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Week 8 Tent Talk: Lamar Watch, Vikings Trade Talk & Harrison Smith's HOF Case · Banter with the Boys

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  From the biggest plays to the hottest takes.
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  From kickoff to the final whistle. You're listening
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  to Banter with the Boys. Gridiron Updates. Yo,
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  yo, welcome back to Banter with the Boys. Gridiron
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  Updates, our tent talk. You already know what
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  it is. If you don't, our Tent Talk episode is
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  where we go over injuries news, things like that,
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  as we head into week eight here of the NFL. I'm
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  Smelty, of course. Behind the camera is Kev.
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  Because I always do him last. I figured I'd still
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  put him behind me, of course, naturally. Typical
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  me. Timeless. Timeless, yes. To my left, we have
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  the flock doc in the house. Yep. Yes. Yep. He's
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  very excited about that, clearly. I am. Yeah.
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  To my Randy over here is the old Roberto. Squalable,
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  baby. Did you just do three? No. Was it three
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  whips? No. It looked like three. Hey, replay
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  it. Bring it back, boys. Figure it out. Slow
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  -mo. Anyway, let's just get this show on the
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  road. I'm going to actually start with... Who's
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  hurt? Well, I'm going to start with people that
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  could be possibly coming back this week, actually.
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  Really? The number one is obviously Lamar Jackson.
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  Oh, gosh. The pressure's on, huh? Yeah. Obviously,
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  you've been in the dark web, interwebs here,
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  and trying to figure out if Lamar Jackson is
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  going to play or not. Well, he's in the training
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  room. He's the doc block. Yeah. But this one's
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  been tough, though, because they keep not taking
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  his advice. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at some point
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  it was like, hey, take the extra week. But at
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  this point, right now at four and three, and
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  you've got the Bills coming up this next week.
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  Got to play. You want your best players out on
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  the field. Pain tolerance or not at this point.
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  Lamar, you're the guy. We need you out there.
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  We want you and we need you out there. Because
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  without you, you're timeless. But unfortunately,
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  I think the jury is still out. I would like to
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  hope that over the course of this next week that
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  he's able to tolerate the pain with the cuts
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  and the steps and everything that he's doing.
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  and is it going to be able to get out there?
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  But nobody knows except Lamar at this point,
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  and so it's kind of a crapshoot. So is it a must
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  win for the old flock this week? I mean, with
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  the way that division is shaped. Yeah. And that
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  puts them back to 500 if they're sitting at 4
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  -3 right now. No, I wouldn't say it's a must
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  win. If we fall to 4 -4, I think we're still
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  going to be okay. The remainder of their schedule
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  is going to be pretty tough, but also it's the
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  AFC North. It's black and blue. We're going to
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  beat each other up. Pretty. Timeless. Oh, my
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  God. It's probably going to end up coming down
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  to, like, a 9 -7 team or a 9 -8 team still winning
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  it all. And at some point, the Browns are going
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  to come down to earth, too. They continue to
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  pull a rabbit out of their behind. Five games
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  in a row now where they're just like, okay, we're
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  going to play like trash, and then we're going
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  to have one good drive for a win. All right,
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  he's playing. I've been saying it for two weeks.
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  I need him back in my fantasy team. Well, I want
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  him back in my fantasy team, too. Okay, another
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  player that people have been waiting on to come
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  back would be Brees Hall. He's had some quadricep
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  issues for a minute now, but he is likely to
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  return this week, which apparently Lamar Jackson
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  was also listed as. quote -unquote likely to
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  return, but we've kind of felt that way for three
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  weeks. So TBD, really. I mean, for A .A. Ron
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  Glenn, I think it might be his job almost if
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  they start no Ws in New York. For sure. Because
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  what are they, two and five right now? Yep, yep.
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  And we'll actually end up talking about them
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  in our week eight preview and picks anyway. It's
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  a good conversation to have right now about old
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  Aaron Glenn and the Jets. They face the Raiders
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  this week. Jeremiah Love for the Cardinals may
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  also come back this week, TVD, but Cardinals
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  could really use him back in the lineup as well.
