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142. Emily Sisson, Pro Runner · Hurdle with Emily Abbate

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  Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes when you've had such a
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  Speaker 1: bad experience, you're like you bounce back, and me like,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I have nothing to lose now because
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  Speaker 1: the thing I feared happening thought have already happened. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, fine, I survived. I'm going to keep pushing
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to keep like trying. Eventually, if you
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  Speaker 1: just like keep showing up, I guess this does says
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  Speaker 1: or just like the rule of numbers, like something will
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  Speaker 1: eventually work out. So I'm just gonna keep working hard.
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  Speaker 1: In the meantime.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, EMILYA Badi here bringing you episode one forty
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  Speaker 2: Episode one two with Emily Sisson. She is a professional runner,
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  Speaker 2: a New Balance sponsored athlete, and such a kind hearted human.
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  Speaker 2: For today's episode, we talk all about her upbringing, trying
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  Speaker 2: her hand at a slew of different sports like soccer
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  Speaker 2: and gymnastics, to transferring schools and college, and finding her
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  Speaker 2: footing as a runner at Providence. Em tells me all
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  Speaker 2: about how she is so inspired by one of her
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  Speaker 2: good friends and training partner Molly Huddle, and what it
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  Speaker 2: was like for her to not perform as she'd hoped
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  Speaker 2: at the Olympic Marathon trials earlier in twenty twenty. She
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  Speaker 2: also tells me what she's looking forward to in the
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  Speaker 2: year to come, aka racing more. And since we chatted,
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  Speaker 2: she did indeed run the Valencia Half, which we talked
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  Speaker 2: about in today's episode, and she scored a personal best
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  Speaker 2: time of sixty seven minutes twenty six seconds, absolutely outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: She did notably fall one second short of the American record,
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  Speaker 2: which I can only imagine how how frustrating that was
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  Speaker 2: for her, but again, a personal best time. So let's
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  Speaker 2: find the cell of our linings, just like we're working
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  Speaker 2: to do twenty twenty and build from there. Thanks so
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  Speaker 2: much to New Balance for helping setting this up, to
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  Speaker 2: Emily for her time. I really enjoyed our conversation and
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  Speaker 2: hurdling today. I am talking to Emily Sisson. She is
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  Speaker 2: a professional runner with New Balance. How you doing today?
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  Speaker 1: I am I'm good. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I uh, you and I have
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  Speaker 2: something in common that, aside from the fact that we're
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  Speaker 2: both named to Emily.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, that's what you're gonna say.
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  Speaker 2: We both just ran the New York City Marathon.
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  Speaker 1: Oh did you? How do this go?
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  Speaker 2: It went phenomenal. It was just this isn't about me,
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  Speaker 2: but it went really well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Mine went well too. That's awesome to hear. Though.
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  Speaker 1: Where'd you do yours?
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  Speaker 2: So I'm actually in New York?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so that's nice. Did you do it on
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  Speaker 1: the course or did you do it like in Central
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  Speaker 1: Park or where'd you go for yours?
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  Speaker 2: I definitely remixed it a little bit, just because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the route would have been like much more
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  Speaker 2: accessible had the roads all been shut down. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I did mine really like kind of perimeter of Manhattan,
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  Speaker 2: a little into Brooklyn and back. And it was it
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  Speaker 2: was an experience, I mean virtual marathoning. Huh oh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's something else. It's very different. But that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: You were able to do it in New York. You
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  Speaker 1: kind of got like the actual feel of doing the
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  Speaker 1: marathon of New York.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely when it came for you for the virtual aspect
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  Speaker 2: of it, did you deal with any of the oddities
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  Speaker 2: of like the fact that the roads weren't closed or like,
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  Speaker 2: how did you navigate some of that kind of troubleshooting?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so early on, which we didn't know where we
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  Speaker 1: were going to be when I did mine. Our plans
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  Speaker 1: have changed like so many times throughout the past few months,
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  Speaker 1: but we always planned on either doing it on a
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  Speaker 1: bike path or on like around a lake or some
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  Speaker 1: kind of like loop in like a rural neighborhood where
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  Speaker 1: you aren't around cars. But we kept changing. I think
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  Speaker 1: we had three or four different ideas for courses. So
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it worked out. We just went to a
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  Speaker 1: bike path.
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  Speaker 2: Just went to a bike path. Perfect. And besides that,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, had you been doing any other sort of
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  Speaker 2: virtual racing over the last five, six, seven months?
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  Speaker 1: No, that was my first virtual race. Yeah, I've done
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  Speaker 1: a few like virtual races where you like sign up
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  Speaker 1: and it's for like a great cause you donate to it,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like you do it in your training run
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  Speaker 1: and you just post your result. But this was actually
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  Speaker 1: like more like a race. But this is my first one,
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  Speaker 1: so it's different for sure. But it's kind of nice
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  Speaker 1: to have something right now.
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  Speaker 2: Would you do it again?
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  Speaker 1: Would I do it again? Ideally we'll have in person races.
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  Speaker 1: I'm hoping next year. But if not, I wouldn't say no,
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  Speaker 1: but I am. I'm one of the optimistic ones. I
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna have races next year, so we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: I like that positive outlook, and then I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 2: get off the virtual racing note in just a second.
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  Speaker 2: But did you have any other really big takeaways from
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  Speaker 2: your virtual experience?
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  Speaker 1: There are a few takeaways. For the most part, we
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  Speaker 1: just treated it like a hard training run or like
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  Speaker 1: a hard long run, which I often do in marathon
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  Speaker 1: build ups anyway, but I never go that long. They're
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  Speaker 1: usually like anywhere from twenty two to twenty four miles.
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  Speaker 1: I've done one that long, but I've never done a
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  Speaker 1: full marathon and a build up before, so it was
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  Speaker 1: treated like a long run, but I'm not. I haven't
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  Speaker 1: been running the mileage and normally running when I'm doing
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  Speaker 1: a marathon build up, so it was more just cool
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  Speaker 1: to see my body can still handle that distance and
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  Speaker 1: that and running like a good solid effort over twenty
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  Speaker 1: six miles when I'm not like specifically in like a
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  Speaker 1: major in person marathon build.
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  Speaker 2: Up obviously, though you haven't been you know, running at
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  Speaker 2: this level and performing and crushing major marathons for your
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  Speaker 2: entire life. So why don't we dial it back and
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  Speaker 2: you talk to me about growing up? Were you always
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  Speaker 2: an active person? So?
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  Speaker 1: I was one of those kids growing up that did
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  Speaker 1: just like every sport. I just tried pretty much everything.
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  Speaker 1: Like me and one of my childhood friends, we just
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  Speaker 1: take turns picking a sport each like either in the
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  Speaker 1: fall er in the spring, and we just tried different ones.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't very good at most of them, but I
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  Speaker 1: was pretty good at soccer, So I played that for
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  Speaker 1: like a few years until I was like maybe twelve
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  Speaker 1: or thirteen, and then I actually got into running through
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  Speaker 1: some teammates on my soccer team, so I did. But
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  Speaker 1: I did like everything, like I don't know, basketball, gymnastics, softball, dance,
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  Speaker 1: like everything. I was so so bad at most of them,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't know, like trying them all out.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have one that was kind of a favorite
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  Speaker 2: over the others?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely soccer. I loved soccer. Yeah, Me and Ham
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  Speaker 1: was like my idol growing.
