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Enchanted and Why Cynicism Kills Love | Sean Yeager · Yes And Land

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  What for you was kind of the hardest part about
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  growing up with a single mom? When my mom remarried,
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  he was a great guy, but we just didn't connect
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  like my friends did with their fathers. I think
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  the most challenging thing for me was sporting
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  events and just not having a dad there to support
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  you, you know, which I would only really think
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  about it when I'd see my other friends' fathers
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  there at the games, you know, but they both...
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  I worked at Disneyland for over almost 40 years.
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  My papa was there actually before Disneyland
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  opened. And then he was employed, you know, in
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  construction and all that kind of stuff. And
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  then he eventually, when the park opened, he
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  worked on the train that goes around the park.
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  He's just bitten this poison apple, right? And
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  she's seemingly kind of dying in his arm. And
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  he says, please don't leave. You know, and you
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  just feel it in that moment. Yeah. Of like, he
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  kind of gets who she is. and what that love means,
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  right? It's so much easier to be kind than it
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  is to nitpick or to judge others. You know, my
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  last 20 years of my life have been a lot easier
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  because I feel like I've let go of all that stuff.
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  Welcome to Yes and Land, where we say yes to
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  the reality of yesterday and today, and we say
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  and to the possibility, growth, and imagination
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  of tomorrow. Welcome to another episode of Yes
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  and Land. We are very excited today. We're going
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  to be talking about the power of relationships.
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  We're talking about a lovely Disney movie, Enchanted,
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  which is such a fun show. uh great lessons about
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  relationships about love about what that means
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  and we're talking with somebody who's got quite
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  the heritage when it comes to disneyland and
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  i'm very pumped to talk about disneyland all
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  things disneyland from its inception y 'all better
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  buckle up because it'll be some fun stuff today
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  so welcome to the program sean yeager yeah thanks
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  for having me ryan appreciate it very fun to
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  have you today so uh to kind of give a quick
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  overview maybe talk a little bit about what your
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  current profession is. We talked a little bit
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  in the pre -show about it, but kind of give us
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  a little bit of lay of the land about what you're
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  doing professionally right now. Well, I've been
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  in education now, high school educator, health,
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  fitness, and I was a high school basketball coach
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  for 22 years. And now I've kind of switched over
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  to the admin side, so now I'm an athletic director.
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  So I'm still involved with athletics and just
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  love being around people, especially our youth,
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  and hopefully being a good example and a good
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  role model. trying to be at least you know for
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  today's youth just like a lot of the coaches
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  and teachers i had when i was younger growing
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  up so yeah great opportunity to have such a great
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  influence on young people these days um i mentioned
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  it before and i've mentioned this podcast many
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  times but i come from a family of educators my
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  dad was an elementary school teacher when i was
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  growing up my mom was a lunch lady my sister
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  was a teacher for a number of years and now she's
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  a librarian uh down in saint george so it's like
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  it's in my blood it's in my blood and then i'm
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  the black sheep because i became an attorney
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  and a divorce attorney at that so which will
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  apply today to enchanted i had forgotten sean
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  yeah i'm glad you turned me back on this movie
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  because i forgot that one of the main characters
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  is in fact a divorce attorney yeah kind of hilarious
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  patrick and he was so good in this movie too
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  and we will definitely talk a little bit more
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  about that but let's now take us way back let's
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  take us back to like young sean group in california
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  right yep southern california that's where he
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  grew up so talk to me a little bit about what
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  uh growing up there was like i think you grew
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  up maybe uh Maybe a little bit different than
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  some folk. I think your mom was a single mom,
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  right? Yes. Raising you as a single mom. So tell
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  me a little bit what that was like. How many
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  siblings did you have at that time? So I was
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  an only child. My mom had me at a young age.
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  And then she divorced from my biological father
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  when I was six months old. Her future was kind
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  of put on the back burner, which I'll always
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  respect her and love her for that. And so fortunately,
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  though, my biological grandparents from both
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  sides were in California. And so they helped
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  raise me. And they took turns babysitting and
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  watching over me so my mom could hold down jobs.
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  And then she started going to school and things
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  like that. My grandparents were a huge, major
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  impact on me growing up, especially as a child
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  and in my teen years. Yeah, no doubt. Now, with
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  those grandparents, they had some pretty special
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  ties to Disneyland. Yes. Give us the breakdown
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  here. I'm really excited about this. Give us
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  the breakdown there. Well, you know, going through
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  it, I don't think you appreciate it until maybe
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  you get older, but my biological father's parents.
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  They're originally from the South and so I referred
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  to them as Mamaw and Papaw. So anybody listening
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  that's from the South, they know what I'm talking
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  about. So when I bring up their name, it's easy
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  for me to say Mamaw or Papaw, but they both worked
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  at Disneyland for over almost 40 years. My Papaw.
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  was there actually before Disneyland opened.
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  He was employed in construction and all that
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  kind of stuff. And then he eventually, when the
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  park opened, he worked on the train that goes
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  around the park. And he loved it. That was his
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  job. That was his career. And my mamaw worked
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  in the china shop on Main Street. And again,
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  I've been to Disneyland so many times growing
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  up as a kid. I can't even... count but uh huge
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  impact uh huge influence in disneyland sometimes
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  as i got older old enough to kind of run around
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  on my own with my friends disneyland became my
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  my babysitter you know yeah in a in a funny way
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  but yeah so lots of disney yeah stuff you know
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  so uh you said your papa papa yep he was in construction
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  did he help did he work on the construction of
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  disneyland itself oh yeah which is amazing i
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  mean so so he's there during the time where Um,
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  if, if memory serves, it was a year from the
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  time that they started and when Walt had announced
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  that they were going to open and somehow they
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  made that happen in a year, which is just kind
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  of wild. Yeah. Right. Well, and it's funny because,
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  uh, as I mentioned earlier, I was an educator
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  and one of my health lessons, we talk about resilience.
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  Well, what better example than Walt Disney, right?
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  I mean, and I'm sure you know, um, cause I know
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  you're a huge Disney buff. Um, he, he. was going
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  to make it happen. He had the vision and I think
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  he was turned down over 300 times. And to me,
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  if I get turned down, I have this idea. And if
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  people look at me and say, you're crazy. And
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  so I'd always tell my kids, imagine if I opened
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  a park. I wanted to open a park. And my pitch
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  to people, to investors was, I want to open this
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  park. Eagle Mountain, and I want the main character
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  to be, I don't know, a donkey, and I'm going
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  to call it Jaegerland. I mean, it sounds silly,
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  right? But we talk about that, how silly it must
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  have sounded back in the 50s, maybe late 40s
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  when Walt was really putting this all together.
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  I'm going to open a park in these orange groves
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  in Anaheim, and I'm going to call it Disneyland.
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  I mean, that's probably why he had over 300 rejections.
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  Yeah, here we are. And he had to risk a lot because,
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  you know, when he initially had Mickey Mouse
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  really start taking off, which was not the first
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  character he had, right? His first character
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  kind of got stolen away from him. But then he
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  goes with Mickey and then he has all the success.
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  Finally, after really hard times doing it, has
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  a lot of success, but puts it all on the line.
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  Right. Like all on the line to do this Disneyland
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  thing. And you're right. Claire and the Orange
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  Grows in Anaheim, which at the time was like.
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  kind of middle of nowhere it's kind of like oh
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  there's this open space there's these orange
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  groves sure nobody's gonna come why not there
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  let's let's do it there and decides to do it
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  and your uh your papa gets to be a part of building
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  disneyland did he ever tell you any stories about
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  what it was like to build it or what kind of
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  things he did when they were building it um the
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  only thing i remember when we talked about specifically
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  um because he passed away you know I wish I'd
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  got to know him more as a young adult. Sure.
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  But I just remember that there was – he would
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  talk about the days being long. Oh, yeah. But
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  anything he said and Mamaw ever said about Walt
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  Disney was always positive. Like he – never anything
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  negative to say. He would interact and engage
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  with everyone. Nobody felt like – they were beneath
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  them and uh just positive stories i remember
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  him saying it was just a lot of work i mean yeah
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  and and a lot of changes like they'd start with
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  something and change into something else but
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  that's i wish i would love to be able to sit
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  down with them now sure you know and have those
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  conversations one of the things that i love um
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  that um i've heard that walt did and implemented
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  and what they still do today is you just everybody
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  was their first name yeah that that it never
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  was never in mr disney it was never like titles
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  for people was just people's first names um he
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  would always tell people to call him walt and
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  he and so even now that's why they all have it's
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  just the first name on there they don't have
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  last names on any of the tags and name badges
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  because it's that more personal relationship
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  right that he would want to create and that he
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  helped create for others because i do think it's
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  i mean i think it's so unique that what you're
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  saying is like they they're he's working long
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  hours it's not easy It's a vision that some people
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  didn't believe in. And yet your dad or your grandpa,
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  your papa did it and then stayed working for
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  the company for many, many years. And so it must
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  have been a great appreciation for what the vision
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  was of what Disneyland represented, what it meant
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  to people. Yeah. I mean, you think about, like
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  you said, relationships. He people he made people
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  feel valued. And that's, I think, was I would
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  assume was part of his vision with the park.
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  When people go there, they want to feel. special
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  like it's a special place you know and i mean
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  the employees you know anybody's been to disneyland
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  you don't see a disgruntled employee it's just
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  it's just not allowed but it's but i in the same
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  sense it's not like people are holding back they're
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  not liking their job people genuinely enjoy working
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  there and that's why my my grandparents my mom
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  papa they they worked there till the day they
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  retired i mean they love they love disneyland
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  it's part like a part of who i am it's part of
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  who they were and then outside of it They were
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  very proud, you know, when people, and I was
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  proud as a grandchild, you know, you know, my
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  grandma, my mom, I would say my mom and papa
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  in California didn't, you know, they work at
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  Disneyland, but you know, you have a lot of friends
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  when your grandparents work at Disneyland. So
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  it was, it was great, but they loved their jobs
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  and it carried over and the relationships are
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  great. And, and another, when we're talking about,
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  you know, themes, you know, about what we're
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  talking about, unconditional love. yeah you know
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  i mean they you feel love when you're at disneyland
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  that's why everybody wants to go there because
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  all everything they hear about is so positive
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  yeah and and you know what i think is also really
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  unique here is your papa i think you said he
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  um ran the steam engine train like that i think
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  i would guess that had to be a pretty prominent
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  position because walt loved trains like he was
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  obsessed with trains he had this little train
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  thing at his house and so when he was doing disneyland
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  having a train was a non -negotiable right had
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  a great love for trains and so the fact that
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  that that your papa got to run the train man
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  he had a lot of trust from walt himself to be
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  able to do that and do that for as long as he
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  did yeah yeah they did and and he like i said
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  he was proud and and i know we had mentioned
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  we talked earlier um he would let When my friends,
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  especially birthday parties, Papaw would let
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  us sit up in the front and let us – we just basically
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  held a valve that made sure that it wasn't –
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  we weren't doing anything wrong. But I just remember
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  it was the opposite. If you wanted to slow down,
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  you'd lift the lever a little bit up. And if
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  you want to speed up, you'd lift – you'd pull
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  it down. And they'd always bring it in to the
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  stop at each place around the park. But I just
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  – I still remember the smell of the steam engines.
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  And then when we went a couple years ago – they
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  went away with that. And so I missed that smell,
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  but I get it, you know, environmentally wise
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  and all that. But it was, it was, it was awesome.
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  I loved it. Did you ever get to like, Oh yes.
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  Oh yeah. Right. Cause you have to do it right
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  when you're coming into us. Yeah. And so, but
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  he would tell us when to do it. Like we couldn't
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  just sit there and just, you know, sure. Cling
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  away. Do it the right time. Yeah. But you got
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  to do that. No, it was great. You know, and then.
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  Obviously, you know, your friends, you go back
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  home and you're talking about it. And then it
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  was fun. It makes you pretty popular as a kid,
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  that's for sure. But I loved it. I loved it.
