Latest / The Original Self Podcast / Episode 19- Born into It: Where Your Relationship with Food Really Began
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- 0:12Welcome to the original self podcast. I'm Evet
- 0:16DeCota, owner of DeCota Life Coaching and a psychology
- 0:20informed life coach. I explore resilience, mindset,
- 0:24and the courage to become your authentic self.
- 0:27This is a space for honest conversations about
- 0:30growth, identity, relationships, and all the
- 0:34messy moments in between that shape who we become.
- 0:39Between the salon chair and coaching sessions,
- 0:42I've watched people move through life in patterns
- 0:44they rarely notice. Patterns that are subtle
- 0:48or familiar and incredibly hard to see from the
- 0:51inside. In the last episode, we explored what
- 0:55happens inside the brain and body when we eat.
- 0:59The more we looked beneath the surface, the more
- 1:02clearly we saw that eating is influenced by far
- 1:05more than hunger or willpower. Today, we're going
- 1:10even deeper by exploring how our relationship
- 1:14with food began long before we ever thought about
- 1:17calories, carbs, or healthy eating. before we
- 1:22had the language, before we formed memories,
- 1:25and perhaps even before we were born. This is
- 1:29episode 19, Born Into It, where your relationship
- 1:34with food really began. Before I get into the
- 1:44science today, I want to note that this episode
- 1:47touches on pregnancy, breastfeeding, and early
- 1:51childhood feeding. But I am in no way suggesting
- 1:56blame with any of the topics that I'm going to
- 1:59discuss. No blame towards the mothers listening
- 2:04and none toward the mothers who raised us. Every
- 2:09mother in this episode's story was living inside
- 2:12the same systems this series has described the
- 2:16entire time. The stress, the food environment,
- 2:20conflicting information for sure, and often a
- 2:24lack of support. Nobody was choosing difficulty
- 2:29for their child. I am never saying that. And
- 2:32the influences in this episode were, in most
- 2:36cases, invisible to everyone involved way back,
- 2:41even sometimes today. That includes breastfeeding
- 2:46because everyone is different. Some mothers are
- 2:50unable to produce enough milk to sustain their
- 2:53child. Others can't breastfeed at all. And then
- 2:58there are some that choose only formula. I will
- 3:03share remarkable research on breast milk But
- 3:07with that said, Baby Formula has fed healthy
- 3:10children for generations and no one should ever
- 3:13feel upset about using formula over breast milk.
- 3:18The goal of this episode, again, it's not guilt,
- 3:22it's understanding. Because I believe that once
- 3:25we understand the full picture, we stop carrying
- 3:28around the feeling that this was somehow our
- 3:31fault and our fault alone. Okay, so that's my
- 3:35disclaimer. So let's discuss before we were born
- 3:40because that might sound weird, but think about
- 3:44the point where or the moment where we consider
- 3:49the beginning of our complicated relationship
- 3:52with food. Maybe it was the first diet that didn't
- 3:56work or a comment someone made about our bodies.
- 4:01Or the first time we ate past fullness and then
- 4:05felt shame about it. What if none of those situations,
- 4:11none of those experiences were the beginning
- 4:13of our complicated relationship with food? Current
- 4:18research suggests that our first food preferences
- 4:22began in the womb, not at the family table or
- 4:27in front of the television or even in a high
- 4:30chair. As early as the second trimester, The
- 4:37fetus can detect flavors from the mother's diet.
- 4:41It comes through the amniotic fluid. So let's
- 4:45say the mom's eating garlic, carrots, or something
- 4:50that is vanilla. Those flavors from the mother's
- 4:54diet pass into the fluid, the fetus swallows
- 4:58them, and then those early exposures shape food
- 5:02preference after birth. Studies have found that
- 5:06infants whose mothers drank carrot juice regularly
- 5:09during their pregnancy were more accepting of
- 5:14carrot flavored foods than those with no prenatal
- 5:18exposure to that flavor. I think that's fascinating
- 5:23because the fetus isn't deciding that carrots
- 5:27taste good. You know, they may like them, but
- 5:30it's fundamentally learning that these flavors
- 5:34belong in their world. This is one of the brain's
- 5:40earliest acts of categorizing anything. It's
- 5:44not about preference. It's about what feels familiar
- 5:48and safe. It's not only the flavor that shapes
- 5:53the meaning, but something far older than that.
