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Best of Ian Furness 10/23 · The Ian Furness Show

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  Speaker 1: Seattle Cider Company, on your home for the 12th man
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  Speaker 2: All right, here we go. Greg Cosell joining us on
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  Speaker 2: the Beacon Plumbing Hotline as he does most every Friday.
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  Speaker 2: I say most every Friday because we had a week
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  Speaker 2: without Cosell last week. And I'll frankly say this, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't like it. I didn't like it at all. I
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  Speaker 2: did not like it at all.
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  Speaker 3: You know what?
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  Speaker 4: I missed you guys.
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  Speaker 2: We needed you last Friday to break down what the
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  Speaker 2: hell happened in Denver. That's what we needed. We needed
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  Speaker 2: a little Greg Cosell.
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  Speaker 3: I can briefly talk about that. I've definitely got some
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  Speaker 3: thoughts on that, as you might imagine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's fire away before we get to this week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're a little out of whack offensively.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that was a close game, and Sam Darnold
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  Speaker 3: dropped back more than 50 times, and that I would
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  Speaker 3: assume is not the way they want to play. And
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  Speaker 3: only six of those plus 50 dropbacks were play action.
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  Speaker 3: And that is something that is not Seahawk football. You look,
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  Speaker 3: go back to last year when their play action pass
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  Speaker 3: game was among the best in the league. And it was,
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  Speaker 3: it was voluminous as well. I mean, that was foundationally
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  Speaker 3: how the pass game sort of started with Sam Donald
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  Speaker 3: under center and the play action pass game. And by
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  Speaker 3: the way, just so people understand, It's been proven over
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  Speaker 3: and over and over that you do not need a
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  Speaker 3: great run game to have a play-action pass game. There's
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  Speaker 3: no correlation between those two things. It's been proven over
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  Speaker 3: and over and over, and people just keep saying that
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  Speaker 3: as if it's true. So I want people to understand that.
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  Speaker 3: But the point is, they're clearly out of whack offensively. Look,
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  Speaker 3: they've had extra time now to try to self-scout, and
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  Speaker 3: you know that that's what Mike McDonald and staff are doing,
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  Speaker 3: but they need to get back to, I guess, what
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  Speaker 3: we would consider Seahawk football.
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  Speaker 2: The play action, we've talked about that with you as well.
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  Speaker 2: Is there part of it that's not necessarily related to
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  Speaker 2: the actual run game, but the fact that they're out
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  Speaker 2: of shotgun so much and not under center a lot,
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  Speaker 2: does that kind of come into play?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, without question, because to me, and I know there
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  Speaker 3: are many coaches that I've talked to that believe this
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  Speaker 3: for sure. And I'm a firm believer in it just
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  Speaker 3: from tape study for many years, that the play action
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  Speaker 3: pass game is much more effective with the quarterback under center.
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  Speaker 3: Because don't forget, play action is meant to cause conflict
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  Speaker 3: for certain defenders, usually second level defenders. And when the
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  Speaker 3: quarterback's under center, it takes longer for the play to
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  Speaker 3: show what it is. So second level defenders are in
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  Speaker 3: conflict longer. When it's shotgun play action, it happens immediately
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  Speaker 3: and you don't get the impact that you want. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the teams that are really good with under
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  Speaker 3: center play action, and by the way, the Seahawks were
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  Speaker 3: one of the best a year ago, but you get
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  Speaker 3: teams like the Lions, the Bears, they're really, really good
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  Speaker 3: with under center play action because that's how you get
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  Speaker 3: the impact that you're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: The Sam Darnold conversation, Greg, as you can imagine, has
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  Speaker 2: been going on a lot this week. It went from
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  Speaker 2: Last Thursday night, Friday morning of what the heck are
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  Speaker 2: we going to do? Let's get Drew Locke in there.
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  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald telling us on Friday we're not putting Drew
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  Speaker 2: Locke in. It's Sam Darnold. It's calmed down a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but the numbers don't lie. He's struggling. He's throwing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of interceptions. Now, he did that last year. We
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  Speaker 2: understand that. That did happen. But are you seeing anything
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  Speaker 2: on tape, whether it's he's not seeing something? What are
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  Speaker 2: you seeing from Sam Darnold on tape?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, obviously his final interception last Thursday night
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  Speaker 3: was a bad one. That's indisputable. But he's being asked
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  Speaker 3: to throw too much, Ian. No quarterback can do that.
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  Speaker 3: It's too hard. I mean, he dropped back more than
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  Speaker 3: 50 times. There's no way that was their game plan. And, again,
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  Speaker 3: games play out and, you know, offensive coordinators call the plays.
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  Speaker 3: But no quarterback can function on any kind of consistent
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  Speaker 3: basis in this league the way it is now, okay?
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  Speaker 3: There's more and better pressure schemes. There's much more coverage
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  Speaker 3: change from pre-snap to post-snap. It's way too hard to
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  Speaker 3: ask your quarterback to drop back that many times. And
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  Speaker 3: to put it all on Sam Darnold, it's, look, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think anybody would say Sam Darnold's playing the best
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  Speaker 3: football of his career. I'm not here to defend Sam Darnold,
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  Speaker 3: but it's just too hard to ask a quarterback, any quarterback,
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  Speaker 3: to do that. And until they get a little more
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  Speaker 3: And I hate to use the cliched word balance, but
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  Speaker 3: until there's more balance in their offensive approach and their
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  Speaker 3: offensive execution, it's going to be hard to play that way.
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  Speaker 3: So it's not all Darnold. And I think the focus
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  Speaker 3: on him, while I understand it, and I always understand
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  Speaker 3: it because people focus on quarterbacks, but it won't change
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  Speaker 3: if he's going to be asked to throw that many
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  Speaker 3: times in a game.
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  Speaker 2: The... Greg Cosell joining us, his weekly visit. So Greg, let's,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about the running game. They're going to get
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  Speaker 2: Zach Charbonnet back this week. And so that, that's a,
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  Speaker 2: that should be a little bit of a boost to
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  Speaker 2: the running game. So it'll be sharp. Some combination of Charbonnet,
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  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Wilson, George Helani, who knows what else I'll put
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  Speaker 2: in there, but that's, that's what it looks like.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about this too, with you and others and, and, and, and,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Ross Tucker and, and who I know, you know, well,
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  Speaker 2: and others and, it's what they want to do in
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  Speaker 2: the run game, right, with getting that wide zone and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know if Charbonnet helps that much, but
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  Speaker 2: you've watched him play over the years. I mean, what
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  Speaker 2: can Zach Charbonnet do for this run game, which has
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  Speaker 2: just been anemic?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Charbonnet to me is much more of
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  Speaker 3: an inside grinder. But the point is, you do not
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  Speaker 3: need a run game to be dominant. They don't have
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  Speaker 3: to run for 170 yards a game. They need some
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  Speaker 3: sustainability with the run game.
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  Speaker 4: That's the key.
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  Speaker 3: Because the thing about offensive coordinators is, is that they
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  Speaker 3: get a little antsy if you run the ball and
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  Speaker 3: you gain one yard and you keep doing that, because
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  Speaker 3: then they feel like we're not moving the ball, so
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  Speaker 3: we have to throw it. You know, that's the problem.
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  Speaker 3: So they don't need a run game. You know, Charbonneau
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  Speaker 3: is not going to break off 40-yard touchdown runs, nor
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  Speaker 3: is Emmanuel Wilson, nor is Helani, for that matter. But
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  Speaker 3: they just need it to be somewhat sustaining. so that,
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  Speaker 3: and again, to use another cliche, but a true one,
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  Speaker 3: so they can stay a little bit ahead of the sticks,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because ultimately your whole playbook is open when
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  Speaker 3: it's second and five, when it's second and nine, you
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  Speaker 3: start to feel like you're behind the sticks a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what they need. You know, they certainly don't
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  Speaker 3: have an explosive back like they had with Kenneth Walker.
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  Speaker 3: And they knew that when they let him walk. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: obviously price, they expected to be somewhat that guy and
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  Speaker 3: he's on IR and you know, it hasn't worked out
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  Speaker 3: so far. It, it, I would expect it probably will
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  Speaker 3: over time, but he's a rookie and he's on IR.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll see. But they have to, look, given their defense,
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  Speaker 3: they have to run the ball because the likelihood is,
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  Speaker 3: and again, they're playing a really good team this week,
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  Speaker 3: and we'll get to that in a minute. But the
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  Speaker 3: likelihood is in most games, in almost all games, Ian,
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  Speaker 3: the score is not going to run away from them.
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  Speaker 3: The defense is really good. They're not going to be
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  Speaker 3: down 24 to nothing in the second quarter. So there's
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  Speaker 3: no reason that they can't stay with some sort of
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  Speaker 3: offensive balance.
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  Speaker 2: I was laughing when you said how offensive coordinators get
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  Speaker 2: antsy with a one-yard gain. I know it was college,
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  Speaker 2: but you know the first guy I thought of? When
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  Speaker 2: Mike Leach was coaching in college in the air raid,
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  Speaker 2: and we used to talk about this all the time
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  Speaker 2: as Wazoo people, you know, like he'd like, okay, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to run the ball on first down. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to get two yards. And that was like, that was it.
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  Speaker 2: That's like the last run for the next 35 plays.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like Mike, throw his arms up in the air.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 2: We're just going to, we're going to aerate at this point.
