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Fear Less. · Pass The Rock: Real Talk

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  SPEAKER_00: Alright, what's up, people?
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to PTR Pastor Rock, Real Talk, where we talk about faith, basketball, culture, obviously Jesus, and how to integrate him into our life every day.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm Lawrence.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll be with my boy B D Aka Brian Daly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, my dog?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's going on, L dub?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, living life here in St.
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  SPEAKER_00: Louis, man.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_00: Doing well.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: How about you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Man, beautiful fall day.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: Snow's on the way in uh Pullman in Washington State.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'll I'll take sunny and cold over rainy and drizzly any day, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, cool, man.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_00: So Brian's got a Con A Corcell.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: If you ain't if you don't know about those dogs, those are some big the Italians used to use it when they went to war.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got a Rhodesian ridgeback.
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  SPEAKER_00: African used to herd lions.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dog, when it's rainy, hates to go outside, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Does your dog so you know?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So now we have problems when he needs to go to the bathroom.
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  SPEAKER_02: How about my dog's had some issues this past week with the bathroom, but he likes he likes cold actually.
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  SPEAKER_02: So he'll take rainy and cold.
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  SPEAKER_02: He doesn't like hot, bro.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's kind of old, hairy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So when it gets hot, man, he just he's like, no, I'm good.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'll stay in the house.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's the inverse.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, mine loves the heat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, man, what's really cool, Brian?
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  SPEAKER_00: I figured in the month of October, obviously it's Halloween.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, man, I figure we play, have a little fun with basketball, sports integration of faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: We talk about, hey, scary things about basketball.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I figure we talk about places, people, and situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: So today will be uh games, place.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next week we can talk about people, and then uh the Halloween week we'll talk about situations.
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  SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's go, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So let me just pop off with a prayer and let's jump in.
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  SPEAKER_02: Sounds good.
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  SPEAKER_00: God, we love you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for the time to be with my friend, someone who I love.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was his roommate for years, God.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, man, we've got to really know each other well and got to see him dating, get married, and then so amazing become a dad and having an incredible career.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, bless our conversation, God.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for this friendship.
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  SPEAKER_00: I pray the listeners are inspired in some way, God, and just brings uh us closer to you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Jesus now pray.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, bro.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna ask some questions, though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, man, draw your heart out here.
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  SPEAKER_00: So was there a moment in your basketball career where you ever felt like, man, the moment got too big?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, bro.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: So the first one that popped into my head, uh, I was raised in Seattle area in a suburb called Samamish, right?
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I went from there to JUCO and then to Missouri and then overseas.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the first moment that I felt like, oh Miss might be too big.
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  SPEAKER_02: I I messed up here.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was a junior in high school and it was my first year on varsity.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_02: And uh the year before uh we went to state, we had kind of a big program, so there's a lot of people in the crowd.
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  SPEAKER_02: First varsity game, and I kind of got my bounce.
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  SPEAKER_02: I started dunking like pretty good summer sophomore year.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, warm-up dunks are the best, bro.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, there's a crowd, it's before the game, your legs are feeling juicy.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm like, man, I'm gonna get me some dunks, you know.
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  SPEAKER_02: Got the students are in there, student section.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I go up, I go up, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: I go one hand, I'm just like boom! First game, varsity warm-ups.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_02: Well, the refs had just come out of the locker room, and so at that time it was illegal to touch the rim in warm-ups.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you weren't allowed to do that.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: So I went up and dunked.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: He saw it, he came right up to me, and he's like, What number are you?
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: I go, I'm number 24.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, All right, just want to check because you're gonna get a technical, I'm gonna put it in the scorebook.
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  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, it's I was like, it's my first varsity game.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, you can you I'll get it.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: And so he walked all the way to the scores table.
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  SPEAKER_02: He reported the technical, he's they started to write my name, and then he stopped them.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Did you learn your lesson?
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, thank you.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, thank you, guy.
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  SPEAKER_02: But um, but man, obviously the uh the atmosphere, right?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, okay, it's the the hoop's gonna be 10 feet no matter what, the court's the same dimensions no matter what, but going into college, playing at Mazoo, going to some of these schools, the crowd is so loud.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: It's like just energy, you feel it, you know, on top of you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So Baylor's crowd was really loud, um, Texas AM's crowd was really loud.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um Oklahoma State had this kind of old gym, and you walk in behind the bleachers and they're just yelling at you.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I remember at Indiana at Assembly Hall, it was like kind of felt like a church building.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: And we go out, we're going to warm-ups.
