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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 2-17-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: He's the Shan O'Connell Show, brought to you by Big
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  Speaker 1: Utah's ESPN Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Have a Tuesday, everybody, Welcome to the Shan O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 2: Happy to have you with us after a long weekend,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully an enjoyable long weekend.
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  Speaker 3: President's Day, one.
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  Speaker 4: Of those holidays mostly defined by retail sales at this point,
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  Speaker 4: but it's an extra day off and I think the weather.
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  Speaker 3: Timed out pretty nicely.
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  Speaker 4: That's my hope, at least for most of you people
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  Speaker 4: out there, where the blusters and the blowing wind and
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  Speaker 4: the storms seem to have allowed for everyone to get
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  Speaker 4: back to home base safely before the snow blew in.
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  Speaker 4: And it's obviously something we need, so a chili day,
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  Speaker 4: a cold day. Last night, hurricane force winds blowing all
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  Speaker 4: of the furniture outside my house around because we're one
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  Speaker 4: of those families that doesn't properly winterize their patio furniture,
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  Speaker 4: so chairs and tables and everything sliding all over the deck.
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  Speaker 4: And some precipitation in the mountains and even down in
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  Speaker 4: the valleys here today and tomorrow, which again we need it.
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  Speaker 4: What an interesting weekend in sports, obviously the Olympics taking
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  Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people center stage, college
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  Speaker 4: basketball heating up Big twelve basketball with some fascinating results,
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  Speaker 4: and dare I say it?
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  Speaker 3: Am I ready?
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  Speaker 4: Should we get into this was a good NBA All
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  Speaker 4: Star weekend. The NBA All Star format may have fixed
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  Speaker 4: some of the problem. The players seem to actually want
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  Speaker 4: to compete now. I think that realistically most of us
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  Speaker 4: understand that they're not going to be playing the same
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  Speaker 4: level of basketball you're going to see, especially the same
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  Speaker 4: level defense that you're going to see in like an
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  Speaker 4: NBA finals or a conference finals or a playoff or
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  Speaker 4: even an important home game.
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  Speaker 3: But this was fun, little round robin, twelve minute games.
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  Speaker 4: Little snackable basketball content, Stars versus Stripes, Team USA versus
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  Speaker 4: International Stars. And maybe Adam Silver or whomever found a
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  Speaker 4: way to get in touch with the players. Maybe they
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  Speaker 4: somebody finally tapped into Lebron and said, look, man, you've
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  Speaker 4: only got one or two more of these weekends. We
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  Speaker 4: want you to make everybody care about it. We really
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  Speaker 4: need to quell this narrative that the NBA is a
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  Speaker 4: bad product right now because heading into the All Star break,
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, a lot of it centered around the Utah Jazz,
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  Speaker 4: there was plenty of controversy and plenty of conversation around
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  Speaker 4: the fact that like, eh, you know what, and made
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  Speaker 4: basketball the regular season kind of stinks. Bill Simmons out
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  Speaker 4: there saying, now you could shorten this thing. You can
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  Speaker 4: make it seventy games instead of eighty two games. You
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  Speaker 4: can make it sixty games instead of eighty two games.
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  Speaker 3: We've talked about it on my show. I don't need
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  Speaker 3: NBA basketball before Christmas. I don't need it.
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  Speaker 4: I know that there's plenty of hoop heads out there, like,
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  Speaker 4: come on, man, that's like the whole preseason being in
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  Speaker 4: the fall and then having semi meaningless or meaningfull NBA
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  Speaker 4: games to smatter in while you're still dialed in all
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  Speaker 4: the way on football.
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  Speaker 3: That's a nice thing, and maybe for you it is.
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  Speaker 4: But I wonder how much of this extra effort in
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  Speaker 4: NBA All Star Weekend was just an acknowledgment by the league,
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  Speaker 4: by the players in the league, by ownership, players front office.
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  Speaker 4: As in the NBA front office finally getting on the
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  Speaker 4: same page sort of situation where they're like, look, we
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  Speaker 4: cannot afford for negative narratives to overtake our sport. We've
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  Speaker 4: had a really nice little decade of stars emerging, international players,
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  Speaker 4: continuing to expand our game, Sponsors just loving what we do,
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  Speaker 4: Television networks paying us billions upon billions of dollars in
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  Speaker 4: order to carry our content, and all of you benefit
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  Speaker 4: from that, every single one of you load managing Cissy's
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  Speaker 4: out there. You guys are all benefiting from this. So
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  Speaker 4: we have to stop. We have to nip this in
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  Speaker 4: the bud. We have to stop this negative talk about
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  Speaker 4: our league. And a really successful way to do that
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  Speaker 4: is to reverse the narrative about All Star weekend, where
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  Speaker 4: fans have gotten a little bit disenfranchised by the idea
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  Speaker 4: that the best players in the league can't be bothered
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  Speaker 4: to care about being named an All Star and playing
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  Speaker 4: in a game called an All Star game and be
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  Speaker 4: competitive in that game. It could just be as simple
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  Speaker 4: as there are guys out there like Victor Wembinyama who
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  Speaker 4: is not yet jaded. He has not yet been dulled
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  Speaker 4: by the excessive criticism and the continuous money only conversations
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  Speaker 4: around the NBA, and maybe Victor Wembinyama is enough of
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  Speaker 4: a spark plug because he's so dang good and he's
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  Speaker 4: such a physical freak that other players, American players, veteran players,
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  Speaker 4: are looking at it and they're just going like, well, look,
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  Speaker 4: if he's gonna go, if he's gonna show up and
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna try at eighty five percent or ninety percent,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna I got enough pride that I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: do the same thing. Maybe we're crowning the Prince Victor
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  Speaker 4: Webbinyama too much in offering him that kind of credit,
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  Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, for me, this
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  Speaker 4: NBA All Star Weekend was incredibly encouraging because a lot
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  Speaker 4: of the problems that we see in sports and in
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  Speaker 4: other sports and in crossover, a lot of it is
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  Speaker 4: kind of stuff that I don't feel like there's an
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  Speaker 4: easy fix to, there's an easy solution to, and the
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  Speaker 4: NBA All Star Weekend showed us that there is a
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  Speaker 4: pretty easy fix, at least for that one problem, and
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  Speaker 4: it's just effort. I think actually that the NBA could
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  Speaker 4: solve the majority of its problems with just that just effort.
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  Speaker 4: College sports right now is plagued by a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: things that are overly complicated and too deeply embroiled with
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  Speaker 4: attorneys and all that and finances for it to be
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  Speaker 4: something we can sort out quickly or painlessly. In the NBA,
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  Speaker 4: A good chunk of what people don't like about the
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  Speaker 4: NBA could be solved with just consistent effort, want to,
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  Speaker 4: and a sort of readoption of the competitive culture that
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  Speaker 4: all of us romanticize seventies, eighties and nineties.
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  Speaker 3: NBA basketball, with.
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  Speaker 4: Very few problems in sports right now, require an ingredient
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  Speaker 4: so clear to just like drop that into your mix
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  Speaker 4: and watch as it gets a lot better. You ever
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  Speaker 4: watch those like oxy Clean commercials where they'll do, you know,
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  Speaker 4: rest in peace. What was his name, Billy something, Billy
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  Speaker 4: Billy Mays with his just.
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  Speaker 3: Jet black Ryan Day beard.
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  Speaker 4: He would be like, look what oxy clean does to
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  Speaker 4: this muddy water, And you can't.
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  Speaker 5: Believe what Sean O'Connell said about me and my beard.
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  Speaker 4: He just pours a little, like a little tea spoon
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  Speaker 4: of oxy clean into like a muddy ice cream bucket
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  Speaker 4: of water, and then suddenly the water gets clear. That's
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  Speaker 4: what the NBA can do right now with just a
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  Speaker 4: little bit of competitive effort becauetiti. You're still you're still
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  Speaker 4: going to have like the betting stuff that's lurking in
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  Speaker 4: the background, right, You're still gonna have fans like me
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  Speaker 4: shaking their fist at the Hey, what are you doing
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  Speaker 4: with these like unjust punishments, these inconsistent rule enforcement opportunities
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  Speaker 4: where you're only singling out the jazz and I guess,
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  Speaker 4: to a lesser extent, the pacers, and you're letting everyone
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  Speaker 4: else do whatever they want. You're still gonna have some
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  Speaker 4: of that, but that's like pretty normal, like just the
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  Speaker 4: soap opera of sport.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna have that.
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  Speaker 4: Or people find something to complain about and then they
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  Speaker 4: move on to something that they don't need to complain about.
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  Speaker 4: The NBA was kind of brushing up against not an
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  Speaker 4: existential crisis, because the money's too big, the league's too
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  Speaker 4: big to fail, it's a worldwide product, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 4: they were brushing up against a little bit of like
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  Speaker 4: a disenfranchisement of a certain segment of the fan base.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it was all related to and it
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  Speaker 4: is all related to the effort quotient, people saying I
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  Speaker 4: don't care about people that don't care about the game.
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  Speaker 4: I don't care about teams populated with individuals who are
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  Speaker 4: more worried about load management than they are worried about
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  Speaker 4: winning a certain number of games, making it to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 4: I have a hard time forking out my hard earned
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  Speaker 4: dollars and buying the merchandise for a team that is
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  Speaker 4: going to deliberately tank for four or five, six years
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  Speaker 4: in a row.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of those things, a lot of those issues
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  Speaker 3: are still going to exist.
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  Speaker 4: But what a refreshing little oh wow, how tasty was
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  Speaker 4: that All Star NBA lemonade goes down smooth when you're
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  Speaker 4: getting your star players actually trying and giving us a
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  Speaker 4: watchable product. Eight point eight million viewers that was the
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  Speaker 4: average for NBA All Star Weekend peaked at around ten
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  Speaker 4: million viewers. That's the best in fifteen years, best rating
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  Speaker 4: they've gotten on the overnights since two thy eleven. And
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  Speaker 4: remember this is in an atmosphere of entertainment where you
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  Speaker 4: have way too many options. The market on anything that
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  Speaker 4: can draw your eyes in your attention is just saturated.
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  Speaker 4: By definition. Now you got your phone in your pocket,
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  Speaker 4: and then suddenly your phone is in your hand. While
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  Speaker 4: the NBA All Star Game is on TV, and then
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  Speaker 4: you're scrolling through whatever your drug of choices, your social
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  Speaker 4: media app of choice, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if Snapchat is still a thing, but your attention
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  Speaker 4: is divided in all these ways. And look, the NBA
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  Speaker 4: still gets credit for the televisions that are on while
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  Speaker 4: you're not paying attention.
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  Speaker 3: But ten million viewers an.
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  Speaker 4: Uptick that reflects more positivity than you've seen in fifteen years.
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  Speaker 4: That's encouraging for an NBA that the last two weeks
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  Speaker 4: has mostly been beaten down by conversation about this problem.
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  Speaker 3: That problem.
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  Speaker 4: Tanking is a mess, Betting is still a problem in
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  Speaker 4: this league.
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  Speaker 3: Who knows what else is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Like Adam Silver and company are probably resting a little
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  Speaker 4: just a teeny bit easier today. Are waking up this
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  Speaker 4: Tuesday morning, after President's Day weekend, after All Star weekend
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  Speaker 4: and being like, okay, guys, we got Whether Victor Weinbinyama
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  Speaker 4: is the savior of this anti competitive mess or it's
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  Speaker 4: the fact that we gave them a format that they
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  Speaker 4: actually care about. And maybe you have to call Gary
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  Speaker 4: Bettman and say thank you NHL for the four Nations thing.
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  Speaker 4: Inspiring this and saying, all right, let's go, let's make
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  Speaker 4: it something. Because East versus West wasn't cutting it anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Team Lebron versus team whoever wasn't Team Steph wasn't cutting
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  Speaker 4: it anymore. So throw a little national national pride of
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  Speaker 4: little world championship, a little Olympic flavor in there, and
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  Speaker 4: let's see if these guys care. And they did, at
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  Speaker 4: least for those twelve minute games. They cared a little
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  Speaker 4: bit more, and the product was better, and the product
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  Speaker 4: was more watchable, and lo and behold, the product was
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  Speaker 4: more heavily consumed because of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I I'm not I hate the Every year in
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  Speaker 5: the All Star Game All Star weekends, it's usually the
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  Speaker 5: Dunk Contest, but every lately, once every five years, when
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  Speaker 5: it's a really competitive All Star Game, all everyone's like, hey.
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  Speaker 3: It's saved. The Dunk Contest was saved. So and so
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  Speaker 3: saved the Dunk Contest.
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  Speaker 5: And then next year we're all like, the Dunk Contest
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  Speaker 5: has sucked since the eighties. So I feel like we're
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  Speaker 5: getting that. We've gotten that territory with All Star Game.
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  Speaker 5: And what I'm gonna say is I I don't I
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  Speaker 5: don't like the we have to give instant reaction. But
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  Speaker 5: I don't like this the it's fixed only until next
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  Speaker 5: year when it's gonna be bad. So what I'm what
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say is it was great, and it was
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  Speaker 5: refreshing that it was great, just like those smattering of
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  Speaker 5: dunk contests over the last twenty thirty years, the thirty
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  Speaker 5: forty years have been it's been refreshing to see those.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm I'm gonna wait and see before I before
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  Speaker 5: I say this is this is the fix that they
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  Speaker 5: needed because we because they got to do this consistently.
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  Speaker 5: Oh see, they can't. And since it's only an annual thing,
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  Speaker 5: we we can't. We don't know until next year if
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  Speaker 5: they're really gonna if they're really gonna buy in the
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  Speaker 5: players that is gonna buy in the way they did
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  Speaker 5: to this format. I did really like the format. I
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  Speaker 5: think that it was a nice evolution from what they
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  Speaker 5: tried last year with the round robin, and it made
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  Speaker 5: a lot more sense to be like, instead of playing
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  Speaker 5: the forty, let's just play quarters and and we don't
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  Speaker 5: and instead of have like an hour halftime break in
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  Speaker 5: between each of these four the game, these pickup games
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  Speaker 5: to forty. Let's just let's do it this relatively the
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  Speaker 5: same amount of time that a regular NBA game takes,
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  Speaker 5: or you know, regular All Star game has taken at
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  Speaker 5: five minute breaks in between quarters and then we're and
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  Speaker 5: then we're back to second quarter.
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  Speaker 3: Is Team Stripes versus versus the World?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 5: I I liked that tweak to it, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that had a lot to do with it too. I
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  Speaker 5: think I would say that probably I would guess that
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  Speaker 5: probably had a lot more to do with it than
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  Speaker 5: playing against the world did. But yeah, the national pride,
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  Speaker 5: probably continental pride in the in the case of the world,
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  Speaker 5: probably had something to do with this too.
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  Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell was asked about, you know, whether or not
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  Speaker 4: it was Victor Winbinyama kind of setting a tone in
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  Speaker 4: that first game that that woke everybody up, so to speak,
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  Speaker 4: and he was like, I was warming up.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even watch him, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: But Victor has talked like, yeah, he's gonna bring it,
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  Speaker 4: and so I think that the expectation was that you know, someone,
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  Speaker 4: at least someone here is going to bring it.
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  Speaker 3: So you can't be like you if you're a last
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  Speaker 3: year too in that a lot worse version of what
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  Speaker 3: we saw this.
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  Speaker 4: If you're old enough, if you're lebron while everyone else
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  Speaker 4: is trying really hard, you could be Larry Burden Dream
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  Speaker 4: Team in your way up and down and just kind
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  Speaker 4: of like yogging.
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  Speaker 3: Throw a couple of passes.
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  Speaker 4: You don't have to be at the same level of
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  Speaker 4: intensity as everyone else is if you're that elder statesman.
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  Speaker 4: But the natural reaction again, every everybody that makes it
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  Speaker 4: to the NBA fancies themselves some level of alpha, and
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  Speaker 4: everyone who's an All Star in the NBA is in
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  Speaker 4: reality some level of alpha. So when you get like
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  Speaker 4: all of these alpha alphas together and one of them
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  Speaker 4: starts being like, I'm better than you, the natural reaction
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  Speaker 4: from all the others is gonna be like, okay, watch,
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  Speaker 4: let's see And and if it's the format that injected
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  Speaker 4: that back in, or if it's an individual player or
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  Speaker 4: two that injected that back in, you're right it by itself,
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  Speaker 4: the instant reaction to it was fun to see was awesome.
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  Speaker 4: You got to make sure you maintain it. And whether
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  Speaker 4: you as a league can incentivize that with these formats
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  Speaker 4: or with some kind of bonus structure or with whatever. Great,
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  Speaker 4: if it's not a league thing and it's a player thing,
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  Speaker 4: then keep those players where we need them, because because
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  Speaker 4: that is the fix for the NBA, the try, the effort,
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  Speaker 4: the want to. And again, I say it's encouraging because
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  Speaker 4: if you ask somebody how do you fix if there
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  Speaker 4: are problems with today's NFL, how do you fix it?
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  Speaker 4: And you're just like, oh, man, well, it's officiating is
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  Speaker 4: my problem. And the officiating thing can get really problematic.
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  Speaker 4: And then there's other people just like, well, the scheduling
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  Speaker 4: is the problem for me. I don't like the scheduling.
