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Young Mom of 3 Never Makes Flight, WHERE IS ANA? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: The picture perfect marriage, the beautiful living environment, three gorgeous
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Speaker 1: little boys. What happened to Anna? A thirty nine year
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Speaker 1: old mom seemingly went to the airport for a business trip,
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Speaker 1: a quick trip from Boston to DC, but apparently never
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Speaker 1: made it to the airport and from that point vanishes
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Speaker 1: into thin air. I mean it, see Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. What the hey
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at wp r I
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Speaker 1: new Tonight. Police are asking the public to help them
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Speaker 1: find a Cohassett, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
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Speaker 1: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was
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Speaker 1: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
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Speaker 1: she works during the week, but there's no record of
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Speaker 1: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
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Speaker 1: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
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Speaker 1: able to confirm that. There's also been no electronic footprint
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Speaker 1: of her in five days. Okay, all this starts in
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Speaker 1: Cohasset in Norfolk County, Massachusetts with me and all Star
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Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we know right now
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Speaker 1: before I aged duse them all, I want to go
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Speaker 1: to a special guest, Dana Kennedy, senior reporter with my
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Speaker 1: favorite newspaper, The New York Post. Dana, thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. This is it's really hard for me
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Speaker 1: to believe, from everything I know about Anna Walsh that
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Speaker 1: she would leave her three little boys alone. I mean,
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Speaker 1: have you looked at photos of her. There's not really
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Speaker 1: a lot of photos of her and her family, but
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Speaker 1: she always seems so connected to the children. She did
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Speaker 1: seem connected to the children and Nancy. At the same time,
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Speaker 1: I felt it was a little bit strange. She got
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Speaker 1: this new job in Washington, DC and she had like
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Speaker 1: a smaller partment. Okay, whoa wait, wait, wait, wait wait, DANEA. Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: you happen to have a lot of information, and you're
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Speaker 1: like the fire hydrant of news. It just comes out
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Speaker 1: so fast. I've got it. You know, I like to
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Speaker 1: make flow charts, right, and I can't really write that quickly. Now,
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Speaker 1: hold on, new job? What was new job? Her new
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Speaker 1: job was as a real estate executive with a Washington,
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Speaker 1: DC based firm. Hold on, you know what I knew
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Speaker 1: she was in real estate and she's fairly successful. But
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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a new job. Now, let
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Speaker 1: me think that through. So she's living in Cohassett and
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Speaker 1: the job. Is it based in DC or does she
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Speaker 1: just have to go there occasionally? It's based in DC. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's tough, even though that's not a long trip, Dana,
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Speaker 1: you're familiar with them. I call it the second Lagore
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Speaker 1: where there is an airport that just does shuttles. They
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Speaker 1: do from LaGuardia, New York to UM DC. Right, they
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Speaker 1: used to do one from LaGuardia to Boston. It's really
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Speaker 1: quick and the only flights leaving the Marine Terminal as
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Speaker 1: it was called, are just those couple of few cities
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Speaker 1: and it's like a hot jump and a skip. So
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Speaker 1: is that true? From Cohasset? I guess you'd take UM
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Speaker 1: the Boston airport to DC's how far is out of
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Speaker 1: a flight? It's only about an hour. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: actually come from Massachusetts in front of one of the
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Speaker 1: town's involved is my hometown. In this case, it's really
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Speaker 1: only an hour flight, but it's at least an hour
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Speaker 1: from Cohasset to Logan Airport. Yeah, and you know, once
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Speaker 1: you get to Washington, DC's you know, you have to
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Speaker 1: get into the city, so it's a hot jump, but
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Speaker 1: it still takes time. You know. That's so true about
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Speaker 1: every every trip. It's like, oh, it's just an hour flight,
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Speaker 1: but by the time you leave early to get to
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Speaker 1: the airport an hour or two early, so you know,
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Speaker 1: in case they're allies, by the time it's all said none,
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Speaker 1: it's like four or five hours, no matter how you
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Speaker 1: slice the bread. At least, I'm just thinking about her.
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Speaker 1: So now her new job is based in DC, would
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Speaker 1: she go for the whole week? Yeah? Well, who was
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Speaker 1: taking care of the boys while she's gone for the week?
