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World Cup Fever, Celtics Chaos, and Pop Culture Night: The Regulars Unfiltered · The Regulars

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  Welcome all, it is a Monday night, we got a lot of sports to cover, a lot of decent
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  politics to cover, and you know what?
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  A lot of fun pop culture to cover today.
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  We actually have a more fun day of the regulars than normal, which I'm really excited about
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  because last one was a bit spicy, so let's go ahead and have ourselves a wonderful night
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  in talking sports and enjoying each other's company.
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  Grab your drinks, it's Monday night, welcome to the regulars, I'm Cody Decker.
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  I'm Tanya Rae Fox.
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  How you doing?
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  And I'm doing great.
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  I'm in a much better mood entering the show than I was on Friday.
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  That's always good.
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  A little more scattered, but pulled it together, rundown's delightful, so I'm looking forward
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  to that.
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  We got a lot to cover today, and honestly a lot of good stuff to cover.
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  Like, for instance, we're going to get to the World Cup, which we are both flat out
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  addicted to.
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  I cannot stop watching, I'm fucking addicted.
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  Match going on right now, I'm still waiting to see, did the weather report even come to
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  an end over there for France?
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  Because I want to see the second half of that match.
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  Oh, it's got to be done.
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  It's got to be, but there was lightning in the air in Philly, so they had to postpone
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  it.
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  So it was like an hour and a half.
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  I never even thought about it.
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  I've been waiting to get back to that game, but we got that, we got some other great stuff
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  to talk about.
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  Hell, we're doing like a little movie corner today.
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  Oh shit, we're 46 minutes in to France and Russia.
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  So still, yeah, the rain is still delaying this match.
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  One nothing, damn.
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  We got more Mbappé tonight, so maybe good news, it gets delayed enough that we get to
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  watch it.
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  Yeah, well, you know, at that point they might just end up letting Mbappé rest.
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  I don't know.
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  I am worried about them having to get the rest in the middle of the game now.
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  Maybe, yeah, that's going to be interesting.
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  But we'll be talking about what people are planning to do in this final game of the group
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  stage because teams that have wrapped things up are going to start behaving a little differently,
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  so we'll talk about that.
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  Yeah, it was all good, the weekend was good.
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  We took the regulars out in the wild.
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  Boy, oh boy, I got to tell you, these World Cup games are going to fucking kill me, man.
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  There's a meme going around of Pep Guardiola and it's like him just like sitting in his
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  manager's chair and there's like an empty seat next to him and he just turns and starts
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  talking to literally no one.
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  And it was like me after watching 30 World Cup games in seven days.
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  No, excuse me, it's my liver is not going to keep me alive through this thing.
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  I'm realizing that a few people actually said this online.
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  The World Cup is not actually about soccer.
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  It's about getting the world's biggest alcoholics all together to party in a new town and we
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  are partying like crazy and I think there's a lot of pent up aggression from the Qatar
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  one because there was no booze allowed.
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  So now everybody's just making up for fucking lost time.
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  Holy hell, this has become a drink fest.
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  You go see the Germany game, there's going to be beer around.
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  You go to Mexico, cerveza left and right, man.
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  And also the vibe is something that I think a lot of us needed here.
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  We've been in the darkest timeline and the vibrance of having everybody here and enjoying
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  their time here and sharing culture, sharing food, sharing drink, songs, all the things
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  that are happening and the camaraderie that's happening at the games.
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  We needed it.
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  We needed to see that we were part of a global culture.
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  Yeah, we're finally, honestly, it's the first time in a while we felt that way because it's
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  hard not to feel like you're a part of an imperialistic regime sometimes.
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  We are.
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  Well, I mean, it's not that we feel like we are.
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  We are.
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  I know.
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  I was being nice.
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  Okay.
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  We are the bad people.
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  Sometimes.
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  But like truly for us, I do think that at least for me, all I can say is for me personally,
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  it has been incredibly necessary to feel like a human being that can connect with people
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  outside and to have people come here.
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  A lot of people have said like, I was scared to come here and what, and understandably
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  so.
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  And there are still Iranians and people who are having a difficult time getting here.
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  There are people who can't afford visas to come over because Trump jacked up the price,
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  things like that.
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  But, but upon getting here, the reception from the American people, whether it is in
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  the Northeast, Boston, Philly, whatever, whether it is in Kansas, whether it is out here on
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  the West Coast has, they have felt like a little bit reminder of like, oh, we get propagandized
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  to by American media and by the world media.
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  We get told about who Americans are more often than we get to actually experience it for
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  ourselves.
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  And when we come here and experience it, it's actually been amazing.
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  Yeah.
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  I saw a great, great thing.
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  It was going around like the world cup is actually where all the cousins get together
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  that never get to see each other because all our parents hate each other.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  Oh, that's such a good, that's a really good way to put it.
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  It's a really good way to put it.
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  We're all the cousins.
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  We all get along great.
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  Yeah.
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  And, um, you know, I feel like, uh, a lot of people, you know, someone made a really
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  good point where they were like a lot of people's, uh, especially Europeans ideas of what Americans
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  are and who Americans are, are the people who can afford to travel to Europe, which
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  is very often not our best, right?
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  Like it's, you know, money doesn't do great things to people over here.
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  And a lot of times there's, they're getting the more entitled American over in Europe.
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  But when you come here, you get to experience the people who are actually making up the
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  fabric of the country within the context of it.
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  Absolutely.
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  And it's been great to see.
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  And we'll get into a little bit more of the actual world cup play and what's going to
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  take place.
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  But listen, I'm kind of excited to open up with this because not only do we have a draft
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  tomorrow, it looks like we're going to have some serious theatrics beforehand.
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  If you believe reports from, and I do tend to believe Shams and Wendy.
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  So I don't know, this has gone crazy.
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  Talk about how sad you are.
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  Tell the people.
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  Well, the Celtics are rumored to have a pretty strong interest in trading for Giannis much
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  more than we previously might've thought.
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  It is completely at this point down to the Celtics in the heat.
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  That is like essentially what the reporting has been is that it is completely down to
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  the Celtics in the heat.
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  And it's really just a matter of, you know, who puts together a package and whatever.
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  Giannis is gone.
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  People kept trying to say, maybe, maybe not, maybe not, no, it's happening.
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  There are, there are a ton of varying opinions about what this, what this would be for the
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  Celtics.
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  We're going to talk about the Celtics because it is the more interesting play.
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  Let's be honest.
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  The heat are like, we really don't, they're a little bit of a more unknown entity, whereas
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  the Celtics, we know exactly what this would look like and what they'd have to give up
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  specifically to.
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  Do we have an idea what the heat would need to give up though?
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  Because I know what the Celtics need to give up, but because here's, what's been said to
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  me a bunch of times, specifically by Derek Fisher, he doesn't really understand the idea
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  of putting BAM and Giannis together.
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  That seems a little problematic.
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  I, I don't quite understand it either, although I could see the benefit of it with Giannis
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  as an older player.
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  Like, I mean, they're both not young, right.
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  But like, I kind of, I could see Eric Spolstra and the heat, Pat Riley, that specific organization
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  being like, why can't we have two bags?
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  Like, they are the kind of, they are the kind of organization that would do something
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  like that.
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  I do wonder what they would give up if they're not giving up BAM.
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  Yeah.
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  Fascinating.
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  Right?
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  Like, that's the whole thing around the Giannis trade for the Celtics is like, they got to
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  be planning on giving up Jalen Brown.
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  If you believe reports, that is exactly what they're doing.
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  Yes.
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  And so we'll, I'll let you know that Jalen Brown was asked today about, or he was asked
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  yesterday and how he feels kind of, you know, about what's going on right now.
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  And he said, it just gives me more fuel to the fire, to all the people that doubted me
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  that want me to do this or want me gone.
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  You're turning me into a monster.
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  This is like a lot of the stuff that he's been, he's been kind of spouting across the
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  course of the off season.
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  Every time there's trade rumors, he has this relationship to it.
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  So if he doesn't get traded, he'll be fine.
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  This happened last off season.
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  So this isn't going to do damage to him being able to operate within the Celtics organization.
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  He's always good with it.
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  The question is, is this actually a good move for them?
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  And I want to talk to you about what DeMarcus Cousins said, because I think it can lead
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  into a good conversation for us.
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  He said, he's sort of hearing the sirens before the fire for the, for he said, Celtics have
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  more of a championship window with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum.
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  I don't quite understand why they would go all in for you as far as Giannis is coming
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  to a close.
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  And as far as his peak in the NBA, that's coming to a close.
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  When you think about it from that point standpoint, it doesn't quite make sense now.
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  I agree that there are red flags with bringing Giannis in, but I don't agree with them for
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  the same reasons that DeMarcus Cousins is saying right now.
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  I believe that the, the most, I think Giannis could absolutely continue to be a, a role
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  player.
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  I'm sorry, a star on a title team for the next 10 years.
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  I don't think that that's an issue.
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  What I think is an issue is the fact that Giannis is a, an unknown entity in a pair
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  that all right.
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  We already know works together.
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  You and I talked about this a lot across the course of the regular season about how people
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  seem to, for whatever reason, wipe their brains men in black style about what Jalen Brown
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  and Jason Tatum have done together.
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  Like I hate to break it to everybody, but not every single, you know, championship caliber
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  team is a dynasty.
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  But the reality is they have been to what six and a Eastern conference championship
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  games.
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  They've played in two NBA finals, have a title.
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  This is what they've built together.
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  This is a duo that built everything.
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  They are, they built together and have always been successful at it all the way to Eastern
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  conference finals until this year when Jason Tatum had was coming back from an Achilles
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  and they decided they weren't going to build a title contending team around him.
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  That's it.
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  Like that's the only thing that happened.
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  That's the only one thing.
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  If a very healthy title contending roster built to be a title contender had not made
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  the Eastern conference finals.
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  I could see a little bit of panic around that.
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  Like at this point, that's not what happened.
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  Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum were playing excellently together.
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  Cody, you tell me what the point is of, of breaking up that duo to see if there's a maybe
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  3% chance that Jason Tatum and Giannis are better together than Jason Tatum and Jalen
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  Brown.
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  What's the point?
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  I don't know.
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  I really don't see the point.
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  All I know is that you're willing to trade away the younger.
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  Now here's the thing.
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  I disagree with the age thing.
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  There's no proof right now that Giannis is coming to the end of his prime.
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  What is a prime?
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  Now the guy is in incredible shape.
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  If he stays healthy, LeBron James is about to get possibly like a max deal and he's going
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  into his 42 year season.
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  Katie is seven foot tall and like a hundred pounds and he's still like, I'm sorry, I'm
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  not willing to have that conversation about somebody not being in their prime anymore
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  until we eventually see that they're no longer in their prime because primes can be extended.
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  At this point.
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  Right.
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  Um, however, if we are going to have the age conversation, Jalen Brown is younger if we're
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  going to have the, I honestly do not understand this because Jalen Brown has been healthy
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  for years.
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  He's done nothing but do every possible role.
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  Uh, he, he, he was the finals MVP if I remember correctly, was he not?
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  He was, he was the finals MVP.
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  He was nearly the MVP in the goddamn league last fucking year.
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  And yet somehow he still gets shit on by certain people.
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  I don't know where this narrative comes from.
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  I don't know if it's because he's outspoken and because we just don't like it or when
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  our athletes are a little outspoken.
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  I get that.
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  But you know what he is?
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  He's a fucking good player.
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  And honestly you think you're getting less personality with Giannis coming in?
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  I'm sorry.
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  What the fuck are you talking about?
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  And by the way, I love Giannis.
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  I would love to have him here in LA if there's no universe.
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  I see that happening, but there are rumors that the Lakers are trying to get on this,
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  but I don't know how that's remotely possible.
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  Um, I'm just sitting here going like, dude, great.
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  Go ahead and do it.
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  I don't, I don't see how it's an upgrade.
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  How about that?
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  If your argument is, well, now we've got a guy that can go into the paint and we can
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  handle the three with Tatum instead of Brown and just only shoot threes.
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  I'm like, you could do that now.
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  I don't know why you're doing this only with Giannis coming in.
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  However, it is some star power when they are, when they are there, when they've been there
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  most effective, uh, when they've made their adjustments has been, okay, we got to break
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  up the three ball, get it.
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  And it's Jason driving the lane.
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  It's Jalen Brown setting stuff up in the paint.
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  Like that is absolutely stuff that they have done exceptionally well before, because there
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  was an era prior to this, before this, where they weren't the three ball team that they
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  became that won the title.
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  And so I agree it's, we have no proof.
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  It's an upgrade.
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  It is very rare that you have a, a duo that works as well and has been historically successful
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  as Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, where people continue to try to break it up for no other
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  reason than because they seem to have the expectation, um, of them that, that really
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  doesn't it that they've already risen to.
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  Well, here's the thing.
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  The thing that never made sense to me, this is why we were actually shitting on it when
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  we were talking about it before we were like, well, that just doesn't make sense simply
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  because they make the same money.
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  So you're really just swapping the same amount of money and you're getting older with your
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  team and why would you trade away the guy that fucking carried your goddamn team all
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  season long?
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  That being said, listen, it isn't star power.
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  I'll tell you right now, high off the glass in here, this is a guy named Oh, the great,
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  he watches all of our stuff and loves it.
