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Reprogramming Consciousness with Masati · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Therapist Podcast. My name is Guy McPherson.
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  Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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  Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. A big thank you
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  Speaker 1: So five, four, three, two, one. All right, folks, welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the podcast. Very excited to have as my
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  Speaker 1: guest today, Masati Mas. Welcome. Thanks, Guy.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Mas is a teacher, speaker, and founder of
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  Speaker 1: Exponential Intelligence, whose work grew out of three near-death experiences
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  Speaker 1: that profoundly changed his understanding of consciousness and human potential.
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  Speaker 1: His first occurred at age 22, his second during a
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  Speaker 1: 2006 whitewater rafting accident, and his third in 2022 when
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  Speaker 1: his heart stopped after he was hospitalized in Peru. These
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  Speaker 1: experiences led Moss to develop exponential intelligence, an approach centered
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  Speaker 1: on consciousness, frequency, and identifying the deeper patterns he believes
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  Speaker 1: shape human behavior and experience. All right, Moss, just a
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  Speaker 1: little bit about you. But before we get going, share
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  Speaker 1: with our listeners where you're from originally and where you
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  Speaker 1: are currently.
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  Speaker 2: Originally, I was born in Afghanistan.
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  Speaker 3: I was about five years old right before the Soviet
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  Speaker 3: invasion happened. My father was a prominent doctor, so we
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  Speaker 3: moved to Minnesota. And I'm in Minnesota ever since, although
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  Speaker 3: I travel the world.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. All right. So how does all this start for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, the first near-death experience, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: have near-death experiences, Guy, but I really wanted to understand
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  Speaker 3: what the universe was about, what life was about. Everybody
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  Speaker 3: is going, if we do this, if we make a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money, if we create technology, if we do this,
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  Speaker 3: we'll be happy.
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  Speaker 2: But, I mean, look at it, Guy. Look around us.
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  Speaker 3: We've got the latest technology, the latest, say, medical advancements,
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  Speaker 3: and we're the sickest, say, society ever.
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  Speaker 2: Why is that?
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  Speaker 3: So those are the questions that I wanted to be–
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  Speaker 3: I want answers from when I was in my early
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  Speaker 3: 20s and that was the first near-death experience where it
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  Speaker 3: showed me. It's like, okay, do you really want to
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  Speaker 3: know these answers?
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  Speaker 2: And I go, yeah, I do. And that was the
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  Speaker 2: first near-death where I had.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, Moss, Moss, Moss, Moss. You're skipping all the great
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  Speaker 1: details here. Oh, sorry. So what happened?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a college job and I– Kind of
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  Speaker 3: depressed because I was noting that the religions really didn't solve.
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  Speaker 3: I read the religious books, the spiritual books, and they
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  Speaker 3: still had a lot of questions unanswered for me.
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  Speaker 2: And I go, I want more.
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  Speaker 3: They were good, but again, there was a lot left.
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  Speaker 3: So I went towards the success side. So I was
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  Speaker 3: going to college, and I used to work at a warehouse.
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  Speaker 3: And I used to unload rail cars. And the rail car,
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  Speaker 3: you know, inside they have these moving walls, platforms, about
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  Speaker 3: 500 to 700.
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  Speaker 2: Pounds, you know, these moving walls. So it was stuck.
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  Speaker 3: And I was pretty athletic then. So I climbed up
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  Speaker 3: in about 12 feet, climbed up and started pulling. And
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  Speaker 3: my teammates pulled from underneath. And this wall just gave way.
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  Speaker 2: And it just slid across.
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  Speaker 3: And well, my jaw got stuck in between the ceiling
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  Speaker 3: member and the wall.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just like, oh, my God. So if it
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  Speaker 2: was like down here, I.
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  Speaker 3: Probably would not be speaking to you. But it was
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  Speaker 3: like right here. So I could hear the crack. of
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  Speaker 3: my jaw, and then I was out. And this was
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  Speaker 3: the coolest thing, where I'm looking at myself. I'm literally hovering,
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  Speaker 3: just like in the movies. I'm hovering, and I'm going,
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  Speaker 3: what am I doing there if I am over here?
