Latest / Brian Thomas / Jungle Jim's - International Wine Festival - Nov 14th
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Cd talk station and being a friday a reason enough
- 0:04Speaker 1: to be in a good mood but even more reason
- 0:05Speaker 1: to be a good mood is uh talking to someone
- 0:07Speaker 1: who's an expert in wines and going to jungle gyms
- 0:10Speaker 1: just generally speaking always puts a smile on my face
- 0:12Speaker 1: in fact my wife and i occasionally will just go
- 0:14Speaker 1: well let's just go to jungle gyms you know we
- 0:16Speaker 1: normally shop at your regular kroger or you know the
- 0:18Speaker 1: the the mire whatever but there's something really neat about
- 0:22Speaker 1: going to jungle gyms and and tj is in studio
- 0:25Speaker 1: he happens to be Actually, TJ Askren, he is the
- 0:29Speaker 1: senior department, the wine department manager for both Jungle Gyms locations.
- 0:33Speaker 1: So if you've been to Jungle Gyms, you know the
- 0:35Speaker 1: massive number of wines he's responsible for. Every type of
- 0:39Speaker 1: wine in the world you can find at Jungle Gyms,
- 0:41Speaker 1: both locations. TJ, it's great having you in the studio, man.
- 0:43Speaker 2: Yeah, good morning, Brian. Thanks for having me on.
- 0:45Speaker 1: And I certainly appreciate the selections you brought in.
- 0:48Speaker 2: Oh, you know, I got to take care of my people.
- 0:49Speaker 1: You do, and not that I would ever drink at
- 0:51Speaker 1: the 55 KRC Morning Show Studios, but he brought a
- 0:53Speaker 1: couple of wine selections, one of which happens to be
- 0:54Speaker 1: my favorite wine in the world. He got word. But
- 0:57Speaker 1: how long have you been with Jungle Gyms?
- 0:59Speaker 2: Been there 11 years.
- 1:00Speaker 1: 11 years. It's got to be a fun job. It is.
- 1:03Speaker 2: It's demanding, but, you know, it's got its perks.
- 1:05Speaker 1: Well, I heard that the business model at Jungle Gyms
- 1:07Speaker 1: is every, you know, there's so many different departments. You know,
- 1:11Speaker 1: there's the The Asian food area, there's the seafood area,
- 1:15Speaker 1: there is the meat department, there's the cheese department, the
- 1:17Speaker 1: wine department. Each one is its own little business, as
- 1:21Speaker 1: I understand it.
- 1:22Speaker 2: Yeah, we pretty much run each individual department as its business,
- 1:26Speaker 2: and then it all falls under the umbrella of Jungle Gems.
- 1:29Speaker 1: Well, it makes so much sense. You manage a smaller
- 1:32Speaker 1: area within it, and it's your fiefdom, your area, and
- 1:35Speaker 1: profitability is followed. You know what you need to buy,
- 1:38Speaker 1: what's selling, what isn't. So I discovered that just recently.
- 1:42Speaker 1: I just always wondered as I walked into the massive
- 1:45Speaker 1: store with everything they sell, how in God's name do
- 1:48Speaker 1: they know what to buy and what quantity of things
- 1:50Speaker 1: to buy?
- 1:51Speaker 2: I mean, that's what Jungle hangs his hat on.
- 1:53Speaker 1: No kidding.
- 1:54Speaker 2: He finds the best people to run each of his
- 1:56Speaker 2: departments and lets us go wild.
- 1:58Speaker 1: Well, I tested your street cred. I asked you if
- 2:00Speaker 1: you knew Keegan Corcoran, and you actually do work with him.
- 2:03Speaker 2: I do business with Keegan. He's great.
- 2:04Speaker 1: I call him our resident wine steward. All right. Well,
- 2:07Speaker 1: the reason you're in here is not just to talk
- 2:08Speaker 1: about how awesome Jungle Gems is, and I share that perception,
- 2:11Speaker 1: and the wine department, generally speaking, but you're having an
- 2:14Speaker 1: international wine festival event coming up. Tell my listeners all
- 2:16Speaker 1: about that.
