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It's laced up. Let's go. It's time for Banter
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of the Boys. Welcome back to our final AFC preview
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here on Gridiron Updates with Banter of the Boys,
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of course. Rob, next to me. Yes, I am. Ready
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for another year. Ready. Ready to go. Football
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season, baby. Football season's here. Kev behind
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the camera getting everything done for us as
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always. We won't waste any time here and just
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hop right into this as well as we wrap up our
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AFC. Let's see here. Let's start with the Raiders.
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Let's just get them out of the way. Sorry, Raiders
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fans. I kind of feel that way about you. This
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is another tough division, low -key, other than
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the Raiders that went out and acquired. Gentry?
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Pete Carroll. The coach. Pete Carroll. They did
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acquire Gentry. Everybody's freaking out. He
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didn't have a good preseason. I don't think that
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matters. Well, the first game, he won for them.
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But what I am worried about with Gentry is they
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ran him a lot at Boise State. So I'm just worried
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about workload. You have Raheem Mostert sitting
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there on the bench. Make sure you use them. That's
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my only request. That's why you got them. He
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didn't do that well last year in Miami. No, no.
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But that's my only request. Raiders went 4 -13
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last year. Bottom of the barrel. I have the Tom
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Brady -owned Raiders going 6 -11. 6 -11. Why
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6 -11? 6 -11. I think a little bit of a change
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of culture. Time to turn things around there
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a little bit. It's going to be a little bit better
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this season. At least a competent quarterback
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in Geno Smith. Agreed, agreed. So six cents.
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You got one of the best, probably the best young
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tight end in the league. Oh, for sure. Offensive
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weapon tight end in the league, you know, and
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Brock Powers. I mean, he's already top eight,
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five tight ends in the NFL? Probably top eight
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at least. He could be approaching top five. He
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might be like six. I don't want to sit there
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and go through my whole brain of how many there
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is. Andrews came to my mind right away. He had
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a rough season last year. Anyway. Watching the
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wrong games, buddy. No, no. But, yeah, Raiders
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I'm not too excited about. They're going to finish
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last in the division for me. Obviously, Max Crosby
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is a treat to watch. They got a couple pieces
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there on defense. Jeremy Chin still kind of getting
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it done from the safety position. Obviously,
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picking up Eric Stokes from the Green Bay Packers,
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who's lost both their corners. Can't wait to
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talk about Green Bay next week. Yeah, I love
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it. He's open. Yeah, right. So, I don't know.
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I don't have a lot to say. I'm not really excited
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for the Raiders, you know, for them. You're not?
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I think it's an easier win this year. No win
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is easy in the NFL. We know this. But I think,
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again, the likes of the Titans, shoot, the Cardinals
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could beat the Raiders. So I don't know. Yeah,
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I got them improving a little bit. I got them
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at 10 and 7. I like Pete Carroll, 73 -year -old,
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18 years, coming back in. Oh, my God. Gentry?
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I mean, I think he's going to be a really nice
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piece for him. It does scare me a little bit,
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the workload of college on the NFL side. I think
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they ran him over 300 times last season alone.
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But Geno's nice. They still, you know, they got,
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like you said, Bauer. They got Myers, Trey Tucker.
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And then they did pick up the TCU receiver in
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the second round, Jack Beck. Is that right? I
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think you're right. That's how you say it right
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there. O -line kind of the same as last year.
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So that's why I don't think they're going to
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get over the top, you know, above 500. Defensively.
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They struggled over 25 a game. I'm telling you,
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I'm not super excited for them. And then Christian
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Wilkinson, they paid big money. They kicked him
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out of for locker room. That's a whole weird
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situation. That's a whole different kind of thing.
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He hasn't been picked up by anybody else since,
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right? Yeah, so obviously the league's all, you
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know. Something's not cool. So on that Aspen,
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they did lose Robert Splane, their top tackler
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last year. So they did pick up Pratt from Cincy.