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  Speaker 3: Because my consciousness, that intelligence that was there before you
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  Speaker 3: had a brain, before you were a single cell. Some
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  Speaker 3: people call it spirit. I call it timeless self. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of science behind it, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what we do.
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  Speaker 3: That's what we research at exponential intelligence now. But I
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  Speaker 3: started to realize this is like, gosh, I'm really limited
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  Speaker 3: in this body of mine. It was a beautiful body,
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  Speaker 3: but I'm going, damn, that's, you know, I'm limited. And
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  Speaker 3: then I forgot about the physical form because the brilliance
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  Speaker 3: that was out there, the potential that was out there,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that attracted me more.
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  Speaker 2: And I went in and I started to understand why
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  Speaker 2: we're here.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. So that was after that first experience?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the first near death.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Okay. So you came during that. You said you
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  Speaker 1: had this kind of out-of-body experience. And just say a
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  Speaker 1: little more about what happened immediately after that. How did
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  Speaker 1: it impact you?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So you go through the standard life review, but it's
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  Speaker 3: more of a life where you live.
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  Speaker 2: You start to understand why things happen the.
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  Speaker 1: Way they do. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, it's time to come back. And
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  Speaker 2: I stepped back in.
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  Speaker 3: And then I don't know how I got to the hospital,
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  Speaker 3: but I woke up with my jaws wired shut. So
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how long I was out. But it
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  Speaker 3: was the most euphoric, say, three months. Because I wasn't living.
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  Speaker 2: From this platform.
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  Speaker 3: I was living from a higher understanding of who we
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  Speaker 3: are in living form. And things just tasted better, although
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  Speaker 3: I had to sip through a straw no matter what
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  Speaker 3: it was. I'd crush my hamburger up and just kind
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  Speaker 3: of feed myself. I couldn't move my mouth. So I
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  Speaker 3: had to sip everything for three, four months. But the colors, God,
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  Speaker 3: was unbelievable. The beauty that I saw things, even the most, say,
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  Speaker 3: distorted things in this reality, illness and so on, I
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  Speaker 3: started to see, say, the beauty behind it all. And
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  Speaker 3: then I got a deeper understanding on why things happen
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  Speaker 3: the way they do.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: But prior to this, you talked a little bit about
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  Speaker 1: wanting more answers than the religious books had provided. Was
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  Speaker 1: that kind of a preparatory stage for you? Were you
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  Speaker 1: wired this way?
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  Speaker 3: I think I was wired this way because as a
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  Speaker 3: young kid, I was always.
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  Speaker 2: An observer of people.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, why is mom doing that? Why is dad
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  Speaker 3: doing that? Because as a young kid, and we all
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  Speaker 3: go through this, as a young child, we have this
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  Speaker 3: handbook that's just innately built in us.
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  Speaker 2: And you're six, seven.
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  Speaker 3: Years old and you're going, why is mom or dad
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  Speaker 3: doing this if the handbook says this, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: this is where we ask a lot of questions, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but the thing is, is like mom and dad doesn't,
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  Speaker 3: didn't really follow the handbook. It's kind of like going
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  Speaker 3: to Ikea, you know, and you don't, you don't read
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  Speaker 3: the manual, you know, and.
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  Speaker 2: You put something together. It's like, shit, it doesn't look
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  Speaker 2: the way it should. And that's the way life is,
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  Speaker 2: you know?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going, well, so I'm, I basically nowadays just
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  Speaker 3: like reteach what we knew back then.
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  Speaker 2: Simple. All right.
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  Speaker 1: So after that first experience, you come away, how would
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  Speaker 1: you describe yourself? Just more alive?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, more enlightened, more awakened. I started to have abilities.
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  Speaker 2: I could see things.
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  Speaker 3: I could just walk by anybody and go, oh, that
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  Speaker 3: person has kidney issues.
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  Speaker 2: That person has you know, marital issues.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was just like all, all the information
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  Speaker 3: that you are, that creates your life.
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  Speaker 2: You're always say broadcasting that guy.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So what do you do? What do you do
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  Speaker 1: with this? What do you do personally? Do you go
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  Speaker 1: back to work, go back to school? What do you do? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I went back to school, you know, uh, went back
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  Speaker 3: to work, but everything changed. Um, Everything changed in my life.
