Latest / The Uncensored Catholic / Show 47: Music that is appropriate for Holy Mass
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- 1:00Hey, y'all, welcome to today's show. Today, we're actually going to
- 1:03get into an oddly controversial topic. You know, the music that is played
- 1:12during Mass is something I don't know, maybe enough most people don't think much
- 1:22about, but it's actually supposed to be a part of worship. And all
- 1:30I can say is, in maybe the parishes I've attended, it has been
- 1:37perfectly horrible, and a lot of people like it. I get that a
- 1:42lot of people like modern praise and worship music, which I think is absolutely
- 1:48abysmal, really untoward. You know, when I was when I was at
- 1:57a certain Southern Baptist university, the modern praise and worship music was well as
- 2:05loud as a rock concert to start with, and as insipid as a pop
- 2:09song. If you took the word baby and exchange it for Jesus. You
- 2:15remember that old line from what was its sister Act that you know, probably
- 2:19the only good movie WHOOPI Goldberg ever did. And I complained about it,
- 2:24and I was told I was arrogant and hardhearted. You know, there are
- 2:30actually good Protestant hymns, traditional hymns. They were not being played. What
- 2:40was being played was this modern pop music that turned everything into essentially just a
- 2:46concert with a sermon in the middle. You know, there's no certainly no
- 2:53Eucharus, there was no Mass given, there was no Holy Communion. You
- 3:00heard an instrument inspirational message in between the blaring music and the people jumping up
- 3:07and down and waving their hands and telling you how moved by the spirit they
- 3:10were. I was not so moved. I attended those that were compulsory and
- 3:19finally figured out the secret. See at said Southern Baptist University, every student
- 3:27is required to go to what they call convocation, essentially a modern church service,
- 3:32the kind of thing you see at a megachurch every day. And because
- 3:38they live in the dorms, they have people who watch them, people who
- 3:45tell on them. Each floor has its own leader, and each one would
- 3:51report to the one for that dorm, who would report to the higher up
- 3:54who would eventually go to Basically, I don't remember exactly what they called it,
- 4:00like a tribunal essentially that would enforce the morals of the school. And
- 4:06if someone was dressed inappropriately, if someone was seeing drinking a beer or smoking
- 4:11a cigarette, etc. They would be reprimanded. And you know, one
- 4:17thing that angered me very much. That had said school, which well,
- 4:21I would not name, but if you've listened to the school this showed long
- 4:25enough, you fear out what it was. There are a lot of homosexuals
- 4:30on the campus, and a lot of them are in rather high positions.
- 4:38One of them was actually one of the main leaders in the music department and
- 4:44another in the theater department, and they went around and they were big ways
- 4:47for the school to recruit new students, and so there's a lot of gay
- 4:51sex going on, and they turned a blind eye to it because they didn't
- 4:56want to admit they had homosexuals on campus. And frankly, they tried to
- 5:01strip from naturally masculine men just about everything that comes to us masculinely from God.
- 5:09And if you complained, you would be reprimanded. And eventually I was
- 5:15asked to leave the school, not for any infringement, although I was living
- 5:21off campus, and I realized there was no one to wrap me out if
- 5:25I didn't go to convocation. I quit going. And of course, I
- 5:30mean, I was in my you know, twenties at the time, and
- 5:34I'm a regular Southern guy and I want to have a beer with my barbecue.
- 5:38I don't care what anybody thinks about it. The Bible doesn't say it's
- 5:40wrong. God doesn't say it wrong. Jesus made wine, and Jesus can't
- 5:45sin, and so drinking a glass of wine or a beer is certainly not
- 5:48a sin, not drunkenness, you know whatever. But after witnessing the brother
- 5:57of a friend who had actually been kicked out of school because he was caught
- 6:00fooling around with his girlfriend, which is perfectly natural heterosexual behavior for a you
- 6:08know, eighteen to twenty one year old man and woman, while they were
- 6:13turning a blind eye to the homosexuals who were rampantly, rampantly recruiting and seducing
- 6:23people on campus into homosexual behavior, they were promoted and praised in any way,
- 6:31I complained about it a little bit, and then they really wanted to
- 6:39kick me out. And but that's actually the reason they kicked me out was
- 6:44because I told people, Well, I told one person, I was beginning
- 6:48to think maybe the Catholic Church was right about things and maybe Protestantism was misguided.
