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Humans vs. Machines · Scripture-ish

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, this is Ed Gallagher.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am reading my essay, Humans vs. Machines.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the subtitle,
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  SPEAKER_00: An Attempt at a Faithful Response to a Current News Story About
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  SPEAKER_00: Which I Don't Know Anything.
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  SPEAKER_00: So maybe you,
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  SPEAKER_00: dear listener,
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  SPEAKER_00: have heard something about Whether AI is going to kill us all here in
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  SPEAKER_00: the next few years,
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  SPEAKER_00: us all being all human beings on planet Earth,
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  SPEAKER_00: it has come to my attention that this is a thing that people are talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have heard some smart people talk about it, but I...
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  SPEAKER_00: Understand very little of what they say,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I have a perspective on what would it mean and how big of a threat is it
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  SPEAKER_00: and such like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: How should a Christian respond to this?
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a perspective on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I hope you find it helpful.
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  SPEAKER_00: Usually these essays that I put up on Substack are,
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  SPEAKER_00: usually they are essays that I have at some point read out at
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  SPEAKER_00: I speak in chapel every Wednesday at Heritage
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  SPEAKER_00: and usually it's,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, I've been putting up essays that I read out in chapel months ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: But this is one I have just read out in Chapel,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I thought since it's a current news story,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll go ahead and post it to Substack.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it will be helpful to some people.
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  SPEAKER_00: So here we go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is artificial intelligence going to kill us all in just a few years?
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  SPEAKER_00: That is a question making the news now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because some bigwigs in the AI world have claimed that the apocalypse is coming
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  SPEAKER_00: and it's almost here.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are people working at the companies making AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not the mom and pop AI companies.
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  SPEAKER_00: But big ones,
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  SPEAKER_00: companies like Anthropic and OpenAI,
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  SPEAKER_00: and these are big wigs at these companies,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the biggest of wigs,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the CEOs of the company saying that what they are doing is going
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  SPEAKER_00: to end humanity, kill us all.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: we shouldn't worry too much about this because our politicians are going
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  SPEAKER_00: to do something about it so we can rest assured in their competence and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know, whatever else, their wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: What should a Christian think about this news?
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  SPEAKER_00: The end of humanity by the end of the decade?
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, we need to understand something about AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let me explain the technology to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has something to do with computers, I think.
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  SPEAKER_00: I believe the internet might come into play somehow.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are microchips, maybe in the computers or in the internet or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: You mix them all together and you get robot armies.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's how it works.
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  SPEAKER_00: What if these companies make some sort of superintelligence that we humans cannot control?
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  SPEAKER_00: Which is, I think, their explicit aim.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are a few ways that might play out.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've heard some people say that if AI takes over the world,
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  SPEAKER_00: humans will be free,
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  SPEAKER_00: liberated from the tyranny of work, and able to pursue our passions and hobbies.
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  SPEAKER_00: In that scenario,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that some people will probably be on a spaceship,
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  SPEAKER_00: They'll have a mission to explore strange new worlds,
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  SPEAKER_00: to seek out new life and new civilizations, and to boldly split infinitives.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: another possibility,
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  SPEAKER_00: less positive,
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  SPEAKER_00: is that the AI will try to turn us into robots or some sort of cyborgs.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is, they'll try to assimilate us.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it may be that resistance is futile.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the AI will try to harvest our body's energy while we live in
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  SPEAKER_00: a dreamlike state in some sort of pod.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or maybe humans and machines will fight an apocalyptic war.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that covers the main possibilities.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's assume it's the Terminator scenario.
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  SPEAKER_00: Robots versus humans and robots win.
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  SPEAKER_00: I figure that it's not actually going to be a shooting war,
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  SPEAKER_00: but that the robots will get us in some other way,
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  SPEAKER_00: affecting the food supply or tampering with medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: But whatever, death comes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe very painful death, maybe quick death, but definitely death.
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  SPEAKER_00: My first thought is, what's the problem?
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  SPEAKER_00: Robots are not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Death is coming.
