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M and M Extra May 28th 2026: The Unfair Attacks on Erika Kirk · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
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Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
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Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light.
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Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is Eminem Extra.
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Speaker 2: Had a good day, everybody.
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Speaker 3: just spreading a little extra. As the name suggests. I'm
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Speaker 3: one of the m's Mark Davis. The other M is
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Speaker 3: my buddy, Mike Gallagher. We've been together on the radio.
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Speaker 3: We've each had our own shows forever and they have
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Speaker 3: intersected on a little segment that became known as Eminem
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Speaker 3: And we're just glad to be here. How are you
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Speaker 3: doing today.
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Speaker 4: I'm good.
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Speaker 2: I've come.
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Speaker 4: I bear great tidings of joy. I bring news, I
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Speaker 4: bring break new news, fast food news, fast food news.
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Speaker 2: Always up for fast food news.
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Speaker 4: There's not a fast food restaurant in Tampa Bay that
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Speaker 4: doesn't know me by a first name basis. I mean,
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Speaker 4: I'm on a first name basis with every Wendy's drive.
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Speaker 2: By the way.
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Speaker 4: But Wendy's are closing all over the country. Have you
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Speaker 4: seen that?
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Speaker 3: No, because that would mean I'm paying attention to Wendy's
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Speaker 3: and I don't want to bag on them.
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Speaker 2: You told me they had a pretty good chicken salad
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Speaker 2: or something.
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Speaker 4: They used to have a great They have a parmesan
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Speaker 4: chicken salad that's very PhD soda compliant. But there there
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Speaker 4: were two Wendy's in downtown Saint Petersburg, where I live.
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Speaker 4: They closed them both this week. A couple of weeks
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Speaker 4: ago closed them both down. Hundreds hundreds of Wendy's are
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Speaker 4: going out of business. It's kind of weird, the fast
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Speaker 4: and look. I joke about it, but I for me,
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Speaker 4: can I can I give you the the the ridiculous
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Speaker 4: psychological I love fast food restaurants. It's kind of sad,
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Speaker 4: but it's a true story. When I was a little kid,
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Speaker 4: my dad was very sick and died on Christmas Day
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Speaker 4: when I was eleven years old. Very sad, very very
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Speaker 4: Maudlin kind of a story, and so it was my
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Speaker 4: mom and me kind of against the world. My older
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Speaker 4: sister was off she was a nun actually, and so
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Speaker 4: she was never around. But it was just my mom
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Speaker 4: and me. And Christmas was hard because my Christmas Day
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Speaker 4: you lose your dad. My mom lost her husband. So
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Speaker 4: she developed a the Christmas Eve tradition. She would take
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Speaker 4: me and this is in a way, this is child
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Speaker 4: abuse and yet touching at the same time, our tradition.
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Speaker 4: Every Christmas Eve, my mom would take me to the
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Speaker 4: McDonald's restaurant on Salem Avenue in Dayton, Ohio, and I
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Speaker 4: would get two big macs, two big macs and a coke.
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Speaker 4: And for the rest of my life, I remember going
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Speaker 4: to McDonald's on Christmas Eve with my mom was the
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Speaker 4: huge treat. Now, first of all, now that I'm, you know,
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Speaker 4: one hundred years old, I look back at that thing.
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Speaker 4: What the hell was she thinking to get me too big?
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Speaker 4: No wonder, I've had weight issues all my life. But nonetheless,
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Speaker 4: for me, those golden arches, and really any fast food
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Speaker 4: restaurant gives me warmth and joy and comfort. And there's
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Speaker 4: something just I love about the fact it's like it's
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Speaker 4: a little break. It's a little vacation. It's a little joy.
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Speaker 4: You know, is is that goofy?
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Speaker 3: Is that as soon as you tie it to a
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Speaker 3: family memory, Yeah, a tradition. It doesn't matter what it is.
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Speaker 3: What it is is secondary to the people involved, the
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Speaker 3: memory of your childhood and the memory of mom. That
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Speaker 3: is an absolutely superb story.
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Speaker 4: Yep, so let me let me give me well, let
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Speaker 4: me give you the story. Though, let me give you
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Speaker 4: the fast fust here before I forget you remember a
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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, speaking to McDonald's, they announced they're
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Speaker 4: no longer going to let you do self serve soda
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Speaker 4: in their restaurants. Did you see that story?
