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#174| Why Hustling Harder Won’t Fix Your Burnout (And What Actually Will) · Overwhelmed Working Woman: Boost Productivity, Master Time Management, Overcome Overwhelm & Stop People Pleasing

• 0:00
  Angelica Ventrice: I think people forget your body is the vessel that's driving your life, your business, your everything, so treat it with the respect it deserves.
• 0:13
  Michelle Gauthier: You're listening to Overwhelmed Working Woman, the podcast that helps you be more calm and more productive by doing less.
• 0:20
  Michelle Gauthier: I'm your host, Michelle Gauthier, a former overwhelmed working woman and current life coach.
• 0:24
  Michelle Gauthier: On this show we unpack the stress and pressure that today's working woman experiences and in each episode you'll get a strategy to bring more calm, ease and relaxation to your life.
• 0:40
  Michelle Gauthier: Hi, friend, thanks for joining.
• 0:41
  Michelle Gauthier: Today's guest is Angelica Ventrice.
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  Michelle Gauthier: She's a health and mindset coach who helps high achieving women like us spot the early signs of burnout and reclaim their energy and confidence.
• 0:52
  Michelle Gauthier: This was an interesting conversation.
• 0:54
  Michelle Gauthier: She shares her personal transformation story and breaks down the deeper connection between stress, gut health and self-worth.
• 1:02
  Michelle Gauthier: I feel like gut health is something I always heard about, but I didn't really know what it meant until now.
• 1:07
  Michelle Gauthier: So when you listen today, you'll learn how to notice the signs of burnout before it forces you to slow down, what gut health is and why it impacts your energy and your mood and your ability to lose weight, and why it's so hard to slow down even when you want to.
• 1:22
  Michelle Gauthier: But before we jump into all that exciting info, I want to remind you that I am hosting a fall declutter challenge and it starts on September 15.
• 1:33
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• 1:36
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• 1:44
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• 1:51
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• 1:59
  Michelle Gauthier: There will be prizes, daily prizes, to celebrate your progress.
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• 2:08
  Michelle Gauthier: So, for example, if you listen to Monday's episode and you have a question about it, you can send me in that question if you're doing the challenge and I will address it the next day.
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  Michelle Gauthier: Or if you have a big win, I would love to share that with the audience.
• 2:19
  Michelle Gauthier: You can send that to me and I will share it with everyone.
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  Michelle Gauthier: So I'd love to have you join so that you can declutter your house, your email, your mindset, all the things.
• 2:29
  Michelle Gauthier: It's $17 to join the challenge less than that impulse target run to buy more bins to hold the stuff you don't even want.
• 2:36
  Michelle Gauthier: The link is in the show notes and I hope to see you there.
• 2:44
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you, angelica, for joining us today.
• 2:47
  Michelle Gauthier: I'm so excited to hear your story and all the ways that you're helping women get an early read that they might be getting to burnout before it actually happens to them.
• 2:53
  Michelle Gauthier: But start off by telling us how you got into this space in the first place.
• 2:58
  Angelica Ventrice: Yes, I will make it as short as possible.
• 3:00
  Angelica Ventrice: Thank you for having me.
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  Angelica Ventrice: About 15 years ago, I went on my own weight loss health journey.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I was doing pharmaceutical sales.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I am from Long Island, new York.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I was pretty much overweight my whole life into my late 20s.
• 3:13
  Angelica Ventrice: One day I literally couldn't take it anymore.
• 3:15
  Angelica Ventrice: I was burnt out.
• 3:16
  Angelica Ventrice: I was feeling horrible in my body.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I was doing well in my career but just feeling really out of alignment.
• 3:21
  Angelica Ventrice: I fired a coach.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I lost 40 pounds with him and something kind of gut punched me Like this is what you need to do.
• 3:28
  Angelica Ventrice: So I left pharmaceutical sales, moved from New York to California and started personal training and nutrition coaching and moved into health coaching my business online.
• 3:36
  Angelica Ventrice: It really has turned into like health coaching, life coaching, mindset coaching as well, just because I've done so much different coaching myself.
• 3:43
  Angelica Ventrice: But that's really how it started.
• 3:50
  Angelica Ventrice: I had my own transformation journey and I felt really called to help other women and I've helped some men as well.
• 3:52
  Angelica Ventrice: Really, it's not just about the number on the scale, but find true alignment and happiness in their bodies and in their health.
• 3:56
  Angelica Ventrice: And so how much it changed my life, my relationship with self, my relationship with my career and just everything around me.
• 4:02
  Angelica Ventrice: And yeah, so I left my pharmaceutical job and here we are and just went for it.
• 4:06
  Angelica Ventrice: I literally had no job lined up in California.
