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LIV's Last Stand, MLB Payrolls Show Little Playoff Payoff, an NFL Retirement and Ohio State Football · Bottom Line on Sports

• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, everybody?
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to yet another episode of the bottom line on sports.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's Jeremy Pink.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm John Jacques Taylor.
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• 0:17
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• 0:22
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• 0:41
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• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, we like to start every show with a number.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: This week's number is what?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: This week's number is a 106 million dollars.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: And what exactly is that?
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: That is the estimated amount of money that John Rom has earned on the Live Golf Tour over the last three years.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: That includes the direct payments that he gets plus any tournament winnings.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: $106 million, which is important right now because Liv is essentially going bankrupt or is bankrupt, and John Rom has said, I'm not gonna, I don't think I'm gonna participate there next year.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: It seems to me like it was one hell of a gravy train.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_00: And it lasted what, three years, four years?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: Lasted a few years, yeah.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I you can't, you know, if somebody offered you this amount of money to, you know, write a sports column, I uh you'd have to you'd have to consider it.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: I always think about it, man.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because of where the money came from for the live tournament, I mean live uh tour.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, you had a lot of people saying, I wouldn't take that money.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I've had this conversation a million times.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's usually about women, but it it works for money as well.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: You can't really say what you'll do until that moment of truth is really at you.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's 100% right.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I would run into a burning house to save people if I knew they were in there.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, everybody would say that until there's a house burning, and you gotta go, well, uh, you know, I guess I'm willing to sacrifice my life to go try to save these people.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'd like to all think that we would do that, but you never know.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: So if somebody came and said, We'll offer you 15 times more than you make right now to come work for actually, I had someone I it wasn't quite that extreme, but I had a similar circumstance actually recently.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody said, Well, pay you this much to work for us.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: And for purposes of this conversation, I'll just be like, I thought about it and I was just like, I really don't know if I want to do that.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Is that enough money for me to compromise?
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not, it's sports, and so but but there was a price, but there was a price though, yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: Price made me think about it, and I was just like, and so I did it for a short period of time, and then a natural break happened, and when they called back again, I didn't return a call.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I've been in a situation very similar to that where I was offered a lot of money to do something, and then I looked up the background of the people who were involved, and I said, I I I just I don't think I'll be comfortable doing it, but it was all it was for a lot of money, and then about two years later, there was a there was a huge story on in one major publication about one of the people who I was dealing with, and he was going to be in prison for X number of years or was being hunted.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_01: I don't remember exactly what.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: So, but but here the other thing, so John Rahm and other golfers go on the Live Tour.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of hand-wringing.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: How can you take that money?
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Putting aside what you think of the Saudi Arabia and their human rights issues, and you know, you there is people who will take a moral stance on that, which I obviously respect.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, do what kind of impact will that have long term on their careers?
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: My answer is nobody cares.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody cares.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_01: So John Ron made he's gonna make he's made more on the live tour than I think he did his entire life on PGA.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's okay.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think Bryson DeChambeau, he's okay.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think the question is, and I don't know the answer to this, you may know it.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, because I follow golf in a cursory manner.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, is PGA gonna welcome them back, or are they or is the PGA gonna make them jump through some hoops?