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Speaker 2: You know what? Okay? So where they and where they? Okay?
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Speaker 3: With this empty coups is funny in a way, I
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Speaker 3: think I want to support that because it used to
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Speaker 3: be you would order the burger, the fries and the
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Speaker 3: drink and.
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Speaker 2: They would give them to you.
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Speaker 3: Now, even though you've paid the same thing, they give
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Speaker 3: you the burger and the fries and then hand you
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Speaker 3: a big empty cup and say go get it yourself.
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Speaker 2: So like, okay, but okay, pick up Okay.
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Speaker 4: Well, the problem is people have obviously abused that, and
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Speaker 4: they're getting nineteen refills. And McDonald's is saying it's putting
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Speaker 4: us out of business. They're using too much soda. You're
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Speaker 4: not because you go back and if you eat, do
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Speaker 4: you dine in and they give you an empty cup,
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Speaker 4: you're supposed to fill it up. You're supposed to just
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Speaker 4: refill it as much as you want. So they're completely
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Speaker 4: going to completely eliminate the self served soda machines and
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Speaker 4: all the McDonald's in America, and you're gonna just get
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Speaker 4: the class of soda as you ordered one glass.
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Speaker 3: One could they could file twenty fifth Amendment on Trump
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Speaker 3: right now. And I still got to talk about this
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Speaker 3: with you because I'm now fixated how many how? But
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Speaker 3: now I will tell you it just it just occurred
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Speaker 3: to me. I did an The driving line was long, yeah,
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Speaker 3: and I figure, you ever do this, I'm just gonna
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Speaker 3: run in and see if I get a better, you know,
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Speaker 3: turn around all day just walking, and I did. So
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Speaker 3: I ran in and they gave me the big old
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Speaker 3: cup and I went and got a cup. And I'm
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Speaker 3: trying to do unsweet tea more than anything else. Right there,
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Speaker 3: it said something about refills only on this visit, only
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Speaker 3: on this visit. Who takes the refill cup and then
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Speaker 3: comes back with the empty cup? Are you Are you
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Speaker 3: talking about that or are you talking about people who
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Speaker 3: stay in the store and just consume so much fluid
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Speaker 3: that they're drinking like twelve seven ups in in one visit.
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Speaker 4: Well, McDonald's was a little tight lipped about the reason
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Speaker 4: their Their official explanation is we're doing this due to
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Speaker 4: changing consumer habits. Uh huh, Well, I know what it means.
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Speaker 4: You know what it means. People are abusing it. People
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Speaker 4: are getting eleven.
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Speaker 3: But what does that abuse look like there and just
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Speaker 3: going washing their system out with soda for four hours?
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Speaker 3: I mean, how much can you drink in one visit?
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Speaker 4: I think the argument is if you're running a business
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Speaker 4: and you sell, and you're in the business of selling
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Speaker 4: burgers and fries and drinks, you're going to expect that
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Speaker 4: you buy one soda and if you want to buy
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Speaker 4: another soda, you got to pay for it. You don't
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Speaker 4: get a free burger.
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Speaker 2: That was that was my next question. Of course, I
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Speaker 2: get a refill.
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Speaker 3: What I would think so if I okay, if I'm
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Speaker 3: and I counted in the order of the let. I
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Speaker 3: can't remember the last time I went to a fast
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Speaker 3: food place.
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Speaker 2: You know what? It was a Wendy's dog on it. It
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Speaker 2: was Wendy's.
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Speaker 3: I was getting a I was getting a car inspection
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Speaker 3: at a quick car and uh and there and they
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Speaker 3: would take thirty minutes. So I walked literally next door
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Speaker 3: to a Wendy, sat down, had a burger and a
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Speaker 3: something or whatever sitting there in the store. And it
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Speaker 3: was fine, it was lovely. I was in and out
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Speaker 3: of there in thirty minutes. Did I I guarantee I
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Speaker 3: got a root beer refill, cuff me and lead me away.
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Speaker 4: Well, I know Chick fil A, they kind of encourage refills.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I've been in Chick fil A and I'll
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Speaker 4: have a diet coke with my chicken sandwich and my
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Speaker 4: waffle fries, and I go back and can sure, here's
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Speaker 4: a refill. But McDonald's clearly said enough is enough. People
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Speaker 4: are cheating, and in response, this is why I wanted
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Speaker 4: to start the day with this announcement. Chipotle has weighed in.