• 4:09
  Angelica Ventrice: So hopefully a story inspires someone.
• 4:11
  Angelica Ventrice: I didn't know what I was doing.
• 4:12
  Angelica Ventrice: I just knew that I was meant to do something else other than pharmaceutical sales, which I wasn't aligned to do because I'm very holistic in the way I approach health Interesting, yeah.
• 4:21
  Angelica Ventrice: So really it started to feel not good to me to be pushing drugs to doctors that are writing it to get paid to write the prescription.
• 4:27
  Angelica Ventrice: So it fell out of alignment to do that anyway.
• 4:30
  Angelica Ventrice: So it all happened the way it was supposed to happen and I just moved to California no job and I was like right doing this, going to figure it out.
• 4:36
  Michelle Gauthier: I love it.
• 4:37
  Michelle Gauthier: That's so great.
• 4:37
  Michelle Gauthier: Starting my business is a similar story where one day I decided I can't do this anymore and I started this business.
• 4:42
  Michelle Gauthier: You say it like one sentence, with a bow on it, doesn't show all the times.
• 4:47
  Michelle Gauthier: We're like laying on the floor crying oh my gosh still yeah, then I just started this business and became so successful.
• 4:52
  Angelica Ventrice: A lot of hard work, a lot of trials and doing things wrong.
• 4:55
  Angelica Ventrice: But I think you have a calling, and especially women.
• 4:57
  Angelica Ventrice: We're so intuitive that we follow that gut instinct.
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  Angelica Ventrice: It will not lead you in the wrong way.
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  Angelica Ventrice: You just have to trust it.
• 5:02
  Angelica Ventrice: And that doesn't mean it's not scary.
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  Angelica Ventrice: It was scary for me to leave New York.
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  Angelica Ventrice: It was scary to go to Cali and then start that business and then, scared, to move the business online.
• 5:09
  Angelica Ventrice: There's always a little bit of fear, but I really do always feel, to that fear of an inkling, that you're moving in the right direction.
• 5:16
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, yes, that kind of fear.
• 5:17
  Michelle Gauthier: There's a different brand of fear.
• 5:19
  Michelle Gauthier: This is scary, but it's like yeah.
• 5:22
  Michelle Gauthier: So you said that when you were doing that pharmaceutical job, you started feeling like you were just out of alignment and really burned out.
• 5:28
  Michelle Gauthier: Is that kind of the hallmark of the people who come to you for help?
• 5:37
  Michelle Gauthier: They do, they come to you because they want to lose weight.
• 5:39
  Michelle Gauthier: Or like what does your client usually come to you with?
• 5:40
  Angelica Ventrice: A lot of women are feeling there's a fat loss or weight loss, body recomposition.
• 5:42
  Angelica Ventrice: But then there's also a lot of women who want help with their gut health.
• 5:45
  Angelica Ventrice: They're feeling bloated, uncomfortable, green foggy.
• 5:47
  Angelica Ventrice: They also come to us because they're not putting themselves first, and they know it.
• 5:51
  Angelica Ventrice: It's like that saying put your oxygen mask on first.
• 5:54
  Angelica Ventrice: They know they need to do it, but they're not doing it and they want help.
• 5:58
  Angelica Ventrice: They want to break the people pleasing.
• 5:59
  Angelica Ventrice: They want to put themselves first.
• 6:00
  Angelica Ventrice: They know they'll show up better for their careers, businesses, family and partners when they do start to put themselves first.
• 6:06
  Angelica Ventrice: But they've been stuck not doing that years of putting themselves last.
• 6:10
  Angelica Ventrice: So, a lot of them are burned out.
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  Angelica Ventrice: We have such a mix.
• 6:12
  Angelica Ventrice: Some women are burned out, some are in adrenal fatigue, some women have gut health issues, hormonal issues, some have autoimmune.
• 6:19
  Angelica Ventrice: We kind of see it all At the end of the day.
• 6:20
  Angelica Ventrice: All of them want to either lose some weight or lose some fat.
• 6:23
  Angelica Ventrice: When you're in a state of burnout.
• 6:24
  Angelica Ventrice: Your body doesn't look good most of the time, yes.
• 6:26
  Michelle Gauthier: What are some of the signs that you're either in burnout or you're very close to getting burnt out?
• 6:32
  Angelica Ventrice: Low ceiling, like you've slept six to eight hours and you wake up but you're still exhausted.
• 6:35
  Angelica Ventrice: I would say that's a good indication.
• 6:37
  Angelica Ventrice: I think as women age, they start to believe in hormones or age on hormones or age.
• 6:45
  Angelica Ventrice: It could also be that you're in burnout and you're in adrenal fatigue.