- 6:56So anyway, I was accosted, we should say, the head of
- 7:00the rules committee or whatever it was, and asked to leave. So what
- 7:08may have started with a complaint of a really I would say sacrilegious music ended
- 7:14in me being foresight of the school for a variety of reasons, but not
- 7:19any true violation of their code of ethics of which they were aware, or
- 7:26at least they didn't know. I wasn't going to their abominable convocations. Yeah,
- 7:32so we're going to get into music. And it is controversial because there
- 7:35are a lot of faithful Catholics who frankly have horrible taste in music. Yeah,
- 7:43you know, not where I live now, but very near me is
- 7:48a college town and the Catholic church is usually usually pack and everything. And
- 7:55I found this to be true and just about every Catholic church in a college
- 8:01town. The music is not Gregorian chants. Certainly, the music is not
- 8:07the classical music of you know, Beethoven and Mozart Bach. I know.
- 8:11The music is sort of like folky acoustic guitars, drums and keyboards, very
- 8:18modern music for which people are being paid commissions, as opposed to the grand
- 8:24masters of old who dedicated their lives to the service of God. And it's
- 8:31what one of my priests friends, the man who confirm me in the church
- 8:37would have called hoot nanny music, and he hated it as much as I
- 8:41do. I know it's gonna offend some people. I'm sorry, but I
- 8:45am going to read. I'm going to kind of basis on Father Sparago's book
- 8:48from the eighteen hundreds, the Exhaustive Catechism, the Exhaustive Explanation of the Catechism
- 8:54of the Catholic Church, and we're going to talk about what really ought to
- 8:58happen at Mass. And you know, if you if you, if you
- 9:01disagree with me, yeah, this okay, if you kind of listen next
- 9:07time you get a Mass. And the music is insipidum, the lyrics are
- 9:16repetitive, and it's like not the highest art man can offer up as service
- 9:26to God. You know, maybe fine, Father Sparago's book. There are
- 9:31several free copies on archive dot org if you can't Perford one, and you
- 9:35know, you can get a used copy fairly cheap. A new copy I
- 9:37think ten books carries them fairly expensive because it's like a seven hundred and fifty
- 9:41page book. I mean, it is exhaustive. When he's a exhaustive let
- 9:45me tell you I Father Sparago could write and uh yeah, but we'll get
- 9:50into that and in just a minute. And I think the contrast between what
- 9:54we hear at mass um I can think about during the UK or it's usually
- 10:00just what one or two verses of three or four songs that you probably know.
- 10:05I don't have to mention them, and I won't because I'm afraid I'll
- 10:07leave one out or whatever, just repeated over and over and over and over.
- 10:16You know, the Gregorian chants came in as a way of lifting up
- 10:22the heart and praising God. Instruments didn't even enter into the church until later
- 10:26on. And then this vocal music that the modern Catholic Church seems to require,
- 10:37it's kind of degenerated dramatically. And maybe we need to jerk some chains.
- 10:41Maybe we need to complain to our pre some bishops, and maybe we
- 10:46need to ask why are Catholic universities giving people degrees in music to teach them
- 10:52to play utter, simplistic garbage. Look, I'm a musician, so this
- 10:56isn't an issue for me. Maybe it's not to you. I play,
- 11:00oh gosh, maybe ten instruments, and some of them at a pretty high
- 11:05level. I'm not very good on the violin. I'll put it that way.
- 11:09I like to mess around with it. You can put a mandolin in
- 11:11my hands and I can play anything from Bach to Bill Monroe. You put
- 11:16a guitar in my hands and I can play anything from Segovia to chet Atkins
- 11:22or to Eric Clapton and a lot of jazz. I'm really a jazz guy.
- 11:28I mean, I like to listen to the really pre nineteen sixties jazz
- 11:33guitarists, and that's really, you know, what I love. So I'm
- 11:37not saying like I would go into a church and play classical music. I
- 11:43would not go into a church with one of my instruments, but I would
- 11:46love to hear music that actually lifts the spirit and you know, edifies and
- 11:56praises God in the highest form of the art. And this, you know,
- 12:01kind of repetitive strumming of acoustic guitar drums or just acquire kind of seeing
- 12:09something that's been written in the last fifty years that has as much depth as
- 12:16a small puddle is just not it's just not getting it. And they have
- 12:24to pay. They have to pay the publishers of this new music. There's
- 12:28actually a big financial one Senate for them to get this frankly garbage into all
- 12:33churches, and we really need to, I think, get away from that.