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Speaker 4: The Chipotle CEO Scott Boatwright says customers should just ask
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Speaker 4: for more food on their orders. He said, I promise you.
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Speaker 4: There's never a team member on that line who is
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Speaker 4: going to say no to you. You want more food
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Speaker 4: at Chipotle, just ask for it and they'll give it
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Speaker 4: to you.
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Speaker 2: They're going to rue the day. They're going to rue
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Speaker 2: the day.
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Speaker 4: Well, Murphy, the clumps, remember the clumpy coming to the buffet.
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Speaker 4: Whole family showed up. They just terrorized the buffet line.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 3: Last thing before we get to it's a head snapping
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Speaker 3: change of tone. Also sitting famous here on the eminem
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Speaker 3: Extra rank them clumsily. McDonald's is just King of the
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Speaker 3: hill to me, always has been.
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Speaker 4: You agree, disagree? It's Chick fil a is in a
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Speaker 4: league all of its own. There's nothing that comes close
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Speaker 4: to Chick fil A. Nothing comes close to the food, quality,
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Speaker 4: the service, the quality, the cleanliness of the restaurant. Not
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Speaker 4: even I love McDonald as I told you a moment,
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Speaker 4: I love me McDonald my McDonald's, But Chick fil A's in.
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Speaker 4: It's the big leagues of fast food and everybody.
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Speaker 3: Much Okay, how much of your opinion on Chick fil A?
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Speaker 3: Is it possible that your view of their good not
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Speaker 3: great food is accentuated by how much we love the
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Speaker 3: brand love the people, love their politics, love their values.
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Speaker 2: Totally that that's a B B plus.
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Speaker 4: But but it's totally irrelevant because if you go in there,
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Speaker 4: there's no other experience. What do you mean, B B plus?
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Speaker 4: You don't think it's just it's just it's just okay,
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Speaker 4: it's okay. Really yeah, Well it's all subjective.
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Speaker 3: Here's a speaking of a head snapping uh concept. It
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Speaker 3: is a better chicken sandwich at what a Burger? Yet
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Speaker 3: I consider what a Burger's burger to be wildly overrated.
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Speaker 4: Me too, I think Burger's overrated.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm gonna get the last F and M
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Speaker 2: extra everybody.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna get Bud Kennedy mad at me again. Bud
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Speaker 4: Kennedy's gonna write another column mocking me because I said
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Speaker 4: I admitted once I didn't like doctor Pepper came out.
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Speaker 4: How can you be a Texas talk show host and
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Speaker 4: not like uh and not like doctor Pepper? All right,
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Speaker 4: we are last thing.
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Speaker 2: Last thing.
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Speaker 3: There's a place I used to I think I used
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Speaker 3: to like because I was in there a lot, and
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Speaker 3: maybe I just I can't tell you the last time
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Speaker 3: I was at a Burger Gang. And I totally remember, uh, It's.
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Speaker 2: Okay. The whopper. It takes two hands. It takes two
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Speaker 2: hands to handle the whopper. The burger is a bigger
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Speaker 2: at burger king, But who was? What's another joy? If
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Speaker 2: you've done burger king in forever.
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Speaker 4: There is nothing like the If heaven doesn't have a whopper,
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Speaker 4: I don't want to go nine thousand calories for one.
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Speaker 2: But hey, you know, but get the diet.
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Speaker 4: That's right, wash all right, eminem eminem extra here we go.
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Speaker 4: Let's uh, let's do a head snapping turn. Let's get
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Speaker 4: very serious for a couple of minutes. Mark, because you
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Speaker 4: and I I've wanted to talk about this for a
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Speaker 4: long time. I'm I'm absolutely riveted by the way a
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Speaker 4: lot of good and decent people have turned against Erica Kirk.
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Speaker 4: So let's go back.
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Speaker 2: Let's rewind.
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Speaker 4: It was September tenth last year when Charlie Kirk was
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Speaker 4: seated at Utah State University and an assassin's bullet ripped
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Speaker 4: through his body and took him from us. I still
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Speaker 4: can't get over it. You know, it's funny when a
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Speaker 4: friend and I don't know about you. I think you
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Speaker 4: and I've talked about this. Have you ever had a
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Speaker 4: friend or a colleague murdered before. Now, No, no, this
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Speaker 4: is the first for me because I obviously.