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  Speaker 4: You crowd out college football in certain situations.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't like this. I don't like that.
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  Speaker 5: Again, are we letting too many teams into the playoffs?
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  Speaker 4: It's like kind of yees, oh, these owners are so
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  Speaker 4: dang greedy. Well, how can you solve that? It's not
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  Speaker 4: it's not something that you can easily even point out.
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  Speaker 4: A fix to the college sports thing is such a
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  Speaker 4: mess that you're just like, well, we have to completely
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  Speaker 4: reverse the culture of litigiousness in the United States of
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  Speaker 4: America in order to fix college sports now.
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  Speaker 5: And Congress has to make laws for us to enforce
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  Speaker 5: these and.
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  Speaker 4: Guess what, By the way, if Congress comes out and
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  Speaker 4: makes laws, then the lawyers get even more billable hours
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  Speaker 4: because they're just like.
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  Speaker 3: Haha, now we're battling the government on this.
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  Speaker 4: Now I'm going up against you and saying this law
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  Speaker 4: that you made is unconstitutional and is anti American and
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  Speaker 4: his anti capitalist, and you're trying to be a common
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  Speaker 4: like they're gonna find ways something.
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  Speaker 5: At the Supreme Court at the Supreme Court's desk and
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  Speaker 5: they're all the justices are like, yeah, you know what,
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  Speaker 5: You're right, it is unconstitutional.
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  Speaker 3: We're back where we were exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So like in college sports, you want to figure out
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  Speaker 4: how to fix college sports, right now you're like, okay,
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  Speaker 4: well I'm gonna put the nil genie back in the bottle.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like, oh, really, okay, good luck. Have fun
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  Speaker 4: with that. And I agree with you that that would
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  Speaker 4: be somewhat of a fix, but it's impossible at this point. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do the one transfer thing. I love that idea.
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  Speaker 4: I love that you can transfer one time penalty free
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  Speaker 4: and after that there are penalties to your transfer. I
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  Speaker 4: wish we could do that, but again, putting that genie
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  Speaker 4: back in the bottle. They tried, Remember when they tried
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  Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, you can transfer as long as
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  Speaker 4: you have a good reason to transfer, and people were
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  Speaker 4: just like, all right, my reason for transferring is because
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  Speaker 4: I'm allergic to my dorm room at LSU.
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  Speaker 3: What's the obscure? Obscure TV reference coming?
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  Speaker 4: Uh? Pretty instead of movie? Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Prison?
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  Speaker 5: What's the prison break? Michael Schofield tries to get He
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  Speaker 5: gets a stay of transfer because of chronic sign you sitis.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I didn't ever watch a prison break.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: It's really good, and I know that I I'm missing
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: out on that I didn't. So there are plenty of
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: television show phenomena that I missed. I missed lost. You
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: can catch up on both of those. I missed prison Break.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I tried on Baking Breaking Bad twice. I tried people.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I missed that one too. I need to I tried.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I need to give it a shot. I didn't like
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I didn't like it. I tried.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I gave it a couple I didn't like it, and
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: I tried.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Now, actually we might have We might have
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: another one right now happening like a cultural phenomenon television
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: show we haven't had one of those in a while.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Have we I feel like Succession was that a few
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: years ago?
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: Sure, that was like the the air to Game of
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Thrones for HBO. So now that I haven't even gotten
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: into that yet, I think that's still technically going, right.
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know if there's more seasons of Succession. I
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: think it's done. It's done. I think I'm like three
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: seasons into Succession. And then I realized I needed to
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: take a break from just watching stuff about dysfunctional rich people.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So you started watching the NBA.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Oh so, waitecond more dysfunctional rich people?
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: No, but I.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Right now we might have one of a Night of
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Seven Kingdoms. The but I is ready awesome, and it
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: feels like it's it's maybe gonna crest up as a
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: wave that could crash over all of society like a crossover.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's actually a lot.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: More palatable for people that didn't like the idea of
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Game of Thrones with the magic and the dragons and
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: stuff right like that right now, because because A Night
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: of the Seven Kingdoms has none of that as of now.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: It's uh, I'm waiting for I'm waiting for all of
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: the episodes that is a good idea. That's that's what
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: I am. Did you did you watch House of Dragon? Yes, okay,
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: so this is the second So this the second spin
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: off to Game of Thrones. So it's uh, it's just
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: not it's more history, not fantasy. From what historical fiction
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: not fantasy?
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean I guess it's not even historical.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I mean it's period sort of. Yeah, it's it's like,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you know, you're watching a really interesting show about nights. Yeah, okay,
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: about what you would call like medieval whatever, chicanery, warfare.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: It's like he sounds like the guy Duncan travels and
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: does the different tournaments.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Well, that here's the thing about it.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil anything for everyone, but it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: like it's a slow burn, but in a way that
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: leaves you wanting more instead of frustrating you. Okay, and
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: the like, we don't we're not here to break down
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: television shows, but it's been a while since we've had
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: one of those shows that like everybody has an opinion about.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Everyone is like, oh, I can't wait for the season finale.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: I can't wait for this. I think we're getting to
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: that point with The Night of seven Kingdom, hold on,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: not HBO, but Stranger Things was a cultural Yeah, yeah,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: you're right. It's that kind of bridge the gap between
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: believe I missed that one. We just had the series
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: finality of Stranger Thing.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: But as far as HBO, HBO has been in a
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: little drought with that, I think succession might have been
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: the closest thing.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: So in any case, before we get too far Afield
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: and James is right, you don't. You don't have to
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: be a prisoner of the moment and say, well, the
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: NBA is fixed and we've we figured it out now.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: But it was refreshing. It's a it's a nice little
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: drink of lemonade. Gives you hope that this could be
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: a fixed, a long term fix.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: But we do and I really want to know.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I hope that we get some more insight into what
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: motivated the players this year versus the last several, whether
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: it was the format, whether it was the kind of
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: like World versus USA, or whether it's the fact that
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: you now have an injection of young talent. A lot
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: of these guys are. They're good enough to not care
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: if their peers want to be like too cool for school,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: you know, what I mean. I think we got into
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: a situation in the NBA where everyone was like, you
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: know what, the fraternity of the NBA means more to
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: me even than like my individual team does. Where being
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: part of the cool kids club and making sure that
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: like Lebron and Chris Paul and all these guys like
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: and Anthony Davis that they I'm down with those guys
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: like those guys think that I'm part of their group
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: peer group. I think it became too important to too
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: many stars in the league, and I think that there
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: were not enough of the Jimmy Butler Draymond Green characters.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: They were just like, I don't care if everybody hates me,
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Like Michael Jordan was that way, Karl Malone was that way,
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: David Robinson was that way, Larry Bird was certainly that way.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: But even after that, Kobe Bryant, while he was playing,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: was very much that way. Was it absolute sociopath. Shaquille
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: O'Neill was happy to on the court disrespect anybody. Alonso
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Morning like these guys.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Tim Duncan, but he also didn't care about the attention.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: So I think that we got to like a weird spot,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: and maybe we're still there, But we definitely got to
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: a weird spot in the NBA where the sport had
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: grown big enough and the phenomenon was big enough that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: you had like this pseudo celebrity click that was just
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: as important to your status in the NBA as being
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: a champion in the NBA. Like the All Star Game
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: in a decade and a half was really just like
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: a gathering of those guys to all be friends with
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: each other again, and to get to hang out with
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: each other and to have their exclusive trip that nobody
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: else got to be a part of. And I thought
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: that was a little bit detrimental. But now you've got
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: some guys that, like, you know, not that these people
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: aren't respectful towards each other, they're not friendly towards each other,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: and they're probably genuine friends, but I think that like
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: the Lucas of the world and the Jokers of the world,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: and certainly the Wimbin Yamas of the world, and man
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: and for certain and like He's like, I don't know
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: if Donovan Mitchell's in this category, but like I think
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Shay Gildess Alexander might be in this category where they're
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: just like yeah, yeah, yeah, Like it's a fraternity. It's
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: a brotherhood because we're all doing this thing. But also I.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Want to melt your face with my moods. I think.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: I think Donovan hopefully is transitioning more into that, but
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: I think he absolutely was that I'm thirsty for or
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: recognition guy.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he probably falls more on that side
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: of things. Hopefully he's I honestly, I think this is
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: part of the reason why Rudy Gobert has had such
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: a problematic type reputation in the league, because I think
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: Rudy has always been a guy that's just like, why
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: do I want to be friends with you?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: I want to beat you?
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: And his skill set is not flashy, and so he's
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: always going to be looked at as a little bit
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: of a pariah that way. But I think also like
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: him being this gangly French weirdo that didn't want to
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: be part of the boys club, I think that hurt
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: his career and his reputation in a lot of ways.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: And it's so funny because NBA fans, I think, fed
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: into this so much and they're just like, I want
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: Lebron to have crossover stardom and I want him to
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: live in LA and I want him to be in Miami,
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: and I want to be able to like this market
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: saturation and all that stuff. And then you got to
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: a point where you're just like, wait, I actually don't
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: like that. But we created the problem, and now we
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: started to criticize the problem, like all these guys are
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: too they're too buddy buddy, they're too friendly with each other.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: It's like, yeah, but that's because we rewarded them before that,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: specifically for almost twenty years of that particular classes career.
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: And I think these young guys might be getting away
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: from it, maybe maybe hopefully cross my fingers.
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: And I think you're right. Most of the guys you
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: named are international stars, right, And I think I think
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: that being a continent away from the AAU scene, I
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: think it's helpful, probably helped, probably helps those guys to
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: have that more old school mindset, even though those guys
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: were professionals since they were like fourteen years old, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: they they have their own thing with they've played with
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: or against a lot of the other European stars.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: But it's not it's not quite.
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: It hasn't gotten quite as problematic as the buddy buddy
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: American AA you've seen his got I also think, like
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: specifically with like Joker, I don't think he cares to
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: even be in the NBA.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: He's just really good. He's just so good that I
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: think it creates this like he's almost aloof to all
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: See, he has a he certainly has a passion for
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: the game, but he would play it. He he would
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: create a league on his farm and have the same passion.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: Honestly, have you seen have you seen have you guys
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: seen him most of you have? Have you seen the
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: highlights of Serbian basketball, like the professional Serbian League where
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: they play in these crowded gyms where they have like
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: road flares and fireworks going. They're like smoky, and they're
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: crazy and everyone they have the ultra fans that are
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: standing the whole time, and they have like these rocking
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: back and forth chants and it's like a hostile, weird environment.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: I think he would he would play there.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if the NBA was just like dude, he'd be like,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: all right, I already made enough money, I got my
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: horses by and he'd just go play there. Yeah, it's
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: a it's a weird deal with him specifically, I think
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: I think Wemby is like doing his best to be
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: the crossover star, and he's got kind of his brand
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: and things like that.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: But I also think he's just married to the game.
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: He's motivated by the competition and the wanting to be
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: the best.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: You know, who knows which is what you want? You
• 30:36
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• 30:38
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• 30:40
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• 30:45
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• 30:49
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• 32:25
  Speaker 9: How are you, sir, Sean?
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: I'm doing well. Thank you.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: All Star Weekend, NBA All Star Weekend, big ratings.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: I love what we saw from it. What was your reaction?
• 32:37
  Speaker 10: Sending also with a home run for the NBA one
• 32:40
  Speaker 10: was in La So whenever it's in a huge city
• 32:43
  Speaker 10: like La or in New York, it's really happening. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 10: the players in the All Star Game absolutely competed hard.
• 32:51
  Speaker 10: So there was some doubt about whether the players would
• 32:55
  Speaker 10: perform with intensity, and that was absolutely we saw a
• 32:59
  Speaker 10: first hand and that they did, and led by ironically
• 33:02
  Speaker 10: by the young fellas of the of the World team
• 33:06
  Speaker 10: Victor when Beyonmba was a huge factor in that, and
• 33:09
  Speaker 10: then also Anthony Edwards whose team won the one of
• 33:13
  Speaker 10: the title. As far as his team was called the
• 33:16
  Speaker 10: Stars and so they led the charge. They competed at
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: a high level and everyone else was ready.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: To go to So, Gordy the the competitiveness, do you
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: think it came more from the format, from the young guys,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: like you said, just kind of like getting the best
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: out of everyone else where?
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: Do you think that?
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: I guess reinjected competitiveness came from the.
• 33:43
  Speaker 10: Young fellas who happens in the NBA. It's almost like
• 33:46
  Speaker 10: a pecking order where the veterans they understand it's really
• 33:50
  Speaker 10: a long season, so they tried to and these All
• 33:53
  Speaker 10: Star type games just to hang out. It's phanemous, more
• 33:57
  Speaker 10: of a global branding for the young guys. They want
• 34:00
  Speaker 10: to prove themselves that they're equal, if not better than
• 34:03
  Speaker 10: the more established players. So the winning team was just
• 34:05
  Speaker 10: think about the winning team. It was a nicknamed The
• 34:08
  Speaker 10: Stars with Devin Brooker, Terse Maxi, Jalen Durham, Kate Cunningham,
• 34:13
  Speaker 10: Anthony Edwards, Scottie Bonnch, Jalen Johnson, and Chet Hungrin And
• 34:18
  Speaker 10: so all those guys are between twenty one and twenty
• 34:23
  Speaker 10: seven years old, and that's the eight list generation of
• 34:29
  Speaker 10: players that are going to the American players now that
• 34:32
  Speaker 10: are going to excel. And so they were ready for it.
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: And Anthony Edwards, you know, you can make a discussion.
• 34:37
  Speaker 10: He's a budding Kobe Bryant the way he plays the game,
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: but a lot of enthusiasm and he has passionate. He
• 34:45
  Speaker 10: led the team and he was voted the MVP of
• 34:48
  Speaker 10: the game, which ironically is shown the trophy is named
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: at the Kobe Bryant.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Is it sustainable, Gordy, Are we going to see this
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: be kind of the new norm for the NBA All
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Star Weekend?
• 35:00
  Speaker 10: Yes? Yeah, the answer is they might tweak it, maybe
• 35:04
  Speaker 10: twenty percent, but absolutely we'll see that because there's so
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: many great world players. I mean, Mamer Giannis didn't play
• 35:12
  Speaker 10: it also didn't play the Shae Jales, Alexander. I mean,
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: so Wembon was absolutely tremendous. And you know he's the
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: faith of the NBA, and so is Anthony Edwards and
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: other guys. To look at dantec Altho to the face
• 35:25
  Speaker 10: of the NBA. But the young players really were ready
• 35:28
  Speaker 10: to roll and they did. Let's give a quick recap
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: though the MVP of the game we mentioned Anthony Edwards.
• 35:34
  Speaker 10: The slim Duck contest winner was a mammy. He a
• 35:37
  Speaker 10: guy named Kayshawn Johnson, and he won one hundred and
• 35:40
  Speaker 10: five thousand dollars Seawan for as far as winning the
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: gun dunk contest, the three point shooting contest was led
• 35:47
  Speaker 10: by a former Weaver State great and Oakland native, Dame Lillard.
• 35:51
  Speaker 10: He wont fifty thousand dollars for it and made it
• 35:54
  Speaker 10: so interesting. He's coming up a left achilles surgery rehabbing,
• 35:58
  Speaker 10: so he hadn't really play that at all since last
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: April and be able to shoot like that and I'd
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: shootout with Devin Booker with sensational now he's he tis
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: Larry Broade and Craig Hodges as the only three time
• 36:10
  Speaker 10: winner of the three point shooting contest. Last point about
• 36:14
  Speaker 10: that he's now challenged Steph Curry the next year when
• 36:18
  Speaker 10: it's going to be in some Phoenix d All Star
• 36:20
  Speaker 10: Game and they have like a galaxy of all the
• 36:22
  Speaker 10: great shoots in the NBA all at one time played
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: in this. It's almost like Okay Corral Shootout in Phoenix
• 36:29
  Speaker 10: next year.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Lady Chase is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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• 36:37
  Speaker 4: how do you not that the NBA was struggling or
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: anything like that? But but how do you capitalize on
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: this All Star weekend positivity if you're the NBA. A
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: lot of the conversation leading up to this in the
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: media at least, was about tanking. How do you fix tanking?
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Utah Jazz are tanking this way and we don't like it.
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: The Pacers are tanking the other way. We're going to
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: ignore all the other teams that are tanking. And I
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: mean there's some serious negativity in a conversational standpoint around
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: the NBA. I don't know, I don't expect this weekend
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: to completely wash it away. But if you're the league,
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: if you're the players in the league, if you're the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: coaches in the league, how do you capitalize on the warm,
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: fuzzy feelings that your fans have for you? Right now?