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  Speaker 2: Up for sure. So I mean, did you think from
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  Speaker 2: a young age playing all these sports that you would
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  Speaker 2: go on to play when you went to college.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wanted to actually because I just loved, like,
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  Speaker 1: I love being active and I love playing soccer, and
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  Speaker 1: both my parents were actually like athletes in college, so
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  Speaker 1: we were just like kind of an active family. My
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  Speaker 1: mom was actually a really good gymnast, and I like,
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought I was going
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  Speaker 1: to be a good one too, but I was terrible
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  Speaker 1: at it. I was so bad gymnastic, so that was
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  Speaker 1: like nipped in the but really fast. But I did
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  Speaker 1: enjoy it anyway. But yeah, my dad was a runner,
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  Speaker 1: my mom was a gymnast. So like we've always just
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  Speaker 1: had like kind of an active household. But my parents
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  Speaker 1: never pushed us to do any one sport. They kind
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  Speaker 1: of were always like just explored, have fun, like and
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  Speaker 1: even when I got into running, my dad was actually
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  Speaker 1: very against me only running from such a young age.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, it's really important that you keep doing
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  Speaker 1: team sports and you don't just like get too focused
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  Speaker 1: and too serious about one sport when you're only twelve
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  Speaker 1: or thirteen. So, yeah, we had an active household.
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  Speaker 2: So you ultimately go to start college at the University
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  Speaker 2: of Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: Correct, Yeah, yeah, I did.
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  Speaker 2: When you started at Wisconsin, what were your goals as
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  Speaker 2: an athlete?
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  Speaker 1: So I went to Wisconsin because I grew up kind
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  Speaker 1: of all over the Midwest, but my parents went to Wisconsin.
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  Speaker 1: I just remember thinking it was a really cool college
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  Speaker 1: when I was younger, and I did love Madison. Madison
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  Speaker 1: is a city, is amazing. The winters are rough, but
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  Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh, I love like the school and
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  Speaker 1: I love the city. I'm going to go here and
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  Speaker 1: just run. I'm sure, like wherever I go around, things
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  Speaker 1: will just work out. But when I went my freshman year,
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  Speaker 1: the program really just didn't suit me, just the I
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  Speaker 1: just needed a different coaching style. So I decided to
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  Speaker 1: transfer my at the end of my freshman year and
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  Speaker 1: went to Providence College, where Ray Tracy, who is my
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  Speaker 1: current coach, started coaching me.
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  Speaker 2: So you decide to transfer to Providence, and how is
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  Speaker 2: Providence once you get there?
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  Speaker 1: Oh? I loved it. I mean I had a really
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  Speaker 1: good experience. My teammates are some of my best friends
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  Speaker 1: to this day. That's where I met my husband. So
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  Speaker 1: just from up here, like just I enjoyed the team
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  Speaker 1: and how like a really good overall college experience, and
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  Speaker 1: then running went well as well, so overall, it just
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  Speaker 1: was a great decision. So yeah, I have really fond
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  Speaker 1: memories of Providence. I do miss it. I try to
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  Speaker 1: get back for training trips, but this year has been weird.
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  Speaker 2: This year has definitely been weird. Also, I mean, Providence
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  Speaker 2: so far from where you grew up. Yeah, I grew up.
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  Speaker 1: All over the Midwest, so it's definitely different. But I
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  Speaker 1: kind of liked it. I liked just experiencing something new.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I loved living in New England. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. We might move back there some day, I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea, but right now we're in Arizona for
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  Speaker 1: the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'm born and raised in Connecticut, and
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  Speaker 2: so I can definitely attest, as you know from your
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  Speaker 2: time in Providence, that a New England, you know, colonial
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  Speaker 2: isn't a bad thing to strive for.
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  Speaker 1: No, you know what I really miss actually is like
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  Speaker 1: New England just autumn and fall, Like it's just beautiful
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  Speaker 1: there that time of year, and it's so hot here
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona, and so everyone's like posting these beautiful pictures,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, it's one hundred degrees here, but it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: In January, it'll be really nice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we'll all be like absolutely frozen popsicles
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  Speaker 2: walking around here in New York. Okay. So, but in Providence,
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  Speaker 2: you obviously had a lot going on with being both
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  Speaker 2: a student athlete as well as a student. So how
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  Speaker 2: did you find any amount of balance in doing both
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  Speaker 2: of those.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I've always been pretty good at balancing things.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just I went to pretty
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  Speaker 1: challenging high schools, so I feel like, kind of like
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  Speaker 1: at a younger age, I had to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: balance things pretty well. So college I always found to
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  Speaker 1: be a little easier actually than high school. For some reason.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't get like perfect straight a's in college, but
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  Speaker 1: I had like like a solid i don't know, probably
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  Speaker 1: like three point five GPA, had like friends and a boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: and like was running, and like running went pretty well
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  Speaker 1: for the most part. I think definitely my fifth year
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  Speaker 1: I came on a lot. But yeah, no, I think
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  Speaker 1: I really had a good four years or five years
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  Speaker 1: in college. So yeah, I think I just I was
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  Speaker 1: pretty lucky. I learned at a younger age how to
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  Speaker 1: balance kind of a lot.