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  Speaker 3: I was seeing things from an elevated place. And then
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  Speaker 3: you get kind of stuck into the paradigm of the workforce,
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  Speaker 3: getting married and so on like that. And that led
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  Speaker 3: me to the second near death. Made a lot of money,
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  Speaker 3: lived in a multimillion dollar home, had a yacht, all
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  Speaker 3: that stuff. But it's like I was really empty inside.
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  Speaker 3: And the relationship wasn't that great. And I had beautiful kids.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going, well, I have everything. but why does it
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  Speaker 3: feel so bad? So that led me to the big
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  Speaker 3: question is like, what am I searching for? I grew
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  Speaker 3: up in an affluent family and my father was a
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  Speaker 3: great doctor. He'd have clients over and they're high level
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  Speaker 3: individuals and I'm looking at them, I'm going, they're not
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  Speaker 3: any happier than anybody else.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, what was that key?
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  Speaker 3: So the second near death, allowed me to understand the science,
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  Speaker 3: the math behind how to change, say, your life, how
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  Speaker 3: to really, say, claim who you are, how to, say,
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  Speaker 3: remove yourself of the diseases or the distortions or the
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  Speaker 3: trauma that most people inherit from their parents, their grandparents.
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  Speaker 2: Their society.
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  Speaker 3: We basically just burden the next generation over and over again.
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  Speaker 3: So the second near death was a drowning accident.
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  Speaker 1: How old were you at this point?
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  Speaker 3: The second of your death, I was in my 40s.
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  Speaker 3: So these near deaths literally happen approximately about every 20 years.
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  Speaker 2: It probably takes me that long.
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  Speaker 1: So you've had three, which just sounds wild to say.
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  Speaker 1: So go on. What happened in that second one?
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  Speaker 3: The second one was where it was an inner tubing accident.
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  Speaker 3: We were in Belize, and you know, we were in
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  Speaker 3: the river and the, you know, the guide goes, you know,
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  Speaker 3: interlock your legs because if you don't, you'll get pulled
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  Speaker 3: into the other tributaries. Somehow, guy, it was preordained or something,
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  Speaker 3: and I had to unlock my legs. Oh, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: they didn't have enough life jackets, so I opted not
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  Speaker 3: to have a life jacket. Well, I was a swimmer
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  Speaker 3: in high school, so I'm going, I can handle it.
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  Speaker 2: I've got an inner tube, right?
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  Speaker 3: So everything literally was preordained for me to have that, say,
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  Speaker 3: second education, like college-level education on how life works. It
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  Speaker 3: was quite amazing. So I got sucked into a cenotes, basically.
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  Speaker 2: The group went one way. As I unlocked, I literally,
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  Speaker 2: it was pretty rapid, you know, the water.
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  Speaker 3: And I just got sucked into another, another tributary and
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  Speaker 3: I got pulled into all the bowels of the earth.
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  Speaker 3: It was probably a lava tube back in the day.
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  Speaker 3: You know, now it's filled with water.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't get out.
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  Speaker 3: And there I ascended past, say, the people, you know,
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  Speaker 3: people call it, say, the tunnel of light. I ascended
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  Speaker 3: past that. I ascended past, say, the normal things people
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  Speaker 3: go through. And I peeked behind the curtain on how
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  Speaker 3: life works. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you peek behind, you know, and see how everything is working.
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  Speaker 3: And that gave me an education, a connection, right? So
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  Speaker 3: now I liken it to, like, say, Google. There's some
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  Speaker 3: background noise, but hopefully you can't hear it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't hear it.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect. I got a good mic. Anyway.
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  Speaker 3: So what happened, Guy, was that I went on the
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  Speaker 3: other side and I got connected to what I call
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  Speaker 3: the universal database. So anything that was... is and ever
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  Speaker 3: shall ever be, I have access to it. Because time doesn't,
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  Speaker 3: time isn't linear at that level. Time, like Einstein says,
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  Speaker 3: everything happens all at once if it wasn't for time
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  Speaker 3: and space.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm kind of like Google.
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  Speaker 3: If you ask me a question about anybody or anything,
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  Speaker 3: I can tap in and like pull down that resource.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like having AI, connection to AI.