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: I always have been talking about it by messaging that
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: the game was great the weekend. There were so many
• 37:27
  Speaker 10: compelling stories. It was a stand engagement to the extreme,
• 37:32
  Speaker 10: and everybody felt that it was the NBA with their
• 37:36
  Speaker 10: best foot forward. Now, remember it's a business. It's a
• 37:39
  Speaker 10: multi billion dollar business, and if you're NBC Sports and
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: the other partners as far as the media, that you
• 37:47
  Speaker 10: have to make money from this and they know that,
• 37:50
  Speaker 10: and so it's the messaging. That's how you present it
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: all the time. But the best message is about the
• 37:55
  Speaker 10: visualization how the players performed, because the players are the
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: talent and that's the most important thing. We never forget
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: that when you're coach in the NBA, where in the NFL,
• 38:05
  Speaker 10: the players are number one because without the talent, the
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: fans don't go to the game. And we all know that,
• 38:11
  Speaker 10: and that's why the players performed, and you have to
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: encourage them each year. Make it even more intense as
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: far as playing in the All Star Game, and yesteryear
• 38:21
  Speaker 10: it was a pride factor. Now it's more of an
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: element of price factor. But also now with the global
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: of the NBA, and now it's more of a foreign
• 38:33
  Speaker 10: versus Americans as far as who's better. It's an American game.
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: But in the early nineteen eighties that's when the foreign
• 38:39
  Speaker 10: players started everging, led by the NBA and led by
• 38:43
  Speaker 10: the college NBA coaches that taught those guys the game.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Gordy, give me a sense of now how the tone
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: in the locker room shifts post All Star weekend.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: You're heading down the home stretch.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: You know, your regular season games all get a little
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: bit more important things like that. Is there a market
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: shift for coaches and players now that the All Star
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: weekend is in the rear view?
• 39:08
  Speaker 10: Yes, very much. What's the first part about that is
• 39:12
  Speaker 10: that if you're a playoff bound team, it's accelerated. Is that,
• 39:17
  Speaker 10: as I say often rookies, you're a rookie until All
• 39:22
  Speaker 10: Star weekend, and after All Star weekend, the rookies that
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: play in a regular rotation for playoff bound teams, they
• 39:31
  Speaker 10: become first year players and now they're allies of the
• 39:35
  Speaker 10: veterans on the team. Before that there were rookies, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 10: now the veterans of those playoff bound teams, they want
• 39:42
  Speaker 10: those rookies, which now first year players, to play with
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: defensive urgency, be more physical, and understand crucial late game execution.
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: You're no longer a young fellow where we give you
• 39:55
  Speaker 10: a chance to ease in. We're heading to the playoffs
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: and we want you to be able to get onto
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: the court and help us. So it's absolutely accelerated and
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: the good teams they embrace that. Now the lesser teams
• 40:08
  Speaker 10: now comes that what you mentioned for about tanking, and
• 40:14
  Speaker 10: it's unfortunate because because the best way to get better
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: in the NBA is via through the draft, but it's
• 40:20
  Speaker 10: an unknown science and they yet to be very patient.
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: And that's what makes it so interesting. Where we know
• 40:27
  Speaker 10: it does work, you should actually under that and also
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: the first but it took the Charlotte Hornets many years
• 40:35
  Speaker 10: to do it. And so that's what the problem is.
• 40:38
  Speaker 10: That there's two forces. The teams that playoff teams they're
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: really fighting biting klawn to get a better seat. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 10: those eight teams basically that want to get in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 10: lottery to pick they believe a generational type player will
• 40:54
  Speaker 10: help their franchise quickly. Sean, he's the eight teams that
• 40:57
  Speaker 10: are probably quote tanking, Wizards, Pacers, Nets, Grizzlies, MAVs, Jazz, Pelicans,
• 41:07
  Speaker 10: and Kings. By the way, the Kings have lost fourteen
• 41:10
  Speaker 10: straight games, the mass have lost nine straight games, and
• 41:14
  Speaker 10: the Grizzies lost four straight games. And so that's an
• 41:17
  Speaker 10: illustration of those teams. Now, sometimes the players shown don't cooperate.
• 41:23
  Speaker 10: So if you're you're a guy playing in those games, hey,
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: I want to win. And that's when it gets interesting.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Those teams that you mentioned, Obviously the Jazz have been fined.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Will any of these other teams get fined for tanking
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: before the year's over?
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: Yes?
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: Yeah, they picked on the Jazz for some reason. Yeah,
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: I have a real problem with that. Why they was
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: on the need of the Jets. You could you could
• 41:47
  Speaker 10: pick those other eight seven or eight teams the same
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: the same fine. Also, So I wish up behind closed
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: doors to find out why it happened that way. So
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: the listeners right now, Shawnson, alluding to the Jazz, are
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: flying five hundred thousand dollars by the NBA for not
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: playing in the fourth quarter they're starters, which is such
• 42:11
  Speaker 10: a gray area. And also they find the paces one
• 42:14
  Speaker 10: hundred thousand dollars and so it's a it's a fine line, Sean.
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: And so now I don't I don't want the NBA
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: to tell the coach or a team who to play
• 42:25
  Speaker 10: in the fourth quarter. That's a bad dialogue to start
• 42:28
  Speaker 10: that process. So we'll see if how it all plays out.
• 42:32
  Speaker 10: No one knows the answer truly until it plays out,
• 42:35
  Speaker 10: and in much will be the Board of Governors meeting,
• 42:37
  Speaker 10: which means only owners are going to try to work
• 42:40
  Speaker 10: together and have some sort of commonality of how they
• 42:43
  Speaker 10: can fix this problem. Yet still understand the power of
• 42:48
  Speaker 10: the draft. If you draft the right guys as a
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: high draft pick, it really helps your franchise to accelerate
• 42:55
  Speaker 10: to winning. So we jumple on Jazz Basketball. But they
• 42:58
  Speaker 10: picked less less your Ace Bailey. You get the feeling
• 43:01
  Speaker 10: that aish Billy has the potential and he's only nineteen
• 43:03
  Speaker 10: years old, but he has the upside to be an
• 43:07
  Speaker 10: absolutely tremendous NBA player. He could be an All Star
• 43:11
  Speaker 10: because he has enough talent as far as the bounciness
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: and to developed his ball skills to be an All
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: Star someday, and so you're picking guys like that in
• 43:21
  Speaker 10: the draft, will say of a three or four year period,
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: you get it right. So we'll say most of the
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: time your team will be in the playoffs in their future.
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: And again that was disposed right now. Where the Spurs
• 43:34
  Speaker 10: that Sean had picked unbelievable as far as in the draft.
• 43:38
  Speaker 10: And Wen BEYONMD is always the people always talking about
• 43:41
  Speaker 10: Wen bymb but all the time, and they should. But
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: also they picked Stephen Cassel as the the second at
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: the fourth pick back in two thousand and twenty four,
• 43:51
  Speaker 10: and Dylan Harper last year at the second pick also,
• 43:54
  Speaker 10: and also picked Calvin Johnson in the first round in
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: twenty nineteen, and so they have a lot of other
• 44:02
  Speaker 10: picks beside Wen BEYONBA and that's why now they're sitting
• 44:05
  Speaker 10: in the Western Conference as the second best record thirty
• 44:10
  Speaker 10: eight and sixteen, and members Sean last year the Spurs
• 44:14
  Speaker 10: were thirty four and forty eight. So the Spurs have
• 44:17
  Speaker 10: more wins right now with twenty seven games left than
• 44:21
  Speaker 10: he did last year the whole season.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: What's your list today, Gordy?
• 44:26
  Speaker 10: My list today, Sean is about some by Chris Paul.
• 44:30
  Speaker 10: Chris Paul retired after twenty one unbelievable seasons in the NBA.
• 44:35
  Speaker 10: List today is the most Korea regular season games won
• 44:41
  Speaker 10: by an individual player, most career wins regular season by
• 44:45
  Speaker 10: individual player. Now, a player needs teammates to win games,
• 44:50
  Speaker 10: and so it's a short list of only twelve names.
• 44:54
  Speaker 10: What is so of the attributes and intangibles required to
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: be to be a Korea w winner. One you have
• 45:01
  Speaker 10: to be impact with yourself for your scoring, assisting and rebounding.
• 45:06
  Speaker 10: Two you have to maintain superior condition and core strength.
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: Three you have to have a youthful a youthful mental
• 45:14
  Speaker 10: focus like I say Lebron James, a mental focus as
• 45:18
  Speaker 10: a as a youthful person. Four grateful to have other
• 45:22
  Speaker 10: talented sidekicks to help you win. And five you're blessed
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: to have only one or none career and enduring surgeries
• 45:31
  Speaker 10: meaning injuries, and so you have to be remain healthy
• 45:35
  Speaker 10: your whole career. Here we go, Number eleventh all time
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: in most Korea wins. It's a tie Kobe Bryant and
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: Cliff Robinson. They both have eight hundred and thirty sixth
• 45:47
  Speaker 10: career wins. Cliff Robbins played in the NBA for eighteen years.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: Kobe played in the NBA with the Lakers for twenty years.
• 45:54
  Speaker 10: Number ten all time Derek Fisher eight hundred and fifty
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: three wins in eighteen seasons. Number nine Chris Paul just retired.
• 46:03
  Speaker 10: He had eight hundred and fifty five Korea wins in
• 46:06
  Speaker 10: twenty one brilliant seasons. Number eight Tony Parker eight hundred
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: and ninety two wins in eighteen seasons with the Spurs,
• 46:15
  Speaker 10: seventeen and one with the Charlotte Hornets. Number seven, Dirk
• 46:19
  Speaker 10: Nowitzki nine hundred and sixteen wins with the Dallas Mavericks
• 46:24
  Speaker 10: twenty one seasons. Number six cal Ma Malone all time,
• 46:28
  Speaker 10: nine hundred and fifty two wins in nineteen seasons, eighteen
• 46:33
  Speaker 10: years with the Jazz, one year with the Lakers. Number
• 46:36
  Speaker 10: five all time John Stockton nine hundred and fifty three wins,
• 46:43
  Speaker 10: nineteen incredible seasons with the Jazz. Number four all time
• 46:48
  Speaker 10: Tim Duncan one thousand and one win in nineteen seasons
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: with the Spurs. Number three all time, Robert Parrish Oney
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: fourteen and twenty one seasons, the second greatest winner of
• 47:04
  Speaker 10: all time regular season is Lebron James one thousand and
• 47:08
  Speaker 10: thirty one Korea wins in twenty three seasons and spoke counting.
• 47:13
  Speaker 10: And the number one player for most wins ever in
• 47:15
  Speaker 10: an NBA Korea regular season is Kareem Abdul Jabbar one
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: thousand and seventy four. So Lebron's going to break that
• 47:24
  Speaker 10: record of Kareem if he plays next season, whatever team,
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: whether the Lakers or not. Thus that's my list of
• 47:34
  Speaker 10: today all the Korea greatest winners. So jessup two players
• 47:38
  Speaker 10: in there, Karl Malone and John Stockton.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: You mentioned Lebron, he's been pretty noncommittal about his future plans.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: Do you think he plays next year?
• 47:48
  Speaker 11: I do?
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: But the question of Sean is where that's the question.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: So it's going to be drawn out, I get, especially
• 47:56
  Speaker 10: in the playoffs. So I just say the Lakers. Remember
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: the Lakers, they have a playoff type team that's built,
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: and so Luca Dante and Lebron and Austin Reeves they've
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: only played together ten games so far this season this
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: ten games total, and the Lakers right the Lakers right
• 48:15
  Speaker 10: now are the fifth seed, and so they should be
• 48:18
  Speaker 10: able to get minimum into the second round and then
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: we'll see how it plays out Lebron's career, how he
• 48:27
  Speaker 10: feels about his team, et cetera. I know it's not
• 48:29
  Speaker 10: about money totally. Always it always is somewhat, but the
• 48:32
  Speaker 10: Lebron's case is not totally. It's the right fit to
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: try to get another championship. So it's going to be interesting.
• 48:38
  Speaker 10: And the Lebron type players at the end of their career,
• 48:42
  Speaker 10: they're always trying to get as money wins as they can,
• 48:45
  Speaker 10: as far as to go deep in the playoffs to
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: get that magical Another ring.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: Right now, that's Gordy Gays. That brought to you by
• 48:53
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• 48:56
  Speaker 4: as he remains the best in the business as an
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: end and center. Thanks again, Gordy.
• 49:02
  Speaker 10: Thanks showing peace out. Stay well.
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: All right, I'm very very excited about the Hot Lunch Today.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: We have a new Hot Lunch sponsor, a new restaurant,
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Burger Fusion. Trolley Square is my jam. Burgers are my jam.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: This is like a combination of two of my favorite
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: things in Salt Lake City. Burger Fusion coming in. We'll
• 49:21
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  Speaker 4: M all right, welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Shaw,
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the Hot Lunch. Now's the time for you
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: to take a couple of minutes at work. Fire up
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  Speaker 4: the YouTube feed if it's not already going, so you
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: could see what Burger Fusion, new sponsor of the Hot Lunch,
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: has brought in today for our I will say our
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: mutual enjoyment, but really it's for my enjoy because all
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: of you just get to look at it. Mike Jardine
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: kind enough to come in here and tell us about
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: Burger Fusion just open a couple months ago at Trolley Square,
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: right behind the trolley itself, kind of the middle of
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: that whole Trolley Square complex. They have the trolley out
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: there and the storefronts that are what they would be
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: south facing around the corner from the front door of
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: Whole Foods, that's where you can find Burger Fusion. I'm
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: holding it up to the camera right now chee roy
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: alberger and one that Mike described for me off air
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: that I'm very very excited about this Capraise a burger
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: in honor of the Olympics. Being in Italy, I'm seeing
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: and smelling a little balsamic on this thing.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: First of all, Mike, well, come in, how.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Are you good man?
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: Thanks for having me in.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you being part of the show. Let's
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: let's start with this burger, the special Olympic burger you made.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: So that Capraise a Burger is is our burger the week.
• 50:52
  Speaker 12: We like to introduce something new each week, get people
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: coming back, and in honor of the Olympics, we.
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: Did at case a burger.
• 50:58
  Speaker 12: So it's basically as a salad with a burger, great combination.
• 51:03
  Speaker 12: Everyone who's tried it basically just describes it as a
• 51:06
  Speaker 12: fresh burger.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: The cheese roy alis. This is kind of like your
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: staple burger.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, cheese, caramelized onions, tomato slaw, and a nice looking patty.
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 51:16
  Speaker 12: So that patty is something we're really proud of. We
• 51:19
  Speaker 12: we source that from r in our ranch and Snake
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: River Farms in Idaho.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Oh nice.
• 51:23
  Speaker 12: So it's a combination of chuck for an r in
• 51:25
  Speaker 12: our ranch, and then American Wagoo from Snake River Farms.
• 51:29
  Speaker 12: So it's a juicy patty oh Man, good quality beef.
• 51:33
  Speaker 12: And then I have a little I call it burger juice,
• 51:35
  Speaker 12: which my family doesn't love the name, but that's what
• 51:37
  Speaker 12: it does. It makes the burger juice here that I
• 51:40
  Speaker 12: put in with that before we make it into patties,
• 51:42
  Speaker 12: and so it's a it's actually a very good taste.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: That like your Is that like your proprietary secret? Is
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: that the thing that separates you? Yeah?
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: I can't share that with anybody.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: You know what, That's fine, I can't. Burgers are my thing.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: This is, if you know, last meal, kind of like
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: death row thing. I'm getting burger Man. Yeah. And both
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: of these things are making my mouth water right now.
• 52:04
  Speaker 4: If you're hearing me described by the way the Cheese
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Royale or the Capreese Burger and you're just like, I
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: don't know, Yeah, they'll sound okay. They've got the Velvet
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Smoke Show, which has peanut butter berry jam, bacon, caramelized onions,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: hot honey pickles, and slaw.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna need one of those at some point, Mike.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna all.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: Be coming this week. I'm kind of leading up to that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: One that that sounds great.
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: The blue Ribbon burger they got the Murlow Reserve with
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: bellavetonnel cheese is my favorite cheese.
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: Oh man, it's so good.
• 52:33
  Speaker 12: That one's based on an appetizer that I like to
• 52:35
  Speaker 12: do with the rosemary cracker and apple slice, a fresh
• 52:38
  Speaker 12: basil leaf and some pepper jelly.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: So good. I mean, I'm going down the whole menu
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: right now, and I'm gonna save some of it because
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: you're gonna keep coming in this week. But looking at
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: all of these burgers, in every ingredient you put on
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: these burgers, it's all stuff that speaks to me.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: So where did this come from?
• 52:57
  Speaker 13: You?
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: You have a background in food service, you and your wife.
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: If we're in the soda shop game for a while.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Why burgers? I don't know.
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: I've always loved burgers.
• 53:05
  Speaker 12: I always got my own meat, and I would grind
• 53:07
  Speaker 12: my own meat and just started creating different burgers just
• 53:11
  Speaker 12: to be different. Then it came up with like the
• 53:13
  Speaker 12: burger juice to put in it and make it a
• 53:15
  Speaker 12: little more savory. So I was finally like, you know what,
• 53:19
  Speaker 12: I just keep making all these burgers for friends, I
• 53:22
  Speaker 12: need to open a place and make them come pay
• 53:25
  Speaker 12: for them.
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: So how's the goal?
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: All right, Well, we're gonna come pay for him too.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Burger Fusion is right there in the center of the
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Trolley Square complex. It's at Trolley Square, around the corner
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: from the front dooral Whole Foods, right behind the trolley itself.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: You've also got sweets on the menu here. It's some beignets,
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: some bread pudding.