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  Speaker 3: And, and, and, and believe me, that's, that's a difficult thing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not a coordinator and I'm pretending to know how
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  Speaker 3: they feel, but you know, that's what happens a lot
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  Speaker 3: is you just feel like, gee, we're banging our head
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  Speaker 3: against the wall. But, see, that's the run game. Even
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  Speaker 3: with good backs, you know, the run game could be
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  Speaker 3: you gain two, you gain three, you gain minus one,
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  Speaker 3: you gain nine. You gain minus one, you gain three,
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  Speaker 3: you gain eight. You know, you don't gain eight every
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  Speaker 3: time you run the ball, no matter who your backs are.
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  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell with us. All right, so this week– actually,
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  Speaker 2: one more thing on Seattle, what you're watching, because this
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  Speaker 2: is another topic. Is the offensive line– struggling? Is Abe
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  Speaker 2: Lucas struggling? Are they asking them to do some things
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  Speaker 2: that are difficult and challenging? We saw Zabel get beat
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  Speaker 2: a couple times. He's trying to do some reach blocks,
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  Speaker 2: and it seems like they're being put in a tough position.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they are if you're asking them to pass block
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  Speaker 3: that much, because keep this in mind. Pass blocking is reactive.
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  Speaker 3: Run blocking is proactive. When you're being asked to pass block,
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  Speaker 3: you're basically stepping back. You're reacting. When you're run blocking,
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  Speaker 3: you're firing off the ball. Offensive linemen much prefer to
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  Speaker 3: fire off the ball. I mean, that's just human nature.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm not charting every offensive lineman, Ian,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm not going to sit here and say something
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  Speaker 3: I don't know because I don't do that, as you
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  Speaker 3: well know. You know, I would say just watching the tape,
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  Speaker 3: and this is purely anecdotal, okay, so I hope people
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  Speaker 3: understand that, you know, I think there's been some I
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  Speaker 3: think Zabel's had probably more bad snaps than I remember
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  Speaker 3: seeing last year. Now, again, I'm not sitting here saying
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  Speaker 3: he's having a bad year. I would never say that
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  Speaker 3: because I'm not charting every play. But I have seen
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  Speaker 3: a few more bad snaps than I would have expected.
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  Speaker 3: They're still rotating at the right guard position with Haynes
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  Speaker 3: and Stevens. Now, I don't know how they're charting each
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  Speaker 3: player and evaluating each player. I think most coaches would
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  Speaker 3: tell you they prefer not to rotate at the offensive
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  Speaker 3: guard position. but they're doing so and they feel that's
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  Speaker 3: the best way to do it right now.
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  Speaker 6: Great.
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  Speaker 2: Go set with us.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The Kansas City defense, before we get to their offense,
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  Speaker 2: and we're almost bearing the lead because I know they've
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  Speaker 2: got a running back for Kansas City that people are
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  Speaker 2: talking about in Seattle this week, but we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: him in a second. Never heard of him. Yeah, the
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City defense, if nothing else, we know this, they
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  Speaker 2: lost their two top corners in the offseason. They're both
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  Speaker 2: playing for the Rams right now in McDuffie and Watson.
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  Speaker 2: What do you see on tape from that Kansas City defense?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they drafted the rookie corner out of LSU,
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  Speaker 3: Mansour Delane. I think he's playing well. They've got a
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  Speaker 3: second-year corner, Noel Williams, who plays the majority of the
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  Speaker 3: snaps on the other side, although they also play Kristen Fulton,
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  Speaker 3: an outside corner who's been in the league quite a while.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're solid on the back end. They play
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  Speaker 3: a number of different people. They play Gilman. They play Connor.
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  Speaker 3: They play– they play Hicks. You know, there's a number
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  Speaker 3: of players they play on the back end. Uh, they're good. Um,
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  Speaker 3: and the linebackers Bolton and tranquil basically never come off
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  Speaker 3: the field and they're both really, really good players. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, they'll play nickel, they'll play dime. They, they
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  Speaker 3: didn't play a ton of dime last week. They're playing
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  Speaker 3: less dime this year than we're used to seeing from
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  Speaker 3: Steve Spagnuolo. Um, they're getting, you know, really good play. They,
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  Speaker 3: in a sense, play two nickels. They play big nickel
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  Speaker 3: and they play, you know, conventional nickel. Um, So, uh,
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  Speaker 3: so they're, they're, you know, Steve Spagnuolo has always been
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  Speaker 3: a tough guy to play against. So, you know, it's,
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  Speaker 3: it'll be an interesting game for an offense that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: has been struggling and has had time to sort of
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  Speaker 3: sell scout. We'll see. I mean, you know, and their
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  Speaker 3: D line's been solid. They have this, uh, I think
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  Speaker 3: second or third year player, Ashton Gillette, uh, Gilotti, who's
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  Speaker 3: played really, really well. Um, he's kind of like Karloftis.
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  Speaker 3: They're very similar players. Um, So they're good. This is
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  Speaker 3: not an easy defense to play against, both in terms
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  Speaker 3: of personnel and tactics.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to play the drinking game in Seattle. You're
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  Speaker 2: busy working. We're going to play the drinking game in Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: How many times do we hear Chris Collins say, here's
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  Speaker 2: a guy, Steve Spagnuolo, and then we'll see about 1,000
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  Speaker 2: Steve Spagnuolo cutaways on the sideline because he's like his
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  Speaker 2: favorite guy in the world. So we'll be playing that one.
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  Speaker 2: The other one will be, here's a guy, Ken Walker.
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  Speaker 2: You might have heard of him. You might have heard
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  Speaker 2: of Ken Walker. And, Greg, you'll find this stunning to believe.
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  Speaker 2: There's been a little bit of chatter in Seattle this
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  Speaker 2: week with the running game we just discussed not being
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  Speaker 2: good for Seattle, Price being hurt, Charbonnet out, all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Why is Ken Walker not here? He's in Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: last I checked, and he's having a pretty good season.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing is, who would have thought, knowing
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  Speaker 3: Andy Reid's history, and obviously I've been here in Philadelphia
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  Speaker 3: for a long time, and there was always a knock
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  Speaker 3: on Andy Reid that he wouldn't run the ball. Well,
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  Speaker 3: this year they're running the ball, and they're running it
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  Speaker 3: quite a bit on first downs. And they've been phenomenal
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  Speaker 3: on first down. Now, they're primarily a zone team on
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  Speaker 3: first down. They run to the strong side, meaning the
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  Speaker 3: tight end side more so than the weak side. And
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  Speaker 3: they tend to run to the left side of the offense.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the reasons they do that is because
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  Speaker 3: the right guard, and I'll try to paint a picture
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  Speaker 3: so people can see it, because the right guard is
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  Speaker 3: Trey Smith. He's probably one of the two or three
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  Speaker 3: best right guards in football. And when you run zone
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  Speaker 3: to the left side, What your right guard has to
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  Speaker 3: be able to do is what we call backside cutoff blocks.
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  Speaker 3: They're very, very hard to do, okay? Trey Smith is really,
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  Speaker 3: really good at that. So that really helps your run
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  Speaker 3: game because in his own run game, your back does
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  Speaker 3: have options to cut back when he sees a gap.
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  Speaker 3: And if you can't cut off the backside, then you
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  Speaker 3: can't have his own run game. And Trey Smith is really,
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  Speaker 3: really good at that.
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  Speaker 2: And that seems to fit what Walker likes to do, right?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a perfect set.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's an explosive back. You know, he's got some–
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  Speaker 3: he's got major juice to him. You know, he's had
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  Speaker 3: a great year. I mean, he's a good runner. You
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  Speaker 3: guys saw that in Seattle. You know, so obviously they
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  Speaker 3: made a decision, and, you know, then you've got to
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  Speaker 3: live with it. I mean, that's the way it works
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  Speaker 3: in the league. You can't sign everybody. You know, it's–
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  Speaker 3: and first of all, a lot of people would say
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  Speaker 3: that it was the right decision because backs tend not
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  Speaker 3: to have a long shelf life, and he's obviously having
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  Speaker 3: a phenomenal season. And no one can argue that. And
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  Speaker 3: because of Seattle struggles running the ball, it just amplifies
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  Speaker 3: it and makes it worse.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. We're five games in. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price has been hurt. So that's, you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: one thing. They're trying to get Rashid Shahid more involved
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  Speaker 2: in the offense, which people want to make the comparison of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Walker and Shahid and picking one over the other.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it was that simplistic, but. And you
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  Speaker 2: said it. I mean, let's see what Walker does the
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  Speaker 2: rest of the season and into next season. Let's see
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  Speaker 2: what Jared Arian Price does. Jared Arian Price does over
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  Speaker 2: the next two seasons as well. I do know this.
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  Speaker 2: Walker in that offense, in that run scheme, as you
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  Speaker 2: just said, it fits like a glove with what Andy
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  Speaker 2: Reid and what they want to do. Eric Biannimi coming back, right?
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  Speaker 2: It seems like he's made a difference to that team
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  Speaker 2: too in that run game. And then there's a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's pretty good at quarterback too coming off an ACL.
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  Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes, what are you seeing from him on tape?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's playing as well as he has
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  Speaker 3: in the last two, three years. He's playing so much
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  Speaker 3: more decisively within structure. Now, we know Mahomes is phenomenal
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  Speaker 3: extending plays. He has unbelievable spatial awareness. He can always
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  Speaker 3: make plays outside of structure. He just has that vision
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  Speaker 3: that is just uncanny. You know, you can't teach that
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing. But, you know, they've not– over the
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: last three years, not counting this year– Their offense was
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: not great. They only averaged about 22 points a game,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: which in today's NFL is not a big number. And
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: it seemed like every good play that he made, and
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: I know I'm exaggerating, but I'm trying to make a point, that,
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: you know, many of his good plays came outside of structure.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: And while he's great at it, that's not a world
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: you can live in every single week.