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  And then your mama, she worked at the China shop,
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  I think you had mentioned. Yeah. On Main Street,
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  right? On Main Street. Every time I go in there,
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  I still get emotional. I just remember that,
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  you know. And she worked with this gal named
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  Ruby. I'll never forget Ruby. And she was the
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  kind of gal that would come up, you know, squeeze
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  your cheeks and give you those wet smooches and
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  all that kind of stuff. But, you know, I just
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  remember the wax paper. We were in there a couple
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  of years ago. And I saw the workers because they
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  dress, you know, with that, I don't know, early
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  1900s attire or whatever, you know. And the barbershop
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  quartets would come in and sing. But I remember
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  they'd pull out the wax paper and wrap up all,
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  you know, the Disney. pluto mugs or whatever
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  that you're you're purchasing and uh it just
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  it hasn't the interior hasn't really changed
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  much and that's what i think is so cool because
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  i can walk in there and immediately just have
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  all these flashbacks just positive memories and
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  and i think what's so great about the way that
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  that he created disneyland and crafted it is
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  that um You get that experience when you've been
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  there before. So when I'm walking in now, because
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  I've been going since I was four years old, you're
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  walking down Main Street and you do just, it
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  just takes you back. Oh, yeah. It just takes
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  you back. When you have that style from the early
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  1900s that was kind of Missouri where he grew
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  up and also kind of Colorado, which is one of
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  the guys that kind of helped design it. But there's
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  this kind of place that just takes you back in
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  time. Yeah. You know? that just transports you
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  as you walk through Main Street. And then, like
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  you said, and then every land you go into, and
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  again, people listening who visited, you feel
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  like you're in a different, you know, definitely
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  a different part of the world. I mean, even the
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  new Star Wars land is phenomenal. I love that.
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  And I've only been to that twice and love that.
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  But yeah, that Main Street just has that old
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  feel and they have the penny arcades and all
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  that kind of stuff. And it's just, you know,
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  and if you notice though, it's never dirty i
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  mean if somebody spills some popcorn that thing's
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  scooped up in two or three minutes you know and
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  it's definitely a contrast you see with other
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  theme parks out there so my wife and i had gone
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  to uh san antonio for a business trip of mine
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  and we were uh our hotel was right next to six
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  flags in san antonio they're like hey six flags
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  we got you know an open afternoon we're gonna
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  go there And, oh yeah, it was, I mean, Six Flags
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  has some good roller coasters. They do. But it
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  is not clean like Disneyland. The staff is not
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  friendly like they are. The whole process just
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  doesn't work the same. Disney just does things
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  different. It's an attention to detail that's
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  like no other amusement park. And I've been to
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  the Six Flags in California. I've been to a lot
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  of amusement parks. And Lagoon's a great place
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  to go visit. But the attention to detail in Disneyland
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  is unreal. There's lots of hidden Easter eggs,
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  you know, I'm sure. Oh, yeah. And I finally saw
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  the Eeyore sign because I do remember when I
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  was younger, the parking lot was, you know, you'd
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  park in, you know, D for Dumbo and G for Goofy
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  because it'd be easy to forget where you parked
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  your car with all the cars there. But I guess
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  they built the Indiana Jones ride around the
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  Eeyore sign. And so when you go into that room
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  with the old projectors playing. Yeah. And we
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  couldn't. So I had to finally give in and ask
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  one of the employees there, but you can look
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  back and you can see it, but they built around
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  it. No kidding. Which is just little cool things
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  like that. I did not know that. Oh, I can't wait
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  to go back now. Yeah. You know, except when you
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  look for it. So I want to, next time we go, I'm
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  going to. I want to go online and look. Maybe
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  it would be great just to make a day of looking
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  for Easter eggs, you know. Yeah. I mean, they've
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  got tons of them. I've been on that Indiana Jones
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  ride many a time. So I can't wait to go back
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  and try that one out. They did a very good job
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  with the queue for that ride. And back when they
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  first made it. Yeah, actually, I had to wait
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  through that entire queue. Now, with the way
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  they do the Lightning Lane, you end up walking
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  past some of the fun stuff. They have a lot of
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  it, but still a great queue leading up to that
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  ride. Yeah. I mean, I think you need, for the
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  amount of people that go there now and all that,
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  you really have to plot out your day. He was
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  almost like our tour guide because you can only
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  buy some of those tickets, those lightning tickets
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  or whatever they call them, the fast passes at
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  certain times. So it's like you have to coordinate
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  your day and be efficient. Otherwise, you can't
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  see everything, especially with two parks now.
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  You can't see everything unless you go for four
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  days if you really want to see everything and
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  enjoy it. Especially if you want to see some
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  of the shows because there's some really fun
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  shows. I think you mentioned – do you have a
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  granddaughter? Or a grandchild? Yep. I have a
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  granddaughter, yes. And I have a daughter. I
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  mean, all our kids, we took them to the FBI.
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  I have a granddaughter. She's one. So she's a
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  couple years away. She's a couple years away.
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  But we'll be doing it again. Have you guys ever
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  gone to the Royal Theater there? I don't think
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  so. So as you're walking up to... the castle
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  um the little roundabout there it's right off
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  to your left and there's this very small little
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  theater they do there and they call it the royal
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  theater here the tiki room it it's a little bit
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  a little bit closer to the castle okay okay because
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  it is right next to the castle okay and and it
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  only seats maybe 50 people total uh but it's
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  these cute little shows they do of tangled And
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  then Beauty and the Beast. And it's really catered
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  to like the littles, which is so fun. I've got
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  two little girls, so we love going to it. And
• 18:34
  it's these two guys who are like kind of comedians
• 18:36
  and they kind of play all the parts and then
• 18:37
  they have the princess. So Rapunzel's there and
• 18:39
  then they play all the other roles. And then
• 18:41
  they have Belle there, and they play all day
• 18:43
  long. It's a little stage. It's a tiny little
• 18:45
  thing, but it's the cutest thing to do for little.
• 18:47
  So when your granddaughter's old enough and you
• 18:50
  take her there, you've got to go to the Royal
• 18:52
  Theater. I always tell people, my daughters have
• 18:54
  loved it for the last few years when we've taken
• 18:55
  them. It's so cute. Write that down. Such a nice
• 18:58
  job. But there's so many things to do, right?
• 19:00
  Like you're saying, you can go there for a number
• 19:02
  of days and still not get everything in because
• 19:04
  there's so much to see and so much to do. That's
• 19:08
  what I loved about it. Again, I'm old enough.
• 19:11
  Any old people listening will remember the A,
• 19:14
  B, C, D, E tickets. And I think the E tickets
• 19:16
  were the one for the cool rides, the Haunted
• 19:18
  Mansion. Space Mountain came out when I was a
• 19:22
  teenager. And I may have mentioned to you that
• 19:23
  that was like such a big deal. I remember that
• 19:27
  was just like the talk of the town, Space Mountain,
• 19:29
  Space Mountain. Because Matterhorn was kind of
• 19:31
  there to throw a ride. But it's just – there's
• 19:34
  just so much to do. Even back then when it was
• 19:37
  – the park was even smaller. So it's hard to
• 19:41
  get to everything. And obviously, with lots of
• 19:42
  people there, that weighs in. Now, with Space
• 19:45
  Mountain, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't
• 19:48
  you sometimes get to get in a little bit early
• 19:50
  and go hit up Space Mountain? Tell that story.
• 19:52
  Yeah. So, you know, where they do the rope drop,
• 19:55
  it's right there by the China shop. So they want
• 19:58
  you to get in there. Of course, it's designed
• 20:00
  also where everybody buys everything when they're
• 20:02
  walking out. But a lot of people, you know, we're
• 20:04
  going to. park opens let's say they drop the
• 20:06
  rope at nine but they'll let people in maybe
• 20:08
  at eight i'm guessing i don't remember exactly
• 20:10
  but so for an hour they're right there on main
• 20:12
  street waiting for the rope to drop but mama
• 20:15
  would take us through the side um there's a little
• 20:19
  there's a door it's still there because i saw
• 20:21
  it the last time we went but they keep it shut
• 20:24
  for the rope drop she would open it and we she'd
• 20:27
  send us and we just fly out of there hang a right
• 20:29
  and go down the space mountain and they would
• 20:31
  do i think they called them dry runs you know
• 20:33
  where they're getting the you know, or whatever.
• 20:35
  And we'd run in there. And like I said, they
• 20:38
  saw me a lot, especially in, you know, my early
• 20:41
  teens and all that. And we'd go in there and
• 20:44
  the workers would let us get on for the dry runs.
• 20:46
  And we'd go through it a couple of times. We'd
• 20:48
  go through it when the lights were on, which
• 20:50
  was real trippy. Yeah. But then, you know, the
• 20:53
  lights are off and then we'd come back in and,
• 20:55
  you know. The rope still hasn't dropped. The
• 20:58
  people haven't got there yet. And they'd be like,
• 20:59
  you guys want to go again? And we'd be like,
• 21:01
  so we wouldn't even get out. We'd get to go again.
• 21:03
  And we thought it was so cool. Funny enough,
• 21:05
  I remember there were multiple times where we'd
• 21:08
  go on it four or five times in a row or maybe
• 21:12
  it wasn't busy yet. But the last time I went
• 21:15
  on it. I got off and you asked my wife, I needed
• 21:18
  like a 30 minute break. I'm like, Holy cow. How
• 21:21
  did I, if I did that now, it'd be crazy. I can
• 21:24
  really take it out of you. Yeah. But it felt
• 21:26
  special, you know, ma 'am, I had some perks,
• 21:28
  you know, so of course. And, uh, and some of
• 21:30
  the workers, you kind of recognize them and they
• 21:32
  recognize you. So it was pretty cool. Yeah. That's
• 21:34
  awesome. What, what did you learn as a kid? And
• 21:40
  then as a young man growing up about relationships
• 21:42
  from. your mom and from your mamma and papa and
• 21:47
  from your grandparents as they all kind of like
• 21:49
  as a village, so to speak, kind of raised you.
• 21:52
  What did you learn about relationships? What
• 21:53
  do they teach you about that? I mentioned it
• 21:56
  earlier. I think one of the big things is just
• 21:58
  unconditional love, kindness. And, you know,
• 22:01
  I don't claim to be perfect, but I added, but
• 22:04
  I know how important it is because that's something,
• 22:08
  you know, that mamma, especially, I mean, We
• 22:14
  got in trouble in the park sometimes. We'd do
• 22:18
  things we shouldn't be doing, jumping boats on
• 22:20
  one of the old boat rides. A friend of mine knocked
• 22:22
  the apple off the witch's hand in Snow White.
• 22:27
  And there's cameras. They see everything. I don't
• 22:31
  suggest getting up and walking off the moving
• 22:34
  parts of the Haunted Mansion. That's not good.
• 22:39
  And I guess, you know, I think just being able
• 22:41
  to forgive, unconditional love, it was huge.
• 22:45
  And just treating everyone with respect, you
• 22:48
  know. I think that's what I love about Disneyland.
• 22:51
  Anybody who goes there, the workers there, you
• 22:53
  see it, you know. And I think a lot of people,
• 22:56
  I mean, that's what I wanted. My mom worked there
• 22:59
  for a time. My biological father did and two
• 23:02
  of my uncles. And they loved it. My mom worked
• 23:07
  the Matterhorn. She always has fun stories to
• 23:10
  tell. And then the Golden Horseshoe, I think
• 23:13
  I told you my uncle worked there. And he's a
• 23:15
  full -fledged cowboy now up in western Montana,
• 23:18
  up near Whitefish, Calisper area, if you've ever
• 23:21
  been up there. And that's the place to be if
• 23:23
  you're a cowboy. And I always – I should ask
• 23:25
  him, like, did working there kind of inspire
• 23:27
  you to – because it had that western theme. So,
• 23:32
  yeah. But I think just – The value of unconditional
• 23:36
  love and just treating people with kindness.
• 23:39
  Yeah, I love that. Besides this podcast, I actually
• 23:43
  own a law firm, RCG Law Group. And I'll be honest,
• 23:46
  most people think only about calling a lawyer
• 23:48
  when something has gone sideways already. We'd
• 23:51
  rather you know who we are before that happens.
• 23:54
  So if you ever need us, we're right here. What
• 23:58
  for you was kind of the hardest part about growing
• 24:01
  up with a single mom? I think, you know, not
• 24:05
  having the male adult role model. I mean, my
• 24:09
  papa, both of my grandparents, they were my grandfathers.