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  He's having a little bit of trouble getting there.
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  He's a, he's a Celtics fan.
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  He fucking hates this.
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  I'm having trouble understanding about this and maybe you can shed some light on this.
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  There is an alarming trend of new NBA ownership groups destroying what was there, what was
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  there before they brought in this team, uh, sons, Mavericks, Bucks, and now Boston.
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  Do you think there's actual validity to that?
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  New ownership group wants to make it their own, put their stamp on it.
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  If so, that's fucking stupid.
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  100%.
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  Jesus.
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  100%.
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  That's fucking stupid.
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  It's absolutely a thing.
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  Now I will say son's ownership has been trash, right?
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  Like, um, and that was like a whole thing.
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  And then they went into a thing where it was like, Oh, this is going to be the big new
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  era.
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  And that has not turned out to be the case.
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  Um, the Celtics had really good ownership and they, and so it, it's an unfit, I feel
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  like it's unfamiliar territory a little bit, but at the same time, this does feel like
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  a forced narrative.
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  I can't really envision a world where even someone like Brad Stevens, who will make big
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  moves, who will make the hard decisions, who will get rid of players.
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  Like none of us want to see drew holiday go, but like he did what he had to do.
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  Like he's going to do what he has to do.
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  I, this doesn't seem like a move that makes sense for him.
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  It doesn't make it seem like a move that Joe Missoula would particularly want.
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  In fact, Joe kind of just, he's like, give me the team and I'm going to make them work.
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  And he has a great relation.
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  Like he has very close relationships with Jalen and Jason.
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  So I don't think it's coming from him.
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  So that absolutely makes it seem like it could be an ownership thing.
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  And the, it's a, it's a really tricky game to play because could Giannis turn the seam
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  right back around and him and Jason Tatum are the most electric duo we've seen in the
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  last fucking whatever, however many years.
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  Sure.
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  But the risk on the other side of that is that you just broke up one of the six most
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  successful duos in the league.
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  One of the most successful duos in the history of the Celtics really, I mean, since the nineties
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  And for what?
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  To bring in a superstar, like that doesn't fit into your system in any capacity, that's
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  going to be a problem.
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  So it's a real gamble.
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  And I like, I'm always confused when you have something works at the, that works as a fan's
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  love that you're like, but what if we fucked it up?
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  It's just, it's, it's fascinating to me that we're watching a very unique era of parody
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  in the NBA.
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  No one's winning multiple titles in a row right now.
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  It's been very impressive to actually see eight years of someone new winning and it's
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  been very impressive to see.
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  And I think just, you know, the golden state warriors did this to us.
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  I think that of course the Lakers have done this to us.
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  And then of course the, the, the, the bowls in the nineties did this to us.
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  And then the Lakers and Celtics, and again, again, we're so used to these dynasties that
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  now we don't fucking give validity to teams that are winning championships because not
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  all, no, everyone can't be great.
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  They all are fucking great.
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  They're all fucking great.
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  Each one of these guys can fucking win a championship.
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  They're all fucking great.
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  Not it's like, it's not a league of Jordan anymore.
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  It's a league of fucking 50 Jordans.
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  It's batshit.
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  So yeah, these playoffs, anyone can find, would you have been shocked if the Minnesota
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  Timberwolves won the championship?
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  Denver?
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  I thought they could.
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  Yeah.
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  Fucking the Laker.
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  If the Lakers were healthy, obviously.
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  But after the marks they had, fuck yeah, they could have won the championship.
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  You could have made an argument for Cleveland winning.
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  You could have made an argument for Detroit winning.
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  Like they're all fucking astonishing.
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  By the way, to your point, the Knicks won the fucking title.
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  Knicks won the title.
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  Like no, there was no world where people were predicting that.
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  And you know, part of the problem here is that there's a lot of like Monday morning
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  quarterbacking around these things.
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  So for the Knicks, the Knicks example, you and I haven't talked about this and mostly
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  it's because I don't think I can do it without being like off offensive, quite honestly.
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  But the backlash to Becky Hammond and her comments about Jalen Brunson and whatever.
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  So she said, made these comments in 2023 and very famously said, you know, the teams cannot
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  build around a small point guard and win titles.
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  That's, you know, she was speaking actual facts about what we had seen in trends in
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  the league.
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  It was just factual at the time.
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  We had seen it.
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  The backlash has been so extreme that even Knicks players, people are calling on her
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  to apologize.
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  There's been this incredibly misogynistic, sexist response to her as if she's the only
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  person who ever made this critique by this, by the way, is a critique and a conversation
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  that's been being had among NBA circles and in the NBA media for years and years.
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  She was another person who echoed it and was very blunt in her assessment.
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  Now that was made in 2023, you know, who wasn't on the team in 2023 fucking OG fucking cat.
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  Guess what they did.
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  They actually improved the team to make it a winnable roster around Jalen Brunson.
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  She was not wrong.
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  She was wrong in the sense that like, yes, there was pieces to put around him, you know,
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  that could work, but she wasn't wrong that like that iteration of the team was not going
• 17:46
  to win a title with Jason Branson, Jalen Brunson being their best player.
• 17:50
  And so these conversations, the, the, the Monday morning quarterbacking of what teams
• 17:55
  could have, should have, would have done has gotten really out of control in a league that
• 17:59
  to your point, there's new winners every year that we don't necessarily see coming or they're
• 18:05
  great, but we didn't know they were that good.
• 18:07
  Or we, you know, we would have bet the Spurs were going to beat the fucking Knicks.
• 18:10
  They didn't.
• 18:11
  We, this is how the league is.
• 18:13
  We're supposed to like that.
• 18:14
  And also Janice going to the Celtics feels like a move that would have that like from
• 18:21
  10 years ago.
• 18:22
  Yeah.
• 18:23
  It feels right.
• 18:24
  It feels like a little late to the party.
• 18:25
  It feels like it's like, Oh wait, this would have fucking slapped in 2016.
• 18:27
  Oh bro.
• 18:28
  You should have seen this.
• 18:29
  Right.
• 18:30
  Right.
• 18:31
  When Asher Roth fucking released, I love college.
• 18:33
  Like that's what it, like, it really feels like before Trump was elected, this would
• 18:37
  have fucking, Oh dude, Obama would have loved this office, bro.
• 18:42
  That's the vibe.
• 18:43
  The golden age back then.
• 18:44
  Like it makes it sound like I don't like Janice and that's not the case.
• 18:47
  I like Janice.
• 18:48
  Um, and let's, and it makes, I'd love to have them here.
• 18:51
  Absolutely.
• 18:52
  But like you just, I, you know, whatever, if you're going to do it, you're going to
• 18:55
  do it, but you better be really sure.
• 18:58
  It's so wild that Jalen and Jason have done everything they can do to be like, Hey guys,
• 19:03
  we play so fucking well together and play.
• 19:05
  In fact, we play better together every year.
• 19:07
  We've been together.
• 19:08
  I, Jason Tatum's played his entire career with J Jalen Brown.
• 19:11
  They have built around, even with those big contracts, they've been able to build around
• 19:15
  them.
• 19:16
  They aren't going to get a smaller contract with Janice.
• 19:17
  It is.
• 19:18
  I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.
• 19:19
  Like what on what planet does this team now?
• 19:23
  Now hold on Cody.
• 19:24
  And I've said this before, and I should make this clear if you can get Janice with Jalen
• 19:29
  and Jason.
• 19:30
  Yes, of course.
• 19:31
  I would fucking take that.
• 19:32
  I would take that.
• 19:33
  Fantastic.
• 19:35
  That's not what's on the table.
• 19:36
  It sounds like a monstrous team by the way, Tatum and Janice doesn't sound like a bad
• 19:41
  team.
• 19:42
  It just doesn't sound like a better team.
• 19:43
  Exactly.
• 19:44
  It sounds like it could, at best, it could be as good as he already is with Jalen Brown.
• 19:48
  And that's what the question is going to be, Ooh, can this team be as good as it was with
• 19:52
  Jalen Brown?
• 19:53
  And then my question is why the fuck are we trying to find out what kind of game are you
• 19:59
  playing here?
• 20:00
  What are you doing now?
• 20:01
  You have a winning hand and you're kind of fold.
• 20:04
  You're like, yeah, I'll still take three.
• 20:06
  I wouldn't know as much as I, I, I, it's all the surf pants are going to be mad at me for
• 20:11
  saying this, but I love Derek White with all my heart and soul.
• 20:15
  I don't want him gone.
• 20:16
  But if getting rid of, if, if dealing Derek White and Peyton Pritchard and some picks
• 20:21
  somehow got you Janice, you do that.
• 20:24
  You absolutely do that.
• 20:26
  If you have a big three of the Jays and Janice, that's an insane roster.
• 20:30
  But I, that's not going to happen.
• 20:33
  So that's the thing.
• 20:34
  Like a big three.
• 20:35
  Yeah.
• 20:36
  But a big two swapping out one fucking MVP candidate for another one seems goofy.
• 20:41
  It is a little bit, but Hey, listen, whatever, man, it's your team.
• 20:46
  I'm not in charge of it.
• 20:47
  And if I were, I wouldn't be doing this.
• 20:49
  My team's got enough on its plate right now.
• 20:51
  I don't, I don't got to worry about this right now.
• 20:53
  We have like 19 people to sign at the moment and I have, and that, by the way, a lot of
• 20:57
  cap space for the Lakers, a cap space is going to disappear real fucking quick.
• 21:01
  I'm a little worried about what's about to take place.
• 21:03
  Do they have to sign Luca?
• 21:04
  No, they have to sign Austin LeBron.
• 21:07
  They got to bring back Jackson Hayes.
• 21:08
  They got to bring back.
• 21:09
  It's going to be that expensive.
• 21:10
  No, it's just at the end of the day, there's just a lot of numbers that money's going to
• 21:14
  shrink real fast.
• 21:15
  And then they also got to get a quote unquote big center.
• 21:18
  Who knows who that's going to be?
• 21:19
  Is it going to be Lou Dort?
• 21:20
  Is it going to be Mitchell Robinson?
• 21:21
  It's going to be 80.
• 21:22
  It's just, I'd like to see it.
• 21:25
  I'm not going to lie to you.
• 21:26
  I'd like to see it.
• 21:27
  I don't think it's going to happen.
• 21:28
  I really don't.
• 21:29
  I'd like to see it.
• 21:30
  I mean, 80 is also like not the biggest.
• 21:31
  I mean, he's like to see you get a bigger guy if you want.
• 21:34
  I'd like to see.
• 21:35
  Sure.
• 21:36
  All I'm saying.
• 21:37
  I just would like to see it.
• 21:38
  But that's that for headline number one.
• 21:39
  Hey, let's get back over to the world cup for headline number two, because dude, it's
• 21:42
  been amazing.
• 21:43
  Messy.
• 21:44
  Two more goals today.
• 21:45
  Most goals of all time.
• 21:46
  Here's my actual question before we actually get into all the details.
• 21:49
  How much is this going to fuck up Ronaldo for his second game and then trying to score
• 21:53
  hog and it's going to fuck them up completely because who do they got?
• 21:56
  Who do they got again?
• 21:57
  Oh, England.
• 21:58
  Oh, this is going to be tough.
• 21:59
  This will be fun.
• 22:00
  Ronaldo is going to go home.
• 22:01
  I love it.
• 22:02
  I am.
• 22:03
  I'm a big.
• 22:04
  I'm a big England fan because of a couple of players on the team.
• 22:08
  I don't care about the like I can't get invested for some reason in the Ronaldo being bad things.
• 22:15
  I was like, yeah, no, I already knew that.
• 22:16
  I'm just having fun.
• 22:17
  But we are going to talk about it later because I do want to bring that conversation up back
• 22:21
  at a later date regarding the whole like messy Ronaldo thing and the goat conversation and
• 22:25
  how it got here.
• 22:26
  However, Lionel Messi, absolutely crushing.
• 22:31
  Obviously we we are in a weird space with discussing the Team USA because you can you're
• 22:38
  not allowed to be excited about Team Team USA right now.
• 22:41
  There's a whole thing where, you know, Tim Tom, Tim, I did it again.
• 22:44
  Tim Howard.
• 22:45
  Yes.
• 22:46
  He threw some cold water over it.
• 22:47
  I believe he said his direct quote was literally impossible.
• 22:52
  They said literally impossible that the Team USA could win the World Cup.
• 22:56
  My discussion in it when I was discussing it on threads was, is it literally impossible?
• 23:00
  No, nothing is literally impossible.
• 23:02
  Of course.
• 23:03
  Yes.
• 23:04
  That is a long shot of all long shots currently right now where what I have seen from them
• 23:08
  is the best I've seen from them since I've been watching men's soccer in the 90s.
• 23:12
  It is the best two game stretch in a tournament I've ever seen from this team.
• 23:17
  And also, yes, this competition, the competition has not been England and Germany, right?
• 23:21
  So okay.
• 23:22
  But I do see because I understand the game, how that team could at their best hold their
• 23:27
  own against the best teams in the world.
• 23:30
  It's always about matchups.
• 23:31
  It's always about how you get to get to the next round, what kind of luck you might get
• 23:36
  and how you match up with the team.
• 23:38
  And I expect this team and I'll say this, and this is not something I would have said
• 23:42
  two weeks ago.