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: And you know that.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: I mean, you can't play like that every single week.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: This year, I think he's played exceptionally well within structure.
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: His timing is better. He's decisive getting rid of the football.
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: their offense just seems so much more timing based and rhythmic.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: It looks very good to me. And I think Patrick
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: Mahomes is playing really, really good football right now.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: There's gotta be a correlation between Mahomes that you're just
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: describing and the fact that they can run the ball
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: and they've got an effective run game as opposed to
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: whatever it was, Kareem Hunt, Isaiah Pacheco, whatever the last
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: few years.
• 16:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, again, I'm not, I'm one person, so I
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: can't make these kinds of studies, but I think that
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: would probably be anecdotally. That would seem like it would
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: be true. I mean, Kenneth Walker's averaging 6.1 yards a
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: rush on first down. So think about that. So that
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: means on average, you're at second and four. That changes
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: everything for an offensive coordinator.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: You can do whatever you want, you know, and so
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the playbook is wide open. So there has to be
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: a correlation, again, without, you know, teams you know i'm
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: one person teams have you know 20 guys doing this
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff you know so um but yeah it
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: it makes sense that everything is just more comfortable for
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: a quarterback in those situations.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Second and four as opposed to second and nine as
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: we discussed earlier then you're not getting antsy as a
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: play caller at that point you're not.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: At all you're not at all because you know what
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: on second and four five yards is a nice game
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: you just got a first.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Down exactly uh the the One of the most amazing things,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: if we'd want to take the pop star wife out
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: of it and the cutaways of her in the suite
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: and all that stuff, all due respect to the Swifties
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: out there, Travis Kelsey's on the verge of making history.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: He's climbing up the charts in terms of all-time receiving
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: yards for tight ends and numbers. every game I watch,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I'm mystified. I'm absolutely blown away by the fact that
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: this dude at his age, he's not the fastest guy
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: by any means. He's not the biggest, strongest by any means.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: He's always open, Greg, he's always open. And they've got
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: another really good tight end and gray too. Like they,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: and that's, that's been kind of a, that's been an
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Achilles a little bit for the Seahawks, whether it was Peter,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: even to Mike McDonald is that tight end down the seam.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: That's a concern.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Um, You know, it's funny because I watch tape of,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: you know, many teams, obviously. And the offense is that
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: there are offenses that do such a good job with
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: their route concepts, particularly against zone. Man is different, as
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: you know, Ian, because then it's you got that guy. But,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: you know, against zone, it has to do with your
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: route concepts, your spacing, how you can put defenders in conflict.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: You know, and when I watch, you know, a Ben
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Johnson offense, when I watch the Lions are still really,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: really good at that. You know, Andy Reid's been good
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: at that for years and years and years. You know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: that's what happens a lot. It's just, it's the route concepts.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just did a piece in the matchup
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: show that for this week, actually, I forgot because I
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: did the piece earlier in the week and it's Friday
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: and I realized, wait, the show hasn't aired yet. But,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: you know, on the Lions pass game and, you know,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll take a look at it and you'll
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: see exactly what I mean about how route concepts just
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: break down coverage. You know, zone coverage is what I'm
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: talking about and And, you know, it's always easy for
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: people to say, well, double this guy, you know, on
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: every play. You know, and without going into the reasons
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: why you can't, you can't. You know, there are times
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: you can, but you can't do it on every play.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: And the other thing that Kelsey is phenomenal at, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: this you cannot teach, is he just has an unbelievable
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: feel for working with the homes when the homes moves.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: And that's something that, you know, it's like a point
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: guard in basketball. You can't teach guys to see the floor.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: Some guys can, some guys can't, you know, and, and
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Kelsey just has that unbelievable feel to work with my homes.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Unbelievable spatial awareness.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of talk here like, Oh,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you know, even worry and he's going to have to,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you know, man up on Kelsey or whatever. I, that's
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: not how they play necessarily.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think they do that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: No, they, they, they don't look, you never know. They've
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: had extra time. They're doing a ton of self-scouting. Could
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: you see something different from Seattle? Um, Yes, you certainly could.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: And maybe for this opponent, because the reality is they're
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: three and three. So they need a win. So could
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: they play more man coverage this week? They sure could.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: And it would be Imanwari. But normally they're a zone
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: team that plays at a very high percentage of two
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: high shell structure. too high safety structure. That's the way
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: they normally play. And they've got a safety in love
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: who is as savvy and smart as any in the league.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: Okada is a really good player. He's similar, not as good,
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: but similar. You know, so they do blitz on third
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: down though. I mean, that's something that they do do.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: So we'll see if they change up. You know, I'm
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: always curious when teams either come off a bye or
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: a Thursday night game in which they didn't play well
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: and wonder if, hey, are they going to change some
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: things up? because the coaches have that extra time to self-scout.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Greg Cosell just dropping the older 3-3 on us. And
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: you know what we say here in Seattle with the 3-3?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: It's better than 2-4, which the Rams are right now.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: That's all we say.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Well, that's true. I mean, I believe that math would
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: be correct, yes.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm known for my math, Greg. I'm known for that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: As you know over the last 15 or 16 years.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: All right, great stuff. We missed you last week. Great
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: to have you back on, my friend. Hopefully we're talking
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: about a... what would it be a four and three
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Seattle team next week for us here in Seattle, but
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: we'll go.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: And then, you know, this is going to be fun
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: for us to keep talking because then they got Chicago
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: coming in.
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Good times. We're going to talk about another great offense
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: rolling in here. They looked okay last night. So they came.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Their quarterback is playing really well, by the way, really well.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Caleb, Caleb had it going. We'll check in with you
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: next week, Greg. Thank you.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: All right, thanks, Ian.
• 21:30
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• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Danny O'Neill, dang apostrophe, joins us every Friday that we can.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Last week he was gone and we had like a
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: 20-minute show. So we didn't talk last week, so it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: been a while.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: Hello, sir.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I'm doing well. It's been an interesting day here, Ian,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: but I'm doing fairly well.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: What's going on? What can you share with us? We're
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: worried about you. What's going on?
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: Ian, I had to shave my chest for the first
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: time today.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Whoa.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Are you a little procedure coming up or something?
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not expect that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Nah, it kind of related to it.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: But yet, no, I was wearing a heart rate monitor.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: And when the heart rate monitor was affixed to me
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: at the cardiologist, she had commented that like, okay, there's
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: a fair... I don't think of myself as an.
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Exceptionally hairy person.
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: No?
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: I think I'm average hairy. Okay.
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: I don't... And she expressed concern that it may not adhere...
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: It had three electrodes with little stickies on them.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: And then she's like, well, it seems like it's sticking okay.
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: And when I went to take it off today, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: ripped one of the electrodes off because it was so
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: tightly adhered to my chest hair.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, ouch.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: So you just, so I broke the machine.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: I broke the machine.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: And before I went back to say, can you reaffix
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: the machine to me? I, I decided I should probably, um,
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: I should probably remove the hair that had called the problem.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: So what a day, what a day in New York.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Huh?
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: I don't know how I feel about it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: I don't know how I feel about it. It's a,
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: It's like I'm driving with the top down.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Well, the bigger question is how Mrs. O'Neill will feel
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: about it when it's all said and done.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I don't think she really particularly cares. I don't believe
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: she would say that I am of average hairiness.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I don't think that would be her assessment.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: I love it.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Danny O'Neill joining us. Oh, buddy, we got a lot
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: going on in the world. Hey, I want to hit
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: on something that I just saw. I read it in
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the paper this morning, and I was going to actually,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: it's not my business necessarily to bring it up, but
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: it can be your business to bring it up. The
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: story came out today that, and this is a big
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: thing now in college sports, where we're all looking around,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: who's spending what, what are we spending, and all those things.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And the story came out today that Washington is spending
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the least amount of money on men's basketball of any
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: team in the Big Ten. And immediately, you know, then
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the uproar starts and all this. And then the backlash is, well,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: You know, we gave Danny Sprinkle a bunch of money
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the first year. And, I mean, in fairness, I mean,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: they had the great Osabor contract that some people say
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: was worth seven figures. They spent money last year. It
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: hasn't worked out. It hasn't panned out. He's had money.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And then we see Jesse Legree is staying at Oregon State,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the great wide receiver, freshman wide receiver. He announces midseason
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: he's staying, which now is a thing too. The college
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: spending is just getting out of control in so many
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: ways that And then there's also the guilt that gets
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: put on people. Donor fatigue kicks in. Let me just
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: start with you as a Husky, because it relates as
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: well to the college football side with DeMond Williams. Who
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: do you play? Do you play the guy that's getting
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: paid the most, or do you play the other guy
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: that transferred here from Stanford? I don't know if you
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: saw that story, but what was your reaction, first of all,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: on the basketball side of things?