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Jack Jones. He needs to step it up. All over
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the board. They got a good kicker. Our old draft
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pick from the Vikings, Daniel Carlson, becoming
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the top five kicker in the league. Yeah, 7 -10,
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I think culture is going to change a little bit.
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They do coming off a last -place schedule, so
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that's why I have a little bit of a bump. You
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have them at 7 -10? 7 -10. For some reason, I
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think. And I think just Pete Carroll with the
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consistency of Geno Smith that brings to that
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not as many turnovers as they had last year on
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offense. So that's where I think. And they needed
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to rush the ball. They were the worst rushing
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team in the league last year. Gave up 50 sacks.
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They did the right thing. They picked up the
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right guy in the draft. They did. So that O -line
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just needs to step up, you know. So I think they
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have a chance to – I don't think they'll get
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over 500, but I just – No way. Yeah, their schedule,
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though, it helps them out a little bit. 6 -11.
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6 -11. Well, we almost got them the same. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah. All right, all right. Let's move
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on to – Let's do the Chargers next because the
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Chargers for me, who went 11 -6 last year. Jacob
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said don't sleep on Pete and Gino. Stop, Jake.
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Stop. Don't sleep on Pete and Gino. Get out of
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here. We have Facebook Live rolling over here,
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too, while we're recording this, so we've got
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a couple comments coming in. Jake's one of our
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guests that will be on this season to talk about
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his Ravens, who we think could go to the Super
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Bowl. He doesn't think so. Can't wait to hear
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that. He's out. Can't wait to hear that. Anyway,
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we're talking about the Chargers, and we're wasting
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this time talking about the Ravens. What are
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we doing? Chargers won 11 -6 last year. I have
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them at 10 -7. I have... Three straight losses
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for the Chargers late in the season that makes
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the difference for me. The Chargers could miss
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the playoffs even, too, this year. Those three
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late L's come to the Eagles, the Chiefs, and
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the Cowboys, actually. That's a tough way to
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finish. Oh, for sure. So I'm a little worried
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about that. As far as the team as a whole, I
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actually think Najee Harris might be a good addition
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for the Chargers. What did he say? Did he say
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something else? He said liars. Whatever. Jake's
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just losing it over here. You need somebody other
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than Ladd McConkie. Sorry, QJ's not getting it
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done anymore. You don't think so? He can't catch
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the ball. Keenan Allen's back. Cool. That's cool
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as a Chargers fan. That's fun to see, but it's
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not enough. You need to get another weapon in
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there. Jalen Rager's on the roster right now.
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What are we doing? O -line -wise, you know, Joe
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Walt came out last year, played outstanding.
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Sucks to lose Rashawn Slater immediately after
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that contract extension. Mekhi Becton's not bad.
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The O -line as a whole really isn't bad in L
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.A. Agreed. Defensively, I'm sorry, I'm just
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stealing the whole thing. No, you go, go, go,
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go. But defensively, again, it's another aging
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defense. They lost Joey Bosa, but again, wasn't
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really on the field ever, so I agree with you
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there. It was fun to watch Joey for a couple
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years and then watch him in street clothes every
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Sunday. You know, Khalil Mack, I don't know.
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It's underwhelming to me. I'm a big Derwin James
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guy, have been for a long time, but again, everybody's
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just... Attending to get older, I feel like they're
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not necessarily getting better right now. So
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that's why I have the Chargers having one less
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win than last year. But it could be worse. I
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think they could even go 9 -8. 8 -9 this season,
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100%. I love it. This is probably the most honest
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take that anyone else has ever had. He's a Chargers
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fan. More of a Vikes fan, but a big Chargers
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fan. You always kind of want to give a winner
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to one of your other teams you like. But they
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will beat the Vikings. They have the Vikings
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number. I mean, I'm coming at 10 -7. I think
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Justin Herbert was matched up with, I can't think
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of his last name right now. Harbaugh? Harbaugh.
