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The Morning Call - how the networks play the same stories different ways · Profits & Politics

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Good morning, folks.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the Morning Call Show.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Bob Sellers, former here at CNBC and at Fox News, where I worked with my esteemed colleague here, Jerry Burke.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Jerry.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, good morning, Bob.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Esteemed uh executive producer here who tries to keep Bob from getting in trouble with himself.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, as you used to say, um, I can see the future, Bob.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's one of my gifts.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: And let me save you from yourself.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but I can only I can only see six minutes into the future.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's my gift.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's until the next break, right?
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Until the next break.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um Bob, you texted me earlier.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: You were watching Fauci up on the hill earlier.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: What did you think?
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: Declaring the fifth.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: And uh first of all, I thought, how can you uh invoke the fifth amendment not to testify against yourself?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I was trying to do some research on that because I thought once you're pardoned for all crimes related to something, um you know, you have to testify.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: But from what I'm reading and understanding, is that doesn't mean you're the the the president, Biden, in this case, can pardon you, but that doesn't mean you're not exposed to something that may have happened since the pardon, or you may still be subject to state laws.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So okay, so let me ask you, you're the EP here.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um and how do you play this?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because what I'm I'm seeing on Capitol Hill, the Republicans are going after him, just making so they can get their soundbite in their local, you know, communities, they can get that soundbite uh of them holding Fauci accountable.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then on the left, they're talking about, you know, we need to keep this from happening ever again.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, how do you play this?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the I I start, um, I want to start gathering wool, and I'm gonna right after this, I'm gonna be watching MS Now.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Notice how they dropped the NVC from that.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's MS Now.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and then I and then like you like you just mentioned, I start using my handy little phone and I start collecting articles about it.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's amazing.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if I had the internet 20 years ago, I know I'd be unstoppable.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we know what yeah, we might have known what we were talking about.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: However, I will say sometimes the internet is wrong, but it sure uh, you know, it makes research easier, but you really have to be careful because uh I that old-fashioned term garbage in, garbage out.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're not looking at the right sources, if you're looking at the right things.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_00: But what I wanted to know from you, Jerry, I wanted you to put on your EP hat.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: You and I have both worked at conservative networks and worked at liberal, let's say in local markets, uh in my case.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And they go at it differently.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: For one thing, I think somebody did a study showed that uh Fox and Newsmax have mentioned Fauci like 400 some odd times in their news.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: And then if you go to MS Now and CNN, they've mentioned Fauci 11 times.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: And now those numbers may be off a little bit, but let's say you're in charge of a show.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_00: What are you gonna do to play up this Fauci thing today?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um the last resort of uh bad producers is to send a reporter out to the street and do what they call MOS, man on the street uh uh stuff.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: But really, uh at a network level, you're required to bring more to the table and you start booking guests like constitutional attorneys.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Most of the networks have reporters in Washington.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_01: So you send them out, you put a couple of clips in of Fauci talking, and then you you um you go to the guest, you know.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Is this possible?
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and then the guests, let's let's uh pull back the curtain a little bit, uh Jerry.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: You and I both know that guests are usually booked as part of a kabuki dance.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: We know what he or she is gonna say, pretty much, right?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: And you have them come on, you know he's gonna tend to be conservative, or this one's gonna uh gonna be liberal.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you want to if you get the liberal and you work for a conservative network, oh my! Well, you don't want to have them by themselves, so then you book somebody to counter them who happens to be conservative.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_00: Again, this is what people don't talk about, and I hope value that we might bring to people.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you to put on a different hat.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say you're at a liberal network today, let's say you're at MS Now.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_00: How how do you play this?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh at MS Now.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um I because I know you've worked for liberal outfits before, so it's it it may have been a while, but well okay, I have.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I can okay, so let me predict what will happen.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: They will pretty much use the soundbite of him invoking the fifth and try to show how it was just a show by uh Rand Paul and the conservatives to try to embarrass him.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_00: And that uh and then frankly, I think they move on and try to attack Trump somehow and get on to other stories.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they'll spend a lot of time on it.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree, but just just to let you know, I um went to uh apply for a job at MSNBC at the time, and I had I had six interviews in one day, and I wow, met HR, then I got through that, met a writer, a producer, and then a couple of EPs.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_01: I got all the way up to the senior vice president.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: She ran the newsroom.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we talked for 25 minutes, a half hour.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: It was great.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we shared war stories with each other, and then she goes, Mr.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: Burke, I just have one last question for you.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Okay.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've been open and honest the whole interview.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: She she said, she looked at me, she said, could you stomach working here?
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: She went with a preconceived notion of you.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Why would you say that?
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: The the material is basically the same stories.