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  Speaker 3: Instead of the logic of the internet, which is human data,
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  Speaker 3: I have access to, say, the universal knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what I teach.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm just trying to understand how things unfolded
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  Speaker 1: for you. During that second near-death experience, this is what
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  Speaker 1: you derived from it in the wake of it? Is
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  Speaker 1: that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So the second near death gave me the tools that
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  Speaker 3: I teach to others now on how to, well, change aging.
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  Speaker 3: I'm 65 years old myself. My blood tests and all
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  Speaker 3: that come way younger, man. That's what I do with people. Traumas,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I work with like military folks, you know,
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  Speaker 3: who've been suffering for trauma, PTSD for, you know, over
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  Speaker 3: a decade, 20 years or so. And through the therapies that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, we use, they recover. I don't claim to
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  Speaker 3: cure anybody or heal anybody, but I help you awaken
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  Speaker 3: your natural, say, uh, uh, your natural healing abilities.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get into that Moss more, more specifically what,
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  Speaker 1: what you do. Um, but okay. So, and then the
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  Speaker 1: third one happened what decade later?
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  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, the third one happened, uh, not too long ago.
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  Speaker 1: How, how are you, what do you, how are you
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  Speaker 1: making sense of these near death experiences?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, are you, Well, that's the key.
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  Speaker 1: But at that time, are you thinking, what the hell
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  Speaker 1: is going on here?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's the beautiful question because every near-death allowed me to, say,
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  Speaker 3: have more of an education on how this reality works.
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  Speaker 3: And so the world didn't really make sense to me
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  Speaker 3: after the second near-death.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, why are we doing the things that we're doing?
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  Speaker 3: Why are we, you know, you look at governance, you
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  Speaker 3: look at religions, and I'm going, that's not the way
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  Speaker 3: it should be. And we all know it deep inside,
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  Speaker 3: you know, but we just can't say, put words to it.
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  Speaker 3: So I put words to it. those things that people
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  Speaker 3: always ask. Why is the world this way? Why is
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  Speaker 3: God that way? Why is there so much disease and
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  Speaker 3: famine and so on? So yeah, it was dark nights
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  Speaker 3: of the soul for about three years, because I had
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  Speaker 3: to remove my identity. And your identity is based on
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  Speaker 3: belief systems, how you were raised, your genetics, societal patterns,
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  Speaker 3: generational patterns.
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  Speaker 2: So I had to clear all those.
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  Speaker 3: I had to clear the traumas that I went through.
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  Speaker 3: Or my parents and culture went through, right? So that
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  Speaker 3: was that process of the two or three years. And
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  Speaker 3: then that's where real solutions come through.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where real healing comes through.
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  Speaker 3: And I've been doing this for the past 14 years, Guy,
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  Speaker 3: where people get amazing results.
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  Speaker 2: So over the... And that was 14 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: So it took me a while to get pulled into this.
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  Speaker 1: So....
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  Speaker 3: I was a computer programmer by trade, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: How did I turn into, say, a spiritual or I
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  Speaker 3: would say an.
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  Speaker 2: Architect of life today?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would look at somebody and I would just
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  Speaker 3: tell them, it's like, oh, can I work on you?
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  Speaker 3: And I didn't even know what that meant. I just
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  Speaker 3: didn't know what that meant. But the second near death
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  Speaker 3: allowed me to go, oh, I can see how you're coded.
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  Speaker 3: I can see why you are where you are today.
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  Speaker 3: And I can see generations back. So within a second,
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to tell me anything about you. The
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  Speaker 3: second near death gave me the gift of knowing how
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  Speaker 3: people are coded and why they do what they do.
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  Speaker 1: And is that when you started to think, this is
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  Speaker 1: what I want to do Period? For work or what?
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  Speaker 3: Um, it's not like you think or decide guy, you
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  Speaker 3: just get pulled into it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was like family, family and friends, you know,
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  Speaker 2: would come to me.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, Moss, you worked on my headache and it
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  Speaker 3: just disappeared or whatever, you know? And then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like friends of friends would come by, you know, because
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  Speaker 3: they had no idea, you know, they've gone to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: their specialists for years and I'd go, well, take this test,
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  Speaker 3: do this and that. And again, I wasn't a doctor
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that, but, and it worked for them. Eventually,
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  Speaker 3: it just turned into a business. Literally, you get guided. Probably,
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  Speaker 3: I was meant to do this work.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. At what point did you decide
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  Speaker 1: to found your company? What's the goal of it? What
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  Speaker 1: do you do?