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  SPEAKER_02: I look over Larry Birds in the front row.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Larry Legends in the house, you know.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_02: So um, but I think in in Allen Fieldhouse with KU, but I think the moment my my senior year, I started against Kansas, our last game in our regular season at our place.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so that was a moment where it was like trying not to think about the levity of the moment.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: Not I don't know if it's levity, but the the uh heaviness or the um importance of the moment, or you know, try not to go too deep into that, try to just play basketball, um, but it definitely was a challenge.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was on national TV, they're ranked number six in the nation.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna guard Keith Langford.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that was a moment that I had to wrestle with fear, with um nervousness and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's always a healthy amount of nervousness, but that was like, okay, how am I gonna do this?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, no, and we'll we'll explore that a little bit later in the conversation, but thanks for sharing that.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_00: I remember I asked Jason Horton where was the toughest place to play, and he mentioned KU, and he said you can feel the floor shake.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Have you have you ever experienced that where you could feel the floor in an arena shake?
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  SPEAKER_02: Bro, funny enough, I feel like every court has its not like real soul, but it's got like a personality to it.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so it it sometimes KU is like that for sure, but I remember in junior college in um the Northwest, there was this court called Olympic, and they had their students around the baseline, like on the hoop, and so literally you're shooting free throws and you can see the hoop shaking.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: You're like, come on, man.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: Right, that's right.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so yeah, but that but Jace is right.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Alan Fieldhouse is is one of the most amazing, you know, gyms there is, so for sure, you can feel that.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I just thought about this.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: So you let it out the bag a month ago.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: I've known you for 20 years, you never told me this.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: But you played against LeBron James in high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, did that bring up anything?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh snap, we're about to play arguably one of the best high school players at the time in the top rank.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did that bring anything?
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  SPEAKER_02: So that didn't because he wasn't LeBron yet, and he wasn't on Sports Illustrated yet, like that happened two weeks later.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_02: They were talking about him, but there's no social media.
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  SPEAKER_02: But the name of his team did, which was Oakland Soldiers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So there's like certain teams at that time.
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  SPEAKER_02: The big three were like DC Assault, really crazy, Oakland Soldiers, and the Atlantic, Atlanta Celtics.
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  SPEAKER_02: Those three programs were insane.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like people would come just for their warmups.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we knew we're playing Oakland Soldiers.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, all right, it's gonna be it's gonna be legit, it's gonna be tough.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I didn't know LeBron like that.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they all they all ball, they're all good.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, LeBron.
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  SPEAKER_00: Do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you're like, oh snap.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, yeah, we and we had a couple guys, you know.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: You you get a couple guys, you're like, all right, let our guys go, you know, but they're yeah, free throw line dunks, all that stuff type of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right, so you mentioned Indiana earlier about man, a place that was pretty intense.
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  SPEAKER_00: So would you say that was probably one of the most hostile games you've ever been a part of?
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  SPEAKER_00: Or can you tell us a story of like, man, just a hostility in a game?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, hostility in a game is probably coaching.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I was coaching for Mike Anderson.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: This is probably 2007, and we went to Oklahoma State.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's called Iba Arena.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so when you walk in there, it's this old arena, it just goes straight up on the sides, it just feels like it goes up forever.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_02: They were loud, still water Oklahoma, great fans.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: We're losing the whole game, and then Mike Anderson's system was 40 minutes of hell, and it would just a ball game could just turn.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so we were kind of losing the whole game, and then the press just clicked, and we went on like a 24-2 run.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa, to end the game.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_02: And um, as we left, like I was like, oh man, we're gonna get hit with some stuff.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like the words, you know, the words coming out coming from the fans are not good.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: You're just you're just kind of like, let us get off, get off the floor, get in the locker room, get our stuff, and get out of here.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_02: Get on the plane and go home.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that atmosphere, like leaving that gym.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_02: It was awesome on the road.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: The road wins are the best.