• 24:13
  They were my male adult role models. When my
• 24:16
  mom remarried, he was a great guy. But we just
• 24:22
  didn't connect like my friends did with their
• 24:25
  fathers, you know. So I think the most challenging
• 24:29
  thing for me was sporting events. And just not
• 24:33
  having a dad there to support you, you know,
• 24:36
  which I remember thinking about it. I would only
• 24:42
  really think about it when I'd see my other friends'
• 24:45
  fathers there at the games, you know. But those
• 24:47
  dads were great. And I think they recognized
• 24:49
  what was going on, seeing me and my mom. And
• 24:52
  so they'd come over and, hey, good job, Sean.
• 24:54
  You played great, that kind of stuff. But that
• 24:56
  was the most challenging thing for me, I think.
• 25:00
  informed the way that you raised your kids and
• 25:05
  maybe also the way that you showed up for the
• 25:08
  kids that you taught and coached um we've had
• 25:11
  this conversation a lot uh my wife and i and
• 25:14
  my kids but you know you you want to it inspires
• 25:18
  you to be the dad that you didn't have and again
• 25:22
  i'm not I don't claim to be perfect, but I strived.
• 25:26
  I think that's why I got into education too,
• 25:28
  because I wanted that flexibility. Education
• 25:31
  has provided me the flexibility to, you know,
• 25:33
  I don't think I missed much of any of my kids'
• 25:36
  sporting events. I wanted to be there for them.
• 25:42
  It's funny you ask that question from a coaching
• 25:44
  perspective. I recognize, and I'm not really...
• 25:49
  I'm processing this because you asked a great
• 25:50
  question. I recognized kids who didn't have,
• 25:54
  who maybe were in that same situation. And I
• 25:57
  felt myself gravitating and trying to fill that
• 26:02
  void a little bit. Like maybe they needed a few
• 26:04
  more attaboys or attagirls, you know? Yeah. Because
• 26:07
  I coached boys and girls basketball at different
• 26:11
  times in my career. So it's funny you ask that
• 26:14
  question because I'm just now realizing I think
• 26:16
  I did that, you know? Yeah, it's pretty natural
• 26:18
  to me. I think you understood better than anybody
• 26:20
  the value of what positive, positive adult influences
• 26:25
  and especially positive male influences that
• 26:27
  that was not present, like how much that can
• 26:29
  make an impact on somebody. Every health lesson
• 26:32
  I did always seemed to, you know, whether you're
• 26:35
  talking about depression or resilience or anything,
• 26:41
  all these positive, all these characteristics,
• 26:44
  it all came back to. Every youth should have
• 26:49
  at least one adult role model in their life who
• 26:53
  has their genuine well -being and interest in
• 26:56
  mind. Somebody that they can truly trust. Every
• 27:00
  young child, teenager needs that. Somebody they
• 27:04
  can talk to. Somebody they can go to. There's
• 27:08
  a lot of research out there that just shows that
• 27:10
  when those things, when they have those types
• 27:13
  of people in their lives, that they just tend
• 27:17
  to live healthier, better lives. I mean, there's
• 27:20
  no guarantees. Yeah, but you can definitely give
• 27:23
  them a better shot when you can have that positive
• 27:25
  influence on a kid's life. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt.
• 27:28
  So let's bring in. this movie enchanted and we're
• 27:32
  going to talk about some different things of
• 27:34
  the arc of of the character giselle in uh enchanted
• 27:38
  i'm going to read a quick synopsis of the movie
• 27:40
  kind of gives us a 30 000 foot view i'm going
• 27:42
  to ask you about a couple of quotes that i've
• 27:44
  got on here so here's the brief synopsis enchanted
• 27:47
  follows giselle an animated princess from the
• 27:49
  fairy tale kingdom of andalasia who believes
• 27:52
  in love at first sight and happily ever after
• 27:55
  without question When the jealous queen banishes
• 27:58
  her through a magical portal, Giselle lands in
• 28:01
  live -action New York City, disoriented and still
• 28:04
  fully expecting her prince, Edward, to rescue
• 28:07
  her. Instead, she's taken in by Robert, a divorced,
• 28:11
  pragmatic divorce lawyer who has grown cynical
• 28:13
  about love and is raising his young daughter
• 28:15
  to believe the same. As Giselle's fairytale worldview
• 28:19
  collides with Robert's guarded realism, Both
• 28:21
  are forced to confront what they believe love
• 28:24
  actually requires. And the film builds to the
• 28:26
  idea that real love isn't handed to you like
• 28:29
  a spell breaking. It's chosen and fought for
• 28:31
  in the real world. That synopsis. Really, like
• 28:35
  this is such a good show, right? Like there's
• 28:37
  so many actual life lessons to pull from it.
• 28:39
  But let's talk about like the very beginning,
• 28:41
  right? When Giselle is kind of in this stage
• 28:44
  of not understanding what love actually is, not
• 28:47
  understanding what happily ever after means,
• 28:49
  having no idea what it is. And here's one of
• 28:50
  the things that she says. I'm sure that Edward
• 28:53
  is already searching for me. No doubt by morning
• 28:55
  he'll come and rescue me from this strange land.
• 28:58
  Take me home so the two of us can share a true
• 29:00
  love's kiss. And so, you know, in what way do
• 29:03
  we sometimes have this? This kind of, I guess,
• 29:07
  fairytale view of what love actually means. And
• 29:11
  what does love actually mean? And how is it a
• 29:14
  little bit different than her kind of, I would
• 29:17
  say, infantile view of what love is? Well, yeah,
• 29:21
  I mean, she's very naive, which makes her even
• 29:25
  more likable. You know, just, you know, being
• 29:27
  thrown into, I think it's New York City. Yeah,
• 29:29
  New York. And I think her, you know, kids. look
• 29:35
  at love it's all it's a fairy tale right everybody
• 29:38
  wants their life to be a fairy tale and then
• 29:40
  as we get older we realize that um that that
• 29:43
  doesn't always go what's that line by john lennon
• 29:46
  life's what happens when you're busy making other
• 29:47
  plans right you know yeah and so but we all want
• 29:50
  that love it just comes in different ways in
• 29:52
  that movie though uh i thought she was uh you
• 29:57
  start off thinking she's the one that has a lot
• 30:01
  to learn but as the movie goes on She ends up
• 30:06
  teaching us in the classic Disney, the real life
• 30:12
  with animation, which this whole movie encapsulates
• 30:15
  all the different fairy tales in the one. That's
• 30:17
  why I told you I love it so much. But she ends
• 30:19
  up teaching us about sometimes you just... We've
• 30:23
  got to simplify, keep it simple. So she's kind
• 30:26
  of naive in a sense. She learns a little bit,
• 30:28
  but at the same time, she goes around and educates
• 30:31
  others. And like I told you about like that one
• 30:33
  couple, I think she helps kind of mediates, I
• 30:39
  guess, in a way and gives them some advice. And
• 30:42
  so when I look at it, I think the message and
• 30:45
  a lot of messages in that movie is, you know,
• 30:48
  keep. Keep it simple. Don't focus on the thick
• 30:52
  of thin things. My wife and I talk about that
• 30:55
  a lot. It's something I'm working on right now.
• 30:57
  But that movie, I loved it. I thought Giselle
• 31:00
  was the one that taught everyone at the end.
• 31:02
  Yeah, because in the beginning, you do kind of
• 31:04
  see her as this just really naive character.
• 31:07
  When in reality, there's actually this purity
• 31:09
  to her belief in love. And I think you're right.
• 31:13
  Sometimes we want to look at that child. childlike
• 31:18
  things and think they're just childish. But sometimes
• 31:21
  they're not. Sometimes we actually could be a
• 31:23
  little bit more childlike and have a little bit
• 31:25
  more of that purity in what we believe. Because
• 31:28
  Robert, the divorced divorce attorney, which
• 31:33
  he is, and which when I rewatched this show,
• 31:35
  I thought it was so funny. I told you this before,
• 31:36
  but I didn't realize he was a divorce attorney
• 31:39
  until I rewatched it. And I'm like, oh my goodness,
• 31:40
  I'm a divorce attorney. How do I not realize
• 31:42
  that Robert's a divorce attorney? But he has
• 31:44
  this really cynical view. And one of the things
• 31:46
  he says when he's talking to his daughter, he
• 31:49
  says, forget about happily ever after. It doesn't
• 31:52
  exist. So he's like on the opposite end of the
• 31:55
  spectrum, right? 100%. Giselle is like, oh, of
• 31:57
  course it's going to be happily ever after. I
• 31:58
  just need to have true love's kiss. And he's
• 32:00
  like, yeah, daughter, forget about it. It doesn't
• 32:02
  happen. It doesn't exist. Don't even try thinking
• 32:06
  that's going to be something that happens in
• 32:07
  life. And it really is just like, okay, how do
• 32:10
  these characters end up coming together? um in
• 32:14
  a way that really ends up teaching robert a lot
• 32:16
  more about life because i think more often as
• 32:19
  adults were robert yeah it's easy for us to be
• 32:23
  cynical it's easy to connect with him easily
• 32:24
  yeah it's it's easy to be like man life's hard
• 32:27
  man a lot of things happen like a lot of tough
• 32:29
  things happen you know why why does this person
• 32:32
  get cancer why is this person dying a car accident
• 32:35
  right why why do i get divorced why does my spouse
• 32:38
  leave me i deal with that all the time as a divorce
• 32:40
  attorney right where people are not wanting this
• 32:43
  divorce to happen and kind of left like, why
• 32:46
  is this the thing that happened to me? And then
• 32:49
  kind of feeling a little bit down about what
• 32:51
  life has presented. But I think you're right.
• 32:54
  What Giselle starts to teach him is that there
• 32:57
  is something there for us all. There is love
• 33:01
  and happiness for us there if we will look for
• 33:05
  it. And have a little bit more of that maybe
• 33:07
  childlike view that there is something more there.
• 33:12
  And like you said, sorry, Ryan, but like you
• 33:14
  said, there were two totally opposite people.
• 33:18
  But I think, again, two people that can seem
• 33:20
  so different could have enough commonalities
• 33:24
  where they could fall in love. You know what
• 33:26
  I'm saying? Absolutely. I love that movie. Why
• 33:29
  do you think it is that sometimes we get cynical
• 33:33
  in life like Robert? Through experience where
• 33:38
  maybe things just aren't going our way. We seem
• 33:42
  to have hard luck. Me, spiritually, I feel like
• 33:46
  there's always a reason for that. Some things
• 33:48
  are put in front of us that we need to learn
• 33:51
  to overcome. But experience and just maybe not
• 33:55
  having a lot of the positive experiences happen.
• 33:59
  So you just kind of start going down this woe
• 34:02
  is me downward spiral to where. you kind of almost
• 34:06
  like you give up a little bit. And so when somebody
• 34:10
  comes up and says, I'm looking for my Prince
• 34:12
  Charming and my true love's kiss, it's like,
• 34:14
  you know, crazy, you know. But I truly believe,
• 34:19
  and this is where Walt Disney comes back in the
• 34:22
  play, we all have that child in us. I feel like
• 34:26
  it gets buried, but sometimes, you know, we have
• 34:29
  to go back and find that and remember that and
• 34:32
  just get back to who we truly are. our core and
• 34:35
  just to, you know, to be a kid again, you know,
• 34:38
  I would love to be a kid again. I think that's
• 34:40
  why I love the movies and we watch all the, we
• 34:43
  just saw Spider -Man. I mean, you know, we go
• 34:45
  to movies to enjoy ourselves, but Walt Disney,
• 34:47
  Disney movies have shaped us. Yeah. Yeah. It's,
• 34:51
  you know, it's, it's really interesting. I love
• 34:53
  where you're going here with this. And it really
• 34:55
  leads really well into this, this quote that
• 34:58
  I found from John Gottman. John Gottman's one
• 35:00
  of the primary authorities when it comes to marriage
• 35:03
  and family counseling. He and his wife are the
• 35:06
  authorities on it. And he said this, which was
• 35:09
  so interesting. He said, happily ever after simply
• 35:12
  means that both partners are known, valued, accepted
• 35:17
  for who they are and who they are becoming. The
• 35:20
  goal is to be able to love your partner more
• 35:22
  deeply each and every year you're together. i
• 35:26
  love that reframing of happily ever after yeah
• 35:29
  give me give me your take on that give me your
• 35:31
  take on john gottman's framing of happily ever
• 35:33
  after and what it means well when you're talking
• 35:35
  about just the relationship part um it makes
• 35:39
  me think i don't know how long ago i heard this
• 35:41
  but like it's about you know the person that
• 35:43
  like my wife and i've been married coming up
• 35:45
  on 31 years you know we fell in love with the
• 35:49
  people we were then but we're not the same people
• 35:52
  we are now so you have you have you're both changing.