• 23:43
  I think USA should absolutely has no excuses at this point to not win their first knockout
• 23:49
  game.
• 23:50
  They need to make it past their first knockout game to not be a disappointment for me based
• 23:53
  on what I have seen now.
• 23:55
  Of course, I don't expect them to win the World Cup, but I got to be honest, if you
• 24:00
  look back at 2004, the 2004 Euros, this was like a heyday of like some of the greatest
• 24:05
  soccer stars in the world.
• 24:06
  All the people we grew up knowing were massive soccer stars were all like these huge stars
• 24:12
  in Europe at the time.
• 24:13
  So it's the Euros and these rosters were stacked.
• 24:18
  England was stacked.
• 24:19
  Germany was stacked.
• 24:20
  You know, they had Belgium and the Netherlands and Spain and Portugal.
• 24:23
  All these teams were stacked.
• 24:27
  The Greek, Greece won the Euros that year.
• 24:30
  Greece was a team full of Greek people no one had heard of.
• 24:33
  They won the Euros.
• 24:34
  They got a little lucky, right?
• 24:36
  England gets knocked out by, I think it was like Portugal or somebody because David Beckham
• 24:41
  misses his first penalty kick, which doesn't happen.
• 24:43
  David Beckham doesn't miss penalty kicks.
• 24:45
  These are the little tiny things that happen where it's like, then you get to your, you
• 24:49
  get to your, you know, the final, the Greece is there and suddenly this team that had no
• 24:54
  fucking chance to win against that stacked of a field has won the tournament.
• 25:01
  Do I think that's going to happen for the United States?
• 25:03
  No, but I think reducing the conversation to this is all they can do and then when you
• 25:09
  try to be optimistic and talk really tactically about what they're capable of and people are
• 25:13
  like, let's just slow it down.
• 25:15
  Hold your horses.
• 25:16
  It's very frustrating because it's like, there is an actual conversation to be had here about
• 25:21
  what it would take.
• 25:22
  There aren't a ton of, oh my God, world beaters in this cup right now.
• 25:27
  There aren't teams that I am wildly afraid of in, you know, across the board.
• 25:33
  There's a hand, like maybe three teams that I'm like genuinely afraid of.
• 25:37
  They don't meet those three teams on the way to the fucking, you know, semifinals.
• 25:42
  Do I expect it?
• 25:43
  No.
• 25:44
  Are we allowed to like talk about what their, what their peak could be while also not expecting
• 25:48
  it?
• 25:49
  I, as a, as a fan, I'm capable of that.
• 25:50
  A lot of people on the internet seem to think you have to be as negative as humanly possible
• 25:54
  before you can get excited about the potential of a team you're watching.
• 25:58
  Okay.
• 26:00
  That's weird and stupid.
• 26:01
  Well, it's like every, every time I'm like, that was an incredible performance.
• 26:04
  This is, here's what I liked about it.
• 26:05
  Some, you know, loser who's like, or 10 of them quite honestly, who's like, I simply
• 26:10
  just don't think that we need to be getting this excited about a win over, um, Australia.
• 26:15
  And it's like, okay, well, two world cup matches in a row.
• 26:17
  Yeah.
• 26:18
  Well, you should absolutely get excited about that.
• 26:19
  Listen, don't worry about fucking losers on the internet when it comes to sports.
• 26:22
  Well, it's also apparently Tim Howard.
• 26:23
  Tim Howard being a dumber.
• 26:24
  No, I'm just kidding.
• 26:25
  I'm just kidding.
• 26:26
  I did.
• 26:27
  Cause the rest of his thing, he goes through the whole thing.
• 26:28
  Cause he would actually show some X, but his thing was all like tamper your expectations.
• 26:31
  Now do I think the literally no, uh, literally impossible statement is a bit over the top.
• 26:37
  Absolutely.
• 26:38
  Sure.
• 26:39
  However, but he did go into a little bit of detail of when he was talking about, like,
• 26:40
  listen, like be excited.
• 26:43
  But also you have, they have to play four perfect games in a row against the greatest
• 26:47
  players currently.
• 26:48
  Like he doesn't see that happening and I got a little bit fucking neither do I.
• 26:52
  However, how great would that be?
• 26:54
  Fuck yeah.
• 26:55
  That'd be great.
• 26:56
  But I'm with you on getting past the first knockout round stage.
• 26:58
  And that also means listen, whether you like it or not, whether you think it's not the
• 27:03
  right thing to do or not.
• 27:04
  Yeah.
• 27:05
  I think the, if you want to give some politics, some minutes, if he's healthy enough to do
• 27:08
  it, just to get his rhythm going.
• 27:09
  Absolutely.
• 27:10
  If we need to protect other people from yellow cards, you fucking do it.
• 27:14
  Gotta protect the player from themselves sometimes because we need this team as healthy as humanly
• 27:18
  possible going into the knockout round sip period stop.
• 27:21
  This is the most excited a team USA has ever been, at least in my lifetime, like, so like
• 27:27
  this is bad-ass.
• 27:28
  I'm really enjoying this.
• 27:29
  Now, when they're knocked out, I'm hopefully going to keep that a world cup fever going
• 27:33
  because I do know the inevitable is likely that they get knocked out, but they got me
• 27:37
  believing they got slopped on saying that it's possible.
• 27:40
  That alone's got me fucking going.
• 27:41
  Now of course, fucking Lexi Lawson be next to him, pour some cold water or some shit,
• 27:45
  but listen, they'll just make fun of the Lexi Lawson again.
• 27:48
  And by the way, I'm loving how much Lexi Lawson is just, it seems like everyone, whether no
• 27:52
  matter what side of the aisle you're on, no matter what you believe in, no matter who
• 27:55
  is your God, everyone agrees that Alexi Lawless fucking sucks.
• 28:00
  And it's great.
• 28:01
  And the difference it's, I mean, he's a perfect example of the difference between the difference
• 28:05
  between Alexi Lawless and Tim Howard is that like Tim Howard gave, he loves team USA so
• 28:12
  much.
• 28:13
  He said that playing for team USA, he was like, that is the dream.
• 28:16
  No matter who I played for English premier league, Everton, no matter how incredible
• 28:19
  my career was putting on that Jersey and playing for the United States was the pinnacle
• 28:25
  of my career.
• 28:26
  And every single game I played in for United States was so important to me.
• 28:32
  That was the most important thing to me as a player.
• 28:35
  And the biggest honor, it means a lot to him to root for the United States team.
• 28:40
  And it, when you know how it feels when you're so invested and when it means when it's so
• 28:43
  personal, you almost can't hope like, I think for him, he's like, I need to stay as grounded
• 28:48
  as possible because the idea that this team could rise to that level.
• 28:52
  And for this team, by the way, this is the team that Tim built.
• 28:56
  Tim Howard is the most important player in the history of the U S men's national team.
• 29:00
  And it's the second place is far away.
• 29:03
  It's far away.
• 29:04
  So I understand the stakes for him in becoming invested in, in believing in this team and
• 29:10
  how, you know, somewhat nerve wracking it is to say, Holy shit, you know team, team,
• 29:18
  Tim Howard is as, as important to any national team as any player we've had.
• 29:24
  And you know, I understand that part, as far as the rest of the field right now, I would
• 29:31
  say that Cabo Verde is the sweetheart, especially after the, after this weekend, everybody is
• 29:41
  like really on board.
• 29:43
  I love a sweetheart team.
• 29:44
  I love a team that has, has been able to kind of come out of the shadows in their first
• 29:49
  cup.
• 29:50
  And this is a tiny Island nation that has actually a lot of representation in the Northeast
• 29:54
  size.
• 29:55
  Yeah.
• 29:56
  Immigrants living in the Northeast specifically in like the Boston and New York areas.
• 30:02
  And it's been sensational goaltender.
• 30:05
  Absolutely.
• 30:06
  Like we can't get, we, Virginia's story is amazing.
• 30:09
  His mom was at the game.
• 30:10
  Did you know?
• 30:11
  I did not know.
• 30:12
  And he was able to finally afford the visa after he has like 90,000, 90 million Instagram
• 30:16
  followers.
• 30:17
  It's crazy.
• 30:18
  Do we actually know what the number is actually at when he started at 40,000?
• 30:19
  He started at 45,000 and I, the last I had checked, it was like 12 million last night.
• 30:24
  Last I checked it was, it was close to 16.
• 30:25
  I think.
• 30:26
  Yeah.
• 30:27
  Something like that.
• 30:28
  So guys never have to pay for the rest of his life.
• 30:30
  Those are like, that's, that to me, they are the sweethearts of the tournament.
• 30:35
  Cote d'Ivoire has been fun to watch, but it seems like they, they're kind of getting a
• 30:39
  rough draw.
• 30:41
  Any other teams that have stuck out to you where you've just been like, I've really enjoyed
• 30:44
  watching that specific team.
• 30:46
  Morocco.
• 30:47
  I enjoyed watching them.
• 30:49
  But that's not the same.
• 30:50
  You know who I feel really bad for and God forgive me, it's something in my mind right
• 30:54
  now.
• 30:55
  They're in a tough, tough, tough bracket.
• 30:56
  Tunisia?
• 30:57
  Not Tunisia.
• 30:58
  Didn't they fire their head coach and their manager in the first year of the first game?
• 31:04
  Yeah.
• 31:05
  No, not Tunisia.
• 31:06
  No.
• 31:07
  It'll come to me.
• 31:08
  It'll come.
• 31:09
  I was just seeing the absolutely terrifying memes of Erling Holland, Holland, where he's
• 31:14
  like, I mean, he's that huge, well aware of who he is.
• 31:19
  He is terrifying.
• 31:20
  Especially when he's running after people.
• 31:21
  Yes.
• 31:22
  That's all the memes.
• 31:23
  Oh yeah.
• 31:24
  Really good.
• 31:25
  Horrifying.
• 31:26
  Yeah.
• 31:27
  He's been, he's been really fun.
• 31:28
  If you think of the team, of course, let me know because this is a team that has a shot
• 31:31
  of losing all three of their games.
• 31:35
  Iran draw with Belgium is a big deal.
• 31:36
  Oh yeah.
• 31:38
  Belgium's kind of struggling right now, which is interesting.
• 31:40
  I didn't necessarily expect that.
• 31:44
  And Netherlands trumping Sweden.
• 31:45
  I didn't see either.
• 31:46
  So those are a couple of surprising results.
• 31:50
  Once you've figured out whatever team it is, we're going to, you can just pop.
• 31:53
  I believe they're actually even playing today.
• 31:55
  Yep.
• 31:56
  Senegal.
• 31:57
  I feel bad for Senegal.
• 31:58
  Yeah.
• 31:59
  Cause by the way, Senegal is very good in Senegal and they might get blanked this entire
• 32:03
  thing.
• 32:04
  It's so frustrating because they are really good.
• 32:05
  They are an incredible team.
• 32:07
  They're speaking in Norway.
• 32:08
  They're playing Norway today.
• 32:09
  And that's a tough, by the way, that's the closest odds of any matchup today.
• 32:12
  Cause everyone else is pretty much a pretty heavy favorite on the other end.
• 32:15
  This Senegal can go, Oh, and three, it shouldn't be owned three.
• 32:19
  And that's the thing is if you had told me like pick a team out of, out of Africa that
• 32:23
  you think, of course it would be Senegal, but it has been really tough.
• 32:28
  As far as just looking ahead for the United States men's national team, Finn Balagoon
• 32:34
  wants to score and he does not want to rest versus Turkey because he wants to stay in
• 32:38
  the golden boot contention.
• 32:39
  Yeah, that's great.
• 32:40
  He can get a yellow card.
• 32:41
  He should come out.
• 32:42
  That's.
• 32:43
  And here's the thing is like, I completely understand.
• 32:46
  Every player wants to play.
• 32:47
  They really do.
• 32:48
  And I think maybe Christian Pulisic is fine with not playing, but like, you know, that
• 32:51
  is, I completely understand that part of it.
• 32:55
  They with the United States, not needing him.
• 32:59
  It's here's the, I'm going to tell you why this is a harder decision than not to just
• 33:04
  like pull him.
• 33:06
  There has not been a, these, this team as constituted, despite how they look, have not
• 33:10
  played a ton of minutes together.
• 33:13
  In the last game where they started Pepe and Balagoon instead of Pulisic, that was a pairing
• 33:20
  that has worked really, really well in the 187 minutes that they'd played together prior
• 33:24
  to that start.
• 33:26
  This is a team that really needs to understand exactly how to use the best offensive weapon
• 33:32
  that they have against any team that they, that they might run up on and sacrificing
• 33:38
  the opportunity to work on your tactics against a team like Turkey, which by the way, you
• 33:43
  never know any given any given world cup game.
• 33:45
  So you want to take your opponent seriously.
• 33:49
  This you know, this is not just, Oh, we are a well-oiled machine.
• 33:54
  This is not Argentina.
• 33:55
  This is not Spain.
• 33:56
  This is a team that needs reps that needs to know exactly what they need to do on the
• 34:01
  flip side, injuries cards.
• 34:04
  You are not wrong.
• 34:05
  There is a very like, so do they go out?
• 34:08
  Does he let these guys play the first 20 minutes to start doing early subs?
• 34:12
  What is, there's a lot of decision-making here.