• 6:53
  unknown: Right.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: She said, Well, no, it's not.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: We take a different angle or point of view.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I I just don't know if if you would want to put up with it.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: I said, Well, don't worry about me.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, at the time I had three kids and a wife and a big house, you know, right.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I really wanted this job.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've gone through the motion with uh uh, I think it was CNN.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: I had a friend working there, somebody you would know, and uh they recommended me to uh management.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so we we I had a couple interviews, and then it got back to me, uh, Jeff Sucker doesn't want you.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: And says it says they don't need any anchors.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought, well, they need some good anchors.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: So and that and I think that it was because he never having talked to me, doesn't know that I think both sides are wrong when they're at the extreme when they're at the extreme.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong, each side has arguments, uh but when you get extreme, that's when they lose it.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then let me uh tell people a story that happened to me when I first started working for Fox.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: I gone, I went over there from CNBC and knowing its politics, this was during the uh right uh before we were going into Iraq, so 9-11 had happened and all that.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I told the person in there who was uh one of the managers, I said, Um, you know, I I I'm conservative.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I'm pro-capitalism, uh, I believe in the American dream and all that, but I don't care socially what people do.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And um, I and I'm not a right-wing conservative.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: And and he said, Bob, look around this newsroom.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: There are what, 150, 200 people here?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Said, yeah.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: He said, Do you think there are that many right-wing conservatives in Manhattan?
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so the point being, Jerry, that this is a product that that gets put out on the cable networks from top down, there's a concept behind it.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes implemented this, and there was a method to the madness.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, I think you would agree.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think given the proclivities of the existing networks to just air the more liberal side, there was definitely a market for it.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: There was definitely a market.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not even saying he was wrong.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I and I gotta tell you, when I was at Fox, it was easy to be pro-America.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: After 9-11, I didn't feel like Fox was right-wing wackos.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I felt like we were doing a good job.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: And I have another story here this morning from MS Now, to your point.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: This is the story they pick for today.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, meanwhile, they didn't even bother to mention the three uh strikes on U.S.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: bases in the Middle East by Iran.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: They what they're doing, and this is the headline.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: It was way up to the top of the page.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_01: On questions about depleted munitions, Team Trump struggles to keep its story straight.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: How do you interpret that?
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm saying that trying to plant fear or to point to the fact that the administration is confused, can't get its story straight.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what does that indicate?
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I think uh the thing to remember as you look at these networks as they cover stories, they're going at them with a certain angle.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh, and there is a reason for it, because if you just go out and say, here are the facts, even though everybody says it, it's like Jerry, everybody says, I want to see more documentaries, but then you make a documentary and nobody watches it, right?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh maybe they do on Netflix.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: But uh when people say they just want uh fair news, they just want the facts, they're not gonna watch it.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: It has to have something compelling.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I think that's one of the reasons the networks exist kind of with an angle.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm hoping that we can show people what those angles are and how they go about it, because I do think there is a there between the two sides.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but when you say that, yeah, obviously they're going at it from a certain approach.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I and I think a lot of people, especially with the president that clearly doesn't have a lot of support for what he's doing in Iran.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, true.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: And also regard here's another AP story.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Investigators in the Comey Seashell case, remember that 8647?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_01: They uh investigators, this is the headline.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh case omitted key facts and distorted others.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: So investigators, which side is that uh prosecutors or is that yeah, I guess that's it's it's prosecutors and the defense is jumping to Comey's defense, obviously.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_01: The article spends more than it's a long article, yet it spends more than half its length attacking Trump prosecutors and defending Comey.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Look, if there were people inside the government going after Trump, that's one thing.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: But a guy seeing seashells and putting something out there, for first of all, I consider that part of free speech.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I I I could argue that that's a weaponization of uh the Justice Department.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, I I used to believe that, but you know, there's been a lot of instigating, you know, and I think if they hear from one of their idols 8647, what does that mean?
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a is that a direct order, you know?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, give me a break.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, come on, come on.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: 8647, give me a break.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody knows 86, just to throw it away, throw it out, you know?
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, what if you're it's not it's not an order to go take someone out.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean throw Trump out?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: What does that mean?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna storm the White House with pitchforks vote against him.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so you're you're reading into that what's being alleged, that that was like an order to do physical harm?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm seeing a lot of it.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'm seeing and it even it even uh uh belongs to January 6th, you know.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean they did take that him out of context.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: He went up in a peaceful, pro peaceful and orderly protest.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Make your opinions known, you know.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't go up with them.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think they kept him from doing it if you hear some of his people describe it.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think they knew it could get ugly and he didn't want to be, he shouldn't be associated with it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right in the middle of that, yeah.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, one last bias story, if you will.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is a woman in Holland, Michigan, a physician's assistant.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: She used to learn about politics from channels like ABC, CBS, and CNN.
• 14:03
  unknown: Right.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: But that changed as she decided the coverage of the war in Gaza was irreparably biased.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she said, I started going to Instagram to get my news.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, how old is that person?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: Does it say?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're a Gen Zier, um, that's probably where you're getting news.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why it's important uh to get some decent stuff out there, uh, including what we're doing here, Jerry.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we can help some of these people uh pull back the curtains on some of what's going on, because even if they get it from Instagram, it's gonna be slanted, most likely, right?