- 12:37Of course I would like to hear Latin in the Mass as well,
- 12:41so you know both. Francis, who has some odd angst against tradition,
- 12:50would probably disagree with me vehemently. But I don't think conga drums and you
- 13:01know, tambourines or have a place in the Mass. I just don't.
- 13:05But before we get into that, let's take a couple of passages from Radio
- 13:11Replies, this wonderful book by the priests in the nineteen thirties. These are
- 13:15some very interesting passages. Actually, someone wrote in and said, Spinosa said
- 13:22that if God created the world for an object, he desires something he lacks,
- 13:26which denies his infinite perfection. They answer, Spinosa's objection is not valid.
- 13:33He fails to distinguish between God's essential constitution, which is necessary to his
- 13:39being, and his free operation resulting created things. If God's creating operations were
- 13:46necessary, Spinosa would be right. But God did not create the world in
- 13:50order to acquire perfection necessary to himself. He created to bestow perfection upon others.
- 13:58If I am laboring to acquire something I lack, I want if I
- 14:01give to others, that proves not my lack but my superabundance. Well,
- 14:09that is a It's an interesting concept. If God is perfect, eternal,
- 14:15in need of nothing, why did he create the world. He created it
- 14:18because of benevolence. God is a god of love. We did not have
- 14:24to exist. He made us because he loves us. His love predates us.
- 14:31We are a result, not something necessary to him. He grieves when
- 14:39we are lost, but if we are lost, it takes nothing away from
- 14:43Him who is perfect, complete, in eternal. Another one asked him,
- 14:48men, whilst earthbound, understand the working of the divine mind. I wish
- 14:52people still use words like whilst. That's a good word, but the answer,
- 15:00the divine mind does not work. God does not have to reason slowly
- 15:03and painfully to conclusions as men can do as men do. His divine intelligence
- 15:09is permanent and as simultaneous act of perfect knowledge, embracing all things past,
- 15:15present, and future. We cannot fully understand God's being, knowledge and plans.
- 15:20However, Saint Paul rightly said that the Pagan Romans were inexcusable for not
- 15:24noting the power and divinity of the true God, invisible things, and for
- 15:28not having glorified him nor given him thanks. If it were beyond the power
- 15:33of man to know this much of God, they would not have been excusable.
- 15:39I think it's an important point because God plants him the soul in the
- 15:43mind and the heart of every man, a seed of appreciation for what is
- 15:50beyond us, for beauty. You know, the animals. As much as
- 15:54I love my dog, he cannot look at a beautiful view and appreciate.
- 16:00He can't look at a beautiful painting, or hear a piece of music and
- 16:03be moved by it. It's not in the power of a dog. Now
- 16:07music can calm an animal. Certainly, he loves to go hiking with me
- 16:11and sit on a cliff and smell the wind as it comes up and it
- 16:15blows through his ears. But he's not aware of beauty in the way that
- 16:18a man is, because he actually doesn't have the rods and cones and his
- 16:22eyes which will allow him to see the depth of color that we do.
- 16:30He has no conscious reasoning ability to know from whence he came, I'll use
- 16:36a good word, or where he's going. He's entirely in the moment and
- 16:42beyond physical needs. And wants and the basic affection. A dog can show.
- 16:52He cannot perceive things that are beyond his ability to understand, whereas man,
- 16:57because we have been given these gifts, because we have that perception,
- 17:03we can be very much aware that there's something beyond which we can understand.
- 17:10We can be very much in awe. A dog cannot be in awe.
- 17:15And when one has all, one has a sense of something profoundly greater than
- 17:21himself. And therefore, every human being ever born, unless they're well,
- 17:30probably there are some that you would say would be almost in it's a horrible
- 17:33word to use, a vegetative state, so mentally handicapped that they're not really
- 17:40aware of what's going on around them. They may not be able to consciously
- 17:45understand such concepts, but each one of them is loved by the Creator and
- 17:52has the ability to love the Creator, and a sense that such love as
- 18:00siri. And the third question we'll get to, have we attained a full
- 18:06knowledge of God? Or are we advancing towards the fullness of the truth?
- 18:11Well, that's an interesting statement the progressive model. We'll just leave it that.