- 2:17Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is actually going to be our 17th
- 2:19Speaker 2: annual wine fest. It should be 19th, but unfortunately we
- 2:23Speaker 2: had two years in 20 and 21 where we weren't
- 2:25Speaker 2: allowed to do it.
- 2:27Speaker 1: Yeah, any act is responsible for that, right?
- 2:29Speaker 2: Yes.
- 2:30Speaker 1: Yeah, great. All right, another thing to remember.
- 2:32Speaker 2: Yeah, so we are going to take advantage of two
- 2:34Speaker 2: of our event spaces at the Fairfield location. So the
- 2:38Speaker 2: Oscar Event Center, which is located directly above Beer and Wine,
- 2:41Speaker 2: is going to be all VIP. We're going to have
- 2:45Speaker 2: 18 wonderful tables of wine. We're going to have food galore.
- 2:50Speaker 2: And our VIPs will actually be able to go in
- 2:52Speaker 2: an hour early. So they get 6 p.m. to 10 p.m.
- 2:56Speaker 2: And then they can do everything in the Oscar event.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Then they can jump on the monorail and they can
- 3:01Speaker 2: head out to the other event space, which is the
- 3:03Speaker 2: Oscard Station, which is out in the parking lot where
- 3:06Speaker 2: we used to house all of the monorail cars.
- 3:08Speaker 1: Oh, I remember that.
- 3:09Speaker 2: Yeah, so Jungle has transformed that into an awesome event space.
- 3:13Speaker 2: If you're a bourbon drinker, go check it out. We've
- 3:15Speaker 2: got a huge, he converted a dry cleaning rack, automatic rack.
- 3:21Speaker 2: to hold bottles of bourbon so you can come up
- 3:23Speaker 2: and hit a button and it just rotates around until
- 3:25Speaker 2: you find the one you want and then the bartender
- 3:27Speaker 2: will pour it for you right there.
- 3:29Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.
- 3:29Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. But our general admission starts at 7 p.m.
- 3:34Speaker 2: It's all going to be at the Oscar Station. And
- 3:37Speaker 2: we're calling it general admission, but this would be a
- 3:39Speaker 2: VIP tasting anywhere else. There's 75 tables out there. We
- 3:43Speaker 2: are pouring champagne. We're pouring some big nap of cabs.
- 3:49Speaker 2: We're going to have Wines from 11 different countries. And
- 3:54Speaker 2: then inside of those countries, we're going to have three
- 3:56Speaker 2: tables of sake from Japan. Oh, yeah. And then just
- 4:01Speaker 2: because we're jungle and we want to be crazy, we're
- 4:02Speaker 2: going to have a Slovenian table, too. So I don't
- 4:04Speaker 2: know if you've ever had wine from Slovenia before, but
- 4:07Speaker 2: it's awesome.
- 4:07Speaker 1: Oh, about that. That's going to be fun. Well, I mean,
- 4:09Speaker 1: opportunity to try things you probably never would have an
- 4:11Speaker 1: opportunity to try.
- 4:12Speaker 2: That's the whole point.
- 4:13Speaker 1: Oh, I wonder what the Slovenian stuff tastes like. Well,
- 4:15Speaker 1: there you go. You don't have to buy a bottle
- 4:17Speaker 1: of your own. Just walk around and sample it all.
- 4:18Speaker 2: And then, Brian, the best part of all of it?
- 4:21Speaker 2: As you're talking to wine professionals that are at each table,
- 4:24Speaker 2: you can purchase the wine right there. We have an app,
- 4:26Speaker 2: Buyer's Club Map. You try the wine. You're like, oh,
- 4:29Speaker 2: I want one or two bottles of that. We'll have
- 4:31Speaker 2: it waiting for you the next Friday at Jungle to
- 4:33Speaker 2: be picked up.
- 4:34Speaker 1: Oh, that's great. That's great. Wait a second. You said
- 4:36Speaker 1: it goes from 6 to 10?
- 4:39Speaker 2: VIP is 6 p.m. to 10 p.m. General admission is
- 4:42Speaker 2: 7 p.m. to 10 p.m.
- 4:44Speaker 1: That's a lot of drinking that can go under that.
- 4:46Speaker 1: It is. It's an Uber event.
- 4:47Speaker 2: It is absolutely an Uber, Lyft event. Get yourself a DD.