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  SPEAKER_02: But that, yeah, that was one moment.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then I played in a prison.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um so okay, I didn't know that.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I didn't.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: I never told you that.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think so.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: So you got stories that you just got tucked.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: You played in a prison.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, you know, I'm I'm long-winded, so I'll try to cut this to the chase, but I played a semi-pro team athletes in action.
• 10:06
  unknown: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So basically, all these guys that have played pro or just gotten out of college, and we played uh, we would play teams and then share a testimony in halftime.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: So we were in Ohio, we went to some state penitentiary in Ohio.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: And so we're, I got like one picture, but we got these bright blue uniforms, and they're like, you can't take anything in there.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: You you can't take your change of clothes or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_02: So we're all cold.
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  SPEAKER_02: We got our uniforms on in the parking lot.
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  SPEAKER_02: Walk in, first door closes, boom.
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  SPEAKER_02: Walk in, second door closes, boom.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: And we're like, you know, we're just amongst the people, yeah.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_02: And so going to the gym, bunch of dudes hooping, a bunch of inmates.
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  SPEAKER_02: Their best player was um had a full ride to uh Michigan, but got arrested uh for murder.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: So we're like, okay, so the players are inmates, scorekeepers' inmates, officials' inmates.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_02: And it was awesome.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they played, they're playing like it was game seven of the NBA finals.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_02: But the first, like, what kind of made us all nervous at first was this alarm went off, and then the fan the the uh bleachers filled up.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_02: So you got like thousands of dudes in there and like two security guards.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: So we so we're doing stretches, and we're like, do that stretch.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Do the stretch.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, yeah.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, but then you start playing, and you know, it's hoops.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, at first it was a little, it was for sure different.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, real quick.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll put myself in this situation where you were talking.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be tempted, like, I don't know if we should win this game.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then it made me think about longest yard.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know that movie where Adam Silver goes and play against the guys, and it's super visible, hard files.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Was it like that?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Really hard files or bro.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I wasn't gonna tell this part, but there's another point guard, um, and he started that game, and I I was I was pissed because I want to start the game, and I wasn't starting, so I was on the bench, I was kind of pissed.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_02: So that point guard, great dude, but he got kind of nervous and they started eating him up, um, taking the ball from him and stealing from him.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: So I came in and on the first play, um, I fouled someone.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they don't always call a foul, so I fouled someone on a layup, they didn't call it, so all the crowds are boo I get the rebound, go down, go to lay it up.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: They call a foul and I made it.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_02: So I was like, they're mad at me down here.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Get the and one, they're really mad.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then that kind of broke the ice for me, though.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, here we go.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but our game, we were up, we we ended up taking the lead and we were up most of the game, and so we won by 15 or 20.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: But they said the year before the inmates won on a game winner from half court.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: What?
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: And they all crashed the floor and stuff.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: Oh so it was cool, man.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: I I would love to go back and do it again.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: They played, they just played hard, they played hungry.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was like championship to them.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: So hey, that's the song.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was cool.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool that you guys did that.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to whatever program does that for the inmates uh to give them a sense of competition, fun, and meeting some people.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: So that's awesome, bro.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: So, man, you know what?
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Here at PTR, we try to sports integration, right?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like how God uses sports, basketball, we're talking about specifically right now, to teach us incredible lessons or help us to grow.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to talk about fear.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, what does fear reveal about our character or belief system?
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now, let me clarify belief system.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we act out what we believe, good or bad.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: Not just religious belief, but if I feel like, hey, I'm the best basketball player in the world, well, I'm gonna act that out.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: But but each situation will will create opportunities to reveal something in us.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: So once again, sorry, what does so what what does fear reveal about our character or belief system?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's a great question, and I think it might be one of the most misunderstood topics in the Bible, um, because it can be misunderstood that people think fear is a bad thing, um, and or that it's always uh always a bad thing or always a good thing.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: But one of the guys that study the Bible with me, named David Cunningham, the one of the first things he taught me was if you can bow before God, you can stand before all men.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think there's fear in that sense of a healthy fear that I'm gonna bow before God, okay, and then I'm gonna be fearless to stand before all men.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think before that, I didn't really have a healthy fear of God.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was fearful of men in different situations, fearful of people.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so that that kind of challenged me to have a different perspective.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, one of the ways would be like death, you know.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Before becoming a Christian, I had great fears of death.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: And as I read more about the Bible, and like right now, I'm studying out heaven, which is amazing, um, an amazing topic to study out, whether it's uh heaven or um Armageddon, um, things like that, I see that like okay, death is uh in a lot of ways a graduation to eternity.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: And so I remember before I had my faith in certain situations when I was fearing either be you know, getting in trouble or beating up or dying, I would pray, yo, please God, please don't let this happen.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: But as I've found my faith, there's a different, you know, there's a different element.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't fear death like I used to.