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  Speaker 2: And when you started to see success in your sport,
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  Speaker 2: talk to me about when you started to realize just
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  Speaker 2: how stellar of an athlete that you were.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. I did have success when I was younger.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely in high school, I noticed and that made me
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  Speaker 1: really want to go on and run in college. And
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  Speaker 1: I loved running in college. But I definitely went through
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  Speaker 1: a bit of a period where I wasn't sure I
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  Speaker 1: actually wanted to keep running after college. I thought I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to go back to school maybe and maybe even
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  Speaker 1: I was thinking at the time of going back to
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  Speaker 1: school do something in education. But my fifth year, going
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  Speaker 1: into my senior year, my husband and I went to
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  Speaker 1: Ireland and that's where he's from, and we usually would
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  Speaker 1: spend re summer in college, just like in his hometown,
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  Speaker 1: and just like it was the perfect way to like
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  Speaker 1: relax and reset after a crazy year. And there were
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  Speaker 1: some road races that we jumped into just for fun,
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  Speaker 1: and we like did those instead of like tempo workouts
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  Speaker 1: that we were supposed to do, and I just like
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  Speaker 1: loved racing on the roads so much. I was like, wait, no,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of actually like I think I want to
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  Speaker 1: do this for a really long time. So we came
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  Speaker 1: back to Providence for my senior year and I didn't
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: have a cross country season, so sorry. It was my
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: fifth year. So I did a bunch of road races
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: in the fall, and I like loved it. I did
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: have some success with those, doing like the twelve k
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: and like Alexandria I think it was twelve k and
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: doing like CBS five k and tough, and I just
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: like had so much fun that I was like, oh, wait, no,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: I want to see what I can do after college too.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Now, when you were doing the road racing, was it
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: just like a completely entirely different experience than than the
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: racing that you were doing as a college athlete.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it really was. And I think I just I'm
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: such a runner that loves going off field, and so
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it kind of was nice for me to like take
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: away like track splits and just kind of run and
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: do something totally different, mix it up, do something fun
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I've never done before, and just run really hard on
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: some like random road races. And I feel like it
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: kind of just like sparked this fire again and I
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I really want to see what I
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: can do. So then I came back and I do
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: love track as well, but I do feel like the roads.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: I've always felt this little extra bit of I don't know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: just something.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Do you remember the first road race that you came
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: in first in.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: It actually might have been one of those local races
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: in Ireland, and they're so funny. It was so Irish.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: It was just on this like road loop and they're
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: like it's five miles issh, but they don't actually measure it,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: so so like times don't really mean anything, and I
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: just remember it was just so fun and like after
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: the race, like we hung out some local pub in
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: Ireland and just like had like food and drinks and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: it was like just such a great.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: Time, such a great time. So then you mentioned that
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: you had really thought about not pursuing a career as
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a runner after college. What was the thing, aside from
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: this road racing that really made that decision for you?
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I kind of felt like my running
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: had like plateaued a bit. I was starting to see
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: interest in like other areas. So I don't know, I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: think that's normal. I've been running for so long. I
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: started running when I was like twelve or thirteen, and
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: so I was just kind of going through a phase
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: where like I had some other interests. But then yeah,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think after I did some road races, I was like, yeah,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I think my motivation just kind of took off again.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And I've been pretty motivated ever since.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: So in making that decision to go quote unquote pro
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: what And I think this is like a popular question
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: or something that people just aren't sure about, Like for you,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: what did that mean? Were you getting sponsorships right off
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: the bat? Were people seeking you out? Did you have
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: a coach that you were working? How did that all
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: transition for you?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: So I think like going into my fifth year, I
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: don't think I had like that impressive of a resume
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: where I would have had like a bunch of sponsors
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: coming after me. But I think I was so motivated
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: going into my fifth year I was able to have
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: some success. I think that's when I said the indoor
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: five k record for on the track and I ran
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a won a couple of NCAA titles. So coming on
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I did have some opportunities to run and was offered
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a couple of different sponsors or I was looking at
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a couple different sponsorships and in the end, decided to
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: go with New Balunds because they've just been such a
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: great company and I've known athletes that have run for
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: them and they've treated like my friends really well in
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: the past. And then they also allowed me to stay
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: with my coach Ray, so that was all pretty important
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: to me.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: What kind of times are we talking about here, m
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: So I ran it was fifteen twelve indoors in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: five k, and I think that was the Armory and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I don't remember actually what my
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: times were in the ten No, no, I didn't run
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: the ten k. I won the five k indoors in
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: the five k outdoors, but I don't think either of
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: those times were that quick, really bad up sorting. I
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: can't remember the times.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: But no, no, you're good, You're good. It just seems
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: completely for you know, the average Joe, to be unfathomable,
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: like how can someone run a split that is around
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a five minute mile and do that for multiple miles?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Like it just feels completely insane. And for you when
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: someone asks you how do I get faster? That classic
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: running question, what where do you even start? When it
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: comes to advice, with an answer.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: It's funny I get that question so often. I like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I've been a lot better answering, like dms on Instagram,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm still like really fur behind on them. But
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: so many people ask that question. They're like, how do
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I get faster? And like it is a complex question,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: but the biggest thing is just consistency, like give it time.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Like all these runners that are having success, all these
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: US women distance runners that are having success right now
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: or in their like late twenties thirties, like they've been
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: doing this for years. So I think, honestly, just year
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: after year, when you can stack consistent training upon each other,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: that like that's how you improve. And I see the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: biggest like leaps of improvement when I have like the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: least amount of like downtime due to injuries or setbacks
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and I can just like put stack months and months
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: on top of each other. I like see huge improvements
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: when I can do that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Aside from consistency, would you say just the drive to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: run faster or like implementing faster running is also super important?
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean training wise, Yeah, I think like
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: implementing I really benefit from tempo work and long runs.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But then also keeping with doing faster stuff on the
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: track too. It's funny because as I've gotten like in
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: doing high your mileage, I've actually gone faster and it
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: kind of goes against what like I believed before. But
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: my like ten kPr and I did like a six
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: mile tempo or six mile time trial leading into the
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Olympic trials, and it was like on par with my
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: ten k, Like my two fastest times over that distance
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: both came in the middle of marathon build ups. So
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, this doesn't make sense, but I think
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it actually does for me because I benefit a lot
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: from doing high mileage and some people are different. Some
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: people benefit from doing less mileage but more quality work
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: on the track. And I think it really depends on
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the person. But for me getting faster it comes with
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: getting aerobically stronger, so it yeah, it depends.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Though, And you mentioned aerobically stronger, So are you regularly
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: supplementing the running that you're doing with any other sort
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of cardioactivity.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I get asked that question a lot too, and no,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I don't like supplement unless unless I'm coming back off
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: an injury or I'm like slowly building my mileage back
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: up after break then I might supplement a bit, But
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: for me, cross training is something I just use when,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like if I have to like skip an evening run,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: if I have a little niggl or something, I might
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: like implement it then, but sometimes I just let my
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: body rest. Like every once in a while in a marathon,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: bill if I just take like an evening run off
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: because I'm like, well, something feels a little off, I'm
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: just gonna go, like get a massage and I'll probably find.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Tomorrow and.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And like making that callum being a little flexible, I
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: think is also the key to longevity. I think I'm
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: actually pretty good at that. A lot of assistance owners
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: we get very set and like this is what I'm
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: supposed to do today, and this is what I have
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: written down the piece of paper. My coach gives me
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a piece of paper with my schedule on it. But
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I've been pretty good. If I have something pop up,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I can push a work out back at day or
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I can like give an evening run a miss and
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: either hop on the olliptico or aquajug or even just
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: take that evening run off or something. I think that's
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: been pretty key for me.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And it's so it sounds like being flexible is an
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: integral part of your training. I mean, has it all
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: always been something that felt attainable to you to be
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: this flexible, or was there another time in your career
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: so far where you didn't really allow yourself this flexibility
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and were more rigid with what you had going on.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I think that's also a good question. I think I'm
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: more flexible now because I don't have like a whole
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: team that like is depending on each other. It's just
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: me and my husband for the most part. Molly and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I sync up every once in a while, but we
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: more often than not are not like right now, She's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: in Providence and I'm in Arizona, so we're not training together.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So for me and I don't always push workouts off
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: a day, but I'm just not afraid to do that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: if I need to, and it's not a big deal
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and it's just me working out because I'm not letting
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: anyone down, Like I'm not. No one's like depending on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: me at the workout to like pull them along. So
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: it definitely is easier now than it would have been
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: like in college when I had a whole team and
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: that her workout day was on a Tuesday or something.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I can't just push it off because that's not what
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: the team's doing. So there's pros and cons to having
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: a team and being more individual. And there are some
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: days I like, would love to have other people to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: run with and train with. And then there are days
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I guess it is nice, it can
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: be flexible, and I have some autonomy, but pros and
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: cons of each I guess.