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: Yeah, so we make all of our buns homemade in house,
• 53:46
  Speaker 12: and so I take the leftover buns and make a
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: homemade bread pudding out of them. And then we have
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: beignets that are stuffed with one with cookie butter, which
• 53:56
  Speaker 12: is you know, bisc off, one with hazel nut, one
• 53:59
  Speaker 12: with chocolate and car on, one with raspberry. So and
• 54:02
  Speaker 12: then our our appetizers. Everything we do is cooked and
• 54:05
  Speaker 12: beef talow. So it just tastes a little, you know, fresher,
• 54:09
  Speaker 12: it doesn't You don't get that oily taste with all
• 54:11
  Speaker 12: the appetizers and the desserts, and so, yeah, it's a
• 54:15
  Speaker 12: great combination.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: He also brought us some onion rings and some fries.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: But maybe what I'm most intrigued about here. I'm a
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: big sauce guy and the assortment of sauces. You brought
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: me all of your available dipping sauces here.
• 54:27
  Speaker 12: Which I actually didn't quite bring them all. Oh wow,
• 54:30
  Speaker 12: I got to save a few. But I'm I'm a
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: sauce guy. I'd love to come up with different sauces too.
• 54:35
  Speaker 12: The sweet chili aoli, which I'll bring the fried pickles
• 54:38
  Speaker 12: in later this week.
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: It's phenomenal with that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 12: The mozzarella squares go great with that garlic palm sauce
• 54:43
  Speaker 12: you see there.
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: The hob and arrow sauce.
• 54:46
  Speaker 12: It's one that it's not too spicy, but it's got
• 54:48
  Speaker 12: a little kick, but it doesn't stick with you your whole meal,
• 54:50
  Speaker 12: So that one's actually really good too. But you'll always
• 54:53
  Speaker 12: see sauces in the shop, and we'll have a very
• 54:56
  Speaker 12: good variety of man.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I'm very excited, bur is one of the new friends
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: of the Hot Lunch dipping sauces. You got ranch barbecue, honeybourbon, mango, habnio,
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: sweet chili, a oly, garlic parmesan, good old fashioned tangy
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: utah fry sauce, and regular utah fry sauce.
• 55:14
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and every time I am out talking to people,
• 55:17
  Speaker 12: I'm like, guys, you gotta try something besides fry sauce.
• 55:19
  Speaker 7: I know you love it. I know it's good, but
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: there's other options out there. Give them a try.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: Look, I am all the way in on burger Fusion
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: before I've even had a bite. Beef tallo for your appetizers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: And of course these incredible burgers, very clearly well thought
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: thought out, with the the sourcing of the beat, and
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: of course these flavor combinations. Man, I mean just reading
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: this menu is making me so hungry.
• 55:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's I enjoy I mean I love doing it.
• 55:46
  Speaker 12: I love having people come in try it, trying flavors
• 55:50
  Speaker 12: they've never tried before. You know, we've had people call
• 55:53
  Speaker 12: us a millennial burger spot, which I've decided to take
• 55:56
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  Speaker 7: Otherwise why I do it?
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  Speaker 4: Well, people know the burger shop I've been most loyal
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  Speaker 3: Now that by itself is enough.
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  Speaker 4: As Mike from Burger Fusion was leaving, he said, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: these fries. We do it in beef talo which so good,
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  Speaker 4: excellent crisp on it, great flavor.
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  Speaker 3: But also.
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  Speaker 4: He got this special container that has these little vents
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  Speaker 4: in it again holding it up for the uh for
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 9: Uh you know, I'm okay.
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  Speaker 6: What an emotional weekend that was, and uh you know,
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  Speaker 6: so I'm I'm doing all right.
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  Speaker 4: Emotional weekend for anyone close to BYU basketball. For the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: obvious reason that Richie Saunders who's been one of the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: more beloved guys in the program, especially recently. His season
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: is over, and you hope his career is not over.
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  Speaker 4: But we'll see what that decision making process looks like
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  Speaker 4: relative to his opportunities to go pro and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: But in a win against Colorado, you still feel like
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  Speaker 4: you came away with a loss because Richie Saunder's season
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  Speaker 4: is done, which obviously hurts your long term prospects. Just
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  Speaker 4: tell me how you're processing this right now, JT.
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  Speaker 6: Well, so Sean, let me actually take a step back,
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  Speaker 6: right because you know, you it was also Jimmer's jersey
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  Speaker 6: retireing ceremony, and you know, I've been close with Jim
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  Speaker 6: or and his family since two thousand and six when
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  Speaker 6: he came to BYU and our recruiting trimp and and
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: so you know, uh, let's you know, let's roll it back.
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  Speaker 6: We wind back to Friday, where you know, we had
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  Speaker 6: kind of a dinner, kind of a you know, a
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  Speaker 6: little ceremony for family and close friends and you know,
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  Speaker 6: a few teammates and and it was just awesome being there,
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  Speaker 6: you know, seeing people that haven't seen any years, you know,
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  Speaker 6: saw a couple of teammates on mine that I hadn't
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  Speaker 6: seen it since I pretty much came back from Europe
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  Speaker 6: and and so so start with that, right, start with
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  Speaker 6: that process off, start with that process, off the emotional
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  Speaker 6: side of things.
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  Speaker 11: And then you know, moved.
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  Speaker 6: Into Saturday, right and all of the emotions, and I
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  Speaker 6: got to be in the arena before the game and
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  Speaker 6: seeing a sea of white shirts and then Saturday and
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  Speaker 6: then right before the ceremony and the game starts and
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  Speaker 6: to your point, you know, within two like less than
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  Speaker 6: you know, a minute, Richie gets hurt and it does
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  Speaker 6: don't look good.
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  Speaker 9: And it's by himself, and uh, and then a.
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  Speaker 6: Half and so we're concerned about Richie. And then at
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  Speaker 6: halftime it's a Jimmers retired you know, Jersey retirement ceremony.
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  Speaker 6: You know, more emotions, and then the game goes to
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  Speaker 6: overtime against Colorado, and uh, you know, buy you gave
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  Speaker 6: them all the chances to tie the game and win
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  Speaker 6: the game, but you know, Colorado just wasn't so I
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: didn't have enough on their tank to do it.
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  Speaker 9: And then the news drop.
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  Speaker 6: Saturday night, you know, and I knew it obviously, because
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  Speaker 6: you know, I'm close to the program that you know
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  Speaker 6: it was a c L, and they were worried that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: it was gonna be a c L and named cl.
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  Speaker 6: But you know, and so since pretty much Saturday.
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  Speaker 9: Like midnight, just being gutted, right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, Richie to your point, Sean, I'll wrap up
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  Speaker 6: you know the question with this, I dare to say
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  Speaker 6: that Richie, most likely at this point in time is
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  Speaker 6: the last of the true collegiate athlete that stays with
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  Speaker 6: a team for four years. We saw him grow, we
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  Speaker 6: saw him develop, we saw him improve, we saw him
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  Speaker 6: through downs, we saw him get back up, we saw
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  Speaker 6: through the highs, and we saw him go from you know,
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  Speaker 6: a solid recruit recruit to a POTENTI showed NBA draft
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  Speaker 6: pick and so a sea of emotions, you know, very
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 6: much surrounding surrounding the basketball programs as we team.
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  Speaker 4: So for this team to excel without Richie, what does
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  Speaker 4: it look like?
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  Speaker 3: How do you have to fill in the blanks?
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  Speaker 4: Cause we've talked really all year long, as this season
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: has taken shape about how man, you've got these stars
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  Speaker 4: in the lineup and that starting lineup when they're humming
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: there as good as anybody. But then the depth took
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: a hit and you have come on multiple times and said,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: some of these guys that are on the bench, we
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: thought they'd be bigger contributors and they're just not really
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: coming through right now. Now you got to lean on
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: those guys a little bit more. So, what what does
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  Speaker 4: it look like for this team to try to compensate
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  Speaker 4: for the absence of such a good player in Richie Sanders.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: Well, they went from you know, the Three Musketeers to
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 6: now truly going, you know into Batman and Robin, Batman
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: and Superman, Kobe and Scheck, you know, Michael and Scottie.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you name it, right, I mean, you go away,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: you know, Sean and James, I mean whatever, whatever you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: guys want to call it, right, I mean, it's going
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: to be the A, J and Rob right, the Third Show, right,
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  Speaker 6: and so and I think at this point in time,
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  Speaker 6: what you do is you there's a couple of things
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  Speaker 6: that I would do if I was getting paid, you know,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: the millions of dollars of the coaching staff. Is there's
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 6: two paths that I would take. The first path is
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: I would actually start Alexei Coastage because he knocked down
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: a big three, you know, in the late in the
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: game on Saturday, and I would say, you know, Alexey,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 6: you're the greatest thing since ice bread. Forget about Patrovitch,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 6: forget about Tony Kukoch or Krasimirchosich. It's Alexey's world and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: we all live in it. And I would try to,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 6: you know, put him up on a pedestal like he
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: can do no wrong, either him or Tyler Murross right,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: one of the two transfers, and I would say.
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  Speaker 11: Tyler, you're the greatest Tyler we've ever had.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 6: We never heard of Tyler ros the Tyler Halls that never.
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  Speaker 11: That doesn't matter. Now you're the man.
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  Speaker 6: I would figure out a way to put one of
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  Speaker 6: these two dudes on a pedestal and just pump him
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: up with with confidence because they're just not shooting the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: ball well right now. And as a shooter, I can
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 6: tell you that all you need is just to see
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: one go in and maybe that sparks that confidence. The
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 6: other thing that I would do is potentially go with Hadeem,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 6: who is a more physical guy on the lineup, and
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 6: say good luck. You now have to figure out a
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: way to be you know, the you know, Bruce Bowen
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: two point zero, Kawhi Lonyard on defense, and we need
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: Dennis Rodman on offense. And now, now is there a
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: fair thing to ask for a freshman, definitely not. But Sean,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 6: this team has now a handful of guys plus Kebba
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: that are dealing with season ending injuries. Nate Pickens was
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: supposed to be the backup point guard, done for the year.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: Brodi cus Lost was supposed to be the backup four
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: men and knock down three pointers.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 11: Done for the year. Dawson Baker was supposed to be.
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  Speaker 9: The sixth man for this team.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 14: Done for the year.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 6: Xavion Stanton was supposed to be a backup, the backup
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 6: big right, and then they went out and that to
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: get Beato because you know he was injury prone. And
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 6: now Richie Saunders with an ACL injury, and then Caba
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: has been dealing with a hand injury, as Kevin Young
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 6: acknowledged on the post game on Saturday. And so by
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: you know, fort Minors said, you know it's ten percent luck, right.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 14: I mean team percents kill.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 11: You know, like power of.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 6: Will you know, a little bit of pleasure and the
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 6: rest of it is pain. And so I mean, Mike Goodness,
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: this BYU team.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 11: So that has been plagued by injuries.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 6: But again, when you have the number one recruit in
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: a country, I am going to go on an irrational
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: confidence and say, Ajd Bonce is going to lead these
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: guys to a Sweet sixteen. I know it's a crazy
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: thing to say, but you know, like repeat chieved, the
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 6: Little Rats in Narnia says, we have nothing, It's not believe?
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  Speaker 3: Is that enough?
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: A Sweet sixteen for a squad that came in with
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: as much hype as any team in the Big twelve
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: and almost any team in the country right now? Now,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: given the context of everything you just went through, a
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: decimated roster, losing somebody as important as Richie Saunders, a
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 4: Sweet sixteen run would be I think a pretty remarkable feat.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: But relative to the early season expectations, will it be
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: considered enough?
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  Speaker 11: And I think that.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: I think that's the key word that you literally just
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 6: said right there. Given the context, if Richie was involved,
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: I would say getting to the Elite eight would.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 14: Have been the minimum, right. I don't know about going to.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 6: The Final four, but going to the Elite eight would
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: have been maximizing their ceiling of like ninety nine point
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: nine percent, right, kind of like on top of Maverick
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: when just when he gets to like, you know, the ten,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: he goes, I'm gonna go a little bit more and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: everything blows up. And so but given the context, if
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: this team gets to the sweet sixteen, I consider, you know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: a marvel in terms of BYU basketball accomplishments, because my gosh,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: you know, deja that've been to your point, Seawn, they've
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: been depleted due to injuries.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: So in a situation like this, in the system that
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: we all live in right now, right, I mean, I
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: hear a lot more from the Utah fan than I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: do the BYU fan, And the Utah fans right now
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: in basketball world are seeing a really really tough season unfold,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: and they're also looking at it and like, well, how
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 4: are we going to catch up with Kansas and by
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: you and all these these people are spending so much money.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: If it doesn't bear fruit when you make this kind
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: of financial emotional resource investment, I mean, they put a
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: lot of energy into this roster in particular, and if
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: it doesn't bear meaningful fruit in terms of a conference
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: championship or a deep run in the tournament, is there
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: buyer's remorse there? Or is it like a Hey, well
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: we just got unlucky. We got to do it all
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: again and maybe add even more to the to the investment.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: So perception is reality, and the perception, given the context,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: will be that you know, these guys unfortunately had you know,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: a wave of bad luck. And I think that's a
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: fair team is saying, now, you know, two things can
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: be true at the same time, Sean. You know, there
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 6: can be a little bit of buyer's remorse and there
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 6: can also be the fact that you know, maybe you
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: have to try this again one more time.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 14: I just don't know if Biu is going to.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: Land back to back a player of AJ's magnitude right there.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: Talks about Buiu recruiting some high level you know, five
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: star McDonald's all American recruits right now, but it's kind
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: of not the same lens as a J de Bonds.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: I mean, AJ has been talked as you know, one
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 6: of the greatest you know, potential players in quite some time,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: you know, and and so well, by you ever lent
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: another player of that magnitude, I'll say this, they can
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: get another a J before that before there we ever
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 6: see another gymmer.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 11: And this is not a.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 9: Knock on a J.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: But you know, like a lot of the stars had
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: had to align for for BYU to get a J
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 6: to get this team, And so I think that I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: think that this is one of those things that you
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: have to you have to have a little bit of both,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: where you know, we have to invest like this again
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: to win at this level again. And at the same time,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: you're like, geez, we spend almost twenty million dollars on
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: this roster. You know, like, how much is it going
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 6: to be enough to be able to get to this
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: point again?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 4: Because he brought up Jimmer again, you know, it's it's
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: not a fair thing to do when you look back
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: at someone who had a career pre NIL and say, oh,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: what would that guy have made? But jim Er would
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: have he would have broken the internet. He did break
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: the internet. He would have been able to cash in
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: on breaking the internet. Look, you would have made good money.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: A lot of the BYU football guys would have made
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: good make good money. But for I would say that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: of everyone we've seen come through this state at either
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: School Utah or BYU, jim Or would have been the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: biggest NIL athlete that we've ever seen or had. And
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: he would have been like pushing for the biggest nationally.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: Oh I you know, I will say this. You know,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: it wouldn't surprised me if Jimmer, you know, by the
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: end of his junior year would have gotten you know,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: three or four million dollars in nil Now, I will
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: say that everything happened in the middle of his senior year.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 11: And what I can.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: Tell you is, you know, in terms of commercials and
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: that sort of thing, Yeah, Jimmer would have pushed over
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: ten million easily. Oh my goodness. I mean everything he
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 6: was doing, KD tweeting that he was the greatest scorer.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: In the world, and you know, nally.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Talking about him, and you know, if that was a
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: little bit of a bus now, you know, take this
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 6: with a grain of salt, right, but there was a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: little bit of buzz nationally last year with Richie and
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: you know the whole thing about Dater talks, right, yeah,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: and so like it wasn't Jim or asked, but it
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 6: was a little bit right, it was kind of tiptoeing
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: on the national waters if he if Richie got that,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 6: can you imagine the amount of money that Jimmer would
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: have made in February, in March, in April, around the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: NCAA Tournament.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 11: It would have been wild.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: It would have been one of those things that we
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 4: saw with the College Football Playoff, where you know, Trinidad
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: Chambliss was on commercials that played during the breaks of
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 4: games that he was playing in. You would have had
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: that exact same thing with Jimmer where you're watching Jim
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: or play for BYU, they cut to commercial for a
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: TV timeout and there's Jimmer, like in a McDonald's or
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: Sprite commercial or something like that.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's it was surreal.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 6: You know. And at the beginning of the season, the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 6: season Seawan, I had a back and forth, you know,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 6: with another media member where I said, if YU got
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 6: to the final four and aj is leading the charge
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: to be the name Smith Player of the Year, that
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: would reach bigger heights than Jim er Mania.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 11: Did I will say? And I don't.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say that this.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 6: Is Buyer or Byers remorse none at all, but I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: would say that would I could as should have, right,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: this is just one of those things that I don't think,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 6: you know, even be unless by U somehow gets to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: the elite age. I don't think that this year's team,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's going to top what we saw
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 6: in twenty eleven with with Jim Ermania.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: Before I let you go, what do you expect from
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: this team against Arizona. I mean that's a they're not
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: the number one team in the country anymore, but they're
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: still really dang good. And that's the next test for
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: this BYU squad.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I you know what what a relaxing week for
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: BUYU playing against you know, playing at number four and
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: then at home against number six. So you know, let's
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: talk about strong emotions. You know, right after you just
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: had you know, arguably your your senior leader and captain
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: and you know, the face of your program.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 11: Uh be done for the season.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 6: And so I think the Arizona game will be a
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 6: little bit difficult, mainly because you know, b YU didn't
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 6: adjust to Arizona until the end of the game, and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of it had to do with
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 6: emotional push, right. So I actually see BYU losing to
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 6: Arizona by probably about fifteen or.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: Twenty on the road.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 11: I do see them beating iowall.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: Stayed at home.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: I think it's going to be an emotional game. I
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: think the Marriott Center is going to get involved, is
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: going to.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 9: Get loud, It's going to get you know.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 14: I think fans will.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 6: Push for that, you know. And and I will say this,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 6: if they kicked me out of the game, they kicked
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: me out of the game. But if there is a
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 6: TV time out of the and the crowd is quiet,
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: I'm telling you here, I'm going to go to half
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 6: court and start getting Cosmo with me and start going
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 6: get up and get sharing because BYU needs that game.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: BYU hasn't had.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: A marquee win this year, and you know what better
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: way to have the marquee win, you know pretty much,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: you know, a month before NCAA tournament, beating the number
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 6: sixteen in the country at home. And so it's a
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: big week for YU. I don't think it's a I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: don't think it's a make or break week from y U.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: But if if if they don't, I don't want to
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 6: say that, if they don't win against Iowa Stay at home,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 6: I was lost. But I feel like winning against Iowa
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 6: State can have a massive significant impact on this season
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: in a very positive way to a team that is
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: desperate to to get some good news.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 4: Have we heard the last of the bleep? The Mormon's chance.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 11: You know. So I will say this, right, and.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 6: I I kind of have dick skin about this stuff
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: because when I was to go to Air Force, when
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 6: I used to go to.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 9: Wyoming, you know, I used to hear, you know.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 6: He's a league, go get a visa.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 11: You know, let's the poort him.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 6: I heard all of that, you know, And I actually give.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 14: A lot of credit to Utah things.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 6: You know. I actually had a brother in law that
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: gave my picture, my wife's picture, to the and basically
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: they didn't say anything in appropriate, right, But nonetheless, you know,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 6: they did use that, you know, my senior year. But
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: it was all respectful, right. And and that's why I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: don't have beef against Utah fans unless someone and you
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: have radicals on both sides of the rivalries, I have
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: no problem whatsoevery someone's to.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 11: Say, you know, as b y U.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 9: Or you know, as the Cougars, I have no problem
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 9: with that.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 11: Now, you know, Brian.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: Santiago and Shane Reese and you know President Dallan eighth
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: chokes off the LDS Church probably would say, Johnathan, don't
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: say that. But yeah, right on the context of sport,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: I'm okay with them. Saying at this school.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 14: My issue becomes when you say as the Mormons.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 6: And here's why, as a former Catholic, I have never
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 6: heard in my life asked the Catholics.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 11: My wife worked very closely with the with.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: The Muslim community because of her of her career, educational choice.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: My wife has never heard as the Muslims in a
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 6: public setting. So why is it okay at the Mormons.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 6: I don't care what the reason is. You don't hear
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 6: as the Jews, and so unfortunately, I don't.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 9: Think we've heard the last of it.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 11: We've heard the last of it.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: I think it will be said again and again. Say
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 6: asked b y ui one say ask JT. For all
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 6: I care, but I would definitely keep religion out of this.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: Well that's that's how I feel about I think that's
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: the reasonable attitude toward it, and hopefully the Big Twelve
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: can figure out a way to penalize it. I'm not
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: even a member of the LEDs Church, and I probably
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: get more bothered by it than you do, JT. Because
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: because of all the things that you just said, like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: you don't you.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 3: Don't have to.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 4: You could talk as much trash as you want, all right,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: don't bring people's family into it, don't bring people's religion
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: into it. And you can say whatever you want. And
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: that's just kind of like my stance on it. But
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: we'll see how it plays.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, And I say with this, you know, like obviously,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 6: you know, I wasn't happy when you.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 9: Know, my brother in law gave my my wife's.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: Pictures and again, these are pictures on a blog, right,
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: you know, kind of blogging about our family and our
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 6: adventures and early in our marriage. And you know, I
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: wasn't happy about it. I'm not happy about it. He
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: knows it, and whenever it comes up, he knows it.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 6: And I let him know it, you know.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 14: But with that being.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 11: Said, I get it. I get when you.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 6: Say different things, and but you know, religion and you know,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: anything like that to me is a big no no.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 14: And so when it comes with the territory, right, they don't.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 6: Say things to people they they they like or you know,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 6: if you know, could it be looking at something like hey,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 6: this is you know, this should be a symbol of
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 6: we're really good. I think there are the ways that
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: you can bother people without insulting them that way.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of it. Olympic I was watching the giant
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  Speaker 4: slalom the other day, all right, and the Swiss, the
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  Speaker 4: Swiss and the men's giant slalom were one, two and
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  Speaker 4: three in the standings going into the final run of
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  Speaker 4: the giant slalom, which, as all of you know as
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  Speaker 4: the Swiss, we're gonna go one, two, three, sweet the
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  Speaker 4: podium and then up on the up on the top
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  Speaker 4: of the hill at the starting gate waiting for the
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  Speaker 4: deep deep DD.