• 6:46
  Angelica Ventrice: You're looking bloated, you're looking swollen, you're looking inflamed.
• 6:48
  Angelica Ventrice: I think that adrenal fatigue and burnout go together, because when you are so burned out, your body isn't working properly.
• 6:53
  Angelica Ventrice: So you'll start to feel fatigue, exhaustion, brain fog.
• 6:57
  Angelica Ventrice: Like I said, you think you have a good night's sleep but you're waking up exhausted.
• 7:00
  Angelica Ventrice: Right, you slept the certain amount of hours Disconnected.
• 7:05
  Angelica Ventrice: I think that when you're in a level of burnout, you feel disconnected from your work.
• 7:07
  Angelica Ventrice: You may want to burn your business to the ground and feel disconnected from your partner.
• 7:11
  Angelica Ventrice: Maybe other signs that we don't even think about is like saying no to, maybe, things that you used to like doing or events that you used to like to go to.
• 7:18
  Angelica Ventrice: Just starting to isolate yourself a little bit more is another sign of burnout.
• 7:22
  Angelica Ventrice: Sometimes you think, oh God, I'm just so tired.
• 7:24
  Angelica Ventrice: But are you just tired or are you really heading towards burnout?
• 7:27
  Angelica Ventrice: It's okay to be tired.
• 7:28
  Angelica Ventrice: We all have times where we're tired, but if you're saying no a lot, if you're disconnecting, if you love to paint or draw or you love to dance and then you're not doing any of these things that you used to once love to do, that's a sign of burnout, like a high level of disconnection, feeling out of alignment in your life, out of alignment in your body.
• 7:46
  Angelica Ventrice: High level of being disconnected is a sign of burnout, plus all the physical symptoms we just talked about.
• 7:51
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I find a lot of women who come to me have forgotten what they like doing.
• 7:56
  Michelle Gauthier: Painting is a good example.
• 7:58
  Michelle Gauthier: There could be.
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  Angelica Ventrice: I like to paint and draw too, but I don't do it often enough, because we forget these childlike thoughts.
• 8:03
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, just like the fun we can have on some of those simple things.
• 8:05
  Michelle Gauthier: Will you tell us what adrenal failure is, what that means?
• 8:11
  Angelica Ventrice: Adrenal fatigue is when your hormones are not functioning properly and your cortisol is through the roof.
• 8:17
  Angelica Ventrice: That bloat, that inflammation.
• 8:19
  Angelica Ventrice: It happens.
• 8:20
  Angelica Ventrice: Often Some people don't realize that they're in it, but I see, I would say probably half of the women that come to me are in it.
• 8:27
  Angelica Ventrice: Like there is a complete state of exhaustion.
• 8:30
  Angelica Ventrice: The hormones aren't functioning properly.
• 8:32
  Angelica Ventrice: They have estrogen dominance, they don't have enough progesterone, they don't have enough testosterone, they're not able to build lean muscle mass and the cortisol is through the roof.
• 8:39
  Angelica Ventrice: When the cortisol is through the roof, the other hormones cannot function properly.
• 8:43
  Angelica Ventrice: Okay, and that comes from being under a lot of stress for a long time.
• 8:47
  Angelica Ventrice: Yep Chronic stress for sure.
• 8:49
  Angelica Ventrice: Chronic stress can come from multiple things and not taking care of your health.
• 8:52
  Angelica Ventrice: Right Like, what are the foods you're eating, who are you surrounding yourself with?
• 8:55
  Angelica Ventrice: But there are times when you'll be doing a lot of things, right Like, you'll eat well, you're doing the workouts, but you're so stressed and you're operating that high level of fight or flight that you're not.
• 9:06
  Angelica Ventrice: You're in burnout.
• 9:06
  Angelica Ventrice: Right, Even if you're eating the good things, taking care of yourself, but if you're constantly in the high state of stress, you're still in burnout.
• 9:12
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, there's nothing that you okay.
• 9:13
  Michelle Gauthier: And then you mentioned that a lot of times you help people get their gut health fixed.
• 9:19
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, I feel like gut health is something and I don't know if it's because I just kind of started paying attention to it myself, but I feel like I see it everywhere.
• 9:26
  Michelle Gauthier: So will you tell us what does that mean and what does it drive when our gut health isn't good versus when it is?
• 9:33
  Angelica Ventrice: good.
• 9:33
  Angelica Ventrice: So, like inflamed versus non-inflamed, the gut is the powerhouse of the body.
• 9:37
  Angelica Ventrice: It doesn't affect your digestive system.