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Speaker 2: We were guys. You your text buddies. I mean, he would.
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Speaker 4: Listen to me in Phoenix. He grew up on talk radio,
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Speaker 4: and Andrew Colevett once shared that Charlie grew up on
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Speaker 4: Rush Limbaugh and Mike Gallagher and his parents listened to me,
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Speaker 4: and that's so neat. And and Charlie had this deep
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Speaker 4: love and respect for our medium. And so Charlie would
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Speaker 4: occasionally text me because I'm live in Phoenix on nine
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Speaker 4: sixty am AM nine sixty in KKNT in Phoenix. Uh
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Speaker 4: and in morning, drive out there, and Charlie would listen
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Speaker 4: to me on his way to work and would have
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Speaker 4: been invariably text me a comment or some support or hey,
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Speaker 4: you're right on the money, Mike whatever. So, yeah, we
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Speaker 4: were friends. I've never known anybody who's been killed. I mean,
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Speaker 4: this is the first person that I've ever experienced this
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Speaker 4: kind of a loss. And Mark the loss to this
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Speaker 4: day is as profound as anything any of us, I
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Speaker 4: think collectively as a conservative movement, have experienced, because frankly,
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Speaker 4: I think his assassination up ended a lot of a
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Speaker 4: lot of people from from the course we were on
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Speaker 4: the unity that the cohesiveness. I think I think Charlie's
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Speaker 4: murder really really messed that up.
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Speaker 3: I know we're going to get to the weird dynamic
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Speaker 3: of what's what's people's problem with Erica, But before we
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Speaker 3: get there, let's spend a little bit on Charlie and
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Speaker 3: what we lost. And we talked. You mentioned something. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I knew this had happened. We're now in a world
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Speaker 3: of blur where I often don't remember whether you mentioned
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Speaker 3: something to me in a previous podcast or a previous
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Speaker 3: radios But it doesn't matter what you once told me
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Speaker 3: that that in a discussion, I totally lost where I's
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Speaker 3: going that oh I really did literally blank, but I'd
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Speaker 3: say the place I.
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Speaker 2: Was going and.
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Speaker 4: When I came on, and nobody cares because it's podcast,
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Speaker 4: we don't exactly exactly, we don't need brakes.
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Speaker 3: We'll take there, we'll take care of it in post production.
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Speaker 3: There is no post production, is the real deal.
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Speaker 4: That's okay.
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Speaker 3: I know where I know where I was, I know
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Speaker 3: where I was ultimately going, and and it was this,
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Speaker 3: uh that when we bingo algorithms, you made a reference
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Speaker 3: to something that that keeps getting fed back into your
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Speaker 3: Twitter feed, and uh, and we've all seen that, whether
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Speaker 3: it's our Facebook or this or devices listening to us,
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Speaker 3: there's something I'm doing, either on Facebook or Instagram. I
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Speaker 3: think it knows that I like the clips of Charlie
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Speaker 3: mixing up with college students, the very environment where he
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Speaker 3: breathed his last. And so since the Internet knows that
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Speaker 3: I like this, like an over eager assistant, it says, oh,
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Speaker 3: you like that, here's some more, mister Davis, I probably
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Speaker 3: have seen just one hundred chips eclipse of Charlie doing
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Speaker 3: that exact thing.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 3: No, never say nobody like there'll never be another Beatles,
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Speaker 3: you know, but I don't. There will be people who
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Speaker 3: will venture into into that space and do a great job.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that anyone will ever with that kind
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Speaker 3: of mastery. Sit and listen to these folks, and you
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Speaker 3: won't necessarily change every mind in a given college campus, please,
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Speaker 3: but they will come away saying, Wow, that conservative and
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Speaker 3: godly young man listened to me, showed me respect, let
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Speaker 3: me say something, and did not condemn me. And the
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Speaker 3: last thing I'll say about this is the to tie
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Speaker 3: it right into something as fresh as today's headlines. There
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Speaker 3: was one and I think I think Erica posted this
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Speaker 3: to get us into Erica closely here that when we
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Speaker 3: stopped talking, that's when people start.
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Speaker 2: Violent.