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Speaker 1: A husband? That's a big stress on a marriage and
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Speaker 1: a family leaving If you're gonna laugh, Dana, I swear
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Speaker 1: if I go one night, and I don't think I'm
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Speaker 1: the most critical person in the family, but when I'm
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Speaker 1: gone one night, I come home, the whole house looks
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Speaker 1: like bears have been living there. I look in the
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Speaker 1: children's backpacks and they're full of like trash. I ask
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Speaker 1: what they have for supper, as if I didn't know,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be pizza. That's no vegetables Dana at all? Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: apparently they had it worked out, so she leaves the
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Speaker 1: house that morning. Well, you don't know, that's what he said. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's what the hobby says. Tell me about Cohasset where
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Speaker 1: they lived. Cohasset is a really pretty high end seaside town,
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Speaker 1: pretty posh, and they were living in a rental because
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Speaker 1: the house they'd had before actually burned down. Now hadn't
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Speaker 1: they already moved out of it when it caught on fire? Yes,
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Speaker 1: and some other people were living there. That's just another
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Speaker 1: wrinkle in this case. So we've got this gorgeous and
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Speaker 1: I mean gorgeous thirty nine year old mom Anna Walsh
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Speaker 1: with three boys, ages two, four, and six. She just
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Speaker 1: takes a new real estate job, but she has to
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Speaker 1: travel to get there. What was her job before that, Dana,
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Speaker 1: She was basically in hospitality, Nancy. She started off really
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Speaker 1: low level, almost as a cleaning lady. According to some
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Speaker 1: of my sources. However, she graduated pretty quickly to hotels
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Speaker 1: like hotels in western Massachusetts and around that area. Can
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Speaker 1: I tell you something? Everybody on the panel, and doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall is gonna love this also with me. In
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Speaker 1: addition to Dana Kennedy, Senior reporter with New York Post
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Speaker 1: and it's a real honor to have you, Dana. Doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining me Psycho Allen Side of Beverly Hills
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Speaker 1: at Dodtor Bethany Marshall dot com and start bringing Empire
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Speaker 1: on Netflix. Dodger Bethany I tracked down a friend of
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Speaker 1: Anna's and this is how he met her. He and
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Speaker 1: his son would often visit the grandmother, his mother in Boston,
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Speaker 1: and at that time, Anna for years was working at
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Speaker 1: a high end hotel in Boston, and that is where
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Speaker 1: Frank and his son Henry would always stay and Anna
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Speaker 1: would handle their reservation and whatever they needed while they
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Speaker 1: were there. And she took a particular liking to Henry,
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Speaker 1: the little boy, the son, and she would always give
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Speaker 1: him special treats and record come in thanks for them
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Speaker 1: to do in Boston when they weren't with the mother,
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Speaker 1: Miss Holler. And over the years they became really good
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Speaker 1: friends and she would go out of her way to
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Speaker 1: do things for Frank who's a single dad trying to
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Speaker 1: take care of his son, and she really made a
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Speaker 1: huge impact not only on him and his son, but
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Speaker 1: other people in the hotel too, and that really gave
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Speaker 1: me an insight into her after many, many discussions with
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Speaker 1: Frank about her because she didn't know them, and she
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Speaker 1: didn't know the little boy, but went out of her
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Speaker 1: way above him, beyond any duty at the hotel, just
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Speaker 1: to be genuinely kind and welcoming and sincere people she
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Speaker 1: didn't even know, Doctor Bethany, You know, Nancy, this is
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Speaker 1: so profound what you're sharing because she started in twenty
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Speaker 1: fifteen as a recent immigrant, as Dana said, clean rooms,
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Speaker 1: and she advanced quickly, which tells me that she's a
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Speaker 1: very hard worker, but hard work did not get in
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Speaker 1: the way of wanting to help others. It tells me
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Speaker 1: that this is a woman who is capable of forming attachments,
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Speaker 1: and that's very important for this story because it means
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Speaker 1: this is not a mother who just took off, who
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Speaker 1: was unattached to her children, or who was unattached to
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Speaker 1: her husband. In fact, going to the sea for work
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Speaker 1: may have actually been a sacrifice to be away from
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Speaker 1: her family. So this woman is beloved, she cares, she's altruistic,
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Speaker 1: she has family and friends around her. She forms long, long,
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Speaker 1: long term relationships. Someone like this does not just get
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Speaker 1: in the car and drive away from their family, right.
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Speaker 1: They don't just find another lover and you know, leave
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Speaker 1: it all, like we see with some mothers who are
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Speaker 1: not even bonded with their children, so they create a
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Speaker 1: new life in secret. This is not Anna. Anna Walsh cared.
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh was attached. Anna Walsh was firmly ensconced in
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Speaker 1: a community and in her relationship. So what do we
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Speaker 1: know about the morning she apparently got a ride share
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Speaker 1: of some sort uber or left to the airport for
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Speaker 1: a trip to DC. Now, one thing I can tell
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Speaker 1: you is this on January one, when most people are
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Speaker 1: off take a listen now to our friends at wu SA.
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh never made it to her home in Northwest
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Speaker 1: sec last Sunday. According to MASSACHUSETTSS authorities, it's not normal
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Speaker 1: that she's missing, so you know, we automatically feel that
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Speaker 1: she's in danger by the matter of fact that she's
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Speaker 1: missing a relative Toltco House of Police at The thirty
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Speaker 1: nine year old was seen leaving her Massachusetts home around
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Speaker 1: four a m. On January first to take a ride
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Speaker 1: share to Logan Airport in Boston. She was presumably going
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Speaker 1: to catch a flight to Reagan National Airport for a
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Speaker 1: work emergency. Investigators say her husband was asleep when she left.
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace straight back to Dana Kennedy
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Speaker 1: joining me, senior reporter in New York posts on New
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Speaker 1: Year's Eve, December thirty one. Is this correct that she
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Speaker 1: had a dinner with friends? Yes, they had a dinner
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Speaker 1: with one friend, one friend. Was that in the home
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Speaker 1: or did they go out? It was in the home.
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Speaker 1: In the home, Okay, so the friend and the friend's
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Speaker 1: day evernight. No, but he has been quoted. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: we know she was there for New Year's Eve, and okay,
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to back up just a little bit
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Speaker 1: to confirm the timeline. Take a listen more from WUSA.
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Speaker 1: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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Speaker 1: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing. We cannot confirm
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Speaker 1: that she actually got into a ride share in Cohasset.