• 9:40
  Angelica Ventrice: More and more studies are showing that 80 to 90% of dopamine and serotonin are located in your gut, which means if your gut is inflamed and off balance, you don't feel as well, you have brain fog, you're moody, you're depressed right, because your body isn't accessing those neurotransmitters the way it should be.
• 9:57
  Angelica Ventrice: I've had women come to me with such poor gut health and they're depressed and they have anxiety and they're on meds for that, which is there's something wrong with it.
• 10:05
  Angelica Ventrice: But we've done gut smelling with them and they've been able to get off of their medication.
• 10:09
  Angelica Ventrice: So we often forget the connection between the gut and the brain, right, that access there.
• 10:14
  Angelica Ventrice: So, yeah, anxiety, depression, moodiness, brain fog there, yeah, so yeah, anxiety, depression, moodiness, brain fog.
• 10:22
  Angelica Ventrice: There's so many other symptoms that your gut is off, like the whiteness of your eyes can become yellow, your teeth will be more yellow, not to be TMI here, but you know, like recurring yeast infections or vaginal infections are also a sign of poor gut health.
• 10:33
  Angelica Ventrice: And then there's obviously diarrhea, constipation, acid reflux and bloat.
• 10:37
  Angelica Ventrice: People always know those, right, but then also like extreme fatigue and migraines are also a sign, and constant headaches or allergies.
• 10:45
  Angelica Ventrice: Inability to shed weight right, you have a high level of gut dysbiosis, which is inflammation, so it can be very hard to shed weight.
• 10:52
  Angelica Ventrice: A high level of gut inflammation hard for your body to absorb the protein that you're eating to build lean muscle mass.
• 10:57
  Angelica Ventrice: It literally affects everything.
• 10:59
  Michelle Gauthier: If you suspect that your gut health is off.
• 11:02
  Michelle Gauthier: What's one step people could take to figure that out?
• 11:08
  Michelle Gauthier: Like a lifestyle change?
• 11:10
  Angelica Ventrice: I would say whichever, some more equally, I think that people will notice symptoms.
• 11:16
  Angelica Ventrice: I say paying attention to how you feel when you're eating.
• 11:18
  Angelica Ventrice: Are you constantly bloated, all day or just in the evening?
• 11:20
  Angelica Ventrice: Keeping a food log, even if it's just writing it down, and paying attention to how you feel?
• 11:24
  Angelica Ventrice: I would say most women are bloated.
• 11:27
  Angelica Ventrice: So how much caffeine are you intaking?
• 11:31
  Angelica Ventrice: Are you drinking enough water?
• 11:32
  Angelica Ventrice: Are you eating enough fiber?
• 11:34
  Angelica Ventrice: These are things people could start paying attention to.
• 11:36
  Angelica Ventrice: 25 to 30 grams of fiber a day is essential.
• 11:39
  Angelica Ventrice: Most people don't eat enough of that.
• 11:40
  Angelica Ventrice: Fiber is so essential for good gut health because it feeds the good gut bacteria.
• 11:44
  Angelica Ventrice: I'll just put it in layman's terms it feeds the healthy bacteria that we want to flourish.
• 11:49
  Angelica Ventrice: So you want eating plenty of fiber, fruits and veggies as well.
• 11:53
  Angelica Ventrice: We don't need to go into like the nitty gritty of free and probiotics you can get that from food but just making sure you're eating a variety of fruits and veggies and lean proteins and drinking plenty of water.
• 12:02
  Angelica Ventrice: Don't start your morning with coffee.
• 12:04
  Angelica Ventrice: Start your morning with warm lemon water.
• 12:06
  Angelica Ventrice: That stimulates the bile, gets the toxins released and stimulates your digestive system.
• 12:11
  Angelica Ventrice: Also, you're dehydrated when you wake up and you don't want to just jump to coffee.
• 12:15
  Angelica Ventrice: So making sure that you have some water and I strongly, strongly encourage the warm lemon water.
• 12:19
  Angelica Ventrice: It's really great.
• 12:20
  Michelle Gauthier: That sounds good actually.
• 12:22
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, it's such an easy thing.
• 12:23
  Angelica Ventrice: Just yeah, so easy.
• 12:25
  Angelica Ventrice: The water I squeeze a whole lemon in.
• 12:26
  Angelica Ventrice: It's very, very simple and it really makes the difference.
• 12:29
  Angelica Ventrice: Your stomach will look flatter, Get the digestive system moving.
• 12:32
  Angelica Ventrice: It's really good for you.
• 12:33
  Angelica Ventrice: It's good for you.
• 12:34
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, that's, those are great tips.
• 12:36
  Michelle Gauthier: Are there foods that will always cause bloat, or is it dependent on the person?
• 12:42
  Angelica Ventrice: That's a great question.