• 34:15
  I don't love the idea of Finn sitting out completely early exit and hopefully Pulisic
• 34:21
  can get in there and also get some reps as well.
• 34:24
  Maybe it's just that type of game of which I'd be more than fine with that being said,
• 34:28
  I am, I'm going to obviously defer to experts when it comes to this and probably supporting
• 34:33
  a decision.
• 34:34
  But I got to say, if you lose Bella goon in a knockout round, you're going to wonder what
• 34:38
  the fuck you gave so much a shit about Turkey about.
• 34:40
  Yeah.
• 34:41
  I mean, but that's, that's what you can say in every tournament.
• 34:44
  You're not wrong.
• 34:45
  Like, I mean, we, we, sometimes we talk about, about that in seven game series, right?
• 34:49
  Here, Bella goons even acknowledging himself, like he, he gave out his quotes, fully aware
• 34:53
  of the situation and fully aware that he wants to play, but aware of the situation he's in
• 34:58
  that he could be out for a knockout round, which is not good.
• 35:02
  Not good, Bob.
• 35:03
  Not great.
• 35:04
  It really all like, you know, you and I would have a much better idea of what they should
• 35:07
  do if we could sit in their locker room.
• 35:09
  Right.
• 35:10
  And understand because like part of it is, okay, if you don't start Bella goon, if you
• 35:14
  don't start Pulisic who is, might've not started anyway, purely because of his calf or whatever
• 35:19
  it might be, what is this a team where the, where the, the players who go in instead are
• 35:26
  really fucking hungry and to rise to the occasion and can replicate the tactics that they want
• 35:32
  to be able to use moving forward.
• 35:33
  Does he have to do an entirely different formation because of the players he's putting in?
• 35:38
  The good thing is that if you don't put in Bella goon, you can put in G arena and you
• 35:43
  can put in some of these other people to, to do a different type of formation without
• 35:48
  like that, that really speedy, strong striker.
• 35:52
  But it is a, now you're like, okay, did we get away from the thing?
• 35:55
  I, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world because Pacino has already proven that
• 35:59
  he's okay with switching up formations and changing things up mid game, let alone match
• 36:05
  up to match up.
• 36:06
  So excited to see what they decide to do.
• 36:08
  Interested to see what they decide to do.
• 36:10
  I more than anyone, anything I would, I love that this dude is already thinking in some
• 36:15
  way, shape.
• 36:16
  I mean, I don't think he's thinking about golden boot, but he didn't say he was, but
• 36:19
  I think we all know that's what he's thinking about.
• 36:21
  And he even said, I want to score.
• 36:23
  He didn't specifically say the word, but like, but you know what he means?
• 36:26
  And you know what?
• 36:27
  Good for him because that means he intends to be in this, in this tournament for as long
• 36:30
  as humanly possible.
• 36:31
  And I love that.
• 36:32
  Absolutely.
• 36:33
  The one more, the one story I want to hit on, which is a little bit more in our wheelhouse
• 36:37
  in terms of, or not in a row, it's a, it's very much an Arvin diagram of sports and politics
• 36:41
  is Jackson Irvine from the soccer ruse of Australia.
• 36:46
  Speaking about the new rule where you are red carded for covering your mouth while talking
• 36:51
  to another player.
• 36:52
  Yes.
• 36:53
  And this was born out of a racist abuse that was suffered by Vinicius jr.
• 36:59
  You and I covered that on the podcast at the time when Kate Scott made her Kate Abdo made
• 37:04
  her entire speech about this.
• 37:07
  And it was covered very heavily.
• 37:09
  It was a lightning rod topic, just like anytime a black player comes out and says, I've experienced
• 37:14
  racial abuse.
• 37:15
  Of course, there are all the people who say, we don't know what happened.
• 37:19
  His teammate Mbappé came to his defense.
• 37:23
  There are, we're talking about two of the most important, most notable soccer players
• 37:28
  in the world, footballers in the world saying this happened.
• 37:33
  I heard it.
• 37:34
  I saw it.
• 37:35
  And this happened.
• 37:36
  Clearly someone believed them because this is now in the, in the mainstream.
• 37:38
  Now, if you don't aren't familiar with Jackson Irvine, who is not the biggest star in the
• 37:42
  world, but does play in Bundesliga, he's woke.
• 37:47
  I don't know how else to put it.
• 37:49
  There's no other way for, we don't have language for what this guy is, but he has point blank
• 37:53
  come out and said that he supports Palestine and the people of Gaza.
• 37:58
  No, no two hasn't, hasn't parsed his language.
• 38:01
  He has talked about why, when he was asked why he supports the people, why he spoke out
• 38:08
  about it, he said, because I support the people of Palestine and Gaza not being genocided
• 38:15
  out of existence.
• 38:17
  He didn't parse his words.
• 38:18
  He didn't like, he was like, why, why wouldn't I?
• 38:21
  Even his club was like, who are by and large, pretty allowing of their players to say things
• 38:25
  like this at the time was like, you sure you want to know that?
• 38:27
  And he was like, fucking trade me, dude.
• 38:29
  I don't care.
• 38:30
  I'm not, you know, he has stood, he has stood 10 toes down on trans rights and the rights
• 38:35
  of trans women to compete in sports.
• 38:38
  This is not a regular ass dude.
• 38:40
  This dude, as a, I always talk to you about every time, occasionally we get a superstar,
• 38:46
  whether or not an international star, in this case, somebody who's willing to stand
• 38:52
  on business.
• 38:53
  We've talked about this with Abdul Carter.
• 38:54
  There are very few athletes doing this.
• 38:56
  There's almost no white athletes doing this.
• 38:58
  And for him to, in his answer regarding this red card situation, say, considering what
• 39:03
  happened to Vinicius Jr., like what happened to Vinny was, you know, this, that he brought
• 39:08
  it directly into it.
• 39:09
  He wasn't asked about it.
• 39:10
  He named him and he, and he supported him in that moment and also said, if you don't,
• 39:14
  if you're saying something that where you need to cover your mouth, you probably shouldn't
• 39:17
  be saying it.
• 39:18
  Red card.
• 39:19
  That is what it is.
• 39:20
  I think that this is the exact example that I've been talking about forever about what
• 39:26
  it looks like to, to stand on your principles, to stand up and then to watch how you're received
• 39:33
  as a white person versus a black person, because this guy has been received very well, still
• 39:38
  has his Bundesliga job, still has his national team job.
• 39:42
  And he's, you know, said all of these things and he's never backed down.
• 39:47
  Black players don't always have that same opportunity.
• 39:50
  And when they do keep their jobs, they are, are ripped apart in the media like Vinny was.
• 39:57
  This shit is so important.
• 39:59
  And we don't have anybody in the United States, no professional athletes of his caliber talking
• 40:04
  like that here.
• 40:06
  And I just wanted to shout out the fact that like, this didn't actually have to be said.
• 40:09
  He didn't actually have to bring up the racist abuse and the Vinny of it all.
• 40:13
  And he did.
• 40:14
  Well, it gives full context to the actual conversation.
• 40:17
  And he also gives context to the reporters that are there that already know the story.
• 40:21
  But for people of a mass audience that might not know the story, because the Venetian,
• 40:24
  the Venetian junior story was not exactly not big news here.
• 40:28
  Wide news here.
• 40:29
  It was huge news elsewhere.
• 40:31
  Yes.
• 40:32
  It was on our, our radar.
• 40:33
  Well, because we rule.
• 40:34
  Yeah.
• 40:35
  But at the end of the day, we're not missing a big story in that space.
• 40:39
  But yeah, this is what it fucking is.
• 40:41
  So yeah, yeah.
• 40:42
  I'm glad he said it.
• 40:43
  And it was.
• 40:44
  Yeah.
• 40:45
  And this is like, this is the kind of stuff where it's like, we're talking about the world
• 40:46
  stage as well.
• 40:47
  You know that we these are these are times where goalkeepers are getting millions of
• 40:51
  Instagram followers in a couple of hours.
• 40:53
  People are watching these clips there.
• 40:56
  I really don't think I remember a bigger stage.
• 40:59
  Like I feel like this is bigger than the Olympics in some ways.
• 41:02
  Like this is fucking nuts.
• 41:03
  It is bigger than the Olympics.
• 41:04
  So I mean, like, especially because we just experienced the Winter Olympics, which is
• 41:08
  always a little bit slower than the Summer Olympics.
• 41:10
  No one gives a shit.
• 41:11
  Yeah, right.
• 41:12
  So that's I think that's all we had for Soccer Day.
• 41:15
  We're going to get into some fun, looser stuff over in Media Corner.
• 41:19
  Prove it.
• 41:21
  This is this is a big one for me, and
• 41:25
  I want to talk about kind of what it means and what it signals for women in sports.
• 41:30
  Sports TV trailblazer Linda Cohn is retiring from ESPN after her record setting
• 41:35
  career.
• 41:36
  She anchored SportsCenter, more SportsCenter episodes than anyone in ESPN's history,
• 41:42
  and will retire at the end of June.
• 41:44
  She will make her final appearance on SportsCenter on Friday.
• 41:47
  She hosted her first SportsCenter July 11th, 1992, the 2 a.m.
• 41:53
  edition. Her five thousandth appearance was in 2016,
• 41:59
  which is crazy. That was already 10 years ago.
• 42:01
  And she's obviously a Hall of Fame sports media member.
• 42:05
  She, you know, for me was in my age bracket, I was a little young for Robin Roberts.
• 42:12
  So by the time I was watching SportsCenter in like the early 2000s,
• 42:18
  Linda Cohn, big deal for me.
• 42:22
  She said, what I'm most proud of is that my career lasted long enough for me to see
• 42:26
  the little girls grow up watching SportsCenter, enter this business and succeed in it.
• 42:31
  If my journey helps make that path a little easier for them, then that's the achievement
• 42:34
  I'll cherish most. Of course, I am one of those girls.
• 42:38
  A hundred percent. I am. Absolutely. There are a few people who like,
• 42:43
  you don't even always know what's happening, right?
• 42:44
  Like I'm sure you have people like this in your life where you're like,
• 42:46
  you don't sit there and think always out loud,
• 42:49
  I'm going to be Linda Cohn or I'm going to do this because Linda Cohn was on TV.
• 42:52
  There are a couple of people who absolutely made it clear to me that that was a possibility
• 42:57
  or something. This was a career path I could achieve.
• 43:00
  She's one of them. Jackie McMullin's one of them.
• 43:02
  And I, number one, just want to like,
• 43:07
  I think it's important that like when, when we talk about this, we look at like,
• 43:10
  okay, what's the, what's the media landscape that they have trailblazed us to?
• 43:16
  And we are in a space where like,
• 43:20
  there are far more SportsCenter anchors or people on TV who are hosting these kinds of,
• 43:25
  we have woman analysts now like Mina Kimes and,
• 43:29
  and Laura Rutledge and people who do that work.
• 43:32
  We have obviously the sideline has become a much more broad job than just like,
• 43:38
  you know, regurgitating a couple of quotes.
• 43:40
  There's, they're much more involved.
• 43:42
  And we also now have women's sports in a huge space of,
• 43:47
  of real attention that we didn't have before.
• 43:51
  And so there are a lot of women covering those leagues.
• 43:53
  We have Doris Burke calling games.
• 43:55
  We have Julie Fowdy calling games.
• 43:57
  And we have women who are actually in the broadcast booth calling games.
• 44:01
  We've seen it in baseball.
• 44:02
  We've seen it in every single, this is a,
• 44:04
  that, that is something that I never would have envisioned when I was a kid.
• 44:08
  However, I also think that there's a way that we are sort of
• 44:13
  backsliding in terms of women in men's sports and the progress.
• 44:22
  I think we have stalled out.
• 44:24
  And I think when I saw that Linda Cohn was retiring,
• 44:29
  it was like, damn, she got us so far.
• 44:33
  These women got us so far.
• 44:34
  We did so much with the opportunities that were given in front of us by these
• 44:37
  trailblazing women, but we have, this industry has stalled us the fuck out.
• 44:43
  We are not regressing, but we are not progressing.
• 44:47
  Okay.
• 44:48
  And I, I can see that in certain networks.
• 44:50
  I can see that the opposite in other networks.
• 44:52
  But you, I, I would honestly make the, I wouldn't say the argument.
• 44:56
  I just think this whole industry is regressing,
• 44:59
  let alone just for women in sports.
• 45:01
  Stalled out.
• 45:02
  But like that, I think, I think the industry has been eating itself and
• 45:05
  now there's just less and less actual voices in television and radio in general.
• 45:10
  We've just seen, there's technically more than ever, but
• 45:13
  they're just not as high profile, but they're not nearly as high profile.
• 45:15
  They're not, I'm talking more in the legacy, I'm talking more of the legacy gigs.
• 45:19
  I would say absolutely because of privately funded things and
• 45:21
  people on their own, 100% there's no access in there, but there's also more noise.
• 45:26
  And that's not a fucking good thing.
• 45:27
  That is honestly a dog shit thing.
• 45:29
  It makes it impossible to get information.
• 45:31
  And now we've just created an echo chamber.
• 45:33
  Now this industry has become the echo chamber that social media is, and
• 45:37
  that is not what this fucking industry is.
• 45:39
  So I'd make the argument, yeah, there's more places, quote unquote, but
• 45:42
  it's not better.
• 45:43
  I'd honestly say it's not even remotely better.
