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BODY BAGS WITH JOSEPH SCOTT MORGAN | Au Pair Love Triangle Murder Trial: What Does The Forensic Evidence Show? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body times. But Joseph's gotten more. You know. I got
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Speaker 1: to tell you, I don't necessarily run in the circles
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Speaker 1: of rich folks. I never have. I don't come from
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Speaker 1: a bunch of wealth or anything like that. My family's been,
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Speaker 1: you know, on the North American continent, I guess, since
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Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. But whoever was in charge of acquiring wealth
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Speaker 1: in my family, they failed miserably, so none of that
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Speaker 1: was ever passed on to me. I've certainly never been
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Speaker 1: around folks that can afford to have a I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you know, with them stay at home nannies or they
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Speaker 1: call them an a pair, you know, to watch after
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Speaker 1: the young folks, take care of the babies for you.
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Speaker 1: Never understood that. I don't know. I guess. I guess
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Speaker 1: people have the ability to do that. My family never
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Speaker 1: did that. Plus, I love taking care of my own youngness.
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Speaker 1: Love taking care of my grandbabies too. I don't want
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Speaker 1: to hand them off somebody. But that's just me. But
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Speaker 1: you know, there's a case that has been going on
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Speaker 1: for some time, and I've had a lot of you
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Speaker 1: guys ask me about my opinion regarding regarding this case.
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Speaker 1: In the I R SI agent who's now on trial
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Speaker 1: for his life because of the forensics here, because the
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Speaker 1: forensics are so odd in this case, and this case
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Speaker 1: involves many things that we talk about, you know, in
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Speaker 1: the forensic world, specifically crumbing, staging, you know, which is
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Speaker 1: a discipline all in of itself. So today on Bodybacks,
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Speaker 1: as the case up in up in Virginia is going
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Speaker 1: on right now of this man who Brendan Banfield, who
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Speaker 1: fact is an I R. S Agent, he's on trial
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Speaker 1: for his life. Let's dig into this a little bit.
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Speaker 1: And it's peak my curiosity, that is for sure. So
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Speaker 1: without further ado, guess what. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and
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Speaker 1: this is Bodybacks. Brother, Dave, I don't know about you.
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Speaker 1: I never had folks take care of my of my
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Speaker 1: youngins for me, I mean, family, you know, would watch
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Speaker 1: them periodically, but it was it was me and Kimmy.
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Speaker 1: I've never really understood these folks that, you know, sign
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Speaker 1: up to take care of other peoples. It's one thing
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Speaker 1: to clean up the mess of your own kids, but
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Speaker 1: to clean up the mess of somebody else's kids, it's
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Speaker 1: just it's it's something different for me, and it's something
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Speaker 1: I can't identify with it. But if you have enough money,
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Speaker 1: you know you could, you know you can afford to
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Speaker 1: do that.
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Speaker 2: Well, here's what we've got.
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Speaker 3: Friends, We actually have an ir S Special agent that
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Speaker 3: means he carries a gun, Brendan Banfield. We have the
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Speaker 3: all pair for Brendan and his wife Christine, who is
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Speaker 3: Juliana Perez Magales at time twenty three years old. Christine
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Speaker 3: Banfield is thirty seven, by the way. And then we
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Speaker 3: got a guy, a guy named Joseph Ryan. He is
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Speaker 3: not connected to this before the event takes place, really,
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Speaker 3: and what happens is on the morning where we are
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Speaker 3: now almost three years removed from when this happened.
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Speaker 1: God is it been three years?
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Speaker 3: February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three, police are called to
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Speaker 3: the Banfield home for a stabbing and a shooting around
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Speaker 3: eight o'clock in the morning. Give or take, I say,
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Speaker 3: give or take. We'll get into vent a little bit.
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Speaker 3: There were actually there was more than one call made.
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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be honest with you. When there's more
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Speaker 3: than one nine one one call made from a residence
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Speaker 3: and you've got dead bodies, somebody didn't have their story straight.
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking, yeah, it's one thing.
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Speaker 1: Hey, look I got to I can I just make
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Speaker 1: a point here. It's one thing, And I'm glad you
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Speaker 1: brought this up, because you know, it's one thing if
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Speaker 1: you're working a case and you've got multiple ear witnesses
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Speaker 1: or you've got multiple eyewitnesses to say something takes place
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Speaker 1: in front of a home in view of everyone, or
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Speaker 1: something of running gun battles going down the street, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: you might get multiple nine to one one calls you know,
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Speaker 1: that are coming in from all these different locations. As
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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, we could go back and talk
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Speaker 1: about you know, the surgeon the surgeon case up in Ohio.
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Speaker 1: Remember how the nine one one operator acted, you know
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Speaker 1: when they call that thing in and they had multiple
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Speaker 1: people that the dentist.
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Speaker 3: Murdy where there were so many family members and coworkers
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Speaker 3: and friends that didn't couldn't get them on the phone.
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Speaker 3: So they went to the house and they're calling nine
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Speaker 3: to one one and the nine one one operators talked
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Speaker 3: to somebody from there. Cops have already been out there,
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Speaker 3: leave us basically, leave us alone. But that's not the
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Speaker 3: case here. Well we have here is we've got a house,
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Speaker 3: we got a domestic scene where you have a wife
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Speaker 3: and a husband and their four year old daughter and
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Speaker 3: they're all pair. Now, the all pair was taking the
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Speaker 3: four year old somewhere that day, the zoo or whatever
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Speaker 3: in a.
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Speaker 1: Planet ruin the National Zoo man.
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Speaker 3: A planned day trip. And again, Maga Lees is not
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Speaker 3: from the United States of America. She's in her early
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Speaker 3: twenties and she's here as an all pair. Now inside
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Speaker 3: the home, what police find are two bodies and they're
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Speaker 3: killed differently too. One is shot and the other is stabbed.