• 35:55
  So you're falling in love with the newer version
• 35:58
  of each other each and every day, each and every
• 36:00
  year, you know? So, you know, I love, but with
• 36:04
  that, it makes, it makes your love even stronger,
• 36:08
  you know, but I, to me, the happily ever after
• 36:11
  is continuing to grow and learn and love the
• 36:14
  person you're with because they're changing just
• 36:16
  like you are. And that to me is exciting. You
• 36:20
  know, I still think. Speaking of Mamaw and Papaw,
• 36:23
  I talked about relationships. Because when you're
• 36:27
  a kid and they've been helping raise you, you
• 36:31
  have these conversations. I was closer to my
• 36:34
  grandparents than maybe a lot of people were
• 36:36
  with their grandparents. I'm not saying that
• 36:38
  I was the closest, but my point is they told
• 36:41
  me that the magic to their relationship was love
• 36:45
  and compromise. And so I've tried to apply that
• 36:48
  into my relationship with my wife because that's
• 36:51
  huge. But we're constantly growing and you're
• 36:54
  just going to fall in love with that person again.
• 36:56
  It's a beautiful reframe because many times sitting
• 36:59
  in my seat as a divorce attorney, what I'll hear
• 37:01
  is like, oh, we're getting divorced because we're
• 37:04
  just two different people than when we got married.
• 37:07
  15 years ago, 20 years ago. And now I'm kind
• 37:09
  of thinking like, yeah, no kidding. Yeah. Yeah.
• 37:12
  You're different because you're not, you know,
• 37:15
  you, when you were 21, you know, you're 36, you're
• 37:18
  40, you're 45. Of course you're different. The
• 37:20
  question is, are you going to use those, those,
• 37:23
  that growth and those differences you have in
• 37:25
  growth together? Are you going to value each
• 37:28
  other, accept each other for who you are and
• 37:30
  who you are becoming? Like John Gottman said,
• 37:33
  fall. I love how you said fall in love. as you
• 37:36
  go to you're falling in love with who you're
• 37:39
  becoming as you're changing which is such a beautiful
• 37:41
  way to look at it or he's going to see the change
• 37:43
  as negative yeah and push it away like robert
• 37:45
  right like okay yep cynical you're not who you
• 37:48
  were when i married you 20 years ago so that
• 37:50
  must mean we we aren't meant for each other must
• 37:52
  mean when you get divorced when in reality is
• 37:54
  that okay you are a little bit different and
• 37:56
  so am i yeah okay so how do we have the how do
• 37:58
  we have the compromise how do we have the communication
• 38:01
  and the collaboration in this relationship um
• 38:04
  I also love that this is such a different way
• 38:08
  to look at Happily Ever After because I think
• 38:10
  sometimes Disney movies get criticized for the
• 38:14
  Happily Ever After. Like, oh, it's just this
• 38:16
  unrealistic view. Like, of course, yeah, you're
• 38:18
  going to find your true love and, you know, the
• 38:19
  Happily Ever After and it's all roses. No, I
• 38:22
  think the way that John Gottman is describing
• 38:23
  it and like you've described it is Happily Ever
• 38:26
  After is a process of becoming. Yeah. And continuing
• 38:29
  to fall in love. It's not one thing and it's
• 38:31
  over. It's what does that now look like? Now
• 38:34
  you can embark on this journey together to find
• 38:38
  joy and happiness together in this process of
• 38:42
  growing and becoming. It's really a nice way
• 38:45
  to look at it. And another thing that just made
• 38:47
  me think about this while you were talking about
• 38:48
  that is you're learning to love this person who's
• 38:53
  changing. Like, you know, watching my wife help
• 38:56
  raise four kids. She hadn't raised any kids when
• 39:00
  I met her. So this is a person now that I know
• 39:04
  and I've watched do this. She's a different person,
• 39:07
  but I love her even more. But another part that's
• 39:10
  really important is it's hard because a lot of
• 39:13
  times I think people can love another person.
• 39:18
  But you also got to love the person that you're
• 39:20
  growing and evolving into as well. And if you
• 39:23
  don't love yourself, then sometimes what you
• 39:24
  do, there's different ways you can respond to
• 39:26
  that. You can close yourself off from the world.
• 39:28
  You can have resentment because maybe the person
• 39:30
  that you're in love with is happy with the way
• 39:33
  they're evolving and you're not happy with yourself.
• 39:37
  So that can cause some conflict in a relationship.
• 39:40
  So we're all growing and learning. Like I'm 59
• 39:44
  years old. I don't know what it's like to be
• 39:49
  60, so I've got to learn how to be 59 and get
• 39:53
  advice from other people. But I've got to accept
• 39:56
  that I'm getting older and love the person that
• 39:58
  I am. Do I wish I could still go play basketball
• 40:01
  and run up and down the floor like I used to?
• 40:03
  Sure, but I've got to be able to accept that
• 40:05
  and still love the person I am now and the thinning
• 40:07
  hair and the gray hair. But it's part of life.
• 40:11
  But you've got to love yourself, and then I think
• 40:12
  it helps you love others. I think it's important
• 40:17
  when we think about, you know, ourselves and
• 40:19
  how we're changing, giving ourselves grace as
• 40:24
  well, because we're not going to be perfect.
• 40:27
  Like we are in the process of changing. We're
• 40:29
  in the process of things are different than they
• 40:31
  used to be. Giving ourselves some grace as well
• 40:33
  as giving our loved ones that grace as they're
• 40:35
  doing the same thing. As they're growing, as
• 40:38
  they're learning, as they're changing and becoming
• 40:40
  somebody new and somebody different, giving that
• 40:43
  grace really provides space, I think, for that
• 40:46
  love to continue to exist there. Yes. Amidst
• 40:49
  those changes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When you think
• 40:52
  about your role as an athletic director right
• 40:57
  now and in the things that you do, when you're
• 41:02
  trying to show up for a student, for a kid, How
• 41:09
  is it you do that when it's not easy? It's either
• 41:14
  there's barriers in the way, it's maybe the lack
• 41:17
  of parent support or, you know, there's kids
• 41:21
  in a really difficult situation. How do you continue
• 41:23
  to show up for these kids and help them and inspire
• 41:26
  them when it's really hard to do it? Before we
• 41:30
  jump back in, can I ask you a quick favor? If
• 41:33
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• 41:45
  the world but it takes people to make the dream
• 41:48
  a reality um first of all real quick i just want
• 41:52
  to say i meant to say this at the beginning you're
• 41:56
  you're a lot younger than me but i think it's
• 41:58
  so cool that somebody how old are you 44 You're
• 42:02
  44? 44. Well, I thought you were in your 30s.
• 42:04
  So you're doing great. But still, still young
• 42:07
  to me, right? But the fact you're 44, you live
• 42:10
  in Utah and you have this family and you have
• 42:13
  this passion for Disneyland. I just think it's
• 42:15
  so cool. But anyway, it's just nice to see. But
• 42:18
  to answer your question, and you kind of touched
• 42:20
  on a little bit about parents and all that and
• 42:22
  their background. Life's about relationships.
• 42:25
  Coaching for me was always about relationships.
• 42:27
  Teaching is about relationships. The best thing
• 42:30
  I could do as a teacher, even as an athletic
• 42:33
  director, is get to know the people you work
• 42:35
  with or get to know your students. So we're using
• 42:36
  students as an example. If you get to know them
• 42:39
  and you understand their upbringing, a lot of
• 42:42
  them have a tough situation. So it's easy to
• 42:45
  sympathize, maybe not empathize, but sympathize
• 42:50
  with them. And it makes you want to help them,
• 42:53
  obviously. But the other go -to for me, because
• 42:56
  that's a really good question. I wasn't perfect
• 42:59
  as a kid and I would hate to be judged on the
• 43:03
  things I did or said when I was 15, 16 or 17
• 43:06
  years old. So I look at all these, you know,
• 43:09
  I would, if I met my 15 year old me, you know,
• 43:13
  like the Brad Paisley song, you know, wrote that
• 43:16
  letter to me song, but I would probably think
• 43:18
  I was, you know, kids and knucklehead, you know?
• 43:20
  So I, I, The brain doesn't fully mature until,
• 43:24
  what, 25? Is that what they say? So you have
• 43:26
  to keep telling yourself that because there's
• 43:28
  been so many students I've had over the years
• 43:31
  that were knuckleheads. I don't mean to use that
• 43:35
  term, but like my wife knows, I just got an out
• 43:38
  -of -the -blue Instagram. I don't know how to
• 43:39
  work Instagram well, but I just got this. It
• 43:41
  was under the request. It wasn't a message. It
• 43:43
  said request. And I clicked on it. It was something
• 43:46
  from a student of mine from 2009. who was reaching
• 43:51
  out to me and he he was a handful and he even
• 43:55
  said that in the message i know you know i won't
• 43:58
  use the term that he used but he used a term
• 44:00
  and he was spot on but um what i'm getting at
• 44:04
  is that you know that they're gonna most of them
• 44:07
  they're gonna grow out of this and you have to
• 44:10
  be understanding that again you can't you know
• 44:13
  you gotta let them know whether you're not your
• 44:15
  friend There has to be a level of respect there,
• 44:19
  but they have to know that you care about them
• 44:21
  and all that. And I think eventually the light
• 44:24
  turns on for these kids. Maybe when they're 13,
• 44:27
  the light turns on. Maybe not until they're 23.
• 44:30
  But you just keep trying to plant those seeds
• 44:32
  and be positive. Yeah, I think that's a great
• 44:35
  point. It kind of plays into the next quote that
• 44:38
  I have, which is from Gary Chapman. He wrote
• 44:40
  The Five Love Languages, which a lot of people
• 44:42
  know. It's pretty popular, right? And one of
• 44:44
  the things he said is, our most basic emotional
• 44:47
  need is not to fall in love, but to be genuinely
• 44:51
  loved by another. To know a love that grows out
• 44:53
  of reason and choice, not instinct. I need to
• 44:56
  be loved by someone who chooses to love me, who
• 44:58
  sees in me something worth loving. And I think
• 45:02
  that's a role that a teacher, that a coach, that
• 45:06
  a mentor can really help to play a role they
• 45:10
  can play in a child's life, especially for somebody
• 45:13
  who maybe doesn't have the ideal family situation,
• 45:16
  to know that they are loved and that this person
• 45:21
  is choosing to love them, even if they're a handful,
• 45:24
  even if they're pretty tough, they're pretty
• 45:27
  hard, that we still do. And that can make such
• 45:30
  a difference in somebody, even if it's not manifest
• 45:32
  at the beginning. My dad is a teacher. He's had
• 45:35
  similar experiences where he's had old students
• 45:38
  recognize him and stop him and talk about the
• 45:41
  influence they had. And sometimes it's kind of
• 45:43
  like, I have no idea how that kid turned out.
• 45:45
  Right? Like, well, I'm glad they did. Didn't
• 45:47
  realize that what I did stuck with him. And he
• 45:49
  mostly taught fifth and sixth grade. And it's
• 45:51
  like, wait, I taught him in fifth grade and that
• 45:53
  stuck with him? And he's now 30 years old telling
• 45:55
  me this? Like, there's such a great influence
• 45:58
  that we can have if we'll take the time. To recognize
• 46:01
  it, be patient, be curious, and to love them.
• 46:04
  Yeah. And it's funny because your dad was probably
• 46:05
  like – probably doesn't remember saying it, but
• 46:07
  he's probably thinking, yeah, it sounds like
• 46:09
  something I probably would have said. And so
• 46:12
  that's really cool. And I still think those little
• 46:15
  moments when you run into maybe a former student,
• 46:20
  it's what keeps you going as an educator. I truly
• 46:23
  believe that. And maybe you have some former
• 46:25
  clients that you still keep in contact with that
• 46:27
  say, hey, you've helped change our lives. Well,
• 46:30
  it goes back to wanting to be loved, being accepted.
• 46:33
  Well, now, we all have rough days. So maybe there's
• 46:37
  days like, you know, am I doing any good in this
• 46:39
  world? And then you get people telling you stuff
• 46:42
  like that. And you're like, you know what? Yeah,
• 46:44
  I'm doing the right thing, you know. And it's
• 46:45
  a part of being accepted. And it is a form of
• 46:47
  love. For sure. Yeah, because in anybody's job,
• 46:51
  in anybody's profession, there's hard days. There's
• 46:55
  times where there's really difficult situations.