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Speaker 3: Violence rushes in to fill the vacuum when we feel
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Speaker 3: we can't talk to each other anymore. Conversation and the
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Speaker 3: willingness to engage with goodwill can go a long way
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Speaker 3: toward tamping down the sharp edges of people who would
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Speaker 3: enter into the fray of debate with violence.
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Speaker 4: Well, and the problem is, in this case and others,
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Speaker 4: the attempt is to use violence to silence the voice permanently,
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Speaker 4: and in Charlie's case, they did. I often think about
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Speaker 4: the young people in that crowd who were all gathered
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Speaker 4: around that tent. They all saw him get shot, you know,
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Speaker 4: And in fact, there was a horrific video that was
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Speaker 4: and if you've noticed, thankfully it's been kind of scrub
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Speaker 4: from the internet. I'm glad that you can't find it anymore.
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Speaker 4: Not that I've looked for it, but it doesn't pop
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Speaker 4: up in my feet anymore where So when the moment,
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Speaker 4: the bullet, the impact, it was all captured on tape
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Speaker 4: and camera and all those kids saw it. They were
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Speaker 4: standing there within a few feet of him, watching him
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Speaker 4: get gun down. Now I think about the trauma that
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Speaker 4: they experienced, and then I think about the love of
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Speaker 4: his life, the woman that he chose to try to
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Speaker 4: grow old with, the woman who was the mother of
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Speaker 4: his children. And I think about the pain, the anguish,
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Speaker 4: the sorrow, the suffering that Erica Kirk has had to experience.
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Speaker 4: And she was also I'll say the word burdened. I
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Speaker 4: don't mean burden, but tasked with the unenviable role of
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Speaker 4: taking over Turning Point USA. And as the story has
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Speaker 4: been told, this is something that was Charlie's wish that
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Speaker 4: he knew and look and he knew his life was
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Speaker 4: in jeopardy. He told me in a green room in
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Speaker 4: Phoenix a few years ago that about the money that
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Speaker 4: he had, he and the organization had to spend on
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Speaker 4: his personal security. And he told me, I'm not worried
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Speaker 4: about myself, you know, that's in God's hands. I worry
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Speaker 4: about Erica and the kids. I worry about my family.
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Speaker 4: I worry about my mom and dad. You know, he
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Speaker 4: took security very very seriously. So I think about this
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Speaker 4: young woman. She's now taking overturning point. She is now
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Speaker 4: having to forge ahead, raise these kids by herself, deal
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Speaker 4: with the enormity of that loss. And Mark, there are
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Speaker 4: plenty of people who have no problem attacking her, criticizing her.
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Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about the Candice Owens of the world,
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Speaker 4: forget that for a moment. I'm talking about good, decent people.
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Speaker 4: I can give you three people like Charlie who liked,
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Speaker 4: loved Charlie Charlie.
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Speaker 2: And maybe liked her while Charlie was alive.
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Speaker 4: So what in the world compels somebody and who? And
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Speaker 4: I've been having this, this running argument. It got so
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Speaker 4: ugly that I told this, dear friend of mine, I
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Speaker 4: can't do it anymore. We can't keep arguing about this.
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Speaker 4: You feel this way about Erica, I don't get it.
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Speaker 4: I think your heart is hardened. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 4: But Mark, you and I have kind of picked at
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Speaker 4: this a little bit. Can you try to make sense
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Speaker 4: of somebody? You know? You mentioned a couple of weeks ago,
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Speaker 4: Alex Jones and the Sandy Hook parents and those families,
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Speaker 4: and how awful it must be for them to have
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Speaker 4: been targeted by conspiracy theorists and theorists and people who
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Speaker 4: went after these families, how terrible to lose their kid
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Speaker 4: and then be attacked. Well, it's no different with Erica.
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Speaker 4: She loses her husband, and now she's subjected to ridicule,
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Speaker 4: to derision, to judgmental people who don't like what she wears,
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Speaker 4: who don't like what she says, who don't like what
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Speaker 4: in the actual hell is with these people, many of
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Speaker 4: whom are very good and decent folks.
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Speaker 3: So theory time here on eminem extra clumsy theory time
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Speaker 3: theory under construction, riffing on the fly time. It is
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Speaker 3: possible that whoever followed Charlie was going to be disliked,
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Speaker 3: because nobody can ever be Charlie, even his widow.
19:05
Speaker 2: It is possible that the pain runs so deep.