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I think probably both.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: I I think the you know, if if the uh you know it depends, it depends on the star power.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like every other industry or business, depends on the star power.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: There'll be a lot of a lot of harsh words and hand-wringing and public displays of whatever public displays of concern.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: And right, but at the end of the day, John Rom's a big name, you know, Brooks Kepka's a big name, etc.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: etc.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be back on the PGA eventually.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: They may get they may get fined, or but it's got 106 million, I don't think you care about it.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's not gonna matter.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're ultimately like in three or four years, they're all gonna be playing on the PGA tour, and no one's gonna remember.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like it's probably not dissimilar to what happened with the ABA and the NBA, you know, way, way a long time ago.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh my god, it's a rogue league, and this this guy did this, and this guy did that, and you know, five years later, six years later, Julius Irving's playing on uh the 76ers and they win the NBA title, and nobody's I just think it's uh we're talking about thousands, or I'm talking about thousands, or hundreds of not even hundreds of thousands.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but um I can't imagine, you know, you make a couple million and somebody says, oh, you can make 30 million.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that just that not only changes your life, you know, that changes several generations.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so let's say uh I think it's I I'm always very careful about saying what I would or would not do given a certain certain set of circumstances because you do not know, you're a hundred percent right until you're confronted with it.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: By the way, also a very specific moment in time, too, the reaction could be very different.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, that's true.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and so I look so to me, John Rahm got in at a good time, and he's getting out at a good time, making a lot of money, put aside what you think about Saudi Arabia and human rights issues and in the sports washing of everything, which is we could have an entire conversation on that.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's probably not necessarily what the goal of this uh this show is.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he's gonna look up in a year, two years, he's gonna eventually find his way back in the PGA tour, and it's not gonna matter.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, I don't I don't think it is.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Ultimately, I don't think it is.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: Bottom line for me is he just had to figure out which one of his mansions he wants to live in.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: He's got enough money to pick and choose, and um, you know, life when you don't have to worry about money or money's not really a concern, you know, that's a uh that's a different world for most folks.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's absolutely bottom line, bottom line for me is a lot of hand-wringing, a lot of consternation about live, a lot of consternation about these players, and that you know, a year from now, uh probably even less than a year from now, nobody's gonna care.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, let's move on to something more enlightening, which is the Yankees.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, that's not more enlightening.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say the baseball playoffs.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the New York Yankees are dead.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: One of my best friends in Dallas grew up in Brooklyn, a huge Yankees fan.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: He put on Twitter yesterday, fire everybody.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know if it's that extreme, but what I I I did stay up and uh let me be honest with y'all.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, I have kind of a hate-love relationship with baseball right now.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's a little too boring for me, and the Rangers weren't any good this year, so I didn't have anything to pull me into it.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it is October magic, it's October baseball, it's tension, it's uh you know the best baseball has to offer.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I haven't watched any full any games from start to finish, but I did check out uh the Yankees and the Rays starting in the seventh inning.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then I watched uh probably the first four or five innings of the Padres and the Brewers, and that was pretty good.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then I had to go to bed because I had to get up early this morning.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: But October baseball is here, and guess what, man?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: That's a lot of small market teams kicking butt, taking names.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, it's it's small market teams and it's also small payroll teams.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_01: So so we were we were looking it up to see of the so we're taping this on a what is it, Thursday night.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_01: We're taping this on a we're we're taping this on a Thursday night.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: And um we there's so there's five teams left.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um of those five teams, only the Dodgers are in the top 10 in terms of payroll.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Dodgers are number two in payroll, um, and then the remaining four teams, the Brewers are in, they're 19, White Sox are 24, the Tampa's 28, they're also in, and the Guardians are 30.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_01: So there's no team in the top 18 other than the Dodgers in terms of payroll.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: So the whole this whole narrative that money, you have to have money in order to win in the sport, and that you're dominating this sport, and that that's the only way to do it is it's just not true.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: It's just uh I mean, I don't know how they I don't know how they're gonna maybe they'll just stop trying to sell that narrative and just say we want a salary cap to save money.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_00: That would be more like I saw um this is a quick AZ ramp.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: I saw something on Twitter yesterday that some guy was saying, I would never donate to a fundraiser at my daughter's school just because he goes, I'm donating to my daughter's fundraiser now because the fundraiser slip that they sent home said, donate ten dollars because that's what you would have spent, you know, putting ingredients for some cookies for the bake sale.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And the last one was like, donate$100 just so we won't bug you anymore this year about another donation.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: He said they were so upfront about it, I appreciated it.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so I just said, I'll donate.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: I feel the same way about baseball.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: They should just go, you know what?
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: We were lying about the small market, big market thing.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: We just want a salary cap to protect us from ourselves.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you guys agree?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: What do y'all want so that we can put in a salary cap?
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think they'd have more success in negotiating if they just said that.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you look at it, you know, and even uh there's I mean, when you look at these teams left, there's no guarantee that the Dodgers win the World Series.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're the favorite, but you know, I you know, I wouldn't be shocked if uh if uh if they lost to uh Milwaukee or if Tampa Bay gets there and they lost to Tampa Bay.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I I do think I think that, you know, a couple things.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: One is that I I agree with you on baseball.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think playoff baseball is in in many ways a better, a better watch on a better game to watch than almost any other playoff sport.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, the the gulf between a regular watching a regular season game of baseball and a playoff game, that gulf and that distance is greater than almost any other sport.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't count the NBA because the NBA doesn't really have a regular season that I consider is real, you know.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say what about hockey?