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Speaker 3: But here's a story that they were told. Okay, which
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Speaker 3: Joe every now and again when a story is told
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Speaker 3: and it doesn't make sense, you know, and you're thinking,
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Speaker 3: you're smart enough to be an IRS agent carrying a
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Speaker 3: gun and a badge, And this is what you came
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Speaker 3: up with. Where are you spending your time, not in
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Speaker 3: a library, not watching crime shows? You thought this up
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Speaker 3: talking to a twenty year old girl, I guess, because
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Speaker 3: it doesn't. This is not the plan of an adult.
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Speaker 3: They so they get the police get there and they
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Speaker 3: find Christine Banfield, the wife of Brendan. She's nude and
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Speaker 3: she's stabbed multiple times in an upstairs bedroom nearby, they
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Speaker 3: find a man named Joseph Ryan and he is shot
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Speaker 3: multiple times. Inside the house at the time of the shooting,
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Speaker 3: Brendan Banfield along with the family's all pair Julianna Marga Lees,
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Speaker 3: and the Banfield's four year old daughter. Okay, that's how
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Speaker 3: many people you got in the house at the same time.
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Speaker 3: Five people, two are dead. So who did the stabbing,
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Speaker 3: who did the shooting? That's what Joseph Scott Morgan has
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Speaker 3: to be able to tell us, because Joe, they didn't
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Speaker 3: walk out of there in handcuffs with anybody at first.
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Speaker 2: It took time.
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Speaker 3: This happened again February twenty fourth, twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me address one more thing too.
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Speaker 1: In this particular case, you got an IRS agent, specially agent,
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Speaker 1: and they are living and look granted, I know, okay,
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Speaker 1: So if you're in federal service and I might be
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Speaker 1: stepping way outside of my you know of my Baileywick here.
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Speaker 1: But if you live in a specific area and you're
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Speaker 1: working for the FEDS and they have assigned you there,
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Speaker 1: they will provide you with specific funds to kind of
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Speaker 1: balance out, to kind of balance out, you know, the
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Speaker 1: downside of being a government employee so that you can live,
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Speaker 1: you know, in a particular location. But dude, this house
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Speaker 1: they're living in is worth a million bucks. Now, I
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Speaker 1: don't know about you. I got a lot of friends
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Speaker 1: in law enforcement colleagues. I've got people i've taught, I've
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Speaker 1: got a lot of former students that are federal agents
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Speaker 1: now literally all over the world. They're working in embassies.
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Speaker 1: I got guys that are are FBI agents that that
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Speaker 1: work abroad and all over the country. And to a person,
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Speaker 1: I don't know of any of them, particularly those that
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Speaker 1: are still in the field, maybe those that have retired
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Speaker 1: and have developed, you know, security companies and that sort
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Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know of any of them that
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Speaker 1: hold a million dollar crib man, because you know, and
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Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm sitting here and when I
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Speaker 1: heard that number, I was shocked by it because I
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Speaker 1: don't know what the actual salary scale is, but you know,
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Speaker 1: it just seemed that that part of it in and
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Speaker 1: of itself, I'm thinking, man, how can you afford this? Now?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. Maybe he's a great investor,
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Speaker 1: maybe they're family money or something like that, but not
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Speaker 1: only do you have do you have a million dollar home,
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Speaker 1: You've got an a pair, you know, that's that's that's
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Speaker 1: something that you know, you're thinking that somebody that lives
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Speaker 1: in Manhattan, you know, near Central Park, or you know
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Speaker 1: somebody that's up in I don't know, in Rhode Island
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Speaker 1: along the coast, or you know, up in Connecticut along
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Speaker 1: because they've got all pairs but Virginia and you're an
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Speaker 1: IRS special agent a million bucks. It just it, I
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Speaker 1: don't know the whole thing. To me, it was just
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Speaker 1: it was shocking. And again maybe I'm just chasing rabbits,
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Speaker 1: but it just it seemed a bit off to me.
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Speaker 3: Well, when you get down to the nitty gritty here
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Speaker 3: and Joe, I know that because of the scene that
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Speaker 3: the the death investigator is going to have to really
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Speaker 3: work hard to put together where the bodies were, you know,
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Speaker 3: what actually transpired, based on the forensics, what happened. Because
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Speaker 3: what we have, I can give you the overall story
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Speaker 3: of what the defense is pulling together, but that's something
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Speaker 3: that has to be decided based on the forensics. Show
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Speaker 3: and we're not talking just the blood evidence or just
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Speaker 3: the gun residue or the knife fingerprints on the knife.
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Speaker 3: We're actually going to talk a little bit about the
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Speaker 3: forensic digital evidence, yes, because that comes into play as well.
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Speaker 3: And during the time that this case was being investigated,
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Speaker 3: we covered the story right when it happened. I remember
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Speaker 3: covering it because you had, again the all pair involved
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Speaker 3: in a story with and you got the pretty girl
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Speaker 3: watching the four year old, you got the thirty eight
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Speaker 3: year old wife. But one of the things Joe that
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Speaker 3: came out of this was very quickly after the death
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Speaker 3: of his wife. Of when Brendan Banfield's wife is dead,
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Speaker 3: the all pair moves into the master bedroom and hanks
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Speaker 3: her clothes in the closet of Brendan Manfield's dead wife.
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Speaker 3: The all pair takes the position that the wife had
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Speaker 3: been in. That happened very quickly, and we're talking two
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Speaker 3: or three months after the deaths occurred. So the story
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Speaker 3: that they tried to sell to the police was that
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Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan was on a fetish website and that Missus Banfield,
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Speaker 3: Christine Banfield, was also on this fetish website. And on
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Speaker 3: this fetish website she said she wanted to be raped violently.
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Speaker 3: And I'm sure these types of websites exist. I don't
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Speaker 3: know that for a fact, I'm telling you that right up.
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Speaker 3: I do not know that for a fact. I've never
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Speaker 3: eyeballed one. I've never been on one. I just know
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Speaker 3: that we've covered stories and they're there. So Joseph Ryan,
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Speaker 3: thirty nine years old, answers the fetish website, I'll come
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Speaker 3: and do that.
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Speaker 2: I will be there to rape you. What time and where?