- 18:17The progressive model says that man is constantly progressing that's you know, a
- 18:23concept becomes out of the so called enlightenment. Well, if you actually look
- 18:27at things, things have gone real bad since then. World Wars, communist
- 18:33revolutions, hundreds of millions of deaths by people who proposed a political system that
- 18:40denied the reality of God. And we're pretty darned degenerate in this country right
- 18:45now. You don't believe me, Look at Hunter Biden's laptop, right or
- 18:51any movie just about that comes up, and most of the modern music,
- 18:56well they answered. The fullest revelation of those things of God which man is
- 19:00intended to know, has been made. As far as this life goes,
- 19:03we believe it or revealed religion. We believe in truth revealed by God.
- 19:08It has been given by Christ, as we shall see later on. No
- 19:14man yet has sounded the full depths of the truths revealed by Christ. And
- 19:18as we progress in the knowledge of His doctrines, we get nearer and nearer
- 19:22to the fullness of truth which is possible in this earth. I am speaking
- 19:26of the knowledge to be attained by individuals. The fullness of truth is contained
- 19:30in the deposit of faith confided to the Catholic Church, The perfect fullness of
- 19:34knowledge is possible only in the heavenly vision of God. No matter how smart
- 19:42you are, you're not ever going to be as smart as God and man
- 19:48kind, I guess I should say mankind, not man is masculine is limited
- 19:55in our view. We can only see as far as we can see and
- 20:00understand as far as our minds can go. If you think about this,
- 20:03the transhumanists are working on this project that they call the Synchronicity. They're going
- 20:11to bring together all the knowledge and create this AI artificial intelligence, which will
- 20:17be essentially an artificial God. However, man is only Man is limited by
- 20:26his ability, and this Synchronicity will be limited by the ability of all the
- 20:30inputs in it and the man installed reasoning ability that it will allow it to
- 20:36be more logical, more able to work with the information it's given. That's
- 20:45essentially essentially I would say that's like well the Tower Babble for instance, no
- 20:52matter how high they could build that tower, they could never reach Heaven.
- 20:56I mean, assuming they could have kept building it and building it, essentially
- 21:00they you know, they would have gotten to a point where there wasn't enough
- 21:03oxygen to go further, and their minds at the time thought that God was
- 21:07actually up in the sky somewhere. Mankind will always be limited by our ability
- 21:17to comprehend reality. And if we truly comprehended reality, I'm afraid there very
- 21:26few of us could actually survive the revelation if we actually saw things as they
- 21:32were. I don't think I don't think anyone on earth could handle what's actually
- 21:41going on around us. You know, Saint Paul said, do you not
- 21:45know that we were surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses? Many saints,
- 21:52especially exorcists, have said that we're surrounded by angels and demons. We're
- 21:59in a constant battle. God blessed us with the normalcy bias, which allows
- 22:03us to believe that if we were okay yesterday, we'll be okay today,
- 22:07we'll be okay tomorrow. A lot of times it gets disrupted, you know,
- 22:11war, a hurricane, something like that, and we're powerless. We
- 22:15can't we haven't prepared, we don't know, we didn't see it coming.
- 22:18And those of us who do prepare can only prepare so far. It's not
- 22:22like we can look down the road and think, well, this is going
- 22:23to happen one hundred years ago from now, so I'm going to go ahead
- 22:26and do this for myself and my family. No, it's just not within
- 22:30human ability. And to think that we can think things out far enough to
- 22:33actually know the nature of being, the nature of the physical and spiritual,
- 22:41is utterly impossible. Utterly impossible. All right, So let's get into music.
- 22:51What did Father Sparrago say about singing at Mass? Now, let's remember
- 22:55this is the eighteen hundreds, this is long before Vatican Two, This is
- 22:59long before it was anything other than the traditional Latin Mass, and Father Sparrago
- 23:04would not have been a fan of the modern the modern liturgy. He just
- 23:11preceding this chapter, it went at great link to explain why Latin is the
- 23:15appropriate language for the Mass outside of the homily, which should be given in
- 23:22the vernacular, the language that the people can understand the holy elements of the
- 23:26Mass, he was very clear, should have been kept the same as in
- 23:32the earliest Christian Church. As in the early Christian Church. He wanted us
- 23:37to use the words and the language of the first Christians in the singing of
- 23:45Mass. He says, the church makes use of an accompaniment to the Mass.
- 23:52I just mispronounced that word and accompaniment. She was the Old Brother Warret
- 23:56though one of my favorite movies. You know, I actually love country music
- 24:02and folk music and all that stuff, So I'm not saying that I don't
- 24:06there's not a place for that music as well. I actually play country music
- 24:10and blues and all that. I don't play high mass music, and so
- 24:15you know, I'm very much indeficit when it comes to that knowledge. But
- 24:22they said this farows are a company. A company, he's a fellow.