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think the I think hockey and NBA have such watered down regular seasons that they don't really matter, you know.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: You just you just gotta get you gotta be you gotta be in the top half of the league to get in, and it doesn't really matter, you know.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, if you did that in baseball right now, the baseball regular season nobody would care either because you just it it so I think baseball has probably the maximum number of teams.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um but I think I think that's number one.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Number two is in playoff baseball, though, the most important thing is to have good starting pitching, right?
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what the Dodgers have bought, which is good starting pitching.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: However, any of these teams could have bought Tariq Scuble for this postseason because he's gonna be a free agent next year.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: They any of them could have done that, but the Dodgers did that.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: So I think the difference between the Dodgers and the other high payroll teams is that you have a lot of people with money in this world who aren't very smart, but then you have people with money who know what the hell they're doing.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: And the Dodgers are a team that has is spending money and knows what they're doing.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's the difference, you know.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone's piling, and I uh you know I'm an LA Dodgers, LA's my sort of transplanted city because my kids are there and everything, but um, and I'm I go to Dodgers games, but I I the Dodgers ownership group is just better, and that's why they're there.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: And these other ownerships with lower uh payrolls, they're also better, but they're just managing it with lower money, and I think that's what we're saying.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, it's a great point.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: And the other part of that point is when you talk about the Dodgers and them managing it with pitching and spending big dollars on pitching and always going to get the best pitchers and the best starters and all this, that's all great.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Then you look at Milwaukee and you look at Tampa and look at how they play, which is we don't have the most talent.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: So, number one, we're gonna be superior defensively, right?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: And number two, we're gonna play small ball and we're gonna make you make every single solitary play every game, and we're gonna put so much pressure on you from taking an extra base and being aggressive, and we're going to hope that at some point you break and make a mistake and we score some unearned runs, and that's how we make up for what we lack in star power, and it works, yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that that, but that'll show you that it's a money, certainly you you can certainly do more if you have money, but if you have money and you don't have an organization that's any good, it doesn't really matter that much.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's what we're seeing this year.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I and conversely, if you look at Tampa, which is always in the lower end of the payrolls, I think what were they like 28th this year or 30th in 10 years?
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're always competitive.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: They're always competitive because the organization's good, you know.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what happens though in playoff baseball is you do need that starting pitching, you know, and so you look at the Dodgers and you go, okay, they've got Yamamoto, who is arguably the best, you know, October pitcher we've seen in you know a generation.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's he's amazing.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: They they've just hired, they rented Scoobyl for the year, and Scuble is like, you know, well, the certainly one of the top pitchers of the last you know half decade.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Then, oh, by the way, they got Blake Snell and Tyler Glasno.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: So those are their starting four, you know, and that's that's hard, that's hard to just beat that.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's hard to beat starting pitching like that over a series, which is why the Dodgers are favored.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, so they're spending their money, but they're spending it in such, and they would, by the way, also have Shohei Otani as a starter if he wasn't injured.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, they're spending their money in a way that makes sense and is designed to win in the postseason.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's how they're that's how they're doing it.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas the the Brewers and the Rays are trying to win as much as they can, and they have to win in the regular season the same way they win to the postseason.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little bit different.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh no, I would I would agree with that, but I would also say I would push back a bit and say that it's it's interesting because starting pitches is important, no doubt.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: But the managers have such quick hooks and the pitches are so stressful that in the regular season they might go six because nobody goes seven or eight, nine anymore.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: But in the postseason, that might translate to only four or you know, five plus.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think some of their advantages shrunk.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas you look at a place like Tampa, if I'm not mistaken, and I could be, Tampa started this whole thing about openers where we'll just get together.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: So they're used to having to get by and figure it out.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so um it's a fascinating to me, that's what makes this playoff fun.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because you got distinct styles of play and how people are trying to make it happen based on what how their club is built.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: And um that's that's what I like about it.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: I like the contrast right now.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: But but but I think you bring up, I think you bring up also another critical point is that I would say that the Dodgers, particularly with Dave Roberts, in the postseason, he tends to go longer with the starters, not shorter, where the other managers tend to go shorter and not longer.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's because he's he, you know, he's got better starting pitching, quite frankly.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, yeah, that's fundamentally the issue.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think uh another thing is, and I is I don't know how it plays out.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ain't no pressure on the other teams.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: The Dodgers have all the pressure.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: The Dodgers are expected to win.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: Have you but did you watch any of the did you watch the Dodgers at all during the playoffs?