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  Speaker 3: About 14 years ago, I started the company, and it
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  Speaker 3: was more of a, say, healing practice. But then as
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  Speaker 3: it developed, I worked on close to 100,000 client sessions,
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  Speaker 3: which is a lot of people, because it doesn't take
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  Speaker 3: me hours to help people. It only takes me like 10,
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  Speaker 3: 15 minutes, and it's worth decades worth of therapy. Because
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  Speaker 3: I'm not changing people's mindsets. I'm changing, say, how you're coded,
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  Speaker 3: how you're programmed, how you're, I would say, your frequency
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  Speaker 3: genetics changed.
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  Speaker 2: Dictate your life so over the years.
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  Speaker 3: Guy and by about five years ago so yeah early
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  Speaker 3: 2019 you know around that time i started turning it
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  Speaker 3: into a research project where it's like well let's understand
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  Speaker 3: how i'm creating these amazing say scenarios or amazing healing
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  Speaker 3: for people.
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  Speaker 2: What am I opening up in these people? Because what
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  Speaker 2: I do is duplicatable.
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  Speaker 3: It's been repeated over and over and over again. And again,
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  Speaker 3: it's not just about physical things. It's about becoming a
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  Speaker 3: better human. So about five years ago, it was more
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  Speaker 3: of an exponential intelligence research institute where we studied Can frequencies,
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  Speaker 3: because I edit you at frequencies, I don't give you
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  Speaker 3: therapy or mental motivation or anything like that. Can frequencies, say,
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  Speaker 3: edit how somebody heals? If you change the frequency, can
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  Speaker 3: you change how people see wealth or health or anything else?
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  Speaker 3: And we get specific. Can a certain frequency, say, affect aging?
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  Speaker 3: And it has for tons of people.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So let's break this down a little bit. When
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  Speaker 1: you say you help people by editing their frequency, what
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  Speaker 1: does that mean? Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So think of it this way.
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  Speaker 3: There was an intelligence or a blueprint that created you
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  Speaker 3: before you were a single cell, right? There had to
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  Speaker 3: be a blueprint for you. Before you had a brain.
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  Speaker 3: The brain comes in, I don't know, weeks after you
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  Speaker 3: were conceived. So what was the intelligence that forms you?
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  Speaker 3: That intelligence from our research is derived of four ingredients.
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  Speaker 3: Your genetic patterns, you know, mom, dad, grandparents, and so on.
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  Speaker 3: Societal patterns, you know, culture, timeframes, you know, governments, and
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  Speaker 3: so on like that that dictate, you know.
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  Speaker 2: How you are born or or live uh your your.
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  Speaker 3: Life experience and then generational patterns you know like generation
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  Speaker 3: z you know baby boomers and all that right they
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  Speaker 3: all have tend to have like certain patterns so we
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  Speaker 3: study algorithms deep level algorithms even that created you that
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  Speaker 3: manifested you in physical form So that's the intelligence that
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  Speaker 3: we tap into or I have the ability to tap into.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, we all have these abilities. I
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  Speaker 2: just learned that.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone who has these abilities always says we all have
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  Speaker 1: these abilities. But I believe we do. But obviously there
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  Speaker 1: are different levels to this.
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  Speaker 2: There are different levels.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what I teach, you know, is like how
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  Speaker 3: to access it. So that's the frequency. So that's what
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: creates you. That's what, say, dictates. That basically is your
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: core programming. And then downriver, about, say, 10 steps downriver,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: you have your mental state. And this is where motivation,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: you know, Tony Robbins, Joe Dispenza, and all those great individuals,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: they have great content. But that's like building a house.
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  Speaker 3: We build the foundation, the infrastructure for that house. They
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: build medical communities, societies, science, technology, AI. That's the house.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't change the infrastructure that was there thousands
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  Speaker 3: of years ago. We're still running the same infrastructure. So
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  Speaker 3: I edit the infrastructure.