- 4:52Speaker 2: We do sell tickets that are non-drinker tickets for VIP
- 4:56Speaker 2: and for GA if you want to bring a DD
- 4:58Speaker 2: along with you.
- 4:59Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.
- 5:00Speaker 2: We'll call you a cab if you don't want to
- 5:01Speaker 2: do a ride share. But take advantage of all the
- 5:04Speaker 2: hotels that are out there in Fairfield. There's plenty of
- 5:06Speaker 2: places to stay.
- 5:07Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. You know, I would argue the best thing
- 5:11Speaker 1: somebody could do would be going there, well, before the
- 5:13Speaker 1: thing opens at 6 and just taking a cruise around
- 5:16Speaker 1: and checking out the wares that are available at Jungle Jim's.
- 5:18Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, the curtains open at 6. But
- 5:21Speaker 2: definitely come in and check out the store.
- 5:23Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
- 5:24Speaker 2: See what we've got going on.
- 5:25Speaker 1: I would tell people to do it anyway because you
- 5:26Speaker 1: haven't been there. You don't know what I'm talking about.
- 5:29Speaker 1: I'm a foodie. And my wife and I cook international
- 5:32Speaker 1: recipes all the time. It's like, where and how are
- 5:33Speaker 1: we going to find that? Well, Jungle Jim's. They've got
- 5:36Speaker 1: an aisle for that.
- 5:37Speaker 2: Wonderful. Well, if you're such a foodie. You should have
- 5:39Speaker 2: VIP tickets for next Saturday night. So they're almost sold
- 5:42Speaker 2: out right now. They are one hundred and ninety dollars
- 5:45Speaker 2: their ticket. So I get you your 18 tables of
- 5:48Speaker 2: outstanding wine. Plus, we have dinner by the bite throughout
- 5:51Speaker 2: the whole VIP and we're Jungle Jim. So we don't
- 5:55Speaker 2: do just regular steakhouse stuff. I mean, we're serving stuff.
- 6:00Speaker 2: We have a duck and sausage. We have a whole
- 6:03Speaker 2: suckling pig. We're doing grouper tacos and some West Coast
- 6:08Speaker 2: oysters all up in the VIP. That's included in your ticket.
- 6:12Speaker 2: So not only are you drinking well, you're eating well, too.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Grouper and oysters?
- 6:16Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 6:17Speaker 1: Just among all the other things? I mean, I'd pay
- 6:19Speaker 1: $ 190 to be around grouper and oysters all evening.
- 6:21Speaker 2: I know.
- 6:23Speaker 1: So I'm hearing the word unlimited in terms of your
- 6:27Speaker 1: ability to just sort of graze and eat and drink wine.
- 6:30Speaker 2: Well, I mean... To a point, you know, we want
- 6:33Speaker 2: you to be able to walk out of the event. But,
- 6:35Speaker 2: you know, yes.
- 6:36Speaker 1: Yeah. Not stumbling around drunk.
- 6:39Speaker 2: Right.
- 6:39Speaker 1: Trying to give people a sense of appreciation for what
- 6:41Speaker 1: they're getting for one hundred ninety bucks.
- 6:43Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You come up. There's going to be two
- 6:44Speaker 2: wine professionals at each table. There'll be one person that's
- 6:48Speaker 2: pouring and then one person from either the winery itself
- 6:51Speaker 2: or the importer or the distributor that sells it to me.
- 6:53Speaker 2: That will give you as little or as much information
- 6:56Speaker 2: that you'd like to know about each wine.
- 6:59Speaker 1: I had that scene of Blues Brothers in my mind
- 7:01Speaker 1: about wrong glass, sir. Yes. You said as little or
- 7:04Speaker 1: as much. Come on, come on. Right. So sparkling wines,
- 7:08Speaker 1: all types of wines across the entire spectrum, including dessert wines,
- 7:11Speaker 1: which you brought with you today. So I just struck
- 7:13Speaker 1: up the details for the event on 55kRC. iheart. com. Speaking of wines,
- 7:18Speaker 1: I had told you indirectly through Brian Massa, the sales
- 7:21Speaker 1: guy who brought you in here today. Brian's a good guy. Yeah.
- 7:24Speaker 1: And he said, well, you would ask what I like.