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• 28:25
  Speaker 1: So I think the biggest thing for me is I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: have a pretty good chiropractor here in Phoenix, and he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: pretty good at like looking at me and seeing what
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: my weaknesses are. So I'll do a bit of strength work,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: like two to three times a week, and then I'll
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: see him probably once every week or every other week,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: just for like adjustments and like bodywork. I respond really
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: well to like active release therapy, and I think just
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: rest recovery, strength, like staying on top of sleep and
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: eating while all those little things there's no like special secret,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: it's all. It's just that I think my career has
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: benefited from seeing like how Mollie has. Like I watching
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Mollie's career because she's seven years older than me when
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I came out of college. I could watch her and
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: see how she trained and how she rested and how
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: she handled everything. And so I feel like I kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of had a leg up on everyone because I got
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to watch her to do it. So all these little
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  Speaker 1: things they add up. But I don't know if that
• 29:21
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• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Oh No, it definitely made sense. I mean, it's so
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• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and an inspiration for you. I mean, has she not?
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's interesting. We were talking about this on
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the run the other day. It kind of just was
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: assumed that she was the mentor. But I never, like,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: there was never this conversation when I came out of college, like,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: oh well you mentored me. Like I just like jumped
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in and started running with her. I would do some
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: of her workouts, and then we got to the point
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: where like we could push each other in workouts. We
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: do tempos apart, we don't do those together, but when
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: we're training on the track, we'll do like track workouts together,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: longer intervals together, and like regular runs. So so yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it's been really helpful to observe her. And she told me,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: she's like, when I came out of college, I had
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: all these women around that I could watch, and like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: she's like, you just had me. I was like, yeah,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: we're pretty good. So it's worked out well.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So it's worked out well. The name of the podcast
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: is Hurdle. We all go through different moments in life
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that might feel like failures are just really big exactly hurdles.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: When you think about your career so far as a
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: professional athlete. What are some of the biggest hurdles that
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: stand out to you?
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Some of the biggest hurdles. It's funny sometimes the biggest hurdles,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like at the time they feel like these massive hurdles,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and looking back they seem smaller. But I'd say, going
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: through that little funk in college where I thought I
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: lost my interest in the sport for a bit, that
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: was a hurdle at the time. I feel like right now,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: honestly going through a bit of a hurdle. My last
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: race wasn't It was not great to say the least,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and there aren't really races going on right now, but
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: we're still like making the best of kind of a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: not so great situation this year, and I do, like
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: genuinely believe I'm going to come out of this and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: be stronger and there will be race opportunities soon. But
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I'd say right now is actually a bit of a hurdle.
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know what the biggest one
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: would be, but there are definitely lots of like like
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: injury hurdles or like getting sick at the wrong time hurdles,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: just like things just don't work out hurdles.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: But we all have them, last race being the marathon trial.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, that was my last one.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I was down in Atlanta watching It was a crazy
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: day from everything from the wind and the weather to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: obviously that course. Going into that race, where was your
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: head at what were you envisioning for yourself?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going into that race, I was pretty excited. And
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I need to be so careful of how
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: we talk about this because sometimes it comes off like
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I'm making excuses or something like us distance running is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: just like taking off right now. It was always going
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: to be a really hard team to make. But I
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: went into the trials pretty confident. I that was the
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: fittest I've ever been going, just off workouts and stuff.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: But the race itself didn't go well. And at the
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: end of the day, it's the race. It's not the workouts,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: it's not the time trial, it's not the stuff you
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: post on Instagram that matters. So I think coming out
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: of it was a little tough because we had some
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: ideas maybe what went wrong, but like, I've never had
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: a race that just went that poorly that I couldn't say, oh, well,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: I was sick. That's why I went bad or oh,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I was injured that whole build up, That's why I
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: went bad. Like I like was kind of at a loss,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and we're like, well, maybe I raced and peaked a
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: little too much like the twelve months prior. Maybe I
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: do think, like I'm not. Like it was an extremely
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: hilly course and we all were definitely had to like
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: everyone was in the same boat. We all had to
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: run it. But I've never run a course that hilly before,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and I thought I'd be fine because I remember in
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the build up everyone just kept talking about the hills
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I've run well at like
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: New York Half, like Pittsburgh ten Miler, Like I keptn
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: like listing off races I run well at that we're hilly,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and then I like made this mistake. I went up
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: like when I'm looked up the elevation profiles of those courses,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, people call those hilly,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and I think, like I could have done like New
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: York Half twice. It would have been like a little
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: over half as hilly as a marathon trial. So it
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: was definitely a different type of course. So maybe that
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: was it. Maybe I was like tired going like I
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: was tired going into the buildup from all the races
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: I did the year before, but I still like, I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: feel like I was able to get pretty fit and
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like I rested well and took care of myself. So
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I was like some of those races
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: where I'm like, I'm not sure what happened. I'd like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: to move on from it, but we don't have anything
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: right now to move on to. So we're just trying
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to figure out things like how I can come out
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: of the stronger, how I can maybe like add years
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: onto my career and make my body last longer, and
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and yeah, I get ready for when opportunities do your rise,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: which there will be some eventually. So yeah, that was
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: kind of a mouthful.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Do you think that it's been hard for you to
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: kind of get past that because there hasn't been like
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: one big moment for you to kind of be like, look,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I'm doing so good now.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. Yeah. I think I'm someone that I'm actually
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: pretty good at moving on from things. But I move
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: on by putting them behind me and moving on to
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the next thing. And there just was nothing to move
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: on to, and so I kind of like like almost
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: any interview I've done since then, and it's been eight months,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: it comes up because there's been nothing that has happened.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: So I don't like blame people for asking that, but
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: there's just there haven't been really many opportunities. So I
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: have Valencia Half in December, which I'm so looking forward to,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: just to like race again, and I hope it goes
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: really well. But even if it's not like my best
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: day ever, I'm so excited to get back out there
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: because like that's how I move on from things. I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: just like, go on to the next race, go on
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: to the next challenge. In our sport, there's usually always
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: something just around the corner, So that's how I bounce
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: back usually, but it's definitely been tricky because there's just
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: nothing to bounce back to you right now.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: The thing is, though, is that although there might not be,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: you know, racis in the conventional sense like the getting
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: past it and like the next challenge or the next
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: thing that you can do. Like I guess I would
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: sit here and say that that's kind of like up
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: to you as well, like in that like you have
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: an opportunity to like set some sort of other benchmark
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: for yourself, so to speak. I mean we talked about
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: the virtual New York marathons that we both ran, and
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: I mean I was scared shitless to go out there
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and do this without like closed roads and like water
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: stations and god like just so many things. But like
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: I went out there and took that challenge in a
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: way that like I don't think I would have maybe
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: even done without like that presented difference of an opportunity,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. So I don't know. I
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: mean I say that to you almost to like kind
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: of challenge you outside the Valencia half of like what
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: it is that you can do just.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: You Yeah, no, actually I think that makes sense. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: think with the absence of races right now, I'm definitely
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: less like I'm willing to try like new things, and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I'm less afraid of, like oh I just like of
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: getting injured or something going wrong, because like, well if
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: it does, like I have so much time right now
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and I'm able to kind of like play around and see,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: like is there anything else I can be doing to
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: help improve me as a runner. And I've tried a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: couple of things that didn't work out, Like I tried
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: running on trails for like a week, which is a disaster.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But then for the most part, I've actually like I've
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: been able to like work on a lot of weaknesses
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: that I found, and I feel actually really good now,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: And it's almost weird. I didn't realize like how tired
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: I was running until I had this like long stretch
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: of like able to take like a long break which