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Speaker 3: And so Joseph Ryan shows up to commit this violent
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Speaker 3: rape against Christine Banfield. And at that time that morning,
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Speaker 3: the pair was supposed to be with the four year
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Speaker 3: old head to the zoo. And I'm guessing that Brandan
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Speaker 3: Maanfield was supposed to be honest way to work.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that's the way it went down. And
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Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to get people to buy into
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Speaker 1: this idea that this is something that that the wife,
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Speaker 1: Christine had planned, and because you know, you talk about
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Speaker 1: something that's I mean, we're talking about going down a
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Speaker 1: really really dark path here. Brother. You know, an individual,
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Speaker 1: a mama that is I don't you know, say what
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Speaker 1: you will about me. I don't put anything past dudes
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Speaker 1: when it comes to sexual interest or proclivities. And but
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a mother that's living in suburban
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Speaker 1: Virginia like this, and you're trying to sell me on
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Speaker 1: the idea that she wants this stranger to come in
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Speaker 1: into her home and into I don't know, I guess
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Speaker 1: the marriage bedroom and though it's you know, it's I
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Speaker 1: don't know, role playing, I guess she's asking to be raped,
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Speaker 1: and Dave, not just raped, but this idea of violence
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Speaker 1: comes into it. And for me, I think that as
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Speaker 1: an investigator, you know, when when the investigators would you know,
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Speaker 1: begin to try to wrap their brain around this and
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Speaker 1: they're looking at the life that these people lead. You know,
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Speaker 1: we talk a lot in this world that we're in, Dave,
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Speaker 1: about victim blaming, don't we You know you hear that
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Speaker 1: a lot and the old adage that the you know
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Speaker 1: that the dead can't speak up from himself, and you're right,
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Speaker 1: how how do you first off, how do you disprove it?
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Speaker 1: As an investigator? How do you prove it? Because either
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Speaker 1: way you got to do it, and they would have
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Speaker 1: spent a tremendous amount of time, uh trying to understand
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Speaker 1: did she did she have a background in this kind
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Speaker 1: of fetishized world? You know that people you know that
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Speaker 1: people in twelve and listen I've worked cases. I've worked
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Speaker 1: cases at I had one guy I know, in particular
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I'll go and tell a story of he
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Speaker 1: would go to He would go to what they used
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Speaker 1: to call lingerie shops in Atlanta. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: they still exist, and and he would wear and this
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Speaker 1: guy in particular, he was wearing And the reason I
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Speaker 1: know why he was wearing this is because I found
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Speaker 1: out about it when I went to examine his body
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Speaker 1: at the hospital. He was wearing his wife's underwear when
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Speaker 1: he rolled in in cardiac arrests from one of these
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Speaker 1: lingerie shops. And the lingerie shop is not really they'll
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Speaker 1: sell you lingerie, but you're interacting with the model inside
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Speaker 1: of the lingerie shop and they put on a show
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Speaker 1: quote unquote air quotes here for you to model the
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Speaker 1: underwear that you can purchase.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you have an address in Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: No, And I would not give it, I hope, because
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Speaker 1: I had more than one death that came out of
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Speaker 1: this place, and that's kind of a fetishized thing. But
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Speaker 1: you know, when we examined him at the because interestingly enough,
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Speaker 1: I had the in anytime an emergency room, charging her
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Speaker 1: tells you, and she knew me by name because I'd
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Speaker 1: worked a lot of cases and that had wound up
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Speaker 1: at this particular emergency room. She says, this is probably
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Speaker 1: going to be a natural death, but you need to
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Speaker 1: come here and see this. And I'm thinking I got
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Speaker 1: other stuff to do, but she's telling if an eer nurse,
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Speaker 1: a charged nurse tells you to do that. So I
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Speaker 1: go to the emergency room and she takes me back
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Speaker 1: into the exam room where this guy has died and
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Speaker 1: he's purple. From the Nippo line up, you can tell
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Speaker 1: he's in congested failure. But she said, come over here,
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Speaker 1: look at this, and she pulls back the sheet and
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Speaker 1: sure enough, he is wearing what turned out to be
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Speaker 1: two pair of his wife's underwear panties, if you will,
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Speaker 1: And then she pulls them back right, pulls them back
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Speaker 1: and down beneath his equipment. You could see two white
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Speaker 1: strings hanging out of his rear end. And he had taken,
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Speaker 1: let me see, how can I put this politely? Two
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Speaker 1: of his wives in products and inserted them and I'll
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Speaker 1: never forget. We went back and this girl that he
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Speaker 1: was in the room with at the lingerie shop said
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Speaker 1: he was doing his thing. I was taking my clothes off,
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Speaker 1: and he was, you know, stimulating himself, and he suddenly
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Speaker 1: turned purple and started vomiting and he had heart attack
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Speaker 1: right there. And she was Russian. I'll never forget that.
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Speaker 1: And you know, through broken English, you know she's telling
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Speaker 1: she's terrified, you know, because she thinks that the cops
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Speaker 1: are going to arrest he or whatever.
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Speaker 2: Said Russian. I thought, you miss she was hurrying.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, no, no, no, she was not rushing. She
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Speaker 1: was Russian. And so yeah, it runs a gamut. I
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Speaker 1: could tell you stories right now about people that I've
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Speaker 1: worked cases where people were involved in fetishism that have
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Speaker 1: in fact died in the midst and some of these
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Speaker 1: things dave turned very very violent. I've worked cases where
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Speaker 1: people have been strangled many times and the intent was
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Speaker 1: not there to bring about death. And this goes back
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Speaker 1: to this level of violence. We've got a suburban housewife
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Speaker 1: who I don't want to say housewife, but certainly a
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Speaker 1: suburban mother and wife who is signing up for a
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Speaker 1: fetish website where she's asked to be violently raped by
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Speaker 1: somebody because she's living out a fantasy. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, call me old fashioned, but I got to
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Speaker 1: tell you, but from an investigative standpoint, this scene stunk
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Speaker 1: to high heaven. As an investigator, when you walk onto
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Speaker 1: a scene, there are some things that are very benign,
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Speaker 1: and you have to be very careful with that because
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Speaker 1: sometimes the benign things are the ones that actually trip
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Speaker 1: you up. But there are those times when you walk
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Speaker 1: onto a scene and there has been a blood bath
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Speaker 1: that has occurred there, you know that you've entered into
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Speaker 1: another level as an investigator, that it's going to make
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Speaker 1: this very complicated as far as trying to piece everything together.