• 45:45
  It's ten times worse than it ever was.
• 45:47
  When you think about like, so you, we grew up with, with like, okay,
• 45:51
  we know that there were these like mainstay women when we were younger.
• 45:56
  Are we in a place now where there are more mainstay women?
• 45:59
  I want to say yes, but I don't know that answer for
• 46:03
  sure because I don't have the numbers in front of me.
• 46:05
  I'll use ESPN as a specific example, you know, the Sunday women's sports thing.
• 46:10
  There are some stars that they've really kind of built on the college women's side
• 46:13
  and just the women's side in general.
• 46:15
  I'm talking about men's sports and I specifically said men's sports because
• 46:18
  women's sports are using women.
• 46:19
  Yes, and I think they're doing a phenomenal job and creating stars out of it.
• 46:23
  Now I'm hoping there's going to be more crossing.
• 46:24
  What I think has happened is they've started saying the women can cover the women's
• 46:27
  sports.
• 46:28
  Yeah, I don't want that.
• 46:29
  See, I think there can be crossover.
• 46:30
  Because think about it.
• 46:31
  Like we've got one real, like one real woman's like NFL analyst.
• 46:37
  You're not wrong.
• 46:38
  We can talk about, right?
• 46:39
  Yes.
• 46:40
  We've got, who's the, who's the women's NBA analyst?
• 46:43
  You know, Monica, Monica McNutt has done stuff.
• 46:45
  Monica McNutt for sure.
• 46:46
  She's doing quite a bit.
• 46:47
  She's a big one.
• 46:48
  I mean, there's a few others that do, I mean, few ex WNBA stars that you can definitely
• 46:54
  see in those, in the panel specifically, but you're absolutely right.
• 46:57
  Not enough of them.
• 46:58
  Well, and I guess this is my point is that you'll see in a group with them as well, but
• 47:01
  like occasionally, right?
• 47:02
  Not enough.
• 47:03
  And that's the thing is like, we are, we can still name on two hands, the women who are
• 47:09
  really standing out to us who are covering men's sports.
• 47:12
  I, that's about the same as it was 25 years ago.
• 47:17
  You're not wrong.
• 47:18
  I suppose I just, it's just counting blinded to it because of how many women I am actually
• 47:21
  seeing because women's sports are women on the, like you've, I mean, you've had multiple
• 47:24
  women.
• 47:25
  So maybe I'm, I might be a little blinded to this a little bit more than others are.
• 47:28
  Yeah.
• 47:29
  And I think, and I think that there's like a, um, there's also a regression, which is
• 47:33
  very clear.
• 47:34
  There's a regression just in the reception around women in sports.
• 47:36
  I have seen it.
• 47:37
  I came into the industry in 2010 and of course there was always a very specific vibe of like,
• 47:43
  you were always going to get the, go make a sandwich.
• 47:45
  People go to the kitchen, right?
• 47:47
  But like the, uh, the, the conversation around it has gotten so toxic for men and women.
• 47:53
  So you know, you and I, we probably experienced, uh, pretty similar levels of toxicity on the
• 47:59
  internet.
• 48:00
  Obviously you're getting, you know, you're not getting sexism.
• 48:02
  I'm getting, you're getting more like, uh, you know, other stuff, but we're both dealing
• 48:07
  with a similar level of toxicity minds, a lot more sexist and massages.
• 48:11
  The difference is that when to, when, you know, when you and I are getting that kind
• 48:16
  of that, that same level of toxicity across league wide, or I guess like on the macro
• 48:22
  level, it's going to hurt me more because of the fact that I'm already technically marginalized
• 48:27
  in sports media.
• 48:28
  Right.
• 48:29
  So like if I am, if I'm getting that much toxicity and I'm bringing that much attention
• 48:34
  to myself, what are networks going to look at?
• 48:37
  What are, what are directors going to look at?
• 48:39
  What are, you know, network owners and all these presidents there, Oh, you're always
• 48:43
  going to get a better bet, a bigger benefit of doubt than I am.
• 48:46
  That is purely misogyny.
• 48:47
  We've seen it and it'll continue.
• 48:50
  And that means we have not made the progress that we need to make.
• 48:52
  And I, um, and I think about, you know, what the best way to honor the legacy of these
• 48:59
  people would be the Robin Roberts, the Jack, the Linda cones, the Jackie max, the Leslie's
• 49:03
  to all of them is in some way, shape or form to be allowed to do what the men do, how the
• 49:10
  men do it in our own way and in our own space and in the ways that are unique to women and
• 49:16
  not having to mimic how men behave.
• 49:18
  And we have not arrived there and we're really not close.
• 49:22
  And um, you know, my mission is that in 20 years I'm looking back and seeing women not
• 49:27
  get punished for the things that I'm getting punished for now.
• 49:30
  Um, and you know, uh, that's, that's kind of, it's, it's, it's bittersweet.
• 49:37
  It's bittersweet to know we made the progress.
• 49:40
  And also I think that if it had gone the way it was supposed to go, if people had learned
• 49:45
  the right lessons from someone like Linda Cohn, if they'd learned the right lessons
• 49:49
  from someone like Mina Kimes, if they'd learned the right lessons from someone like Monica
• 49:52
  McNutt, we would, we would be a broader part of the conversation rather than the tokenized
• 49:58
  few.
• 49:59
  Yeah.
• 50:00
  Um, we'll just use an example from earlier on in the show when we're talking about Becky
• 50:03
  Hammond and her comments towards Jalen Brunson.
• 50:05
  You know who else said that about Jalen Brunson?
• 50:07
  Fucking everyone.
• 50:08
  Yeah.
• 50:09
  We're vilifying Becky Hammond for some fucking reason.
• 50:12
  And I believe I saw Stephen, a switch go on a fucking stage with some of the Knicks yesterday.
• 50:17
  So everyone can just fuck right off.
• 50:19
  I'm sorry.
• 50:20
  You don't like women.
• 50:21
  They're probably smarter than you and better than you at fucking everything.
• 50:23
  Probably beat your ass in an arm wrestling competition too.
• 50:25
  Yeah.
• 50:26
  I want to, did you see my rant about that this weekend?
• 50:28
  Oh, I went on a rant about that.
• 50:30
  I was like, I'm like, you guys have got to get over the fact that like when, like the,
• 50:36
  the need to dehumanize a woman who's smarter than you, what, because you like, you know,
• 50:42
  it's like, okay, I can't fuck them and I can't beat them in a debate and now they need to
• 50:45
  be put in their place.
• 50:46
  Cause those things bother me.
• 50:47
  I can't like you say what you want to say to me, cause I can always handle it.
• 50:51
  I absolutely have all the ability to handle that.
• 50:53
  But like you have like wives, mothers, daughters, friends, like you gotta get a grip on your
• 50:59
  ability to, to recognize this woman is really smart.
• 51:02
  I can learn from her, from her.
• 51:03
  I really enjoy the, what work she's doing and it's okay that I'm attracted to her and
• 51:07
  also can't do anything about it.
• 51:09
  You have to learn to be okay with that.
• 51:11
  Like we've got to get to a place where you're okay with that because that is at the, it's
• 51:14
  at, it's at the core of so much of the misogyny that I experienced, which is it, they immediately
• 51:19
  go to go back to the strip joint, go back to your only fans.
• 51:24
  Don't be such a fucking whore.
• 51:26
  Why are you naked on the internet?
• 51:27
  And it's always like you're going to very sexualized industries because your first thought
• 51:32
  is why is she attractive and smarter than me?
• 51:35
  And that's like that, that is that instills a fucking anger and fear and rage in them.
• 51:41
  And that's simply so deeply not my fucking problem.
• 51:45
  And if you're making it my problem, you're making it the women in your life's problem.
• 51:49
  And that freaks me out.
• 51:50
  It really does get a grip.
• 51:53
  I'm well aware that little bitch bullies exist.
• 51:57
  Whatever happened to admiring someone from afar and enjoying that, admire me from afar.
• 52:01
  I'm fine with that.
• 52:02
  I never told you not to, I put my knees out on the internet, all the goddamn time for
• 52:06
  your pleasure.
• 52:07
  That is, I'm doing that for you people.
• 52:09
  Take it, take it, enjoy it.
• 52:11
  Don't tell me to take it.
• 52:12
  Those guys don't like it when you tell them to take it.
• 52:17
  That's just, they're just a bunch of little bitch boys.
• 52:18
  It's just what it is.
• 52:19
  What are you going to do?
• 52:20
  Speaking of bitch boys, Skip Bayless was talking.
• 52:23
  Skip Bayless was talking.
• 52:25
  This one fucking kills me.
• 52:26
  This is this.
• 52:27
  So this is peak brain rot.
• 52:28
  This is exactly what you were talking about, where we have gotten to the point where it's
• 52:33
  just an echo chamber of the stupidest takes on the internet have become what mainstream
• 52:37
  famous sports media people are saying.
• 52:40
  Skip Bayless.
• 52:41
  Okay.
• 52:42
  Okay.
• 52:43
  So Skip Bayless tweeted, commenter just ruined the moment by comparing Messi with Michael
• 52:50
  Jordan and LeBron.
• 52:52
  So naive.
• 52:53
  So wrong.
• 52:54
  So blasphemous.
• 52:55
  MJ.
• 52:56
  Yes.
• 52:57
  LBJ.
• 52:58
  No.
• 52:59
  Now we know that this is Skip Bayless's move.
• 53:03
  We know what he's doing here.
• 53:05
  Obviously this is of course rage bait.
• 53:08
  That does not change the fact that he does not have the shame or embarrassment to not
• 53:12
  tweet something like this.
• 53:14
  And here's what I want to know.
• 53:18
  At what point do we just put him in a home?
• 53:23
  Well, put him and Steven in a home together so they can live out their best Grace and
• 53:26
  Frankie life.
• 53:28
  But at what point do we acknowledge that LeBron lives rent free in the heads of these sports
• 53:36
  media talking heads more than anyone I've ever seen?
• 53:39
  How did LeBron end up with catching a stray when the most obvious comparison for someone
• 53:47
  like Messi is absolutely LeBron based on the fact that they are the same fucking age
• 53:53
  have been playing at the same time and have longevity in their favor.
• 53:57
  And that's the whole point of the God damn like comparison.
• 54:03
  That's the whole point of the comparison.
• 54:04
  We're not talking about titles because you want to know what's really fucking fascinating
• 54:08
  about Messi.
• 54:09
  He only became a really elite international player in the last handful of years.
• 54:16
  This is a new chapter for him over the last five, six years to be an elite international
• 54:22
  player.
• 54:23
  Of course, he was always elite like and yes, he was great.
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  But like this was he was a club star and he was rocking it in Europe.
• 54:34
  This is evidence of his longevity.
• 54:36
  Who do we associate with longevity in the United States?
• 54:42
  Tom Brady, LeBron, Serena.
• 54:45
  Who are those people?
• 54:47
  Am I like what the fuck are we talking about anymore?
• 54:48
  Why is LeBron always such a trigger issue for people?
• 54:51
  Can someone in the chat tell me if you hate LeBron, can you tell me why it's such a trigger
• 54:54
  when people are compared to LeBron as a goat?
• 54:57
  Like what are you okay?
• 54:59
  Is everything okay at home?
• 55:00
  Like what the fuck is wrong with you people?
• 55:03
  Honestly, this is just brain rot and a guy who literally the only thing that he had in
• 55:08
  his arsenal towards the end of his career was just trying to shit on LeBron.
• 55:12
  You say that, but there will be several people in the chat or our comments who are like,
• 55:16
  he's actually kind of right.
• 55:17
  That was Tonya.
• 55:19
  Those are fucking idiots.
• 55:20
  No, those are our viewers.
• 55:21
  I respect them.
• 55:22
  But those ones that are saying that out loud, come on, they're fucking idiots.
• 55:26
  And they know that I love and respect the love of God.
• 55:30
  Are you guys being idiots on purpose just to trigger?
• 55:32
  Because at the end of the day, if there is a single human being that has anything negative
• 55:37
  to say about LeBron James longevity career path or fucking anything, they're just a fucking
• 55:45
  idiot.
• 55:46
  There is nothing else to say.
• 55:47
  There's no conversations of comparing from this guy to this guy.
• 55:50
  You're just a fucking idiot.
• 55:52
  Now.
• 55:53
  Yes.
• 55:54
  The end.
• 55:55
  It's just, this is the most tired old man shit that just to get attention.
• 55:59
  And I honestly, I'm not even giving it attention that, that I'm like mad at him.
• 56:04
  I I'm finding this to be fucking sad.
• 56:07
  This is sad.
• 56:08
  Now I find this incredibly sad.
• 56:11
  You're like this old withering 78 year old man.
• 56:16
  It's fun.
• 56:17
  You think this is like great clickbait from 2009.
• 56:19
  It's not anymore.
• 56:21
  This is just the ramblings of a sad old man that no one gives a fuck about.
• 56:25
  And I'm, and I'm loving that Steven A. Smith and people are starting to see this about
• 56:28
  this dipshit.
• 56:30
  I'm glad some of you are starting to open your eyes.
• 56:33
  It's just a shitty, stupid grift.
• 56:36
  It's annoying.
• 56:38
  It's the same thing.
• 56:39
  It's a weak playbook.