• 25:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the basketball, and I definitely felt this at the
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: time that, Washington men's basketball specifically was going to, they
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: were being taken there along for the ride in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: move to the big 10. And while I had reservations
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: about this, the entire athletic program, I was fairly certain
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: this was a bad move for Washington men's basketball, like
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: just specifically to go to the big 10 because of
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: the facilities that you're dealing with. The facilities, the question is,
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: the fact that there is a half share or a
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: lesser share of the broadcast revenue, at least at the first,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: everything excess was going to be pumped into football. Like
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: that is, if anything, this move was going to make
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: Washington focus more on football. And it's actually, what's odd
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: is that the first two years and even last year,
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: there was quite a bit of money and I think
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: it was largely coming from one source, but there was, they,
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: they had quite a bit of NIL, which is how
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: they got some of the players, not just great Osabor, but,
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: but a couple of guys they had last year. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: that was, very obviously is not there this year and
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: that it's going to be really tough sledding for Danny Sprinkle.
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: I think Danny Sprinkle is a really good coach. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: think the situation he's.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: In right now is going to be really tough and
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: it'd be tough for any coach because of what's happened.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: And last season, I'm not sure how much of a
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: say he had in where some of that money was going.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I think he was told, and my understanding is he
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: was told some guys are coming that he didn't necessarily
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: go out and stand on the table to say, here's
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: the guy we need to get in here.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just kind of looking through here. I mean,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: their roster right now, Wesley Yates is back. I'm just
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: thinking guys that actually, you know, Wesley Yates is back.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: They get Steele Venters, who was, you know, at Eastern
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: and Gonzaga. He blew his knee out, but he's coming back.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He can shoot. But some guy from Eastern Kentucky, Evansville,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and Nevada. So this will be his fourth school, Tayshaun Comer. Uh,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: I'm just, Oh, Latham Somerville from Rutgers is back. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: saw that video. I kind of chuckled. I'm like, well,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: do they really want them back? Uh, you know, Brandon
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Roy's son, who's kind of still a project and kind
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: of still developing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: It's a, it's not an impressive roster. I'll just say that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And one watch is probably one of your stars who
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: was at Texas tech last year. He has to be
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: getting paid. Well, one watch has to be getting paid
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: because he got paid at Texas Tech. So you're paying
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: like maybe one or two guys. But I don't know, Danny,
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to me, it's just it's I hate it. I hate
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: when it doesn't matter if my school, your school, anybody's school.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, you got to give money. Why do
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I want to pay an 18 to 22 year old?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I guess I know that that's what they want. But man, oh, man,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I just have a hard time stomaching that.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: I feel the same way. And I've had a huge
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: issue with feeling kind of shamed. And there is an
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: implication that is spoken out. And Washington's football coach, Jed Fish,
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: has kind of talked about sort of the need to,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: if you want to compete at this other level.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: kind of.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: The implication being Washington needs to get serious about it.
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: And I think mostly what people are talking about is big,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: well-keeled boosters, guys with significantly more money. But I feel
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: that pressure and obligation. And frankly, I don't accept it.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: I love my school. I love the University of Washington.
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: I love the football program. I am not going to
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: bankroll the, the, the NIL, the, the compensation that goes
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: to players, because I think that that, that is just,
• 29:12
  Speaker 6: that's not what I've ever signed up for as a fan.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: And I also feel that there's a certain level of
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: expectation that then comes with that, that I'm just not
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: comfortable with putting on. I, it's not my responsibility.
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: I buy tickets. I go to games.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: I support the school that way. And I'm comfortable doing that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: I'm not comfortable with the donation side of it. And
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: that might be a difference of... between sort of how
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: Washington's fan base, or at least me, feels and some
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: of the people in the SEC. But man, forever, people
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: have been willing to... Some people really enjoy spending money
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: to get athletes at their school.
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: And there's something just it doesn't feel right to me.
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: It doesn't feel right to me for that to be
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: coming from the fan level. When it comes to coaches
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: talking about it, I can understand their desire to have
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: sort of ample resources and that maybe applying some of
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: that pressure that, hey, we're underfunded. But I actually think
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: that when coaches talk that way, it actually defeats it
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: because it creates an implication that the guys that are here.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: Aren't good enough.
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: We can't afford the players that we need to be.
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: Able to compete.
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: And I think that that's the wrong message to be
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: sending to your roster. The coach's job is to make
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: the most out of the guys he has.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: And I don't think.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: that looking at and talking about the, the level that
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: you're able to, to spend that is, is the way
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: to do it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: It just, it sets a bad tone. Plus it's whining.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: It really comes across as whining.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: And in today's college football, like college sports and college
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: football specifically, I think the best way is when you
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: get good then you get more donations to keep that team,
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: keep those players compensated and keep them from transferring elsewhere.
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: I think that's how it generally worked. It's certainly how
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: it worked in Kalen DeVore's second year. When Michael Penix
• 31:26
  Speaker 6: and Roma Dunze and Troy Fautano, like all those guys,
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: some of them didn't go to the pros. Some of them,
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: none of them transferred other places, but they were all
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: kept in place. Like there, there is, I think that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: the best way to go about it rather than thinking, Hey,
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: if you give us a bunch of money, we'll be
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: able to go out and buy success because that the
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: flip side of it is you look at Texas, Oregon,
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: But USC, they're not lacking for.
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: Any sort of NIL fund.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: It doesn't necessarily translate that you can buy your way
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: to the top either.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Now, imagine investing in Arch Manning. Or Bryce Underwood. Bryce Underwood,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: he was one person who did that. She was in
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: love with him or whatever. But yeah, I mean, in
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Sprinkle's case, he went out, he got Zoom Diallo, who's
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a local kid, obviously. But Zoom's here, and you've got
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Frank Kepnang and Wesley Yates sticking around. But you've got
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: all these guys from last year, and it just didn't translate.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: So how do you go back to the well and say,
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: I need money? Well, it hasn't worked the first two years.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It's unfair money. It's just unfair to everyone. I think
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's unfair to the fan base. It doesn't matter what
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: school it is. It's frustrating. And then there's pressure. Do
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: you play Elijah Brown? Do you play DeMond Williams? Those
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: are all realities of where we are in college athletics,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: and it just kind of feels gross. Let me switch
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: over to the Seahawks. Danny, I don't know if you
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: know this. Ken Walker plays for Kansas City now. We
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: haven't talked about it much this week, but we will now,
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: I guess, just because it's a big deal. I mean, God, buddy,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: you wouldn't believe it here. It is unreal. It is unreal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: I get a whiff of it. I get a very
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: strong whiff of it off the internet that this is
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: felt that it.
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: Was some giant malpractice to let Kenneth Walker go or
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: let him out the door.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: You can't make that decision.
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: Based on six games or that assessment based on six games.
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: And that's, I.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: Think that it's possible that Seattle will come to really
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: regret it, but based on the body of work that
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: they had over four years with Kenneth Walker, I think
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: that their decision was like a sound rationale that, Hey,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: He is part of a running back combination. This isn't
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: because Seattle's been willing to make, they paid Marshawn Lynch.
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: They paid Marshawn Lynch, a top of position deal. But
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: with Marshawn Lynch, you didn't need a second back. He
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: was going to take all the work. There's nothing that
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: you had seen over the past four years from Kenneth
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: Walker that made you think, running back, he's going to
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: hold up under that workload. Now, maybe he will in
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: Kansas City, but I even think looking back to last year,
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: one of the reasons that he was, in my mind,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: so effective in the last month of the season and
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: then in the playoffs was because they had him share
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: the load early on, because he wasn't overworked.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: So we'll see how he holds up. But I do.
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: I just think that that offense is not one running
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: back away from having everything humming. Kenneth Walker would not
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: save what is currently going on with Seattle's offense.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you're doing the old baseball win above replacement,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: maybe he's worth a win. Maybe they're 4-2 right now.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Maybe they're 4-2. He definitely helps them. I mean, what
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: they have right now isn't good enough. But I'm with you.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: He's five games into his tenure in Kansas City. We're
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: six games into this thing without it. Jadarian Price has
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: been hurt. Now, we could When we get to games,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you know, 17 games and the season's over, we'll look
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: back and say, I mean, and I always want to
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: be careful. I wish they would have kept him. I
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: wanted them to keep him. I don't know. None of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: us know because Schneider doesn't talk about this publicly. None
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: of us know what went into that. We can guess, right?
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: We can speculate, Danny, and speculation and guess is that, well,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: he probably looked at it and said, this guy has
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: never had his high carries ever, was his rookie year
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: of 228. and he still missed a couple games that year.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: He had 219, 153, 221. Those were his carries in
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: his career. So not in a massive workload. He's already
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: got 106 carries this season. Is he going to hold up?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: If he does, good for him. And maybe it just
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: ends up being a brilliant move for Kansas City, and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: maybe ends up being a moronic move for Seattle, but
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I think it's too early to tell. But the problem
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: is that Seattle's offense has a lot of problems right now.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: It does. And I'm not sure that there's an easy
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: fix for that. It'll help.