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I think that's where maybe Oakland can get next
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year. But I think this is the second year they
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came out. I mean, 11 -6 was a big surprise. I
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just think of the consistency. They run the ball.
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Harris is an upgrade. He ran for over 1 ,000
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yards last year, which is kind of a weird number.
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Last three years, he's ran over 1 ,000. He's
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a good running back for Harbaugh's system. Exactly
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for that. So I'm really curious to see how he
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does. And then they did pick up that Trey Harris
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from Ole Miss in the second round to help on
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that receiver thought process that you were worried
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about. I just think they have enough. Brandon
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is not going to, you know, but he's still a what?
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All over 1 ,100 yards last year, seven touchdowns.
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So he was kind of getting the job done. The left
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tackle is a big hurt. I almost want to switch
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that to like nine and eight now just with that.
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Dude, it sucks. Because he's kind of a difference
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maker. That was a huge deal. Huge deal. And then
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the Hampton running back in the first round from
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North Carolina, right into that system. Don't
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hate that. Just right back into that with him
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and Harris. And then defensively, they were number
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one in the league yards per game. So they just
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need to, you know, again, stopping. it i guess
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um they just need to do a little bit better job
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against the run overall i think they're just
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kind of flying all over the field with harbaugh's
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system you know so that's why i still got them
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at 10 and 7 fair enough fair enough no i think
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they're another team that's going to be kind
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of in every game it's just going to come down
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to Who's going to close that thing out at the
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end? And this year you don't think they're going
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to do it. Something's telling me the Chargers
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are going to have a tough season. They could
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still sneak in in a wild card. They won't win
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the division. There's another team that took
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massive strides last year within the division
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that is also not going to win the division. Yeah,
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they didn't really pick anybody up either on
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the defense side. But their pass D was so good.
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They were so good. on defense so i think that's
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where i keep them at 10 and 7 just defensively
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and then they just don't turn that i think they're
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the lowest in turnovers last year too on offense
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so taking care of the ball playing defense that's
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jim harbaugh going 10 and 6 yep you know all
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day long sign me up for playoffs sign me up for
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playoffs you know that's where i think they're
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going All right. Let's see the next team that
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we're going to talk about here. Went 10 -7 in
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the division last year. That is the Denver Broncos.
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This is an interesting team. This is an interesting
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team. This is a defense that I actually do like
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that does seem to be trending upwards. The Broncos,
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I think, could actually compete with the Chiefs
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this year. I don't think they're going to win
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the division, but I only have them one game behind
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the Chiefs. That's interesting. I mean, I don't
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totally. I'm at 10 -7 with them. I got them at
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11 -6. I think they're tied right there with
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the Chargers. Initially, about a month ago, I
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was a little higher on them. And I started looking
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at their schedule last year and actually going,
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who did they actually play to get to 10 -7 last
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year? They did really well on the teams that
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they should have beat, which they beat. But then
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they went like 1 -8 against the actually playoff
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caliber teams. So did they really make the big
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jump to compete with the Chiefs? Or did their
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schedule just help them out a ton? I think weeks
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3 through 5 this season will tell us that. They
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play at... the Chargers, and then at home against
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Cincinnati on Monday night, and then in Philly.
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If they can go 2 -1 out of those three games,
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that's enough for me. I think the Broncos will
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be competitive the rest of the season, probably
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get a playoff spot. Again, healthy. We don't
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even need to keep saying healthy. We all know.
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And it's also, you know, where do we get a second
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-year Bo Nix? He had 29 tutties, 12 interceptions.