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  SPEAKER_00: We can't stop that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Of course,
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  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't want to be someone who is designing technology that would result
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  SPEAKER_00: in massive death or perhaps human extinction, but I'm not that person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am someone who is potentially facing death as a part of human extinction,
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  SPEAKER_00: and it just doesn't strike me as that big of a deal.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess I find it implausible that it's going to happen,
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  SPEAKER_00: but not that troublesome if it does happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: I would find it much more problematic if the technology were being designed
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  SPEAKER_00: to annihilate a selection of humans,
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  SPEAKER_00: like poor people or disabled people or Asians or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: In that case,
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  SPEAKER_00: we should definitely work to stop it,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we should probably put some people in prison.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the annihilation of all humans?
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, there are worse things.
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  SPEAKER_00: How plausible is this doomsday scenario?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have described to you the technology as I understand it,
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  SPEAKER_00: which should alert you to my complete ignorance in this realm.
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  SPEAKER_00: Some people very much involved in the AI world consider it plausible
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  SPEAKER_00: that machines will destroy humans during our lifetimes.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that plausible from a Christian point of view?
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't see why not.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I know some Christians would push back on that statement.
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  SPEAKER_00: They would insist that it cannot happen, that machines cannot destroy humanity.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have not heard people say this, but I'm guessing from analogous situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: I recall some years ago hearing Christians talk about global warming and
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  SPEAKER_00: the doomsday scenarios associated with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: As an aside,
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  SPEAKER_00: I note that we have been under a heat advisory all week as temperatures in
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  SPEAKER_00: the third week of September hover close to triple digits.
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  SPEAKER_00: But anyway,
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  SPEAKER_00: I would hear Christians declare that global warming cannot result
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  SPEAKER_00: in human extinction because the Bible says so.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they would make this statement, I've read the end and that's not how it goes.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is silliness.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do not know how the world will come to an end.
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  SPEAKER_00: There is a description in 2 Peter of a coming conflagration
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  SPEAKER_00: that will dissolve heaven and earth,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I'm not sure why that would invalidate global warming.
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  SPEAKER_00: It would seem to confirm it,
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  SPEAKER_00: in fact,
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  SPEAKER_00: since Peter says that the globe will most certainly warm,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I'm not sure how it would invalidate the destruction of humanity through
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  SPEAKER_00: a robot army.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's also a description of the return of Jesus in 1 Thessalonians 4 where we read
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  SPEAKER_00: about a trumpet and a shout and such like.
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  SPEAKER_00: But again,
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  SPEAKER_00: I myself have enough imagination to conceive
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  SPEAKER_00: of how Paul's description could be fulfilled literally,
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  SPEAKER_00: word for word,
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  SPEAKER_00: after humans make the planet uninhabitable,
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  SPEAKER_00: at least for human life, whether through Carbon emissions or designing deadly AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: There are other biblical passages that could be considered,
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  SPEAKER_00: such as at the end of the book of Revelation,
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  SPEAKER_00: but it is difficult to know how far to press the details of passages
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  SPEAKER_00: that might well be symbolic.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's the problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: For any biblical interpretation addressing events or ideas about
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  SPEAKER_00: which we have no knowledge outside Scripture,
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  SPEAKER_00: how literally do we take the descriptions?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the Bible likes to speak in symbolic languages.
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  SPEAKER_00: That should be clear enough from the Gospels where Jesus enjoyed teaching and parables.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we should remember that these parables gave his listeners fits, including his disciples.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was entirely the point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus adopted Isaiah's mission as his own.
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  SPEAKER_00: When he explained to his disciples, quote,
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  SPEAKER_00: Matthew 13, 13,
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  SPEAKER_00: the reason I speak to them in parables is that seeing they do not perceive
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  SPEAKER_00: and hearing they do not listen, nor do they understand.
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  SPEAKER_00: We should also remember how common it was for very religious Jews
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  SPEAKER_00: who encountered Jesus and To insist that he, Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: could not be the fulfillment of the prophecies
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  SPEAKER_00: because they interpreted those prophecies in a way that excluded someone like Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, the Messiah would not die on a Roman cross because the Messiah was a warrior.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do we know the Messiah is a warrior?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because the prophecies say it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Psalm 2,
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  SPEAKER_00: you shall break the nations with a rod of iron and dash them in pieces like
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  SPEAKER_00: a potter's vessel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Isaiah 11,
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  SPEAKER_00: he shall strike the earth with the rod of his mouth and with the breath
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  SPEAKER_00: of his lips he shall kill the wicked.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then think about all those times in the Jewish scriptures that the Messiah,
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  SPEAKER_00: the coming king, is said to be the son of David or even the new David.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if we know anything about David, it's that he was a warrior.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, you're going to tell me that I'm misinterpreting these passages,
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  SPEAKER_00: but that is exactly the point.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everyone misinterpreted them until they saw their fulfillment.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were unable to interpret them correctly until they saw Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he completely blew a hole through the way they thought it was going to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Too often we are like Amelia Bedelia insisting on a literal interpretation of things
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  SPEAKER_00: that we cannot possibly know about.