• 35:51
  Speaker 6: It'll help if they get healthier at running back. Certainly
• 35:54
  Speaker 6: that's part of it, but you have a new coordinator
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: and a quarterback who's always been turnover prone. And I
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: think that the difficulty that they have running the ball is,
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: is accentuating some of Sam's, It's more making the throws
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: stick out. And then I can't tell you why the
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: offensive line doesn't seem to be better. I know there's
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: been some conversation that they were using more players in
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: protection last year. But even when you look at those
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: rates of how many times they kept in seven plus
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: or max protect, like you're really only talking about a
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: handful of plays. I think 11% last year they had
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: seven plus. and it's like 4% this year. So you're
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: talking about a difference of three plays a game. That,
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: to me, doesn't explain why the protection seems so much
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: worse this year than it was last year, where I
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: thought their protection was pretty good last year.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Sam's been sacked 16 times. Or Sam
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: slash Locke includes a Locke in there. He was hit
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: 17 times and sacked five other times. Against Denver, they've
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: had 10 sacks given up in the last two games.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of numbers out there that are just
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: kind of ugly. I'll leave the play-calling offensive coordinator stuff
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to guys like Hugh that have played the game and
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: have sat in those meeting rooms, but I do know this.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's any way you can dispute
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: the fact that you lose a guy like Clint Kubiak,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: who orchestrated the best offense in Seahawks history in terms
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: of scoring. And now he goes to the Raiders and
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: has started to turn that franchise around. The proof is
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: right there. It doesn't matter who you bring in. It's
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: probably going to be a little bit of a downgrade, right?
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: You're going to take a little bit of a step
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: back along the way.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: That is certainly what it looks like that you had,
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: you went from having a top tier play caller and
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: guy who was maybe underappreciated and people didn't realize because
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: you're absolutely right. Las Vegas has looked very good and
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: very competitive this year when.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: There wasn't any of that a year ago. And then
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: having a guy, I.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Similar to the Kenneth Walker, sort of, uh, it's too
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: soon to make a judgment.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: I'll say the same thing about Brian Fleary.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: And I know that there are going to be the
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: knives are already kind of coming out for him, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: he's a really smart, like talking to people around the league, very,
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: very smart football guy.
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: Who's very well regarded. He is calling plays for the
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: first time. And so maybe you've.
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: Gone to a point where he's, he's got a little
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: bit of a learning curve, but I don't get the
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: sense that he's in over his head in the way
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: that Ryan grew up less. And that's, we're six games in,
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: there's still a long way to go, and maybe it
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: will turn out to be that way, but I don't
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: get the sense that anybody feels like, I don't even
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: understand what we're trying to do. It's just a matter
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: that it has not worked, and the running back situation
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: probably has accentuated it in some ways.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: How desperate should they be this weekend? How desperate are
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: they for a win when you start looking at the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: math around the NFC?
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Well, certainly if there's any, they're in a
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: really tough spot when it comes to the question of,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: can you win the division? Like that's, that's really your,
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: your three games back with a home loss to a
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: San Francisco team that does look pretty good. Now we'll
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: see San Francisco has the oldest roster in the league and,
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: and things can change over the course of the year.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: They need a win to feel better about themselves. I think,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I think when it comes, they need.
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: A win to feel better about their offense and that what,
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: because the danger that I see in this team is
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: that you get to a point where the defense feels
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: we're stopping them every week. We're doing our part of it.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: And we really just can't get anything going on offense.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: And it's so much as is going through Jackson Smith
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: and Jigba.
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing.
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: Your best player on offense is Jackson Smith and Jigba.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: And he's playing really well and being really productive.
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: And the offense still looks like this.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: I think the important part is them getting feeling that
• 39:58
  Speaker 6: they can compete with a top level offense because the
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: chiefs look like the chiefs and Seattle, those past two games,
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: have just really felt bad the way that offense has
• 40:11
  Speaker 6: looked and the turnovers that have been committed. I mean, God,
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: that last play of the first half against San Francisco
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: was about as deflating a moment as I can remember
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: seeing in that stadium.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's where you get back to the
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Ken Walker stuff. That's where you get back to where
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, but here's the thing. Ken Walker would
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: not have had that carry. Like that would have been
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: a Charbonnet carry if he was healthy. That's what that
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: would have been. So it's like, I understand it. Like
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I understand the frustration and everything, but I think that's 100%
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a play call too. And that's, it's been a weird year.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: It's so hard. Like people talk about this all the time,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: you know, how difficult and challenging it is to go
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: back to back. And we know that firsthand here, right?
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, we saw it in 2014. It's really hard
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: to go back to back. One of the reasons is
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: your schedule's tougher. Uh, the other reason is you play
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: a lot of football, right? Like you play a lot
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: of football and guys get kind of beat up along
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: the way, no matter how young you are. And so it's,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it's a challenge. And, oh, by the way, we, the
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: one that we kind of a joke in this week,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: we haven't really talked even that much about Pat Mahomes.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: When has he been ever, ever been on the back burner, uh, Danny?
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that is.
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: And he's the chiefs have looked like the chiefs, but
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: I'll be interested to see how Seattle's defense, uh, shows
• 41:28
  Speaker 6: up in this game because it is a primetime game
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: and having an opportunity to go against this, this defense
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: plays with an edge.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: There's no doubt about it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 6: And, and kind of like wants to have that swagger
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: and plays with that level of chippiness.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: But yeah, my homes is kind of a secondary thought.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: Which is, which is strange because it, it, he is,
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: he is always front and center, especially now that he's
• 41:53
  Speaker 6: back and healthy.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: All right. Tell folks about the dang apostrophe, my friend.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: It is a.
• 41:59
  Speaker 6: Newsletter originating out of New York City where currently there's
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: a toilet parked out in front of our apartment. If
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: you go to dannyoneal.com and enter your email address, I
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: won't send you the toilet, but I may send you
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: a picture with a funny essay about that on Monday
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: as well as a recap of this Seahawks-Chiefs game.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Great stuff as always. Good to have you back. Stay healthy.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week.
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Sounds good. Take care of you.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: That is Danny O'Neill joining us. All right, when we
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: come back, we are going to check in with Greg.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: We're going to check in with our own Greg Bell.
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: He's at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center. There's a lot
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: of news that just came out with the Seahawks. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: was wondering why we had not seen an update on
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: the injury list. McDonald just spoke a couple minutes ago. Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: when I called Greg, he goes, I thought you'd be calling.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: It's about a half hour, 40 minutes later than normal.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: They just spoke. So we're going to check in with
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: our guy Greg Bell next, and I'll just tell you this.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: The news ain't great.
• 42:58
  Speaker 7: Awesome.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Fun times on a Friday next. We're back on a Friday,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: a football Friday. Washington State Beef Commission football Friday. Washington
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: State Beef, farmers and ranchers. Beef, it's what's for dinner.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We'll blow off the Daily Power Play today. We've been
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: telling you about the Kraken. They got a win last night,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: 6.30 pregame tomorrow. Take it on Minnesota at 7 o'clock.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Drop of the puck here on KJR as Minnesota's in town.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: All right, sir. Greg Bell is with us right now.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: He was just over at the Virginia Mason Athletic Center.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm just going to– you update us on what's
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: going on, and I'll just preface it by saying it
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound great over there right now for Seahawks fans
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: getting psyched up for Sunday night.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: No, Ian, this was a bad Friday for the Seahawks.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: Unwelcome surprises. Nicky Mowary's questionable. He came down with a
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: hip injury today. I tried to pin Mike McDonald down
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: on when it happened. I said, did it happen at practice?
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: He said, today. That's a walkthrough.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: That's a walkthrough today.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: They had something of a practice on the field. They
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: had a morning walkthrough in t-shirts on the indoor field.
• 44:08
  Speaker 7: It sounds like it may have happened this morning on
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: the t-shirts and bucket hat walkthrough. But yeah, hip injury
• 44:15
  Speaker 7: this morning or this afternoon, questionable. And Zach Charbonnet is out.
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: So he said there's been no setback with Charbonnet, that
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: this is part of the plan. In fact, it's going
• 44:26
  Speaker 7: great with Charbonnet's recovery and return from his reconstructive knee
• 44:30
  Speaker 7: surgery eight months ago. But This is part of the plan.
• 44:36
  Speaker 7: It is, though, a departure from what the rhetoric and
• 44:38
  Speaker 7: talk had been all week about him playing at least
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: a little bit, in some capacity, as what McDonald had
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: said at the beginning of the week, if this practice
• 44:45
  Speaker 7: week went well. Now he's saying, well, the practice week
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: went well, but he's not going to play, and this
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: is all part of the plan.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I'll get back to Eamon Warren in a second. The
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Charbonnet thing, that's confusing, I think, to everybody. Because, as
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: you said, everything, all indications were, that he was going
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: to play. There was no setbacks there. I mean, I know...
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: I thought... I think we all kind of figured he'd play...
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: He wouldn't have like a, you know, 10, 15, you know,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: carry day, but he would be playing.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 45:13
  Speaker 7: In some capacity. Yeah. That's what the coach said.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: And in a game that, if we're being honest, is a...
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: It's not a must win, but it's damn close, right?
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: So....
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to wrap my arms around the why of this,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: especially if they say there's no setbacks.
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: It's... I.
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: I asked McDonald, maybe I just shouldn't have asked him
• 45:32
  Speaker 7: this directly because it made him say no, but I
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: asked him, are you doing this to protect him from himself?
• 45:39
  Speaker 7: And what do I mean by that? Charbonnet needs to
• 45:41
  Speaker 7: get on the field yesterday because his contract's ending at
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: the end of this year. He's got 11 auditions and counting,
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: now 10, to prove himself either to the Seahawks or
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: the rest of the league of how much he's worth
• 45:52
  Speaker 7: and which would seem next year. The Seahawks have 10
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: games now to decide whether they want to keep Charbonnet
• 45:58
  Speaker 7: in the second contract. We just saw him let Kenneth
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: Walker leave, and Walker wasn't coming off a reconstructive knee surgery.