- 5:59Think about inheritance. When we usually discuss
- 6:03inheritance, we're thinking about eye color,
- 6:06height, curly hair, straight hair, et cetera.
- 6:11But biology also makes the body carry information
- 6:16about our environment. We carry information whether
- 6:20our environment's safe or is there scarcity.
- 6:27environments of chronic stress, and we don't
- 6:34carry that information as memories in the way
- 6:38you traditionally think of them. We carry it
- 6:41as a biological adaptation that can influence
- 6:46how the next generation responds to the world.
- 6:51Scientists call this epigenetics. That means
- 6:55it explores how life experiences can leave biological
- 6:59fingerprints that extend beyond a single generation.
- 7:04For example, during the final months of World
- 7:08War II, food rations in the Netherlands dropped
- 7:12to a dangerously low level. Researchers later
- 7:16discovered that children born to mothers who
- 7:20experienced this famine showed lasting metabolic
- 7:24changes that persisted for decades. Some of the
- 7:29metabolic changes were they had higher rates
- 7:32of obesity, diabetes, and heart disease in adulthood
- 7:36because their developing bodies adapted to an
- 7:41environment of scarcity long before they ever
- 7:44chose their own. Research on intergenerational
- 7:49trauma is similar. Stress and trauma can alter
- 7:54gene expression in a way that affects the next
- 7:56generation's stress response, their anxiety levels,
- 8:01and their metabolic function. In practical terms,
- 8:06this means a child may inherit a nervous system
- 8:09that responds more intensely to stress. They
- 8:13may develop stronger cravings for calorie -dense
- 8:17foods during stressful times or difficult times
- 8:21in their lives. Or they may have cortisol systems
- 8:24that react more quickly. These are not certainties,
- 8:29though, but they are tendencies that echo across
- 8:34generations. When I first learned about this
- 8:38research, I couldn't help that think of my own
- 8:41family and how things that had always felt separate
- 8:46began to feel connected to me. My mom struggled
- 8:50with anxiety during her very difficult pregnancies
- 8:53and also battled bulimia at different points
- 8:57in her life. My grandmother grew up in extreme
- 9:01poverty where food was insecure, and that was
- 9:06a constant reality to them. Throughout her life,
- 9:10though, she cycled between binging and severe
- 9:14food restriction. Those weren't simply individual
- 9:18experiences. They were part of a much longer
- 9:21story that, once again, stretch across generations.
- 9:27I didn't choose any of that, and I certainly
- 9:29didn't cause it, but understanding that doesn't
- 9:33erase my responsibility of choice that I make
- 9:37today. However, it does replace shame with compassion.
- 9:44It reminds me that the story I inherited shaped
- 9:48me before I was even old enough to understand
- 9:51it. And that takes away, like I said in the beginning,
- 9:56some of the shame that I feel that maybe I don't
- 10:00have enough willpower. In episode 18, we talked
- 10:05about the gut microbiome. once again, that's
- 10:09the trillions of bacteria and other microorganisms
- 10:12that constantly communicate with the brain and
- 10:16it influences cravings and help regulates the
- 10:20hormones of hunger and fullness. Well, they're
- 10:26hormones that stimulate hunger and fullness.
- 10:29But what I really want to know is how does the
- 10:32microbiome develop in the first place, right?
- 10:36One of the most fascinating discoveries in recent
- 10:40decades is that the microbiome begins to develop
- 10:44during our earliest days of life. During a vaginal
- 10:48birth, babies encounter their mother's microbial
- 10:52community, while babies born by cesarean first
- 10:58encounter microbes from the skin and surrounding
- 11:01environments. Research has shown that these different
- 11:06beginnings can shape the infant microbiome. They
- 11:11will influence immune development, metabolism,
- 11:14and the ongoing conversation between the gut
- 11:17and the brain. It doesn't mean that one child
- 11:22is destined for better health than the other,
- 11:25or that birth alone determines that future. Thankfully,
- 11:30the microbiome continues to change throughout
- 11:33infancy and well into adulthood. Another thing
- 11:38that affects the infant microbiome is early antibiotic
- 11:41use. While often medically necessary and life
- 11:45-saving, it can reduce bacterial diversity. Research
- 11:50has linked these changes to a higher risk of
- 11:53obesity, allergies, and metabolic dysfunction
- 11:57later in life. But again, the good news is is
- 12:02that the microbiome continues to strengthen through
- 12:06the rest of your life and a healthy environment
- 12:09and lifestyle will also strengthen it. These
- 12:13early influences matter for real, but they don't
- 12:16determine the rest of our story. Scientific findings
- 12:21that breast milk is not a fixed formula are extraordinary.