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah um uh hmm.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Surprisingly, I I saw a lot of uh headlines today about how the socialist democrats are uh really um meddling or changing even the infrastructure of the Democratic Party.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: This is this might hurt them in the midterms.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, I've mentioned that I think Mamdani is a gift to the Republicans uh in New York, the mayor there, being a socialist at best, and uh maybe beyond that to be a communist, and um a lot of people taking offense, and this is something we can talk about as it approaches, but 9-11 is gonna be a tricky situation, uh not only for the people there, uh, but for the networks to cover.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: And um, should the mayor be there or should someone who has uh expressed some hostility um toward uh well I'm gonna leave that conversation.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: I I want to choose my words carefully and not misrepresent.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's a story we're gonna have to cover.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but you know, back to getting the news when when that woman says that she looked at Gaza differently, I gotta tell you, I get that because what Netanyahu has led into Gaza has turned a lot of people against Netanyahu and uh Israel, and consequently against some Democrats and Republicans who support Israel.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a live wire when it comes to as a political situation, uh what has happened in Gaza.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're seeing stories saying that that's not right, um you and I are old enough to remember, hey, do you know why Israel exists?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: It exists because they needed somewhere to survive, where you know, after World War II and the the attempt to liquidate, you know, for the ethnic cleansing.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: And you and I remember that part.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: But others come along and they look at Israel almost as one of the developed nations that had everything and now they're picking on the Palestinian people, and including in Gaza.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: So uh it's a way more complicated topic than I'm gonna address in a few senses.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, when somebody's looking for news, you know, they can go to Instagram.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something that I have?
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh today the Fed meets.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I that was gonna be my next question.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, the Fed meets with uh the uh the newly um installed uh Fed chief.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think this is his second meeting, but some people think they'll raise rates because there's inflation.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think they will, I think they'll stick where they are, but it'll be interesting to see what he says after the meeting.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: But here's something that got my attention, Jerry.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't I'm not I haven't seen anybody else talking about this, but there is an effort by Wars, Kevin Wars, the new uh Fed chief.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um and wait a minute, did I get that right?
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and he wants to change the way the PCE is represented.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I don't want to put people to sleep here, but the Fed looks at inflation.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: If inflation gets too carried away, the Fed can raise interest rates to slow it down.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't believe me, ask anybody that lived through Paul Volcker when he was around in the late 70s, early 80s.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: It can slow down the economy, it'll get rid of inflation, but it might get rid of your job.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: So that part works.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_00: But what he wants to do is he wants to change some of how the PCE is represented and take out food and energy.
• 18:42
  unknown: Okay.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: What is the PCE?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, uh personal consumption uh index, uh um it expenditures, personal consumption expenditures, it's a way of looking at what is inflation.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: You might hear the CPI, which is the consumer price index, is a little more consumer related, but let's throw all of those in there.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Let's make it simple.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you look at all of the above as inflation, the talk is if you include in the headline number, which is what you and I go out there.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the Fed said over the past year it's been three and a half percent, and that's way above the two percent target.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: But if you take out food and energy, if energy is coming down, it's like, oh, it's only 2.8 percent, or it's only 3%.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's not as bad as we thought.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_00: The problem I have with that, Jerry, is it plays into the argument that the president might want, and a lot of those who support the president want it to look like there's not that much inflation.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's my point.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: They want to make it look like there's not that much inflation.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you take out food, groceries have been going up, take out energy, gas prices are going up, and then you come out with a lower number.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: So people are not as upset.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't like that direction myself.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, what kind of guest would we get?
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I think tomorrow we can talk to somebody about it.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna have our first guest tomorrow.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that's right.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Carol Ryan, um uh who who wrote uh You Shall Own Nothing, uh, a noted uh economist, and uh she's gonna join us.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I'll bring this up and ask her what she thinks, and we'll see what the Fed does and get her thoughts on it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, who else would you think about?
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um Thane Rosenbaum.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or Stephen Moore.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he he's like, you want to guess that's like a Swiss Army knife?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: That's like what we call.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, any story breaks, you call up the Swiss Army knife.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_01: Get down here, get down here.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: What is it?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Don't worry about it.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Just get get down here.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't know if you have anything else, but I did have something that I wanted to uh it's kind of a kicker, but it's serious also.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I've got nothing.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm out of bullets.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Then we'll end it with this.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm watching this um Senate hearing with Fauci, and somebody situated herself behind Fauci.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: Laura Ingram is behind Fauci.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So in you can see her.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now I've been in those hearing rooms, you know.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen, and it takes a little bit of effort and maybe knowing somebody uh to get positioned at a certain spot.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Your timing has to be right and your connections have to be right.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't think that was a coincidence.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's great.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Good good for Laura.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it was another it was another journalist that was was actually insulting her in the diaries.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Fauci's well, journalists insulting journalists, how unusual.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's uh that's a you know what's worse established habit.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh yeah, especially executive producers, how they go at the anchors.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've I've been thrown under the bus more than once.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: I I don't even want to know the kinds of things that you say behind closed doors to your other ego.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: But you and I'm good.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's never good.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's the end of today.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: So if only there were a way to end the show.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: And chasing news.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta and breaking news.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: Breaking news changes everything.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: We will go with that.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, Jerry.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: All right, hi.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'll call you.