• 56:40
  Fucking stop looking at the dumb playbook and just fucking learn.
• 56:46
  It's like what we talked about in the show last time, or it was like the playing to the
• 56:49
  lowest common denominator.
• 56:51
  What's the stupidest fan going to think?
• 56:53
  And if you have that opinion, it works because it caters to the stupidest fan.
• 56:57
  And then it makes the people who actually have an understanding of any level of nuance,
• 57:01
  very angry.
• 57:02
  Um, and in the conversation, so the sidetrack, the thing I wanted to talk to you about, which
• 57:08
  is something I'm sure you've seen a lot is the conversation around Messi versus Ronaldo.
• 57:12
  Okay.
• 57:13
  So this is for, this is for you.
• 57:14
  It's for our viewers.
• 57:16
  It's for our listeners.
• 57:17
  It's for whoever wants to feel a little bit more knowledgeable about this conversation
• 57:22
  because what I have been seeing happen on the internet because of the phenomenons you
• 57:27
  just mentioned is nobody seems to understand why Messi and why Ronaldo would even be mentioned
• 57:33
  in the same breath as Lionel Messi.
• 57:35
  This is like, it has become a thing where it's like, that's a fucking joke.
• 57:39
  Why would anybody even say that?
• 57:41
  It is constant.
• 57:42
  I'm seeing it all the time, all the time.
• 57:45
  And uh, as somebody who's been watching the sport the entire time, I have to tell you,
• 57:51
  that's a conversation that's been being had and was being had for a long time.
• 57:55
  And just like in other goat conversations, perhaps like a Brady Manning situation or
• 58:00
  whatever else, one player continues on and just surpasses the other.
• 58:06
  And it was absolutely a conversation for a long time.
• 58:07
  And I just want to, we're going to set some things straight here.
• 58:10
  Sure.
• 58:11
  Okay.
• 58:12
  So Messi versus Ronaldo.
• 58:13
  Now, Ronaldo is two years older than Lionel Messi.
• 58:15
  Okay.
• 58:16
  Career goals.
• 58:17
  Lionel Messi has 916, Cristiano Ronaldo has 973.
• 58:23
  Lionel Messi has about 150 more assists than Cristiano Ronaldo, understandable based on
• 58:28
  the way they play their position.
• 58:32
  Ballon d'Ors, Ballon d'Ors, Lionel Messi has eight, Cristiano Ronaldo has five.
• 58:40
  European gold shoes, Lionel Messi has six, Cristiano Ronaldo has four.
• 58:45
  FIFA World Cups, Lionel Messi, after the last one, had one.
• 58:49
  He has one.
• 58:50
  He won one.
• 58:51
  It was the last, Cristiano Ronaldo has zero.
• 58:54
  Now bear in mind, Cristiano Ronaldo is from Portugal.
• 58:56
  Okay.
• 58:57
  Fair enough.
• 59:00
  Continental trophies, which for Messi is Copa America and for Cristiano Ronaldo is Euros
• 59:05
  and Nations League.
• 59:06
  Cristiano Ronaldo has three, Messi has two.
• 59:09
  Cristiano Ronaldo has five Champions League wins, Messi has four.
• 59:14
  For years, they had a massive rivalry between Real Madrid and Barcelona.
• 59:18
  Obviously, the two greats going up against each other all that time, Ronaldo came out
• 59:23
  on top in those with Real Madrid.
• 59:25
  These are the kinds of conversations that led to that debate happening and at his peak,
• 59:33
  Cristiano Ronaldo was absolutely the best player in the world even while Messi was playing.
• 59:39
  That has since changed and it started to change a long time ago.
• 59:44
  Their styles are different and I believe Messi, his style was made for longevity and he is
• 59:51
  just naturally the better player across the course of his career, start to finish.
• 59:56
  He is fucking crushed.
• 59:57
  Winning a World Cup is always going to give you the edge.
• 1:00:00
  Absolutely.
• 1:00:01
  Winning more Ballon d'Or is absolutely going to give you the edge, but we do not have to
• 1:00:05
  live in a world where we don't understand why the one B is Cristiano Ronaldo.
• 1:00:10
  That's very easy to understand.
• 1:00:12
  That is very fucking easy.
• 1:00:13
  We don't need to be dumb about this.
• 1:00:16
  I don't want us after this wonderful World Cup time, this wonderful World Cup where we've
• 1:00:21
  hosted it and just delighted in football to come out of this being the motherfucking
• 1:00:26
  stupid Americans who can't because we know Skip Bayless can't possibly have a goat debate.
• 1:00:31
  We know.
• 1:00:32
  Oh my God.
• 1:00:33
  God forbid.
• 1:00:34
  He's had one debate for the last 25.
• 1:00:35
  We don't.
• 1:00:36
  We don't have to be like that, guys.
• 1:00:37
  We can be better.
• 1:00:38
  We can.
• 1:00:39
  We can do this for the football world community and say we understand why the conversation
• 1:00:45
  existed before.
• 1:00:46
  How incredible all time fucking one of the greatest players of all time, Cristiano Ronaldo
• 1:00:51
  is and also say Messi surpassed him.
• 1:00:54
  That's the go.
• 1:00:55
  We can.
• 1:00:56
  We can do it all, guys.
• 1:00:57
  I really believe in us.
• 1:00:58
  And I just wanted to make that clear.
• 1:01:00
  Yeah, it's not going to happen.
• 1:01:02
  Oh, you don't think so?
• 1:01:03
  Nope.
• 1:01:04
  Nope.
• 1:01:05
  We're going to.
• 1:01:06
  There's not going to be nuance in this.
• 1:01:07
  There's never going to be context taken in this.
• 1:01:08
  And right now, frankly, people are seeing what's in front of them right now.
• 1:01:11
  This is this is a real first time option for all the Americans right now who are seeing
• 1:01:16
  both of these guys really play in our actual time zone for the first time in a World Cup
• 1:01:20
  scenario.
• 1:01:21
  He's 41.
• 1:01:22
  Do a little bit of research.
• 1:01:23
  I'm agreeing with you.
• 1:01:24
  I'm not yelling at you.
• 1:01:25
  I'm just being realistic.
• 1:01:26
  I'm not yelling at you.
• 1:01:27
  One of them is 41 years old and is not the same guy anymore.
• 1:01:30
  And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 1:01:31
  And by the way, oh, let's make clear, insufferable.
• 1:01:35
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:01:36
  Fucking insufferable.
• 1:01:37
  Insufferable.
• 1:01:38
  To boot.
• 1:01:39
  His teammates clearly fucking hate him.
• 1:01:41
  I will say I don't necessarily fully agree with that assessment as they are very annoyed
• 1:01:48
  at him right now.
• 1:01:50
  I think they're annoyed by the questions.
• 1:01:52
  And I do think that they're like, I wish this motherfucker just wasn't starting.
• 1:01:55
  Yes, I don't think they hate that.
• 1:01:57
  Like quite literally, Portugal, like owes everything about where they're at in the world
• 1:02:01
  stage.
• 1:02:02
  Cristiano.
• 1:02:03
  I couldn't agree more.
• 1:02:04
  So are we?
• 1:02:05
  Listen, I'm focused on the right now.
• 1:02:06
  And what I saw in that last game was Cristiano Ronaldo cost them the game, not help them.
• 1:02:13
  He shouldn't be out there at the moment to come in as a super sub with fucking 15 minutes
• 1:02:18
  to go.
• 1:02:19
  That's what he needs to do.
• 1:02:20
  And I don't know why he won't.
• 1:02:21
  But I do know why he won't because he's Cristiano.
• 1:02:23
  That being said, that doesn't mean he's not one of the greatest of all time, if not the
• 1:02:26
  one B that you just said, he's just 41 years old thinking he's still 30 fucking five right
• 1:02:31
  now.
• 1:02:32
  And I think that's funny.
• 1:02:33
  I'm enjoying this because he's kind of a cocky prick that I like seeing fall kind of on his
• 1:02:39
  face.
• 1:02:40
  Does it take away from his borderline goat status?
• 1:02:42
  No, no.
• 1:02:43
  And I mean, really, I am going to enjoy it.
• 1:02:46
  I say he's one beat a messy in terms of their era, but like we can't.
• 1:02:50
  I mean, there's Diego Maradona.
• 1:02:51
  There's Pele.
• 1:02:52
  Like there are some people in that conversation that are just like a totally different ball.
• 1:02:55
  There's Mbappe who could finally win the world cup.
• 1:02:58
  Okay.
• 1:02:59
  Stop saying that.
• 1:03:00
  People don't know the context.
• 1:03:02
  Well, Google it.
• 1:03:03
  Finally.
• 1:03:04
  Okay.
• 1:03:05
  Yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Well, you know, he's been at it for a long time.
• 1:03:08
  So long.
• 1:03:09
  You know, he's been trying.
• 1:03:10
  When's it going to happen?
• 1:03:11
  I don't know.
• 1:03:12
  2019.
• 1:03:13
  No, but well, he didn't.
• 1:03:14
  The thing is, I genuinely really believe, well, we also had the pandemic thing.
• 1:03:15
  So who the fuck knows?
• 1:03:16
  It was in that.
• 1:03:17
  It was in that window.
• 1:03:18
  Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Fucked up.
• 1:03:20
  I genuinely believe that we can do better in these, I think my, you know what, I think
• 1:03:33
  I just decided, Cody, I have a mission, I have a mission statement to as a through line
• 1:03:38
  for our podcast.
• 1:03:40
  I think we can make goat debates great again.
• 1:03:43
  No, I think we can't.
• 1:03:44
  No, you and I can.
• 1:03:45
  We absolutely can.
• 1:03:46
  We possess the nuance.
• 1:03:47
  No, I have really fun.
• 1:03:48
  Interesting conversations.
• 1:03:49
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:03:53
  That feeling that you're having is because of everybody else.
• 1:03:55
  We can change the narrative.
• 1:03:58
  We, we can change our personal relationship to the trauma we have around goat debates.
• 1:04:02
  We can do that.
• 1:04:03
  I'm also firmly against anything, making anything great again.
• 1:04:06
  Well, we can make it enjoyable again.
• 1:04:10
  We can make it.
• 1:04:11
  The context of something, something again, it's just something I don't want to be a part
• 1:04:15
  of anymore.
• 1:04:16
  We can make it cool for the first time.
• 1:04:19
  If we add a lot more syllables and more words, we can make it really fun, sexy, cool for
• 1:04:23
  the first time ever.
• 1:04:24
  That sounds like a TLC album.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah, it's supposed to.
• 1:04:26
  I like what you're doing.
• 1:04:27
  Okay.
• 1:04:28
  Thank you.
• 1:04:29
  You're getting me on board.
• 1:04:30
  All right.
• 1:04:31
  Do you want to talk about some movies?
• 1:04:32
  I would like to talk about movies.
• 1:04:33
  Let's go to pop culture corner.
• 1:04:34
  I love that.
• 1:04:35
  Cody, you actually mentioned this to me that you're kind of hype about where the movie
• 1:04:42
  situation is at right now.
• 1:04:43
  It looks like we might be having a movie resurgence summer.
• 1:04:45
  So I saw Obsession finally, and it really, really kind of made me think a little bit
• 1:04:50
  and talk about it because there's one thing that is absolutely...
• 1:04:53
  Throughout these last couple of years, we've been watching movies kind of be subsided and
• 1:04:56
  kind of take a backseat and not making the money it once did.
• 1:05:00
  That being said, I do think there are outlier years, and I do think that certain things
• 1:05:04
  become passe.
• 1:05:05
  We go through modes every few years.
• 1:05:06
  The Western was the biggest thing in the world.
• 1:05:08
  Then science fiction became the biggest thing in the world.
• 1:05:10
  Then the 80s horror slasher became the biggest thing in the world.
• 1:05:14
  Then the action years became the biggest thing in the world.
• 1:05:16
  And then it was like apocalypse action movies.
• 1:05:19
  Yeah, then gritty films became the thing in the world in the 70s.
• 1:05:23
  We go in these ebbs and flows where things need to be splashy, then things need to be
• 1:05:27
  bleak, and then things need to be splashy, then things need to be bleak, and we're kind
• 1:05:30
  of in the middle in between right now as far as a movie audience goes.
• 1:05:35
  But there's one thing that seems like we're getting back to a bleak time again because
• 1:05:39
  One thing that's been making money in theaters, unquestionably, especially even exponential
• 1:05:44
  rate based on their budgets, has been horror movies.
• 1:05:47
  That's not new though.
• 1:05:48
  That is not new.
• 1:05:49
  That's actually been an evergreen thing across horror for a long time.
• 1:05:53
  But it's been even more exponential as of late because there's been more influxes of
• 1:05:57
  one, young filmmakers.
• 1:05:58
  There's been more influx of...
• 1:06:00
  Almost like a post-COVID.
• 1:06:02
  Very much so, and new ways of making films, which by the way, could be for better or for
• 1:06:05
  worse as time goes forward.
• 1:06:07
  We'll see how that goes.
• 1:06:08
  But you're also still getting your tentpoles.
• 1:06:10
  I do think, and I have a theory, that this summer is going to be a big, massive comeback
• 1:06:14
  for the cinema industry.
• 1:06:15
  Now, there have been some missteps already.
• 1:06:17
  We've already seen that The Mandalorian and Grogu, which I will freely admit was a movie
• 1:06:20
  I'm a Star Wars fan, I didn't want to see.