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  Rasheed Rice, if you listened to our last episode,
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  we were talking about how the Chiefs really need
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  some receiving help. Rice is very much needed,
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  and he's possible to return as well, but that
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  was a hamstring injury. And so we know that those
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  can linger. I mean, their wide receiver, of course,
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  starting to look like last year's. You know,
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  I mean, that's when they started getting, you
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  know, started failing. So Tyler Warren for the
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  Colts was also not playing in that in that Vikings
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  game this past week, looking for him to possibly
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  return this week as well. A couple of guys we
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  still don't know about. Brian Robinson, one of
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  the one of the Robinson family members there
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  in the Falcons backfield. He is. Not sure right
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  now. Also dealing with a hamstring. Tajay Spears
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  for the Tennessee Titans knee. He is still kind
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  of uncertain currently right now. Is Winnie Poole
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  a part of the Robinson family? Who? Winnie the
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  Pooh? No. I'm not sure. What is the Robinson?
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  Christopher Robinson family? The Swiss family
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  Robinson? Swiss family Robinson. All right. Sorry.
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  Great movie. It is. Okay. We're back. Yeah, Aaron
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  Jones, he aggravated that MCL injury we talked
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  about a little bit. MRI is currently planned,
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  TBD on that. Mason was back this week for the
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  Vikings. That was nice. Do we see the Vikings
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  making another move at the backfield? Are you
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  rubbing your fingers? What do you think? Yeah,
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  I think we're making a move. Who is it for? Quinton,
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  left guard. Yep. That's who I'd rather want right
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  now. Oh, offensive line help. Yeah. Okay. Which
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  is rumored to possibly happen for the Vikes as
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  well. There's a lot of hot rumors coming out
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  with the Vikes right now. Well, because I like
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  the scenario because I think with Fry's contract,
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  which is $19 million or something ridiculous,
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  and he's probably been the worst offensive lineman
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  on that squad right now. O 'Neal's been getting
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  work this last few weeks too. But so with...
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  Jackson probably playing next year. That's where
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  I think Quinton or they could flip -flop them
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  and figure that scenario out. So that's where
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  instead of JT, I'd rather see them go with him
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  because I think he's at the age where I think
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  he'd do a little less to win. He's getting a
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  little far, so it'd be a nice fill. Just because
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  we're on the subject, do the Vikings make any
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  other moves specifically at quarterback before
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  the trade deadline happens? Who? I don't know.
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  The Kirk Cousins. stuff is heating up right now
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  i mean no mendoza's heating up to start there
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  it's not going to be if they're going to trade
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  for a quarterback it's i don't think it would
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  be kirk because i still don't think you want
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  mendoza playing until after the bye week yeah
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  just because that road schedule is just going
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  to be so brutal yeah i imagine kirk is slated
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  to start this week against the jets why would
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  you not right but I'm telling you, those rumors
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  started coming out this past weekend, and they're
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  hot right now. Would Kirk even want to come back
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  to Minnesota? I mean, playoff situation, 100%.
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  If I'm Kirk, if you're the Vikes, I'm not sure.
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  But if you have a true running back threat, then
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  the play action opens up again, which he's good
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  at. And you have a couple solid targets out there.
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  I'm going to have to remember to bring tinfoil
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  for you next week. Yeah, I know. And just looking
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  at the Raiders' schedule, they have the Jets
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  next. Then it goes 49ers, Seahawks, Broncos.
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  They have a gauntlet. Who, the Raiders? Yeah,
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  for sure. Oh, is he grabbing the tinfoil? Oh,
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  no, you saved it. You're good. Oh, there it is.
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  A solid cup made by Arby's. We're looking for
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  a sponsorship right there. Make a solid... To
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  go to the Vikings. Sorry. Sorry. Kirkle change.
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  Kirkle. Back in purple. I know. Back in purple?
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  To the Ravens? If Lamar Jackson's not ready?
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  No, I'm just kidding. He hasn't played that bad.
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  That's more plausible. I don't know. I don't
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  know. Anyway, we're going down our app all the
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  way. All right, back to the injuries. Where are
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  we at? Back to the injuries. Amon Ra, St. Brown.
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  He's expected to play, but he's kind of dealing
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  with a little nagging ankle injury right now.
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  Dude's a warrior. He'll play. Of course, naturally.
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  He won't take the extra week. Speaking of the
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  Amon Ra and just the Lions in general, did you
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  see right at the end of the game when they all
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  started? Dancing? Doing emotes. Yeah. Like all
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  of them. Everybody. Oh, yeah. Because Jared Goff
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  got the Packers to jump off sides for that first
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  time. God, it was just so funny. Oh, my God.