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: I normally don't get and like like do some strength
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: stuff in the gym, like work on some weaknesses, and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: how I'm like most of my runs, I'm like, I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: feel pretty good now. I didn't realize how like much
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: I was shuffling, but for now, like how tired maybe
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I was. So I think, like there have been silver
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: linings to all of this. I'm just hoping that the
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: races do come soon, but I know there are bigger
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: things going on in the world right now. So we're
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: still very lucky, me and my husband, like, given everything
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that's going on.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned when I asked you about some of
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: the hurdles that you faced in your career a fair
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: amount of injury. Talk to me about that. How have
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you managed to stay positive and push forward when you
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: have dealt with injuries in the past.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I've been running for so long
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: now I actually feel like I'm pretty durable almost everywhere.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: But I have one week spot and it's kind of
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: just been the one thing that keeps popping up in
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: my career. But the lucky thing is because it's only
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: one week spot, I get to learn every time that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: it does get irritated or do you have an issue
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: with it? And now I've gotten pretty good at like
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: knowing like what my body's telling me what like like
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: if I feel any pain or anything, like I see
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: it as feedback. Now I don't panic, and like I
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: don't know if this is making sense, But because I
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: kind of have the one same injury that I have
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: just have to manage, I've learned a lot about like
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: how you can still run like really well, but also
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: like listen to your body, not panic if something's not
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: going well, what kind of treatment I need, And like
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I think it'd be harder if I had like a
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: stress pructure in my foot one day and then like
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: a few months later, like tend to night is somewhere else.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Like for me, it's just one thing, so I just
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: have to like stay on top of it. And I
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: keep getting better and better at it because I've just
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: been running and this is my one body. So I've
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: been trying to figure things out for the last few years,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: and I'm getting better at it. I don't know if
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: that makes sense.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: This is so cryptic, like you're not going to tell me, well,
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know when to.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Talk about it, but yeah, no, I just like I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: just yeah, my kneed is sometimes slurs up and it's
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: like just part of like my that's just like it's
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: not a big deal anymore. It used to be I'd
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be like, why do I have ten and ice on
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: my patilla? Again? Like what, like what's going on? It?
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Like started in college and I miss like I remember
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: like a month or two for it, and now I
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: give it flares up of like I don't know, maybe
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: two days I cross train and then I see you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: like my chiropractor and we get things under control, Like
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: they're like.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Is not I'm curious? Is not like necessarily naming it either.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like it would be one of two things,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: and it's like I don't want to give away what
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: my problem is, but then two is it kind of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: like if I don't talk about it, then maybe I'm
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: not talking it into existence.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It's the second one, so like cause it's interesting, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: don't actually like a lot of runners love being really
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: open on social media about injuries and setbacks and stuff.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: But for me, I think it's because I'm more of
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: an introvert. I just don't like talking about like any
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: problems that I have. And it's not because I don't
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: think anyone else whenever they talk about setbacks or like
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: sickness or injury, like I'm always like like in their corner, like,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I feel for you. That's like, thank
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you for sharing this with people. I think people need
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: to see it. But when it comes to me, like
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I like, for some reason feel like I'm a bird
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in one if I like talk about things, but then two,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just like because it takes energy
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: for me to manage things and just like stay on
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: top of things, it just takes even more energy to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: talk about it. So I talked about any like injuries
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: or not even injuries, just any like tweaks or things
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: that aren't feeling great. I talk about them with like
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: five people, like for maybe three I talk about them
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: with my husband, my coach, and my caropractor. And that's
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: about it. And that's just how I like, I kind
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: of think I can keep a cool head with a
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: lot of this. I think if I just were to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: constantly talk about things that were aching or tired or sore,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: like for me, that just be a little too draining.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: So that's just, yeah, that's just how I handle it.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: It's not that I'm trying to be secreted. It's just
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: it's almost like a like a what do you call it.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: A certain It's like a protective method.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a boundary or something. I said, But it's
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: probably good to talk about it more.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I feel you, and I like you
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: are the person that gets to establish your boundaries. It's
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: actually this totally brings me back to a conversation I
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: had with an old therapist where at the time very
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: different situation, but very appable to what we're going here.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: She and I were discussing money and how much I
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: could literally afford to pay her, and I gave her
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: where I was and what I had, and then I said,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: after I mentioned that, like, I know, you're a contractor
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and you work hourly, and you could find someone else
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: that could come in here and pay you more money,
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And she said to me, like,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you don't get to decide what I do with your boundaries.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Like you told me the boundary, and now like I
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: can tell you what I'm going to do with that,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Like you don't get to decide how people deal with that.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: So like, if your boundary, so to speak, is that
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: you don't really like to get into or deal with
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: what happens you get to something about yours, then like
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I have to respect that about you. And that's just
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: how it is. Although I cannot guarantee you now that
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: you probably I know the hurdle community, they're gonna be
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: like I've totally been there. They're going to message you,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: and they're support you. They won't plague you with like
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: tons of questions too.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: It's my like weird little quirk, I think, but it
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: really does help me because I feel like I can
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: have a day where like maybe I go for an
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: evening run and I feel like, like, I don't know,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: maybe my hip's a little tight or something, or my
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: knee is like just a little extra tite that day.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: And I think because I don't constantly talk about it,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that's how it's easy for me to manage because I'm like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I'll probably be fine tomorrow, and if it's not fine tomorrow,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I'll just go get treatment. Then i'll be finding like
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: two days. But if I were to constantly talk about
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: it probably make me like worry about it and make
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: it feel like it's a bigger deal than it is.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And I mean, when you're running one hundred, one hundred
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and fifteen miles a week, you're always going to feel
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: some things that are a little off. Like it's just like,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: especially as a professional athlete, and so it's sometimes hard
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to like explain that and so like for me, just
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: like it's how i do my job. And it sounds
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: like I'm being secretive and I don't mean to be
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: another thing I like don't mean to be secretive about,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: but like people always ask me about like workout splits,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: and that's another thing I don't like to share. And
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: it's not because I'm like, oh, I don't want people
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: to like know how like faster or slow my workout is.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: It's like I want my races to speak for me.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I want my like for me. It's a boundary to
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: like keep like my intervals and my tempos like kind
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: of private because at the end of the day, like
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how good my workouts were going and
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: the Olympic trials build up the race and go well
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: or how I wanted. So at the end of the
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: day of the race is what matters. And I don't
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: want to ever like forget that and get too caught
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: up or ever sound like I'm bragging about a workout either.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: That's like an issue I have. That's just like totally,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I do have these like weird things. Sometimes
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: people are like, you're being secretive and like, well, I
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: don't mean to be, but.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to gang up on you. M No,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: it wasn't. But I mean, well what you're saying though,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: like is so it's not just you in that Like
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: there's a reason why I don't go on to Strava
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: and see like ninety nine percent of professional athlete's Like
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: you're not the only professional athlete that's not like sharing
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: all of their stuff. And that's just because, like what
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you said, this is your job, and you know, we
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: each have to be able to go about and perform
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: in whatever it is that we're doing with our lives
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: in the best way possible, and sometimes you've got to
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: again with the boundaries, like set your own perimeter on
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: what you're trying to get done and how you can
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: do it in the best way possible exactly.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: And some people are different, Like I think some people
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: do like handle things better when they can talk things
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: out with their friends or with like a community of people,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and that, like I think really helps them. And I
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: think it just really like comes down to the person
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: and what your needs are and what. Yeah, it's very individual,
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: but it's interesting, yeah, yeah.