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Speaker 1: We can further, we have confirmed with the Olnes, and
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Speaker 1: that's been a challenge that she did not board a
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Speaker 1: plane this week. Police say her phone has been off
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Speaker 1: and there has been no activity on her credit or
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Speaker 1: debit cards. Just a loving wife and mother, she always says,
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Speaker 1: three beautiful boys, three portiful boys. So she loves so much.
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Speaker 1: I wanted you to take a listen to more of
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Speaker 1: what the friend had to say. But first I want
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Speaker 1: to go to Gardner, forensic consultant and instructor at Beville
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Speaker 1: Gardner dot com, author of blood Stained Pattern Analysis with
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Speaker 1: an Introduction to Crime Scene Reconstruction, third Edition. Wow, I
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Speaker 1: like that's the third edition. That means you've got three
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Speaker 1: books that you have revised about crime scene reconstruction. And
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Speaker 1: I could talk to you about blood stain pattern analysis
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Speaker 1: all day long. Ross Gardner, your friendsic consultant. Let me
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Speaker 1: ask you this very quickly, if you could put it
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell for everybody that hasn't had to do it.
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Speaker 1: How do you confirm whether someone caught a ride share
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Speaker 1: from a certain address, and how do you confirm forensically
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Speaker 1: if you're investigating the case whether someone took a flight
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Speaker 1: out of Cahasset or out of Boston. Well, today, in
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Speaker 1: this technology, it's hard to move about without some level
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Speaker 1: of leaving information behind. I think this is basic criminal investigation.
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Speaker 1: They would have contacted the lists and the ride share
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Speaker 1: of people, and they have records, and of course you're
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Speaker 1: not going to go through tsa without being recognized unless
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Speaker 1: you're claimed, you know, somebody were to claim that she
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Speaker 1: were traveling in disguise or under a false name. So
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Speaker 1: I think that was the easiest part of the whole
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Speaker 1: deal for the criminal investigators, just to figure out did
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Speaker 1: she really catch her eye and does she really have
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Speaker 1: a flight or does she ever even have a flight book?
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Speaker 1: Does she have a flight book that she did catch
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Speaker 1: or did she not even have a flight booked? You
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Speaker 1: know what this is reminding me of to Dana Kennedy
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Speaker 1: New York Post, this name is going to go down
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Speaker 1: in infamy forever. Caitlin Armstrong, hey said, while you're sitting
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Speaker 1: there twiddling your thumbs, ha ha, because you just please
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Speaker 1: we miss Kaitlyn Armstrong's case going to trial. Do they
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Speaker 1: even have a trial date? Remember her, Danny Kennedy, We
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Speaker 1: talked about her. She was the glam yoga instructor that
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Speaker 1: is accused of murdering her boyfriend's extra girlfriend, Maria. Remember her,
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Speaker 1: Mariah Wilson, who was a world class dirt and mud
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Speaker 1: biker who was in town for a competition, and the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend got together with Maria, you know, for the afternoon
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Speaker 1: and the next thing you know she's dead, shot dead
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Speaker 1: in the bathroom. Remember how they finally traced her and
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Speaker 1: found her in I think Costa Rica was exactly the
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Speaker 1: way ross Gardner just described evidence photos video at the
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Speaker 1: airport in from Tsa. Absolutely I covered that story when
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Speaker 1: it happened, and it was incredible that it sure did.
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Speaker 1: It was amazing that they didn't get her sooner, because
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Speaker 1: as you remember, they saw her in surveillance video at
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Speaker 1: LaGuardia after she flew out of I believe, Austin. But
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Speaker 1: then somehow she was able to get a friend I believe,
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Speaker 1: to give her a fake passport, and then she flew
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Speaker 1: out to Costa Rica. It was incredible that she lasted
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Speaker 1: as long as she did, and as we know, I
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Speaker 1: think she had dyed her hair and was making herself
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Speaker 1: look as different as possible. Kindaa's job. Yeah, I got
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Speaker 1: the trial day. Thank you, Sidney Jeane twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: I'm ready for you, Caitlin Armstrong. So ross Gardner is right.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if this young mom ever had a
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Speaker 1: flight arranged or we just thought she had a flight arranged,
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Speaker 1: But we now know she didn't take a look, she
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Speaker 1: didn't take an uber no ride share or cab So
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Speaker 1: all right, where is she now? We find out there's
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Speaker 1: no activity on our credit or debit cards, so how
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Speaker 1: is she living? When is she reported missing? Taking list
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Speaker 1: of our friends at Boston twenty five. A Cohasset police
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Speaker 1: log is shedding new light on how the investigation first
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Speaker 1: got started. It says a call requesting a well being
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Speaker 1: check was made on January fourth by a man who
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Speaker 1: identified himself as the head of security at Honor Walsh's
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Speaker 1: employer in DC, Tishman Speyer. The log says Tishman Speyer
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Speaker 1: contacted husband Brian Walsh before he reported his wife missing.