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  Speaker 3: Is a Brazilian.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: And I should ask Jonathan Tabernari about this, but to
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: my knowledge, there's like one mountain peak in the whole
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: nation of Brazil that gets snow on it. Sometimes Brazil
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: wins the gold Did you see this race?
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: I missed the race, but I did hear about it.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, you know, we all think of cool runnings
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: this time of year, if you if you're a fan
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: of that movie. Kind of a kind of a cliche
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: that at that point, but it almost feels like when
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: the Jamaicans first field of a bob sled team right,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: It's like the Brazilian.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Guy won the skiing won the skiing event, but what
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: the gold His name is Lucas Pinero Broughton.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, shout out jp B.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: Of course, never lpbs.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: Never before has anyone from South America even won a
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 4: medal in the Winter Olympics. The entire continent was over
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: in the Winter Olympics. It's interesting because they do have
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: big mountain range just down there. Chile's got big mountains,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: but Peru's got big, tall mountains.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: But I don't think it snows on top of them
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: very often.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe not a lot of snow, or maybe just
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 5: not not big skiers of snowboarders.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know. Anyway, So I was all excited about
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: this because you know, we have a large Brazilian community
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: and you ta and like there's a ton of Brazilians
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 4: in the MMA world. I was just like, what a
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: wild thing. And then this is what bugs me. Man,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: he's actually Norwegian.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: Ah, he lives in Brazil, but he's Norwegian.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: No, his mom's from Brazil, so he gets to ski
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: for Brazil. I've had this in the topic the notes, James.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: You've seen me gloss over it like I don't know
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: how to feel about competing for a nation that is
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: not actually your nation.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: It's like a loophole, you know what I mean.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 4: It's all my grandma's from there, all my parents are
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: from there, and in the case of some athletes, they
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: do it for commercial opportunities. Eileen Gou, who is an
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: American Bay Area she has competed for China, not because
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: it's easier to make the Chinese team. She's like good
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: enough to win gold medal like this guy did.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, she she was one of the best when she
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 5: she started on the on you a USA skiing as
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: a as an amateur, and she was one of the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: best on the USA team coming up.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: She would have won.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: She would have won the medals for the US and
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: then decided to go compete for her mother's home country
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 4: of China.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: She at least lived there for for a little bit
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: and she's spent time part of every year.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: Far be it from me.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to tell you not to identify with
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: the the you know, nation where your parents are from.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, for me, would I It's not
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: even possible because my Irish roots go so far back,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: But would I if I was like, I was not
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: good enough to make the US team, but I was
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: good enough to make the Irish team, and something, would
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: I want to represent Ireland and the Olympics. The answer
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: to that is probably like, well, yeah, cause if it's
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: the difference between being an Olympian or not, you go
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: with being an Olympian. If it was one of those
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: things where you were like the Irish were just like, dude,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: we don't get a bunch of great track runners and
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 4: you somehow turned out to be fast? Will you compete
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: for Ireland? Will pay your way to everything. It'll be
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: better for you commercially. I don't know if I love that,
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: but you'd still do it. Though I probably still do it.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: I'd probably sell my soul. Chris Cayman, is that you
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: remember the Clippers center, giant, scary caveman looking guy.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the great stars. The other star from
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: the three from that great O three draft not named
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: Dwayne Wade, Chris Bosh Lebron James. Anyway, he I remember
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 5: O eight Olympics. I think it was he played with
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: Dirk Novitsky on the German team because his grandma's German. Okay,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: and obviously I mean Chris Cayan was a good NBA player.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: But he was not gonna make tam Usa.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he was not better than Dwight Howard and Chris
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: Bosh and the other big man on Carlos Boozer, the
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: the other bigs they're on, They're on tam Usa at
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: that time. So he he was like, you know what,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: I've got German heritage. I wonder if they'll let me play.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: And German's only other good play the Germans only other
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: good player at the time. They got a really good
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: team now but at the time was Dirknavitski. They're like, yeah,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: we'll take a second NBA player. So this is this
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 5: gone on for a long time and there's been fishier
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: connection or longer farther back connections like Chris Cayman and
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: his grandma that have that have been allowed to compete
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: on this. The interesting thing about Eileen Wu and we
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: won't get two in the weeds on this because sports show,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 5: but it's interesting that China, because China doesn't allow dual citizenship,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: but they're just like, you can you're an American citizen,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: but absolutely you can win a go She's.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: Also like a model, you know, like you get special
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: treatment when you're incredibly talented and also like attractive, and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: she's isn't she like a microbiologist or something. She's like
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: an ivy leaguer of some kind. So when it's all
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: going for you, talented in every way?
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  Speaker 3: All right? Uh, do you know who Steven Bradbury is?
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 13: Now?
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of countries you don't often associate with success in
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: the Winter Olympics.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: Let me see Nigeria, Australia. Oh okay, did you see this
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 5: short track speed skating. The Australian who won gold, his
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: name Stephen Bradbury. He made it to the qualifiers because
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 5: of a crash, and then he won the gold medal
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: because literally the entire field, the pack, the peloton on
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: the short track skating, everybody wiped out in front of him,
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: every single person.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: Fucky guy. No, So this is crazy because of course,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 4: at face value, you're just like, oh wow, Like he
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 4: had no chance of winning and he just was there
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 4: to be in the race getting his participation trophy and
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: he ended up winning gold because of it turns out
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 4: that this was a strategic thing for him because his
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: own career has been plagued by bad luck. And you
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: guessed it crashes on short track speeds many many times.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 4: This is like his fifth Olympics, and many times he
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: has been a favorite to at least compete for a medal,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 4: a favorite for a medal going all the way back
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  Speaker 4: to like nineteen ninety eight, and he would crash or
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: he would get injured by somebody else crashing and their
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 4: skate slices.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: His thye open actually happened to him. Oh my god.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: So as he got a little bit older and realized
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: these younger skaters were getting faster, his coach was just
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: like somebody finally came to him and was just like, look, man,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: you just need to stay in the race. You just
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: need to like qualify barely, and if something can happen
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: in front of you, hang back, hang back, hang back.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 4: And then on the final lap you sprint. You try
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: to get up there if you can, or you see
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: if the traffic, because this happens a lot.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 5: So don't so they told him as a strategy, don't
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 5: go right up next to the line.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, this was his strategy, and it played out
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 4: in his final Olympics exactly how he wanted it to
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 4: exactly how so.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: He's simultaneously the most the most un the unluckiest athlete
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: in the history of the Winter Olympics, and in these Olympics,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: the luckiest one.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Yes, in these Olympics, he was.
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: He was in the medal rounds because of crashes, and
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: he won the gold medal because the crashes. If it
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: was just who's skating the fastest, he's not even making
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: it out a qualifier.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 5: If it was like if they could be like a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 5: an outdoor track, like sprinting, like a like sprinters are
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 5: on and you have lanes that you cannot cross on ice,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: he probably wouldn't win, but correct because you get because
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 5: it gets really congested in there, and guys crash. There
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 5: are so many crashes in speed skating, by the way,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: it's kind of awesome. I watched way more of it,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: uh this weekend than I did and the rest of
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 5: the days of the Olympics so far.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: And did you see the.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: One with the Italian dude who went who went through
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 5: the finish line backwards because his skate got caught by
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: two guys I didn't see that who got knocked out
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 5: of the.
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  Speaker 3: Crash his ankle.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: They one of them hid into his ankle and so
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 5: he literally got turned around and had to go through
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: the finish line backwards and was like two tenths of
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: a second behind the leader of the heat.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 11: It was.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 5: It was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Awesome,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: it is so good, all right, James.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: Uh just on Sports Center not too long ago. Ron
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 4: de Rousey. Yeah, okay, Ronda Rowsey's coming back. It was announced.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: You put it in your update. I did that on
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: MVP Promotions, which is Jake Paul. Everything coming up Jake
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: Paul right now, his fiance just won a gold medal again.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: And apparently she won.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 5: She stands to get a lot more endorsement money from
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: Nike because she showed off her sports bra.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: Yes that yeah, She's got like whatever it is, six
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: million followers now it's going to go up in any case.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: Jake Paul, I don't know how. I don't know why.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: He's very famous, he's very successful, he's very rich. He's
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: got a company called MVP Promotions, which they've done boxing.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: He's promoted his own fights, he's promoted the Serrano sisters,
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: who are some of the best female boxers on the planet.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: Now they're gonna do an MMA fight between Ronda Rousey
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: and a name that probably fewer people in the mainstream
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 4: know Gina Carano.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: You I was wondering if I had butchered her last name,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 5: or if I got it, or if I nailed it.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: I nailed it.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: So Gina Carano is more famous now for being in
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: the Mandalorian. She's crossed over in acting, and she actually
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 4: got into a huge lawsuit with Disney because they may
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: basically fired her for expressing some of her beliefs about
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 4: the COVID situation and all that.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: She sued them.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: She won or I think they maybe settled, and in
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: any case, now she's probably going to be back in
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: the Star Wars universe. But like Gina was at one
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: point the second best female fighter on the planet. Okay,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: this is pre Ronda Rousey, This is pre Amanda Nunez.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 4: This is in the early early early days of women's
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: mixed martial arts. It was a woman named Cyborg Christian
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 4: Cyborg Santos at the time. Now she's divorced Santos, it's
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Christian Cyborg Justino anyway, and they were the first women
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: to headline an MMA event, those two main event in
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: Elite XC. This is a big deal. Gina Carano is
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 4: a very beautiful woman. She was the first MMA fighter
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: with kind of like the sex appeal crossover mainstream thing.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: She was a big deal. That's how she got into acting.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: Ronda Rousey Gina Carano headlining apparently this event in May,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 4: and even ESPN's making a big deal out of it, which,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: by the way, let me just air ag grievance prematurely
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: here the PFL. We are actual broadcast partners with ESPN.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 4: This random one off event is getting a lot more
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 4: play than we ever, which, by the way, is gonna
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 4: be on Netflix, not ESPN. It's crazy in any case,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 4: Ronda Rousey has not fought in nine years. Her last
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 4: fight nine years ago. She got knocked out by Amanda Newness.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 4: No shame in that. Amanda is the best female fighter ever.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 4: Gina Corano take a wild guest. The last time she
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: fought tenty twelve. Her last fight was seventeen years ago.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, in two thousand and nine, I was
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 4: still in high school. Oh see.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: Now, look, she's been very successful.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 4: She's done a bunch of like straight to DVD type movies.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: You know when red box was a thing. Yeah, a
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: lot of her movies went to red.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: Box or you know, when Netflix wasn't just a streaming site.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: And then she had a couple bigger ones, right, she
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 4: was like, she headlined the movie, and then she got
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 4: into the Star Wars universe as like a former shock
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 4: Trooper turned rebel, like this is a big role. And
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 4: then she went, you know, she got on the wrong
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 4: side of Disney and the whole wokeness and all that
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 4: stuff and ended up winning the lawsuit against them. And
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: now she's potentially back, but instead at forty three years old,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 4: she's gonna fight Ronda Rousey.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: How holds Ronda.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: Ronda's gotta be like thirty seven, thirty eight, Yeah, she's
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 4: she's close to forty two. And by the way, I
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: don't know about Gena. I don't think Genasna's thirty nine.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: Ok Ron has had a couple of kids since she
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: last fought. The women out there listening could tell me.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: I have no idea obviously, but like your body changes. Yeah,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 4: So that's always impressive when women after childbirth can come
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: back and compete.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 3: We're seeing that in the Olympics. We're seeing that with
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: this now. Serena Williams did it famously.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but like Ronda at thirty nine and Gina at
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: forty three, nine years away and seventeen years away from competition,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: are going to be headlining this event allegedly, do we believe?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: And it's actually going to happen.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: Seventeen years away from competition and all of a sudden,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: you're gonna come back and be the headliner. I don't know, man,
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, what are we We're I guess exactly three
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: months away from the fight three months yesterday. Huh.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna ask you.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize Gina had it'd been that long away
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 5: from competition. I knew Ronda Rowsey had been a long time.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 5: I was gonna ask you about because Ronda Rowsey, at
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: least in the mainstream for mainstream sports fans, that's one
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: that we know.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: That's a name that we know.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, like, just how much
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: you think she has left in her But I guess
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 5: it's there's not really a way to know because she
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: hasn't fought in nine years.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 4: And here's the thing, right, I mean, this is like, now,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: make no bones about it, these are two of the
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: four most important female fighters ever.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, Ronda Rowsey was like a phenomenon. Two of the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: top five, yeah, right, in terms of like the history
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 5: of the sport and things like that. And Ronda was
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: probably the most important female fighter in MMA because she's
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: the reason that the UFC adopted female mixed martial arts. Right,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 5: So she was like Mike Tyson, like always knocking people
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: out and invasible until she wasn't.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 4: Her place in history is secure, and she has done
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 4: a better job than pretty much anyone in like transitioning
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: out of the public eye and just having a good life.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: She and her former fighter husband at a couple of kids.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: They own a farm in California. They raise Wag You
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: beef together, and she every quarter she'll go and do
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: like a WWE appearance, cash a big fat check and
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 4: then disappear again.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: And now she's back doing this. She was in during
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: her the height of her fighting career. She was in
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 5: one of the Fast and Furious movies, right, Yes, And
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: she's been in the Expendables movie franchise. So she's done
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: some acting or terrible terrible actress.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 4: But a lot of athletes are bad when they transition
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: into acting. I don't man, this is it's really interesting
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: that we've decided that now is the time to do this.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: I'm a skeptic.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 4: And you don't know if she's got anything left in
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 4: the tank. Even if she beats Gina Carronto, because Gina
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: Carronto has not competed for seventeen years, you.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: Don't know how good she is anymore.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and she's four even if she could train it consistently,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 4: she's forty three.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: And just and just to be clear, because it's not
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: very clear by the ESPN article, this is not a
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: UFC fight, this is not a PFL fight. It's just
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: a it's the one off NME events.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's MVP Promotions, which is Jake Paul's company with
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 4: his business partner in Nikisa Badero. League involved, no league involved.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 4: It's just like we're going to the Intuit Dome. We're
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 4: gonna sell probably four thousand tickets to this thing because
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be too expensive. We're gonna put it on
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: Netflix and out of pure curiosity, most MMA fans in
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 4: the world are gonna tune in.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna tune in?