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  Speaker 1: I understand that theoretically. But specifically, what do you do?
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  Speaker 1: Someone comes into your office. Do you work one-on-one or
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  Speaker 1: in groups or what? Yes. Or both.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I would suggest working in groups first. Like we
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: do a lot of group hypermeditations. That really gets– that
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  Speaker 3: in itself changes people's lives, by the way. They're not
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  Speaker 3: your standard meditations. We literally reprogram you. So what I
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  Speaker 3: do is basically I can tap into you. Like I
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: can tap into you, Guy, and kind of just basically
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  Speaker 3: read you and go, oh, this is the pattern. This
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: is the natural pattern that you run. And there's usually
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  Speaker 3: one pattern that dictates somebody's lives. For example, if somebody
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  Speaker 3: is in trauma, they're in any aspect of their life. Health, wealth,
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  Speaker 3: relationships are basically trauma-based. If somebody lives, say, a lucky pattern,
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  Speaker 3: their life is usually lucky in all aspects of it.
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  Speaker 2: If you think about it. So usually I pinpoint one
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  Speaker 2: general theme or algorithm, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because that's why it's so accurate. It's not an emotion.
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  Speaker 3: It's an algorithm that you operate from. And we go
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  Speaker 3: down and see how that pattern started in you. And again,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you don't have to tell me. I ask you a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: couple of questions because I can read your blueprint basically
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  Speaker 3: on how you were rendered.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not a psychic, by the way.
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  Speaker 3: I see algorithms just like AI does. So I see
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: patterns in your life cycle. So from there, you open up, say,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that book, so to speak, and then at a frequency level,
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: just like by me and you talking, obviously I go
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  Speaker 3: deeper in that, I can.
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  Speaker 2: Edit somebody's, say, that original pattern.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a high-level computer programming code that I can, say,
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  Speaker 3: access and change for you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this sounds incredible. It sounds very intense. It sounds,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just for me to look at you and
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: to know that you've gone through three near-death experiences, highly unusual, right? Yes.
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  Speaker 1: What are the odds? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What are the odds?
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But look at all the miracles that happen, Guy. Look
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: at all the miracles that happen in people's lives.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Well, one might even argue that we are ourselves miracles, right?
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, we are. We're amazing. You know, I mean, trillions
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  Speaker 2: of stars. I mean, what's the chance that everything, you know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: weather patterns, everything had to.
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  Speaker 3: Be there to sustainably like us.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: So that is a miracle in itself. So so we
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: studied miracles. But look at all the miracles, like even
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: near deaths. There are people who come back from a
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: near death with amazing like they learn a foreign language.
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  Speaker 2: They do artwork.
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  Speaker 3: They have brilliance in math. Anita Mirjani, very famous for
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: healing herself of cancers. People have a traumatic experience, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: then something happens. And a traumatic experience could be joyful
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: or whatever, but then something changes in their lives.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: So every day there are, say, miracles happening.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: So what we do at Exponential Intelligence is like, well,
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: how do those miracles transform that person so radically fast?
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: There's a science to it that's not just nilly-willy. It's
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: not woo-woo. If you understand the science behind it, then
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: that's what we do. And there's a lot of science
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: behind it.
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  Speaker 2: And it's more accurate than, say, the current sciences of today.