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  SPEAKER_02: I really see that with Paul.
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  SPEAKER_02: I see that with the disciples.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_02: I see, you know, Paul to um to live as Christ, to die as gain.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think I think uh that's the biggest change in my thought process towards fear is having a healthy fear of God, but being fearless on this earth.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing that because I usually associate fear as an unhealthy thing.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm afraid of something, there's something wrong or unhealthy.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: But you're saying hey, fear can actually be a good thing as well.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's a part of it.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean you mentioned death, and that's a pretty big thing.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think if if everyone was honest, especially me before I became a Christian, I didn't want to think about death.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be around it.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: So so yeah, I feel like that's like a supernatural transition there, Brian.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: To to be fearful of death and not to be afraid of it, and almost see it as I say that again, as a gateway, a transition to heaven?
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: What did you how did you say that?
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: Almost like like a graduation.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that's a whole different belief system.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: Was it hard?
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I guess what helped you completely have this upside down change where something that's scary, you almost see it as a blessing.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: See it as this is the next step to what I really want to get to.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_00: So explain that.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Can you talk about that, please?
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think the first thing was learning healthy fear of God, and uh my character, bro, was very much getting away with things.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_02: I got away with things, um, I broke laws, I lied a lot, had a double life, and so even studying the Bible, man, I I studied out sin.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's a Bible study defining sin, and then it was clear like I have a lot of sin in my life.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: This area, this area, this area.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_02: And so I kind of was on my way home from that study, and I was like, all right, God, I I see I've I've got to kill my sin, so I'm just gonna go out one more night, and that was really my character.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it revealed my character of like, okay, God, I see you're saying I need to leave my sin, but uh surely not that big a deal, right?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: One more night.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: So I went out, um, I was working, and my manager left for her break, and it was a music store, CD shop, and I took like video games, um, CDs, video games, DVDs, speakers, headphones, and that was gonna be my last run.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I had done that a lot, and I had never been caught.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so as I'm leaving with the merchandise, my boss comes back in the store, and she's like, Oh, I forgot something.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: And then she's like, What are you doing?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so I was like, Oh, so I threw it in my car or whatever, and then I got called in, and um I felt like God allowed that to happen to teach me that He has authority and I need to be accountable and I need to deal with my character of trying to get away with things.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, and so I had to take all the stuff back.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I had to bring it in front of the entire staff, and then they told me they thought about pressing charges, but since I was leaving the next week, that they wouldn't.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but you know how you remember quotes.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_02: I remember my manager.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: Here's a quote he said he goes, I know people steal from our store, but I didn't think it would be you.
• 20:06
  unknown: Ouch.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Ouch!
• 20:09
  unknown: Ouch.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: And so, bro, so even though you know I was in a lot of sin, my heart was numb.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I cried for the first time in a long time after that on my way home, and I needed that, I needed to be faced with how ugly my sin was, and that created a healthy fear of you know, God has authority.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, bro.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was our last episode or two episodes ago, we talked about how you gotta give people space to feel what they need to feel.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: You talk you shared a story about like hoops, like you got cut for the team or something happened, your dad didn't rescue you, he let you feel that pain, and the switch went off.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds like the same thing.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: You had a habit of a way of getting out of the situations where God was like, nah, man, we're gonna sit on this.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: You felt what you needed to feel, and I helped you change.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I guess I guess what you're saying is what I'm putting together in my mind is a lot of times with things that I'm afraid of, I run from.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: I do something to get out of it or change or or do what I can to control.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but fear is an important emotion to I don't want to say embrace, but don't run from it.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever that fear is, let it produce something good in you.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: So if that makes sense.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just thinking out loud.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: Fear can produce good things in you, it's just not all bad or evil.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's right because even as men, our first instinct is run from that emotion.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that, like I remember I was crying and I was like, what if what's happening?
