodiles has been chosen as
48:05
Speaker 21: an Olympic rowing venue. The Fitzroy River in Rockhampton, Queensland
48:09
Speaker 21: has been given the okay to host the Olympic and
48:12
Speaker 21: Paralympic rowing and canoeing events at the 2032 Brisbane Games
48:16
Speaker 21: in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Well, we didn't show the bit there with the crocodiles.
48:20
Speaker 2: They had pictures of crocodiles in this river that were
48:23
Speaker 2: taken from the Fitzroy River in the Kimberley. And it's
48:27
Speaker 2: like there's big salties hanging around the middle of Rockhampton.
48:30
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
48:30
Speaker 22: I mean, if anything sort of encapsulates the BBC of 2026,
48:33
Speaker 22: that's it, isn't it?
48:35
Speaker 23: It's like, you know.
48:36
Speaker 22: famine in Gaza, there is a genocide in Gaza, and, yes,
48:40
Speaker 22: the Olympics are going to be hosted in a crocodile-infested
48:44
Speaker 22: river because that's just how we colonials roll, isn't it? Like,
48:47
Speaker 22: imagine how many fact-checkers that went through or a producer.
48:50
Speaker 23: Like, did anyone at any point go... Maybe that's not true.
48:53
Speaker 23: That doesn't seem quite right.
48:56
Speaker 22: Maybe we should check that there's not another river called
48:58
Speaker 22: the Fitzroy River. Australia's a pretty big country. I mean,
49:02
Speaker 22: these people are not serious people.
49:04
Speaker 2: They are not. And this bloke might not be either,
49:07
Speaker 2: although I don't mind some of the stuff he's done.
49:09
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at Donald Trump's plan for an
49:12
Speaker 2: Arc de Triomphe, Washington style. Have a look at this.
49:15
Speaker 2: He's going ahead with this thing. He's got the clearance.
49:18
Speaker 2: The Aviation Authority, Caroline, say there's no problem. The planes
49:22
Speaker 2: will be able to get around it. Are you for
49:24
Speaker 2: or against?
49:26
Speaker 10: Well, look, I mean, the Arc de Triomphe, you know,
49:29
Speaker 10: it's an ancient Roman thing. There are several in Rome
49:31
Speaker 10: and obviously the very famous one in Paris. But usually
49:34
Speaker 10: you build them to celebrate a win, commemorate the loss.
49:39
Speaker 10: I'm just not really quite sure what the triumph is.
49:43
Speaker 23: is for here. It's for Trump.
49:45
Speaker 10: There has to be a Napoleonic war. That's the bit
49:48
Speaker 10: that I struggle with, is what is the historical significance
49:51
Speaker 10: of building an Arctic Triumph? Wonderful that the planes can
49:55
Speaker 10: fly over it, but why is it there in the
49:58
Speaker 10: first place?
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Speaker 2: We are just a bit out of time, but what
50:01
Speaker 2: I love about that answer from Caroline was she managed
50:04
Speaker 2: to mention that Rome has more archers than the French. Yes,
50:07
Speaker 2: that's right. The Italians have got more than the French.
50:10
Speaker 2: Well done, Caroline and Gemma. This is what I'm here for.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. We'll catch you next week. That's
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Speaker 2: all the time we've got for you tonight. I'll be
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Speaker 2: back tomorrow night. Here's Peter Credlin.