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  Speaker 3: It's far behind. I'm not saying the current sciences is bad.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying we're far behind compared to where we
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: could be. So we literally study, say, the science of miracles,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: so to speak. And there is a lot of science,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: like I said there. And we've learned to apply that,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: and this is where people get, say, amazing transformations. Military people,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: like I was saying, they go through so much trauma,
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: PTSD and so on like that. They try plant medicines
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and Ibogaine and all those things, and they still have
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: issues because they– I would say they duct tape. They
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: didn't fix the problem at the core level. They just
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: used duct tape to, say, deal with it. We go
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: down to the core and go, hey, let's change that
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: at the core level. And we don't change– obviously we
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: can't change what happened to you, but we definitely change
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the meaning that you take away from what happened to you.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: And that's what's important. Nobody does that from what I
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: see other than what we do here.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And that again is done via– you said these meditations.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, hypermanification. So you're living in, and if you want
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: to get a little science-y, you're living in a state
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that was derived by those four ingredients that we talked about.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: And you think that's real. But there's another version of
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: you here, guy. There's another version of you here that
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: doesn't have trauma, for example. So I don't help you
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  Speaker 2: heal this version. I go, that version... is a better
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: version of you to run.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: So it's kind of like Google Maps. I go, you're
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: in point A. You want to get to point B,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: the better version of who you are. So these hypermeditations
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and one-on-one sessions is like, let's get you to point B.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: When you reach point B, your life dramatically changes because
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: it's the environment that dictates who you are, how you heal,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: how you enjoy life, how you enjoy success.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: I'll ask you a question, Guyon.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of billionaires out there, a lot of movie stars,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: fortune and fame, they've got everything that people strive for.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Why is there such a high rate of suicide? Why
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: is my client list like eight months out of these people?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: So those are great solutions. I'm not saying you stay
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: away from those. I'm just saying what you've done to
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: achieve those is what's destroying you.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: All right. So as we wind down here, Who is
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: this for?
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  Speaker 3: Anybody that's willing to go through the trajectory of.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Letting go of their past and really just starting fresh.
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  Speaker 2: Anybody who has.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it, the balls to
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: really go through and look inwards, you know, and look
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: honestly into their life and go, yeah, I need to
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: change that pattern. Because most people, especially nowadays, they go,
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: I don't want to change. I'm just going to take
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: a medication.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I don't want to change.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to just go do this and it'll work.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So it's not for those individuals. These are individuals who
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: are truly searching.
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  Speaker 2: For transformation.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: Because it's probably one of the hardest things people will do.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Not because you have to do a lot of things,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: but you have to go inwards and become intimate with
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: yourself and understand the weaknesses and the distortions that aren't
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: even yours. So for those individuals who want to evolve
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: like consciousness, who really actually want a better planet. Not
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: just say they want a better planet, but actually do it.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Because you do it by changing yourself, not society, not others.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: So people who really, really want to change themselves, that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: who this is for.
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  Speaker 1: You talked about your part, in a sense, was editing frequencies.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: What is the quote-unquote work responsibility of the client here?
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  Speaker 1: Like what do I have to be willing to do
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  Speaker 1: in this relationship in a sense?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. So great question.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: So say I change your programming and then literally just
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: reading you, and I'm not going to get into details,
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: but for you specifically, you would literally render two versions
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: of yourself, an old version and a new version. That's
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: how you would run your program. So I gave you
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: the opportunity. Basically, I help you reset your free will
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  Speaker 3: to choose. Because in the past, you had a choice
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: back when you were a kid, but you didn't use it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: So just helping you reset.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: So what you have to do once you change your
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: programming is you know what you should do. You know
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: what you should say. So you can either choose your
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: old version or choose the new version. Because I can't
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: force you to change because that's against free will. But
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: I can definitely awaken and help you choose better for you.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: And once you say, I want the new version of me,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: then the work that you have to do to get
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: to the new version. Some people, you know, they get divorced.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: They should have gotten divorced decades ago.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Or they eat, you know,
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: junk foods and all that, which isn't beneficial. It's not
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: forcing them. But what happens is like, you know what?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: I don't need to eat junk food anymore. So once
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: you say no to that, it makes it so easy
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: for you not to eat. So literally, it's your choice.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I just give you the free will to go. I
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: don't want to choose that anymore.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I want to choose.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: All right, Mas. Fascinating. As we kind of wind down here,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: how do people learn more about you and your work?
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: What's the best way?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the best way, the program, the website, and you
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: can sign up for my newsletter, is the T-H-E-X-I code,
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: C-O-D-E dot com. You can go to my sub stack,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: which is X-I, my name, Masati, M-A-S-A-T-I. It gives you
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: the deeper thesis or the deeper science on what we do.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: If you're interested.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: And then also, I do a lot of free programs
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: on my YouTube channel. Again, just look for Masadi. Masadi.live
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: on YouTube. There's a ton of information there for you,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: and it's absolutely free.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We'll have all that linked up here at the show
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: notes page at the traumatherapistpodcast.com. Mas, intense. I really appreciate
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: you being here and sharing your story.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Love it. All right. We'll be in touch. Take care.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: All right, bye-bye.