- 12:27Check this out. The milk changes or adjusts when
- 12:31an infant is fighting an infection. Like little
- 12:36aliens. The milk will contain increased immune
- 12:39factors, the white blood cells and antibodies
- 12:44targeted to what the infant's body needs at that
- 12:48specific moment. The mother's body appears to
- 12:53be reading the infant's biology and responding
- 12:57in real time. It's producing something closer
- 13:01to personalized medicine than food. It's so trippy.
- 13:06You guys may have known this. I did not know
- 13:08this. I think it's so cool. Breast milk also
- 13:12contains complex sugars that the infant can't
- 13:16digest, but that feed specific beneficial bacteria
- 13:20in the infant's gut. So in other words, breast
- 13:24milk is feeding the microbiome as much as it's
- 13:27feeding the infant. It's building an ecosystem
- 13:31that will spend decades communicating with the
- 13:34brain. So cool. I think that's super cool. And
- 13:38the flavors from the mother's diet, like we talked
- 13:42about before, they're also present in the milk
- 13:45as well. So basically it's continuing that flavor
- 13:49of education that began in the womb. And really
- 13:53that further shapes which tastes feel familiar,
- 13:57which feel safe, which feel like home to the
- 14:00infant. So when you take all of this together,
- 14:04these findings reveal something totally remarkable
- 14:08about the body's original intelligence. Long
- 14:12before we followed and broke diet rules, we calorie
- 14:16counted, or lived in this chaotic food environment.
- 14:22our bodies adapted and responded with extraordinary
- 14:27precision. It's still there. It's just waiting
- 14:32beneath years of conditioning, habits, and noise.
- 14:37Remember that. So now let's talk about the rituals.
- 14:42By the time we were old enough to sit at a family
- 14:45table, we now know the conditioning was already
- 14:49well underway. Childhood just added another layer.
- 14:56It's built through experience, repetition, and
- 15:00emotional learning. So, picture this. Picture
- 15:04this in your own life. It's Saturday morning.
- 15:07You're in your PJs. There's no school today.
- 15:11Hallelujah. Your parents are still asleep, so
- 15:15no chores have been assigned yet. And the house
- 15:19is really quiet. Only the way it was quiet on
- 15:24weekend mornings. You go over, you turn on the
- 15:28TV and your favorite cartoons have started. For
- 15:33me, it was, it started with Super Friends. What
- 15:38was it? Wanted Twin Powers Activate. I loved
- 15:40that so much. Intermixed with Schoolhouse Rock.
- 15:45which is where basically most of us, you learned
- 15:48how to count by fives and we figured out what
- 15:53a bill was and what was the one with the infinity,
- 15:58the girl skating. I think that was another counting
- 16:01one. I can't remember, but I just liked it. It
- 16:03was very pretty. Anyways, there was that, the
- 16:06Globetrotters, and then my favorite, the Croft
- 16:09Super Show Hour, which was Sigmund and the Sea
- 16:12Monsters, Land of the Lost, and then my favorite,
- 16:16Electric Woman and Diner Girl. Okay, the whole
- 16:19point of this is that then you had breakfast
- 16:23and it was always a ritual, right? But Saturdays
- 16:28felt different. I'd pour myself a bowl of brightly
- 16:33colored fruity pebbles or Captain Crunch. The
- 16:39one with the peanut butter balls that reduce
- 16:42the roof of your mouth to pulp, right? To like
- 16:44a raw pulp. We considered that reasonable. It
- 16:49was a reasonable trade for the sugar rush that
- 16:52we got. And it never stopped us from pouring
- 16:56the next bowl. So it was fine. The cereal was
- 17:00usually accompanied by a piece of toasted Wonder
- 17:03Bread that was slathered in butter and jam and
- 17:07then a big glass of Tang because somehow we all
- 17:13believe that that was orange juice, right? It
- 17:15was fine. It's healthy, vitamin C. While I was
- 17:18eating the cereal in between looking at the television,
- 17:21I would stare at the cereal box, the pictures
- 17:26on the cereal box. Sometimes there were mazes,
- 17:29word searches, maybe puzzles to solve. And if
- 17:34you were lucky, there was a prize hidden inside
- 17:37the cereal that somehow made it taste even better.
- 17:42So you had the games in front of you and then
- 17:45the cartoon characters on the television, super
- 17:48entertaining. And then there were commercials
- 17:51in between that all promised the same thing.
- 17:55This was fun. This was happiness. This was Saturday.
- 17:59That was your experience. Looking back now, I
- 18:04don't remember thinking about sugar. I remember
- 18:07excitement, comfort, safety, maybe even belonging.
- 18:16My brain wasn't just learning to like cereal.
- 18:19It was learning what joy tasted like. That may
- 18:23sound dramatic, but it was. Psychologists call
- 18:28that learning classical conditioning. It's the
- 18:32same learning process that allows a song to transport
- 18:36you back to high school or the smell of sunscreen
- 18:40to remember summers at the pool, let's say. When
- 18:44the brain repeatedly pairs an experience with
- 18:47a feeling, It begins to treat one as inseparable
- 18:53from the other. So basically cereal wasn't just
- 18:56cereal. The meaning of it, it was Saturday. It
- 19:01was freedom. It was safety, excitement, and belonging.
- 19:07All brightly colored in my bowl. The cereal box
- 19:12itself was part of the conditioning. Researchers
- 19:16from Cornell University found that companies
- 19:19intentionally angled the gaze of a serial mascot
- 19:24such as Tony the Tiger, Toucan Sam, or the Trix
- 19:29Rabbit. They angled their gaze slightly downward
- 19:34to create direct eye contact with children standing
- 19:38in the grocery aisle. That's so crazy. They weren't
- 19:43just brand logos, right? They invited children
- 19:46to see them as familiar, trustworthy friends.
- 19:52Kids whose brains were still developing the ability
- 19:56to recognize persuasion often accepted these
- 20:00mascots as their friends. But those childhood
- 20:05messages extended far beyond the cereal box.
- 20:09Think about Tang. I mentioned it earlier. It
- 20:13became synonymous with astronauts and vitamin
- 20:16C. It made it seem healthy to millions of families
- 20:21in the 70s, although it was essentially sugar
- 20:25with some added vitamins. Speaking of vitamins,
- 20:29what about the Flintstone vitamins? They were
- 20:32shaped like Fred and Barney and Pebbles and BamBam,
- 20:34but they looked and tasted like candy. We were
- 20:38handed those every morning. as an act of loving
- 20:44parental care, if you will. Even cereal commercials
- 20:49reassured us that we were eating what we were
- 20:53eating was part of a complete breakfast, reinforcing
- 20:57the idea that these foods belonged in a healthy
- 21:00diet. No one was trying to mislead their children,
- 21:06not one parent. They bought Tang. Flintstone
- 21:10vitamins and sugary cereals because they believe
- 21:12the advertising, the health messaging, and it
- 21:18was the culture of the time presented as a good
- 21:21choice. The funny not so funny thing is years
- 21:27later, when I found myself super stressed out,
- 21:31I reached for some of those same cereals. It
- 21:34wasn't because I lacked the willpower, it was
- 21:37that my brain had spent years rehearsing that
- 21:41association between sugar and security since
- 21:45I was five years old. I'm sure many of you can
- 21:49relate to that. Some other food rituals from
- 21:54our childhood and childhood today include birthday
- 21:58cake, ice cream going for ice cream after sport
- 22:02sporting games and events buttered popcorn during
- 22:06family movie night pizza on Friday night because
- 22:10the weekend had finally arrived or in my family
- 22:15fast food for a reward or as a reward for good
- 22:19grades sometimes fast food was just so that you
- 22:23could soften a hard day Long before we understood
- 22:29nutrition, food had already become woven into
- 22:32celebrations, comfort, and belonging. Those rituals
- 22:38became emotional maps that many of us still follow
- 22:41today. Repeated research consistently shows that
- 22:46parents strongly shape their children's relationship
- 22:49with food. What they eat, how they talk about
- 22:53food, and whether they use it as a reward or
- 22:56punishment, all become lessons children carry
- 22:59into adulthood. Food in families is never just
- 23:03food. Think about the phrase, clean your plate,
- 23:08or there are starving children in Africa. It
- 23:12wasn't just our parents trying to make us eat
- 23:14our vegetables or eat the food in front of us.
- 23:17It was often families living through food scarcity
- 23:21and food waste had once been unthinkable with
- 23:25them growing up. The survival logic became basically
- 23:33a family tradition. Treats given as comfort or
- 23:37food withheld as discipline, those were patterns
- 23:41that didn't begin with our parents. They came
- 23:46from the generations before them and each passed
- 23:50a long emotional language of food to the next
- 23:54generation. So by now you might be thinking like,
- 23:58oh, this is hopeless. If all of this begins before
- 24:02we're even aware, there's nothing we can do about
- 24:04it. We're all doomed. But that's not true. Everything
- 24:09we've explored in this episode explains how your
- 24:12relationship with food begins. It doesn't write
- 24:17the rest of our stories, right? Like I said,
- 24:20the intelligence of our biology has not disappeared.
- 24:25The body continues to change. The same neuroplasticity
- 24:31that shaped the brain and the womb and throughout
- 24:35childhood remains active for the rest of our
- 24:38lives. Our brains never lose their ability to
- 24:43form new associations, new patterns, new responses
- 24:48even. Neural pathways strengthen with each repeated
- 24:55use. While those we no longer use, so let's just
- 25:00say we stop feeding our body all the sugar, all
- 25:04the processed foods, those neural pathways, they
- 25:09become gradually quieter. That's the biology
- 25:14of habit change that we explored in episode 18.
- 25:18Awareness creates new pathways and with repetition
- 25:23those pathways become easier to follow. They
- 25:26become stronger and so therefore they're easier
- 25:28to follow. The microbiome also continues to evolve.
- 25:35It responds to diet, sleep, physical activity,
- 25:41and a chronic stress, we know that. As it adapts,
- 25:46it can regain diversity over time. Meaning the
- 25:51gut you inherited isn't always the gut that you'll
- 25:54keep. Our environment continues to influence
- 25:59epigenetic expression throughout your life. The
- 26:05same mechanism that allowed stress and scarcity
- 26:08to alter gene expression throughout generations
- 26:12can also respond to safety, nourishment, and
- 26:16reduced chronic stress. The inheritance is real,
- 26:20but it won't determine the rest of your life.
- 26:25Before we ever made choices about food, the food
- 26:29was already shaping us, right? And that's not
- 26:32a reason for despair. But it is a reason for
- 26:35compassion toward yourself, toward the people
- 26:40who raised you, and toward the child who was
- 26:44absorbing the world exactly as the developing
- 26:47brain is designed to do. Beneath all of that
- 26:53conditioning is the version of you who simply
- 26:56knew hunger, who knew satisfaction. who ate because
- 27:02the body asked for food and stopped because the
- 27:06body had had enough. That self has not disappeared.
- 27:12It's simply become a little bit harder to hear.
- 27:17You are responsible for the choices you make
- 27:19today, but not for the conditions under which
- 27:23those choices first developed. Understanding
- 27:26where those patterns came from is how we begin
- 27:30to find our way back to our original self. In
- 27:35the next episode, we're moving into a new territory.
- 27:41Episode 20 is menopause, metabolism, and the
- 27:458pm problem. We'll explore what happens as the
- 27:50body changes through midlife. including hormones,
- 27:54circadian rhythms, evening hunger, and why so
- 27:58many people feel like the rules suddenly change
- 28:00without anyone sending them a memo. I'm that
- 28:05person. This episode is for all of you, but it
- 28:08is for me as well. Thank you for spending this
- 28:12time with me. If you'd like to learn more about
- 28:15working with me, you'll find all my contact information
- 28:18in the episode notes. But until next time, take
- 28:22care and have a wonderful day.