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: And I mean this obviously kind of translates over to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: the concept of social media over there. I mean it
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: really is for many an opportunity or an outlet to
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: kind of dive into those deeper topics. But I know
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: for you, I mean, you're not like the kind of
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: person that's putting out lengthy, lengthy, lengthy captions all the time.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: So do you think about that when it comes to
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: your audience and what you're sharing over there?
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So social media is so interesting to me. I to
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: be totally honest, until this past year, I really just
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: wasn't like that into it. I feel like just so weird,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: like talking about myself and like posting things about myself.
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: But then when like I think when the pandemic hit
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: and there were no races, I was like, well, like
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: part of me is like, well, I have extra free time,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and like what's something productive I can be doing right
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: now apart from like working on my body and trying
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: to figure out any weaknesses. And one thing I really
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: liked doing actually was like reaching out a bit more
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: and like sharing things I've learned in this sport. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I kind of played around with what I shared on
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: social media at the start of this pandemic because like
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: everyone was posting so many pictures at first, so I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: was like, I guess I'll do that, but I found
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: it like so unfulfilling. So so recently what I've been
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: doing is like I've really enjoyed just sharing like like
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: either advice on like uh, like the mental side of training.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I've done a few like videos about that, or I'll
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: share like core videos that are like very like pertinent
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: for runners that aren't necessarily going to get you like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that six pack everyone wants. It's more like what's going
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: to keep me from getting injured? Like that's the purpose
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: of core for me, is like what's going to keep
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: my like spine and pul is stable and what's going
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: to get me to fire my glute and so like
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: things like that I didn't learn for years, and I'm like, well,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: I've like done so I've been in the sport for
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: so long and I feel like I do have some
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I've learned a lot. I'd like to share some of it.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: So I feel like I've been sharing a bit more
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: of that kind of stuff and that, like and I've
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: had like conversations with people and I think that's been
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: kind of cool, which I never really tried, like reaching
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: out on social media before, and now I'm definitely making
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: more of an effort. But I'm still someone new at it.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: So I remember the first time I posted a video,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it took me all day to figure out how to
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: post it, and I'd just like having to call my sister.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I'm like, can you do that? Like I don't know
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: how to do this so sorit. I'm so new to it,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: but I'm starting to figure out what it is I
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like sharing because I do want to share some stuff
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and like have some yeah, like dialogue.
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  Speaker 2: the number one meal kit for eating well. You mentioned
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the mental side of running, obviously now more than ever,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: probably when you are doing more of your training alone.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You mentioned like being in and out of sync with
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Molly and other training partners. For you with the mental
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: side of things during this pandemic, what are some of
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: the like foundations or the things that you've been going
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: back to to keep at it when there haven't been
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: races on the table.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: So I think sometimes it's overwhelming when you start to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: think too far ahead, like oh no, when am I
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: going to race next? When is my next opportunity to
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: push myself going to be? So it kind of just
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: goes back to the simple I know it's cliche, but
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: taking it like one day at a time, one workout
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: at a time, like one mile at a time. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I remember talking about like when you're having a tough workout,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: how do you get through that? And for me, it's
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: like a bit of a mindfulness technique. I'll actually like
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: do it while I'm running. If I have like I
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: don't know, like eight by a k on the track
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: or something and I'm like two k in and I'm
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: like really tired and I have six more reps to go.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Instead of like thinking ahead and being like, oh no,
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: if I'm feeling tired now, how am I going to
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: feel in seven or eight, I like will pull myself
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: back and be like, well, I'll like figure that out
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: when I get there, like right now and you're on
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: Rep three, let's get through Rep three and like like
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: one rep out of time, you get through the workout
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: and like oftentimes I'll get through it and it'll go
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: really well. And I didn't think it was going to
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: at the start. So I'm kind of treating the pandemic
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: like that, Like I'm like one day at a time,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: one like week at a time, one month at a time,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Like I really do you believe we're gonna have opportunities
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: to push ourselves? I have one. Hopefully it works out
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: in December and Valencia, and if not, I do think
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: like we've been in this long enough now we're learning
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: how to put on some events safely so that we
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: can get racism and like I'm optimistic about a vaccine,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: so we'll see. But just honestly, like not thinking too
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: far ahead right now, I think is pretty important because
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: everything's like so uncertain, so up in the air.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I think that we can definitely both agree that running
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: for us teaches us so much more about life than
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: just running. You mentioned that takeaway taking things one day
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: at a time. But when you think about running and
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: what it's taught you, what do you really kind of
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: circle back on.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: It's taught me a lot, But I'd say marathon training
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: taught me that I'm really tough. Like I said before
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: that like if there was any ever doubt in my mind,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: like oh I'm not tough or I could be tough,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: or I feel like marathon training just squash that, I
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: was like, No, that was like my first marathon build
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: up was so tough physically but also mentally. I had
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: some like other stuff going on at the time of
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that build up, and so I found it actually more
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: of like a mentally like stressful time, and I feel
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: like I was able to still get through it and
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: like have a good first marathon experience, and I remember
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: after that, I was like, I feel like I had
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: this like new like found confidence or I'm like I'm tough,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Like that was hard.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: That was hard. I can do hard things, I know well,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I think I keep I go back to that too,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: like I can do hard things. I can do that.