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know, why why am I crying?
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I don't cry, come on, man, I'm cold blooded.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know?
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_02: But there was there was a gem in there.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, man, you're crying because you're embarrassed.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_02: And you're embarrassed because the truth is out.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: And the truth is you're pretty ugly.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: You got a lot of sin.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: And so um, yeah, I think sometimes, you know, you said it, you said a couple episodes back that the quarterback that um cursed in his message, and then he said, Hey, that's not me.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_02: And you're like, Well, that was you, you know, that that is you.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I think sometimes it's being honest about our sinful nature, you know, and we can't fear being honest about our sinful nature.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's dope, man.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it made me think one of my boys, we have this saying like, like we gotta go into the swamp or do work in the shadows, meaning there's things inside of us that we really don't want to talk about.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we really don't want to do the work of yeah, just being honest, but that's where some important things happen.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: So to your point, like yeah, talking about things that bring us shame.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that's my question to you.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: What are some things that an athlete tries to avoid and is afraid of dealing with in their life?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: What are some things an athlete tries to avoid and is afraid dealing with in their life?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's a good question.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think um one of the challenges for athletes and coaches is to have contentment with their identity as a man of faith.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: I think that because if you if you're wrapped up in your identity as a performer, as an athlete, that is um you're working towards that every day.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: You have your your food, your training, your your performance, everything points to that, and people see that.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: So you can hear encouragement from what people see, but then underneath it all, you can feel empty.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I think coaching's the same way.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, coaching in our our world today is so much pressure on winning.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: You have to win if you're not winning, if you're not getting championships, you're probably gonna get fired.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: And um, as a coach, I think it's even challenging to have your identity and man of faith, and so there's some fear there.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, like a good friend of mine always talk about can you be a great coach and faithful and not win?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like do the quotes still mean something from the coaches that don't win?
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: But they're great men of God.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because most of the quotes we value are that coach wins.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and they're a Christian.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, so so I think that's I think that's a fear.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's a fear is to have contentment in that in that identity of faith and not in performance.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Bro, that's that's good.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because if I'm being fully honest, if there was a coach that didn't have a good winning record, it'd be harder for me to see him as or her as credible.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: And in me, there's a a level of like, hey, what level are you on?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: The lower the level, the less credible.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: You're coaching in the NBA or Olympics, what you say is pure gold.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So no, I appreciate that.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_00: There is some truth to that.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Your identity dictates who you are.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: One thing I can think of, like, bro, I'm so glad I'm not in this generation because everything's like on media and people record stuff.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'd be so afraid of like who do I tell or talk about?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: Some very personal things.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Especially if you're like well known in high school, super popular on campus, or someone that's in the media all the time.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I could see that being a real fear, like, who do I trust?
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think there's I think there's a um unhealthy uh exchange where it's like um well at certain levels, like when you get to college and pro, it's like, all right, if if I give you this, what are you gonna give me?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, um I'll give you my time, but what am I gonna get back for that?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I'll do this for you, but what am I gonna get?
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_02: But the Christian faith is the opposite.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's like, hey, let me let me serve you.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: You don't need to give me anything.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know, um, I think that's where I think where men and women of faith can really have a big impact where we expect nothing from successful athletes and coaches.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: Just just friendship and brotherhood.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hey, that's another topic for another day.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, how to be the best teammate coach or leader, you know?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I love that.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so can you teach us?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: And for those that are tuning for the first time, Brian's already got a master's from Azoo, but he's getting another master's right now from Baylor University.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I don't know the exact title, but he's about to be a duo master guy, man.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Dual master.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: A master master.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: Get through these these next eight weeks, and I'll be there grind.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so bro, how do I you know see I'm even want to say how do successful people manage their fears?
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_00: But even what you described, the temptation America's successful means hey, I win, I'm at this level.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: So so I guess how does someone what is someone that's doing well managing their fears look like spiritually?
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_02: That is a great question.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, what does someone doing well managing their fears look like spiritually?
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, the the first scripture when we I knew we were gonna talk about fear, the one that popped up to me is in 1 John 4 18.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_02: And Bible says there's no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because fear has to do with punishment.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_02: The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_02: So there's no fear in love, perfect love drives out fear.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I think what it looks like, I just speak for myself.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: For me, it looks like I'm not going to fear the things of this world.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, Elle's been in um corporate world and athletics, he's been in ministry.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'm in ministry, I've been in the corporate world, I've coached.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: There are spiritual powers or forces that try to make us fear people.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like a boss or a boss's boss, that they have power and money, so they should be feared.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_02: The truth is, we're all the same, there's nothing to fear, right?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_02: You walk into a room, you're a man of faith, a woman of faith, then God's gonna use you.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: You're you're just as valuable.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I think that's part of part of that is like I'm not gonna let anyone look down on me because of my place in a corporate setting.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a man of faith, and I fear God, and I don't fear people.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I think that's big is having our our those worldly fears be driven out by our love for God.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: And then I think I think the secret power of athletes and coaches of faith is that we have contentment in our sport experience.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_02: In other words, we're hungry, we're passionate, but we have contentment.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_02: And I think the opposite is we're always striving to improve our identity, to be better, to win more, to do more, more records, so we feel better.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_02: And we don't have any contentment in who God's created us.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: And that translates to a miserable life, you know.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_02: So and I will say this for me, it's it's easier said than done.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I feel the tug and competitive spirit to win, I want to win everything.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I coach in youth youth sports, I want to win.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I think this the secret is well, I got contentment.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna pour out myself to serve these kids in our community.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: But at the end of the day, I got contentment with God.
• 30:55
  unknown: Wow.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say just to piggyback on the last part?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's a difference probably in coaching for wins and coaching because you really love the player and want to see them be their best version.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess here's the question then will you get the best out of an athlete without love?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_02: You get the best out of an athlete without love.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think that I don't know if you can get the best out of the athlete.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think you can get great things still out of the athlete if you're motivating with fear or with uh shame, unfortunately.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: But I think what happens is you lose the relationship.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_02: So what good is it what good is it to coach and raise someone up if they don't want to even invite you to their wedding?
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's like if they don't if they don't even want to talk to you after, you know, if they don't want a relationship, then what's the point?
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I think okay, I'm going off now, but I think here's a common thing I see in our program.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_02: We've read all these books on all these coaches.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of coaches I would say they're not Christian, they motivate with fear, they motivate with guilt, they're angry, they're tough on their guys, and then at the end of their life, they want to be best friends with their guys.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_02: And the players are like, we didn't even know they felt like this, we didn't even know they loved us, we didn't know they cared for us.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so our job with coaches is we got to find a way that you can do both.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: You can keep them on an edge, but they know you love them in the present time, not when you're on your deathbed.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, that's a challenge, bro.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say, I love that.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Would you say inside of every athlete longs and hopes that they have a great relationship with the coach as well?
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: That hey, they want to play hard, be successful, but really inside, if they're really vulnerable, they want to be close to their coach.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think so.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: I think I think so.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: If it's between the two, not being close or being close, I yeah, I do.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: I think people want to look back and have those connections.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they want those connections during and they want to look back and know they had real connections.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: I can't help but keep looking at the scripture that you quoted.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: Fear has to do with punishment.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I can't help but think, yeah, the supreme way to get the best out of the player, and obviously fear has its place, but man, if there is perfect love, man, it you can really maximize what's best out of that human.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: And to your point, which the birth of PTR really was inspired by James Naismith.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: And the and I love our last conversations in the past where we identify that really the soul of basketball is to really win souls.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's really why it was created.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: So many coaches and athletes miss the mark, miss the the supreme, the the pinnacle experience.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: Only focusing on winning when it's really man, relationships, God, and overcoming fears.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's well put because if you hear a lot of people talking interviews about what they miss, like I know what I'm what I miss, the games and specific accolades for our team is up, like you you think about those things, you remember those things, you miss that.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_02: But then what's always mentioned is the locker room.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, nothing like the locker room, man.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and and so it's like, what are you gonna do with those locker room moments?
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, the bus rides, the plane rides, all that.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I would have had that experience as D1.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure that was on a whole nother level, especially going to Oklahoma State, getting that win.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: I bet that ride on the bus and the plane was just awesome.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: It's the best, pretty epic.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so switch gears.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: My last question here, bro.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: LeBron Jordan debate here on something specific relationships.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, here we're going.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: So just and to those listening, I'm not hey, I'm not either.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just one explore leadership types.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: We'll say Jordan Kobe in the same boat because they both said the same thing, and now we know Mike mentored Kobe.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And the whole idea was hey, I'll put you through, in a sense, hell now, because if we win a championship, we'll share that bond in the end, and that'll bond us for life.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: But I think LeBron's leadership has been like somehow, whatever team he's on, these guys seem to be pretty close.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have a great relationship.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: They may not have won as many championships, yep, but they seem like during and after they still have that bond.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess which is the better leadership?
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one, it's a great question, and two, I think I'm gonna bounce it back to you, man.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: You were really good at asking questions, but I'm gonna ask you to answer it first, and then I'll answer after you.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_00: You ain't flick, man.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_00: You're just trying to get some time to think about it.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: No, I know I know my answer.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_02: I know my answer.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'm just having a little fun.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if we go off of what we just talked about, like if you can max like hey, if a coach gets a lot of his player, but then is not at his wedding, doesn't want to be involved in him raising his kids, you missed out.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And sadly, all respect to MJ, he was my hero growing up.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um you watched The Last Dance, and the part that was sad.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: Many players didn't like his own teammates in like her.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_02: I know, man.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: There's a level of like, let's get this done, we gotta win, but man, to your point, at what cost?
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: What did you lose because of that?
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: So, but then you look, I think of LeBron, and like, man, he's taking these ragtag guys in the sense the Knicks we don't want J.R.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Smith or Schumper, and he took them and like gave them a role and elevated them.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, man, I I honestly I would rather be LeBron's teammate for that aspect of leadership.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I totally agree.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: Leader LeBron.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I totally agree from a relationship standpoint, which I can't believe I'm saying that, but I agree.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_02: The same thing.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I love the documentary, but that definitely stuck out, and that was that was his model, and it worked uh for the success of his team.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_02: But I think with yeah, you know, at the same time you got LeBron, he's having like a golf tournament overseas, and all the guys from the team show up.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's something to be said about that.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it'll be interesting this year because I mean this guy's some some of these players are 18, 19, and he's 40, 41, 42.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_02: So that's several generations.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I wonder how it's you know, how he's gonna do that this year.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_02: That'll be fun to watch.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm with you.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'd say that.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: Special guy, man, relationship.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, yeah.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: Say amen.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: Perfect love drives out fear.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I can close us out with a prayer this time.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and then and then we got the outro video.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: We got the outro all queued up.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: Lord willing.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: All right, let's pray.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_02: Uh God, thank you for today.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for a chance to connect with Elle and uh just making time in our schedules to connect on you and on sports.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_02: And uh thank you for fear.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know that um perfect love drives out fear, God, that we have a healthy, reverent fear of you because um you are the Alpha and the Omega, you are our Heavenly Father, and um we respect and uh we understand our role beneath you.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_02: And we're grateful for that, God.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: And we thank you for Jesus living the sinless life and having uh an advocate for us, God, one that we can uh be adopted into his inheritance, Father, and and that allows us to not fear death and um to not fear uh earthly things, you know, that like Jesus says can destroy um can't destroy the soul.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so um we have a healthy fear of you, God, and we're grateful not to have a earthly fear of these other things and allow us in our sports, in our connections, whether we're a fan, a coach, a player, um, to have that have a healthy perspective on such things, God.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_02: And uh pray whether we lose or whether we win.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um, we'd keep our edge, but most importantly, keep our faith and uh be anchored by our faith.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_02: And pray you bless Lawrence and his week and all the work that he does, all the work of his hands, and thank you for the dogs you give us, the kids you give us, the wives you give us.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're grateful.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: And uh pray you bless those things.
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  SPEAKER_02: We love you in your son Jesus' name.
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  SPEAKER_02: We pray.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_02: Thanks for joining us on Pass the Rock Real Talk.
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  SPEAKER_02: And PTR is brought to you by the Youth Athletic Recreational Development.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's a 501c3 nonprofit in Pullman, Washington.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_02: Any proceeds from anything we do, including uh pasttherock.shop, will go towards our mission for our nonprofit to build a youth sports facility in the Pullman region.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_02: Uh until next time, don't just pass the ball, but pass the rock, and don't just win the game, but win souls.
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  SPEAKER_02: Peace.