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 11: You know?
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: If it happens, I can't have It's like it's one
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: of them. It's like it's like the Mike Tyson Jake
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: Paul fights.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: You can't look away.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna pretend I'm not gonna watch even though
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed by the thing happening.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: It's combat.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: Sports are so weird because we don't do this in
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: any other sport. Nobody's like live on Netflix, Michael Jordan
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: playing one on one basketball against who's someone who's been
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: out of the league for ten years.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 3: Carlos Boozer.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: Carlos, I was gonna say, Michael Jordan versus Victor Wmben.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, why why?
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: Wait?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 3: Why you? And actually Michael Jordan people would watch that, right, Yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Ginakrana has been gone seventeen years, and I love Gina
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: all respect to Gina. Gina is not Michael Jordan, you
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. Like, so it's like, I don't know,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 4: Sean camp playing one on one.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: You're like, why did we bring this? Why have we
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: dusted this one off?
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: One of Sean Kemp's children is many children playing against
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: Michael Jordans anyway, Ronda Rowsey is definitely the Michael Jordan
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 5: of that pair. But you've educated me. Gina Carano, she
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: was great once upon a time. It was a very
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 5: big deal for a brief time. I didn't realize that
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: was her and the Manalorian either.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Cara Dune is the name of the also
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: just rough rough acting rough actor. Look love Gina, okay,
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: but what a chance to meet her? Yes, I have
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: a great Gina story. I'll tell you off air and
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: just yeah, not a great actress. Maybe still a great fighter,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: question mark, we hope anyway, And I will say this
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: very principled person if you go look up like her
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: feud with Disney, whether you agree with her views or not.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, she walked away from being in Star Wars
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: basically voluntarily to stand by her principles. There's not a
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: lot of people that are willing to do that. Also,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: she was offered a fight allegedly in the UFC for
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: a million dollars. Didn't like the way that Dana White
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 4: spoke to her, specifically, thought that he was disrespectful to her,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 4: thought they didn't respect women. Walked away and said, no,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not dealing with a person like that. So she's principled.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: Whether you agree with her principles or not, she's at
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: least that anyway, we're over time here. Ari Tempkin's going
• 1:43:02
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  Speaker 4: actually hear the commentary on the televisions. I don't know
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: how they pulled this off, but somehow the acoustics down
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: there make it so that there could be music on
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: the jukebox. It doesn't overwhelm the television volume. And like
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: you could be in one corner hearing the commentary being Marvel,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: you know, amazed by Mike Tico's smooth dulcet tones, and
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: then you walk over, you know, twenty feet away, and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: somehow that sound has out and now you're able to
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 4: hear the new screens sound. I don't know how it works,
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 4: but it does work, That's all I know. We're gonna
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: have to ask Patrick about that. How do you do that?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Pat guarantee He has no idea how it's done either.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: All Right, I love me, sir Patrick. He's not a
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: sound engineer. But James, you uh, serendipitously, you decided you
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 4: wanted to be our show's curling expert, and I think
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: we've got some good stuff you have to get into here.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: It's been it's been a pretty juicy curling Olympic cycle
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: here and it just it got even more entertaining. Off
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: the ice. Canada is cheating. Oh see, yeah, both the
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: men and women. By the way, Canadian curl and no
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: mixed doubles cheating was reported, so they were clean in
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: one in one division of things.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 4: But does that make sense though, if both the men
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: and the women are cheating and then you put the
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: men and the women together and then they're doing it.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: Honestly, there had to have been something we missed in
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: mixed doubles, but that part of the competition is over.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: We got men's and women's going on side by side here.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: So Friday, well Friday was when the men's controversy happened.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 4: You had.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: They were playing the Swedes.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: And just a little little background on Canada versus Sweden
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 5: in recent Olympics, So going back twelve fifteen years now,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: Canada's always been good at curling. They've basically always medaled.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 5: There's only been eight Olympic Games that curling has been
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: a part that's been part of and Canada's medaled in
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: six of them and they've won three golds. Sweden has
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: medaled in the last three though they they're the defending
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: gold medalists. On the men's side of things, they're not
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: going to make the elimination round this time. They've had
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: a rough go of it in the round robin, but
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 5: there's a bit of a rivalry there, right, So when
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 5: they're facing off, it's a little it's more intense because
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 5: these are general in the last few Olympics, these are
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: the best two or two of the best three men's
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: curling teams in the world. So Sweden's watching Canada closely
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 5: because of that, and as they've been watching them, they've
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: been like this, there's a particular guy who is double
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: touching when he throws the rock. Okay, when he throws
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 5: the stone. Now, what's double touching, Well, it's it's what
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 5: it sounds like. So when the guy who's kneeling down
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 5: and throws the stone, right, you can touch the handle.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: You can take your hand off the handle and then
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: go back and then go back and touch it before
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: the green. They call it the hog line. You can
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 5: do that as long as you do it before the green,
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: before it crosses the green line.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: What you can't do.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 5: Is touch any part of the granite rock part underneath
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: the handle. What this Canadian curler is doing, Mark Kennedy,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 5: He's throwing it and then he's touching it with his finger.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 5: And there's some great memes with the Sistine Chapel, the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 5: finger of God touching the curling stone.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: It's just like that.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 5: He's he's touching it, he's touching the granite part.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: So that's a double touch.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 5: Now, no one, it's really hard to catch this because
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: the camera angles only show for it's only the front
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: of you.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we watched curling all the time. All of us
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 4: are dedicated curling watchers. And the shot is shown from
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: the like the goals perspective, right Yeah, it's always the
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: curler's coming at you head on.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 5: On the broadcast anyway, there's no like, there's no side
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: view right on the hog line, the pylon cam type thing.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: Well, because Sweden has been convinced that they're doing something,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: that they've been doing this and getting away with it,
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: they had someone whole the camera down the hog line,
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: the green hog line, to catch them in the act
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: and they did in this last match on Friday night.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: So they call him out on it, and this Mark
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 5: Kennedy guy starts, you guys all saw it online. I'm
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: sure or live. He starts cursing the other guy out
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 5: f off man, I've never done that, which, by the way,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 5: very gentlemanly sport. There's no cursing in the Olympics. There's
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 5: particularly guys who are miked up, like the curlers are
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 5: no cursing because of.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: That no foul language.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: But even in like your local curling club, they frown
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: upon any kind of foul language.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: So this is like a huge etiquette violation.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: The way this guy reacted after he was confronted by
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: the Swedes.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 4: And he was wrong, Well that's why he reacted so
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 4: violently because someone called him back. I've done that.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 3: We're talking about it.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: If you have not done the double touch at a
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 4: curtain now, let me tell you it's a very experienced
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: curler myself clean.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: I've never I've never double touched.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 4: If someone someone was just like I saw you double
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: touched that thing, he'd be like, get out of my face, man,
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 4: I had a double touch were talking about I'm a
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: single touch guy. You know that about me, Get out
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: of here.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: Joe, all aspects of my life, Carl, get out of
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: my face, Magnus.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: But the fact that he goes crazy, yeah, you just
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: incriminated yourself.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: So then so that happens in men's curling, and I'll
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 5: get to the alternate camera angle thing and I'll get
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 5: back to that in a second. But then the very
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 5: next day, oh see, in the when the women are
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: women are in their round robin and I can't remember
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: who the opponent was.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: I don't believe it was Sweden as well.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: But the Canadian Canadian woman who's throwing the rock, she
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: gets caught with the same kind of double touch. Now,
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 5: they didn't have this illegal alternate, if shady alternate angles,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 5: so it's harder to tell. But the ref, the umpires,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 5: the officials officiating the event, probably because they were told
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 5: to be on the lookout for this because of what
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: happened the day before, and with the men's Canadian team,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 5: they're watching, they're watching the throws closer and they they
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: caught her doing a double touch. Again, really can't tell
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: from the video evidence on that one. But so it's like, okay,
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: we'll just take the ref's word for it, but she
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: was adamant that she didn't do it either. She said
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: zero percent chance talking to her coaches and her teammates.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: Here's the thing that is so crazy about how the
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: Kennedy guy, the men's curler reacted. All the penalty is
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: oc is that you can't count that stone. It's not
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: like that's it. You don't lose a game automatically, you're
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: not discovered, but you just can't count the stone.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: Hey, you gotta redo that one. What like you can't
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: read it.
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 5: It's just you lose a stone, which is losing a
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: scoring chance, losing a chance to not to take points
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 5: away from the team. Sure, but you get like seven
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 5: or eight stones per end.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 4: So this is one of these beautiful things that can
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 4: send you down a rabbit hole in an obscure sport
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 4: or an outside of the Olympic Games, an obscure sport.
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 4: So I'm wondering to myself, how big of a deal
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: is it for someone to just like it's literally just
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: his index finger, right.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 5: And he's not like it's not like bending back, he
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 5: doesn't have his hole index finger.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: It's just the tip of his index.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 4: Honestly, it seems more like kind of an OCD type
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 4: thing than anything, like he believes he's getting some kind
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: of advantage by double touching, because I can't imagine one
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: tiny little fingertip touch for the smallest fraction of a
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: second is actually altering the trajectory of the stone, which,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: by the way, you just released, like just barely released.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: It's already on its way right.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: So anyway, I'm like how, And that's why I had
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 4: to remind myself how heavy is a curling stone?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 3: How much can I?
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: How much can one little fingertip worth of pressure for
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 4: that long do? And so I looked it up. Okay,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 4: how heavy is a curling stone? Now you're a physicist?
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Do you know?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: How have you a curling stone in stone?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 6: Is?
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: I do not? Oh wait? Do you want kilograms or pounds?
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: The weight range is seventeen point two to twenty kilograms.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: Forty two pounds is the Olympic standard? Okay, nineteen point
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: one kg? Oh are we Is there a deflate gate?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: No? But this is what it does.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, if I do one tiny little fingertip
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: on a on a stone, is it going to really
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 4: change things all that much? And I get it it's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: a game of precision, and so maybe it does. I
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 4: don't really know, but it sends you down this rabbit hole.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 4: Do you know that all curling stones come from the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: same place. I actually did know this my wife. My
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 4: wife looked it up as we were watching this weekend
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 4: in formula this it's in Scotland. Yes, it's an uninhabited
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: island off the coast of Scotland.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 3: All they do is manufacture curling stone.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 4: It's literally just a giant chunk of granite that actually
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: kind of looks like a curling stone, Okay, and the
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: granite there is particularly dense and impermeable to water, which
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 4: is why it's perfect for curling stone.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 5: I mean, it makes sense granite, a granite island would
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: be impermeable to water, you would think.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 4: But like, I mean, you know, it's why we use
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: granite countertops because it's not very porous. Well, this is
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: a particul it's called blue hone and it's particularly dense,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: even more than other granites, so no water's getting in.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 3: It's not just all the Olympic stones.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 5: I think like every curling stone, every curling stone in
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: the world, you could go. I'm sure we have some
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 5: kind of curling club here in Utah's as big a
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 5: winter sports.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 4: It's out at the curns All. That's what I thought.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: You go to that, You go to the Utah Curling
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 5: Club or whatever it's called. And these the granite from
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: in those stones will be granted from this island, blue
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 5: hon stone from as it's called.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 4: It's just curling stones, a bunch of sea birds. And
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: there's one thing called the Iskraig Castle that I looked
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: at the stones, No, I looked it up. It's a
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: sixteenth century stone ruin that is about as big as
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: this studio. That's the that's the castle. So obviously there
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: was some hermit that wanted to be far away from
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: everyone else who moved himself to this island and erected
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: a tiny little stone house that.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 5: Became known as the keys is Is he the as
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: Craig of I have no idea he is an island
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: named after him.
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: I have no idea, I probably, But anyway, it sets
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: you down this weird rabbit hole on curling, and then
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: if you really spend too much time, you find out
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: what the other ones are in speed skating and in
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: the bob sledding situation. Did you hear did you see
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 4: the they did a the sideline reporter or whatever equivalent
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 4: at the at one of the ice sheets where they
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 4: do speed skating and figure skating. She told the story
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: of what they have to do, like the ice has
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: to be different for figure skating than it does for
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: speed skating, like drastically different. So what they have to
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: do to prepare the ice for figure skating, and then
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 4: if there's there's always speed skating and figure skating on
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 4: the same day, what they do to prepare it for
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 4: speed skating.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: That was fascinating too. It's uh, the ice is.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: Thinner and more and harder for speed skating because that
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: you get faster. Okay, that figure skating they like it's
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 5: softer so they can land for their land It's better landings, okay, right,
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: little cushion in the landing.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want a more forgiving ice sheets.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 5: So the ice is colder for speed skating than it
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 5: is for figure skating. Wow, and anyway that that'll send
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: you down a rabbit hole too.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 4: So what we've seen, by the way, Ilia Mallinan right
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 4: now is talking about Trico, the quad god who had
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 4: it just a disastrous free skate. Yeah, terrible when he
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: finished eighth, finish eighth as the favorite, and he's been
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: he's been talking about how he's gotten a lot of
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: hate online.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: I don't hate. I'm sure that's what they're sure that's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: what they're talking about.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: Also, is it he like twenty two years old or something? Yeah,
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: just he's like he's not even that old. Hey, Povidy's
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: nervector right, he's got two more Olympic Games to come.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 4: Stop it, people, let's be nice. We're gonna care about
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: this guy again in four years. For two weeks, he's.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 5: Gonna be he's gonna be doing quad god like for
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: a while now, all right, he's gonna have to be
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: called the quad Demi God until actually, I think gets
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: back to speak.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is actually in story there. This is actually
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: a little bit more serious. I don't know if you
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 4: saw this.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: Can I just say one more thing about this cheating
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 5: controversy in curling for the curling So does this not
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: the additional camera angle? Does it not make you think
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: of the New York Jets two thousand and seven?
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 3: Are they exposed Spygate?
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm just maybe it's just me, But if you
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 5: if you know about that story.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: How Spygate became known to the world.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 5: Eric Mangini, the coach of the Jets at the time,
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 5: former Patriots assistant. He spent so long coaching with Bill
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 5: Belichick that he knew his tricks. He knew that they
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 5: were filming the other team's sidelines during games. So he
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: sets up like a sting operation. He and the Jets
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: set up like a sting operation with the NFL a
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: the beginning of that seventh season where the Patriots almost
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 5: went perfect right and it almost ran over the entire
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: league in the regular season, including the Jets, and they
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 5: they they he tipped off NFL security. They went and
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 5: grabbed the guy during the Jets game, right. The reason
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: this reminded me of that is because the Swedes are
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 5: also like, these guys are cheating, all right, and we
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: need someone finally needs to get Canada on this. So
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 5: instead so instead of they're already being a camera set
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 5: up and having security take down the cameraman, they put
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 5: up their own camera, which is the only the only
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 5: camera that has that has a different angle for curling,
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 5: to show unequivocally the guy still got his finger on
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 5: the stone.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: Right after he releases it. I mean, just incredible. For me.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: It was a nice callback to the to the spygates.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 4: My problem is, if you're Canada, why you're not just
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 4: saying that this is an unsanctioned camera, this is sweeten,
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 4: this is illegal. I'm just like, a I dude, that's
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: that's fake. Yeah, just go with the Donald Trump defense,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 4: like that's not real. It's all fake. And apparently because
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: the curling has actually.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: Been a lot of fun to watch beyond the actual competition,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 5: because you you can hear everything that they say to
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 5: each other, right, and so the Swedes are like a
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 5: couple of the teammates are like, I did it again
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 5: kind of thing, and you don't know what you're talking
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 5: about because this hasn't been exposed yet. And you hear
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: the guys say it's okay, Magnus is Magnus is recording,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: and you're like, and now we know, oh they're talking
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 5: about how they it's all right, They're not gonna get
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 5: away with it. We've we're gonna catch them in the act.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: So it just incredible curling controversy between two curling rivals. Unfortunately,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 5: for Sweden, even if they had won this match, they
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 5: weren't gonna advance to the elimination rounds. It's been a
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 5: rough round robin round for them and they lost again today.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 5: Do you want to hear the updated standing? So see
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 5: men standing, Switzerland is leading, tied with Canada at the
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 5: top of the table, if you will. Norway is next,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 5: Team USA, Great Britain tied for fifth at four and three,
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  Speaker 5: and then we get to the guys who are five
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 5: hundred or worst Italy, Germany, China, Sweden, and Chechia.