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't come this far to only come this far exactly,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: God spitting out so many like positive mantras just to
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: in the run, keep you in the run, and then
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: after the run, you're like I am God like insert
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: like I'm Beyonce for all.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I love Beyonce. Yeah, and anytime like I remember like
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: uncertain about something or like oh what if, like I
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: don't know my like I don't achieve my next goal
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: or something doesn't work out, I'm like, no matter what happens,
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like like a lot of runners were just
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: innately very hard workers, like we're always gonna land on
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: our feet. Things are just gonna like just know how
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: to work hard, we know how. We're just driven people,
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: it seems for the most part. So yeah, I always
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: come back to that and like you're tough, You're tougher
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: than you things sometimes, but yeah, you're.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Tougher than you think. So then right now, aside from
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: the pending race in Valencia, what are you excited about.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I'm excited for that. I'm really really excited just to
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: race again. I miss it so much, so I'm excited
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: for that opportunity. And then I think in twenty twenty one,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I do think we're going to have like track races
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: happening that I can happen and do hopefully and push myself.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: And then the Olympic Trials is what I'm preparing for
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: right now in the ten k, so that's still a
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: ways off, but I'm just excited for that. I feel
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: like the marathon trials definitely didn't go how I wanted
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: it to go, but I feel like that was like,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: in my head, probably my worst, like worst case scenario,
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: having to drop out of a race. I've never done
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: that before, and I feel like sometimes when you've had
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: such a bad experience, you're like you bounce back, and
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: me like, I feel like I have nothing to lose
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: now because the thing I feared happening most already happened,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, fine, I survived. I'm going to keep
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: pushing and I'm going to keep like trying. Eventually if
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: you just like keep showing up, I guess this does
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: says or just like the rule of numbers, like something
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: will eventually work out. So I'm gonna keep working hard
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: in the meantime, and I'm optimistic things there will be opportunities.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: We talked about how it was hard to move on
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: from that because there weren't other races. But how did you,
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: like was it the support of friends or your husband,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Like how did you kind of move past that earlier
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: this year? Because for again, like you didn't come that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: far to only come that far, you worked so hard
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: to get there, and then like I think so many
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: people really struggle with when things kind of go off
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: the rails, like getting past it.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like for me, like how I move on from
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Like I can put bad races behind me, but I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: put them behind me, like I said, by moving on,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: And because there was nothing, it kind of forced me
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: to sit with it, like I felt a little stuck.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: And I my husband is just like the like most
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: laid back irishman and he always has like the best perspective,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: and he could tell I was off for like a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: few weeks. But like I like I just didn't want
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. I just wanted to train. Then
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: everything got canceled, and I just remember one day, like
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: we were in the kitchen making breakfast and he's like,
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: are you okay. I'm like, yeah, fine, why And he's like,
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: you're like gonna break that whisk. You're like whisking the
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: eggs so aggressively, like you seem like you're holding onto something.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And I do think like just having him and just
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: like his like kind of like he always like having
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: such good perspective always like brings me back and be like, Okay,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: well that race didn't go well, but I have all
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: this other stuff like that is going well, and like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: start seeing all these positives after talking to him. And
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: my best friend also is someone I talked to a bit.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: She's someone I ran with in college. But apart from them,
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I probably didn't talk to too many people about it. I'm
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: definitely more like private of a person, so but talking
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: to them was good. That was helpful.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: When you look back on, you know, your professional career
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: so far, what would you say has been some of
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: the best advice that you've received?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: So best advice coming out of college as a professional.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I remember, like my coach Ray Tracy sat me down
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: in his office and one piece of advice he gave me,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: which I like, wouldn't have expected this out of everything.
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: He was like, this is your going to be your career,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: your livelihood, Like I highly recommend you'd like obviously you
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: take it seriously, but don't be afraid to like invest
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: in yourself. And I thought that was such like such
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: good advice because I've taken it to heart and either
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: investing time and figuring out what my body needs or
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: financially like obviously living within my means, like investing in
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: like body work, things like that. I feel like has
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: like really paid off in my career, especially because I've
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: had like this one knee issue that's like popped up
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: a lot. I've been able to figure it out because
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: I wasn't afraid to do that, and I think sometimes
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: people like might be a little bit and I like
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: from the bat, wasn't afraid to do that. After Ray
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: had that conversation with me and then Molly, I remember
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the start line of London telling me take it one
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: bottle station at a time, referring to the marathon, and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: I thought that was really good advice for marathon so
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: whenever someone asked me for marathon advice, and like break
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it up into five k's, one bottle station at a time,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: only focus on the bottle ahead. So two best pieces
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: of advice, i'd say, if we're from the two of them.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: I actually love that, and I think that it's interesting
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: that no matter how long it's been, no matter no
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: matter how long it's been, we always go back to
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: like these token nuggets and advice for each race, like
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: going forward. Someone one's told me to go back to calm.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I like that, and I think about that in every
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: race ever since. I had this, like one meeting at
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: a macho place on Broadway and twenty eighth Street. Like
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I always think to myself when I like want to
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: cry and I'm at mile twenty one if I'm running
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: a marathon, like go back to calm, Like you can
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: do this, go back to Colm. I like that that.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: I love that idea that you said about of the bottles,
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: because that's so applicable. I mean, we were talking about
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: life and how you like don't want to think too
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: far ahead. It's like, let's just focus on the now
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and get through this and then we can move on
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: to the next.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: It was so helpful in that race too. The reason
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: she gave me that advice was like ten minutes before
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: the start, I tripped and I like actually like pretty badly,
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: being like my like good knee and my ankle, and
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, I like went through this
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: entire marathon build up and now like I think I
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: messed it up ten minutes before the start, and she
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: could tell I was really nervous, and she like didn't
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: know why though, so she was like she thought I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: was just nervous for the race itself. So she gave
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: me that advice. But it actually was so helpful in
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: the race because starting off actually didn't feel very good.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I felt like I had maybe like a bit of
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: a hitch of my step after falling, and it was
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: just a little like out of sorts. And I was like, Okay, well,
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: you're a mile too, you still have like twenty four
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: months to go. Let's just focus on like the one
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: mile you're in, focus on the like five k you're in,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: which is Mollie said to do. And like, actually, by
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the time I got to the halfway point, I felt fine.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: So like it was good advice because I could have
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: easially psyched myself out, But yeah, I think that advice
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: on the starting line was really good. And afterwards she
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: was like, I just thought you were like really nervous,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: like just for the marathon. I was like, oh no,
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I was just nervous. I wasn't going to be able
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: to finish or something. But it like shook me a
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: little bit, But yeah, that helped a lot at the time.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: How do you let go of the anxiety that surrounds
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: the things that we can't control? Because you just like
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: listed off a bunch of things that you had no
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: control over, but you were able eventually to let them
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: go and focus quote unquote on that one bottle at