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  SPEAKER_00: Things like heaven and hell.
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  SPEAKER_00: What will these realities be like?
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  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
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  SPEAKER_00: But I am pretty sure that God has little interest
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  SPEAKER_00: in making sure we right now understand the details of heaven and hell.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so also for the end of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: If every religious leader completely whiffed on their interpretation of
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  SPEAKER_00: the first advent of the Messiah,
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  SPEAKER_00: what would make us confident in our interpretation of the second advent of
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  SPEAKER_00: the Messiah?
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  SPEAKER_00: Should we not take the lesson and be more open and uncertain about how it will go?
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  SPEAKER_00: Back to robot armies.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's look on the bright side.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the human race is extinct in a few years, that would solve some problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: For all my life,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I remember hearing about this problem in middle school,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have been concerned about the national debt, which now exceeds $40 trillion.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the richest man in the history of the world gave his entire fortune to pay down
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  SPEAKER_00: the debt,
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  SPEAKER_00: that would take care of around one-fortieth of the debt,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we would owe $39 trillion.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the ten richest people in human history gave all their fortune to pay the debt,
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  SPEAKER_00: That would take care of around three-fortieths of the debt,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we would owe $37 trillion.
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  SPEAKER_00: It seems to me that this is a problem,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I recognize that I'm old school in thinking about such things.
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  SPEAKER_00: One way the debt seems to me problematic is morally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Racking up debt that cannot possibly be repaid is a moral problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: But our decadent society doesn't want to think about such things.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just want our shiny toys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And yes, I see that I am fully implicated in this lust of the flesh that our debt represents.
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  SPEAKER_00: But besides the moral problem, it also seems like a catastrophe waiting to happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: Nations that accumulate massive and unpayable debt always experience very real problems.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I wonder when those problems will start for America.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the robot army will make sure that the bill never comes due.
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  SPEAKER_00: For many years,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have also been concerned about the direction of the country and what kind
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  SPEAKER_00: of world my children will inherit.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the AI apocalypse makes such concerns obsolete.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a hard time getting worked up over the possibility
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  SPEAKER_00: that machines will kill us all in a few years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a hard time getting worked up over death at all.
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's in part because, as I said, death is guaranteed to all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: But also because I've tried to convince myself to believe that the Apostle Paul was right.
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  SPEAKER_00: To live is Christ and to die is gain.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know, I know, death is an enemy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I do sometimes feel sorry for people who didn't get to carry out their plans for this life.
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  SPEAKER_00: My own parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: Worked as pharmacists up until they were about 70,
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  SPEAKER_00: and then their plan was to spend their 70s traveling and visiting grandkids
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  SPEAKER_00: and enjoying their golden years after a lifetime of work.
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  SPEAKER_00: It didn't happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad died at age 71.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it's not my dad I feel sorry for,
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  SPEAKER_00: but his widow,
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  SPEAKER_00: who is spending these years Without the man to whom she was married
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  SPEAKER_00: for five decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: If we believe the New Testament, we must affirm that the one who has died has experienced gain.
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  SPEAKER_00: The gain of being with Christ.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not a bad consolation prize for an earlier than expected death.
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  SPEAKER_00: In the Good Shepherd Discourse in the Gospel of John,
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus says, among other things, What does this mean, this more abundant life?
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember that Jesus has already told some people in the same Gospel that
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  SPEAKER_00: Verily, verily,
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  SPEAKER_00: I say unto you,
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  SPEAKER_00: he that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me hath everlasting life
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  SPEAKER_00: and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life.
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  SPEAKER_00: For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's John chapter 5 verses 24 and 26.