- 24:26What plays a guitar. So I suppose as good as I can do with
- 24:29that word right now. The singing of which the church makes use is an
- 24:34accompany imant accompaniment to the mass is what is known as the Gregorian chant.
- 24:42This may be heard at high Mass when the priest sings the preference to the
- 24:47pattern noster and when he begins the gloria or credo. This style of music,
- 24:52I guess if you don't speak Latin, I know I had Protestants listening,
- 24:56or younger Catholics converts like me for whom Latin can be a challenge.
- 25:00The pattern noster is the our Father, the gloria is glory be to the
- 25:06Father's sign of the Holy Spirit. The credo is the Apostles creed. You
- 25:08know, I believe in one God, the Father in lighty. The style
- 25:12of music is called Gregorian because it was brought to perfection and introduced into general
- 25:18use by Pope Saint Gregory the Great. It is believed that it was by
- 25:22divine inspiration or through direct revelation that this saint did so much in the interests
- 25:29of church music. Now, think about that. The church at this point,
- 25:34for oh, I don't know, fifteen hundred years had said that the
- 25:40music in the mass of Gregorian chant was given by divine inspiration. Now,
- 25:45as an herblist, one of my favorite saints is Saint Hildegard von Benjon.
- 25:48She composed quite a bit of the music of the Gregorian chants, and she
- 25:55said it came directly from the songs of the angels. I haven't heard a
- 26:03lot of singing at church lately, except when the priest's you know, doing
- 26:08his traditional bit that I could say came directly from the angels. No,
- 26:15it sounds like some guy strumming a guitar or plunking away on a piano that
- 26:19came up with a little rhyme and a ditty and put it together with some
- 26:22words out of the Bible. I can't complain with the words from the Bible,
- 26:29but it's not exactly the highest level of music, is it. The
- 26:33chant is marked by extreme gravity, tranquil solemnity, majestic dignity. It is
- 26:40free from all rapid movements, florid passages, all striving after effect. It
- 26:47is the language of another, a higher sphere. It is truly the voice
- 26:51of prayer and of praise. In the Gregorian style, special attension is paid
- 26:55to the text, the words of which are plainly audible. The utiful,
- 27:00subdued melody holds a secondary place. The style of chanting is not hampered by
- 27:04restrictions of time and measure, and that gives it the irresistible power it possesses
- 27:10over the feelings as an eloquent as an eloquent discourse carries away the heart.
- 27:17Gregorian music under undergoes no change. Like Latin, the language of the Church,
- 27:22it is always in everywhere the same, Hence it is Hence it admirably
- 27:26corresponds to the nature and characteristics of the Church, particularly her unity and universality.
- 27:33Many devout Christians prefer the style singing to any other because it is a
- 27:38stimulus to recollection and devotion. In addition to the Gregorian chant, we have
- 27:44in our church's congregational singing hymns in which the people join. Instrumental music as
- 27:49an accompaniment to the singing, is played on the organ, violin, or
- 27:53other musical instruments. Congregational singing had its origin in the first centuries with the
- 27:59Vernac There was the language of the religion, and the people joined in in
- 28:03some portions of the liturgy that was chanted. But when in the fifth century
- 28:07the Teutonic tribes overran Italy and the national language took a new form, and
- 28:12the people could no longer join in these parts of the liturgy, which were
- 28:15sung in Latin, hymns to be sung and the vulgar tongue were introduced.
- 28:21By vulgar he just means common language, vulgata means common. The singing of
- 28:26the hymns and canticles was more popular in Germany than elsewhere. That's very important.
- 28:30We'll get to that to minute. Yeah, Hymns full of sterling piety
- 28:37for processions, pilgrimage and anthems in honor of our Lady were composed and set
- 28:41to simple but splendid melodies. Luther was the ruin of church music? Who
- 28:48does that surprise anyone? Does it surprise anyone that the beginning of the ruin
- 28:52of church music would be Martin Luther? Seriously, he took advantage of the
- 28:59natural love of psalmodier singing and employed it as a means of propagating his erroneous
- 29:04tenets. It is said that he perverted more Catholics by his Psalm singing than
- 29:10by his preaching. The chorls to which Psalm, the corals to which he
- 29:15gave the principal place in divine worship, were of so exciting and nature that
- 29:21is said that while singing them, many a one felt himself urged to use
- 29:25his fists as well as his voice in spreading the new teaching. Yeah,
- 29:30I've experienced such as that. I've been in a what we might call a
- 29:37super church, a Protestant convocation at aforementioned Southern Baptist university, where there was
- 29:45a song sung against other denominations and religions, and people got real fired up.