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Speaker 1: And Dave, I would imagine that in this environment when
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Speaker 1: investigators walked into that room, they actually began to appreciate
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Speaker 1: that they had a lot of blood evidence. You know
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Speaker 1: that there has been gunplay involved. And I think another
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Speaker 1: thing also, and you and I have talked about this extensively,
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Speaker 1: sharp force injury is involved here, and so that even
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Speaker 1: makes it more complex, particularly when you're at a scene.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm talking about being back at the Morgue, but
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Speaker 1: when you're at a scene and you're trying to do
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Speaker 1: an injury assessment, because blood begins to crust, it will
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Speaker 1: crust and it will. It will actually hide injuries that
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Speaker 1: you can't that you can't appreciate. And here's the one
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Speaker 1: thing that you cannot do. It a scene involving really bloody.
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Speaker 1: You don't go grab a rag. You don't grab a rag,
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Speaker 1: you don't bring out a sponge, you don't clean the
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Speaker 1: body there. You make note of what you can see there,
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Speaker 1: and then hopefully, hopefully, when you get them back to
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Speaker 1: the mork and you begin to clean up after the
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Speaker 1: photographic documentation, things will you know, come to light. But
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Speaker 1: there was so much blood here that it would have
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Speaker 1: been really really hard to completely interpret things to its
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Speaker 1: fullest extent.
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Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you about that, because when when
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Speaker 3: you have a scene that is like this, that is
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Speaker 3: a mess, and do do you listen to police? Do
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Speaker 3: they come and say, hey, this is what they're telling
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Speaker 3: us happened. Or do you come in blindfolded and say
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Speaker 3: everybody quiet, let me let me see what I see
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Speaker 3: and then all your stories.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's uh. There's this kind of bleedover that
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Speaker 1: takes place no pun intended. And when I say bleed over,
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Speaker 1: I mean this is something that that we in my
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Speaker 1: field have to have to work through because when you
21:22
Speaker 1: arrive as a medical legal death investigator, and to a
21:25
Speaker 1: certain extent as a homicide detective, you will have had
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Speaker 1: e mts. You will have had first responding police officers
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Speaker 1: that are there and they are saying, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of blood. Uh, these people are really banged up, really bad.
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Speaker 1: And so that's that's kind of influencing. That's kind of
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Speaker 1: influencing what your perspective on a case is, and you
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Speaker 1: have to be very careful. Uh. You know, I think
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Speaker 1: that a lot of it circles back to what I'd
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Speaker 1: said about Tom Nogucci, you know, a year or so ago,
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Speaker 1: when I first talked about him looking at the ceiling
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Speaker 1: in cases, and yeah, it's my preference has always been,
22:04
Speaker 1: please don't talk to me. And I'm not rude to anybody,
22:07
Speaker 1: but please don't talk to me. Just let me know
22:09
Speaker 1: that there's dead bodies in the room. Let me make
22:11
Speaker 1: my own assessment, because at that point in time, my
22:14
Speaker 1: mind is still kind of in a pristine state where
22:17
Speaker 1: it's unaffected by whatever kind of static is coming in.
22:21
Speaker 1: It might be valid stuff that they're trying to tell me. Now,
22:24
Speaker 1: if there's wappings about there, loaded and I'm in danger, yeah,
22:27
Speaker 1: I want to know that if there's a dog in
22:28
Speaker 1: the house that might bite me. Yeah, I want to
22:30
Speaker 1: know that. But I just want to know the basics
22:34
Speaker 1: so that I'm not colored anyway when I'm going to
22:37
Speaker 1: do an examination.
22:38
Speaker 3: Okay, Now in this case, you have to wonder how
22:45
Speaker 3: did it end up where You've got Joseph Bryan in
22:49
Speaker 3: the house and Brendan Banfield gone to work. All pair
22:58
Speaker 3: off with the four year old to the zoo, but
23:00
Speaker 3: they all ended up back in the house. Here's what
23:03
Speaker 3: happened according to the initial story told by the all Pair.
23:10
Speaker 3: Because I do want you to know something. Brendan Bamfield
23:13
Speaker 3: did not talk to police. I don't know what that
23:16
Speaker 3: means to anybody. I know what it means to me,
23:19
Speaker 3: But Brendan Manfield did not talk to police. They had
23:21
Speaker 3: to put this together based on what they were getting
23:23
Speaker 3: from Juliana Perez Magalise the all Pair. Now what happened
23:30
Speaker 3: is Banfield is on his way to work, Magalese has
23:33
Speaker 3: their four year old and is headed the Banfield's four
23:36
Speaker 3: year old daughter heading to the zoo, and she says
23:39
Speaker 3: Magalese said she saw Joseph Ryan, thirty nine years old,
23:44
Speaker 3: going into the home. Now, Christine Banfield is supposedly at
23:49
Speaker 3: the home by herself, and when Magales sees this man
23:53
Speaker 3: going into the home instead of driving to the zoo
23:57
Speaker 3: with the child, she calls Brendan Banfield, the irs agent,
24:01
Speaker 3: with a gun and a badge and says, hey, I
24:03
Speaker 3: just saw a guy go in your home, and so
24:06
Speaker 3: Bramfield goes back to the house. Margales comes back to
24:10
Speaker 3: the home with the four year old and that's why
24:13
Speaker 3: they were all at the house at the same time.
24:16
Speaker 3: Part one, Part two. Banfield says to Margalise, you take
24:21
Speaker 3: the little girl over there, put her, you know, get
24:23
Speaker 3: her away from all this. Now upstairs in the bedroom,
24:27
Speaker 3: you've got Christine Banfield and you've got Joseph Ryan. According
24:31
Speaker 3: to the story that is told is that Christine Banfield
24:37
Speaker 3: was being stabbed in the neck by Joseph Ryan, so
24:42
Speaker 3: gun in a badge. Brendan Bamfield shoots him and begins
24:48
Speaker 3: to try to help his wife, but there's too much blood.