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  SPEAKER_00: According to this passage in John 5, the Son has life in himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Meaning what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Part of what it means, I think, is that death can have no hold on him.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember what Peter said on the day of Pentecost,
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  SPEAKER_00: describing Jesus as the one whom God hath raised up,
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  SPEAKER_00: having loosed the pains of death,
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  SPEAKER_00: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it, Acts 2.24.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus could not be held by death because he has life in himself,
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  SPEAKER_00: and he distributes that life to others.
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  SPEAKER_00: Those who believe in Jesus have such abundant life that they cannot be held by death either.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we can nod along with the author of Hebrews when he writes,
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  SPEAKER_00: That's Hebrews 2, verses 14 and 15.
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  SPEAKER_00: Need have no fear of death because we have the abundant life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Note that I am disagreeing with one way of understanding John 10.10 about
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  SPEAKER_00: the abundant life,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this interpretation seems to me encapsulated in The New Living Translation
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  SPEAKER_00: of this passage,
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  SPEAKER_00: which has Jesus say, my purpose is to give them a rich and satisfying life.
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  SPEAKER_00: A rich and satisfying life?
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  SPEAKER_00: What did the translators here think they were saying?
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  SPEAKER_00: It reminds me of the people posting pictures of themselves relaxing on a beach.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that what Jesus came to give us?
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  SPEAKER_00: The question answers itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Remember that in the very next chapter,
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  SPEAKER_00: in John 11,
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  SPEAKER_00: we have the story of Lazarus,
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  SPEAKER_00: one who believed in Jesus and did not have a rich and satisfying life in
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  SPEAKER_00: the way we usually think about that phrase.
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  SPEAKER_00: He died.
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  SPEAKER_00: But he is also an example of one who experienced the more abundant life
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  SPEAKER_00: that Jesus promised, so abundant it could not be constrained by death.
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  SPEAKER_00: Another problem that the AI apocalypse will solve, if it comes, is sin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Here I think about the beginning of Genesis 6, the passage right before the flood account.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's an odd passage about sons of God and daughters of men and Nephilim.
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  SPEAKER_00: And immediately after that weirdness,
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  SPEAKER_00: the text says,
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  SPEAKER_00: and God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth and
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  SPEAKER_00: that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure if that means that what the sons of God did was sinful or whether
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  SPEAKER_00: the Nephilim in this passage are wicked.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe the text is very ambiguous about such things.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the part I want to emphasize is verse 3.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Lord said,
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  SPEAKER_00: My spirit shall not always strive with man,
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  SPEAKER_00: for that he is also flesh, yet his days shall be 120 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, this passage is debated.
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  SPEAKER_00: What does the 120 years represent?
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  SPEAKER_00: The human lifespan?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or the number of years until the flood?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well,
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  SPEAKER_00: Why will they live much less time?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm not sure,
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  SPEAKER_00: but one effect is that people will be unable to squeeze in so much sin in 120 years
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  SPEAKER_00: as they were able to in 900 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can't help but heap up less guilt.
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  SPEAKER_00: Viewed from this perspective, the shorter lifespan must be a mercy from God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Giving us less time to make fools of ourselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: We might rejoice in the shorter life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know there is more to think about when it comes to life and death.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in my privileged life,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is very rich and very satisfying,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's easy for me to assert that God has not promised us a rich and satisfying life.
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  SPEAKER_00: At least not in this phase of our existence.
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  SPEAKER_00: But all I have to offer you,
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  SPEAKER_00: dear listener,
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  SPEAKER_00: on the threat of the coming war against the machines,
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  SPEAKER_00: is my own angle of vision,
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  SPEAKER_00: the way I think through these matters,
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  SPEAKER_00: attempting to inform my thoughts with scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: With John done,
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  SPEAKER_00: we believers can say that death is not mighty and dreadful
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  SPEAKER_00: because those people like Lazarus,
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  SPEAKER_00: like Jesus,
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  SPEAKER_00: those people supposedly overthrown by death,
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  SPEAKER_00: die not, poor death, nor yet canst thou kill me.
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  SPEAKER_00: We were always going to experience death one way or the other,
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  SPEAKER_00: whether through disease or war or murderous AI.
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  SPEAKER_00: But believers in Jesus can look forward with Paul to what comes on the other side of
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  SPEAKER_00: that death,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is life,
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  SPEAKER_00: abundant life, superabundant life, with the one who has life in himself alone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus has granted us the more abundant life, in the face of which robot armies are powerless.