• 46:57
  And having... those reminders that that will
• 47:00
  come up that we're doing something good beyond
• 47:04
  ourselves um is extremely meaningful and sometimes
• 47:08
  it is rare look i do divorce you know when people
• 47:12
  get divorced it's not like they're super excited
• 47:15
  most of the time right usually it's a pretty
• 47:17
  difficult emotional situation But we do have
• 47:20
  those occasions where we do have clients that
• 47:22
  are just really grateful because we stood by
• 47:24
  them. And we helped them navigate a really, really
• 47:27
  hard time. And it does. It really carries you
• 47:29
  through. It carries you through the hard days
• 47:30
  when somebody expresses that gratitude. I remember
• 47:33
  we had done an adoption for somebody. So a little
• 47:37
  bit happier event, right, than a divorce. But
• 47:40
  we'd done the adoption. It went super smooth,
• 47:42
  right? Seemed like, you know. hundreds of other
• 47:44
  adoptions that i've done we try to treat everybody
• 47:46
  great um they were just a super sweet couple
• 47:48
  uh cute little kid that they adopted and the
• 47:53
  next week like they delivered to our office here
• 47:55
  one of those like fancy gourmet apple like caramel
• 47:59
  apples for everybody in the office like they
• 48:03
  pay us to help with an adoption and they come
• 48:06
  bring this to us and it just like brought so
• 48:08
  much like fun and gratitude to the whole office
• 48:10
  everybody kind of like oh my goodness We're doing
• 48:13
  something good. We're actually helping people,
• 48:15
  right? It's important to have those reminders.
• 48:17
  And I think it's also a good reminder for us
• 48:18
  that when somebody has an impact on us, to also
• 48:23
  then do something or say something to them. Let
• 48:26
  them know how they impacted us in a positive
• 48:29
  way. Show that gratitude. Yeah, that's got to
• 48:31
  be rewarding. I think that's cool that they did
• 48:32
  that. Plus who doesn't like a big giant, you
• 48:35
  know, chocolate covered. Oh, they were delicious
• 48:38
  too. Yeah. And the fact that they brought it
• 48:40
  for everyone, I mean, you can tell they were
• 48:41
  very grateful. That's awesome. Yeah. So one of
• 48:44
  the other quotes that I have here is from Esther
• 48:47
  Pearl. And she said, I think this just fits so
• 48:50
  beautifully what we're talking about here. The
• 48:52
  quality of our relationships determines the quality
• 48:54
  of our lives. And this is not exclusive to romantic
• 48:57
  partnerships. And so for you, when we're talking
• 49:02
  about relationships, we're talking about love.
• 49:04
  Tell me what that quote means to you. Is that
• 49:07
  overstating it or do you think that that really
• 49:09
  resonates? Do you think that's true? The quality
• 49:10
  of our relationships determines the quality of
• 49:12
  our lives. Oh, my gosh. Yes. Because you're not
• 49:16
  living your life just with the person that you're
• 49:18
  romantically involved with. In fact, right. You
• 49:21
  know, during the school year, I spend more waking
• 49:23
  hours with people without my wife, you know,
• 49:26
  than without the, you know, the romantic. person
• 49:30
  in my life yeah and so i better have you know
• 49:34
  high quality relationships with these people
• 49:35
  i'm interacting with every day because that's
• 49:38
  you know that's well like a job where you work
• 49:42
  it's not just what you do it's who you work with
• 49:45
  yeah you know um and i think We all have people
• 49:49
  that we might struggle working with, but we have
• 49:51
  to make it work. And sometimes you have to take
• 49:53
  somebody that you maybe have nothing in common
• 49:55
  with, but you have to work with. And you have
• 49:57
  to make it a quality relationship or at least
• 49:59
  a productive one from a working standpoint. But,
• 50:03
  I mean, there are people in my life that I have
• 50:07
  amazing, I feel like, you know, relationships
• 50:11
  that were of extreme quality. And obviously they
• 50:15
  weren't romantic. You need, it's a balance. I
• 50:19
  think if you have just one and not the other,
• 50:22
  then it's hard. I think that's kind of what she's
• 50:25
  alluding to, that you need both. You need both.
• 50:27
  Yeah. Because she's saying like, yeah, definitely
• 50:28
  romantic relationships certainly are part of
• 50:30
  this, right? That's going to help determine the
• 50:31
  quality. It's also other relationships too. Right.
• 50:35
  Right. And when you have quality relationships,
• 50:37
  your life is just better. Yeah. It's just better.
• 50:40
  Oh, yeah. And you learn so much. And I've learned.
• 50:44
  And sometimes in my relationship with my wife,
• 50:47
  the non -romantic parts that I've learned, I've
• 50:52
  been able to carry that over in relationships
• 50:54
  of just friends and vice versa. So again, that
• 50:58
  both relationships help the other. For sure.
• 51:01
  Yeah, they definitely do. So when we kind of
• 51:04
  come back to the film here, right? Yeah. Where,
• 51:07
  you know, they've gone on this journey of really
• 51:11
  Robert. Being able to like, Giselle breaks down
• 51:14
  his walls, right? Because he's so guarded. He's
• 51:17
  so guarded. He's so jaded. He's a divorce attorney.
• 51:20
  He's been divorced. She just doesn't have hope
• 51:22
  for happily ever after, what it means. And just
• 51:24
  slowly over time, he's starting to see that love
• 51:27
  that she shows to everybody else so freely. I
• 51:30
  think that's one of the most beautiful things
• 51:31
  about it is that she just loves everybody. She's
• 51:33
  so kind to everybody, whoever she runs into.
• 51:36
  And that really starts to rub off on him. And
• 51:39
  he starts to see that there's something more
• 51:41
  there. And so towards the end, she's she's just
• 51:45
  bitten this poison apple. Right. And she's seemingly
• 51:49
  kind of dying in his arms. Right. That's kind
• 51:52
  of where we're at in this in this film. And he
• 51:56
  suddenly in this moment of like his walls are
• 51:59
  finally dropping and he's finally starting to
• 52:01
  realize what Giselle means to him. Like despair.
• 52:04
  And then he says, please don't leave me. Yeah.
• 52:06
  You know, and you just feel it in that moment.
• 52:08
  Yeah. Of like, OK. he's finally he finally gets
• 52:12
  it he finally gets who she is and and what that
• 52:16
  love means right and you kind of see the the
• 52:19
  story kind of come full arc there as finally
• 52:23
  his walls are down finally he's admitting like
• 52:25
  what what how she's changed him um and it wasn't
• 52:30
  like an easy moment for him to get there right
• 52:32
  it was actually a really hard thing for him to
• 52:34
  get there how do we sometimes hold ourselves
• 52:37
  back from embracing these relationships that
• 52:41
  we could have in our lives embracing love embracing
• 52:43
  um you know the influence other people can have
• 52:46
  on us if we'll just like let our walls down what
• 52:50
  what why do we sometimes hold ourselves back
• 52:52
  from that that's interesting i just had this
• 52:54
  conversation yesterday with a co -worker along
• 52:56
  these lines um and he said to me he goes sean
• 52:59
  he goes you he goes i don't mean this in a negative
• 53:01
  way but you're much more initially trusting of
• 53:05
  people than i am and You know, is it through
• 53:11
  just life experiences? I don't know. You know,
• 53:14
  why we are the way we are. And maybe a good psychologist
• 53:17
  could break that down, a therapist or something.
• 53:20
  But I think it's just a lot of it has to do with
• 53:23
  trust. Yeah. And experience. We kind of alluded
• 53:27
  to that earlier. I did feel for him, though,
• 53:30
  like when he says, don't leave me, it's like
• 53:33
  he finally, like he said, he showed that sign
• 53:35
  of, I understand you now. I get you now. Oh,
• 53:38
  my gosh, am I too late? Yeah. And so I think
• 53:42
  that's where they kind of grip your heart in
• 53:43
  the movie. But I think it has to do with trust.
• 53:46
  I think we put up a wall. And I've noticed, in
• 53:52
  my opinion, this is my own personal experience,
• 53:55
  but I feel like bigger cities, there's more of
• 53:59
  these walls. Sure. I go to Knoxville, Tennessee,
• 54:03
  where my biological father. moved back to and
• 54:06
  we did have a relationship you know he passed
• 54:08
  away unexpectedly in a boating accident but when
• 54:12
  I went back to I'd go back to Knoxville Tennessee
• 54:14
  and I could be filling up gas in my car and start
• 54:18
  talking and tell my life story to someone there
• 54:20
  and I don't know if it's you know just smaller
• 54:24
  town people tend to trust each other more but
• 54:26
  the trust you put up these walls because you
• 54:30
  don't want to get hurt Burn because maybe you
• 54:32
  put yourself out there. And that may be the other
• 54:35
  thing. Maybe he he'd put himself out there a
• 54:37
  lot and got burned. And so that's right. Yeah,
• 54:40
  I think that's right. You know, we it's definitely
• 54:41
  fear. Right. It's fear that we're going to put
• 54:45
  ourselves out there and be rejected. Right. It's
• 54:47
  fear that we'll be hurt. And this fear just holds
• 54:50
  us back, holds us back from more quality connection,
• 54:54
  more quality relationships. And then I think
• 54:56
  increasingly, too, what we see is is. As technology
• 54:59
  becomes more and more prominent, it's creating
• 55:02
  more and more disconnection. It's easier for
• 55:04
  many people just to open their phone and start
• 55:07
  scrolling rather than keeping it in their pocket
• 55:10
  and having a conversation. Because it's not easy
• 55:13
  sometimes, right? To just like strike up a conversation,
• 55:16
  especially if you're out of practice, especially
• 55:17
  if you don't do it very often. I think a lot
• 55:20
  of times too for kids, it's hard. We were in
• 55:23
  this discussion the other day at a family dinner
• 55:26
  on Sunday night that in the school district that
• 55:29
  my kids are in, really it's in the entire state
• 55:32
  of Utah, but they have this new policy. You know
• 55:35
  about it, I'm sure more than anybody, about not
• 55:36
  having your cell phones. Bell to bell, right?
• 55:38
  From the beginning bell to the end bell that
• 55:40
  you can't have your cell phone, you can't have
• 55:43
  it open at all. Like it's got to stay put away
• 55:45
  the entire day. And there are many kids that
• 55:48
  are freaking out about it. And yet one of the
• 55:52
  things that I think we're all kind of hoping
• 55:54
  happens. I think that the legislature when they
• 55:56
  put into place is hoping happens. I think many
• 55:58
  parents are hoping happens is that we start to
• 56:00
  see more of kids connecting, right? Because there's
• 56:05
  been so much more disconnection because of phones,
• 56:07
  because of electronics, but creating more connection
• 56:10
  because you can't just revert your phone. You
• 56:12
  actually have to talk to somebody. Yeah. I don't
• 56:15
  remember where I got the phrase. Somebody coined
• 56:17
  the phrase disconnect to connect. Which I think
• 56:21
  is so true. Yeah. You talk about in the classroom,
• 56:24
  you know, if somebody's on their phone, we even
• 56:27
  said this a lot of times in basketball practice,
• 56:30
  you know, be where your feet are. You know, I
• 56:32
  mean, you can be standing there or sitting there
• 56:34
  and, you know, you're enthralled, you're deep
• 56:37
  into whatever's on your phone. And sometimes...
• 56:42
  In fact, we do, we call it, you know, there's
• 56:46
  a thing called speed dating. Yeah. Well, we called
• 56:48
  it speed friendshiping. And I stole that lesson
• 56:52
  from somebody else. But we try to do it near
• 56:54
  the beginning of a class. We did it even with
• 56:57
  our basketball team for team building stuff.
• 56:59
  But you basically, I would ask, I'd have a topic
• 57:02
  and I'd say, you know, if you had a million dollars,
• 57:05
  you know, what would you do? And they would be
• 57:07
  sitting across from someone and you have. Ones
• 57:12
  and the twos. I'd say ones, you got 45 seconds.
• 57:14
  Share that response to the twos. And then the
• 57:17
  twos would go. And then I'd have the ones stay.