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Speaker 1: It explains that he told police on a left for
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Speaker 1: DC and he hadn't heard from her since. According to
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Speaker 1: the log, on his phone, last pick on January second
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Speaker 1: at three to fourteen am Incohasset and hit the tower
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Speaker 1: on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less than a mile from
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Speaker 1: the family's home. Okay, all of that was interesting to me,
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Speaker 1: but Jana and hey, don't worry. Philip Halloway, I'm getting
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Speaker 1: to you. Philip Halloway with me. High profile lawyer or
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Speaker 1: founder of the Holloway Law Group in Cobb County, radio host,
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Speaker 1: legal analyst WSB host Off Sworn a true crime podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm getting there, Phil, And remember, Philip again, I scolded
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Speaker 1: everyone before we went to air. We're not having high
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Speaker 1: tea at winsor Castle. Jump in. Man, you're certainly not
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Speaker 1: afraid of jumping in in court. So if you have
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Speaker 1: an idea, jump in. Dana Kennedy, A lot just jumped
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Speaker 1: out at me. But one thing is her phone pinged
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Speaker 1: January two at home when she was supposed to have
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Speaker 1: left the morning of January one. What she left without
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Speaker 1: her phone? Yeah, nothing makes any sense, Nancy. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and if she had we were talking about flights earlier.
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Speaker 1: Had she made an arrangement for a flight, that would
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Speaker 1: have shown up online somewhere. Okay to you. Philip Holloway,
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Speaker 1: lawyer and founder of the Holloway Law Group, cob County, Georgia.
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Speaker 1: Philip Holloway, Why is it her office reported her missing?
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't the husband have reported her missing? Well? Look, anybody
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Speaker 1: who cares about her should have reported her missing. But look,
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Speaker 1: I think this does make perfectly good. Can I like you? Hey,
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Speaker 1: if my husband ever goes missing, remind me higher Philip Holloway.
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Speaker 1: Of course he can't go missing because I've got him
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Speaker 1: a wife three sixty, I've got him on this and
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Speaker 1: on that. Man, I know when he's going to go
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Speaker 1: empty the trash. Actually, really, he's so trustworthy. When I
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Speaker 1: try to, like look through his emails, they're so boring
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Speaker 1: my eyes bleed. So you know I'm actually not tracking him.
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Speaker 1: That said, go ahead, Philip Holloway. Well, look, I think
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Speaker 1: this whole thing does make perfectly good sense because the
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Speaker 1: picture that's being painted here by the circumstantial evidence. All
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Speaker 1: I said is he didn't report her missing. Man, This
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Speaker 1: could be the most powerful type of evidence in court.
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Speaker 1: Circumstantial evidence is great, and the circumstances paint a picture
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Speaker 1: of someone who has been killed. This is a murder case.
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Speaker 1: We all know where it's going. The circumstances all point
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Speaker 1: to that. I believe you're patting the cart before the horse.
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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Nobody has said murder yet. I
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Speaker 1: don't think so. I think this is where it's all
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Speaker 1: I did. Now see, are you familiar with William Shakespeare,
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Speaker 1: Because one of my favorite quotes is methinks thou doth
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Speaker 1: protest too much? All I said was he didn't report
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Speaker 1: her missing, and you just went crazy about a circumstantial
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Speaker 1: murder case. Well, that's what it is. You know, when
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Speaker 1: somebody says this doesn't make sense, I have the position
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Speaker 1: that it makes perfectly good sense. Once you understand that
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Speaker 1: this is a murder case, it starts to make sense.
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Speaker 1: Everything that we know and everything that's happened fits perfectly
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Speaker 1: into that paradise. Why didn't he report her missing, Philip Halloway,
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Speaker 1: because he's afraid of going to prison. Okay, well, that's
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Speaker 1: certainly one way of putting it. Now we have a little,
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Speaker 1: let's just say inconsistency in the facts. Listen to w
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Speaker 1: b Z. WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a
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Speaker 1: voicemail left by mister Walsh for one of honest friends.
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Speaker 1: The friend lives in Washington, DC, where Anna works, and
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Speaker 1: tells us the voicemail was left on Wednesday, that's the
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Speaker 1: same day Anna was reported missing to police. At knew
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Speaker 1: what Brian Walsh homeball is going. Well, I was just
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Speaker 1: just riching out to basically everybody I could. Anna hasn't
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Speaker 1: been in touch for a few days. Do you know
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Speaker 1: anyone that might have that contact with her? Just you know,
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Speaker 1: calling everyone? So I heard bother you here. Everything fine, Okay,
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Speaker 1: no offense to this guy calling people. But Dana Kennedy,
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Speaker 1: did it sound a little bit like he was reading
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Speaker 1: a script. It sounded a bit like he was reading
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Speaker 1: his script. And also he was completely nonchalant. I mean,
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Speaker 1: in this day and age, when someone's out of touch
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Speaker 1: for two days, you'd be in a total planic. You'd
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Speaker 1: be calling every cop. You've been doing everything possible. You're
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Speaker 1: so right, doctor Bethany Marshall. I've told you this story before,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think everybody knows the story. Let me
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Speaker 1: just tell this real quick, David. My husband travels a
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Speaker 1: lot for his job, and typically when he touched down,
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Speaker 1: he'll text me, and that's great. I don't need to
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Speaker 1: talk to him, and just like to know he's safe. Well, Bethany,
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Speaker 1: excuse me, doctor Bethany. One time he got to Florida
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Speaker 1: and he texted, I made it and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go this, this, this, this, and this, and then I'll
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Speaker 1: end up at the hotel, you know, around nine o'clock. Well,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I never heard from him again, and
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Speaker 1: I could just imagine him getting run over in the
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Speaker 1: parking lot, or some nut hitting me in the head
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Speaker 1: or I didn't know what I was thinking. You know,
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Speaker 1: my coworker D and I stayed up till four o'clock
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Speaker 1: last night that night, calling hospitals. Finally I got the
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Speaker 1: manager to go and knock on his door with much,
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Speaker 1: much strong army, and he was in there and had
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Speaker 1: come home early and fallen asleep. You can hear the
21:03
Speaker 1: TV in the background. He's like totally knocked down. But
21:06
Speaker 1: I was so upset, I was calling every hospital in
21:10
Speaker 1: the area. I didn't know where his business appointments were,
21:13
Speaker 1: so I was trying outlying hospitals. I know it sounded
21:17
Speaker 1: like a crazy person. I was convinced something had happened
21:19
Speaker 1: to him. I just sure it sound like I was
21:22
Speaker 1: reading a script. No exactly. That's why you just put
21:25
Speaker 1: the words right out of my mouth. Compare his response
21:29
Speaker 1: with yours. He had what we call in my field trite,
21:33
Speaker 1: rehearsed and stereotyped speech. That's what we put in reports
21:38
Speaker 1: when we're analyzing a patient too, sort of hollow, an
21:40
Speaker 1: empty and not believable. Also, somebody who has very little
21:44
Speaker 1: original thinking, so they kind of they kind of they
21:49
Speaker 1: spout off or they repeat what they have read somewhere
21:54
Speaker 1: or what they hear other people saying, I hear you.