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: So there's all the impetus in the world for Charbonnet
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: to get back. So I asked McDonald when he said
• 46:09
  Speaker 7: he was out today, I said, well, is this to
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: protect him from himself? And that's when he said, no,
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: this is all part of the plan. He didn't have
• 46:15
  Speaker 7: any setback. That's what we're going to do, and we'll
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: move toward next week in Chicago. Of course, the Seahawks
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: have an extra day between the Sunday game and the
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: Monday night home game against the Bears, November 2nd. So
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: that looks like now that's the new target for the
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: debut of Charbonnet. But the only explanation I have, Ian,
• 46:33
  Speaker 7: is that they are just trying to make this a
• 46:35
  Speaker 7: slow roll so that Charbonnet doesn't do too much too soon,
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: knowing he has urgency in his own mind to get
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: out and do everything he can when he can.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: Are we going to see the same trio, or do
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: you think a guy like Robert Henry Jr. gets a chance?
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: Isn't it more than enough time for Robert Henry? I mean,
• 46:51
  Speaker 7: we've seen enough of everybody else. We've seen Emmanuel Wilson's
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: too slow to get to outside zone. We've seen George
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: Helani as a special teams player thrust into a role
• 46:59
  Speaker 7: he's not ready for. And we've seen Velas Jones get
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: almost no chances up in the practice squad. Why haven't
• 47:04
  Speaker 7: we seen Robert Henry, who's been taking up an active
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: roster spot? And why haven't we seen him yet? And
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: I've asked that question a couple of times. And they said, no,
• 47:12
  Speaker 7: he knows the game plan. And when we're ready to
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: do it, we'll do it. Henry says, yeah, I'm ready
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: to go. And he's been practicing every day since the
• 47:19
  Speaker 7: end of July in Washington's training camp in the practice squad.
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: So Yeah, I do think they're going to bring up Henry,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: elevate him from the practice. He's now still on the
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: active roster.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: What am I saying?
• 47:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you're going to see him finally not
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: being inactive because we've seen, and the results have been poor,
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: with the guys, they don't need to trot the same
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: dudes out there and get the same results.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think there's any doubt. I think at
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: the same time, it's like, why is he on the roster,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the 53-man roster, if you're going to have him here
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: three weeks and just cut him? I mean, you scouted him.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: You had him. Like, it makes no sense. Like, that
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: makes no sense.
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: Used up.
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: You used up a 53-man active roster spot to sign
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: him off another team's practice squad. Now let's play him. Yeah,
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: that's what I would do, but it is strange. It
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: was an unexpected turn. We talked to Charbonnet yesterday, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: it was that, yeah, you're going to play, and let's
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: be smart and patient on Sunday night, and I'm excited,
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: and it's walkers here. It's a national showcase game, a
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: home game, and, yeah, there wasn't, well, we'll see next
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: week against Chicago, or I'm not so sure I'm playing. Yeah,
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: it was none of that. So, yeah, a definite surprise
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: for sure.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Before I get to a break, the other thing, Eamon
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Warrie is questionable. Drew Locke is questionable. Thoughts on those two?
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the Eamon Warrie thing, like I said, the hip
• 48:32
  Speaker 7: injury out of nowhere today.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: But what does that do for their defense if he
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't play?
• 48:38
  Speaker 7: Well, they're probably going to go more base. That means
• 48:42
  Speaker 7: probably more Tyree Knight, maybe three linebackers with. Well, Drake
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: Thomas is already– He's been injured for the last two weeks,
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: so he's already out. He's going to miss his third
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: straight game. I would think maybe more of that means
• 48:55
  Speaker 7: more of Witherspoon outside and less nickel and dime if
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: you're not going to have Emo Warrior. I think Emo
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: Warrior will play, but when I asked McDonald what shade
• 49:03
  Speaker 7: of questionable he was, he wouldn't give me that either.
• 49:05
  Speaker 7: He just said questionable. And Drew Locke, I talked to
• 49:11
  Speaker 7: Drew Locke after the Denver game about a couple things,
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: and he said it's something he's had for a little bit.
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: going back to training camp, in fact. And it could
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: be that he was just throwing more as the starting
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: quarterback in September than he was used to and ready
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: for after not doing it that much in training camp
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: with the ones every day in practice. But he threw
• 49:30
  Speaker 7: a lot in the summer as well, an elbow that
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: he apparently has had for a little bit.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate the update. We don't like the update,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: but we appreciate it. Thank you.
• 49:42
  Speaker 7: Anthony Bradford is going to start. It sounds like he's
• 49:45
  Speaker 7: going to play the whole game. We talked to him
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: in the locker room just now, and Donald said the
• 49:48
  Speaker 7: plan is that Bradford plays the whole game at right guard,
• 49:50
  Speaker 7: so no more of Haynes and Stevens alternating. And they
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: cut Trevon Diggs, the cornerback who had been on the
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: active roster, started the season on the practice squad. They
• 50:00
  Speaker 7: cut him to make– they haven't made the corresponding move
• 50:02
  Speaker 7: of Bradford off IR to the active 53 yet, but
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: that'll be the move. Diggs, I'm sure, will probably go
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: back to the practice squad unless, I'm sure, probably. That's
• 50:11
  Speaker 7: an interesting phrase. I think he'll go back to the
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: practice squad unless some other team wants to sign him
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: out of nowhere, but it doesn't look like that'll happen.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: So he'll go back to where Diggs will go back
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: to where he started the season on the practice squad.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Great stuff, my friend. Thanks for jumping on. I appreciate it.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Greg Bell, 10 to 12 here on KJR every day,
• 50:26
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• 50:29
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• 50:30
  Speaker 5: Thanks.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: That's Greg Bell. We'll take a break. We've got Rob
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Rank standing by. Coming up next.
• 50:44
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• 50:48
  Speaker 1: time for Ian's weekly visit with Rob Rang from FoxSports.com.
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• 51:02
  Speaker 2: All right, 2 o'clock hour rolling on on a Friday afternoon.
• 51:06
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• 51:07
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• 51:13
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• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Of course, Scott with the BC Lions as well. He
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is with us as we look forward to the college
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: football weekend coming up. Hello, sir. How are you?
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: I'm doing very well, Ian. How are you today?
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: I'm good.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Big one for your BC Lions tonight, if I'm not mistaken.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: It is, yes.
• 51:33
  Speaker 8: We're actually going to be starting our backups because we
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: have already secured our playoff spot. And so this is
• 51:41
  Speaker 8: the game that you want to win them all, of course.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: But at the same time, we're not going to move
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: up or down in the standings based on the results
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: of this game.
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: So I'm just looking forward.
• 51:52
  Speaker 8: To Halloween when we will be hosting in the opening
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: round of the divisional playoffs.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: For the CFL. Love that stuff.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: Good job.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: Congratulations to you guys. Okay. Let's get to college football.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I'm looking for a quarterback matchup this weekend. So let's
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: talk about the matchup between Ole Miss and Texas. And
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, on paper, it's a, God, it is. It's
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: a big game. I'll probably make the argument a bigger
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: game for Texas than it is for Ole Miss, but
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: all eyes will be focused in on the quarterback showdown.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Trinidad Chambliss for Ole Miss, Arch Manning for Texas. Let's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: just break this down. You can start with Trinidad or Arch,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: whoever you want to go with, but this is a
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: heck of a game coming up tomorrow.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's funny, Ian. We're talking football, of course, always.
• 52:39
  Speaker 8: But they say in boxing that the great title matches
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: are between a clash of styles and all that.
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: Kind of stuff. And that's the thing.
• 52:48
  Speaker 8: You've got a quarterback in Trinidad Chambliss who is likely
• 52:52
  Speaker 8: to measure at six foot or maybe even a quarter
• 52:55
  Speaker 8: inch lower than that.
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: Doesn't have the elite arm.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: Went to Ole Miss after playing originally at Ferris State
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: where he was a backup there. Even last year in
• 53:08
  Speaker 8: his breakout season, You know, he went there as a backup.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: And now it's been that kind of Cinderella story. And then,
• 53:16
  Speaker 8: of course, you have Arch Manning on the other side,
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: in the other corner. That is, you know, as famous
• 53:23
  Speaker 8: of a quarterback as you possibly can be throughout the
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: high school era or high school age. Just because of
• 53:28
  Speaker 8: his famous uncles, Peyton and Eli, and his grandfather, Archie Manning,
• 53:33
  Speaker 8: of course, is who he is named after. And he's
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: had some struggles so far this season. He was the
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: presumptive number one overall pick in the 2027 draft. And
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: now he's losing some opportunities. Texas has a freshman that
• 53:48
  Speaker 8: is actually getting some first team reps in practice now.
• 53:51
  Speaker 8: So it just kind of shows you what kind of
• 53:53
  Speaker 8: guy Steve Sarkeesian is. Way to stick up for your
• 53:56
  Speaker 8: quarterback there. I just think that this is a fascinating matchup.
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: So Trinidad Chambliss is a guy that now is my
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: current top-rated quarterback just because I think that through all
• 54:07
  Speaker 8: the other stuff out the window, the last name, the
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: arm strength, the size, I mean, are you poised when
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: the game is on the line?
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: And nobody, in my opinion, has been more poised than
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: Trinidad Chambliss.