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Ran for all over 400 yards. Sutton is back. All
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lines solid. Lowest in pressures. I think their
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game week 11 against Kansas City right before
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they go to bye. I think that could be a win for
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the Broncos. And then when you said Cincinnati,
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that game right there, I feel like that could
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be whether they make the playoffs. If you were
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a fan, you look back in the season, like, oh,
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if we would have beat Denver, if you're a Cincy
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fan, we'll be in the playoffs. For sure. In that
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game, it's going to be, can Denver's defense
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keep up with Cincinnati's offense? If they can,
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absolutely. I think Denver's offense can do enough
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damage to Cincy's defense. That's Trey Hendrickson
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-less, potentially. Can do enough damage to win
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that game. Yeah. It's whether their defense,
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I can keep them in games and then offenses. I'm
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banking that they can this year. They're like
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the same thing as the Chiefs. Not the Chiefs,
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but the Chargers. I know. Same style. I agree.
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Run the ball, take care of the ball, play solid
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defense. Their secondary is loaded. And then
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they drafted Barron from Texas in the first round,
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too. Put him with Patrick Sedan, Jr. They're
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stacked on it. I mean, they were like the best
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in the top, like red zone defense. Yeah. High
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blitz rate, too. So they just get after you.
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So that's tough to play against. And then Nick
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Benito, the 13 sacks, they got a bunch of guys
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to get the job done. They did pick up Greenlaw
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from the 49ers. cody barton they did lose courtland
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sutton just get paid too he did i believe he
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did too so he had over a thousand you know so
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i think a second receiver they did get evan ingram
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from the jacksonville had a horrible year last
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year but most people are saying that's an upgrade
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in the tight end area for them they need another
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running back what happened to giovante williams
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where did he go he went to i just saw him He
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went somewhere else. I don't like that he's missing.
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I thought they still had him. So I liked the
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thought of J .K. Dobbins with Williams. But Williams
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is like 3 .3 average since he's been in the league.
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Who's R .J. Harvey? I don't even know who that
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guy is. He's a rookie from UCF. I'm curious what
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he's going to do because J .K. Dobbins, he's
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not going to play a whole season. That's the
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problem with J .K. He's got explosiveness. He's
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got bursts, but he can't stay on the field. But
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as a Denver fan, they've been drafting running
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backs for the last five years. I'll never forget
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them drafting Moneyball. And then just consistently,
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their best running back in the last 10 years
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is probably the guy from the Chargers. Charles.
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Jamal Charles. Am I saying his name right? No.
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No, not Jamal Charles. He's the Chiefs. Kind
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of looks like Charles. He has long hair. Who
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was it? Fast, speedy guy. But he used to play
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for the Chiefs? No, not at Chiefs at all. Just
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played for Denver. But it was towards the back
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end of his career. I'm drawing a blank right
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now. I'm blanking too. Where's my buddy Nathan?
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We'll throw it in in a minute. Jacob, look it
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up. What? Jacob said Najee can't see. He's playing
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with fireworks. Yeah, that's right. I kind of
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forgot about that incident. Firework incident
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going on. He'll be fine. He'll be fine. He'll
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be fine, Jake. Gosh. He only needs one eye to
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see the touchdown. Jake, stop watching, okay?
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Yeah. Jeez. All right. Who do we got? What do
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we got? Do we do everybody? Oh, the Chiefs. I'm
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saving it for the Chiefs. Here we go. Let's do
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it. Hopefully Graham's listening. Where do you
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have the... Yeah, I'm at... 10 -6, the Broncos?
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The Broncos, 11 -6. 11 -6. 11 -6. The Chiefs,
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yes, who went 15 -2 last year, which is crazy
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to me. They didn't feel like they were that dominant.
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Wish they weren't. But, again, they just find
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ways to get things done. I do not understand.
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Is that saying? Oh, okay. Sorry. I was like,
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wait a minute. I thought Sky Moore got traded.
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I'm going to use him with somebody else. He's
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back, though. Yep, yep, yep. Wait a minute. What
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do you mean he's back? No, not Sky Moore. Oh,
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okay. I was thinking Rasheed Rice. Rasheed Rice.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I like Rice. I think he's
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a playmaker. He's another speedy guy who can
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stretch the field 100%. Worthy's interesting.