• 1:06:23
  I didn't.
• 1:06:24
  It just wasn't interesting to me.
• 1:06:25
  And I actually really loved the first season of The Mandalorian.
• 1:06:27
  I like...
• 1:06:28
  Who doesn't like Grogu?
• 1:06:29
  He's so cute.
• 1:06:30
  I love him.
• 1:06:31
  But that show kind of fell off a little bit in the third season, and frankly...
• 1:06:33
  Now, if they had done Andor and Grogu...
• 1:06:35
  Oh my goodness.
• 1:06:36
  Andor was a masterpiece of a show.
• 1:06:38
  Although we can't do that.
• 1:06:39
  That being said, watching as cinema's going forward, we're going to get some of those
• 1:06:43
  tentpoles coming out.
• 1:06:44
  People who think there's superhero fatigue.
• 1:06:46
  I do think there's an aspect of that that is true.
• 1:06:49
  But I think it's fatigue of shit superhero content.
• 1:06:51
  Marvel has kind of had some misfires over the last couple of years.
• 1:06:55
  There's also the narrative about them putting out products that really were very much unfinished.
• 1:07:00
  And part of that is COVID.
• 1:07:01
  Part of that is how money was allocated.
• 1:07:03
  That was part of that was a mandate from Disney saying, we have to keep putting out more and
• 1:07:06
  more and more fucking content.
• 1:07:08
  And I understood that during the COVID era.
• 1:07:11
  But after that, the content had to kind of spit her out because people weren't seeing
• 1:07:14
  the content because the content factory was just becoming shitty.
• 1:07:18
  And now you have an opportunity from DC right now.
• 1:07:21
  They're kind of taking their times with their new novel approach.
• 1:07:23
  That being said, we have a Supergirl movie.
• 1:07:25
  I'm interested to see what it's going to look like.
• 1:07:27
  Yeah.
• 1:07:28
  I have not been able to stay excited about Superman or Supergirl.
• 1:07:32
  I want to see it very much, but I do think that's a movie that's not going to do well
• 1:07:35
  its first week.
• 1:07:36
  It's a good movie.
• 1:07:37
  If it's a good movie, the word of mouth can kind of carry it along a little bit.
• 1:07:39
  Who's directing it?
• 1:07:40
  That is a good question.
• 1:07:41
  I actually don't know the answer to that.
• 1:07:44
  But then you also have the new Spider-Man movie, which you know is going to make a billion
• 1:07:47
  dollars.
• 1:07:48
  And I love the Spider-Man.
• 1:07:49
  I got to admit, it looks fantastic.
• 1:07:51
  You have the Odyssey.
• 1:07:52
  We know that's going to make a billion dollars.
• 1:07:53
  I already got my ticket to that.
• 1:07:56
  We have a big amount of summer blockbusters that I am actually quite excited to go and
• 1:08:01
  see, along with a lot of movies that are very low budget that I want to see.
• 1:08:06
  I wanted to finally see Obsession.
• 1:08:08
  It was fantastic.
• 1:08:09
  I look forward to seeing it possibly again.
• 1:08:11
  Back Rooms intrigues me, but I looked at the plot and I'm like, I don't know if I can get
• 1:08:15
  into this.
• 1:08:16
  It seems a little Slenderman-esque to me, and that's not really my thing.
• 1:08:22
  That being said, it's getting very good reviews and it's making an outrageous amount of money.
• 1:08:26
  I think the one thing I'm going to pause on or maybe push back on or whatever is everything
• 1:08:33
  you're talking about right now outside of the horror space, which again is where this
• 1:08:37
  always happens.
• 1:08:38
  We always get original IP in horror.
• 1:08:42
  We're talking about Spider-Man and Supergirl and the Odyssey.
• 1:08:46
  We're talking about, and I think the real resurgence is always when we start seeing
• 1:08:50
  more original IP.
• 1:08:53
  When we start seeing broader genres coming in and doing really well.
• 1:08:58
  When was the last time we had a really successful rom-com in the movies?
• 1:09:02
  When was the last time we had a really successful dark comedy in the movies?
• 1:09:07
  When I see that stuff, we lived through the heyday of comedies.
• 1:09:10
  Yes, we did.
• 1:09:11
  Yes, we did.
• 1:09:12
  Heyday of rom-coms.
• 1:09:13
  Yes, we did.
• 1:09:14
  I would say from the 90s into the 2000s.
• 1:09:16
  No question.
• 1:09:18
  After that was just truly fucking blockbuster comedies.
• 1:09:22
  Those are the things that I feel like when we see those start to happen, because that's
• 1:09:27
  what we're missing.
• 1:09:30
  Those movies go to Netflix or they go to Amazon or they go to Hulu or they go to Peacock.
• 1:09:34
  They don't go to the movies.
• 1:09:37
  I miss that experience.
• 1:09:39
  I absolutely do too.
• 1:09:41
  The thing is, I think it's a marketing issue, obviously, because you have to give people
• 1:09:44
  a reason to spend their money to go to the fucking movies.
• 1:09:48
  See me, the movies I want to go see are at a smaller theater.
• 1:09:52
  If it's a big tentpole film, of course, I want to see that in an AMC or something like
• 1:09:55
  that.
• 1:09:56
  For the most part, I'd rather be in a small movie theater, and those are becoming harder
• 1:09:58
  and harder to find these days.
• 1:09:59
  I miss the Landmark so much.
• 1:10:00
  God, the Landmark.
• 1:10:01
  I miss the Landmark so fucking much.
• 1:10:03
  Those of you that don't know, the Landmark was a theater down on Pico in West Los Angeles.
• 1:10:10
  My God, it was my favorite movie theater in the world.
• 1:10:13
  I would go out of my way just to go to that movie theater all the time.
• 1:10:16
  It's not really out of the way for you.
• 1:10:17
  It's not that far.
• 1:10:18
  No, it's fairly close, but man, I just loved that place.
• 1:10:21
  My other favorite place is the Arrow Theater, which is right up here, but it's not like
• 1:10:24
  it's a comfortable place.
• 1:10:25
  It's an old movie theater, and that's part of its charm.
• 1:10:30
  If you wanted to see ... The best thing about it, and this is what we lost, when we lost
• 1:10:34
  theaters like the Landmark, which was the premier theater to do that at in Los Angeles
• 1:10:39
  on the west side, was that we lost the opportunity to go and see all the Oscar winners and the
• 1:10:46
  prestige movies or whatever in a place where they would be playing ...
• 1:10:50
  But they'd also be playing Indiana Jones.
• 1:10:52
  Yes.
• 1:10:53
  Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  And so you had a real theater experience, but you also ... They would do the director's
• 1:10:57
  cuts and then the director would show up and talk.
• 1:10:59
  I loved them.
• 1:11:00
  I would do it all the time.
• 1:11:01
  I remember I saw both Che, part one and two, and saw with a Q&A afterwards with Steven
• 1:11:05
  Soderbergh.
• 1:11:06
  Yes.
• 1:11:07
  And it was phenomenal.
• 1:11:08
  Phenomenal stuff.
• 1:11:09
  Those to me, that was the perfect theater going experience.
• 1:11:12
  Really nice bar right there.
• 1:11:13
  Very much so.
• 1:11:14
  And restaurant, by the way.
• 1:11:15
  Bar and restaurant.
• 1:11:16
  Exactly.
• 1:11:17
  It was fantastic.
• 1:11:18
  So we don't even have that anymore.
• 1:11:20
  In a movie town like Los Angeles, that was one thing, and I should say, moving out here,
• 1:11:26
  that was one thing where I was like, oh, people weren't lying when they said this is actually
• 1:11:30
  a better town to see a movie.
• 1:11:32
  100%.
• 1:11:33
  I didn't ... It always sounds a little pretentious, right?
• 1:11:35
  But I say the same thing about I actually don't think that this is a great town to see
• 1:11:38
  live music in.
• 1:11:39
  I think I love seeing live music a lot better in other places.
• 1:11:42
  This is not a great live music city.
• 1:11:43
  It has beautiful venues.
• 1:11:44
  It has incredible venues, but this is not a great live music city.
• 1:11:48
  I don't think it's a great theater city.
• 1:11:49
  I don't think it's a great theater city.
• 1:11:50
  The vibe.
• 1:11:51
  If I see theater, that's New York City.
• 1:11:52
  No, I'm talking about bands.
• 1:11:55
  There are 15 cities in this country where I have been, where just the ... It doesn't
• 1:12:01
  matter.
• 1:12:02
  The Greek, all the incredible places that you have to see music here, they just don't
• 1:12:08
  compare to the crowds and whatever.
• 1:12:10
  It's not the musicians.
• 1:12:11
  It's the crowds.
• 1:12:12
  No, no.
• 1:12:13
  I hear what you're saying, but the Hollywood Bowl is my favorite place to go.
• 1:12:15
  That's fine.
• 1:12:16
  And you grew up in Los Angeles, and I understand that that's special to you, but it just doesn't
• 1:12:18
  the environments of live music.
• 1:12:21
  The crowds are never what they should be.
• 1:12:24
  Think about the best time you had at the Hollywood Bowl, the greatest crowd you ever experienced.
• 1:12:28
  It just doesn't compare to seeing live music in other cities.
• 1:12:32
  I will say, though, it's the exact opposite, seeing movies out here.
• 1:12:37
  The opportunity to see movies in a place where people really cared about movies was something
• 1:12:41
  I genuinely didn't recognize until I moved to Los Angeles.
• 1:12:46
  Seeing these great films in these nice theaters that were designed to cater to film lovers
• 1:12:53
  and being in a place where we all really cared, and this is pre-COVID.
• 1:12:58
  This is what I'm talking about.
• 1:12:59
  The place was special.
• 1:13:00
  It was special.
• 1:13:01
  And there would be a buzz in the city when there was a movie that everybody was talking
• 1:13:05
  about.
• 1:13:06
  Yes, there was.
• 1:13:07
  That was a real fucking thing.
• 1:13:08
  A real thing.
• 1:13:09
  Word of mouth was a real thing out here, big time.
• 1:13:10
  I loved it.
• 1:13:11
  I loved it.
• 1:13:12
  The billboards were everywhere.
• 1:13:13
  We don't even have that the way that we used to.
• 1:13:16
  I miss that so much.
• 1:13:19
  And I think that the real sign is when we do start getting buzz about movies that are
• 1:13:28
  not mainstream, like the way that we used to, where it would be like, oh, that movie
• 1:13:32
  was out in LA three weeks ago.
• 1:13:34
  They just heard about it in New York.
• 1:13:36
  No, I agree.
• 1:13:37
  But I do think we're getting a smattering of that along with some big temples that I
• 1:13:40
  do think can bring in the big numbers as well.
• 1:13:44
  And if that happens, I'm hoping that is a carryover into the award season, which happens
• 1:13:47
  in the Novembers and the Decembers.
• 1:13:50
  But you're not wrong.
• 1:13:51
  You know what got me to go to the theaters for that?
• 1:13:53
  Wasn't theater like the landmark that showed everything there, the art house pictures along
• 1:13:58
  with the temple pictures.
• 1:14:01
  We don't have nearly enough of that here.
• 1:14:03
  Now there's some good AMCs out here.
• 1:14:05
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:14:06
  I mean, yeah.
• 1:14:07
  But it's still like, listen, it's still an AMC.
• 1:14:09
  You still feel like you're in a fucking theme park.
• 1:14:11
  Yeah.
• 1:14:13
  That's where we usually see most of our movies is the Cinemark.
• 1:14:16
  Love a Cinemark.
• 1:14:17
  Great.
• 1:14:18
  Yeah.
• 1:14:19
  Great bars and food and whatever and all the great fancy seats.
• 1:14:20
  But I don't feel like an adult.
• 1:14:22
  I feel like I'm walking into a Universal Studios.
• 1:14:25
  And you know, I used to take my mom to the landmark all the time and she would agree.
• 1:14:28
  She loves the fancy seats at the Cinemark.
• 1:14:30
  She loves to be able to recline.
• 1:14:32
  But if I told her the landmark opened up and we can back up and we could go to it, she'd
• 1:14:36
  be in a heartbeat.
• 1:14:37
  She'd be like, we're doing that.
• 1:14:38
  100%.
• 1:14:39
  Yes, yes, yes.
• 1:14:40
  To your point, like, I am really excited for what like the summer, the summer blockbusters
• 1:14:48
  could bring.
• 1:14:49
  I, by the way, never saw, wait, wait, wait, I want to correct somebody over here because
• 1:14:54
  I have to correct this.
• 1:14:55
  I'm sorry.
• 1:14:56
  I'm feeling fortunate that Detroit has smaller theaters and great smaller concert venues.
• 1:15:00
  I'm surprised that way.
• 1:15:01
  It does.
• 1:15:02
  Tanya's a fucking lunatic.
• 1:15:04
  Los Angeles has the most amount of the Whiskey a Go Go, the Troubadour, the Roxy.
• 1:15:09
  And then huge.
• 1:15:10
  What did I, what did I just say?
• 1:15:11
  You're talking big venues.
• 1:15:12
  I know.
• 1:15:13
  No, I said, I literally, hold on.
• 1:15:16
  I said, they have incredible venues.