21:57
Speaker 1: Let's hear that again, Sidney, could you play that one
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Speaker 1: more time? Where we hear Brian Walsh. WBC is obtained
22:03
Speaker 1: and verified audio of a voicemail left by mister Walsh
22:07
Speaker 1: for one of honest friends. The friend lives in Washington, DC,
22:11
Speaker 1: where on A works and tells us the voicemail was
22:13
Speaker 1: left on Wednesday. That's the same day Anna was reported
22:16
Speaker 1: missing to police. As eat Brian Walsh, hootball is going well.
22:21
Speaker 1: I was just which he act to basically everybody I could.
22:24
Speaker 1: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days. Do
22:27
Speaker 1: you know anyone that might have that contact with her?
22:29
Speaker 1: Just you know, calling everyone? So I heard bother you.
22:33
Speaker 1: Sure everything's fine? Okay? So now guys, take a listen
22:38
Speaker 1: to what police are saying. This is should WUSA. Walsh's
22:42
Speaker 1: friends and family have been cooperating with detectives. The Realistate
22:46
Speaker 1: executive would spend her work weeks in the district and
22:48
Speaker 1: weekends with their family and her Massachusetts home, where local
22:52
Speaker 1: and state officials have brought in their search. On A,
22:55
Speaker 1: Walsh's describes as a five foot two woman Wing one
22:58
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen pounds. She has own hair and brown eyes,
23:01
Speaker 1: and speaks with an Eastern European accent, according to police.
23:05
Speaker 1: For now, police say there is no sign of foul play.
23:09
Speaker 1: No evidence of foul play. Well, maybe this will jog
23:12
Speaker 1: the police into action. A fire erupts. Take a listen
23:16
Speaker 1: to our friends at WCVB. Police say she wasn't reported
23:19
Speaker 1: missing until Wednesday. She does work in DC and it's
23:23
Speaker 1: it's not abnormal for her to your worklong hours in
23:29
Speaker 1: contact the home investigators say her phone's been off since
23:32
Speaker 1: Sunday and there's no evidence her credit cards have been used,
23:36
Speaker 1: and the fire at the family's former home only adds
23:40
Speaker 1: to the mystery. We're gonna look at everything here, you know,
23:43
Speaker 1: very strange coincidence. And you can see the command post
23:46
Speaker 1: behind us here. Tonight officers wrapped up their search here
23:49
Speaker 1: around six thirty tonight and they plan to regroup in
23:53
Speaker 1: the morning, straight back out to veteran trial. While you're
23:56
Speaker 1: Philip Holloway. While police say no evidence of foul play,
24:01
Speaker 1: now a fire breaks out at the home they just
24:04
Speaker 1: moved out of. Do you believe you actually believe in
24:07
Speaker 1: coincidences in criminal law? No, tarticularly not in this case. Listen,
24:11
Speaker 1: I think that there's certainly circumstantial evidence that can be
24:15
Speaker 1: interpreted as signs of foul play. You know. Look, not
24:17
Speaker 1: reporting her missing for a couple of days in and
24:20
Speaker 1: of itself is problematic, and when you add it to
24:23
Speaker 1: all the other pieces of circumstantial evidence, such as leaving
24:27
Speaker 1: the house to buy cleaning supplies and the internet searches
24:30
Speaker 1: and finding the items in the basement, so not only
24:34
Speaker 1: do we have a fire breaking out at their former home,
24:39
Speaker 1: the picture becomes more bleak. Take a listen to our
24:43
Speaker 1: friends at WBTS. More bags being brought out of the
24:47
Speaker 1: Cohasset home where missing mom on A. Walsh and her
24:50
Speaker 1: family live, just a day after investigators said they wrapped
24:53
Speaker 1: up their search for evidence there, evidence that included the
24:56
Speaker 1: discovery of blood and a bloody knife in the basement.
24:59
Speaker 1: New video obtained by NBC Tim Boston shows Brian Walsh
25:02
Speaker 1: just one day after his wife was last seen on
25:05
Speaker 1: security cameras at Press Juice Bar in Norwell. Meanwhile, the
25:08
Speaker 1: NBC ten investigators have learned a hacksaw and bloody towels
25:12
Speaker 1: were found during the search of the transfer station in
25:14
Speaker 1: Peabody and the dumpsters at the Swanscott apartment complex where
25:17
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh's mother lives. To Danny Kennedy joinings the New
25:21
Speaker 1: York Post, I guess that changed the course of the investigation.