- 29:52They were jumping up and down, and it was simlicided old. There
- 30:00was not a lot of brotherly love going on in there, and it was
- 30:06quite a peppy song based on a old sort of a southern gospel bluegrass type
- 30:11melody. And yeah, well I can give you another example. I can't
- 30:18remember the name of that song, but many, many Protestants who consider that
- 30:22those very traditional love the song old time religion. Give me that old time
- 30:26religion. That's good enough for me. A great song, fantastic song from
- 30:29a musical perspective. As a guitarist, it is, you know, it's
- 30:33three chords, it resolves perfectly, and it's got a good tempo, and
- 30:37people really get into it. But what they're saying in that song, give
- 30:42me that old time religion. That old time religion isn't the Catholic Church.
- 30:45They actually are talking about the more like primitive Baptist Pentecostal And people get like
- 30:52fired up when they sing that song. Another give you the Battle him of
- 30:56the Republic. Now, I know some people are going to take issue this.
- 31:00The Battle Hymn of the Republic is perhaps one of the most recognizable songs
- 31:04in American music. You know, miz of Seeing the Glory of the Coming
- 31:10of the Okay, that was the battle song of the Union Army in the
- 31:15Civil War. It is a secular hymn. It is taking a religious theme
- 31:21and applying it to the Union Army in the claim that that was the sword
- 31:29of God. Do I have to remind you that the Union Army burned every
- 31:33Catholic church they could find in most of the South. They were seeing His
- 31:38truth is marching on as they were slaughtering innocent people and burning Catholic churches.
- 31:45Now you may think the Union cause was just. I would probably not agree
- 31:51with you on that. I would probably not agree with you on that at
- 31:55all, and that's because it is more complicated than it's taught in school.
- 32:00I opposed slavery just as well as anyone else. But I do think that
- 32:04was an issue that could be worked out legislatively and did not need a war.
- 32:08And I also know that my ancestors who signed the Constitution in the Decoration
- 32:15of Independence, did so with the belief that they retained the right to leave
- 32:19the Union when they chose. If they felt the Union was no longer beneficial,
- 32:23they left the Union. When the Civil War essentially began in at Fort
- 32:30Sumtern, South Carolina, without a single death. It was entirely peaceful.
- 32:36They said, we the state of South Carolina no longer want to be part
- 32:38of the United States, and the United States responded by sending armies to burn
- 32:43people's homes, rape the women killed, burn the crops, star people are
- 32:46death. There were atrocities on both sides. But I think that's a discussion
- 32:51we could certainly have a respectful debate about about which we could certainly have a
- 32:54respectful debate to take that battle so called which glorifies a lot of murder and
- 33:05killing and war crimes, true absolute war crimes, and singing in churches is
- 33:10sacrilegious, and yet it will be sung in most of the churches in the
- 33:15United States at least once this year. Again, musically it is an almost
- 33:22perfect song, the cadence, the rhythm is quite moving. That doesn't mean
- 33:27it has a place in a church, and it should never be sung in
- 33:30a Catholic church, because our Goddess a God of peace, not of war.
- 33:37If there was any possibility of settling that controversy, which was really not
- 33:45over slavery, believe it or not, it was over many issues. For
- 33:50one, New York going to build the Erie Canal and wanted the whole country
- 33:53to pay for it, and the Southern States said nope, that was at
- 33:58least as bigger reason slavery. You know, that's again, that's a debate,
- 34:02but if there was any chance of settling it, you know, I
- 34:07can also tell you that Lincoln told his generals they could keep their slaves if
- 34:10they sided with the Union, after saying he had absolutely no intention of freeing
- 34:15the slaves. He was not. He was certainly not a man without racial
- 34:20bias. It changed his tune a little bit later after, you know,
- 34:22he talked with Frederick Douglas and all that. But you know, Robert E.
- 34:28Lee was far more opposed to slavery than Generals Grants and Sherman and certainly
- 34:34Abraham Lincoln. And if you don't believe me, go back and read their
- 34:37writings. And I think those men could have sat down and worked it out.
- 34:42After all, Abraham Lincoln asked General Lee to be the head Union officer,
- 34:47and General Lee said, no, if you're going to invade my state,
- 34:50I'm going to protect my home and my family. You know, obviously
- 34:53I'm a little biased to one side, but that's a debate. You can
- 34:57have. What you should not have is a song glorifying war and the slaughter
- 35:02of innocence ever sung in a Catholic Church or in any church. Well.
- 35:09Getting back to father Sparrago, he said, the Catholics of that period met
- 35:15Lutheran on his own ground. They too composed him some defense of their doctrines.
- 35:22The doctrines, he attacked, this was the cause of a lamentable deterioration,
- 35:25both in the spiritual songs themselves and in the time and measure of the
- 35:29melodies to which they were sung. And the effect is felt today. So
- 35:32he doesn't but the blame on one side, he said, Catholic shouldn't have
- 35:35done it either. It's pretty much when I'm saying, when it comes from
- 35:37north and south, Congregational singing during Mass should only be allowed in moderation so
- 35:44as to leave every worshiper free to enter into the spirit of the holy mysteries.
- 35:49That's very important, and not to interfere with the private devotions of anyone
- 35:52present. How many times have you been kneeling, you know, and you're
- 35:57saying prayers, you're giving your petition to God, and suddenly everybody's they've seen
- 36:01right, You got to cut it short. That was not what was intended
- 36:06by the fallows of the church. Instrumental music in churches enables us to lift
- 36:10up the heart to God with greater facility. I believe that as well.
- 36:15I believe music is the language of the angels. That's what Saint Hildegard wrote
- 36:19quite extensively on There's just something about music that can move the heart more than
- 36:25words. Delight in the melody disposes the mind of the weaker brethren to deeper
- 36:31devotion and an aid in rising the thoughts from natural to the supernatural. It
- 36:37must, however, be remembered, that the instrumental music is only an accessory.
- 36:42It is accompaniment to vocal music, and it serves to accentuate the words
- 36:45they are sung in divine worship, the simple words of prayer alone, or
- 36:51their more solemn form of sacred music, or of main importance because they're the
- 36:54outcome of the heart. The orchestral componiment is an accessory. It can well
- 37:00be dispensed with. In other words, the words are more important than the
- 37:02music. Quite obviously, Quite obviously, I think we should say the playing
- 37:08ought never to drown the singing or render the words sung unintelligible. How many
- 37:14times have we heard that? Still less thought the instrumental music be calculated rather
- 37:19to please the ear than to touch the heart and awaken pious emotions, for
- 37:22in that case it would be a hindrance, not a help to prayer.
- 37:25Ye. Exactly, for the earthly minded Jews, instrumental music was necess was
- 37:30necessary on account of their weakness, for only through the pleasure of the senses
- 37:35could they be stimulated to strive after nobler aims. In early days of Christianity,
- 37:39no instrumental music was heard at the time of divine worship, for the
- 37:44Christians would not have had there would not have their prayers mingle with the notes
- 37:49of instruments which were associated with pagan dances and idolatrous ceremonies. Oregans were first
- 37:54introduced in the churches in the eighth century. In the sixteenth century, when
- 38:00kings and princes, who were the patrons of music, had orchestras attached to
- 38:02their courts, we find instruments of various kinds violence, flutes, etc.
- 38:07In the churches. So not until the eighteenth century where people bring in a
- 38:12lot of instruments. Later on, professional bandmasters were engaged to conduct their choirs
- 38:17and churches, and unfortunately they introduced secular melodies into the House of God,
- 38:22and performance of these compositions, no heed was paid to the sacred words of
- 38:27the liturgy. The music stood on its own, which is really a big
- 38:30problem with the music and church today. Among those who contributed most to the
- 38:36reform of church music was Palestrina, the papal choirmaster of the Vatican. He
- 38:40composed several masses of a solemn and dignified character, in which due prominence was
- 38:45given to the words. His name is immortalized by the missa. Was that
- 38:51Missa Poppe Morchilli I guess a contemporary of his of Dutch origin, Orlando di
- 38:59Lasso, choir master of the latter in Church in Rome, asserted himself in
- 39:04the same direction. He was called the King of composers and was the author
- 39:07of eight hundred secular compositions besides fifteen hundred sacred works. That's impressive. The
- 39:15finest of the latter is the seven Penitential Psalms, arranged for five voices,
- 39:22in which the feelings of penitence and compunction are expressed in a masterly manner.