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: a time method. So how what would you offer someone
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: who has a problem of just like freaking out about
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: the stuff that they can't control.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: A lot of runners do you struggle with that, especially
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: for a marathon, because you only like you don't have
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: like a backup marathon, like you trained for three months
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: and then if like the weather's bad or you get
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: sick the week of or something, it can be very
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: stressful because there's not like another opportunity like two weeks later.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: But I think, honestly, just like anytime you start to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: psych yourself out and start worrying about things you can't control.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: I sometimes write things down and if it's out of
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: my control, I just crossed off the list of like
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: something I'm concerned with, Like, well, I have no control
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: over that. Let's focus on the things I do have
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: control over. And at the end of the day, like,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: some races are like things will fall together better than others.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: But if you just keep showing up to like race
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: after race, you're going to like hit some and some
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: of them are going to turn out and some of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: them are going to be like as good as others.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: So I feel like not stressing or trying not to
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: stress as much as you can about those things by
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: just remembering, like it's not all on this one race.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: I've got like like years of running ahead of me.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So I think sometimes just putting things of perspective helps.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: And I think like understanding that even when these hiccups come,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: and they will come because they come for everyone, that
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: even when these hurdles comes, it's really understanding that both
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the good moments and the bad moment moments have things
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: to teach you exactly.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can walk away from every race with something
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: you've learned from it. That's actually one thing I had
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a sports say coach a couple of years ago that
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: helped me Roshiemageton and Dumas, and she always told me
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: to do a review after every race, even the good ones.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: There's always something you can take away, either something you
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: did really well but you want to remember, or something
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: that like you didn't do well and you just want
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: to write it down. There's always some sort of takeaway.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: So going in to next year, you mentioned the ten
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: k on the track, how are you feeling about that
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: and how does your training for that differentiate from what
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: you were putting together for the marathon.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am really excited for that, and I
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: do think marathon training kind of helped me learn what
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: my body responds well to you, because we were kind
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: of shocked when I ran like a ten kPr by
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: like a ton in the middle of a marathon built
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: up last year, and then after like the London Marathon,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I went back to ten k training for the track
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: and I didn't actually feel as good. I felt like
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: less strong and just like I didn't feel quite as good.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: And it was because we like took out tempo like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of tempos, I only had one every few weeks,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: and longer runs weren't like the same quality. So after
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: kind of like playing around with it a bit, I
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: feel like we've learned like my body responds well to
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: certain training, and so going into the ten K, I'll
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: probably still keep like tempos and quality long runs as
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: like a good like backbone to my training, along with
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: track work, assuming I can get on a track ahead,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: but just keep the mileage lower, like I won't run
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty mile weeks.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: But that was something I went to have learned if
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: it wasn't for the marathon build ups. So yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: When you talk about tempos, what do tempos often look
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: like for you? Because I know they can be defined
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: very differently.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: So for me, it's just a sustain effort where I
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: feel like I'm pushing myself, but I'm not like going anaerobic.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's like a hard, controlled effort. But I
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: always should feel at the end of the tempo that
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I could have kept going longer, So I never rased
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: my tempos. I'm pretty good at knowing what effort if
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: my coach tells me to run a certain pace and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: know what that effort feels like. But like I don't.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I'm not a fit, Like I'm not someone that will
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: ever RaSE my tempos or race my workouts. I'm really
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: good at like like pushing myself pretty hard, and our
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: workouts are I think, pretty challenging. But a tempo for
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: me isn't something you should be like totally gassed at
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: the end. Like if I wanted to run another mile
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: at that pace, I should like be able to do that.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: So for me, they're like eight to ten miles. When
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: I'm marathon training, I'll do more like ten mile ones
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: right now, probably more like eight. Occasionally I did one
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: twelve mile one in my build up, but that's the
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: longest I've gone.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I interviewed an expert once and the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: term that he used for tempo running is that it
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: should be comfortably hard. So if you had if you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: have five zones that you could run in, like if
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: we're talking about heart rate zones, like you should be
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: in between three and four and never crossing from four
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: to five.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good way to explain it. I actually
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: look at my heart rate after and it's always like
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: it's always the same, like every single tempo, maybe like
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: a couple like feeds from it off, but not too different.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Not too different. And I definitely also think like, obviously
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: you're a very experienced athlete. You have access to really
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  Speaker 2: great coaching, and I'm sure like when you were younger,
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  Speaker 2: you know, before we were excelling in college and everything,
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  Speaker 2: that you weren't completely dialed in and knowing like what
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  Speaker 2: your heart rate zones are, like even incorporating things like these,
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  Speaker 2: like different types of running. So I think like it's
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  Speaker 2: fun even for you know, the hobby jogger as I
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  Speaker 2: like to call it, to familiarize yourself with what these
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  Speaker 2: kinds of runs are and like play around with adding
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  Speaker 2: them every once in a while into your training.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I think switching this up is how you
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  Speaker 1: keep this sport fund. So if you haven't done like
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  Speaker 1: a temple run before, try that, or try like mixing
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  Speaker 1: up your workouts but doing a heart rate I never
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  Speaker 1: like go off heart rate heart rate while I'm working out,
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  Speaker 1: but afterwards, I like look back on it, and I
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  Speaker 1: like find it super interesting and so fascinating to look at.
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  Speaker 2: Super interesting. Okay, I have one more question for you,
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  Speaker 2: right now, you have an opportunity to give yourself a
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  Speaker 2: piece of advice at one of your biggest hurdle moments.
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  Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, but I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do it to you. We're going to go back
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  Speaker 2: to the marathon trials. If you have an opportunity right
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  Speaker 2: now to offer yourself one piece of advice the day
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  Speaker 2: after the marathon trials, what do you tell yourself at
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  Speaker 2: that hurdle.
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, I guess because it's still like recent enough,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen how things played out after. But what
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling myself right now and probably at the time,
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  Speaker 1: is like, like I truly believe that, like if I
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  Speaker 1: just keep working hard and like keep like training and
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  Speaker 1: pushing myself. Yet, like that race didn go how I
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  Speaker 1: wanted it to go, but I really do believe, like
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have more opportunities in my future and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna, like I keep saying this, I say this
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  Speaker 1: to my husband all the time, but we work so
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  Speaker 1: hard no matter what happens, we'll always land on our feet,
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  Speaker 1: and so I do believe that, like things will work out,
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  Speaker 1: things will be fine. Yeah, it was a bad day,
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  Speaker 1: but you know what, that's life. So I'm optimistic for
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  Speaker 1: future performances.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time today, I am,
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  Speaker 2: I really really really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me,
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  Speaker 2: of course, how can the hurdlers keep up with you?
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  Speaker 2: Give me the details.
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  Speaker 1: So my Instagram is M underscore Assistant Underscore and that's
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  Speaker 1: what I probably use the most, and then my Twitter's
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  Speaker 1: am underscore assistant, but I'm definitely more like. Instagram is
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  Speaker 1: my like social media outlet that I use the most.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I am over at Emily a
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  Speaker 2: Body at Hurdle podcast. Another Hurdle Conquered. Catch you guys
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  Speaker 2: next time