25:25
Speaker 1: What exactly what evidence has been found so far and
25:28
Speaker 1: where I think there's some confusion about that. Early on,
25:34
Speaker 1: investigators went north of Boston to a place called Peabody,
25:37
Speaker 1: to a transfer station. There they found some material that
25:41
Speaker 1: initially was called evidence or remains, and I don't think
25:43
Speaker 1: it's been specifically outlined at all yet. I don't think
25:48
Speaker 1: they I mean, they found I believe a bloody knife
25:52
Speaker 1: in the basement, but clearly the guy is still not
25:55
Speaker 1: under arrest for this murder, so there's nothing that completely
25:59
Speaker 1: pointing it at him yet as far as I know,
26:01
Speaker 1: so a bloody knife, and I believe the knife had
26:05
Speaker 1: been broken to some degree and some blood in the
26:10
Speaker 1: family home. Not the former home that was burned down,
26:13
Speaker 1: but the family home where Anna was living with her
26:16
Speaker 1: three boys and husband. And there's more. Listen to NBCT.
26:22
Speaker 1: In Boston, police have been collecting surveillance video from several
26:25
Speaker 1: places Brian Walsh visited after his wife's disappearance. That includes
26:30
Speaker 1: walking by this dumpster at a liquor store in Swampscott
26:33
Speaker 1: So trying to figure out what exactly happened. Doctor Anne
26:37
Speaker 1: Marie Myers used to work at the Medical Examiner's office
26:40
Speaker 1: and now teaches friends at criminology at Anna Maria College.
26:43
Speaker 1: She says authorities will fast track everything they have through
26:47
Speaker 1: the lab, including the hacksaw and the bloody knife, but
26:50
Speaker 1: some of the details could make the police work difficult.
26:54
Speaker 1: There's an indication that there's been some sort of perhaps
26:58
Speaker 1: dismembering of the body and then disposal echoes. Many cases
27:03
Speaker 1: that I was involved in where the police were never
27:06
Speaker 1: able to find human remains. Ross Gardner is joining me
27:10
Speaker 1: for as a consultant. Ross what does a broken knife
27:16
Speaker 1: mean to you? Well, it's unclear as is it's broken
27:20
Speaker 1: or it's damaged, but that would not be unexpected either
27:28
Speaker 1: through if he used the knife during the course of
27:31
Speaker 1: the assault or in the course of dismembering. Dismembering is
27:35
Speaker 1: not an easy task. I think what's more important at
27:40
Speaker 1: this point will be the DNA. You know, they haven't
27:44
Speaker 1: arrested him, but that's because they've got to go and
27:47
Speaker 1: they're going to have to correlate the knife and those
27:50
Speaker 1: bloods things that they found specifically in the basement back
27:54
Speaker 1: to Anna and then of course, in that sense there's
27:58
Speaker 1: some belief that he may have cleaned up the scene.
28:03
Speaker 1: We could have high expectation that they're doing additional work
28:10
Speaker 1: such as LCV or loomin all trying to enhance any
28:14
Speaker 1: cleanup activity, because that'll give you a better sense for
28:19
Speaker 1: you know, is this just a couple of tiny little
28:21
Speaker 1: blood stains or was there a large volume of blood
28:24
Speaker 1: here and now it's been cleaned up? Crime Stories with
28:42
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. What can you tell me, Danny Kennedy about
28:47
Speaker 1: a four hundred and fifty dollar bill at home Depot? Well,
28:52
Speaker 1: when they found the receipt for this there it was
28:57
Speaker 1: cleaning supplies and I believe there might have been some
29:00
Speaker 1: rope found, but again pretty suspicious considering his wife is missing.
29:08
Speaker 1: I've got tom mops, tart quickly buckets, various type of
29:14
Speaker 1: tape and cleaning supplies all from the Rockland home Depot.
29:21
Speaker 1: And you know what, I love, Philip Halloway about Home Depot.
29:25
Speaker 1: Much like Target, they have excellent surveillance video. I will
29:30
Speaker 1: never forget. I believe it was Target where top Mom
29:34
Speaker 1: Casey Anthony went while her daughter Kelly was missing there.
29:40
Speaker 1: She was in her push up bra buying beer and
29:43
Speaker 1: all sorts of party stuff using somebody else's check, by
29:48
Speaker 1: the way, while her daughter was missing, she was not
29:52
Speaker 1: the least bit upset. And I guarantee you there's going
29:57
Speaker 1: to be home depot surveillance video of a husband, Brian Walsh,
30:02
Speaker 1: buying all of his cleaning supplies. And not only will
30:06
Speaker 1: they find forensically, as they've already stated, a bloody knife
30:10
Speaker 1: and some blood in the basement, there could be traces
30:13
Speaker 1: of that cleaning supply in the home, and luminole catches
30:19
Speaker 1: so much that the naked eye misses any blood spatter,
30:24
Speaker 1: any smudge, any transfer, anything on the wall or the ceiling.