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He's more of that. Gadget. That gadget player,
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yeah, for sure. That Debo, just not the same
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frame. It's a slightly different gadget player.
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Kind of like Jamo Williams style. Jamo Williams.
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Oh, Jamison Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Kansas
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City, I don't have them going to the Super Bowl
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this year. I don't have them winning the AFC
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this year. But I still have them going 12 -5
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and winning the division 100%. I think it's still
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the division runs through Arrowhead. I mean,
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I wanted the Broncos. I don't even know if that
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will change next year even. I wanted the Broncos
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for a reason or somebody to replace them. But
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I just could not find enough wins in the Broncos
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to get the job done. Patrick Holmes, probably
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one of his worst statistic numbers. But they
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had injuries all over the place on offense, and
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they still made the Super Bowl. I mean, that's
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just. So interesting. Maybe a little help from
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the refs, too. No, no, no. Let's not get that
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started. First episode of the season. Talking
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about the refs and the Chiefs. Trying to get
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those clicks. Gotta get the short. People angry
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at the world. Not a lot's changed offensively
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for them. Not really. They're actually kind of
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a young group, too. They're fourth in the league
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in points given up over 19. They only average
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22, so they just won by a field goal every game.
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I see it kind of going that way again for them
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this year, especially those division games against
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the Chargers and Broncos. Those are all going
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to be close games for them this season. Let's
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see. The Chiefs, actually, I think this is the
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interesting one for me. Yes. I have them dropping
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the first two games of the season. They'll still
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go 12 -5, but I have them starting the season
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0 -2. They're going to lose to the L .A. Chargers
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in Brazil or whatever because of the field conditions.
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Yeah, that's how I knew you were going to say
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field conditions. 100%. Yep. So they're going
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to lose to the Chargers. Then they're going to
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lose to Philadelphia at Arrowhead. It's going
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to be a little surprise, like, oh, God, okay.
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And then they're going to get their stuff together.
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They're going to beat the Giants. Them playing
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Baltimore week four is an interesting matchup.
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But it's at Arrowhead, so I do have the Chiefs
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being able to pull that one off. Okay. Just like
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the beginning of the year last year, the toes
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of likely. Remember that play? That's right.
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Yes. What an opening. Jake, do you remember that
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play? Do you remember? Was he in or out? Josh
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Marino. No, that was not him. It wasn't Josh
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Marino either. He's trying to think of the running
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back for the Denver Broncos. No Sean Marino?
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It was no Sean Marino. No, that still wasn't
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him. Anyway, we're just going to sit here and
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look at each other. We'll start a whole new episode
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and come back with them, figure that out. But,
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no, rough start to the season for the Chiefs,
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but I think they can clean it up. You know, they
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end the season, Houston, Chargers, Tennessee,
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Denver, Las Vegas. So there's a couple games
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in there that are tougher, even before the Houston
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game. They're at Dallas. I'll touch on Dallas
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next week, but that's going to be a tough team
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this year, 100%. They're bouncing back in a big
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way for me. Ooh, a little preview there for the
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NFC right there. He's big on Dallas this year.
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But I was last year, too, but Dak was out. So,
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anyway, don't get me started on the NFC. That'll
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be next week. I got you. That'll be next week.
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So, do you think the Chiefs got better, worse,
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stayed the same? I think they stayed the same.
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About the same. Which is fine. If I'm a Chiefs
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fan. Yeah, right. Exactly. Exactly. Oh, we didn't
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blow up the team. Awesome. I mean, it's next.
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injuries you know like pacheco is that running
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back that's where i think the game they couldn't
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run the ball at all because no one was on the
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field you know um but their defense is you're
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not thinking a cream hunt right no she's still
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there okay no no he was a fast he was like just
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a speedster though He was probably there three
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years. We're going to find this out after we're
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done hitting record because I've got to know
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now. I know. But defensively, McDuffie, the secondary
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is nice. He's still got the stud Hall of Fame
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Chris Jones in the middle. Nick Bolton running
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the defense. I would agree. I think this team
21:34
is primed for another deep playoff run, but I
21:36
don't have them in the AFC Championship now,
21:39
of course, depending how seeding lies. For me,
21:44
it's going to be the Bills versus the Ravens,
21:46
but will we ever be blessed with that? I'm not
21:49
sure. Yeah, I think they're going to be right
21:51
there. They're going to be third. Second, third
21:54
in the conference, but they're behind the Ravens
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for me. Mahomes, if he goes down, is the only
22:01
reason. I don't think there's... Unless they
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can't. If Mahomes were to go down a mailing in
22:06
the season for the Chiefs. What do they get?
22:09
Archie Manning? No, they don't need him. Mahomes,
22:13
he'll bounce back. He'll bounce back. He's fine.
22:15
Or trade Mahomes. We have a tinfoil hat for the
22:19
F1 podcast. We might have to start putting that
22:21
on. I don't know. What do you think about that,
22:23
Chiefs fans? No, that's never happening. He's
22:26
got a lifetime. He's got five more years, I think,
22:28
left in his contract. Well, if he goes down,
22:31
they've got Gardner Minshew. They're fine. Oh,
22:33
yeah. We're fine. That's who I was thinking was
22:35
running back. Well, that is pretty much going
22:41
to wrap our AFC West. Well, that's the last AFC
22:45
division that we're previewing. You asked me
22:50
a couple episodes ago already now. Who is winning
22:54
the AFC championship for me? I put the Ravens.
22:56
I think you did as well. Is that who's going
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to the Super Bowl for you? Yes, I think the Ravens
23:01
are the team to beat in the NFL this year. In
23:05
the NFL? So you think Ravens are the Super Bowl
23:07
champions? I'll save that maybe for the next
23:09
episode. Save for next week. We've got to figure
23:11
out who's going for the NFC. I still think they're
23:13
the team to beat. I think they got better in
23:17
so many different ways that I think they're going
23:21
to compete. Okay. But if you had to pick a team
23:24
out of the blue, who was it? For the NFC? AFC.
23:29
Oh. So do you think the Browns could sneak into
23:32
the playoffs? Because you have them in 9 and
23:34
8. So we're talking like bubble teams really
23:35
quick? If I had a bubble team that would sneak
23:38
into the playoffs? Hmm. I mean, yeah, it would
23:42
have to be somebody from the AFC North for me.
23:44
Okay. Whether it's Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Cincinnati,
23:47
one of those three teams probably makes the playoffs
23:49
this year. We know Baltimore's going to make
23:51
it. And then get weird and make a Super Bowl
23:52
run. No. None of those are capable? No. Okay.
23:57
Now, a team that I could see, I'm kind of, I
24:02
don't know, maybe do the Jaguars somehow sneak
24:04
into an outside wildcard playoff. So not make
24:07
a run, but if we're talking about a bubble team,
24:09
and I don't consider them a bubble team, they're
24:11
just outside the bubble for me. But if we're
24:13
talking about a team that could just kind of
24:15
be a surprise a little bit and sneak in, maybe
24:16
they get a little. Like last year's Rams. New
24:19
culture. You know, like they weren't supposed
24:21
to make the playoffs, but they ended up being
24:23
a really solid team. And they were always a tough.
24:26
Every week. It felt like we were talking about
24:27
them every week. We were talking how solid they
24:29
were. I mean, Jared versus the real deal. But,
24:31
yeah, that's next week. We'll get into the NFC
24:35
a little bit and go from there. Don't worry.
24:38
There will be plenty of Vikings talk. Yes, there
24:40
will be. But with that, Kev, obviously behind
24:44
the camera getting everything done for us. Rob
24:46
joining us here tonight, as he always does. All
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season long, baby. Thanks for being here, of
24:52
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