• 54:18
  Speaker 8: Nobody has thrown the ball with greater anticipation and accuracy
• 54:21
  Speaker 8: than him. So I really think that he has solidified
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: himself as a first-round caliber quarterback. And I still believe
• 54:29
  Speaker 8: in Arch Manning, again, maybe more than his current head coach. But,
• 54:34
  Speaker 8: you know, Arch Manning, there's no doubt about it, that
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: he has struggled. He's got three really horrific interceptions over
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: the last couple of weeks where he's just basically almost
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: punting the ball with his arm, throwing the ball downfield. And, again,
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: I still see an awful lot of untapped potential with him,
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: but there is no doubt that he is not the
• 54:55
  Speaker 8: finished product that the last name would lead you to believe.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Well, let me go back to that game in a second.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Let me take a step back, just kind of a
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: bigger step back. So we're going to talk about Darian
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Mensah from Miami in a second as well. But I
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: want to just... This is like the second year. Maybe
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: it's the third. I don't know. I know it's for
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: sure the second year in a row, Rob, that this
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: has happened, where we kind of start the season. There's
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: a consensus amongst you and a lot of guys around
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: the country about who the top quarterbacks are. And then
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: they just kind of disappear or they fade and they're
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: no longer in the mix. And, you know, like the
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: Cade Club Knicks of the world and guys like that
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: that just kind of disappear off the face of the earth.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: This year we had what we thought was going to
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: be a really strong quarterback class, Dante Moore. Now he's hurt.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: But even before he was hurt, it's not like Dante
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: Moore was looking fantastic. You have Dante Moore. Julian Sane
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: is also hurt now. He's playing well. This isn't a
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: play thing with Sane, but Julian Sane's hurt. So then
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: his situation comes into play as well. The quarterback position
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: for this year's class, how much has it changed and
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: evolved over the last couple months?
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: Well, it has. I think that's an excellent point, Ian.
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: Astute observation, just because I think that really the pressure
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: gets to folks. These are young college players, of course.
• 56:14
  Speaker 8: They're getting paid so much money, and they're recognized everywhere.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: And I think the pressure, not just on the field,
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: but off the field, more importantly, just starts to get
• 56:23
  Speaker 8: to them a little bit. And the caliber of defense
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: that they are facing now, I think, is much improved
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: than what we saw yesterday. years ago, and so I
• 56:32
  Speaker 8: think that you are seeing that some of these quarterbacks
• 56:35
  Speaker 8: who are staying in college a little bit longer to,
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: you know, get as many guaranteed dollars as they possibly
• 56:41
  Speaker 8: can and enjoy all the fun living that can be
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: that college lifestyle, they're struggling. Some of their warts are
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: being exposed, so to speak, and so I think that's
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: why we're seeing some of these players, whether it be
• 56:55
  Speaker 8: an Archman or whether it be a at Cade Klebnik
• 56:57
  Speaker 8: or whoever the case might be that they do struggle
• 57:01
  Speaker 8: later in their college career. And it feels like everybody
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: is very excited to anoint someone else as, oh, that's
• 57:09
  Speaker 8: the new one. That's the guy. Like, you're going to
• 57:11
  Speaker 8: hear an awful lot about Austin Simmons from Missouri. You know,
• 57:15
  Speaker 8: some of my competitors in the media business that are,
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: you know, working for ESPN or The Athletic or whatever
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: the case might be, CBS Sports. are all about Austin Simmons,
• 57:27
  Speaker 8: who has just been terrific so far for Missouri.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: He's got nine career starts.
• 57:32
  Speaker 8: We're so quick to pull out a quarterback that we
• 57:36
  Speaker 8: think has first-round tools, and then I think it gets
• 57:39
  Speaker 8: into their head a little bit, and it just ruins
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: these 20-, 22-year-old young men that maybe don't have the
• 57:45
  Speaker 8: mental capacity strength just yet that they're, that they have
• 57:49
  Speaker 8: in their, in their arm and in the case of
• 57:51
  Speaker 8: Austin Simmons and their left arm. So I do think
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: that for everybody who's talking about, let's say a Drew Mestemaker,
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: Oklahoma state, or maybe a CJ car or Notre Dame,
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: or you mentioned him Darian Mensah for, for Miami. And
• 58:04
  Speaker 8: they are just kind of casting aside players like Arch
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: Manning or whoever the case might be. I think that
• 58:11
  Speaker 8: the savvy NFL teams are, will happily invest a day
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: two or maybe even early day three selection in a
• 58:18
  Speaker 8: quarterback that, you know, just a few months before it
• 58:20
  Speaker 8: was being bandied about as a first round pick. You
• 58:23
  Speaker 8: just don't want to throw these guys to the wolves
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: once they get to the NFL. So, so frankly, kind
• 58:27
  Speaker 8: of a tip of the cap to Clint Kubiak in
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: the Las Vegas Raiders. They of course selected Fernando Mendoza,
• 58:31
  Speaker 8: number one overall, but he hasn't seen a single play
• 58:35
  Speaker 8: during the NFL regular season so far. Let Kirk Cousins
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: take those lumps and let Fernando Mendoza learn from the
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: from the sideline. To me, that's the strategy that is
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: always going to be more effective in the NFL.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: Do you believe Rob Rank joining as Kyrstia Farrelly? Do
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: you believe Arch Manning is still a first-round pick?
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I do. 100% believe that.
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: And I just think that the plays that you see
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: on social media over and over and over again are
• 58:59
  Speaker 8: his mistakes. The plays that you rarely see on social
• 59:02
  Speaker 8: media are the first round plays the fourth down rush
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: that he escapes the pressure throws an absolute strike to
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: the back of the end zone for a touchdown i
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: believe it was the last game uh against florida it
• 59:15
  Speaker 8: may have been two weeks ago against oklahoma um but
• 59:18
  Speaker 8: you just you don't see those plays shown over no
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: it just feels like that's our society now that people
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: want to kick other people when they're down a little
• 59:27
  Speaker 8: bit but arch manning In terms of arm strength, in
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: terms of his quick release, his athletic ability. That's one
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: of the articles I have at FoxSports.com right now. It's basically,
• 59:37
  Speaker 8: is Arch Main still a first-round player?
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: And I think that he absolutely is.
• 59:41
  Speaker 8: And last year, he ran for 10 touchdowns. This year,
• 59:45
  Speaker 8: he's run for zero. I don't know if that's Arch
• 59:47
  Speaker 8: or if that's Steve Sarkeesian's play calling. They're not rolling
• 59:52
  Speaker 8: him out to the right, which again, he had several
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: of his touchdowns last year, including four of the nine
• 59:57
  Speaker 8: touchdowns that he had in the red zone area.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: Were on rollouts.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: Why they're not rolling him out this year to me
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: is just befuddling. I still understand it. And I think
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: the NFL teams will absolutely take advantage of his very
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: unique skillset I just don't think that he is ready
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: to come in and be the savior, NFL savior, immediately.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 8: But very few of these quarterbacks are capable of doing that.
• 1:00:22
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• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: bit about Darien Mensah and Miami. They're hosting Pittsburgh at
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: 9 a.m. tomorrow on ESPN. Mensah has been spectacular so
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: far for the Canes. This seems to be a trend, too,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: for Mario Cristobal, the head coach at Miami. He just
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: goes and finds a new quarterback every year, right?
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 8: We saw it with Cam Ward. We saw it last
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 8: year with Carson Beck. And now we're seeing it with
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 8: Darian Mensah. Mensah began his college career at Tulane, then
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: went to Duke, where he led the Blue Devils to
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 8: an ACC title.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: And then now at Miami, he is not only leading.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 8: The ACC, he's leading all of college football in completion percentage.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I think he has like 20 touchdowns.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: Touchdown passes so far he's got one interception so he's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 8: another one everybody is now is very much jumping on
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 8: his bandwagon i gave him a second day grade i
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 8: think more second round perhaps even early third round entering
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 8: this season in and i am not changing on that
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 8: grade i don't see a first round arm and i
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 8: i think that the that the miami does a remarkable
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 8: job of coaching up their players certainly but also making
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 8: it a little bit easier on them. And there were
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 8: a couple of plays this past week. Miami played Clemson
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 8: two weeks ago. They played Florida State this past week.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 8: So definitely a jump up in competition with what the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 8: Hurricanes have been facing. And there were a couple of
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 8: throws to the perimeter. I feel like we should have
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 8: our buddy Hugh Millen on with us right now. These
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 8: throws from the opposite hash to the sideline that really
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 8: show your ability to drive the football. I mean, absolute
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 8: requirement in today's NFL and Gary Mensah struggled with those
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 8: types of throws. So I don't care about the flashy statistics.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 8: That's great on the back of a football card or something.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 8: certainly is going to get you NIL money and all
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 8: that kind of stuff. But when it comes to the
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: evaluation of the NFL, I think that Mensah is a
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  Speaker 8: good prospect, not an elite first-round counter prospect, despite what
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  Speaker 8: some of the other talking heads out there would lead
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  Speaker 8: you to believe.
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  Speaker 2: It is our good friend Rob Rang joining us right now.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about a couple other games, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe specifically, let's just go Indiana-Michigan for a second. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we have not done this this year, and I was
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this last week watching Indiana. They've got a
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  Speaker 2: couple really good wide receivers. We all hear about Jeremiah
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  Speaker 2: Smith for Ohio State. What about Indiana and Michigan and
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  Speaker 2: the wide receivers for the Hoosiers you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: looking at?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, they've got arguably the best receiving core, or at
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  Speaker 8: least the top two receivers in all of college football.
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  Speaker 8: And there's some good ones out there, but I think
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  Speaker 8: that when you look at Indiana– they really are special.
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  Speaker 8: First off, Charlie Becker is the guy that everybody talks about.
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  Speaker 8: He's 6'4, he's 200 pounds, and he had some spectacular
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  Speaker 8: plays a year ago with Fernando Mendoza throwing him the ball.
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  Speaker 8: And Mendoza got a lot of the credit, as he should, obviously,
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  Speaker 8: number one overall selection. But Charlie Becker, he's 6'4, he's
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  Speaker 8: 200 pounds, And maybe it's just his skin color.
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  Speaker 4: He's a white receiver.
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  Speaker 8: And so people kind of, you know, don't want to
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  Speaker 8: necessarily give those guys enough credit. But he's smooth off
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  Speaker 8: the line of scrimmage. And Ian, his ability to play big. Again, 6'4.
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  Speaker 8: He's got very long arms. It's almost like a basketball
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  Speaker 8: player or a volleyball player with the way he can
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  Speaker 8: kind of sky when he needs to. He has like
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  Speaker 8: these go-go gadget arms. Just makes him pluck passes that
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  Speaker 8: seem to be outside of his range. you know, out
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  Speaker 8: of his reach and he just makes it look easy.
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  Speaker 8: He just plucks it and there's a touchdown. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: there's almost a Mike Evans kind of a quality to
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  Speaker 8: him that he's not as physical as Mike Evans. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: Mike Evans is a different guy, but I just mean
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  Speaker 8: that I think that you are going to see Charlie
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  Speaker 8: Becker going to wind up being a first round selection.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know that he's going to run in the
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  Speaker 8: four fours, but if he runs four, five, five or, or,
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  Speaker 8: or better than to me, that's an absolute lock of
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  Speaker 8: a first round selection. just because of the ball skills
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  Speaker 8: and the size. I think that his game translates so
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  Speaker 8: well to the NFL. So really excited about him. But
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  Speaker 8: I think that he's the smoother, more polished of the two.
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  Speaker 8: Nick Marsh is the one that I'm more intrigued by.
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  Speaker 8: This is his first year at Indiana. His first two seasons,
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  Speaker 8: he was at Michigan State. He's 6'3, he's 210 pounds.
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  Speaker 8: And a lot of it is in his lower half.
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  Speaker 8: He's got really thick thighs, almost looks like a running back.
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  Speaker 8: And so the comparison I would use to him is,
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  Speaker 8: It would be more like a Chris Godwin for Tampa Bay, 6'1, 210,
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  Speaker 8: who ran a 4-4-0, or a Brian Thomas Jr., 6'2, 205,
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  Speaker 8: who's kind of worked himself out of favor in Jacksonville
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  Speaker 8: but was dynamic a couple of years ago as a
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  Speaker 8: rookie and certainly was dynamic at LSU. Brian Thomas was 6'2, 205,
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  Speaker 8: ran a 4-3-3. That's the type of athletic ability I
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  Speaker 8: see with Nick Marsh. His change of direction and quickness
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  Speaker 8: for a guy at 6'3, 210 pounds, It was just fantastic. Now,
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  Speaker 8: there were some drops early in his Michigan State career.
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  Speaker 4: He only has one drop so far this season.
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  Speaker 8: He's got six touchdowns and has made a couple of
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  Speaker 8: just really splashy, cool plays, scoring in a variety of
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  Speaker 8: different ways so far this season for the Hoosiers. I
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  Speaker 8: think he is a receiver that you're going to hear
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  Speaker 8: his name more and more as the draft approaches. I
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  Speaker 8: think he's going to be an absolute superstar when it
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  Speaker 8: comes to the workout process. So between Charlie Becker and
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  Speaker 8: Nick Marsh, those two wide receivers are as good as
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  Speaker 8: it gets in all of college football and a huge
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  Speaker 8: reason why Indiana is very much in the running. Go
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  Speaker 8: right back to the playoffs and perhaps they can run
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  Speaker 8: another national championship.
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  Speaker 2: Rob, do the Seahawks have an Abe Lucas problem?
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  Speaker 4: I think that they do.
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  Speaker 8: You know, Abe Lucas is... I think he's a solid player.
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  Speaker 8: But I don't know that he is.
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  Speaker 8: The type of player that you can be reliant upon
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  Speaker 8: for the next couple of years. Seattle, of course, extended
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  Speaker 8: him a few years back. And, you know, and again,
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  Speaker 8: he's a relatively young player. I think he's 29 years old,
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  Speaker 8: if I'm not mistaken. But he plays like he's 35.
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  Speaker 8: And we've all heard about the knee issues that he
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  Speaker 8: had had. You know, some people had said that it
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  Speaker 8: might be degenerative and things like that. I think that
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  Speaker 8: he looks a little bit heavier, not necessarily heavier, like
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  Speaker 8: eating too much, you know, eating too much or anything.
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  Speaker 8: I just think it's more about the, that he's almost
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  Speaker 8: too big and strong at this point, but he's lost
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  Speaker 8: a little bit of the mobility. In my opinion, he's
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  Speaker 8: got that initial quickness, but I, he's giving up four
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  Speaker 8: sacks so far this season. And a couple of them
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  Speaker 8: have come when he's had a tight end to his right.
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  Speaker 8: And when that tight end releases, uh, then Abe's not
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  Speaker 8: able to get his hands on the pass rusher immediately.
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  Speaker 8: And so he's being forced to kind of play in
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  Speaker 8: space and redirect. And that is not his game, at
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  Speaker 8: least not at this point in his career. And so
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  Speaker 8: I do think that that's a bit of an issue. Now,
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  Speaker 8: hopefully for an Seattle perspective, that game improves what they
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  Speaker 8: had that Anthony Bradford back. I think that, he has
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  Speaker 8: had to try to protect the edge and could use
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  Speaker 8: a little bit of help. And the right guard rotation
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  Speaker 8: that Seattle is how a Christian Haynes and both Stevens,
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  Speaker 8: I think is, has been a little bit problematic for
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  Speaker 8: both Abe Lucas at right tackle as well as Jalen
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  Speaker 8: Sundell on the left at the center position. So I
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  Speaker 8: do think the Anthony Bradford is going to help that, but,
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  Speaker 8: To your point, Ian, I think that Abe Lucas is
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  Speaker 8: a good player, but I think that he is not
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  Speaker 8: necessarily the difference maker that Seattle might need if they're
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  Speaker 8: going to continue to focus on running the ball as
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  Speaker 8: often as they are, and if they have a quarterback
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  Speaker 8: who right now is not playing very well. So I
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  Speaker 8: do think that as we move forward throughout this entire
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  Speaker 8: draft process, we've got to start paying attention to some
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  Speaker 8: of these offensive tackles that are out there, because I
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  Speaker 8: think that Seattle might be prioritizing the right tackle position
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  Speaker 8: in the 2027 draft.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about one of those guys, Houston at Utah.
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  Speaker 2: That game, you got an eye on a guy that
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  Speaker 2: plays for the Utes, right?
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  Speaker 8: Well, it's kind of crazy because last year, Utah had
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  Speaker 8: two offensive tackles. Their left and right tackles, Spencer Fano
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  Speaker 8: and Caleb Lomu, who were both first-round selections.
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  Speaker 4: And so.
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  Speaker 8: they've got this guy, Zeroway Williams, who is number 76.
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  Speaker 8: And this is his first time as a starter. He's
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  Speaker 8: actually a graduate playing for Utah. He's waited, bided his
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  Speaker 8: time in this day and age of a player just
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  Speaker 8: waiting until their final season of eligibility to finally get
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  Speaker 8: onto the field. But Ian, sometimes you see a guy
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  Speaker 8: and you just kind of chuckle to yourself like, oh
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  Speaker 8: my goodness, look at this guy. That just should not
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  Speaker 8: be this athletic. It's six foot eight, 305 pounds, never
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  Speaker 8: a star at the college level. And now he's playing
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  Speaker 8: that blindside, pass protector role left tackle and is doing
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  Speaker 8: it in just in spectacular fashion i mean it's just
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  Speaker 8: he's toying with people um the guys this big shouldn't
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  Speaker 8: be able to move the way that he does now
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  Speaker 8: he's you know he's pretty raw as a first year
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  Speaker 8: starter but again his initial quickness that's that change of
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  Speaker 8: direction um that we talked about that abe lucas is
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  Speaker 8: struggling with I think that Zeroway Williams, again, number 76
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  Speaker 8: for Utah, is very much a player that we are
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  Speaker 8: going to be talking about a lot as the process
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  Speaker 8: unfolds here.
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  Speaker 4: So he plays left tackle, and I think that he
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  Speaker 4: can stay at left tackle. But I also think that
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  Speaker 4: if he is.
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  Speaker 8: Somehow available when Seattle is on the board later in
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  Speaker 8: the first round, presumably, then I think that he is
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  Speaker 8: going to be somebody that is going to absolutely scream Seahawk,
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  Speaker 8: certainly for the way that John Schneider has drafted in
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  Speaker 8: the past and the way priorities that John Benton.
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  Speaker 4: Has always placed on size and mobility.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff as always, Rob. Rob Rang, of course, FoxSports.com.
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  Speaker 2: He's our draft insider here on KJR and a BC
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  Speaker 2: Lions scout. Go Lions tonight, even though you're playing your
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  Speaker 2: backups because you guys have already just been dominating and
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  Speaker 2: get that game next week. So good luck to that
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  Speaker 2: as well. That's our guy, Rob Rang. Thank you, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Aaron. Take care.
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  Speaker 2: That is Rob Rang. We'll take a break. We've got
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