• 1:15:18
  Yeah, but you hit the crowds, you should say.
• 1:15:21
  I love the Troubadour.
• 1:15:23
  It is my favorite place to see music.
• 1:15:25
  It's the only place that I think it compares to other places that I've been in the country.
• 1:15:30
  The Troubadour to me gives me the vibe that I get other places.
• 1:15:34
  What he's talking about is correct.
• 1:15:36
  It is better to see music in Detroit.
• 1:15:38
  He's not wrong.
• 1:15:39
  And it's, and it's not the venues.
• 1:15:41
  The venues here fucking rule killer.
• 1:15:44
  People here aren't music fans in the same way.
• 1:15:46
  I don't know if it is the vibe, if there's so many transplants bringing different tastes,
• 1:15:50
  different whatever.
• 1:15:51
  I don't know what it is.
• 1:15:52
  I've never been able to put my finger on it, but I'm not the only one who said it.
• 1:15:55
  Like literally everybody who's not an LA transplant that I have talked to or, or who is, or who
• 1:16:00
  has, isn't an LA native.
• 1:16:03
  It is, it's, I don't know how to explain it other than to say, I never go to a concert
• 1:16:06
  and think these people suck, but it's always missing the next level of the experience I've
• 1:16:12
  had in other places.
• 1:16:13
  Okay.
• 1:16:14
  I think there's, there must be eras involved in this and this must be a much more nuanced
• 1:16:17
  and newer era because I've grown up in Los Angeles through multiple eras where even before
• 1:16:23
  my time, let's say in the seventies where Hollywood Boulevard was crazy.
• 1:16:26
  Then the eighties when it was really fucking crazy.
• 1:16:29
  Then it kind of died out in the nineties because everything moved to kind of Seattle.
• 1:16:32
  Then the two thousands early, it really picked back up in LA.
• 1:16:36
  It's not to say that the incredible music and incredible venues aren't here.
• 1:16:39
  Like that's, that's in our arguable.
• 1:16:41
  This is one of the biggest cities and one of the most cultural cities in the country.
• 1:16:44
  So incredible bands, incredible moments, the Troubadour and the, and these places are,
• 1:16:49
  are truly iconic for a reason.
• 1:16:52
  Someone would actually like to know, is it better than Boston?
• 1:16:54
  Because I actually don't know the answer.
• 1:16:55
  No, Boston is a much better music city.
• 1:16:57
  Really?
• 1:16:58
  Yeah.
• 1:16:59
  It's a much better place to see if you, so like the paradise is something like, is like
• 1:17:01
  something like the Troubadour, right?
• 1:17:03
  There's like these clubs there that were like, I would go to and whatever.
• 1:17:06
  And the crowds are really different.
• 1:17:09
  And the, it's never that the musician is playing better in Boston than they are in Los Angeles.
• 1:17:13
  It's or in better in, you know, Philly than they are in Los Angeles.
• 1:17:17
  It is always about like being in the crowd and how they're experiencing the music and
• 1:17:24
  how that like energy is being built in it.
• 1:17:26
  Like that's the whole thing about live music is the energy of the crowd.
• 1:17:29
  That's the biggest thing.
• 1:17:30
  And you know, like, it just is, I think, I do think that there is a, like a, a disconnect
• 1:17:37
  in some way, shape or form.
• 1:17:38
  I think a lot of people in Los Angeles, I feel this way about Lakers games.
• 1:17:41
  And I think this translates to a lot of like concert going experiences, even in these smaller
• 1:17:45
  places.
• 1:17:46
  There's just people getting tickets, people getting like, there's, it's not as organic.
• 1:17:51
  The crowds are like, oh, let's just go do this thing.
• 1:17:54
  And I don't know, that's my only theory.
• 1:17:57
  I think the music is better in, I think seeing live music is better in New York.
• 1:18:01
  I think it's better in Boston.
• 1:18:02
  I think it's better in, in Seattle.
• 1:18:04
  I think it's better in Philly.
• 1:18:05
  I think it's better in New Orleans.
• 1:18:07
  I think it's better in Chicago.
• 1:18:09
  Like I definitely agree with Chicago and New Orleans too, but the New Orleans is also very
• 1:18:14
  different as well.
• 1:18:15
  That's a, you're, you're looking very, that's a very specific type of music.
• 1:18:19
  I'm literally talking about like, whether you are at a, like a bar watching a live band
• 1:18:24
  perform or you're at an amphitheater.
• 1:18:26
  Hmm.
• 1:18:27
  Interesting.
• 1:18:28
  Yeah.
• 1:18:29
  And the crazy part is Chris and I, different coasts, raised entirely different places,
• 1:18:34
  entirely different, like, you know, music experiences growing up.
• 1:18:37
  He agrees and he loves music more than anybody I know.
• 1:18:41
  He's seen more live music than you or I combined.
• 1:18:44
  He's like, there's something weird about LA.
• 1:18:45
  Hmm.
• 1:18:46
  Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Interesting.
• 1:18:48
  Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  Interesting.
• 1:18:50
  It's a take.
• 1:18:51
  So you know what Detroit guy, I'm, I'm on your side.
• 1:18:52
  I know a lot of people say, I'm talking about Detroit here, but absolutely.
• 1:18:54
  What are you going to do?
• 1:18:56
  I guess Detroit's the best.
• 1:18:57
  I, I actually have only been to, I would love to go to Detroit.
• 1:19:00
  It's fucking awesome by the way.
• 1:19:01
  I've only been once and I actually really enjoyed it.
• 1:19:03
  But I will say as far as, as far as like getting to go to cool, like the bowl, the Hollywood
• 1:19:08
  bowl is amazing.
• 1:19:09
  These places are amazing.
• 1:19:12
  And by, and by the way, if we ever get, got to go to a show at the Troubadour together,
• 1:19:15
  I would love that.
• 1:19:16
  That is my Troubadour.
• 1:19:17
  It's funny because after saying all of this, my favorite place in the world, if I could
• 1:19:21
  pick my favorite band and watch them play somewhere, it would be at the Troubadour.
• 1:19:24
  And by the way, I liked the whiskey, but the whiskey is fine.
• 1:19:27
  It's fine.
• 1:19:28
  The Roxy's fine.
• 1:19:29
  Troubadour is the shit.
• 1:19:30
  Troubadour is a great place to catch the shit.
• 1:19:31
  I love it.
• 1:19:32
  Love it.
• 1:19:33
  Love it.
• 1:19:34
  Love it so much.
• 1:19:35
  So having said all that, LA does possess my favorite music club.
• 1:19:38
  And if I'm going to an indoor arena, I mean, I don't love seeing a concert at Staples.
• 1:19:42
  I've seen a few there at Staples.
• 1:19:44
  It's not a great concert venue.
• 1:19:45
  I've seen many at the Forum.
• 1:19:48
  The Forum is fun.
• 1:19:49
  I think the Forum's a phenomenal concert venue.
• 1:19:50
  The Forum's pretty fun.
• 1:19:51
  If you're going to go to an arena.
• 1:19:52
  But I haven't seen Intuit yet either.
• 1:19:55
  And I haven't seen anything really big enough to play it so far.
• 1:19:58
  You know I'm a little woo-woo for obvious reasons in my family.
• 1:20:03
  The Forum has the vibe.
• 1:20:07
  There's history in its bones.
• 1:20:09
  And I genuinely believe the history in its bones.
• 1:20:12
  I think it's probably because there are all those working class cities.
• 1:20:15
  I don't think of LA as a working class city.
• 1:20:17
  That's one of our comments.
• 1:20:18
  That's fair.
• 1:20:20
  What do you think of that, Mocha?
• 1:20:21
  So I was going to say the exact same thing.
• 1:20:22
  Really?
• 1:20:23
  Is that it's because it's LA's culture.
• 1:20:24
  It's an LA culture thing.
• 1:20:25
  And I feel like they're too pretentious to really get into it as a crowd.
• 1:20:26
  I can see that.
• 1:20:27
  Because they're more reserved a little bit.
• 1:20:28
  Oh, look who's finally agreeing with the take I debuted.
• 1:20:29
  I don't know.
• 1:20:30
  There is an aspect where some people.
• 1:20:31
  That's what I'm saying about the Lakers.
• 1:20:32
  I think it depends on where you're going.
• 1:20:33
  I don't know.
• 1:20:34
  I don't know.
• 1:20:35
  I don't know.
• 1:20:36
  I don't know.
• 1:20:37
  I don't know.
• 1:20:38
  I don't know.
• 1:20:39
  I don't know.
• 1:20:40
  I don't know.
• 1:20:41
  I don't know.
• 1:20:42
  I don't know.
• 1:20:44
  I don't know.
• 1:20:45
  There is an aspect where some people.
• 1:20:47
  That's I'm saying about the Lakers.
• 1:20:48
  I think depends on where you're going.
• 1:20:49
  They're judging.
• 1:20:50
  They are, but, like, can I give an example?
• 1:20:52
  Go to a beach fest and it'll have a bunch of bands like Sublime and shit like that.
• 1:20:58
  I really feel like that vibe is completely different than a stuck up crowd at a different
• 1:21:04
  venue.
• 1:21:05
  I'll even say my favorite venue, the Hollywood Bowl.
• 1:21:07
  I could definitely see it at the Hollywood Bowl being a little more stuffy crowds there.
• 1:21:13
  Yeah, sure.
• 1:21:14
  Of course.
• 1:21:15
  I think the smaller, the more niche that you're getting, the more likely you are to get an
• 1:21:18
  authentic crowd.
• 1:21:19
  Of course, I've seen the same artist in a smaller venue in L.A. and then also in Boston
• 1:21:25
  and New York Festival, like on the beach and like her most like the offspring plays.
• 1:21:31
  That sounds awful.
• 1:21:34
  Not the offspring.
• 1:21:35
  The crowd.
• 1:21:36
  I'm not going to lie.
• 1:21:37
  Like an L.A. beach crowd sounds awful.
• 1:21:40
  Like I love the L.A. beach.
• 1:21:43
  That's where the words get exposed.
• 1:21:46
  The thing gets flawed just because you hate L.A. people.
• 1:21:48
  I don't.
• 1:21:49
  I love my L.A. locals.
• 1:21:50
  It's everybody else I don't like.
• 1:21:52
  I think if you could have a whole concert full of L.A. locals, I actually think it'd be fucking
• 1:21:56
  amazing.
• 1:21:57
  I agree.
• 1:21:58
  I think the problem is there's too many transplants here.
• 1:21:59
  There are a lot of transplants.
• 1:22:00
  All these different places where like the interests are different.
• 1:22:01
  The vibe is different.
• 1:22:02
  The whatever.
• 1:22:03
  And like I think people, I do think to Mocha's point, there's a lot of the like, I'm just
• 1:22:07
  going to go do this thing because I can't.
• 1:22:09
  There is a lot of that.
• 1:22:10
  And you mentioned Laker games, which is a very much a thing.
• 1:22:12
  When I'm at the Hollywood Bowl, I'm like, it feels like 60% of the people here got tickets
• 1:22:17
  because they were like, I have nothing else to do.
• 1:22:19
  It's the Hollywood Bowl.
• 1:22:20
  I might as well.
• 1:22:21
  Or got free tickets from somebody else or whatever.
• 1:22:24
  Or they're just doing it.
• 1:22:25
  Like it does not feel.
• 1:22:26
  I can see what you're saying.
• 1:22:28
  But it's all the people that moved here and ruined it.
• 1:22:30
  That's not us people.
• 1:22:32
  That's the Shane Black line, dude, from Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
• 1:22:34
  It's like somebody took the United States from the East Coast and shook it and all the
• 1:22:38
  normal people fucking held on.
• 1:22:39
  I never blamed it on the L.A. locals, to be fair, because we're fucking awesome.
• 1:22:44
  Exactly.
• 1:22:45
  See that, Mocha?
• 1:22:46
  We're awesome, buddy.
• 1:22:47
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:22:48
  Respect to my L.A. locals.
• 1:22:49
  OK.
• 1:22:50
  Well, an hour and a half again.
• 1:22:51
  We weren't supposed to do that.
• 1:22:52
  I was on you.
• 1:22:53
  What?
• 1:22:54
  Don't blame me.
• 1:22:55
  You wrote the rundown.
• 1:22:56
  It's on you.
• 1:22:57
  It's not.
• 1:22:58
  I made a light rundown.
• 1:23:02
  Yet we made a feast out of this shit.
• 1:23:04
  We didn't even get to the fucking bloody sock again.
• 1:23:07
  Well, see, this is the thing.
• 1:23:09
  I had a light rundown.
• 1:23:10
  I thought, at least at the end, we can get to the bloody sock.
• 1:23:12
  But you kept talking.
• 1:23:13
  Well, you know what?
• 1:23:14
  Oh, I kept.
• 1:23:15
  Yeah.
• 1:23:16
  You're always so yappy, Cody.
• 1:23:17
  My God.
• 1:23:18
  Well, you know what?
• 1:23:19
  Regardless, make sure you like, share and subscribe.
• 1:23:21
  Hit that alert button when we go live.
• 1:23:22
  We will be back on Friday talking all that shit.
• 1:23:24
  And we will get to the bloody sock because Tanya, fuck Kurt Schilling.
• 1:23:28
  Fuck Kurt Schilling.
• 1:23:34
  Fuck Kurt Schilling.