- 7:26Speaker 1: And we had what I thought was really an amazing
- 7:28Speaker 1: red wine. I'm not normally a cab guy, but we
- 7:31Speaker 1: had a disastrous experience and ended up having to get
- 7:33Speaker 1: a substitute bottle of wine at a nice restaurant we
- 7:35Speaker 1: were at. And it was recommended by the sommelier there.
- 7:38Speaker 1: Was it Jacob Isosceles, right?
- 7:40Speaker 2: Justin.
- 7:41Speaker 1: Justin. Justin Isosceles. I'd never had it before, and I
- 7:44Speaker 1: absolutely fell in love with it. So I told Brian,
- 7:46Speaker 1: I like that Justin Isosceles, and I like Dolce. It's
- 7:49Speaker 1: my favorite wine. And you brought in a comparable... if
- 7:55Speaker 1: not equal or better than the Isosceles that I mentioned.
- 7:59Speaker 1: What is that particular wine?
- 8:00Speaker 2: In the eyes of the beholder, yes.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know, but this is subjectivity that we
- 8:03Speaker 1: got here.
- 8:03Speaker 2: So, you know, Isosceles is an iconic wine from Paso
- 8:06Speaker 2: Robles in Southern California. Another iconic wine from Paso Robles
- 8:11Speaker 2: is Dow, which Dow Mountain produces quite possibly the best
- 8:16Speaker 2: red wine in Southern California.
- 8:18Speaker 1: D-A-O-U for folks paying attention. Dow Cabernet Sauvignon.
- 8:21Speaker 2: Very cool story. So Dao was started by two brothers.
- 8:24Speaker 2: They're Lebanese. In the early 70s during the Civil War
- 8:28Speaker 2: in Lebanon, there was a missile that exploded right outside
- 8:31Speaker 2: of their house. Both of them and their parents were
- 8:33Speaker 2: injured very badly. They rehabbed, left Lebanon to get away
- 8:38Speaker 2: from the Civil War, went to France, grew up in
- 8:42Speaker 2: France basically as they were rehabbing, got the wine bug
- 8:46Speaker 2: because you're living in southern France, right? What else are
- 8:48Speaker 2: you going to do? They eventually moved to San Diego.
- 8:52Speaker 2: Both of them went into the tech field, graduated from
- 8:55Speaker 2: the University of California, San Diego. Then they started a
- 8:59Speaker 2: tech company in the 80s that was made to upgrade
- 9:03Speaker 2: hospital software. Blew it out of the water, sold their
- 9:06Speaker 2: business for billions of dollars, and they're like, what are
- 9:08Speaker 2: we going to do now? We're going to go buy
- 9:11Speaker 2: a mountain. So they bought Dow Mountain. They owned the
- 9:13Speaker 2: entire mountain, all the plantings that happened on the mountain.
- 9:18Speaker 2: picked different exposures and made wine up until a few
- 9:21Speaker 2: years ago. And they decided to retire and they sold
- 9:24Speaker 2: to Treasury Wine Estate, which Treasury is Penfold. So everybody
- 9:27Speaker 2: knows Penfold's wine, right? So now it's in the Penfold's area.
- 9:33Speaker 2: This is Dow Reserve, 100% Cabernet. It is probably my
- 9:36Speaker 2: favorite bottling from Impasso Robles. It's under a hundred bucks,
- 9:40Speaker 2: is readily available at Jungle Gems. And we're pouring it
- 9:43Speaker 2: at Wine Fest. So if you'd like to try it,
- 9:44Speaker 2: and this is not even in the fine wine room,
- 9:46Speaker 2: this is in GA. Oh, whoa, whoa.
- 9:49Speaker 1: That speaks volumes. Yeah. They've got an amazing wine selection
- 9:52Speaker 1: at Jungle Chips. It's just amazing. Well, I'll tell you what,
- 9:55Speaker 1: for those who are not typically inclined to like Cabernets
- 9:58Speaker 1: because of how dry they can be, I always think
- 10:00Speaker 1: the analogy that goes in my mind, you get a
- 10:02Speaker 1: real dry cab and it feels like you're trying to
- 10:04Speaker 1: swallow a Kleenex. Obviously an overstatement, but this wine, were
- 10:08Speaker 1: I to drink it here this morning, is not in
- 10:10Speaker 1: any way, shape, or form along the lines of that dry, very,
- 10:13Speaker 1: very drinkable wine, very smooth, and just an amazing flavor.