24:51
Speaker 3: He's compressing it and doing this and that Margalse comes
24:55
Speaker 3: up after hearing the gunshot, and she then shoots Ryan
24:59
Speaker 3: because he's not dead. So there's two gunshot wounds to
25:04
Speaker 3: Joseph Ryan. Now he's dead. The nine one one call.
25:09
Speaker 3: I want to go very carefully here because it's important.
25:12
Speaker 3: There are two nine one one calls made from the house.
25:16
Speaker 3: The first one is a seven forty five am, but
25:18
Speaker 3: quickly disconnected. Think about this for a minute.
25:23
Speaker 1: You have.
25:25
Speaker 3: A man who's been shot dead, a woman who's been
25:29
Speaker 3: stabbed and is bleeding, and you call nine one one
25:32
Speaker 3: and hang up. What it's fifteen minutes later before they
25:38
Speaker 3: get another nine one one called Joe, and that's the
25:42
Speaker 3: one that was made by Magalise. The all pair after
25:48
Speaker 3: that call connected with nine one one. She gave the
25:50
Speaker 3: phone to a man, Brendan Banfield, who tells police, tells
25:54
Speaker 3: nine one one brother, He tells nine one one he
25:56
Speaker 3: shot a man who was stabbing his wife. That's the
26:00
Speaker 3: story we got from Brendan Banfield. I say we because
26:03
Speaker 3: he didn't talk to police. Police arrive on the scene.
26:06
Speaker 3: They find Joseph Nathan Ryan, thirty nine years old, dead
26:09
Speaker 3: from a gunshot wound. They find Christine Banfield thirty seven
26:13
Speaker 3: stab wounds. She is transported to the hospital alive, but
26:17
Speaker 3: she dies once she gets there. Brendan Banfield, Christine's husband,
26:22
Speaker 3: refuses to talk to police. He does talk to a
26:28
Speaker 3: I'm guessing a doctor at the hospital who is telling
26:31
Speaker 3: him his wife passed, you know, and it was caught
26:34
Speaker 3: on or overheard by police, but basically saying, you know,
26:41
Speaker 3: he knew how much blood had been gone. You know,
26:43
Speaker 3: it was obviously she wasn't going to survive this attack.
26:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that there was even a conversation that
26:49
Speaker 1: took place where, you know that the doctor talked about
26:53
Speaker 1: that this was unsurvivable. You know that that these these
26:59
Speaker 1: injuries were so egregious where you're going to have multiple
27:04
Speaker 1: defects in the body. You know, one gunshot wound or
27:08
Speaker 1: one stab wound is one thing, you know, And for
27:11
Speaker 1: those of you that have ever been through any kind
27:13
Speaker 1: of first aid class and you've got people that are bleeding,
27:18
Speaker 1: what's the thing that they teach you, Well, you're going
27:21
Speaker 1: to apply direct pressure, right, and with so much internal
27:25
Speaker 1: damage And remember when I say internal damage, if you've
27:29
Speaker 1: got multiple gunshot woes, you've got a stab woon, you've
27:34
Speaker 1: got multiple tracks that are running through the body, Dave.
27:38
Speaker 1: And so for every one of those tracks, you're clipping
27:42
Speaker 1: all manner. And I'm not even talking about organ damage here.
27:45
Speaker 1: I'm just merely right now, just talking about talking about
27:49
Speaker 1: the vessels, You've got multiple vessels that are that are
27:54
Speaker 1: compromised and literally ripped to shreds and destroyed. And so
28:00
Speaker 1: when you walk through it and you begin to understand
28:04
Speaker 1: you're not an octopus. You know, you don't have enough
28:07
Speaker 1: hands to place on top of all to do compression
28:11
Speaker 1: or to apply pressure rather, and then you've got the
28:15
Speaker 1: added the added piece to this where you know, if
28:21
Speaker 1: she if they rolled her to the hospital, I'd be
28:23
Speaker 1: very interested to know did she have like some kind
28:27
Speaker 1: of faint pulse agonal respirations. My suspicion is probably no,
28:33
Speaker 1: but she was probably pretty warm to the touch. She
28:37
Speaker 1: may not have died immediately, but she's slipping off into
28:41
Speaker 1: the slipping off into the darkness. So they rolled her
28:44
Speaker 1: from there. And you know, this is another thing too
28:47
Speaker 1: that I know that you and I have discussed extensively.
28:51
Speaker 1: If you have an individual that is removed from scene,
28:56
Speaker 1: and look, they have to remove them from scene, right
28:58
Speaker 1: because this is a life saving measure. But when you
29:02
Speaker 1: have an individual that is removed from the scene, suddenly
29:05
Speaker 1: your context is gone as an investigator. There is not
29:08
Speaker 1: a body or you're absent at least one body in
29:10
Speaker 1: this case to examine and kind of contextualize the scene,
29:14
Speaker 1: because one of the things that we look at is relationship.
29:17
Speaker 1: And we're talking about Remember we're going back to violent rape,
29:20
Speaker 1: remember right, So we're talking about proximity of bodies. We're
29:25
Speaker 1: also talking about evidence of potentially some type of sexual assault,
29:31
Speaker 1: because that's what's being implied, right that, you know, that's
29:34
Speaker 1: the heart of this thing. And all of a sudden,
29:39
Speaker 1: from an evidentiary standpoint, things ain't ain't the way that
29:43
Speaker 1: they were initially. They weren't pristine in that pristine state,
29:46
Speaker 1: so that when the investigators arrive after the fact, they've
29:50
Speaker 1: got a lot of questions. And here's one other thing
29:53
Speaker 1: that I wanted to bring, you know, kind of bring
29:55
Speaker 1: into frame. Here. You've a fellow and we've talked, we've
30:02
Speaker 1: we've talked a lot about, or have mentioned at least
30:05
Speaker 1: a couple of times, that he is a gun totor.