• 12:43
  Angelica Ventrice: I think it's dependent on the person, but in general, gluten wheat, excess of soy corn dairy, can cause inflammation.
• 12:52
  Angelica Ventrice: Dairy in America contains an inflammatory protein called casein.
• 12:56
  Angelica Ventrice: It's only found in America, not in Europe and other countries.
• 12:59
  Angelica Ventrice: Because of the way we process things here, gluten, even if you don't have celiac, can be highly inflammatory.
• 13:04
  Angelica Ventrice: I'm not saying never have dairy or gluten, just be conscious.
• 13:08
  Angelica Ventrice: Like I love pizza, I'm Italian, so we eat pizza like once a week, right?
• 13:11
  Angelica Ventrice: So, yes, I'm having some food and I'm having some dairy, but I'm not doing it every day.
• 13:14
  Angelica Ventrice: Does that make sense?
• 13:15
  Angelica Ventrice: And also paying attention to what type of proteins you're getting.
• 13:17
  Angelica Ventrice: Are they farm-raised or organic?
• 13:20
  Angelica Ventrice: Right, because if you buy a piece of salmon and it's farm-raised, that means it ingested antibiotics.
• 13:25
  Angelica Ventrice: You don't know what they're putting into the fish, right.
• 13:28
  Angelica Ventrice: But if you get wild-caught salmon, it's completely different.
• 13:31
  Angelica Ventrice: So, paying attention to what type of products you're buying is important.
• 13:34
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, that makes sense.
• 13:35
  Michelle Gauthier: I don't do dairy.
• 13:36
  Michelle Gauthier: It just upsets my stomach, it makes me feel terrible.
• 13:39
  Michelle Gauthier: I didn't used to be like that, but for the past five or so years I just really don't eat dairy.
• 13:43
  Michelle Gauthier: And this summer I took my kids to Europe for a couple weeks and I ate all the dairy right and I was completely fine, completely fine, that's what I'm saying.
• 13:51
  Angelica Ventrice: Same thing.
• 13:51
  Angelica Ventrice: I went to Italy.
• 13:52
  Angelica Ventrice: We ate pizza every day.
• 13:53
  Angelica Ventrice: My stomach was fine.
• 13:54
  Angelica Ventrice: If I ate pizza every day here would be a problem, or I ate pasta.
• 13:57
  Angelica Ventrice: Every day.
• 13:58
  Angelica Ventrice: I mean I would eat and I would go pregnant, literally.
• 14:00
  Angelica Ventrice: So it really is.
• 14:02
  Angelica Ventrice: This is why and I'm not to say yes to those, because I know the processing of what happens behind the scenes right.
• 14:16
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, like, let's put a lane in terms the more label reading you're doing, the worse it is for your system.
• 14:22
  Angelica Ventrice: So if you're buying things that are packaged, what's not going to be as good for you as just eating real fruits, veggies and lean protein, right?
• 14:28
  Angelica Ventrice: Do I like to eat gluten-free crackers here and there?
• 14:30
  Angelica Ventrice: Yes, of course.
• 14:31
  Angelica Ventrice: I like some chips.
• 14:32
  Angelica Ventrice: I live my life, but I think, just overall, avoiding excess of dairy, gluten, corn, soy is good for your system.
• 14:38
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, will be better on your stomach, better on your gut health, yes.
• 14:41
  Michelle Gauthier: And in your opinion, because everyone who listens to this podcast is overwhelmed and a working woman and so busy.
• 14:49
  Michelle Gauthier: And a working woman and so busy.
• 14:51
  Michelle Gauthier: Why do you think that women have such trouble slowing down, even when they know they're headed towards burnout or they're not taking care of their own health?
• 14:57
  Michelle Gauthier: I feel like most women consciously know like something's got to change here, but why do we have so much trouble slowing down in your opinion.
• 15:05
  Angelica Ventrice: Our identity is tied to achievement, our identity from a very young age.
• 15:10
  Angelica Ventrice: I'll speak for myself and the clients I work with.
• 15:12
  Angelica Ventrice: I'm sure you've encountered this as well.
• 15:15
  Angelica Ventrice: Super type A high achieving women like the women listening.
• 15:19
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, like everyone who's listening.
• 15:20
  Angelica Ventrice: Yes, everyone is the same the women that I work with, and this stems from a lot of times childhood, like, my parents put pressure on me to get good grades, just like, and that's where it starts.
• 15:30
  Angelica Ventrice: Or we play competitive sport, get to be the best.
• 15:32
  Angelica Ventrice: So our identity is literally, from the time we're very young, tied to our achievements and it's very hard to detach from that because that is our level of work.
• 15:43
  Angelica Ventrice: Oh, if I make X amount of money, I'm doing really well.
• 15:46
  Angelica Ventrice: If I do this in my career and achieve X accolade, I'm doing really well.
• 15:50
  Angelica Ventrice: And then we lose our own sense of self-worth, the internal sense, because along the way we got disconnected from it, because our identity was tied to high levels of achievement.
• 16:00
  Angelica Ventrice: It's very hard, even if we're heading toward burnout.
• 16:02
  Angelica Ventrice: I've done this too, like I know I'm burned out, I know I'm exhausted, but I keep pushing because I want to hit that next milestone in my business or help as many more women in my life.
• 16:09
  Angelica Ventrice: But I know I'm burnt down and exhausted, but I'm just so attached to that result.
• 16:14
  Angelica Ventrice: Yes, where the coaching around being less attached to the destination and being more present in the journey is so important and that's something we work on our clients with.
• 16:23
  Angelica Ventrice: Because if you're only looking to that end the destination I got to get there to the top of the mountain.
• 16:27
  Angelica Ventrice: Well, what happens when you're at the top of the mountain?
• 16:29
  Angelica Ventrice: Yes, you forgot the whole journey, you weren't present and now you're miserable.
• 16:33
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, exactly, and I think we always feel like when I get to whatever, when I'll be happy when you're not happy now, you're not going to be any more happy If we talk about generational trauma just how we're all wired.
• 16:46
  Angelica Ventrice: We're all wired for survival.
• 16:48
  Angelica Ventrice: We have to do a lot of work to get out of that fight or flight stress system Right, and that fight or flight is what gets us.
• 16:55
  Angelica Ventrice: I need that, I need to achieve, I need to keep going.
• 16:57
  Angelica Ventrice: But we need to really learn how to pull that back and say like no, I'm, I'm good enough, I'm worthy, I'm doing amazing, even if I don't hit X goal.
• 17:04
  Angelica Ventrice: And that's a lot of that's shadow work, that's ego work, that's work most people don't want to do.
• 17:09
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, exactly when you do it, you can be happy.
• 17:12
  Michelle Gauthier: No matter, and I think that's the powerful part.
• 17:15
  Michelle Gauthier: But when you said our identity is attached to success, I think that is one sentence I want everybody to really think about.
• 17:25
  Angelica Ventrice: Because our identity is attached to success and we also have just spent our whole lives praised for like pushing through, praised for the hustle, praised for all these athletes.
• 17:34
  Angelica Ventrice: You know what I mean.
• 17:34
  Angelica Ventrice: When I did pharmaceutical sales and I was the number one rep in the country for one of the drugs I sell, that felt really good, but it took a toll on my health
• 17:41
  Michelle Gauthier: Absolutely, and when I was I don't think I can do this anymore the only tool that I had was to just work harder.
• 17:48
  Michelle Gauthier: It was like I don't feel good, so I think I just need to work harder.
• 17:50
  Michelle Gauthier: I need to work harder.
• 17:51
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, it's like a work funk.
• 17:53
  Angelica Ventrice: Let me just work harder.
• 17:54
  Angelica Ventrice: And yeah, instead of like taking a step back and realizing that rest is a strategy for your business or your career.
• 18:00
  Angelica Ventrice: Rest is a strategy for your life, just like health is the biggest hack for business.
• 18:04
  Angelica Ventrice: My clients, who are thriving.
• 18:06
  Angelica Ventrice: They take care of themselves, they take care of themselves, they take care of their body, they take care of their mindset.
• 18:16
  Michelle Gauthier: So, yes, a rest for your body, even you know when you're.
• 18:17
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes.
• 18:18
  Michelle Gauthier: So if people are today just listening and like taking this in and thinking this sounds really interesting and knowing that they're not taking as good a care of themselves as they should, what are a couple easy changes?
• 18:25
  Michelle Gauthier: You gave us some for gut health, but what are a couple easy changes they can make?
• 18:29
  Michelle Gauthier: To start, what I hear so much is women being like I'm just so tired, I'm just so exhausted because I'm doing, oh yeah, I get.
• 18:36
  Angelica Ventrice: Let's go.
• 18:36
  Angelica Ventrice: I have a whole here.
• 18:38
  Angelica Ventrice: You're not going to start your morning checking your phone.
• 18:40
  Angelica Ventrice: You're going to start your morning turning inwards.
• 18:42
  Angelica Ventrice: I don't care if it's only three minutes.
• 18:45
  Angelica Ventrice: Do not check your phone, do not check the emails and not scroll Instagram.
• 18:47
  Angelica Ventrice: Do not answer the message.
• 18:48
  Angelica Ventrice: Take, do not check the emails, do not scroll Instagram, do not answer the message.
• 18:50
  Angelica Ventrice: Take that time to harness your own energy, your own soul energy.
• 18:54
  Angelica Ventrice: A lot of people wake up and they're on the phone right away.
• 18:57
  Angelica Ventrice: Their brain is already being overloaded by everyone and everything else putting themselves last.
• 19:02
  Angelica Ventrice: Start your day in a non-reactive mode.
• 19:05
  Angelica Ventrice: Turn inward, do some breathing, do some journaling.
• 19:09
  Angelica Ventrice: You don't need to write a novel, you don't need to even meditate for a half hour, but take one, do one minute of breathing and then you can go to three and then you can go to five.
• 19:17
  Angelica Ventrice: Do a guided meditation, then you'll drink your warm lemon water Very simple.
• 19:22
  Angelica Ventrice: Some other things you can do is not rolling in bed right before you go to sleep.
• 19:26
  Angelica Ventrice: All these things drain our energy and, just like all the time we spend on our phones like, give yourself a limit.
• 19:33
  Angelica Ventrice: For me, 8.30 is going down Like no more.
• 19:36
  Angelica Ventrice: There's no need to be working at that time.
• 19:37
  Angelica Ventrice: You need to shut it down, unless you have some big, major launch or project right.
• 19:41
  Angelica Ventrice: But in general, we don't need to be doing things like that.
• 19:43
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, take a midday, if you live in a warm climate, to stick your feet in the earth to get some sunlight, to get some vitamin D and give your body energy.
• 19:51
  Angelica Ventrice: If you don't live in a warm climate, you can buy grounding mats.
• 19:54
  Angelica Ventrice: You know, you can buy a red light Like.
• 19:56
  Angelica Ventrice: There's so many things that we can do to help give ourselves energy.
• 20:00
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, and just be able to spend time outside.
• 20:02
  Michelle Gauthier: I live somewhere where it's cold in the winter, but it's energizing to go for a walk when it's like cold, even if it's cold.
• 20:08
  Angelica Ventrice: There's really no excuse.
• 20:09
  Angelica Ventrice: When I visit my mom in New York, I take walks.
• 20:11
  Angelica Ventrice: I'm not like, oh, I can't get my steps in because it's freezing 18 degrees, which for me, coming from 82 in Maui, is extreme.
• 20:17
  Angelica Ventrice: But I bundle up and I go because you do feel a sense of being recharged.
• 20:21
  Angelica Ventrice: It's progress, not perfection, and it's the compound effect.
• 20:24
  Angelica Ventrice: The workouts don't need to be long, the meditations don't need to be long, but it's the compound effect over time.
• 20:29
  Angelica Ventrice: Nobody calmed their entire nervous system from one meditation.
• 20:32
  Angelica Ventrice: Nobody grew a booty from one workout in the gym.
• 20:35
  Angelica Ventrice: But it's a consistent effort over time.
• 20:38
  Angelica Ventrice: So do a little something that's going to move the needle forward and don't think it.
• 20:41
  Angelica Ventrice: You don't.
• 20:42
  Angelica Ventrice: It doesn't need to be this grandiose thing.
• 20:44
  Angelica Ventrice: I think high achieving perfectionists.
• 20:53
  Angelica Ventrice: For those of us where our identity is tied to achievement, we want it to be so big and so perfect.
• 20:54
  Angelica Ventrice: Or I have to work out for an hour, or I have to do the half hour meditation, or I have to do all the things.
• 20:54
  Angelica Ventrice: You don't need to do, all the things.
• 20:56
  Angelica Ventrice: You need to pick the things that work for you and make you feel good and then add on.
• 21:00
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, a little step, one little step at a time, and then you can keep adding.
• 21:04
  Michelle Gauthier: Exactly.
• 21:05
  Michelle Gauthier: Well, I want to close by asking you the two questions that I ask every guest when they come on the show.
• 21:10
  Michelle Gauthier: Is there anything that I didn't ask you that you want to share?
• 21:15
  Angelica Ventrice: I think because we talked about this a little bit before we hopped on.
• 21:17
  Angelica Ventrice: I think it's important to notate, since maybe a lot of the women listening are like 40s, 50s plus.
• 21:22
  Angelica Ventrice: I'm in perimenopause myself and I think that a lot of women, when they hit a certain age, they start to blame it on perimenopause or menopause.
• 21:29
  Angelica Ventrice: But I urge you to really take a look at your gut health, because your gut health, there's something in it called the estrobilome, which is just a fancy term for the gut bacteria that controls estrogen.