• 57:19
  And then the twos would all shift and rotate
• 57:21
  to the next seat. So now there's a new person
• 57:23
  in front of them. New prompt. When you grow up,
• 57:28
  what are some careers you could see yourself
• 57:30
  pursuing? Whatever. But I mean, and when the
• 57:33
  lesson was presented to me. I was like, Robert,
• 57:37
  I'm like, this sounds so lame. I can't get these
• 57:42
  kids to talk in class. It's always the same four
• 57:44
  or five kids responding. And I feel like it's
• 57:46
  me and four or five kids with 40 others listening.
• 57:49
  But every time I've done that activity, they
• 57:52
  love it. And they get to talk and they get to
• 57:56
  just share what's on their mind. So it's in all
• 57:59
  of them. Like you said, technology has made us
• 58:03
  lock into our phones. I can't imagine what it's
• 58:05
  like. I'm sorry for being long -winded on this
• 58:07
  answer, but I can't imagine what it's like. I'm
• 58:11
  59. Cell phones have been in our lives for 20
• 58:13
  years. And yeah, I'm on my phone more than I
• 58:16
  should be. But these kids, it's all they know.
• 58:21
  And like I said, their brains are still developing.
• 58:24
  And maybe they go home and maybe they're just
• 58:25
  on their phones all day when they're at home.
• 58:27
  So it's got to be even more of a challenge for
• 58:30
  them. break free out of that but yeah that lesson
• 58:33
  did it surprised me the teacher you know it's
• 58:36
  interesting um there there's some real support
• 58:39
  for that with some studies so um allison brooks
• 58:44
  wrote a book called talk and she did a ted talk
• 58:47
  on it and I think she's a Stanford professor,
• 58:51
  I want to say. Hopefully it's Stanford. It might
• 58:53
  be Harvard. I can't remember which one. It's
• 58:55
  one of those. They're both good, right? It's
• 58:56
  one of the Ivy League schools. And in her book,
• 59:00
  she talks about an experiment that is so similar
• 59:03
  to what you just said. It's with adults, but
• 59:04
  the idea is in her talk acronym, the first...
• 59:08
  the first letter is t and it's for topic and
• 59:11
  moving topics that a lot of times in the art
• 59:13
  of having a conversation people don't understand
• 59:15
  like just move topics like have a topic and then
• 59:17
  move topics yeah and so when they would do this
• 59:19
  kind of like idea of speed dating with friendships
• 59:23
  relationships actually was like with her with
• 59:25
  her students that she would do it and then they
• 59:27
  did experiments with other just regular people
• 59:28
  it was like giving them assigned topics and having
• 59:31
  them move topics actually they love doing it
• 59:33
  yeah like random things too it didn't have to
• 59:35
  be anything like earth shattering they were talking
• 59:37
  about but just like being comfortable like oh
• 59:39
  i have a topic i can talk about it yeah and then
• 59:41
  they did and they connected yeah it's like wow
• 59:43
  yeah it's so amazing put down your phone and
• 59:45
  we can actually talk yeah it's It's refreshing,
• 59:48
  you know, and we keep talking about it and we
• 59:50
  need to do it more at home. We keep saying how
• 59:52
  we're going to put our phones down and just having
• 59:54
  this conversation, you know, and with my wife
• 59:56
  being here, I'm sure maybe this is a good thing.
• 59:58
  So I appreciate that. But, you know, it's just,
• 1:00:01
  yeah, I just think technology is. There's some
• 1:00:05
  positive things and there's some things that
• 1:00:07
  aren't so good. And that's one of the drawbacks,
• 1:00:10
  I think. Yeah. I think what we just have to continue
• 1:00:13
  to do is much like ourselves can grow. We have
• 1:00:16
  to learn to grow with what technology is to use
• 1:00:18
  it for the good things and then to try to make
• 1:00:21
  sure we're filtering it out for the things that
• 1:00:23
  aren't so good. Because like you said, technology
• 1:00:25
  can do some great things for us. It can really
• 1:00:27
  help us do a lot of things we could never do
• 1:00:28
  before. Now it's finding the balance, right?
• 1:00:30
  Finding, okay, how are we going to grow together
• 1:00:32
  with this technology? Right. How are we going
• 1:00:33
  to have it? Yeah. really helping us and not like
• 1:00:36
  hurting us. It's a great point. One of the things
• 1:00:40
  we'll do is, so we always like to do a couple
• 1:00:42
  of fun segments. I want to run you through real
• 1:00:44
  quick. One's called this or that. Okay. And so
• 1:00:46
  you're just going to tell me which one you think.
• 1:00:47
  Okay. And if it's controversial, I will call
• 1:00:50
  you out on it and I will tell you. No, I'm just
• 1:00:52
  kidding. No, I love transparency. You can be
• 1:00:54
  transparent with me. And then after that, we'll
• 1:00:55
  do a rapid fire, which is first thing that comes
• 1:00:58
  to your mind. And then what we'll do at the end
• 1:01:01
  is we'll circle back to this idea of relationships.
• 1:01:04
  and see what your actionable takeaways are that
• 1:01:08
  you would recommend that somebody could put into
• 1:01:09
  effect in their lives today or this week to start
• 1:01:12
  building stronger relationships or um helping
• 1:01:16
  show more love or receive more love from those
• 1:01:18
  in their lives okay so ready for this or that
• 1:01:20
  i'm ready okay here it goes okay this first one's
• 1:01:23
  going to be more related to the film okay to
• 1:01:24
  enchanted okay central park picnic or fairy tale
• 1:01:29
  ballroom dance Central Park Picnic. Yeah, we're
• 1:01:34
  going to go there too, right? You know my reason
• 1:01:35
  though? Tell me. When she runs around and saying,
• 1:01:39
  how do you know that she loves you? And she's
• 1:01:42
  going up to different people and Robert's trying
• 1:01:45
  so hard to... not, you know, come on, let's go.
• 1:01:48
  We got to be here. I just love that whole scene.
• 1:01:50
  I love Central Park in the daytime. In the daytime.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah. The nighttime I've heard in the nighttime,
• 1:01:55
  maybe not as safe, but I love Central Park. My
• 1:01:59
  wife and I have been to New York City a few times
• 1:02:01
  and we love doing e -bikes around the park. I've
• 1:02:04
  run around it a few times. Like Central Park's
• 1:02:06
  a good time. Definitely, definitely during daylight
• 1:02:08
  though. Okay. Here's, here we're going to go
• 1:02:10
  with some kind of sports themed. Okay. I like
• 1:02:13
  that. Man to man or zone defense? Man to man.
• 1:02:16
  You man -to -man guy. Lots of trapping, but man
• 1:02:19
  -to -man. Yeah. Yeah. How about a triangle in
• 1:02:22
  two? You ever pulled that out? We did. We did.
• 1:02:26
  This was years ago. I like to mix it up, though.
• 1:02:29
  Okay. Obviously, like if a team calls timeout,
• 1:02:32
  I'll go into a zone in the next possession. So
• 1:02:34
  it screws up the play that he just called timeout
• 1:02:36
  for. My old high school basketball coach used
• 1:02:38
  to say if we had done a zone defense back in…
• 1:02:45
  in the war, we'd still be a British colony. So
• 1:02:48
  that was his thing. So he was all about man -to
• 1:02:49
  -man. It's all about man -to -man. It's all about
• 1:02:51
  man -to -man. So I'm a man -to -man guy, yeah.
• 1:02:54
  See, I grew up... I was born in 82, so grew up
• 1:02:58
  mostly in the 90s. And we were huge Utah fans,
• 1:03:01
  huge Utah fans. Yeah, Majerus. Rick Majerus Day.
• 1:03:03
  Yes. And I remember him deploying the triangle
• 1:03:06
  in two against Arizona in March Madness. And
• 1:03:09
  I had never really heard of it before. I heard
• 1:03:12
  of Boxing One, like everybody had. And it worked
• 1:03:14
  so brilliantly. It was like, oh my gosh, this
• 1:03:17
  guy's a genius. I love that. I do like the triangle.
• 1:03:19
  Okay, buzzer beater or a blowout win? Oh, buzzer
• 1:03:23
  beater. You've got to love those, right? When
• 1:03:25
  you're on the winning side. That's true. If you're
• 1:03:28
  on the losing side, oh, so heartbreaking. I've
• 1:03:30
  been on those a few times. I always said I'd
• 1:03:31
  rather learn more from a one -point win than
• 1:03:33
  a one -point loss. But there's always something
• 1:03:36
  to gain from even blowouts on both sides. That's
• 1:03:40
  why we love March Madness. That's exactly right.
• 1:03:42
  I mean, I always tell everybody March Madness
• 1:03:45
  for me, that's my Super Bowl. Now, I love the
• 1:03:47
  Super Bowl, right? Like, it's so fun. I love
• 1:03:49
  football. It's three weeks long. But if I get
• 1:03:51
  one event, one sporting event in the year, it's
• 1:03:54
  March Madness. And for me, it's actually like
• 1:03:57
  the first two days as well. Yes. Like, I want
• 1:03:59
  to have all the games on. Like, I want to have
• 1:04:02
  them all up. I want to watch it the whole day.
• 1:04:03
  I always take those first two days off of work.
• 1:04:05
  And I'm just like soaking it in, watching buzzer
• 1:04:08
  beaters, watching Cinderella. Yeah. Like that
• 1:04:11
  is the best. I'm with you. I've incorporated
• 1:04:13
  my classes into it, you know, where I would just
• 1:04:15
  let them draw out of a hat and then their team
• 1:04:18
  won, you know, you get them Chick -fil -A. Oh,
• 1:04:20
  yeah. And then you have kids who aren't even
• 1:04:21
  interested in basketball wanting to watch it,
• 1:04:23
  you know. Oh, yeah. And I could always apply.
• 1:04:26
  Find March Madness. I could make it a health
• 1:04:28
  topic somehow. For sure. You totally can. You
• 1:04:30
  can find a way to apply everything, right? I
• 1:04:32
  love March Madness. We love it. Okay. How about
• 1:04:34
  this? Pre -game pep talk or halftime adjustment
• 1:04:37
  pep talk? Halftime adjustment. Okay. The main
• 1:04:41
  reason why is because pregame pep talk, if it's
• 1:04:44
  a team you've never played before, you're just
• 1:04:46
  basing it off film. Yeah. And it's them against
• 1:04:48
  another team. But you really, you know, I want
• 1:04:52
  to be able to assess on that team and the counters
• 1:04:57
  and the decisions. You counter their counter
• 1:05:00
  and things like that. What's taking place in
• 1:05:01
  that first half and the adjustments you make.
• 1:05:03
  That's the key. And plus, I feel like. Me personally,
• 1:05:07
  I felt like I was a better coach at halftime
• 1:05:10
  adjustments than I was pregame over the years
• 1:05:12
  because I felt like it was more, it's right there.
• 1:05:17
  This just happened. Maybe somebody's in foul
• 1:05:20
  trouble, so you can go out there. Maybe you can
• 1:05:22
  go in at someone more, but you can make those
• 1:05:24
  adjustments. Whereas there's still a lot of unknowns.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah. watching film and pregame. So I'm a half
• 1:05:30
  -time adjustment. I love that. Half -time adjustments
• 1:05:31
  are great. Okay. We're going to go to a little
• 1:05:34
  bit of Disney stuff here for a second. Okay.
• 1:05:36
  Rope drop or fireworks at the end of the night?
• 1:05:42
  That's a tough one. Especially for you with your
• 1:05:45
  rope drop stories. I mean, this is tough. I'm
• 1:05:48
  going to say rope drop because I remember as
• 1:05:51
  a kid when the fireworks would go off, there
• 1:05:54
  was this excitement, but there was also this
• 1:05:55
  part of me like... It's over. It's over. The
• 1:05:59
  night's over and you don't want it to end. So
• 1:06:01
  there's a little bit of melancholy in there.
• 1:06:02
  So you're just like, yeah, where's rope drop?
• 1:06:04
  It's all. Let's go, baby. Total excitement. Yeah.
• 1:06:07
  Like so pumped for the day. Yeah. I'm going with
• 1:06:09
  rope drop. I love that one. Okay. Matterhorn,
• 1:06:12
  which you've got some ties to, or the steam engine
• 1:06:15
  train. Steam engine train. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:06:19
  it wasn't the first ride everybody wants to go
• 1:06:22
  to. It wasn't even the first ride I ever wanted.