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  Anyway, Jalen Waddell, chest injury. TBD on him
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  as well for this week. So might want to pick
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  up another receiver if you're listening to Roberto's
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  fantasy minute, which we'll get into here in
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  a second. Denver's got a few wide receivers,
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  right? Yeah. They're not probably selling, though.
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  Yeah. That's true. We'll see. Maybe they are.
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  He's selling low. Yeah. I mean, Waddle, maybe?
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  Well, I mean, if you have Waddle. Oh, in fantasy.
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  He's talking fantasy -wise. Oh, all right. All
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  right. The rest of these are not huge. Like,
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  I don't know. We don't need to mention the rest
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  of these because they could actually change here.
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  Other than the fractured fibula, that's not going
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  to change. That's still going to be fractured
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  for Taylor Mott and the Panthers. But it is Monday
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  that we're ripping this currently. Usually we
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  rip on Tuesday. A lot of injury stuff comes out
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  the day after. There's a game going on right
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  now. But there is a game going on right now.
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  It's halftime, I think. And I think Dallas is
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  actually currently winning. 20 to 14, yeah. Dallas
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  is. They are. I can't believe Dallas let the
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  Eagles score 14. Well, and we'll talk about the
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  Cowboys in our next episode as well, so don't
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  forget to tune into that. And Cardinals, if you're
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  a Cardinal fan. We haven't talked about them
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  much this year. Anyway. You know who we didn't
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  talk about? Or did I miss it? Who, me? Micah?
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  We have not talked about Micah Parsons. That's
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  a big one, right? Yeah. What do you got, Doc?
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  I don't know. He's not on the pup list anymore.
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  So he's designated as out. Okay. So he should
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  be starting to practice soon. He didn't practice
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  this past week. Maybe he just gets traded and
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  never plays for the Packers. Back to America's
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  team, the Arizona Cardinals. That's right, America's
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  team, the Arizona Cardinals. Oh, ahead of the
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  Rams? Yeah. Or not anymore. The Cardinals? Okay.
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  I thought the Lions were in America's team right
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  now. I know. Let's see. Yeah, there's really
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  nothing else. Oh, hey, shout out to Harrison
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  Smith getting his 40th reception. 40th, baby.
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  Yeah. Congrats. 40 and 20, only one of three
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  safeties to do that. Yeah, definitely Hall of
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  Really Goodworthy. Well, and so that's the argument,
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  right? Like, of course, most Viking fans are
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  like, oh, my God, HOF. I think he'll definitely
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  be a Vikings Ring of Honor player, no doubt,
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  100%. And then maybe, I don't know if they wouldn't
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  retire the jersey, but if they did, they'd have
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  to put one up for Paul Krause, too, who still
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  holds records. He's HOF. And he is HOF. Again,
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  the main argument for Harrison would be what
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  he has just achieved, the 40 interceptions, the
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  20 sacks, which is wild from the safety. Yeah,
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  big milestone. But I hear you. But, I mean, if
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  you really look at it and you look at who's in
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  the HOF and who's missed the HOF at his position,
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  it's tough. Who's missed? I'd love to put him
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  in there. Who's above him that's missed? Brian
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  Dawkins isn't in the HOF, is he? No. I wasn't
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  prepared to have this conversation. I just think
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  about when we're talking about whether or not
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  a person is Hall of Fame worthy. My brother -in
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  -law and I share a similar thought process on
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  this. It's like, can I tell the story or the
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  history of football with or without this person?
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  If I can talk about football and the history
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  of football without... I can talk about the history
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  of football without talking about Harrison Smith.
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  If he had won a defensive player of the year
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  or came in second place multiple years in a row
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  or something like that, then maybe I would start
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  to consider him as Hall of Fame worthy. But no
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  disrespect, he's a really great player. And I
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  know that Green Bay and the NFC would scheme
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  around. He was one of those players where it's
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  like, where's Harrison Smith on the field? But
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  I just don't. I don't see it. Okay. Big picture.
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  It's just me and Aaron Rodgers disagree with
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  you. Brian Dawkins was HOF, by the way, 2018.
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  So I should have known that because I like Brian
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  Dawkins. I don't know how I didn't know that.
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  Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think of players
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  to combat that thought process. I'm trying to
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  think that if there's anyone then, like, there's
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  the game changer that makes the HOF level. You
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  know, like. Kurt Warner, would you view him as
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  someone that... I think he's borderline. Just
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  because he won a Super Bowl? Well, that definitely
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  hurts Harrison. But he made it to 3 -1 -1, won
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  MVP, which is a quarterback award. Eli Manning,
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  I think, should have been a first ballot Hall
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  of Famer. I agree. He just wasn't as flashy as
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  everyone else. Right, absolutely. It's that on
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  the field looks... dumb look on his face that's
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  just like, no, that's not him. You know what
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  I'm talking about. That kid can't be a good thrower.
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  Yeah, you're just looking and you're just like...
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  Kind of like Arch. Kind of like the way Arch
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  looks. He looks a little bit like Eli. I don't
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  think Phillip Rivers is Hall of Fame quarterback.
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  It might be unpopular opinion. I just don't think
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  he's a Hall of Famer. But he's like one of those
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  borderline. That's a good comparison. We had
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  this conversation last week. I don't think it
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  made it there. So like if Josh Allen never wins
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  a Super Bowl and we're like, oh, it would Dak
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  and him be comparable. And then we kind of talked
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  about it. I was like, well, no, because. Dak
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  was never considered one of the best in the game
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  at the time, which we could consider Josh Allen
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  now one of the best in the game. So then we thought
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  about who else didn't win a Super Bowl that would
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  be considered. Dan Marino was one of them. I'm
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  trying to think. Phillip Rivers was the other
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  one that was kind of one we didn't think of.
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  There was another one. Who was the other one?
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  Never won a Super Bowl, though, on just about
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  the top of his game. I can't remember. Either
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  way. Was it Steve McNair? You don't want me to
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  sit here and think, trust me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  We'll be here in a minute. We're still trying
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  to think. All right, we got to move on. Hey,
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  let me throw him a little fantasy minute right
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  now that we're working at through. So Omar Cooper
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  Jr. again, back -to -back 100 -yard games. I
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  totally stole him off the free agent market last
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  week. Oh, man. He's been a solid dude from Indiana.
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  And then Noah Coleman, rookie running back from
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  Broncos again. They're looking for some little
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  flash in the pan in that Broncos offense. And
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  then Seth McGowan, though, is so, like, backup
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  stash if JT ends up getting sold somewhere. Put
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  him on your backup list right now because he's
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  going to get a ton of carries. As Vikings fans,
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  we've got to see him. He looks pretty good. He's
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  somewhat productive, so stash him. And then Dylan
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  Sampson for the Browns is coming off IR. He's
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  the pass -catching running back for the Browns.
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  the feeling of junkins and junkins looked really
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  nice with the browns this week so um there's
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  just some guys right there you know to think
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  about on the waiver wire um that you can fill
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  in on your team right now right on i think i'll
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  do that there's a little rob's fantasy minute
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  right there just like that um let's see anything
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  else you that's laying on your heart before we
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  end our our episode here jake the flock doc um
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  venga ione hurt his knee during the game, like
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  in quarter one against the Bengals. Yep. Offense
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  line, right? Yep. Their rookie kind of Swiss
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  Army, because they moved him to center for a
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  couple of games, then back to guard. That old
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  line, just for the Ravens in general, just continues
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  to be banged up and is something of concern,
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  generally speaking. Vikings, I think, were good.
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  I don't know, other than Aaron Jones Sr. But
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  I think we came out of it healthy. Yeah. They
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  said it was the first time since week one that
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  Jetta's Addison, Hawkinson, and Mason. Yeah,
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  your entire starting. Kyler Murray. Somebody
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  else. Yeah. So that was good to see. Now Kyler's
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  just got to get it to him. Nobody's in the tent.
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  Yeah. No, not for Minnesota anyway. Yeah, that
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  wraps this episode of Tent Talk. Here on Gridiron
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  Updates. Kev, thanks for being here, of course.
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  Thanks, Kev. Jake, the flock doc. Roberto over
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  there. Yep. Silent. I'm Smelty, of course. Don't
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  forget to like, comment, subscribe, or listen
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  Facebook as well, so go find us on there. Oh,
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  Jake needs time. Okay, I'm ready. Okay, time.
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  Done. All right, bye. Bye. Peace. Don't forget
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