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  Speaker 3: So Sweden way.
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 5: Down there, possibly why they're a bit more heated about this,
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  Speaker 5: I would think.
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  Speaker 3: See.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 5: And then on the women's side, TMSA doing a little
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 5: bit better than the men than USA men are. They're
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 5: tied for second at five and two, Sweden six and one.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: At the top.
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 5: They're Canada right behind Team USA at four and three.
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 5: And then you got a bunch of bunch of teams
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 5: under five hundred China, Great Britain, Italy and Japan.
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 3: So there you go.
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  Speaker 5: It looks to be TMSA probably in the elimination round
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 5: for both men and women, but USA men kind of
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 5: on the bubble there, so something to watch there.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: Did you hear about the T shirt controversy from the
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: Milan Courtino or Milano Cortina Olympics. Excuse me, I missed it. Okay,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 4: this is actually pretty messed up and shows you how
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 4: hypocritical the Olympic committees can be and how poor communication
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 4: could be back and forth. So remember the Ukrainian skeleton
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: sled racer that was not allowed to compete because of
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 4: his helmet that memorialized fallen athletes that have died in
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 4: the conflicts since Russia invaded Ukraine. Right, no words on there,
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: just the faces of athletes who are now deceased because
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: of the conflict. Right.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: Well, then.
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 4: They allowed somebody to compete in a Marvel Venom helmet.
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw that, Like the Marvel
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 4: character Venom, the spider Man villain with the giant teeth.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 4: That was okay, and a lot of people are just like,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 4: well that's lame. But remember it's like, that's not political,
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 4: it's just Venom. It's a made up character or whatever.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 4: But this is genuinely bothersome to me. The Official Olympics
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 4: shop has right now something called the Heritage Collection on it.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it right now and I'm actually a
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 4: little bit bummed out that I'm not finding any stuff
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 4: from the two thousand and two Olympic Games. But you
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 4: can go find yourself, like Atlanta nineteen ninety six t shirt,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 4: Los Angeles nineteen eighty four. You want something from Barcelona
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 4: ninety two, They've got you covered there.
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: The Heritage Collection stuff.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 4: It's like throwback Mitchell and Ness brand merchandise from previous Olympics. Well,
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 4: and this tells you a lot about where we're at
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 4: in the world today. The hottest seller from this bad
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 4: Boy happened to be a T shirt from the nineteen
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: thirty six Berlin Olympics, which are more colloquially referred to
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 4: as the Nazi Olympics. That was the Adolf Hitler hosted
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 4: nineteen thirty Sixlympic Games, like right before he invaded Poland,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: basically like right before it all kicked off. Yeah, and
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 4: World War two became a thing in Europe. This was
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 4: like there were Nazi banners and flags hanging up at
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 4: the Olympics ceremonies.
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he'd been in power a couple of years. Yeah,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: it was a big, big, big deal.
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: And obviously this is where Jesse Owens became even more
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 4: of a legend. And things like that, because he went
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 4: over there and disproved all the theories of aaran superiority
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: by dominating in the track and field events.
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 5: He liked the rowing movie that Disney just made. It's
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 5: that same Olympics. That's right, Boys in the Boat. It's
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 5: a great, great movie by the way, but awesome book.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 5: But in any case, the Olympics, they're just like, yeah,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 5: we're gonna sell this. It is undeniably a very very
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 5: political choice to sell that particular T shirt because it's
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 5: not like they sold one for every games. Yeah, Salt
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 5: Lakes missing, Come on, now, they didn't have every single
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 5: past Olympics. And I'll be honest Athens from eighteen ninety.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 4: It's a pretty esthetically cool looking shirt. It's got the
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 4: statue with the laurel wreath kind of like head piece.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 4: It's got the Olympic rings at the top, it's got
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 4: the Brandenburg Gate. I mean, it's like, it's a cool
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 4: looking T shirt and the heavy subtext of it is
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 4: not put on the T shirt.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 3: But everybody who bought one of.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 4: Those shirts knows exactly what they're doing, right, and they're
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 4: profiting off it. They're selling these bad boys for fifty
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 4: bucks apiece. That's political. That t shirt is political, but
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 4: the helmet was disallowed. Little hypocrisy there, IOC.
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 3: I don't like it.
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 5: There was a ton of I can't remember the event
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 5: right now, but there was a ton of like hand
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 5: painted helmets.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 4: I saw.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 5: It might have been might have been one of the
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 5: bob sledding events pop setting.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 4: They were wearing them, the downhill ski racing. They were
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 4: wearing them. That the old women from Italy were the
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 4: tiger helmet. Yeah, and listen like.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 5: A a one that's about a war that is controversial
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 5: in many parts of the world, right sure, Yeah, I
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 5: can see how you how you can stretch that to
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 5: be a political thing, even though it doesn't mention the war.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 5: It's just him trying to use his platform to bring
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 5: to bring attention and remembrance to these people that he revers, right,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 5: his countrymen that he revers that unfortunately lost their lives.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 5: But I still don't agree that that's political. But I
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 5: can see how they would they would stretch that to
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 5: do that. And that's completely different than some of these
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 5: other hand painted helmets we saw. But it's still just
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 5: like if you're gonna ban a ticulr hand painted helmet.
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 5: Why not just ban all of them? I don't It's
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 5: just not a great it's not a great look to
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 5: be so selective, so subjective on what you allow and
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 5: what you don't.
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 4: All right, I gotta take a quick one here. We're
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 4: gonna come back with Ari Tempkin. Tune in Radio Big
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 4: twelve today. The Big twelve basketball world is wild right now.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: Who's the best team in the conference, who's the actual
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 4: best to Who's gonna win Big twelve Basketball Championship before
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 4: we even get to the tournament. We'll discuss that and
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 4: much more with Ori Tempkin in three minutes. It's the
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 4: Sean O'Connell Show on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
• 2:07:41
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• 2:07:49
  Speaker 4: it one belong with me.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Sean O'Connell's show. You were home of the
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: best team side of your huge Let's get back to
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 1: WOC from the Murdoch Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: ninety two one AM.
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  Speaker 4: If we're gonna get our Attempkin on here in just
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 4: a second. The world of realignment never slows down in
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 4: college sports. I'm sure you saw over the weekend that
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 4: Sacramento State is joining the MAC, climbing the ladder from
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: the FCS up into Division One football and paying a
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 4: heck of a lot of money to do so. They've
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: got to pay an eighteen million dollar entrance fee, six
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 4: six million of which is due this year. They take
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: no revenue from the MAC, which doesn't exactly have huge
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: revenue anyway, and.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 3: They have to pay.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: For visiting teams to fly to California to play them
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 4: because the MAC, of course is a Midwestern league, and
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 4: so Sack State was like, yeah, we'll pay for you
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 4: to fly out here. They must have some kind of
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: billionaire donor I'm not aware of at Sacramento State because
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: final Actually, it seems like it doesn't make a ton
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 4: of sense.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 3: Although I don't know.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: Maybe if you jump in and somehow qualify for a
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 4: playoff berth even then how.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 3: Would that It doesn't make sense.
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: Shaquille O'Neill is there acting basketball GM. I'm sure he
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 4: puts a lot of hours a week into that job. Anyway.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: Realignment it never stops, baby, College sports never stops.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 3: Our next guest is a big friend of the program.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 4: He's joined us through all a football season and now
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 4: basketball season. Ari Timpkin coming off the long weekend. Welcome Mari,
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 4: how are you?
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  Speaker 13: I'm great man, how are you.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 3: Doing all right? Sax State to the MAC, react.
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 13: Kiblie Brennan. Marian would leave sax State to become the
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 13: offensive cordator of Colorado, and all this time he could
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 13: have led Sacobo State into the MAC. You know, it
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 13: felt all joking aside, like the MAC was kind of
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 13: the one conference that was never going to give in,
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 13: was still going to be regional. I mean, like perfect
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 13: in terms of the composition, and now they've i guess
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 13: for survival, have gone well beyond that Ohio Illinois region
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 13: all the way to Sacramento, California. So like the MAC
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 13: was great because we knew it. We've seen it. I mean,
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 13: we knew Toledo at Acrid and northern Illinois and you know,
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 13: eastern Michigan, and I mean like we've always known the
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 13: geographic spot and footprints, and it feels like the one
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 13: that's kind of always stayed true. And yet now here
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 13: we are with all of those regions in Michigan and
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 13: Illinois and Ohio and California.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 4: Very strange, very strange, indeed, but let's talk about the
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: Big Twelve conference. The Big twelve basketball conference is drunk
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 4: and needs to go home. Even at the top, you've
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: got all these really good teams Houston, Arizona, Iowa State,
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 4: Kansas all in the top ten right now. Texas Tech
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 4: and BYU are top twenty five teams. And you've got,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 4: you know, the West Virginia Mountaineers causing problems for a
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 4: couple of folks. TCU will harass and harangue you every
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 4: now and again. Who right now, though, is the best team?
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 4: Is there a clear best team in the Big twelve.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 13: No, I think one thing that's clear is there's a
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 13: best five, and depending on where the teams play is
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 13: going to go a long way in deciding who wins
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 13: the game. I mean, home court advantage is very real
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 13: in college basketball. And you know, I've set all season
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 13: like you've got to you got to take care of
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 13: business at home, win your home games, you know, and
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 13: then split on the road to give yourself a chance
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 13: to win the Big twelve. And I think what we're
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 13: seeing is that playing out in real time right now.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 13: I love the way the back twelve, the Big twelve
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 13: has backloaded its schedule because we're getting seemingly final four
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 13: matchups every night. You know, we had we had Michigan,
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 13: or rather Houston and Iowa State last night, which was
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 13: incredible lived up to the billing. And then you know,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 13: we get Arizona and Houston on Saturday, and then Arizona
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 13: turns around on Monday and goes to Downfield House. So
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 13: you know, just when you thought you had both the
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 13: thing figured out, it goes in a completely different direction.
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 13: You know, the top five teams of the Big twelve
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 13: Texas Tech, Houston, Kansas, Iowa State, and Arizona, they have
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 13: combined those five to go seventy and oh outside Quad one.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 13: All five of those are also top sixteen in the
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 13: NET and top sixteen in the Ken Palm. The ACC,
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 13: the SEC, and the Big East combined have five teams
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 13: in the top sixteen of the Ken Palm and top
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 13: sixteen of the NET. The Big Ten is the only
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 13: conference that comes close. They have five teams in the
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 13: top fifteen of those two categories. But I would say
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 13: that the Big twelve is still better due to the
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 13: fact that Michigan, Michigan State, and Illinois all have losses
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 13: outside of Quad one. They've loss es in Quad two. Again,
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 13: the top five teams of Big Twelve are seventy and
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 13: oh against Quad two two, Quad three, and Quad four opponents.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 13: So you know, there's a ton of ways to spin it.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 13: But this conference is loaded. It's perfect the way this
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 13: thing has, you know, shaken out in terms of the
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 13: schedule with it being backloaded. And I just I don't
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 13: think these losses hurt the Big Twelve in the same
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 13: way they might have maybe earlier this season. Like I
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 13: don't think Houston losing last night hurts them, you know,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 13: especially given Houston just wants to get to the South
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 13: Region to play Sweet sixteen and the lead eight games
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 13: in Houston, so you know, as a two seed, they're
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 13: fine in that South Region. So yeah, I mean it's
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 13: we're going to see a lot of this And you know,
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 13: I guess I could say that OC until somebody else
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 13: wins it. Houston's won this conference two years in a row,
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 13: so I'll go with them. But I mean, they looked beatable.
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 13: They obviously lost last night, and you know we've seen
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 13: Iowa State in Kansas split their home and home. You know,
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 13: Arizona's now lost two straight Texas Tech this stat is incredible.
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 13: You know, Duke, Houston and Arizona have six losses total
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 13: on the season. XI Tech has given those three teams
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 13: three half of their total losses. So those are three
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 13: enormous wins the Tech attach has in putting on Saturday
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 13: at Arizona. So that's just kind of the way it
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 13: goes right now. In the Big Twelve, it is loaded,
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 13: especially at the top.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: All right, Tim, can our guest here on the Sean
• 2:14:16
  Speaker 4: O'Connell show, what can you get out of claiming national
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: supremacy in college hoops? Obviously for the Big Ten in
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 4: the SEC battling it out to say they're the kings
• 2:14:27
  Speaker 4: of college football. That has a certain amount of power
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 4: and financial you know, gain from having that status in
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 4: college hoops? What can the Big Twelve, if you can
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 4: successfully win a national championship position yourself as the now
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: crowned kings definitively of college hoops? What can it do
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: for the conference in a big picture standpoint?
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 13: That's a great question, and you know, I think the
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 13: short answer is I'm not really sure. Longer answer though,
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 13: I mean, obviously doesn't mean a ton relative to football,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 13: because we know that football is driving the bus but
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 13: what I can tell you is that, you know, this
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 13: freshman class is absolutely loaded, especially in the Big Twelve
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 13: when you look at aj Debonsa and Darren Peterson and
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 13: Coo Pete and Kingston Flemings, And I do think that
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 13: playing in the best league in America means something to
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 13: incoming freshmen. I mean, that's not going to change next year. Kansas,
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 13: you know, is in very much so is the favorite
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 13: peers to when Tyron Stokes is their moon player next
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 13: year's class. So I think, like big picture OC, it
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 13: definitely shows, you know, the the ability for this conference
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 13: as a whole to sell to freshmen stud you know,
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 13: NBA going freshman that you can come to the Big
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 13: Twelve and play in the second best league in America
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 13: besides the NBA. You know, Aside from that, it'd be
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 13: very interesting to see how these the TV ratings shakeout.
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 13: You know, I'd imagine last night's Big Monday did a
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 13: really big number. You know, the college basketball right now
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 13: is seeing incredible growth year over year in terms of
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 13: their own audience in the NBA is almost having the inverse,
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 13: and I think those two things could be related. I
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 13: think there are a lot of people that have tuned
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 13: in to watch college basketball this year given how good
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 13: the freshman classes. And again that's a lot of that's
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 13: centered on the Big Twelve. So yeah, I mean, look,
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 13: this is a conference that historically was carried by Kansas
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 13: in that brand, and you know, now when you look
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 13: at Arizona has a huge brand and you know, so
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 13: they bring that to the table. But then beyond that,
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 13: I mean, you've got great basketball. Iowa State is a
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 13: consistent winner in basketball. Texas Tech has been a consistent
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 13: winner in basketball, you know, I mean, Houston under Kelvin
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 13: Sampson has been a consistent winner in basketball. So yeah,
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 13: I think you sort of have a combination of great
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 13: brands that are going to draw huge audiences in conjunction
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 13: with you know, three elite programs right now at sort
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 13: of the pinnacle of their success.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 4: How big a loss is Richie Saunders for BYU in
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 4: your opinion.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 13: Oh, it's huge, It's I mean, it's going to completely
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 13: sabotage their season. I mean, and you have to mention
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 13: that in conjunction with the fact that this team had
• 2:17:06
  Speaker 13: depth issues. They are three hundred and fifty first in
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 13: bench scoring BYU, They're three hundred and sixty three teams
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 13: in Division One. They're three hundred and fifty first at bench scoring,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 13: So like this was an issue before the Saunders injury.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 13: They were a big three and couldn't really get much
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 13: scoring outside of it, and now they're a big two.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 13: I also think, you know, Kevin Young's got to figure
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 13: out some things defensively with his program in this offseason
• 2:17:28
  Speaker 13: because you know, once again, this is a team that
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 13: needs to score eighty ninety points to consistently win. And
• 2:17:33
  Speaker 13: Saunders is a guy that very underratedly was averaging just
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 13: less than two steals per game this season. So you know,
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 13: whatever you had on defense, which wasn't much, Saunders was
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 13: giving it to you. So yeah, I mean, and that
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 13: not d even mentioned the leadership, the fact that you know,
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 13: he's been around the program as long as he has,
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 13: like all that stuff is irreplaceable. So, you know, just
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 13: a devastating loss for BYU and what's been, you know,
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 13: a pretty disappointing season.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 4: When we talk about whether or not the the disappointment
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: of the season is something that changes strategy, I mean,
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 4: it's not just the BYU question. It's for every team
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 4: that swings big from an nil standpoint of recruiting, transfer,
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: portal standpoint, whatever, and it doesn't bear the fruit that
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 4: you hope that it would. And again, not just BYU basketball,
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 4: we see teams do that. Texas Tech died this in football.