• 1:06:24
  But if somebody said, you have one ride. You
• 1:06:27
  can only pick one and you'll never ride the other
• 1:06:29
  one again. What would it be? Without even second
• 1:06:32
  thought, steam engine. Yeah, I love that. Especially
• 1:06:35
  the part where you go through with the dinosaurs.
• 1:06:36
  Oh, yeah, of course. Of course, that's a great
• 1:06:39
  part. I mean, I always like the train too when
• 1:06:41
  it's like really hot out and I need a little
• 1:06:44
  bit of a break. Yeah. Yes. Let's just go on the
• 1:06:47
  train for a minute. Do you remember riding or
• 1:06:50
  reading up a ride called the People Mover? Oh,
• 1:06:53
  yeah, of course. So our big thing was we used
• 1:06:55
  to go to that place, I think it was the Astro
• 1:06:57
  Place or whatever, where that stage comes up
• 1:06:59
  out of the ground, you know, in Tomorrowland.
• 1:07:01
  Yeah. And we'd buy our, they were Astro Burgers.
• 1:07:03
  And we'd stuff them in our pockets and we'd go
• 1:07:07
  on the people mover. And we'd just ride out.
• 1:07:09
  And it's like you just said, we'd relax and we'd
• 1:07:11
  sit there. And we thought it was so cool, you
• 1:07:13
  know, eating our hamburgers, you know, and riding
• 1:07:15
  the people mover and all that. And I love that
• 1:07:18
  ride. That was a fun, just like take a load off
• 1:07:20
  a little bit. And there was never, it was one
• 1:07:23
  of those things where it's just that. conveyor
• 1:07:25
  belt just turning so there was never a line you
• 1:07:27
  just the ride slows down you hop in and you go
• 1:07:30
  you know that was a fun one yeah i i miss that
• 1:07:32
  being at disneyland they still have a disney
• 1:07:34
  world but i miss it being at disneyland i did
• 1:07:37
  i did enjoy that um okay churro or dole whip
• 1:07:41
  dole whip wait wait wait oh man dole whip dole
• 1:07:44
  whip look this is a tough one for me i i love
• 1:07:47
  the churros yeah but for me dole whip i've got
• 1:07:50
  to get the dole whip when i'm going to the tiki
• 1:07:51
  room You know, yes. Because when I do, it's like
• 1:07:54
  part of the experience. And there's something
• 1:07:55
  about the Tiki Room that to this day, I have
• 1:07:58
  to see it when I go there. And I love it every
• 1:08:00
  time. And that was so state of the art when I
• 1:08:03
  was a kid. I remember just like, how do they
• 1:08:05
  do that? Or the Lincoln thing. But I wonder,
• 1:08:10
  I'm sitting there thinking, I wonder if it'd
• 1:08:11
  be good if you took a churro and dipped it in
• 1:08:14
  a Dole Whip. Almost like dipping a Wendy fry
• 1:08:17
  into the frosting kind of situation. Okay. It
• 1:08:19
  would be worth at least one bite to try. Yeah,
• 1:08:21
  that might be worthwhile. The Disney Dole Whip
• 1:08:23
  is really good. Yeah, I do love it. Okay, Disneyland
• 1:08:27
  or California Adventure? Disneyland. Yeah. Do
• 1:08:30
  you like California Adventure or are you still
• 1:08:32
  just a Disneyland purist? You know what? There
• 1:08:34
  was a ride that we went on that I wasn't excited
• 1:08:36
  to go on. What was the one? Were you yours? You're
• 1:08:41
  soaring over things and they're throwing the
• 1:08:44
  scent out. You're smoking as you go. Soaring
• 1:08:46
  over California and then soaring over the world.
• 1:08:49
  And then recently they just updated it for the
• 1:08:53
  semi -sequentennial, whatever it is, for soaring
• 1:08:56
  over America. Oh. Yeah. See, and I love that.
• 1:08:59
  I mean, great rides. There's some great rides
• 1:09:01
  there, but there's just so much sentimental.
• 1:09:04
  There's so many things. I mean, we haven't talked
• 1:09:06
  about Tom Sawyer's Island. Oh, great. As a kid,
• 1:09:09
  I loved and just, I think every, I just, Disneyland,
• 1:09:13
  easily. I really enjoy the rides they have at
• 1:09:17
  California Adventure. There will always be a
• 1:09:19
  nostalgia for Disneyland. Yeah. That is, that
• 1:09:21
  can't be replaced. Like, I've gone to Disney
• 1:09:23
  World a few times. It's fantastic. I really enjoy.
• 1:09:27
  When given the choice stuff, I had to. It's Disneyland
• 1:09:29
  every time for me because of the nostalgia for
• 1:09:31
  me, right? Growing up going there, what it means
• 1:09:33
  to me, the things that are there. Well, and like
• 1:09:35
  if you – if your kids hadn't been to Disneyland
• 1:09:38
  before, I think you said you have one that's
• 1:09:40
  four, do you say? Six. She's six years old. If
• 1:09:45
  she'd never been there before and you were only
• 1:09:47
  allowed to take her to one park, I mean that's
• 1:09:49
  kind of how I was looking at it also. It's like
• 1:09:51
  – There's so many things I want them to see at
• 1:09:54
  Disneyland. Oh, yeah. Great things at the other
• 1:09:55
  one, too, but I want them to experience and see
• 1:09:58
  what I saw. And there's so many more things at
• 1:10:01
  Disneyland for young kids, too, right? In Fantasyland,
• 1:10:05
  there are so many rides they can go on there,
• 1:10:07
  right? You've got the Carousel. You've got Dumbo.
• 1:10:09
  You've got Snow White. You've got Alice in Wonderland.
• 1:10:12
  Peter Pan. Oh, that is such a great ride. To
• 1:10:15
  this day, it's such a great ride. Come on, everybody.
• 1:10:17
  Here we go. You know, and there's so many things
• 1:10:20
  stuck in my head. I don't know if you knew this
• 1:10:22
  or not. And I just found this out not too long
• 1:10:24
  ago. And I even Googled it, so it's got to be
• 1:10:27
  right. But the name Wendy originated from the
• 1:10:31
  book and Peter Pan. I did not know that. And
• 1:10:35
  I looked it up and if you ever get some time,
• 1:10:38
  look into it, but find something different. But
• 1:10:41
  that's what they say. It originated Wendy. It
• 1:10:44
  was Wendy was like short for Gwendolyn or something
• 1:10:46
  like that. But the name Wendy was first used
• 1:10:48
  in Peter Pan. Wow. I did not know that. Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  There you go. Yeah. Fantastic. I didn't believe
• 1:10:53
  it. I Googled it and I'm like, man. You're like,
• 1:10:55
  well, I guess it's true. Yeah. It might be true.
• 1:10:57
  Yeah. It might be true. It might be true. Okay.
• 1:11:00
  Here's our last this or that. Fantasyland or
• 1:11:02
  Tomorrowland? I don't know. That's a tough one.
• 1:11:10
  I intentionally made it hard. Yeah, that's a
• 1:11:12
  tough one. Okay. Basically, I'm saying Matterhorn
• 1:11:20
  or Pirates of the Caribbean. Is that what we're
• 1:11:24
  saying? No, that's Frontierland. That's Frontierland.
• 1:11:28
  Adventureland, it kind of is. I'm going to go
• 1:11:30
  Tomorrowland. Because you like Space Mountain,
• 1:11:33
  right? I like Space Mountain and Matterhorn.
• 1:11:37
  And when it first came out, I loved Star Tours.
• 1:11:41
  And that's right there at the beginning. And
• 1:11:43
  PeopleMover was there as well. It was? Yeah.
• 1:11:45
  So I'll go to Marlin. And back in the day, this
• 1:11:51
  was never unheard of, but you would go in these
• 1:11:54
  rooms and you could put money in. It's like a
• 1:11:56
  pay phone. But it was... You didn't have to use
• 1:12:00
  a phone. You could just talk. So you could call
• 1:12:02
  people. And it's no big deal now. It's just using
• 1:12:04
  speakerphone with our phones. But it was unheard
• 1:12:07
  of back in the day. So I remember we'd always
• 1:12:09
  go over there and we'd call home and say, hey,
• 1:12:10
  mom, dad, I'm at Disneyland. But you're just
• 1:12:12
  sitting in this room talking to them and hearing
• 1:12:13
  their voice. It's so fun. And now it's like not
• 1:12:16
  a big deal. But back then it was huge. Yeah.
• 1:12:18
  Yeah. Totally different experience back then.
• 1:12:20
  Yeah. Okay. Here's our rapid fire segment. Okay.
• 1:12:23
  So just first thing that comes to your mind.
• 1:12:24
  Okay. Don't take it too serious. Okay. You ready?
• 1:12:27
  Here we go. Favorite Disney movie? Peter Pan.
• 1:12:30
  So good. Favorite Disney song? Boy, you caught
• 1:12:36
  me off guard on that one. Can we come back to
• 1:12:37
  that one? We can. This is the one that usually
• 1:12:39
  gets people. I should have prepped you before
• 1:12:40
  because this is the one that people usually gets
• 1:12:42
  because there's so many Disney songs. It's hard
• 1:12:43
  to think about which one it is. I know. Okay.
• 1:12:46
  Jiminy Cricket, When You Wish Upon a Star. Oh,
• 1:12:47
  yes. To me, it's... Like, I think there's so
• 1:12:52
  many good ones. I think that that movies, it's
• 1:12:54
  okay. Like Pinocchio. It's good. Like, I like
• 1:12:57
  it. And I watched it with my kids and I like
• 1:12:58
  it, but there's something that that song did
• 1:13:01
  that transcended. And there's a reason why they
• 1:13:04
  play that so frequently. They do the firework
• 1:13:06
  show at the end. There's so it's, there's a reason
• 1:13:08
  why it's in so many of the, the beginning movies
• 1:13:12
  where they show the castle and the star across
• 1:13:14
  it, because that song. It's just unbelievable.
• 1:13:18
  That song alone makes that movie incredible,
• 1:13:21
  just makes things magical. And that song for
• 1:13:24
  me, I mean, just thinking about the lyrics, it
• 1:13:27
  gives you hope. To me, it's like your dreams
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  can come true. The lyrics are amazing. And who
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  doesn't love Jiminy Cricket? Oh, yeah, Jiminy
• 1:13:38
  Cricket's great. Such a good answer. No one's
• 1:13:40
  answered that way yet on this podcast, so I love
• 1:13:42
  that answer. Okay, favorite Disney princess?
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  I'm going to say Giselle because I love Enchanted
• 1:13:50
  so much. Okay, good. But there were some great
• 1:13:52
  ones, you know, but I'm going to say Giselle.
• 1:13:55
  Great answer. Favorite Disney hero? Actually,
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  so many movies. Okay. This is – I don't know
• 1:14:09
  if he was a hero in the movie, but like in Fantasia,
• 1:14:11
  I mean, I don't – Mickey Mouse, I mean, he's
• 1:14:13
  the star of it. Yeah. I love it. But I don't
• 1:14:16
  know if he's the hero, but – We're going to call
• 1:14:17
  him the hero. He can be the hero. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:14:19
  to me, I just – Mickey Mouse is Disneyland to
• 1:14:21
  me. When we watched the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
• 1:14:24
  with my granddaughter and they do roll call.
• 1:14:26
  Yeah. They do all that. But when she sees Mickey,
• 1:14:28
  that's when she smiles. Yeah. So there's something
• 1:14:31
  about Mickey. There is. He's – That's actually
• 1:14:34
  a great answer. No one's answered that way for
• 1:14:36
  it, but I absolutely agree. Mickey Mouse is a
• 1:14:39
  hero, and that's a great answer. He's Disneyland.
• 1:14:42
  He is. You know? He is. Favorite ride at Disneyland?
• 1:14:47
  Okay. You're probably not going to expect this
• 1:14:49
  answer because I'm so old school with my responses,
• 1:14:52
  but I loved Rise of the Resistance. It's so good.
• 1:14:55
  I thought it was so good. It was just something
• 1:14:58
  I hadn't experienced before. I love it. It's
• 1:15:00
  new, but... The ride, that really just, oh, man.
• 1:15:08
  The Haunted Mansion, I haven't memorized the
• 1:15:12
  whole part where you come in. Are these rooms
• 1:15:15
  actually stretching or is it just your imagination?