30:30
Speaker 1: A lot of times when defendants murder someone, they forget
30:32
Speaker 1: to look up at the ceiling. That's a big booboo,
30:35
Speaker 1: Philip Hallaway, Yeah, it is. And I can't think of
30:38
Speaker 1: an innocent reason for him to be at the home
30:41
Speaker 1: depot at that time, in violation of his bond, by
30:45
Speaker 1: the way, purchasing four hundred and fifty dollars for cleaning
30:49
Speaker 1: supplies if it's not something that he normally does, and
30:51
Speaker 1: there's no information that that is part of this regular routine.
30:55
Speaker 1: So it's just one more brick in the wall when
30:57
Speaker 1: you add it together with all the other circumstantial it's
31:00
Speaker 1: in Bible way. Speaking of the Hacksall, can you imagine
31:03
Speaker 1: any worse thing to be out there, you know, involved
31:09
Speaker 1: in a case like this, If there's a Hacksall involved,
31:12
Speaker 1: that just sends the mind into thinking the absolute worst
31:16
Speaker 1: and most horrifying of outcomes in this case. And I
31:20
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, Danny Kennedy a New York Post, it's
31:23
Speaker 1: not like Condexter, where the whole floor in the walls
31:28
Speaker 1: or in cased in plastic and then he dismembers the
31:31
Speaker 1: bad guy and then just kind of throws it all
31:33
Speaker 1: up and you never you never find any blood spatter
31:36
Speaker 1: at all. It's not like that at all. It's an
31:40
Speaker 1: arduous task. It's very hard to dismember someone and you
31:44
Speaker 1: always leave behind blood. Plus you've got to get blood
31:47
Speaker 1: off that Hacksall trace back to Anna. If that's in
31:50
Speaker 1: fact true, that's right. This at all so incredibly grizzly.
31:54
Speaker 1: And I don't know how an everyday average guy, which
31:56
Speaker 1: is what Brian Walsh was, you could even figure out
31:59
Speaker 1: how to saw limbs off. I don't think I could.
32:02
Speaker 1: And there's more, guys, take a listen to our friend
32:05
Speaker 1: Julianne Lima Balston twenty five. We did confirm through sources
32:08
Speaker 1: that investigators did in fact find evidence in that dumpster
32:12
Speaker 1: that is connected to Anna Walsh's disappearance. Now they searched
32:15
Speaker 1: the dumpster here in Pebody for hours last night. State
32:18
Speaker 1: and local police sources also telling us a police tow
32:21
Speaker 1: that dumpster from Brian Walsh's mother's apartment complex in Swampscott.
32:26
Speaker 1: We spoke to people who live in that complex who
32:28
Speaker 1: were horrified to learn of what may have been put
32:30
Speaker 1: in their trash. And the one in Maya is automatic.
32:34
Speaker 1: When you close the dua, it compacts very thing. To
32:38
Speaker 1: think about that, because God forbid, if somebody puts something
32:41
Speaker 1: in theya A compact would compact it back to you.
32:45
Speaker 1: Danny Kennedy, we are just learning that Anna Walsh, age
32:49
Speaker 1: thirty nine, was planning for the future, selling off assets
32:54
Speaker 1: to reinvest in real estate before she vanished on New
32:58
Speaker 1: Year's Day. What if anything do we know about that? Well,
33:01
Speaker 1: we know information about her plans for the future when
33:05
Speaker 1: it came to her business from some tenants that she
33:09
Speaker 1: had in Revere, which is north of Boston, a seaside town,
33:13
Speaker 1: and these tenants had been with her for a while
33:15
Speaker 1: and considered her a friend. I believe they knew her
33:17
Speaker 1: for seven years and they were shocked when about a
33:20
Speaker 1: month ago, she said, oh, you guys have to get out,
33:23
Speaker 1: I'm selling it. And when they sort of acted like, well,
33:26
Speaker 1: can we have some more time, they said, her whole
33:29
Speaker 1: demeanor changed in a way they'd never seen before. She
33:32
Speaker 1: was pushedy, they said, not very nice, had a bit
33:35
Speaker 1: of a meltdown over it, and they were shocked. But
33:38
Speaker 1: then another source told Fox News that it was normal
33:43
Speaker 1: for someone who's in like sort of low level real
33:45
Speaker 1: estate investment to flip and put that money into another investment,
33:51
Speaker 1: which sounds like she did because it was sold at
33:54
Speaker 1: Revere Beach Home prior to her disappearance. What can you
33:57
Speaker 1: tell me, Dana about some fake Andy Warhol paintings. Brian
34:02
Speaker 1: Walsh bought them from an LA gallery dealer who believed
34:06
Speaker 1: it and it wasn't until later that he found out
34:09
Speaker 1: they were completely fake, and Brian Walsh was later arrested
34:15
Speaker 1: in connection with art fraud. That's why he was living
34:18
Speaker 1: in co hasit with an ankle monitor. I'm picking meccap so.
34:21
Speaker 1: Brian had an art fraud conviction and was forced by
34:28
Speaker 1: the court to stay at home. But aside from the
34:33
Speaker 1: art fraud, this to me is much more troubling. Take
34:39
Speaker 1: a listen to our cut twenty one our friend Bob
34:42
Speaker 1: Ward on social media missing cohsit mom Anna Walsh portrayed
34:46
Speaker 1: a glamorous, happy life with her husband, Brian Walsh, but
34:49
Speaker 1: a police report revealed deep trouble even before Anna and
34:53
Speaker 1: Brian were even engaged. According to this public incident report,
34:57
Speaker 1: Anna Canip her maiden name, told DC met Police that
35:00
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh quote made a statement over the telephone that
35:03
Speaker 1: he was going to kill her and her friends. She added,
35:07
Speaker 1: Brian now lives in Boston, Massachusetts. Brian Walsh is not
35:11
Speaker 1: named in the report, but my sources indicate the suspect
35:14
Speaker 1: here is Brian Walsh. The report lists the potential offense
35:17
Speaker 1: as felony threats, but Anna never cooperated with DC Metro police.