30:08
Speaker 1: And when you have a gun totor, you can have
30:10
Speaker 1: an agent say, for instance, it works for one of
30:13
Speaker 1: these three letter agencies. And when I say that, folks
30:16
Speaker 1: might not know this, but did you know that almost
30:19
Speaker 1: every single federal agency out there has some kind of
30:22
Speaker 1: law enforcement wing. And there's been a lot of hate
30:25
Speaker 1: that's been made over the last few years. You remember
30:27
Speaker 1: when they I don't know if you recall this, but
30:30
Speaker 1: when they had that budget thing that came out a
30:33
Speaker 1: few years ago where the IRS was arming up. You know,
30:36
Speaker 1: they were going to arm them with all of you know,
30:38
Speaker 1: with all kinds of weapons. Okay, So he he is,
30:42
Speaker 1: in fact a fellow law enforcement officer. And no, he's
30:47
Speaker 1: an IRS special agent. Don't don't think that this guy
30:53
Speaker 1: doesn't know anything about crime scenes, because he does. And
30:57
Speaker 1: let me tell you how this kind of works with
30:58
Speaker 1: the FEDS will send their future law enforcement investigators down
31:04
Speaker 1: to a place called glen Coe, Georgia. They have their
31:07
Speaker 1: own academy. It's a basic law enforcement academy that they
31:10
Speaker 1: go through, Okay, and it's like multiple agents. You might
31:15
Speaker 1: be you might be in a class down there with
31:19
Speaker 1: people from the Forest Service or the US Park Service.
31:23
Speaker 1: You might have people that work for the FDA, all right.
31:26
Speaker 1: You might have people that work for the Federal Drug
31:30
Speaker 1: Drug Administration and I'm not talking about the DA. Everybody
31:34
Speaker 1: the Department of Energy, you know, and they might be
31:37
Speaker 1: going through a basic law enforcement academy and then at
31:41
Speaker 1: the end or the completion of that, they will then
31:43
Speaker 1: go to the IRS academy as kind of an add
31:47
Speaker 1: on this is what we do, this is how so
31:49
Speaker 1: he he would understand the basics of how to process
31:53
Speaker 1: a crime. Sayne, he doesn't sit around, you know, the
31:55
Speaker 1: old what's the thing the advisor? That account is where
32:00
Speaker 1: the green visor? You know, And he's got his gun
32:03
Speaker 1: sitting on his desk and he's running numbers on charts
32:05
Speaker 1: and all that sort of thing. That ain't the way
32:07
Speaker 1: this is this guy, this guy's cop okay at And
32:11
Speaker 1: the fact that he would not engage in conversation with
32:16
Speaker 1: police officers who, by the way, are trying to determine
32:20
Speaker 1: what happened to a fellow law enforcement officer's wife in
32:25
Speaker 1: their own home is rather odd. Uh from the beginning.
32:31
Speaker 1: And again this goes back. You know, we talked about
32:33
Speaker 1: the violent, the violent sexual part of this that they
32:37
Speaker 1: alleged that she was asking for. I hate say that
32:40
Speaker 1: sounds horrible, but that's what they're implying. And then there's
32:46
Speaker 1: gun play involved, and he won't he won't sit down
32:49
Speaker 1: and try to help them try to understand what happened. Uh.
32:53
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe he's he's falling back on a
32:56
Speaker 1: on an excuse that well, you know, I pulled my
32:59
Speaker 1: weapon and I fired it, so therefore I can be
33:02
Speaker 1: implicated this thing. But I don't know, Dave. I got
33:06
Speaker 1: to tell you, brother, I think that there's at least
33:09
Speaker 1: I think from the police standpoint, they probably have a
33:12
Speaker 1: hent at this point in time, there's a much more
33:15
Speaker 1: sinister underpinning here. I gotta tell you That's just my
33:18
Speaker 1: thought on it, Dave. This is so very complex as
33:34
Speaker 1: far as the scene goes. Can you kind of break
33:36
Speaker 1: this down into the nuts and bolts of it so
33:38
Speaker 1: that we can kind of begin to understand the dynamic
33:41
Speaker 1: here and we'll kind of walk through this very carefully.
33:43
Speaker 3: Well, you know, when we looked at it earlier, we
33:45
Speaker 3: were talking about how the all pair calls Brendan Bamfield
33:51
Speaker 3: saying I just saw a guy go in the house.
33:53
Speaker 3: Bamfield comes back to the house, so does the all
33:56
Speaker 3: Pair with their four year old daughter. He Field goes
34:00
Speaker 3: up and sees Joseph Ryan stabbing his wife Christine in
34:04
Speaker 3: the neck. Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan, he doesn't kill him.
34:08
Speaker 3: This is where the alpair then goes to a safe
34:11
Speaker 3: in the house, retrieves another gun, comes upstairs, and she
34:15
Speaker 3: shoots Joseph Ryan in the heart, killing him. Meanwhile, according
34:20
Speaker 3: to Banfield, he's trying to stop the bleeding on Christine,
34:23
Speaker 3: his wife, but she's stabbed in her neck. There's no
34:26
Speaker 3: place to compress. And that's the discussion that is heard
34:29
Speaker 3: from the doctor on the body cam from the police
34:32
Speaker 3: officer at the hospital when he tells Brendan Manfield, your
34:35
Speaker 3: wife is dead. She's lost too much blood. There was
34:38
Speaker 3: no way and he was He says, I was trying
34:40
Speaker 3: to get it to stop, but and the doctor says
34:42
Speaker 3: there's no place on the neck to make it stop.
34:44
Speaker 3: So police begin the investigation based on this housewife, this mother,
34:51
Speaker 3: and why was Joseph Ryan in the house.
34:53
Speaker 2: Who is this guy?