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: This did you watch any of their games this any of the Braves?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, did you watch?
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I I watch it.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: There was not, it was like I watched these, I watched a number of the games, you know, and I never once thought any Dodger felt like they were gonna lose that series.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Just it just you know, you know how like when you're watching teams and you it was like watching the Kansas City Chiefs for a couple of years.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: They never thought, you know, they got the ball in the last two minutes, they knew they were gonna win, you know, or the Patriots, you know, they knew they were gonna win.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have the same sort of feeling.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: The Dodgers against the Braves, I just don't think they had there was it just didn't feel like there was any they ever thought they were gonna lose that series.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's because, and this is the trick.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: When I say all the pressures on the Dodgers, you have for the for it to have any effect, you have to be in control of the series.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the Braves got it to one-one, but they were never in control of the series.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: You have to put it in can you have to get to a position where when you're up two to one and they go, now you got a chance to go three to one.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Now that puts some pressure on them.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: But if you can never turn it and they're always comfortable, then I mean they got a team full of stars, they're not they're not going to feel it.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: You only feel pressure if you feel it, if you feel it, because everybody doesn't feel it.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: If you feel it is when the potential to get eliminated or the potential to lose is there, and now you start, you know, the meetings, you get two days of questions about hey, what if you lose, what if this, what if that?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: But but but I I think with it going back to the the original kind of uh point of bringing this up is that you've got the Dodgers have the second uh highest payroll, and then the other four teams that are remaining, as of Thursday night, are the you know, 18 to 30 in terms of payroll, you know, so they're in the bottom half.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: But if I'm a player and I'm starting to negotiate about, you know, starting December 1st, you know, then you collect a bargaining arune, I'm gonna say it doesn't matter.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: Dodgers, you know, all the Mets are paying a ton, the Blue Jays are paying a ton, the Rangers are paying a ton.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't seem to matter in terms of the results.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: So what's the point of a salary cap?
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: This could not have happened.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think this could not be better for the players in terms of a bargaining position.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, I think you're absolutely right.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see any way in the world.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's why I say what I said.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's no anywhere you could say we need a salary cap for absolutely balance.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't even matter if the Dodgers win.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because again, all the team, they're the outlier, everybody else is, you know, all the other teams, teams two through ten, paying big money.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't do anything.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so it doesn't even matter to me if the Dodgers win in terms of uh baseball trying to make its point, which is why they should just be honest about it.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Save us from ourselves.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: What do you gotta give?
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: What do we got to give up to get a capital?
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: Precisely.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's that's is that is exactly the way to look at it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: So the bottom line for me is baseball uh and its union has never been in a better spot to argue against a salary captain.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but bottom line for me, uh the Yankees still stink.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Let's move on to uh the NFL.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: Big news this week, Lane Johnson, the future Hall of Famer.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think I feel comfortable saying that, uh, abruptly retired.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh claiming, I don't want to say claiming, I don't like claiming is a citing is a much better word.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I always like to say if you tell somebody I claimed I was home last night, they go, you weren't really home.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: They don't believe you.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: So he cited uh that he uh was dealing with some mental health issues, decided to retire from the NFL.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: That launched a uh a big conversation.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, for him, uh retiring four games into the season, um, he's he's only walking away because of the way the NFL works.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: He signed an extension uh that basically prorated his salary and gave him all his money up front week one.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so he's walking away with$25 million this year.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh his base salary is$1.3 million.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be$1.3 million next year.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: But what it really does is it hamstrings the football team because Philadelphia is uh responsible for$63 million against the cap as of now.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: They might be able to maneuver it a little bit because he retired.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's going to be a big cap hit whether they split it over two years or whether they got to absorb it all this year.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's a big hit uh on them and affects their ability to do business coming down the road, especially the way they've done their contracts.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, they got they've got one of those reckoning years coming.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: They just gotta figure out when when is our team, and it could be this year, when is our team not quite you know, here's what they gotta do.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: They gotta really determine are we really Super Bowl contenders?