35:22
Speaker 1: Brian Walsh was never charged and the case was closed.
35:25
Speaker 1: And not only was that case closed, she then went
35:29
Speaker 1: on to marry him. Doctor Bethany Marshall, can you make
35:32
Speaker 1: sense of that? Well? Yes, absolutely, I can, Nancy, because
35:35
Speaker 1: even the most abusive of relationships always start out with
35:39
Speaker 1: an attachment right. Two people love each other, they want
35:41
Speaker 1: to be together, and according to a cultural anthropologist Helen Fisher,
35:47
Speaker 1: there's idealization between the couple that lasts for like seven
35:52
Speaker 1: to fifteen months, where they just see each other as
35:55
Speaker 1: perfect and as the person who's going to take care
35:58
Speaker 1: of all their own unmet needs. And it's not until
36:01
Speaker 1: that initial idealization wears off they start to see the
36:05
Speaker 1: true character of the other person. And then, more specifically,
36:09
Speaker 1: with women who are abused, there's kind of a crisis
36:12
Speaker 1: of boundaries where when the man is abusive, toxic, in
36:16
Speaker 1: this case, homicidal, the woman thinks, oh, it's my fault.
36:19
Speaker 1: I went to DC, I made him jealous, I posted
36:23
Speaker 1: all these pictures. I shouldn't have done it, And she
36:25
Speaker 1: could have blamed herself, which would then have paved the
36:29
Speaker 1: way for the sort of a matching thought which r, well,
36:34
Speaker 1: it's my fault, I have to fix it, and now
36:36
Speaker 1: I just have to go back home and make things better.
36:38
Speaker 1: Take a listen also to what our friend Lawrence Jones
36:42
Speaker 1: from Fox and Knees and Our Cut thirteen has learned.
36:45
Speaker 1: What do you know about Brian? Unfortunately not much because
36:51
Speaker 1: every time when we would have a conversation about Brian,
36:54
Speaker 1: it would be switched to children or brushed off. So
36:57
Speaker 1: we what do you mean, brush stuff the conversation, I
37:00
Speaker 1: shn go literally switched on the subject. So and I said,
37:05
Speaker 1: and if there is anything come you know, it's it's okay.
37:10
Speaker 1: And she said everything is fine and more her husband
37:13
Speaker 1: Brian had There's no picture policy. I mean, it's even
37:16
Speaker 1: hard to find pictures of her out there or we
37:20
Speaker 1: want to remember her her life and try to get
37:22
Speaker 1: answers for her. If y'all hear anything about that, does
37:25
Speaker 1: that surprise you? There's no picture policy. Hard to say
37:29
Speaker 1: she was hiding, truly, but the absence of him. I
37:33
Speaker 1: understand that even in New Year's Eve, my friend said
37:37
Speaker 1: that he would not even take personal photos between friends,
37:41
Speaker 1: that he was missing on the photos, and during the
37:43
Speaker 1: New Year's Eve that he would take pictures of everybody
37:46
Speaker 1: else but not of himself. So there must be some
37:49
Speaker 1: reasons for it. I don't want to speculate what the reason,
37:52
Speaker 1: but it is odd, I know, picture policy. Dana Kennedy
37:55
Speaker 1: from The New York Post there's one very important picture
37:58
Speaker 1: out there right now. He's shot. He apparently lied to
38:02
Speaker 1: police and he's been charged with impeding the investigation stating
38:06
Speaker 1: he took his sons for ice cream, when in fact
38:09
Speaker 1: that's not true. No, it's it's not true at all.
38:12
Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be anything really valid that he
38:16
Speaker 1: has said so far. And if I agree with a
38:19
Speaker 1: lot of what doctor Bethany said in principle, but I
38:24
Speaker 1: think it's very strange still to file a police report
38:28
Speaker 1: or make a police report saying this guy was going
38:30
Speaker 1: to kill you, and then marry him a year later,
38:33
Speaker 1: and not have not one, but three children, and then
38:38
Speaker 1: leaves them essentially with a guy who she knew had
38:41
Speaker 1: been convicted of a crime. I have a vibe that
38:45
Speaker 1: she wasn't just the sweet, loving mother that you know
38:49
Speaker 1: that we see listen. I'm sorry if she's been murdered, obviously,
38:52
Speaker 1: but I think she was kind of a complicated person.
38:55
Speaker 1: I think it's very odd to go ahead and marry
38:57
Speaker 1: a guy like that and have three kids and leave
39:00
Speaker 1: the kids with him during the week. The tip line
39:02
Speaker 1: seven eight one three eight three one zero five five
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Speaker 1: repeat seven eight one three eight three one zero five five.
39:12
Speaker 1: Can I add something, sure, Nancy. We've just gotten word
39:16
Speaker 1: that Norfolk County DA in Massachusetts has charged Brian Walsh
39:21
Speaker 1: with murder. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,