- 39:28Gabrielli, organists of Saint Mark's in Venice and a Leg are also celebrated composers.
- 39:36The Misserrie for Holy Week, written by the last name, with nine
- 39:39parts and a double score as much esteemed. These masters promoted vocal music without
- 39:45accompaniment more than instrumental music, for which they did little. Instrumental music owes
- 39:50to such composers as Bach, a native of pronounced Isach Eisenach, I guess
- 39:58in seventeen fifty, who say good music is distinguished by its serious religious tone.
- 40:01I really do like Bach. Emo Fi Asparago City wasn't the best big
- 40:07fan of Bok. Actually, towards the close of the eighteenth century, instrumental
- 40:13music was brought to great perfection by Hayden and Austrian who composed fifteen masses,
- 40:17another one of my favorites. He died in eighteen o nine. And Vienna.
- 40:22Mozart, native of Salzburg, who attracted attention as a boy by his
- 40:27musical talent, composed fifteen masses before he was eighteen years old. Really hard
- 40:31to be Mozart, honestly, my word, he was good. He died
- 40:37at the age of thirty five at Vienna. And Beethoven, of course,
- 40:40native a Bond, who wrote two masses of prodigious links. He died in
- 40:45eighteen twenty seven at Vienna. The works of these composers cannot be considered as
- 40:51models of what sacred music ought to be. Though so I think as great
- 40:53as we think of those composers, Father Sparago said, no nowhere near as
- 40:57good as Gregorian chants. They do not reflect the spirit of the Church.
- 41:01In the Gregorian music, they may express feelings and devotion. Otherwise they differ
- 41:06little from sexular composition and bear the stamp of the age in which they were
- 41:09written. In recent times, much has been done for the improvement of the
- 41:15church music by the Society of Saint Cecilia, found in eighteen sixty seven in
- 41:19Regisburg, the object of which is to train choirs to raise congregational seeing to
- 41:24a higher level, and to introduce instrumental music of a nature to correspond with
- 41:30the liturgy of the Church. The rules of the society were confirmed by Pope
- 41:34Pious the Ninth in eighteen seventy and if only, if only we had a
- 41:39pope like Pope Bias the Ninth, things have deteriorated to the state that most
- 41:47of the music played at most masses and most Catholic churches, at least in
- 41:52the United States, is absolutely abysmal. That's my opinion. I would say
- 41:58that would be certainly the opinions father Sparago, who would probably be quite more
- 42:02vehement in his opposition. I think he would actually be like Jesus driving the
- 42:07money chambers out of the money chambers years out of the temple to tell you
- 42:12the truth. So y'all, I actually think that wraps up this show.
- 42:15I think I actually was able to do it in one although I went a
- 42:20little bit longer than I intended. I hope this gives you some food for
- 42:23thought. At least, there's so much of this really good music now available
- 42:30for free on YouTube and such. You can listen to Saint Hildegard's compositions,
- 42:36you can listen to all that Gregorian music. You can listen to the great
- 42:39composers, even though you know Father Sparago didn't were quite up to snuff.
- 42:44And maybe talk with your music minister or your priest or your bishop and say,
- 42:50you know, I know there's a little bit of controversy now about having
- 42:54a lot of Latin mass, and I don't understand why, because it seems
- 42:57like it would be a good thing. But can we at least have some
- 43:00decent music, at least one hymn or at least one part of the mass.
- 43:07Can we just go back to the tradition of the early Church, when
- 43:12by anyone's measure, the greatest composers were the ones, you know, edifying
- 43:16glorifying God through the highest art of music ever achieved. And this hoot nanny
- 43:24junk, as my old preacher would say, can it just kind of step
- 43:29back for at least five or ten minutes. I mean, if someone just
- 43:32has to have it, can we just put it in the less sacred parts
- 43:37of the mass. There shouldn't be a less sacred part of the mass,
- 43:40but you know, you know what I'm saying, Maybe the entrance, maybe
- 43:45the leaving, I don't know, just something. I mean, i'd like,
- 43:46you know, the old doxology when you're leaving the church. That's always
- 43:50nice. But can we at least just reserve certain points of the mass for
- 43:57music that's actually appropriate to worshiping God. That's it all, right, y'all.
- 44:02So, in the words of Saint Padre Pio, pray, hope and
- 44:07don't worry, and I will talk to you next time.