• 1:15:17
  I mean, that ride was so cool. Even when I go
• 1:15:21
  on, I feel so good. I think initially when I
• 1:15:25
  was a kid, Most fun I've ever had on a ride was
• 1:15:27
  probably Haunted Mansion. Pirates of the Caribbean
• 1:15:29
  was close second. But older now, like when we
• 1:15:33
  go, I'm like, I want to go on that Rise of the
• 1:15:34
  Resistance again. Probably because it's so new.
• 1:15:36
  Yeah. And I haven't been on it so many times.
• 1:15:38
  But it's also just so impressive. Yeah. You know,
• 1:15:41
  I remember first going on it and my comment at
• 1:15:43
  the time was, this is the greatest production
• 1:15:46
  of an attraction that's ever been created. Like
• 1:15:51
  the whole thing, right? Like you walk into that
• 1:15:53
  room and you see all the stormtroopers, the enormity
• 1:15:56
  of the room. And you're just like. You feel like
• 1:15:59
  you're on the desktop. You do. It felt exactly
• 1:16:01
  that way. They did such an amazing job creating
• 1:16:03
  that experience. That's a great ride. And like
• 1:16:06
  you mentioned, the trackless thing. Yeah. And
• 1:16:08
  I like the lightsaber going through the wall.
• 1:16:10
  Oh, yeah. Very. Yeah. They did a very nice job
• 1:16:12
  with that. Now, I do have to ask you with Haunted
• 1:16:14
  Mansion. Do you like the re -thing they do? with
• 1:16:18
  Nightmare Before Christmas. No, I'll tell you
• 1:16:20
  why. Oh, you don't? Well, here's the thing. Not
• 1:16:22
  that I don't like it. I do. No, no, no. It's
• 1:16:24
  not I don't like it. It's just every time we
• 1:16:27
  go, because it's newer technology, it always
• 1:16:29
  breaks down. Oh, yeah. In fact, the last time
• 1:16:33
  we were there was during Halloween, and we kept
• 1:16:36
  going to it. And sorry, folks, it broke down
• 1:16:39
  again. And so they finally told us it's newer
• 1:16:41
  technology on an old technology ride, so they
• 1:16:45
  always have problems. So that's why. It's not
• 1:16:48
  that I don't enjoy it. It's just that. If you
• 1:16:51
  can't go on it. It's always broken down. It's
• 1:16:53
  always broken. But yeah, I like it. But I prefer
• 1:16:58
  the old, the original one. Yeah, it's totally
• 1:17:00
  fair. Totally fair there. Okay. Favorite Peter
• 1:17:04
  Pan character? Because I know you like Peter
• 1:17:05
  Pan. Yeah. I mean, Peter Pan. Yeah. You know.
• 1:17:12
  I mean, Tinkerbell's pretty awesome, too. Tinkerbell's
• 1:17:15
  awesome. I really like Shmi. Oh, Shmi, okay.
• 1:17:18
  I love Shmi. I don't know what it is. I just
• 1:17:21
  think Shmi is just – I just laugh when Shmi's
• 1:17:23
  up there. It's just like a comic relief for me.
• 1:17:25
  And you know what's funny is that I love that
• 1:17:28
  you're asking these questions because I think
• 1:17:30
  we watch these movies and we always have a character
• 1:17:32
  that maybe we can relate to or something like
• 1:17:34
  that. But you love them all. Like Captain Hook,
• 1:17:37
  you know, he's the antagonist, but you love him,
• 1:17:40
  you know. And, you know, blast you, Pan. We used
• 1:17:43
  to always say that, you know. But his music is
• 1:17:45
  awesome, too. But I just, you know. peter pan
• 1:17:48
  was providing this magical place and did you
• 1:17:51
  did you ever watch hook yes with robin williams
• 1:17:53
  i love that movie yeah robin williams was amazing
• 1:17:56
  dustin hoffman was awesome that's right hook
• 1:17:59
  julia roberts was in it she was tinkerbell and
• 1:18:02
  she was terrific and you know who's in that too
• 1:18:04
  was gwyneth paltrow she plays wendy did she yeah
• 1:18:08
  i didn't realize that yeah and uh that was good
• 1:18:11
  robin williams did a great job yeah that was
• 1:18:13
  such a great show yeah that was good um Okay.
• 1:18:15
  Favorite Disney sports movie. Remember the Titans.
• 1:18:20
  I love that one. There's, you know, yeah. Remember
• 1:18:22
  the Titans. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's just
• 1:18:25
  a classic. Yeah. It's a great movie. Denzel was
• 1:18:27
  amazing in that. They were all amazing. Perfect.
• 1:18:29
  You know, a great movie. That's one thing that's
• 1:18:32
  about Disney. I love one of the many things,
• 1:18:33
  but they find the right actors. They cast really
• 1:18:37
  well. you know they cast the right people for
• 1:18:39
  some of these roles who you like yeah okay that
• 1:18:42
  was exceptional casting in that movie yeah uh
• 1:18:43
  from denzel washington uh playing the main coach
• 1:18:46
  the guy who played the other coach yeah the bb
• 1:18:48
  assistant coach he was terrific the the athletes
• 1:18:51
  that they had in there and the the back and forth
• 1:18:54
  that they had the way that they i mean you just
• 1:18:56
  felt you felt it and you felt the them honoring
• 1:19:00
  what actually happened in real life for that
• 1:19:03
  because it's based on true events like they did
• 1:19:05
  a really nice job with that and the young uh
• 1:19:07
  what's his name from the notebook I remember
• 1:19:10
  his name. Ryan Gosling. Ryan Gosling's in that.
• 1:19:12
  The young Ryan Gosling's in that. I remember
• 1:19:14
  him trying to dance in the locker room. But yeah,
• 1:19:17
  and you love all those characters, all those
• 1:19:20
  players. Yeah, for sure. Well, so as we kind
• 1:19:23
  of wrap up, what we always love to do, as I mentioned,
• 1:19:26
  is we like to get some actionable takeaways.
• 1:19:29
  What we believe in is trying to give people some
• 1:19:31
  real things that they could go put into effect
• 1:19:33
  and put into action in their life right now.
• 1:19:36
  And so if you were to say, like, what are three
• 1:19:38
  things that somebody could do? today or this
• 1:19:41
  week to build stronger relationships or to Have
• 1:19:47
  a little bit more love in their life or help
• 1:19:49
  break down their walls a little bit more like
• 1:19:52
  rubber did What would three things that you would
• 1:19:54
  give to somebody be? That's a tough question.
• 1:19:57
  Um, I Mean there was one that popped in my head
• 1:20:00
  right away Listen more talk less. Okay, when
• 1:20:03
  you're when you're trying to if you're If it's
• 1:20:06
  a new relationship or even if it's a current
• 1:20:07
  relationship, listen more. What's that saying?
• 1:20:11
  We have two ears and one mouth. Because that's
• 1:20:16
  part of what we talked about earlier is getting
• 1:20:18
  to know someone. The only way you can get to
• 1:20:21
  know someone is like we're both listening to
• 1:20:23
  each other and that's how we're getting to know
• 1:20:25
  each other. So I think that's one. I think another
• 1:20:29
  one is be more forgiving. That's something that
• 1:20:33
  I – I try to do, you know, like I said, nobody's
• 1:20:37
  perfect, but I need, you know, just to be more
• 1:20:41
  forgiving. And by the way, you know, you're asking
• 1:20:43
  my opinion. I don't claim to be an expert in
• 1:20:46
  any of these things, but just be more forgiving
• 1:20:49
  to people because, you know, we all, none of
• 1:20:52
  us are perfect, you know, and sometimes I think,
• 1:20:55
  you know, we put pressure on ourselves. You know,
• 1:20:58
  we're always trying to. be accepted, please people
• 1:21:01
  and all that. And if we're not forgiving of people,
• 1:21:04
  then people might not feel that acceptance that
• 1:21:06
  they want. But, you know, if we all live, and
• 1:21:10
  I'm sorry for this answer, it'll be a little
• 1:21:12
  longer, but, you know, there's some videos by
• 1:21:15
  Dove, Dove Soap. I don't know if you've seen
• 1:21:17
  some of them. They're amazing. But they do these
• 1:21:20
  – they use three different parts of the world.
• 1:21:22
  That way they said it wasn't just for the area.
• 1:21:24
  One was in America. One was in an Asian country.
• 1:21:26
  I forgot. But it says they had these doors walking
• 1:21:29
  into an office building, you know. And it says
• 1:21:32
  beautiful and average. And they just wanted to
• 1:21:37
  see what people would walk through at doors,
• 1:21:39
  you know. And then after they'd walked through
• 1:21:41
  them, they'd pull them to the side and they'd
• 1:21:42
  interview them and ask them, why did you pick
• 1:21:44
  that, you know. And it was amazing how – Many
• 1:21:49
  people just chose the average door. And you're
• 1:21:50
  looking at these people going, they look like
• 1:21:52
  they're confident. But on the inside, they're
• 1:21:55
  not. I don't know. Just being more accepting
• 1:21:57
  of people I think would be huge. And, well, for
• 1:22:06
  a relationship, I'm going to go back to what
• 1:22:10
  we said, the unconditional love. Just be unconditional
• 1:22:15
  love. i i love i think i mean i know it sounds
• 1:22:20
  a little bit what i said earlier but just be
• 1:22:22
  accepting be accepting of others you know and
• 1:22:25
  i think as we do that we can start to do what
• 1:22:26
  you suggested earlier which is understanding
• 1:22:29
  that our relationships we're all growing and
• 1:22:32
  becoming somebody different and embracing the
• 1:22:35
  fact that we are and growing together rather
• 1:22:37
  than apart when we are becoming somebody different
• 1:22:39
  and we can do that by By loving unconditionally,
• 1:22:42
  by being more accepting and forgiving of those.
• 1:22:46
  When we do make mistakes and we do things that
• 1:22:48
  are goofy and, you know, like I do stuff and
• 1:22:50
  I'm a bonehead all the time. And thankfully my
• 1:22:52
  wife's very forgiving, right? Because make those
• 1:22:54
  mistakes. But as we do that, then we can start
• 1:22:56
  to grow closer together. Well, and, you know,
• 1:22:58
  I feel like, and I talk about this with students,
• 1:23:00
  my life has become easier when I have less contention
• 1:23:07
  in my life. And I feel like I have less contention
• 1:23:09
  in my life. When I'm more kind and accepting
• 1:23:11
  and all those things, you know, when you just,
• 1:23:14
  it's so much easier to be kind than it is to
• 1:23:17
  nitpick or to judge others. Because a lot of
• 1:23:21
  that sometimes comes from our own insecurities.
• 1:23:24
  Right. But I think sometimes you just, you know,
• 1:23:27
  my last 20 years of my life has been a lot easier
• 1:23:29
  because I feel like I've tried, let go of all
• 1:23:32
  the, all that stuff. Sure. You know, the, the
• 1:23:35
  worldly stuff and just, just. Just enjoying the
• 1:23:38
  moment, you know, and just loving people and
• 1:23:41
  all that. And there's less stress in my life,
• 1:23:44
  you know, and I try to share that with others.
• 1:23:45
  I think back when I was in high school, I wasn't
• 1:23:47
  always the nicest kid and there was always contention
• 1:23:49
  in my life, you know, back then. And so, you
• 1:23:53
  know, it's just, just be kind and just life,
• 1:23:56
  life, a lot easier. I feel for sure. Well, thank
• 1:23:59
  you so much for being on with us today. Thanks
• 1:24:01
  for having me. Such a fun conversation to be
• 1:24:03
  able to learn about. You and your family heritage,
• 1:24:05
  learn how Disney, Disneyland, Disney movies have
• 1:24:09
  shaped and affected you, but also what you've
• 1:24:12
  been able to do for others because of that as
• 1:24:13
  you have helped raise a wonderful family, as
• 1:24:16
  you have had so much influence on students, on
• 1:24:19
  people that you've coached, and you continue
• 1:24:21
  to have that same influence. So what a pleasure
• 1:24:23
  speaking with you today. I appreciate it. Thanks
• 1:24:24
  for letting me share memories, especially my
• 1:24:26
  mom and papa. They were amazing. So I appreciate
• 1:24:29
  you letting me bring them back to life and share
• 1:24:31
  a little bit about them to people who didn't
• 1:24:33
  know them. As you leave this conversation, remember
• 1:24:37
  that yes, the past can hurt and you can either
• 1:24:40
  run from it or you can learn from it. So here's
• 1:24:43
  to learning and finding joy in the journey. See
• 1:24:47
  you real soon.