• 21:38
  Angelica Ventrice: If your estrobilome is off, you will have estrogen dominance, which will cause fatigue, weight gain, moodiness, that stubborn belly fat I think a lot of women are jumping to oh it's just my age.
• 21:49
  Angelica Ventrice: When it's really.
• 21:50
  Angelica Ventrice: We got to look at what's going on in my gut.
• 21:52
  Michelle Gauthier: That's great advice, because I think a lot of people get to that point and they're like okay, I guess this is just how it is now.
• 22:01
  Angelica Ventrice: I guess this is it.
• 22:01
  Angelica Ventrice: I turned 50.
• 22:01
  Angelica Ventrice: It's like no, but there's so much we can be doing and that's why I'm literally obsessed with gut health.
• 22:04
  Angelica Ventrice: Obviously lifestyle changes and nervous system regulation too.
• 22:06
  Angelica Ventrice: I don't believe that it's just telling people what to eat with their gut health.
• 22:09
  Angelica Ventrice: You have to regulate your nervous system to calm your entire body.
• 22:12
  Michelle Gauthier: Yes, yeah.
• 22:13
  Michelle Gauthier: That's why I like that you do the whole picture of gut health.
• 22:16
  Michelle Gauthier: What people should eat?
• 22:18
  Michelle Gauthier: Mindset Nervous yeah Nervous.
• 22:20
  Michelle Gauthier: System regulation yeah Nervous system regulation.
• 22:22
  Angelica Ventrice: Yeah, there's trillions of health coaching programs out there that give you meal plans and workouts.
• 22:26
  Angelica Ventrice: You can actually go to chat GPT and look that stuff up yourself.
• 22:29
  Angelica Ventrice: But what we do, where we really help, is that mindset piece and that nervous system regulation, along with the cuts of gut health, because that's what leads to you know, your body being much less inflamed and you feeling better getting on that burner.
• 22:47
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, okay, great, I think that's great.
• 22:48
  Michelle Gauthier: We just did a whole episode on menopause, so I know at least some of the people listening are in peri or menopausal.
• 22:51
  Michelle Gauthier: Okay, so the questions that I ask everyone.
• 22:53
  Michelle Gauthier: The first one is what is something you do when you feel overwhelmed to make yourself feel better?
• 22:58
  Angelica Ventrice: When I feel overwhelmed, I typically will go jump in the ocean, and I know I have that luxury living here.
• 23:03
  Angelica Ventrice: Raleigh, that's your answer.
• 23:04
  Angelica Ventrice: That's awesome.
• 23:05
  Angelica Ventrice: For someone who doesn't live near water.
• 23:07
  Angelica Ventrice: You can stick your face in a cold bowl of water.
• 23:09
  Angelica Ventrice: I do that every morning, but that also helps regulate your nervous system.
• 23:13
  Angelica Ventrice: It's also very good for your skin and your pores, tightening the skin.
• 23:15
  Angelica Ventrice: Not everyone is near the ocean or body of water.
• 23:18
  Angelica Ventrice: I dunk three times.
• 23:26
  Angelica Ventrice: I don't know why, but three, three with three, if we feel like the magic numbers.
• 23:27
  Angelica Ventrice: And I scream under the water, oh nice.
• 23:28
  Angelica Ventrice: And then when you come out, you're like, yeah, no reset, here we go, okay.
• 23:30
  Michelle Gauthier: And then what is something that you do to save time for yourself or to do less Like an example would be ordering your groceries instead of going to the store?
• 23:39
  Michelle Gauthier: What's something that you do to save yourself time?
• 23:41
  Angelica Ventrice: Well, I like multitask in the morning, so while I meditate I have my red light mask on, so I save a little bit of time there, so I'm not having to do it later in the day.
• 23:51
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, that's great, great.
• 23:52
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you so much for being on.
• 23:54
  Michelle Gauthier: I really appreciate insights and your great tips.
• 23:57
  Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, tell everyone where they can find you if they're interested in learning more about your program or your business in learning more about your program or your business Like.
• 24:04
  Angelica Ventrice: Send me on Instagram @ The Angelica Ventrice.
• 24:06
  Angelica Ventrice: Send me a message.
• 24:07
  Angelica Ventrice: I have a free gut healing meal plan or a free course available, so just send me a message and let me know what you need and we'll be happy to send it over.
• 24:14
  Michelle Gauthier: Sounds perfect.
• 24:15
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you so much.
• 24:15
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you.
• 24:16
  Michelle Gauthier: Thank you for listening to the Overwhelmed Working Woman podcast.
• 24:24
  Michelle Gauthier: If you wanna learn more about my work, head over to my website at michellegauthier.
• 24:28
  Michelle Gauthier: com.
• 24:30
  Michelle Gauthier: See you next week.