34:54
Speaker 3: So they're doing the digital forensics on the phones, the computers,
34:57
Speaker 3: they're looking up all of this stuff. They find out
35:00
Speaker 3: pretty quickly a number of things. Joe the chief investigator,
35:05
Speaker 3: and all of the chief of Police brother Chief Davis
35:08
Speaker 3: said that investigators early on found digital evidence, physical evidence,
35:13
Speaker 3: forensic evidence, and circumstantial evidence that it appeared to them
35:17
Speaker 3: that Banfield and Perez Mogolies, the husband of the deceased
35:23
Speaker 3: wife and the all pair who's only twenty two years
35:26
Speaker 3: old at the time, that they were involved in a
35:29
Speaker 3: sexual relationship, and that Brendan Banfield actually had Perez Mogolies
35:39
Speaker 3: swapping out their phones for new ones, new phones in
35:43
Speaker 3: the days before the attack. In the days before his
35:47
Speaker 3: wife is killed by this unknown assailant, he swaps out
35:51
Speaker 3: phones to hide evidence. I mean, that's all they're thinking.
35:57
Speaker 3: They find out that Brendan Banfield took the all to
36:00
Speaker 3: a gun range before his wife was killed. A glock
36:03
Speaker 3: that he was used to shoot Joseph Ryan was purchased
36:06
Speaker 3: on a trip to the shooting range. Brendan Bamfield Empress
36:10
Speaker 3: Magalise said Christine Bamfield summoned Joseph Ryan to her home
36:16
Speaker 3: through a website for sexual bondage. Brendan Bamfield shot Joseph
36:20
Speaker 3: Ryan in the head, wounding but not killing him. Julian
36:23
Speaker 3: and Perez Magalies got a gun from a safe shot
36:25
Speaker 3: Ryan in the heart, killing him. Brendan Bamfield and Perez
36:27
Speaker 3: Maglese began the relationship months before the deaths occurred. Bamfield
36:32
Speaker 3: Empress Magali's relationship continued after the deaths. And in the
36:37
Speaker 3: months following the death of his wife, the mother of
36:42
Speaker 3: his four year old daughter, he moves in the alpair
36:46
Speaker 3: Perez Maghales clothing is hanging in the Banfield closet, not
36:52
Speaker 3: Christine Bamfield's clothing. You know, Joe, my wife died eleven
36:56
Speaker 3: months ago. Our clothes are still in the closet. Oh Lord,
36:58
Speaker 3: I can't get him out.
37:01
Speaker 1: God bless you. Man.
37:02
Speaker 3: And I saw this and my first thought was, you scumbag.
37:05
Speaker 3: You're carrying a gun and a badge, working with the
37:07
Speaker 3: I R S. And you won't talk to cops. That's
37:10
Speaker 3: a big problem for me. I by the way, I
37:13
Speaker 3: am the guy who says, don't ever talk to cops. Yeah, ever,
37:16
Speaker 3: because you're even if you didn't do anything, they're good.
37:20
Speaker 3: If they think you did, you're gonna be found dead.
37:22
Speaker 3: You're going to be found that as the guilty guy.
37:25
Speaker 3: So I don't ever talk to cops. But you carry
37:27
Speaker 3: a gun and a badge, Joe, I think your duty
37:30
Speaker 3: bound to talk to cops.
37:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think so, you know, And even you know,
37:35
Speaker 1: even if you're you know, you're not tasked as an
37:38
Speaker 1: I r S Special Agent to investigate local homicides or
37:41
Speaker 1: desks and that sort of thing. It's still you're you're
37:44
Speaker 1: under that you're in that family. Okay, But here's here's
37:47
Speaker 1: the interesting thing. You know I R S agents, Uh,
37:52
Speaker 1: they typically carry the weapon that they learned to train
37:55
Speaker 1: on when they went through the academy. And I R
37:58
Speaker 1: S agents actually do carry glocks. Okay, so this is
38:02
Speaker 1: a weapon he would have been familiar with.
38:04
Speaker 2: I find I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
38:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I find it very interesting, very interesting. As
38:12
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I think that they carry glock,
38:19
Speaker 1: maybe glock twenty six like fifth Gen. What's interesting, though,
38:26
Speaker 1: is that let's just say, let's just say that he's
38:30
Speaker 1: carrying that same frame okay, that same frame of weapon
38:35
Speaker 1: or platform of weapon, and he goes out with the
38:39
Speaker 1: which he did. By the way, you had just mentioned
38:41
Speaker 1: they had gone out to this shooting range so that
38:48
Speaker 1: she could she could practice shooting, which is something that
38:52
Speaker 1: had never occurred before. And this is dude, this is
38:55
Speaker 1: within days, this event taking place. But did you know
38:58
Speaker 1: that even the but it might be the same weapon platform,
39:03
Speaker 1: it don't matter because both of those weapons, the ballistics
39:10
Speaker 1: on both of those weapons are going to be distinctly different,
39:14
Speaker 1: and so I find that interesting. And it's something else
39:17
Speaker 1: when you begin to think about Joseph Ryan, who is
39:21
Speaker 1: laid there, he shot, the wife is stabbed. Any kind
39:25
Speaker 1: of round that they take from either the body or
39:30
Speaker 1: the scene, the striations on those bullets are going to
39:34
Speaker 1: be distinctly different. Let's just say, okay, and i'll give
39:36
Speaker 1: you for instance, if you are a law enforcement officer,
39:39
Speaker 1: and I don't care where you're working, you have to
39:41
Speaker 1: go to the range and qualify many times. You'll have
39:45
Speaker 1: qualified a couple of times a year, all right, So
39:48
Speaker 1: every time you fire that weapon, changes occur within that
39:53
Speaker 1: barrel and you'll get little nicks and things. It's not
39:57
Speaker 1: just the rifling inside of the barrel that transfers into
40:01
Speaker 1: the striations on the projectile itself. More use you have
40:06
Speaker 1: of a weapon, the more distinctive it makes it. Okay,
40:09
Speaker 1: even if it's the same caliber the same platform, that
40:13
Speaker 1: weapon is going to look different than say this brand
40:16
Speaker 1: new one that was just purchased, which was actually utilized here.