- 10:16Speaker 1: So Dow, D-A-O-U, Cabernet Sauvignon. We'll get another wine recommendation
- 10:20Speaker 1: or two from T.J. Asker. It's 820 here at 55
- 10:24Speaker 1: Karat City Talk Station. International Wine Festival. Sounds like one
- 10:30Speaker 1: hell of an event taking place at Jungle Jim's. All
- 10:32Speaker 1: the information on the blog page, 55karatcity. com. And yeah, $ 190
- 10:35Speaker 1: sounds like expensive for a VIP pass, but according to T.J.
- 10:40Speaker 1: Asker and his institute, he's the, well, a senior wine
- 10:44Speaker 1: department manager for both Jungle Jim's locations, which speaks volumes
- 10:47Speaker 1: to his knowledge and expertise about wines. massive quantities of really,
- 10:51Speaker 1: really good hors d'oeuvres, unlimited amounts of wine, brilliant, wonderful wines.
- 10:57Speaker 1: I mean, this Cabernet, we just had that Dow Cabernet,
- 10:59Speaker 1: fabulous stuff. You're going to have that and so much
- 11:01Speaker 1: more at the International Wine Festival. So make a date
- 11:04Speaker 1: night of it. Get a group together and go out together.
- 11:06Speaker 1: But hurry up and get the tickets while they're available.
- 11:08Speaker 1: And I'm certain they're going to run out. TJ. Yes, sir.
- 11:11Speaker 1: Let's talk. A fabulous history about that Dow. That was wild,
- 11:17Speaker 1: what led up to the.
- 11:19Speaker 2: That is honestly one of the reasons I got into wine.
- 11:21Speaker 2: I was always a history buff, and you can connect
- 11:24Speaker 2: wine to world history, geography. It all kind of folds together,
- 11:28Speaker 2: and it makes wine make sense.
- 11:30Speaker 1: How about that? Well, I've been to wine country once,
- 11:33Speaker 1: and I can't remember under what circumstance. I think we
- 11:35Speaker 1: were out there for a legal conference. It was a wedding.
- 11:38Speaker 1: And ended up just stopping off at one winery, didn't
- 11:41Speaker 1: have advanced reservations or anything. I was like, okay, fine,
- 11:43Speaker 1: we're here. The one I always wanted to go to
- 11:45Speaker 1: because of this wine that you brought today was Farniente.
- 11:48Speaker 2: Oh, you want to go?
- 11:49Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:50Speaker 2: I know some people.
- 11:50Speaker 1: Okay, and so does Keegan.
- 11:51Speaker 2: Maybe we can make a party of it. Yeah.
- 11:53Speaker 1: But Farniente is responsible for Dulce. Yeah, for Dulce, exactly.
- 11:57Speaker 1: Which happens to be my ultimate favorite wine. And it's
- 11:59Speaker 1: a dessert wine. And it sounds weird because I'm not
- 12:01Speaker 1: normally a sweets guy. But Dolce, as I described to you,
- 12:05Speaker 1: and I'm no sommelier, and I had to even call
- 12:07Speaker 1: Keegan to find out what that finish was, and you
- 12:09Speaker 1: said you thought it was more eucalyptus. Right.
- 12:12Speaker 2: It's, you know, especially where it's grown. So, Fariente is
- 12:17Speaker 2: mostly grown on the Martin Stelling Vineyard site, which is
- 12:20Speaker 2: right next door to Robert Mondavi and Tokalon, inside of
- 12:24Speaker 2: the Oakville AVA in Napa, okay? This... It should only
- 12:30Speaker 2: be planted Cabernet, right? If you're looking at it from
- 12:32Speaker 2: a business perspective, you make 10 times more money off
- 12:37Speaker 2: Cabernet per hectare that you plant. But these old vines,
- 12:41Speaker 2: Semillon and Sauvignon Blanc, is in the very back of
- 12:44Speaker 2: the Martin-Stelling vineyard site, and they refuse to pull it
- 12:49Speaker 2: out because this little zone, for some reason, lets these
- 12:55Speaker 2: white wines to get Botrytis-infected. That's the key right there.