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we are, we'll do what we gotta do to compete for a championship.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: But if we're really not contenders, we're really not, let's just take all the cap hits and all that other stuff this year, get it out the way, or or you know, figure it out when the best way to do it is and keep it moving.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: And so their game against Jacksonville this week is huge because they got injuries, man, all on their offensive line.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now they're missing Lane Johnson.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Saquon Barkley's got a hamstring.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: They are beat up.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, this might not this might not be a year for them.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's to be determined.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: But uh with Wayne, with Lane walking away from his money and his deal, now I will tell you this.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think this will happen.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be shocked if it happened, but it's possible.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because he retired and did not fulfill his commitment this year, the Philadelphia Eagles are within their rights to say we need three-fourths of that$35 million sign and bonus back because you didn't fulfill your commitment.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what I think what I think will happen is, and again, this is gonna be dependent on the other teams as much as anything else, but I think what's gonna happen is that the the you're you're right, the Eagles are definitely within their rights to ask for that money back or a portion of that money back, but they're not gonna do it because of goodwill and a whole bunch of other reasons.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but secondly, I think the Eagles will appeal to the NFL uh you know to get some level of salary cap relief.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's I think that's a I think that's a possibility.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but what I would say also is not to be cynical because the guy's talking about his mental health, but do you think that if the Eagles were 4-0 enrolling, he would he would do this or not?
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because okay, yeah, because I I think um, and I I talk about it all the time in various platforms in various ways.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: You can never forget that these guys are just people.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: And they're young.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: We were talking about this earlier, they're young too, yeah.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, it's my understanding he's an only child, and that only matters because both his parents have serious, serious illnesses.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: So if you think about it, anybody who's ever lost a parent, you're like, oh my god, you know, uh the grief that you go through.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then as an only child, he's losing.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're both really sick right now.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: So then he has a history of depression um that he's dealt with.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: So you've got that in addition to both your parents are uh are really ill.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then he mentioned in a previous interview, uh, sometime back, within the last year or so, about how his kid was 13.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I've been playing my entire child's life.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, as uh as I've experienced myself, you know, you think you have them till they're 18 and you do, but once they hit high school, you know, they're starting to really hang out with their friends and they've got outside of school interests that they're doing.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then once they get mobile at 16, I mean, you gotta book an appointment to see a kid because they're living their life.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh at 18, whether they go to college or whether they go get a job or whether they go to the service, whatever they do, they're grown.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so your ability to see them and interact with them on an everyday basis uh normally wanes considerably.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_00: So when you put all that together, I could see why at this particular juncture he's like, you know, football just ain't on my list of priorities right now, football's like seventh or eighth.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and the game is too hard, and he's been too good for it to be seventh or eighth on his priority list.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and so uh I think that's why he walked away.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I think I think uh I think that makes sense, and I think that's good.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, you you would think that that may allow other players to maybe walk away, you know, put less of a stigma on walking away because of, you know, if they're walking away for mental health or other reasons, you know, maybe maybe that's the case.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but he was also in a position to walk away.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he had a long career, he was probably financially set, but he was in a position to walk away.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I I still, all of that said, I still think that's really hard to do.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I think if he did it after four games in the season, again, I can't read the guy's mind, but I'm sure that this was I'm sure he was something that he was considering even in the offseason.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he had already said this was gonna be his last year, so he'd already concentrated.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: So um the other thing is, man, it's it's hard for most people, it doesn't even matter if it's athletics, to walk away from a job.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because think about all the people, and I and it may it may even apply to you.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: It didn't apply to me.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm trying, it's probably because it was bank, although it really did.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I ignored it until I got to a certain age, and then I didn't ignore it.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it's this you feel like oh, I'm letting everybody down if I don't show up at work today.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: Or, you know, we were raised with a certain work ethic, you go to work, da-da-da-da-da.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas, you know, the reality of it is the job doesn't love you back.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, once I got to a certain age, I used to tell my friends who had PTO time stacked up every year.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: I like, I'm just saying, you know, God forbid, you drop dead tomorrow.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: You think they won't have somebody doing your job in a day?
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: Of course.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they might have a day where they don't know what to do, but day two, they send flowers to your house and a letter to the funeral home, but you think that they're not going to replace you.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so you're not that important, even though you think you are, and we all do, because we all got an ego that, oh, the job can't go on without me, but it trust me, it can't, it can't.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I look, I think that if you look at anything of uh like the uh you know, end-of-life care, and what do people talk about?
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, all that what do they talk about at the end?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: They never they're never they're never talking about um they're never talking about can I uh man, I wish I did that extra assignment at work, or man, you know, I wish I wouldn't have, you know.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're talking about, oh my god, I didn't go to my kids' football game.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't um uh you know, I didn't, you know, whatever.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: I missed, I missed an event, I missed some family function, I didn't take the trip that I planned.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they're talking about.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: So um, and so I I think it's uh I think it's admirable that he built up enough courage to walk away.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: And it may have taken him three weeks to build, you know.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: I could see a guy going, okay, this will be my last year, and then you get to camp and you start playing, you're like, dude.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: I I should have just I should have just, you know, yeah, of course.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I should have not even showed up.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then you just trying to fight through it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now you're hurt, now your parents are working.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's just it can be too much overwhelming.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, I I uh I would hope for him and other players that they can look at it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have to take a step back, it's hard, but take a step back because um, you know, uh, you know, one of the greatest things Dion ever told me we were talking, he said it before, but he was saying he built his run his life around, I don't love anything that can't love me back.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: What's a car, a house, a job, a career.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't love me back, I can only invest so much of my emotions into you.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then and and when he told me that, I was like, damn, I never thought about it like that.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's a good way to it's a good way to put it.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, very uh fascinating, yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, so uh, you know, the bottom line for me is I uh I hope Lane Johnson's well, and uh I'm I'm glad he uh found enough strength to walk away uh from the game.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but bottom line for me is uh it's it's hard to walk away.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard to walk away from money, and uh he's doing it for the right reasons, and maybe uh that will help others if they're in the same situation down the road, make that decision easier for them to make if they need to make it as well.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's time for our favorite part of the show.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: The Ohio State conversation.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Big win over Iowa.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: You were too pessimistic in that game.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, really.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, when we were taxing.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, uh, and so I found an interesting thing is a uh, and I see I forgot the guy's name, Kari Hardy, I think it is.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: He's a five-star defensive man, defensive tackle.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and Legend Bay did not play.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, both of them five-star caliber players, uh, freshmen.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: And in a different era, you might not care so much, but in this era where you got five to play five, and you had to re-recruit your team every year, uh, Ohio State uh message boards are buzzing with those guys are gonna leave, they're gonna leave.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_00: And to that, I say I go.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'd love to see them play, they're both talented guys, but uh Ryan Day addressed the issue this week, and I find it I find his comments very interesting.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm paraphrasing here, but he basically said everybody who shows up at Ohio State is a talented football player.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: We want guys to play as soon as they get here, but you got to earn the right to play.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: And earning the right to play is not just what you do on the field, it's off the field, it's preparation, it's all the stuff that takes into account.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: And we don't know specifically what their particular issues are.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: For example, it could be you're not practicing hard enough, it could be you're missing study halls, it could be you're not going to class.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: They're just not meeting the standards of Ohio State, right?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever that standard is.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would tell Ohio State fans, yeah, they're they both appear to be great players, um, because they're already, you know, getting they were getting playing time early as freshman.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: But um, if they want to leave because they can't reach the standard, then I would say uh good luck in your future endeavors.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: Because Ohio State has been winning national championships.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: I showed up in 1985.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: They had Heisman Trophy winners and national championships before I showed up, and they've had them since I've left.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: And if Legend Bay and Kyrie Hardy want to leave, guess what?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: Ohio State will still be rolling and doing what it does.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they'll leave, and someone will pick them up, and someone will pay them this, you know, as much or more, and they'll they'll be totally good.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think the question, you know, and but by the way, there's only a handful of programs in the country that are able to do that, that can weather the loss of that.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, Ohio State's lucky enough to be one of those programs.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I would say that there's only a handful of programs where you can legitimately compete for a national championship and get to the NFL.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we all know what they are, but I would submit to you that the standard at each of those programs, whether it's Miami, whether it's Alabama, whether it's Georgia, whether it's Texas, it's the same.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they're gonna standard.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, so if it's a standard issue, you might as well stay here.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: If it's a scheme fit, then feel free to go find a better study.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a great way to look at it.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, if it's just you can't reach whatever standard Ohio State is setting for you, then uh you got to do better because Chris Henry reached whatever that standard is.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Brock, uh whatever his name is.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: Brock Boyd from uh right outside of Dallas, number 11.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's reached that standard.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: So other people have reached whatever that standard is.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think Chris, by the way, I think Chris Henry and Brock Boyd are gonna get a lot of playing time this week.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I I do, and I think that's and I think that's good.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think they're gonna need uh, you know, the Ohio State's gonna need some more of their skill players to to step up other than Jeremiah Smith, because it they're they're very Jeremiah Smith dependent right now.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, they're gonna need Chris Henry, you're gonna need Brock Boyd, you're gonna need, you know, one of the Jackson two to step up in a big way.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so you hate that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: I know you hate that, but I love that.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's funny.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh but but the running the running game's looking a little bit better, you know.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_01: I think the offensive line's looking a little bit better.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I don't think Iowa is an enormously talented team, though.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it's hard really to gauge.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they're playing Maryland this week, which might be the second or third worst team in the Big Ten.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, see, um those those teams like Iowa was a good game to me because uh they played pretty well.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they did what they what you hoped that they would do.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't a fourth quarter game, it was over by then.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: Now it got over real quick in a matter of plays because it was a ball game and then it wasn't.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, but I think what now I'm going to I'm going to call you out on this.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think, and uh I have this problem myself sometimes.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: You have to, this is not last, this is this defense is not last year's defense.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_01: It absolutely is not.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to agree with it.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So every time they give up a big play, it can't be, oh my god, they suck.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um well now, if they were like it was whenever it was like four years ago, where literally every every game they give up 20 yard plays a game, and that's different.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: Here they're going to give up two or three a game, and you just have to go, geez.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they regroup and put it back together.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um I I agree, but they're giving up two or three big plays a game to Iowa's offense, where I think I could play tight end for Iowa's offense, you know.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: And or they gave up, they gave up probably five or six big plays against Illinois.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and so maybe so, so, so, so maybe, maybe you're right.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I and you're right, the defense isn't nearly as good as it was last year.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: No question about it.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: But I didn't expect it to because they lost so many great, great players.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: But lost three of the top nine to the NFL.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: But but sort of to go against my argument, on some of the high-leverage situations that the defense has been in, they've been pretty good.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: Last year, in the highest lever situations, the defense just folded.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_01: Not folded, the defense wasn't there.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_01: They've they've done that here.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: And the other thing that was good about this game is Ohio State just took, just literally took the air out of the ball in the last nine minutes.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, that was great.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it was there's a lot of, and that that had to do with the offensive line, and so there are sort of you know green shoots of promise that are that are happening that I I wasn't expecting this year.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: Here's what I like.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: I like the fact that uh there've been some tense moments.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: I like the fact, I mean, I don't like the fact they lost, but it's okay that they lost to me.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't matter, yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: I like the fact that they've felt some adversity.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: I you didn't as much as you enjoy it as a fan, you don't want every game to be 51 to 10.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you get to the playoff, you're not going to beat them 51 to 10.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Agreed.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if you're not used to being in some tense, taut games, if you're not used to being behind every now and then, even 10 points or so, then it just it just doesn't work out for you in the playoff era.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's okay to matter of fact, you don't even want you don't want to see Ohio State's best version right now.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: You want them to continue to get better, play some young guys like you were talking about on offense, play as many young guys as you can on defense, and you know, start peaking as you get toward the last three or four games.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think, and I think you the we'll learn a lot more about them with you know playing Oregon, USC, and Indiana.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll we'll we'll see.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and all three of those teams have the ability to put up some big plays.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: We'll we'll know we'll know what the defense is there.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what the offense is, I don't think the offense is going to have a hard time against USC or Oregon.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: Indiana hasn't played enough, hasn't played enough top-level competition to get an idea of how good their defense actually is.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so uh, but do I think Ohio State could win in a shootout against Oregon or USC?
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: I do.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Key is uh will they be able to play that physical style uh that's going to be required to beat Indiana?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: And to me, I think it's important that they beat Indiana because the last three times they've played big boys, they've lost.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: They've lost, yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so they need a win just to remind themselves that, oh, we are Ohio State.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: We beat the big boys.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: They compete against them, that's not the question.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the the Indiana game last year was absurd.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, from Ohio State should have won that game by the Ohio State should have won that game easily, and they did everything they possibly could to lose.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, and and and so, and I just can't tell.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: Indiana may be the best team in the country again this year.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't know yet.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's just hard to say.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody knows.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: And they like it that way.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we shall see.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, bottom line for me, um, I like a program with standards, even if it means losing potentially, potentially, a couple of five-star guys.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, bottom line for me, I'm actually looking forward to one of these kind of blowout games this weekend against Maryland.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: I hope that happens.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's Jeremy Pink.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Jean-Jacques Taylor.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: This has been the bottom line on sports.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: We'll talk to you guys next week.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, we'll we'll we'll see you again next time.