19:11
Speaker 3: They're just so bitter that Charlie is gone, and so
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Speaker 3: depressed at the void that he leaves, that anybody seeking
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Speaker 3: to fill that void is going to feel the brunt
19:24
Speaker 3: of resistance and ire and resentment, no matter who it is,
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Speaker 3: even his widow.
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Speaker 2: Because I because the only alternative. I can't think that
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Speaker 2: there's anything about her.
19:39
Speaker 3: Is there something about the manner in which she has
19:43
Speaker 3: taken up this mantle has she done it badly. Has
19:46
Speaker 3: she had any clumsy moments? I think quite the opposite.
19:50
Speaker 3: There's almost a list you can make. Have you ever
19:52
Speaker 3: heard somebody say, if she since Charlie's death, it was
19:58
Speaker 3: September tenth, right day before nine, one yep. If she was,
20:05
Speaker 3: If she was at a month later, if she managed
20:08
Speaker 3: to crack a smile, it was like she's being flippant
20:13
Speaker 3: about Charlie's death. If she was, If she showed up
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Speaker 3: at an event, well she sure got over that too,
20:20
Speaker 3: got over that past. If she didn't show up at
20:23
Speaker 3: an event as well, she's ducking the media or ducking accountabilities.
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Speaker 2: Like no matter what she does, it's wrong.
20:31
Speaker 3: And I don't know I put together half a clumsy list.
20:34
Speaker 3: What might you think would be driving the people who
20:37
Speaker 3: just are giving her a tough run.
20:40
Speaker 4: I'll share with you what a lot of people in
20:41
Speaker 4: our audience have said to me. A lot of people
20:44
Speaker 4: theorize it's just petty jealousy. They just don't like the
20:51
Speaker 4: supposed life of privilege that she has. She's taken care of,
20:55
Speaker 4: allegedly for life. By turning point, she's flying around on
20:59
Speaker 4: private jets, she's glamorous, she's they're just because a lot
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Speaker 4: of the people that have this contempt, frankly are coming
21:08
Speaker 4: from women, women that kind of middle aged or boomer
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Speaker 4: aged ladies, white women who will just hate her.
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Speaker 2: They just okay, then what would make them happy?
21:19
Speaker 3: What would be if she just were to slink off
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Speaker 3: into obscurity, just go live in a two hundred thousand
21:27
Speaker 3: dollars house in Scottsdale and never be.
21:29
Speaker 2: Heard from again, then would they be okay with her?
21:31
Speaker 4: So, I mean, well, look at look at Jason rit
21:35
Speaker 4: You like Jason.
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Speaker 2: Jason Fearless, fearless podcast.
21:38
Speaker 4: Provocative guy, and he is he is anti Erica too,
21:44
Speaker 4: And yep. His position is Erica needs to be home
21:48
Speaker 4: raising those kids. She doesn't need to be in the workplace.
21:52
Speaker 4: It's too much for her, isn't that well the finish finish.
21:57
Speaker 4: She shouldn't be in the workplace. She needs to be
21:59
Speaker 4: home with her children. They are grieving, they need a mom.
22:03
Speaker 4: She doesn't need to be flying around the country. And
22:06
Speaker 4: he has been very critical.
22:08
Speaker 3: Of Whitlock is a traditionalist. I mean, that's part of
22:15
Speaker 3: why I love him. His notion about how young athletes
22:17
Speaker 3: ought to behave about standards we used to uphold that
22:21
Speaker 3: we don't anymore.
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Speaker 2: I'm a kind of a big Jason Whitlock fan.
22:25
Speaker 3: I think I can divine where that's coming from. But
22:30
Speaker 3: I don't know. She can't handle it is a weird take.
22:34
Speaker 3: But if somebody is an ultra traditionalist, and I got
22:37
Speaker 3: to tell you, the Charlie and Erica Kirk marriage was
22:40
Speaker 3: a very traditional cauldron of values, and that set of
22:45
Speaker 3: values might say that if you are a single mom,
22:50
Speaker 3: maybe you don't need to be flitting around the country
22:53
Speaker 3: a lot.
22:54
Speaker 2: Maybe he do need to be.
22:56
Speaker 3: Maybe you're not going to be the most present mom
22:58
Speaker 3: you can be to some all he admittedly traumatized kids.