- 12:59Speaker 2: That's the key. It's the absolute key. What it is,
- 13:02Speaker 2: it's a fungus that grows on the grape. It makes
- 13:05Speaker 2: all the moisture in the water evaporate from the grape,
- 13:08Speaker 2: leaving just the sugars.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Like a raisin.
- 13:10Speaker 2: It is. It's almost like a raisin, yeah. So when
- 13:13Speaker 2: these are right and when the conditions are right for
- 13:15Speaker 2: Botrytis to happen, you can make Dolce. And it's not
- 13:20Speaker 2: just us that are singing the praises of Dolce. The
- 13:23Speaker 2: most famous dessert wine in the world, Chateau Ikem in
- 13:27Speaker 2: South Turns, Bordeaux, claimed Dolce as its only rival.
- 13:32Speaker 1: See, and I had no idea any of that when
- 13:33Speaker 1: I first tried it. A friend of mine had just,
- 13:36Speaker 1: I guess we ordered it at dinner or something. This
- 13:38Speaker 1: was when I lived in Chicago. And just the minute
- 13:40Speaker 1: it hit my palate, I'm like, oh, my God, this
- 13:43Speaker 1: is just glorious. It is.
- 13:46Speaker 2: I'll say it. It's the best dessert wine in the
- 13:48Speaker 2: United States.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Well, you don't need to convince me. I haven't had
- 13:51Speaker 1: many dessert wines in my life, to be honest with you,
- 13:53Speaker 1: maybe 10, 15 my entire life. I've been going back
- 13:56Speaker 1: to Dolce time and time again. 350-milliliter bottle. Here's why
- 13:59Speaker 1: I don't drink it every day. 350-milliliter bottle is like $ 100,
- 14:01Speaker 1: $ 120 now. How about $ 89. 99 at Jungle.
- 14:02Speaker 2: Gems right now? Oh, get it at Jungle Gems.
- 14:06Speaker 1: Save some money. I'm glad I asked that out loud. Well,
- 14:10Speaker 1: get to the International Wine Festival. I can't encourage you enough.
- 14:13Speaker 1: Even if you're like me, you like wine, but you're
- 14:16Speaker 1: not a sommelier level. You don't know how to describe it.
- 14:18Speaker 1: You know it's current with a little bit of it. No,
- 14:20Speaker 1: don't worry about that. Just enjoy it while you can.
- 14:22Speaker 1: You get a variety to choose from. Taste things you
- 14:25Speaker 1: normally wouldn't taste. And TJ Askren, I can't thank you
- 14:28Speaker 1: enough for coming to the studio and just, well, keeping
- 14:31Speaker 1: that place in order and the selection and just being
- 14:34Speaker 1: in Jungle Jams.
- 14:35Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for having me on. And right before
- 14:37Speaker 2: I leave, I just want to make sure that I'm
- 14:39Speaker 2: taking care of my Eastside guys, right? So the festival
- 14:42Speaker 2: is at the Fairfield location. We've got a free bus
- 14:45Speaker 2: ride from Jungle Jams Eastgate to Fairfield, and we'll bring
- 14:49Speaker 2: you back, too. All sponsored by Kendall-Jackson. Oh, that's awesome.
- 14:53Speaker 2: So you can have some KJ on your way out.
- 14:57Speaker 2: Probably not any on the way back, but maybe. I
- 14:59Speaker 2: don't know. We'll see how everybody's feeling. And then you
- 15:01Speaker 2: can grab a Lyft or an Uber from Jungle Eastgate.
- 15:04Speaker 1: How do you get on that bus?
- 15:05Speaker 2: What's that? It is part of the ticket. So when
- 15:07Speaker 2: you go to Eventbrite and you search Jungle Gems International
- 15:10Speaker 2: Wine Festival, one of the ticket options at the bottom
- 15:13Speaker 2: is Eastgate bus for $ 0.
- 15:16Speaker 1: Party bus with wine. Yes.
- 15:18Speaker 2: And there's no upcharge.
- 15:20Speaker 1: That's great. And I will point out that when my
- 15:22Speaker 1: wife and I first started dating, she took me for
- 15:25Speaker 1: the very first time.