40:19
Speaker 1: So you're going to have two different weapons. And look,
40:23
Speaker 1: you've got both of them, you know, admitting to the
40:25
Speaker 1: fact that both these weapons were fired. So you'll have
40:29
Speaker 1: two weapons to examine. The two weapons that are going
40:33
Speaker 1: to go to the stabilistics lab to be viewed. The
40:36
Speaker 1: question is this you go into great detail with shooters,
40:43
Speaker 1: with you know, people that have shot individuals. If they're
40:46
Speaker 1: going to talk, they're going to be asked specific questions.
40:49
Speaker 1: What position was this individual when you engage them with
40:54
Speaker 1: your weapon to begin with? Where they standing, were they kneeling,
40:57
Speaker 1: Were you behind them or you in front of them,
40:59
Speaker 1: or you to the side of them. Okay, And so
41:03
Speaker 1: that's going to make a big difference here as to relationship.
41:07
Speaker 1: And then with Christine being pulled out of the environment,
41:11
Speaker 1: you know, having gone to having gone to the hospital
41:15
Speaker 1: to be treated for the sharp force injuries, you know,
41:18
Speaker 1: to no avail. Of course, that could in and of
41:23
Speaker 1: self change the dynamic. But I want to go back
41:26
Speaker 1: to to this this thing with the digital forensics here
41:32
Speaker 1: because again in this case, just like so many others
41:35
Speaker 1: that that we've covered, you know, over these years, you
41:40
Speaker 1: you actually have someone kind of laying out with these
41:44
Speaker 1: digital breadcrumbs of what they're doing. And I think that
41:48
Speaker 1: in the midst of these things, people they don't think
41:50
Speaker 1: about how this looks right. And so if you're creating something.
41:54
Speaker 1: It's very interesting that you know she would have she
41:57
Speaker 1: did this hang up, right, she did this hang up
42:00
Speaker 1: on the nine one one call and then Dave there
42:04
Speaker 1: there is bodycam footage too, would sound correct.
42:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, you know, going back to the hang up call,
42:13
Speaker 3: you know she said that this is what Maga Leese
42:16
Speaker 3: said at the time, the reason she hung up the
42:19
Speaker 3: phone that when they got into the house. To back
42:22
Speaker 3: up little timetable here, when Magales left with the four
42:26
Speaker 3: year old to go to the zoo, she's pulling away
42:29
Speaker 3: and she forgot their homemade lunches that they were supposed
42:31
Speaker 3: to take. And when she turns around to go back
42:34
Speaker 3: to the house to pick up the sandwiches, she sees
42:36
Speaker 3: Ryan going in the home. That's when she ostensibly calls Banfield,
42:40
Speaker 3: who's at a local McDonald's on his way to work.
42:43
Speaker 3: Bamfield turns around and comes back to the house. He
42:46
Speaker 3: and Magales meet at the house and walk into the
42:48
Speaker 3: house together. Bamfield says, take the four year old and
42:51
Speaker 3: go downstairs into the basement, and he goes upstairs. Bamfield
42:54
Speaker 3: goes upstairs and you know she's Ryan. Well, that's where
42:59
Speaker 3: the hang up call had happened. Magaali says, at seven
43:02
Speaker 3: forty seven, she was in the basement calling nine one
43:04
Speaker 3: one and realized she didn't know what to tell them
43:06
Speaker 3: because see, the only thing she knows, Joe, is what
43:09
Speaker 3: really happened. She doesn't know the story that needs to
43:14
Speaker 3: be told. Remember English is not her first language. She's
43:19
Speaker 3: twenty two from Brazil. She's an off pair and that's
43:23
Speaker 3: why she hangs up. And that's why there's fifteen minutes
43:25
Speaker 3: in between. You got to get the story straight. Now,
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Speaker 3: backing up a minute, because we have the story of
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Speaker 3: the fetish website. The thing is, the evidence shows that
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Speaker 3: Christine Banfield's laptop was used in setting up the account,
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Speaker 3: the profile on this fetish website where she, according to
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Speaker 3: records on this website, reached out wanted somebody to violently
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Speaker 3: rape her. That's what her fetish was, to be violently
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Speaker 3: raped in her home, and that she arranged everything, and
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Speaker 3: that she even bought the tickets for Magalise to take
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Speaker 3: the four year old to the zoo that day they
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Speaker 3: would be gone. See, she knew what time her husband
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Speaker 3: was leaving to go to work. She knew at times
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Speaker 3: she'd get the all pair out with the four year
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Speaker 3: old and the home would be open for her to
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Speaker 3: be violently raped by a guy she didn't know that
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Speaker 3: she met on this fetish website. Now part of this
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Speaker 3: back and forth, you know it took over a year, Joe.
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Speaker 3: You mentioned this happened in February of twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 3: It was a year and a half before and arrest,
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Speaker 3: before anything was done, before an arrest was made, and
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Speaker 3: then their rest did come down. Well, when the indictments
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Speaker 3: were handed down charging Brandon Manfield with what had happened
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Speaker 3: and Magalise, it only took three weeks for the.
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Speaker 2: All pair to cut a deal.
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Speaker 3: The deal was because right if the indictment was handed down, Joe,
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Speaker 3: do you know if Brendan Bamfield's defense attorney wanted very
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Speaker 3: first thing, everything the all pair said to police from
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Speaker 3: the time this happened untill the time we wanted inadmissible.
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Speaker 3: She knows the English is not her first language. She
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Speaker 3: didn't know what everything, so everything she said, you can't use.
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Speaker 3: And when that didn't happen, she copped a deal and
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Speaker 3: has admitted now because that depends were saying, well, see,
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Speaker 3: Christine just had this really dark side. She really wanted
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Speaker 3: this and you know, hey, Brandon Banfield, he's a hero.
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Speaker 3: You know, he tried to save his wife's life. This
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Speaker 3: guy was killing her. He took it too far, you know,
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Speaker 3: the whole crazy thing. But at trial, you know, this
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Speaker 3: is ongoing, but that the all pair said she created it,
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Speaker 3: that they created the profile.
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Speaker 1: Now that's almost I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks.