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Suspected Portland Serial Killer Stands Silent in Court · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A moment of truth and a court of law. A
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Speaker 2: suspected serial killer jesse Lee Calhoun comes face to face
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Speaker 2: with multiple victims families in court as he pleads not
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Speaker 2: guilty to brutally murdering three women in Oregon and Washington.
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Speaker 2: And I strongly suspect there are other victims. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. A suspected serial killer, jesse Lee
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Speaker 2: Calhoun seemed without emotion as he comes face to face
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Speaker 2: in court with the victims' families. Calhoun, thirty nine, is
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Speaker 2: facing three counts of murder, three counts of abuse of
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Speaker 2: a corpse, and the horrific slayings of twenty four year
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Speaker 2: old Charity Lynn Perry, Bridget LeAnn Webster and Joanna speaks
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Speaker 2: and he pulled a coburger. His lawyer pleaded not guilty
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Speaker 2: for him on his behalf. When he Calhoun refused to
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Speaker 2: speak out loud in court. Oh please, how did the
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Speaker 2: whole thing unfold? I and many others have been screaming
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Speaker 2: from the get go there is a serial killer stalking Portland.
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Speaker 2: But police not only deny it, they come right out
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Speaker 2: and say point blank, we want to address all the
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Speaker 2: quote rumors that there's a serial killer, it's absolutely not true.
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Speaker 2: Now we find out what they said is what's not true.
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Speaker 2: That's kind of an outright lie. I had to put
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Speaker 2: that on the Portland PD. But it feels like a
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Speaker 2: kick in the teeth when someone in law enforcement intentionally
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Speaker 2: misleads the public. They stated that they they did not
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Speaker 2: want to scare Portland women. How about saving Portland women
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Speaker 2: from a serial killer? And the number one way to
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Speaker 2: avoid being a victim is having knowledge, knowledge that there
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Speaker 2: is a serial killer and this is his mo motors,
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Speaker 2: opera and method of operation. These are his victims. This
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Speaker 2: is what they had in common. What if anything, does
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Speaker 2: that have to do with me a woman walking down
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Speaker 2: the street, getting out of my car and going into
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Speaker 2: the department store in Portland. But no, they kept it
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Speaker 2: a secret. They knew it. But they not only no
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Speaker 2: comment that didn't happen, they outright denied it. That said, bottleshell,
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Speaker 2: there is a serial killer in Portland. Take listens to
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Speaker 2: our friends at ABC and KATU.
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Speaker 3: A major development in the investment destigation into the deaths
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Speaker 3: of several women in Oregon, just one month after police
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Speaker 3: suggested the mysterious deaths of six women were not connected.
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Speaker 3: Officials now say they believe at least four killings are connected.
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Speaker 3: The victims' bodies were found in wooded and rural areas
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Speaker 3: between February and May. Nine agencies took part in the investigation,
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Speaker 3: leading them to a person of interest and.
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Speaker 4: Sources to say a person of interest is already off
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Speaker 4: the streets.
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Speaker 2: And I'd like to point out that person of interest
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Speaker 2: who is quote off the streets, Jesse Lee Calhoun. He's
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Speaker 2: thirty eight years old. When they're saying he's off the streets,
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Speaker 2: that's because they've just snabbed him. He was behind bars
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Speaker 2: already for a long string of arrests. He is a
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Speaker 2: career criminal. He has attacked police officer and a K
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Speaker 2: nine in the past. He's committed all sorts of felonies.
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Speaker 2: But he got early release under the former governor because
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Speaker 2: she thought he was susceptible to COVID. Okay, he was
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Speaker 2: recently ordered picked up after there's clear links to him
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Speaker 2: and it's just got to be DNA. But that said,
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Speaker 2: he got early release, and I've got copious notes that
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Speaker 2: I've taken about the time he was released on the
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Speaker 2: streets July twenty twenty one. By June. About a year
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Speaker 2: and a half later, twenty twenty three, reports submerged in
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Speaker 2: The Oregonian that six young women's bodies have been found.
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Speaker 2: That was fast, He's out less than two years on
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Speaker 2: the street. Six women's bodies are found right now. Four
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Speaker 2: of these women are being linked. Waiting to hear about
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Speaker 2: the other two. Now, one may have been an unintentional overdose.
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Speaker 2: We're waiting to find out about that, but I don't
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Speaker 2: know that. And another thing aim to consider before I
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Speaker 2: get to my All Star panel is if this is
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Speaker 2: a serial killer's dream, it's a no police zone. Remember Portland,
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Speaker 2: stop police, get rid of police, make this this police
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Speaker 2: free zone. Well, you know what, here you go, six
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Speaker 2: dead bodies and a serial killer that said again, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. I want to go first
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Speaker 2: out of this All Star panel to Cheryl McCollum, founder
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Speaker 2: and director of the Cold Case Research Institute, star of
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Speaker 2: a hit new series Zone seven. You can find her
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Speaker 2: at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl, can you believe this? How
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Speaker 2: long have you and I and many others I can't
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Speaker 2: take all the credit been saying there is a serial killer.
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Speaker 2: I don't care what police are saying, there's a serial killer.
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Speaker 5: It was pretty obvious to all of us. So again,
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Speaker 5: whatever decision they make and.
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Speaker 2: They think we're idiots.
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if they already identified the sky on
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Speaker 5: their own, and they knew he was already locked up,
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Speaker 5: maybe they just wanted to keep playing it because they
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Speaker 5: were interviewing people.
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Speaker 2: Cheryl, he was released. Oh yeah, that's how all the women,
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Speaker 2: well a lot of them got killed. And it'll be
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Speaker 2: a cold day in hub l that. I believe this
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Speaker 2: is his first rodeo. I mean, Karen Stark, you're the
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Speaker 2: renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan at Karenstark dot com.
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Speaker 2: That's Karen with the sea. There's no way these are
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Speaker 2: his first murtyrs. It's just not possible. And I want
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Speaker 2: to point out one more thing and my analysis, I
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Speaker 2: believe that the serial killer obviously used a car because
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Speaker 2: these women are dumped. One was behind a barn in
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Speaker 2: a rural area. One was down a riverside parkway out
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Speaker 2: in a remote area. They're found in wooded and remote areas.
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Speaker 2: He didn't drag them there on his back. Okay, now
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Speaker 2: let me tell you this detail, Karen's I understand that
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Speaker 2: he has told people. I haven't found any verification of
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Speaker 2: it yet, but he is a self proclaimed artist that
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Speaker 2: he paints individualized, unique art on cars. So there you
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Speaker 2: go that those cars, that any car that he has
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Speaker 2: used is full forensic evidence. But what do you say,
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Speaker 2: Karen start first, Rodeo, Yes.
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Speaker 6: No, no, I really I can't imagine because when you
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Speaker 6: are somebody who was a serial killer the way that
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Speaker 6: he is, and it's a woman after woman after women,
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Speaker 6: he had practiced on doing this, Nancy. I don't know
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Speaker 6: how he started or where he started, but there are
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Speaker 6: bodies somewhere that this man has definitely killed, and I'm
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Speaker 6: sure they're going to find other evidence.
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Speaker 2: Because that's just how serial killers work.
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Speaker 6: They don't all of a sudden most of the time
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Speaker 6: just kill someone and say yeah, I'm going to t
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Speaker 6: They practice, They practice until they really know what they're doing,
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Speaker 6: and then they keep going and it gets worse.
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Speaker 5: So it's a good thing they found him.
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Speaker 6: And by the way, I think a thousand people who
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Speaker 6: were released early when he.
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Speaker 2: Was Yeah, thanks, Governor Jackie. Was that Governor Brown? Governor Brown?
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Speaker 2: Now we've got ko tech In. She is the one
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Speaker 2: that signed the go get him put in behind bars order,
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Speaker 2: but it was Brown that released him as part of
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Speaker 2: a giant clean out the jail, get out of jail
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Speaker 2: free moment. Back to you, Cheryl McCollum, director of the
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Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl, what can get to you?
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Speaker 2: There was a serial killer long before the Portland Police
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Speaker 2: finally told the truth.
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Speaker 7: Well, the dates you're talking about, February nineteenth to May seventh,
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Speaker 7: you've got four people in a small condensed area.
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Speaker 5: They all are similar in age from twenty two to
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Speaker 5: thirty one. They look kind of similar. Again, the area
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Speaker 5: that they were last seen is critical. So if they're
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Speaker 5: all in this downtown Portland area, a condensed area, and
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Speaker 5: then they're all dumped in a similar area, that tells
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Speaker 5: you right there you need to be looking at this
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Speaker 5: as a connection as links.
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Speaker 2: I want to go now to a net Newell with
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Speaker 2: k XL News and she's a host of speaking freely
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Speaker 2: with Annette Newle and thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Nancy. What finally nudged the Portland Police to admit
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Speaker 2: that there's a serial killer stalking women across the Portland area.
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Speaker 8: You know, the Portland Police actually have not admitted that yet.
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Speaker 8: The admission really came from the Moltnohmouth County District Attorney
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Speaker 8: because the pressure had finally been too great for them
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Speaker 8: to bear, because they have been getting Basically, we've known.
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Speaker 2: What's going on here.
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Speaker 8: It's pretty obvious that there are links between these women.
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Speaker 8: In fact, just this morning, I see in the Oregonian
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Speaker 8: that investigators have been searching a Riverview apartment where Jesse
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Speaker 8: Lee Calhoun, the suspect, live with a girlfriend after his
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Speaker 8: June sixth arrests, and that girlfriend confirmed that he had
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Speaker 8: ties to two of these women, Ashley Reel and Richet Walker.
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Speaker 8: So they all knew, we knew know. Some of these
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Speaker 8: women knew each other. Two of them were good friends
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Speaker 8: growing up as kids. They were friends, you know. So
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Speaker 8: we've known that there's obvious connections here, and I think
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Speaker 8: the pressure finally got so great that they had to
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Speaker 8: come clean and say yes.
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Speaker 2: In the last days of suspect a serial killer in court,
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Speaker 2: Remember I told you I suspect there are other victims.
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Speaker 2: Calhoun has been named a person of interest in the
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Speaker 2: deaths of Kristen Smith just twenty two and Ashley Ray
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Speaker 2: up twenty two. Their deaths remain under investigation, but the
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Speaker 2: connections are so strong. I feel it's got to be him.
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Speaker 2: Kristen's mother, Melissa said it was gut wrenching when she
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Speaker 2: saw Calhoun in the courtroom. She said, and I quote,
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Speaker 2: it's hard to look you in the face. And there's
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Speaker 2: a lot I'd like to say. We already feel broken,
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Speaker 2: we already feel empty. Many of the other victims' families
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Speaker 2: couldn't bring themselves to even look at the suspected killer.
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Speaker 2: How did Calhoun manage to kill three? And I believe
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Speaker 2: at least five women? Jared Farentino, homicide prosecutor. You can
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Speaker 2: find them on and Facebook at Jared Farantino. Jared, did
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Speaker 2: you hear what Annett Neil just said? It's always shocking
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Speaker 2: to me to find out a serial killer has like
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Speaker 2: a girlfriend at home and a Riverview apartment blending in
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Speaker 2: with the rest of us. You can't look at someone
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Speaker 2: and tell what's going on, what's lurking behind that facade.
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Speaker 2: I mean, look at the guy arrested for the Long
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Speaker 2: Island serial killings. He has a wife and two children.
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Speaker 2: He's a respected architect in New York City. Kind of
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Speaker 2: reminds me a little bit of BTK the Dog Catcher.
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Speaker 2: A deacon at his church, wife children. He was killing
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Speaker 2: women left and right, dressing up in their clothes and
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Speaker 2: taking pictures. Okay, so how these people I can't say
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Speaker 2: that Brian Coburg are really blended in. Right, He's getting
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Speaker 2: his PhD there at Washington State University and he had
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Speaker 2: been up to all sorts of freaky shenanigans before he
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Speaker 2: gets charged with murder. But aside from him, so many
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Speaker 2: of these prolific killers blend in with everybody else.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's so true, Nancy, and you raise a good point.
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Speaker 9: We talk about bt K and Cooleberger and this latest
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Speaker 9: architect with the Gilo Beach murders.
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Speaker 2: Sheerman, Yes, Heewerman.
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Speaker 9: And the reality is Calhoun is a little different than
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Speaker 9: those individuals. Calhoun is a career criminal and a violent criminal.
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Speaker 9: This is a guy who choked a dog when the
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Speaker 9: SWAT team came to get him.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I stop right there, Jarrett Farantino, I knew that
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Speaker 2: he attacked a cop and the K nine, I did
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Speaker 2: not know he tried to choke the dog.
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Speaker 9: That's what was reported when the when the police came
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Speaker 9: to get him. So the reality is this is someone
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Speaker 9: that wasn't hiding in plain sight, this is a violent
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Speaker 9: criminal who has access to five hundred rounds of ammunition
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Speaker 9: in one arrest. He is always runs when the police
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Speaker 9: come from him. He's jumped in the river.
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Speaker 2: He fights with the Oh yeah, I sawr He actually
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Speaker 2: jumped and that was it. The Willamette River. The Willamette River.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know, I thought I was Willamett. It's Willambit. Okay,
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Speaker 2: hold on just a moment, you know, let me just
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Speaker 2: analyze that for a moment, Jarrett Farantine. When a cop
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Speaker 2: pulls up behind me, I pull over, I turned the
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Speaker 2: car off, I let the window down, and I sit
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Speaker 2: there and wait for them to say license registration. This
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Speaker 2: guy jumped in a river. Really, it just goes.
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Speaker 9: To the wiring inside of his head. You know. That's
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Speaker 9: a fight or flight scenario. And this is my ninety
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Speaker 9: nine cent psychiatry degree. But the reality is some people react.
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Speaker 9: They're compliant, they're fearful. Others want to fight and run
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Speaker 9: and you just.
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Speaker 2: Never know because they are guilty.
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Speaker 9: Well, typically they're guilty or running from something else. This
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Speaker 9: guy is running from the bodies he has buried all
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Speaker 9: over the community. I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: Let's just say they're guilty of something. It may not
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Speaker 2: be running the stop sign, but I mean, really, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 2: as I used to tell jury's at many many times,
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Speaker 2: I would tell the story about how I would stop.
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Speaker 2: But when a cock comes up behind you, do you
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Speaker 2: take off at ninety mph and try to get away
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Speaker 2: or jump in a river? No, you don't, because you
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Speaker 2: haven't done anything wrong. When someone runs or jumps in
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Speaker 2: a river or tries to strangle a canine dog, I mean, yes,
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Speaker 2: they're guilty.
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Speaker 6: They're not just guilty. They have no fear of authority.
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Speaker 6: That's somebody who know I'll just turn around and fight. So, yes,
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Speaker 6: they're guilty, but he's going to fight back no matter what.
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Speaker 6: There's a reason that this guy was incarcerated. He tried
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Speaker 6: to kill the dog. How many people have the strength
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Speaker 6: to do that. So I hate to say this, but
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Speaker 6: just imagine what it was like for these girls, these women,
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Speaker 6: to have to deal with this guy. He's got incredible
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Speaker 6: strength and no fear whatsoever.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we are talking about multiple women. Now did who
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Speaker 2: are they? What happened? Let's first talk about Kristin Smith.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our friend Drew Marine at KPTV.
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Speaker 10: Melissa Smith says Kristin was last seen here near Malsule five.
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Speaker 10: She has a tattoo of a red butterfly on her
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Speaker 10: right hand. Each day that passes and Melissa and Hayley
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Speaker 10: Smith don't hear from twenty two year old Kristin Smith,
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Speaker 10: they get more concerned she's in danger.
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Speaker 2: And now I'll listen to our cut eleven KPTV.
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Speaker 11: The Portland Police Bureau says they responded to reports of
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Speaker 11: human remains found in a wooded area near southeast Deerdorf
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Speaker 11: Road and Flavelle Street on February nineteenth. Now authorities have
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Speaker 11: confirmed the remains belonged to Kristen.
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Speaker 2: I think of her every moment of every day, and her.
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Speaker 11: Family search has turned into one for answers what happened.
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Speaker 12: I know she didn't just suddenly die out there.
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Speaker 2: Somebody did something.
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Speaker 11: But they say closure would be finding out what happened
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Speaker 11: to Kristin.
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Speaker 2: You've got to wonder how all of these victims' families
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Speaker 2: are feeling after being told for so long there was
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Speaker 2: not a serial killer, and now the truth coming out.
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Speaker 2: And then, of course, in addition to Kristin, there's Joanna Speaks.
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Speaker 2: Take Us an hour cut nineteen our friends at crimeonline
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Speaker 2: dot com.
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Speaker 13: Joanna Speaks is part of a big, blended family with
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Speaker 13: three biological siblings, four step siblings, three nieces, one nephew,
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Speaker 13: as well as three incredible children of her own One thirteen,
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Speaker 13: Braxton twelfth, and Melanie seven. In a family this big,
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Speaker 13: she was still able to stand out. Her stepsister Ariel
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Speaker 13: Hanby says, as a youngster, she was loud and vibrant.
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Speaker 13: Everything that she did was like go big or go
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Speaker 13: home kind of attitude. Her older sister, Robin Speake, pointed
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Speaker 13: out that she was a fighter, the wild one of
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Speaker 13: all of us. Joanna Speaks was a big kid, hilarious, sarcastic,
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Speaker 13: and super witty. She defines the term one of a kind.
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think about Joanna Speaks. His family
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Speaker 2: standing by waiting to hear the latest on her debt.
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Speaker 2: As you just heard, she is a mom, leaving behind
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Speaker 2: children who will grow up without mom. So far, four
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Speaker 2: of the dead women have been connected, we believe to
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Speaker 2: a career criminal, jesse Lee Calhoun. And of course there's more.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to our cut twenty three thoughts twelve.
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Speaker 14: Just before six pm, Richfield Police and Clark Howltzfire responded
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Speaker 14: to this abindon property and found Speaks dead.
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Speaker 3: Near the barn.
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Speaker 14: A medical examination ruled it a murderer, and Clark County
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Speaker 14: Sheriff's believe she was killed elsewhere then moved to this location.
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Speaker 14: But her killer has not been found.
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Speaker 15: And there is no way that she would have gone
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Speaker 15: down without a fight. So whoever did do this likely
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Speaker 15: had injuries or something like that personally as well from
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Speaker 15: her fighting back.
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Speaker 2: How do you continue on? I don't know.
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Speaker 16: Nothing is off the table as to what we're thinking
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Speaker 16: could have happened.
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Speaker 14: The family of Joanna Speaks is left shock and speechless
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Speaker 14: after getting a phone call that their thirty two year
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Speaker 14: old sister from Oregon City was found near an abandoned
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Speaker 14: barn in Ridgefield, Washington.
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Speaker 2: And of course there's a Bridget Take a listener. Forensic
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Speaker 2: KOI in.
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Speaker 17: The Pope County Sheriff's Office investigating after a Milwaukee woman's
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Speaker 17: body was found abandoned in their jurisdiction. A deputy say
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Speaker 17: Bridget Webster's body was found on Sunday near Mill Creek
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Speaker 17: in northwest Polk County. They say Webster was last seen
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Speaker 17: alive in the Portland metro area, the Sheriff's office asking
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Speaker 17: anyone who knew her or has information about her death
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Speaker 17: to call detectives.
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Speaker 2: So far, we're not getting a clear cause of death
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Speaker 2: on all of the women. Those are several of the
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Speaker 2: women that have been found their bodies littering the Portland area.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories, with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Charged with three murderers and suspected in at least two
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Speaker 2: more brutal murders. The mother of one of the other women,
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Speaker 2: Melissa Smith, also stated, I'm already broken, I'm already falling,
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Speaker 2: but I've got to keep going. Oh this mom just
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Speaker 2: ripped in half. Came to court wearing a black T
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Speaker 2: shirt with pink letters that stay justice for Kristen Smith.
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Speaker 2: This mother looked Calhoun directly in the face. How did
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Speaker 2: all of these women end up dead at the hands
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Speaker 2: of one man? Annette and Newell joining us k excel.
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Speaker 2: Why are they withholding the cod cause of death?
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Speaker 16: Now?
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Speaker 2: I know one of the victims was bludgeoned, but what
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Speaker 2: about the others?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, one of the family members of the one who
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Speaker 8: was bludgeoned has been in communication with me and she
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Speaker 8: said that she believed that their bodies were further along
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Speaker 8: decomposed more than more than her sisters was, so that
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Speaker 8: made it more difficult to identify a cause of death.
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Speaker 8: And she's been calling for the FBI to get involved
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Speaker 8: because of that, because they've been they need more really
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Speaker 8: good crime scene investigators with the tools to really investigate this.
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Speaker 8: And in fact, she just came up with a list
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Speaker 8: of She says there are one hundred and fifty six
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Speaker 8: missing women and female children in Oregon since January of
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Speaker 8: this year, and she's even printed out a list of
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Speaker 8: who's missing by age from the state's website. So to me,
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Speaker 8: that's just a phenomenal number. But she's really gone after this.
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Speaker 8: And you spoke to her too. Her name is Ariel.
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Speaker 8: You talked to her before when you had her on
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Speaker 8: about Joanna speaks on your show. Joanna was the only
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Speaker 8: one of the six women who've been found where they
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Speaker 8: definitively said yes, this woman was killed and the cause
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Speaker 8: was murdered, murdered by you know, in this case, blunt
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Speaker 8: worst trauma. The other ones, they're saying that they don't
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Speaker 8: have a cause of death, at least not yet.
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Speaker 2: It's interesting joining me right now, Doctor Todd M. Barr
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Speaker 2: Board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist, featured in Thin Places
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Speaker 2: Essays from in Between Doctor Barr, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. It would seem to me that even if
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Speaker 2: a body had been lying out behind a barn or
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Speaker 2: down a ravine for some period of time, you would
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Speaker 2: still be able to tell if that body, if that
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Speaker 2: victim had been bludgeoned dead, because the skeleton it's self
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Speaker 2: is not really conducive to deteriorating out the elements the
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Speaker 2: way soft tissue is.
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Speaker 16: That's correct. If there are you know, sometimes people can
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Speaker 16: obtain fractures to their skulls from various means. But in
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Speaker 16: this kind of a situation, if a body is found
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Speaker 16: and there's evidence of hemorrhage of blood on the brain,
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Speaker 16: even even with the decomposing body, we can still tell
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Speaker 16: if there's hemorrhage within the calvarium within the head, and
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Speaker 16: whether or not there are blunt force trauma applied with
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Speaker 16: force to.
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Speaker 9: Any part of the body.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, there's there are certain things that we look for.
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Speaker 16: I had a I had a case that I worked
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Speaker 16: on for a serial killing and his ritualistic maneuvers were
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Speaker 16: to hub tie these women after manually asphixiating them, So
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Speaker 16: there are certain things that you can find even in
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Speaker 16: decomposed bodies. In those bodies that I was just speaking
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Speaker 16: of were also decomposed, and we were able to collect
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Speaker 16: quite a bit of information.
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Speaker 2: Guys. There is also an unidentified woman. Will she be
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Speaker 2: connected to Calhoun as well? Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: cut b from KPTV.
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Speaker 18: An unidentified woman between twenty five and forty years old
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Speaker 18: was found dead near I to A five in southeast
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Speaker 18: Flavelle Street. The Moltnoman County Medical Examiner's Office is asking
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Speaker 18: for the public's help identifying her and provided this sketch.
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Speaker 18: They say she was possibly Native American, with medium length
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Speaker 18: black hair and about five foot one. At the time,
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Speaker 18: they say she was wearing a longsleeve green T shirt,
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Speaker 18: a black and white jacket, and black and white Adidas cleats.
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Speaker 18: She also had two tattoos, a black music note with
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Speaker 18: the letter V on her chest and the Buddha.
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Speaker 1: On her back.
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Speaker 2: Back to Cheryl McCollum joining us a founder and director
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Speaker 2: of the Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her
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Speaker 2: at coldcasecrimes dot org. Cheryl writs you the most about
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Speaker 2: the way the women's bodies were found and what do
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Speaker 2: you interpret from.
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Speaker 5: That, Nasie, You and I both know that the cut
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Speaker 5: the bluff. They know thanks the street talks. I believe
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Speaker 5: that there's some witnesses here that know this perpetrator, perhaps
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Speaker 5: saw him with some of the victims, whether they knew
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Speaker 5: the victims or not. But I think law enforcement god
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Speaker 5: on his radar because of a witness. I think when
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Speaker 5: you look at the bodies again, where they were taken
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Speaker 5: from and where they were disposed of, these were not
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Speaker 5: people that had a drug overdose. You're not going to
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Speaker 5: take drugs on fourteenth Street and then walk four miles
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Speaker 5: and drop dead on the side of the road of
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Speaker 5: a drug overdose. That's not how it happened. They were
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Speaker 5: transported and I think that's very clear when you look
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Speaker 5: at the distances and you look at again where these
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Speaker 5: started and where they ended.
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Speaker 2: There's another victim, Ashley Real take lis to hour cut
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Speaker 2: three KGW.
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Speaker 12: These woods off Southeast Judd Road in rural Clockamus County
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Speaker 12: is where deputies discovered the remains of Ashley Reel. The
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Speaker 12: twenty two year old was last seen in late March
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Speaker 12: at a fast food restaurant and transit center in East Portland.
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Speaker 12: She turned up dead in that heavily wooded area.
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Speaker 2: Kristin Smith, age twenty two, Charity Perry, Ah twenty four,
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Speaker 2: Bridget Webster aged thirty one, Ashley Real age twenty two,
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Speaker 2: Joanna Speaks age thirty two, and an unidentified female as
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Speaker 2: young as twenty five. To doctor Todd m bar how
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Speaker 2: can you tell the age of someone that is unidentified?
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Speaker 2: Once they're identified, you can pull their driver's license or
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Speaker 2: get their birth certificate and get the age. What about
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Speaker 2: an unidentified female? How do you get the age on that?
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Speaker 16: It's difficult depending on state of decomposition, if if a
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Speaker 16: portion of the body of skeletonized, or if it isn't.
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Speaker 16: We can always do a CP examination or radiological examination
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Speaker 16: to look at the formation of the bones. We can
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Speaker 16: look at the televis, We can look at various structures
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Speaker 16: of the body that can indicate, like futures in the head,
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Speaker 16: whether or not they've used. There are certain diagnostic craseria
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Speaker 16: that we can use to sort of give an estimated age.
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Speaker 16: In fact, we use a lot of forensic anthropology in
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Speaker 16: cases that are unidentified and skeletonized, and they've been very
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Speaker 16: very helpful and successful with rendering drawings of what these
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Speaker 16: people may have looked like alive, and combined with the
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Speaker 16: findings of the epic anthropological examination, we can give it
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Speaker 16: a range of ages. We don't there's no magic wand
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Speaker 16: that you can see, Oh, this one is specifically twenty
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Speaker 16: five years old, but we would say this is a
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Speaker 16: light woman between the ages of twenty five and thirty sage.
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Speaker 16: Look into that effect.
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Speaker 2: How what is and how does a forensic anthropologist help you?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 16: Forensic anthropologists are well versed in the structure of the
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Speaker 16: human body with bones, and they can and when someone
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Speaker 16: is skeletonized and you can't even tell if the person
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Speaker 16: is male or female, then they can look at various
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Speaker 16: structures of the bones that are more fitting. And they
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Speaker 16: can actually determine race many times as well, because there
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Speaker 16: are differences between Caucasian features and other races that you
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Speaker 16: can see differences in.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In the Last Days.
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Speaker 2: Inspect, a serial killer appears in court, coming face to
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Speaker 2: face with the victims' families as he pleads not guilty
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Speaker 2: horrific crimes. How did one man manage to wreck so
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Speaker 2: many lives? How closely together the bodies were found? Is
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Speaker 2: for not being told the ceod cause of death on
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Speaker 2: these women. We know one was bludgeoned that certainly wasn't
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Speaker 2: an accident or suicide. Then she was dumped in a
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Speaker 2: remote area and at Knewell. How closely together were the
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Speaker 2: women's bodies found, Yeah, I think in one case it
29:37
Speaker 2: was like less than three miles from each other, and
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Speaker 2: all within you know, certainly a seventy mile radius in
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Speaker 2: the greater Portland metro area.
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Speaker 8: They were found in different counties, which is interesting too.
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Speaker 8: So that's why we have Clacamus County Sheriff's office investigating one,
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Speaker 8: Poul County another, Moltnomah County another, and then the Portland
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Speaker 8: Police Bureau on the fourth one. So all four of
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Speaker 8: the women who are connected to that one person of
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Speaker 8: interest were found in different counties under different sheriffs jurisdictions.
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Speaker 2: It looks like he just got out of a fight
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Speaker 2: and he looks mean as h double ll. Let me
30:15
Speaker 2: tell you what I agree with both of them. I
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Speaker 2: want to meet him in a dark alley unless I
30:18
Speaker 2: had a bullet, right.
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Speaker 5: But this also goes to why the cause of death
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Speaker 5: may be undetermined if this was a drug overdose, because
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Speaker 5: he's added sentinel to something or he's got some street
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Speaker 5: level myth. It's not as pure as it should be.
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Speaker 5: Then somebody that might have used this drug before could
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Speaker 5: in fact overdose, but it could be deliberate.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a minute, boy, can I follow
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Speaker 2: through your line of thinking to its logical conclusion? Are
30:46
Speaker 2: you actually saying that some of these women died of
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Speaker 2: an OD and then he carted their bodies away? Okay,
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Speaker 2: that didn't happen. He murdered them. He did not inject
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Speaker 2: them with bad drugs.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely he did.
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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know yet, of course, we don't know yet.
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Speaker 2: But Inette Neil, I recognize your voice. You want to
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Speaker 2: tell me these women odd? And then he dragged them
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Speaker 2: on his tricycle eight miles away and don't their bodies? No,
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Speaker 2: they did not die of him oding them. And if
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Speaker 2: they had, odd, he would have left them laying right
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Speaker 2: where they are. And one of the Portland Tints said
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Speaker 2: he's full of drug addicts and nobody's helping Nancy Karen.
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Speaker 6: Fact that he bludgeoned one of them would do well,
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Speaker 6: no weight, that's that person is not connected yet?
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Speaker 2: Are you talking about Joanna speaks?
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Speaker 8: Johanna speaks, the one that we know is bludgeoned.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still say these women, I mean, it's
31:40
Speaker 2: not logical to think that he gave them bad drugs
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Speaker 2: and they o deed and so then he drags their
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Speaker 2: bodies away. That's no. And he's connected for a reason.
31:51
Speaker 2: There's got to be some kind of dNaM o, something
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Speaker 2: more than he knewed two of them in high school.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: I want to add Nancy that he also I can't
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Speaker 6: imagine someone who's the serial killer would want to just
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Speaker 6: drug somebody.
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Speaker 5: There's no fun in that for him.
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Speaker 6: And believe me, he had a good time killing each woman,
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Speaker 6: so that would be way too easy.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl, what were you saying now that we have
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Speaker 2: completely destroyed your theory of he intentionally drugged them? I
32:18
Speaker 2: don't even I can't believe he even said that. Are
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Speaker 2: you having disorted?
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Speaker 5: Let me just be clear.
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Speaker 2: They knew this guy since high school?
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Speaker 5: How long has he been a piece of crap? The
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Speaker 5: whole time? He was a piece of crap in high school? Yeah,
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Speaker 5: so why are they connecting with him now? Because there's
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Speaker 5: a reason, and I'm saying him having drugs is a
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Speaker 5: plausible reason they got together with him. What happened to
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Speaker 5: after that is something different. So if he gave them
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Speaker 5: pills that he knew was laced with sentinel at another
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Speaker 5: location to do what he wanted to do, they couldn't
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Speaker 5: fight back, wait.
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Speaker 2: To do what he wanted to Were you talking about
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Speaker 2: raping them or killing them either?
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Speaker 16: Or we don't.
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Speaker 5: We don't know. We don't know the information yet.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee you he did not od them and sit
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Speaker 2: back and watch him die. I agree with Karen Start.
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Speaker 5: I guarantee you drugs is a connection.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, I'm with you on that. He may have
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Speaker 2: known them, Okay, I'll go out on a limb he
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Speaker 2: did know them through drugs, or they're hanging out in
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Speaker 2: the same area where drugs are sold. But there's no
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Speaker 2: way a serial killer od somebody and sits there and
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Speaker 2: watches them die. That's not going to be their cod
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Speaker 2: cause of death. Mate. They may have drugs in their system,
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Speaker 2: but that's not going to be how he killed them.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Farantino, for Pete's sake, throw me a life
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Speaker 2: raft here.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's typically this guy's getting his kicks by probably bludgeoning.
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Speaker 9: Looking at his background, he has a violent background, so
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Speaker 9: I wouldn't make the lead.
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Speaker 2: He's triangled K nine Peo, Paul. What's he going to
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Speaker 2: do with these poor women?
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Speaker 6: Nancy? He wants to see the life go out of them.
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Speaker 6: You know, that's what he's about.
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Speaker 2: Unless he's high on meth at the time. Mini's out
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Speaker 2: of his mind, kicking, punching, strangling, binding, totally out of
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Speaker 2: his goard. Guy speaking of Jesse Calhoun, now a POI
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Speaker 2: in the case. Take a listening our cut forty four,
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Speaker 2: our friendsic Katu.
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Speaker 19: The person of interest is thirty eight year old Jesse
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Speaker 19: Lee Calhoun. He's currently booked in the Snake River Correctional Institution.
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Speaker 19: The molt Nooma County Sheriff's Office has described Calhoun as
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Speaker 19: a quote prolific thief and career criminal. He was serving
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Speaker 19: as saints for burglary when granted clemency by former Oregon
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Speaker 19: Governor Kate Brown in twenty twenty one. This was for
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Speaker 19: fighting the twenty twenty wildfires. The clemency shaved about twelve
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Speaker 19: months off his prison sentence. That sentence was set to
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Speaker 19: end July twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: And more from our friends at kat you this is
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Speaker 2: Debornapp in our cut forty five.
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Speaker 4: US Marshalls were asked to assist the multi MC County
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Speaker 4: Sheriff's office in apprehending Calhoun on June sixth, that was successful.
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Speaker 4: Oregon Governor Tina Cotex office says she revoked the commutation
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Speaker 4: for Calhoun July third, at the request of the MALTONOMC
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Speaker 4: County DA's office, and who was readmitted to the state
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Speaker 4: on July sixth. We reached out to former Governor Brown
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Speaker 4: for a response on this. She replied with a statement saying, quote,
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Speaker 4: I'm absolutely horrified for the victims, their families, and all
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Speaker 4: of those who've experienced these losses.
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Speaker 2: Wow. See how she dodged the fact that she's the
35:28
Speaker 2: one that let this guy out. And then about a
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Speaker 2: year and a half or so, six day bodies emerged.
35:35
Speaker 2: Now four of these are being we've been told connected
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Speaker 2: to Calhoun, and they are Kristen Smith, Charity Lynn Perry,
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Speaker 2: Bridget Leanne Ramsey Webster, and Ashley Real. We don't know
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Speaker 2: about the other two yet. Now, we were told that
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Speaker 2: these women have similar appearances, that they have similar hangouts,
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Speaker 2: similar characteristics, that's what we're being told. Are they the
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Speaker 2: same places that Calhoun hung out? We are looking now
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Speaker 2: at the possibility that his vehicle was used to transport
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Speaker 2: these women. We're trying to find out if DNA deoxuribo
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Speaker 2: nucleic acid is linking him to the women. We're trying
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Speaker 2: to determine are they last seen in the same area,
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Speaker 2: and we think that they are if a vehicle was used,
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Speaker 2: can we in any way get a route, even a
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Speaker 2: partial route, so traffic cams can be accessed. There are
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Speaker 2: similar disposal methods in all of the murders for women
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Speaker 2: found dead in Oregon in less than three months. At first,
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Speaker 2: authorities insisted it was not a serial killer's work, but
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Speaker 2: they were so wrong, and I predict there are many more.
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Speaker 2: If you'll remember, Calhoun, six foot four inches, has a
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Speaker 2: history of resisting arrest and he actually jumped into the
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Speaker 2: Willamette River in Milwaukee and tried to escape police. He
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Speaker 2: already has a fifty month sentence for assaulting a cop
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Speaker 2: and trying to strangle a police dog, burglary, and felony
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Speaker 2: use of a vehicle. What a horrible day in court
37:24
Speaker 2: for these victims' families. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy
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Speaker 2: Grace signing off goodbye friend,