23:02
Speaker 3: If you're doing the Turning Point USA thing one hundred
23:06
Speaker 3: days a year, it's not a terrible point.
23:09
Speaker 4: His point was, and I'm quoting here because this was
23:12
Speaker 4: after she posted that video a few weeks ago where
23:15
Speaker 4: she responded to her critics. Jason said that her reaction
23:20
Speaker 4: via that video showed she's not ready to lead a
23:23
Speaker 4: major political group like Turning Point. He said she should
23:26
Speaker 4: step down and focus on her family instead. That he
23:30
Speaker 4: just he questioned her public appearances. He didn't like her
23:34
Speaker 4: going to the White House correspondence dinner. He said her
23:37
Speaker 4: explanations did not make sense to him. And that's the
23:40
Speaker 4: part that just slays me.
23:44
Speaker 3: Because exactly because if somebody has that ultra traditionalist view
23:47
Speaker 3: that I've just described, okay, but he seems to be
23:49
Speaker 3: going a few steps beyond that and just being mean.
23:52
Speaker 4: It's well they are, but that's the meanness is the point,
23:56
Speaker 4: and this meanness is coming from good people. This is
23:59
Speaker 4: what this is what's so peculiar about it. And I
24:02
Speaker 4: even said to this friend of mine he had that
24:04
Speaker 4: we had a text exchange. It was very contentious and
24:06
Speaker 4: we had a back and forth and we said, I
24:08
Speaker 4: said to him, look, do you think this is kind?
24:11
Speaker 4: Do you think this is she's a young mother, she's
24:14
Speaker 4: a young wife. Well, she's a phony. She's an opportunist.
24:19
Speaker 4: She's a gold digger. That's the other name that they
24:21
Speaker 4: keep using against her. A gold digger. She lost her husband.
24:25
Speaker 2: There's no gold left to dig. Thank you?
24:28
Speaker 3: Left is the is the pot of gold that her
24:30
Speaker 3: magnificent husband left by virtue of what he was able
24:33
Speaker 3: to earn and what he was able to do. Oh lord, everybody,
24:38
Speaker 3: everybody here, thanks for being here with us. On M
24:40
Speaker 3: and M extra Then what's how did Okay, how to
24:45
Speaker 3: tie a bow around? This is what since Charlie's gone,
24:49
Speaker 3: and and I think you would join me in saying
24:51
Speaker 3: Erica has done a wonderful job in his in his wake,
24:56
Speaker 3: in his aftermath, but she ate Charlie.
24:59
Speaker 2: Nobody ever will be. So what do we do?
25:01
Speaker 3: I think we consider it a pretty important thing to
25:05
Speaker 3: attract new to pitch conservatism to young people and sell it.
25:11
Speaker 2: Well, so how do we do that?
25:13
Speaker 4: Well, that's I think we have.
25:15
Speaker 2: It's we are.
25:17
Speaker 4: We have a heavy responsibility to enlighten people of all ages,
25:21
Speaker 4: to show people to continue the tradition. You and I
25:24
Speaker 4: talked about it in the days after Charlie was killed.
25:26
Speaker 4: We got to carry the torch, you know. I mean,
25:28
Speaker 4: I'm not willing to go into a college campus full
25:32
Speaker 4: of purple haired, nos ering wearing kids, but I am
25:35
Speaker 4: willing to stick true to my beliefs, to stick to
25:40
Speaker 4: our values, to deliver the message of conservatism in a
25:43
Speaker 4: way that is palpable to young people. Because there's a
25:47
Speaker 4: lot of good things that are still happening. I just worry,
25:51
Speaker 4: I kind of despair, and I want to spend the
25:55
Speaker 4: final few minutes with you, Mark talking about these influencers
25:59
Speaker 4: who all at each other's throats. It's become such a
26:04
Speaker 4: crap show. And I'm talking about Candae with Erica, Megan, Kelly, Tucker, Carlson,
26:12
Speaker 4: Alex Jones, many others turning against President Trump. Have you
26:16
Speaker 4: noticed that this is all a really recent occurrence. For
26:21
Speaker 4: the longest time, all of these conservative influencers were pretty
26:27
Speaker 4: much we were all pretty unified. That doesn't mean we're
26:30
Speaker 4: necessarily in lockstep agreement with every single thing we believe in.
26:33
Speaker 4: You and I, Lord knows, we disagree enough. I mean,
26:36
Speaker 4: but nonetheless, there was America Mattered, the Make America Great
26:42
Speaker 4: Again movement, All of that counted. Now there's fractures. Ben Shapiro,
26:48
Speaker 4: Let's bring Ben Shapiro into the mix. They seem to
26:50
Speaker 4: be celebrating some financial challenges that Daily Wire is allegedly experiencing. Lord, yep,
26:58
Speaker 4: they laid off a number of people a few weeks ago. Uh,
27:01
Speaker 4: they're supposedly biting off more than they can chew. They're
27:04
Speaker 4: trying to do action move. I don't know, I don't care.
27:06
Speaker 4: I love these guys. I love I frankly have liked
27:09
Speaker 4: all of these people who have turned on each other,
27:13
Speaker 4: though it's the weirdest thing. And Mark, something has has sparked,
27:18
Speaker 4: this something has lit.
27:20
Speaker 2: I don't want.
27:21
Speaker 3: To oversimplify, but if you take a look, if we
27:23
Speaker 3: draw where the battle lines are drawn, the people who
27:26
Speaker 3: have is it possible to draw a big circle called
27:28
Speaker 3: Israel around the Megan and Tucker and whoever else and
27:33
Speaker 3: Candice half of that sa you have the people who
27:35
Speaker 3: have decided to hate Israel's guts even if their performative
27:40
Speaker 3: nonsense hurts us in the mid terms, they don't care.
27:45
Speaker 3: And these these these all of these people you know,
27:47
Speaker 3: kind of fun. You've you've superbly brought it around because Megan,
27:51
Speaker 3: I don't know how old Megan or Canvas or or
27:53
Speaker 3: all these folks are, but they're not seventy and they
27:56
Speaker 3: they could have been and still can if they pull
27:59
Speaker 3: their heads. They could have been a value in trying
28:03
Speaker 3: to make this country better by bringing young people into conservatism.
28:07
Speaker 3: And it doesn't have to be Mark Davis or Mike
28:09
Speaker 3: Gallagher or Ben Shapiro or even Donald Trump's style conservatism,
28:12
Speaker 3: but just have everybody unified to know that Democrats.
28:16
Speaker 2: Are a horrible option.
28:18
Speaker 3: If you have sixty years of life ahead of you,
28:21
Speaker 3: if you're a young person coming out of college or
28:23
Speaker 3: a young adult trying to start a business or trying
28:25
Speaker 3: to start a family. Thank god, Kamala Harris did not win,
28:28
Speaker 3: and thank god that we should have the ability to
28:32
Speaker 3: prevent democrats gaining power. That is the messaging they could
28:37
Speaker 3: be doing. But they're too busy with with with bagging
28:40
Speaker 3: on Israel and garnering cliques for themselves.
28:43
Speaker 4: You know, there'd be a fascinating book that could be
28:46
Speaker 4: written about this chapter of these influencers and podcasters and broadcasters,
28:51
Speaker 4: because I guarantee you one of them went first. One
28:55
Speaker 4: of them decided, I'm going to turn on Trump. I
28:59
Speaker 4: don't like Israel. I think Israel has an outsized role
29:02
Speaker 4: in our foreign policy. Maybe I'm even an anti Semite.
29:05
Speaker 4: I don't know what's in their hearts or their heads,
29:07
Speaker 4: but one of them did it, and then the rest
29:09
Speaker 4: of them said, you know what, that's a path that
29:11
Speaker 4: I can follow. And then before you know it, because
29:14
Speaker 4: you think about it, this list these folks who are
29:17
Speaker 4: some of the most prominent podcasters on the planet. Maybe
29:21
Speaker 4: Tucker Alex Candice, what's the comics named Dave Smith to
29:27
Speaker 4: some extent, Joe Rogan they'll they've all turned on him.
29:30
Speaker 4: They've all abandoned the past support that they had for
29:34
Speaker 4: President Trump, which Mark like it or not, that's going
29:37
Speaker 4: to hurt us in November. It's going to come back
29:40
Speaker 4: to bite us. It's going to come back to buy
29:42
Speaker 4: so many shit. It's kind of funny. I don't think
29:44
Speaker 4: i'll write the book. I can title it pod Forsaken,
29:47
Speaker 4: how some people chose to rank other things just ahead
29:51
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29:53
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29:56
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