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: They made it to a playoff and had a disasterrous
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 4: showing in that playoff. What is the response to that
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 4: disappointment you think for most of these teams in the
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 4: Big Twelve, especially the Big Twelve teams that don't have
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: the same level of financial windfall coming from a conference
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 4: television rights deal.
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  Speaker 13: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean I think look
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 13: specific to BYU. You know, we know that BYU has
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 13: spent a lot of money on as roster, and you know,
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 13: these last two years they've they've kind of you know,
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 13: crashed at the biggest moments of this. And I still
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 13: think Kevin Young is a really good coach. I just
• 2:19:03
  Speaker 13: think culturally speaking, he's got to change. I think he's
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 13: got to take a long, hard look at this program
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 13: in the offseason and figure out a way to get them,
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 13: you know, more physically and more defensive oriented from a
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 13: cultural standpoint, because you know, again, like when I watched
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 13: Houston and BUYU, even with BYU at full strength like
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 13: this is. It's a tide game coming down the stretch,
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 13: and you know who's going to win because one team
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 13: just has a culture of physicality and defense and the
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 13: other does not. And it's an offensive team and that's
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 13: just the culture that that they have. So I you know, again,
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 13: I think Kevin Youngs is a hell of a coach.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 13: I think he's going to be successful. I think he's
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 13: going to be, you know, a coach that could win
• 2:19:39
  Speaker 13: a national championship the BUYU. But they've got to figure
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 13: out defense because you can't be that bad on defense.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 13: I've expect to win six games to the NBA Tournament,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 13: you know, I think with with everybody else, I mean,
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 13: Case State's a good example here. Case State has spent
• 2:19:51
  Speaker 13: a ton of money on their roster, and you know,
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 13: it's not it has not been very fruitful for them,
• 2:19:57
  Speaker 13: to say the least. And you know, so now they're
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 13: going to be spending close to nineteen million to buy
• 2:20:02
  Speaker 13: out Jerome Tang the rest of his contract after giving
• 2:20:05
  Speaker 13: him an extension after his first year when he went
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 13: to the Elite eight. You know, Kansas is having success
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 13: in the portal this year, but when you look back
• 2:20:11
  Speaker 13: the last couple of years, they've been hugely disappointing from
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 13: a you know, roster management talent standpoint. They've had a
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 13: lot of talent, they haven't gotten the buy in. I mean,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 13: they had you know, so much talent last year and
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 13: that team was super disappointing. This year was the exact opposite.
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 13: You know, Melvin Counsel is a guy that sort of
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 13: came out of nowhere and you know, has become like
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 13: a cult hero for this team. So you know, look,
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 13: you're gonna get bites at the apple, You're gonna swing
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 13: and miss. There's all different components that go into success.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 13: And we obviously know that in covering athletics like it
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 13: takes more than just skill and talent to be good.
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 13: There's you know, there's got to be you know, a
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 13: level of buy in. There's got to be the right
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 13: pieces have to fit. So you know, again it's not
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 13: just a straight line between you know, spending and winning.
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 13: You've got to spend the right way. And I think
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 13: we're seeing some coaches and teams that are doing it
• 2:21:00
  Speaker 13: and some that aren't.
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 4: You mentioned Kansas State, and yes, they're on their way
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 4: to potentially expensive legal battle they for those who are
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 4: just tuning into the Kansas State drama, they have fired
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 4: their head coach Jerome Tang for cause. And Tang and
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 4: his attorney say it. Me ranting in a postgame about
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: how these players need to do better is not cause
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: for a firing. How long, complicated, et cetera. Could this
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: situation get? What do you think the ultimate outcome is?
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah? And the ultimate outcome here is that Trump Tang
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 13: gets paid every single dollar that he's owed. And you know,
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 13: Kansas State should probably limit the amount of agg on
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 13: its face and they should look across the state at
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 13: mild matter and the mistakes that they made under Jeff
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 13: Long with David Beatty as evidence of why they shouldn't
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 13: drag this out. You know, if you recall when Jeff Long, who,
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 13: for my money, had the worst tenure of any athletic
• 2:21:57
  Speaker 13: director in the history of the Power five, and he
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 13: was at Kansas. I mean just look at his wake
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 13: of destruction ineptitude in three years as the administrator a
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 13: d at Kansas. But I digress. He wanted to hire
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 13: his buddy Les Miles, he wanted to fire David Batty
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 13: and didn't want to pay the buyout and so he
• 2:22:14
  Speaker 13: thought he'd get cute and creative and fire him for cause.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 13: And you know, they tried to basically say that, oh
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 13: he was cheating. They self reported cheating and that wasn't
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 13: even a fireball for cause offense. So basically this thing
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 13: played out legally. They still had to pay the full buyout,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 13: they had to pay their lawyers. Then in the court
• 2:22:32
  Speaker 13: of public opinion, they looked atrocious, they'd egg on their face.
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 14: So I mean, there's just no way this ends with.
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 13: How case State wants this to. I think what they
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 13: had here as a president that simply did not want
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 13: to pay a nineteen million to fire Jerome Tang, and
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 13: they could not continue with Tang because of how bad
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 13: it was this year, and so they were probably trying
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 13: to find a way to at least get out of
• 2:22:51
  Speaker 13: some of it and maybe negotiate a smaller buyout. But
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 13: drum Tang has no reason to accept anything less than
• 2:22:57
  Speaker 13: when he's totally owed. And that's why you hired Tom Marris,
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 13: because that's exactly what he's gonna get.
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 4: It's uh, it's gonna be interesting to see how that
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 4: thing plays out. Ari Arizona BYU tomorrow, do the Kougs
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 4: have a chance.
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 13: Well, yeah, I mean, anytime you've got a guy at
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 13: the talent level of aj Demansa and Rob Right, you
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 13: got a chance. But with the Arizona coming out two
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 13: streat losses, yeah, it feels like that that's a slim chance.
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 13: And you know, look, the style that Arizona plays like,
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 13: it's antithetical to how modern basketball is played right where
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 13: teams are pace in space and shooting threes. I mean,
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 13: they are not a high volume, high percentage three point
• 2:23:42
  Speaker 13: shooting team. They beat you with bully ball, they're physical,
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 13: they win you on the glass, they win inside. That
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 13: does not play well on the BYU's weaknesses at all.
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 13: We just talked about, you know how Houston just out
• 2:23:52
  Speaker 13: physical them down the stretch and it just feels like
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 13: they need a team of more Kava Catas than they have.
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 13: And so I mean they're gonna get more of that
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 13: from Arizona, and especially a team that's coming off two
• 2:24:03
  Speaker 13: straight losses after being starting the season twenty three and
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 13: ohs so got a shot. You've got an NBA talent
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 13: who's gonna be the number two overall pick. You know,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 13: I would imagine on your team and Rob wright is.
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 13: I mean he went for thirty nine rev the other night,
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 13: so yeah, a shot when he got those two guys.
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 13: But yeah, I just think the physicality, the rebounding, the
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 13: defense is gonna be too much an overwhelm BYU.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 3: All right, Tolway's great, picking your brain.
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: Appreciate your time, sir, take care of ceeb will brother.
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 4: All right, Timkin Big twelve today on tune in Radio,
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  Speaker 4: really really great encyclopedia of knowledge on all things college
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 4: sports and the Yeah, the Kansas State thing, we could
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 4: have spent a lot more time on the head today. Yeah,
• 2:24:45
  Speaker 4: we talked about it last week. Jerome Tang was like, Hey,
• 2:24:48
  Speaker 4: it's an embarrassment the way these guys are playing. You
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 4: got to earn this uniform, all these like angry coach
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 4: cliche stuff. Kansas State was like, well, it's not going
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 4: very well. Let's use that as cause to fire him.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 3: He's held like fourteen million bucks or something.
• 2:25:12
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  Speaker 15: Why would that not be believable? Isn't that just the
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  Speaker 4: I think just people expect you to be doing cooler
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 4: stuff than hanging out across the desk from.
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  Speaker 15: Me than my literal job. Yeah, oh, what would that
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  Speaker 15: But uh, I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: There's a bunch of forty somethings winning Olympic medals. Why
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  Speaker 15: be like, hey, just got into the luge over the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: doubles louge guy to me.
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  Speaker 8: Can I tell you?
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  Speaker 15: I was gonna say, my my favorite event now is
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 15: the uh double mogul?
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  Speaker 8: Did you see that? The double mogul track?
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  Speaker 15: They're they're racing each other with moguls and like doing
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  Speaker 3: Seen how many people like missed the jump.
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  Speaker 15: I tore my meniscus two years ago playing golf, and
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  Speaker 15: I'm watching these guys.
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  Speaker 8: I'm like, I would break both. I am wildly impressed.
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 15: I mean, when I was skiing a lot, I could
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 15: handle a few moguls. But I can't even wrap my
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  Speaker 15: mind around what those guys do, those those men and
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 15: women do with the double mogul tracks. That's my new
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 15: favorite Olympic event by far. Crushed an aggressive amount of
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  Speaker 15: Olympic tape over the weekend. Your boy for Valentine's Day,
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  Speaker 8: But how was your weekend? You have a good weekend? Yeah,
• 2:29:01
  Speaker 8: that's good, good, good.
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I went down to Saint George. I am ced
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 4: a book release party. My best friend's little sister has
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 4: put out a it's a really amazing book.
• 2:29:12
  Speaker 8: What's it called.
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 4: It's called Unbreakable Soul, So l E give her some
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 4: love and it's about it's kind of like a self
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 4: help lessons learned through the trials of running a marathon,
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 4: but also each mile is a portion of her life.
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  Speaker 4: It's just really well put together, really well done, very
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 4: easily digestible. And she's not a you know, this is
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 4: her only book. Yeah, it's really really I'm so impressed
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  Speaker 4: and proud of her for doing it, and I was
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 4: happy to be part of the book launch and it's
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 4: really really cool thing.
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  Speaker 8: Tremendous respect because I know you've done this too.
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  Speaker 15: I think most people, at least people that want to
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 15: like create, and I feel like, you know, in our space, that's.
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  Speaker 4: What we try to do.
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  Speaker 8: They're not we pull it off. Is up to discretion
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 8: in the listeners.
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  Speaker 15: I've often thought like, yeah, man, I think it would
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 15: be cool to actually sit down and write a book,
• 2:30:02
  Speaker 15: but to actually do it, I mean a ton of
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 15: respect because I know you've done it too.
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  Speaker 8: So did you say unbreakable soul?
• 2:30:09
  Speaker 3: Unbreakable soul?
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 4: Sol? Good for her, that's awesome, really proud of her.
• 2:30:12
  Speaker 15: Did you consume any NBA All Star weekend festivities?
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: I was very pumped over the fact that the players
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: seemed to care.
• 2:30:20
  Speaker 3: Yes, I thought we talked about that. That was the
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 3: opening of the show today.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: I thought that for me, like, look, there's issues in
• 2:30:27
  Speaker 4: every sport, and right now, the issue for the NBA,
• 2:30:32
  Speaker 4: I think was the perceived apathy by the athletes by
• 2:30:36
  Speaker 4: the fan base. Because the cost of going to a game,
• 2:30:41
  Speaker 4: the cost of taking your family to a game, grabbing
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 4: a beer at a game, or.
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 3: Just some popcorn.
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 4: It's getting to be a situation where it's really inconvenient,
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 4: even if you do well in life. And when you
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 4: feel like the athletes are sitting out not because they
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 4: need to, but because they want to, and when you
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 4: tune in to watch them, and it's just like a
• 2:30:57
  Speaker 4: little bit lackluster. And obviously there's all that conversation from
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 4: the last couple of weeks about tanking. I thought that
• 2:31:03
  Speaker 4: the NBA was coming up on kind of a serious
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 4: perception problem, and this helped to put that at least
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 4: on the back burner for the weekend.
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I heard a little bit of your U the
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 15: open and then the interview did with Gordy because I
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 15: love Gordy, and I'll tell you what this came down
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 15: in my opinion, and we'll talk about it on the
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 15: show today. It came down to two players. It came
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 15: down to Victor women Yam and Anthony Edwards. Okay, they
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 15: came out from jump and said no, like I want to.
• 2:31:31
  Speaker 15: Victor wemb and Yama might literally save this league almost
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 15: single handedly. Hey buddy, oh yeah, I know, good boy.
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 15: I wasn't talking my dog.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 4: That was my dog.
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 3: I'm just reacting.
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 4: Spencer's reacting to my dog and unplugging my dog is
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 4: unplugging Spence's headphones, and he'll probably bite him pretty soon.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 8: This is what we ran into.
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 4: That's just the way things go. He gets, he's still
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 4: a puppy, still gets. He gets very excited to see Spence.
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 4: I love this dog rock. He's a he's a bit
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 4: of a bit of a bull in a china shop,
• 2:32:02
  Speaker 4: and of course the radio station is the china shop here,
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 4: and he is the bull.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 15: Okay, I'm back. I do love this dog, and I'm
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 15: sure he can. Duke is here, Duke is sure he
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 15: can smell Duke. But when, and Yama, I mean, first
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 15: of all, and I think I don't.
• 2:32:21
  Speaker 8: Know if I've talked to you about this before.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 15: When it comes to like the generational transfers in pro basketball, like, okay,
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 15: who's next, What's next?
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 8: What is this going to look like?
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 15: In my opinion, it doesn't come down to like the
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 15: next great young player. It comes down to the next
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 15: player who's different than anything we've ever seen before. And
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 15: for me, that's happened twice, okay because you and I
• 2:32:46
  Speaker 15: I'm a little bit older than you. But it was
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 15: you know, it was Larry, it was magic, and then
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  Speaker 15: it was Michael. And it was clearly Michael. It was
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  Speaker 15: his league, it was his game. He brought the game globally.
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  Speaker 15: Dream Team of ninety two helped, and Michael Jordan was
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  Speaker 15: thought to be not just the best basketball player of
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  Speaker 15: that generation, but potentially the best athlete and the most
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  Speaker 15: well known athlete then Tiger kind of came in and
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  Speaker 15: was doing Tiger things. So as Mike was aging, the
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  Speaker 15: conversation in pro basketball is like, Okay, well, what's next
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 15: for this generation? Kobe comes in the league and you're like, Okay,
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  Speaker 15: he's awesome, but I've seen this. It's and Kobe, by
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  Speaker 15: his own admissions several times in books that he wrote
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  Speaker 15: or interviews that he did, and look, we all did this.
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  Speaker 15: If we were playing basketball in the nineties, there was
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  Speaker 15: a commercial campaign that was literally be like Mike, everybody
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  Speaker 15: wanted to do it. Kobe accomplished it, and he was
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  Speaker 15: the only one that was able to utilize it, you know,
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  Speaker 15: on a level where he was also very dominant for
• 2:33:44
  Speaker 15: a generation.
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  Speaker 8: But it wasn't new, it wasn't different.
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  Speaker 15: And then you start hearing about Lebron when Lebron's like
• 2:33:51
  Speaker 15: sixteen or seventeen, so and it's like, okay, let's see
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  Speaker 15: what this looks like. And now all these high school
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  Speaker 15: games were televised. Back when Lebron was a senior, no
• 2:34:00
  Speaker 15: high school games were televised, And he's on the cover
• 2:34:03
  Speaker 15: of Sports Illustrated and ESPN says we're gonna go cover
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  Speaker 15: a high school game. Bill Walton was on the call,
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  Speaker 15: and I remember watching that game going, oh, all right,
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  Speaker 15: well that's the answer. Because Lebron was different than Kobe
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  Speaker 15: or Mike. It's a different thing. And so now as
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  Speaker 15: Lebron is aging, we've been waiting for okay, what's the
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  Speaker 15: different thing. And the different thing is wemben Yama. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: you watch him play, you're like, they need to raise
• 2:34:24
  Speaker 15: the rim. Dude, it's unfair. But he also wants to
• 2:34:30
  Speaker 15: kill you, slit your throat and watch you die like
• 2:34:32
  Speaker 15: Kobe and Mike did.
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  Speaker 8: Like he wants to compete. He's there to win.
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  Speaker 15: And so over the weekend, when both Aunt and wembin
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  Speaker 15: Yama were all in on winning the thing, the old
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 15: heads had no choice. They had to play harder. They
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 15: were gonna get embarrassed. And you know, the final game,
• 2:34:48
  Speaker 15: the young kids actually did embarrass the older players, but
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 15: we saw a great Kawhi stretch. Lebron was engaged, like ultimately,
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  Speaker 15: I think wemben Yama and Anthony Edwards they set the
• 2:34:58
  Speaker 15: tone and everyone else followed.
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  Speaker 8: It really fun.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they'll save the league. We'll see.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you hear Spence talk about it on the Drive today.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for listening. To the Sean O'Connell show. We'll do
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  Speaker 4: it again tomorrow. Stay tuned for the drive. It's ESPN
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