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Is Gay Pride Month On Its Way Out? Dr. Aaron Edwards · The Becket Cook Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to the show today. I have a
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  Speaker 1: special guest, Aaron Edwards. He's been on the show a
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  Speaker 1: couple times before, and we're going to be talking about
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  Speaker 1: your favorite subject, pride.
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  Speaker 3: Month.
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  Speaker 1: He wrote an article that is fascinating on his substack.
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  Speaker 1: It's called why Pride is the marketized version of Christian morality. Now,
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  Speaker 1: before get into this episode, I just want to make
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  Speaker 1: this so clear that I have nothing but love for
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  Speaker 1: people who are in that world. There but for the
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  Speaker 1: grace of God go I. God plucked me out of
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  Speaker 1: that world and save me. So I have nothing but love.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking today about the whole ideology surrounding it, so
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  Speaker 1: I just want to make that clear. In the meantime,
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  Speaker 1: please welcome Aaron Edwards. But first award from our sponsor,
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  Speaker 1: Aaron Edwards, thank you for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 3: As always, you're a great guest. I love having you.
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  Speaker 4: On, I love being I love being in Sally, California back.
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  Speaker 4: It's really nice, even though I never get to really
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  Speaker 4: be there, you know, in person, Like I like to
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  Speaker 4: see the sunshine from behind you in that window.
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  Speaker 1: I know, save the the the politics of California. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's quite when you live here for a while or
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  Speaker 1: even for a day. It's kind of hard to understand
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  Speaker 1: why people live anywhere else. It really is, because it's
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  Speaker 1: like right now, it's like seventy two degrees outside and
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  Speaker 1: sunny and gorgeous, and there's like mountains and what.
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  Speaker 4: You need to do that you go to the translation
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  Speaker 4: for me there, like we just thinking Celsius, We're like
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  Speaker 4: seventy two degrees or what even is that?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know what the translation is. It's
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  Speaker 1: it's like a person noting it's like perfect, perfect weather.
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  Speaker 4: Perfect Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, So it's your favorite time of the year,
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  Speaker 1: Pride month. So we are going to talk about your
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  Speaker 1: article and your sub stack called why Pride is the
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  Speaker 1: marketized subversion of Christian morality? And you talk about the
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  Speaker 1: fruit of pride, and first of all, why did you
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  Speaker 1: why did you write this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I've been writing progressively, not in the way
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  Speaker 4: that liberal might be excited about. I've been writing progressively
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  Speaker 4: more about Pride against Pride, and I think it's something
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  Speaker 4: that partly because I think I might have set maybe
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  Speaker 4: I said this one of my previous discussions with you,
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  Speaker 4: but I think that there's this whole thing about the
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  Speaker 4: westpro Baptist Louis Thirou documentary, which I think has this
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  Speaker 4: kind of weird psycho stranglehold on evangelicals, in particular because
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  Speaker 4: when Louis throu was interviewing them and they were like
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  Speaker 4: the God hates fags, et cetera. People most people were like,
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  Speaker 4: oh my goodness. The wins and brigade of evangelicalism was
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  Speaker 4: just kind of like, we want to do anything, but
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  Speaker 4: look like those guys, So like, what did they do? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: they go to Pride. They're really abrasive, They're not particularly pleasant.
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  Speaker 4: I think they were a little bit cultish anyway. I
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  Speaker 4: don't even know if they were entirely Orthodox, but they
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  Speaker 4: are like shared some conservative values and they were on
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  Speaker 4: the front in opposing Pride. Sole we must never do that, then,
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  Speaker 4: I guess we must do the opposite and run in
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  Speaker 4: the other direction. And I think that's been like an
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  Speaker 4: unbelievable win for the enemy in the last twenty odd years.
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  Speaker 4: And it's as we've all been in retreat, Pride's like grown,
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  Speaker 4: and it's grown kind of, you know, ten times, and
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  Speaker 4: it's just become a scargantuan monster that kind of just
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  Speaker 4: keeps growing and taking more ground every year. That was
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  Speaker 4: a especially kind of peak moment around the twenty early
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenties. I just think since then we've probably we
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  Speaker 4: might see it's the things have changed a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: But I think that people have started to realize that
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  Speaker 4: and think we need to push against it. And I
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  Speaker 4: think even when I first wrote a piece three years
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  Speaker 4: ago against it, it was still kind of seen as
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  Speaker 4: quite dangerous territory for an evangelical to do that, to say,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we need to oppose pride. Why do to
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  Speaker 4: repose pride? It's I think it's not coming at you. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you don't need to worry about It's just a social
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  Speaker 4: cultural thing. It's just like, don't you know how how
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  Speaker 4: much oppression these guys have been through, So don't just
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  Speaker 4: let them have their moments only for a month. Et cetera.
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  Speaker 4: And I just realized, no, actually, there's something more insidious
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  Speaker 4: going on here, and it has like tentacles to so
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  Speaker 4: many other areas of life and everything that's going wrong
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  Speaker 4: in Western society. So if we don't challenge it, like
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  Speaker 4: if the people who have the truth they challenge it,
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  Speaker 4: like who's going to Who's going to? So that was
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  Speaker 4: sort of behind speak.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're saying the church needs to to step
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  Speaker 1: up and challenge it. And so you in this piece,
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  Speaker 1: you you go through the public statements that uh that
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  Speaker 1: London Pride promotes on their website, and so what I
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  Speaker 1: want to do and you go and you you quote
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  Speaker 1: the statement and then you give commentary about the statement.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'd like to do is quote each statement
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  Speaker 1: from the London Pride manifesto basically and then have you
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  Speaker 1: talk about what what you talk about in the article,
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  Speaker 1: which is brilliant.
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  Speaker 3: So the first quote is.
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  Speaker 1: June is a time to honor both the struggles and
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  Speaker 1: celebrations that define our lgbt Q plus community.
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  Speaker 4: M yeah, so that one. Yes. So I find it
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  Speaker 4: just interesting that when even just the manner of their
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  Speaker 4: phrasing of speech there, it's just like a very much.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually quite a conservative sounding thing to say, like
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  Speaker 4: June is the time to honor both the struggles and celebration.
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  Speaker 4: It's the kind of thing that you say when you
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  Speaker 4: hear you're proud of your heritage, you want people to
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  Speaker 4: remember some historic, historic feast day or something, and it
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  Speaker 4: has a religious kind of tone to it. So I
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  Speaker 4: think when I hear that, I was reflecting on the
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  Speaker 4: fact that it was like, this is kind of what
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  Speaker 4: we did. This is what Christianity did when we took
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  Speaker 4: over pagan festivals. We sort of sacrilezed them, or we
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  Speaker 4: adapt them and annex them for our own ends, but
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  Speaker 4: we do them for the purposes of the truth, for
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  Speaker 4: the purpose of bridge building and showing Christ's dominion. So
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  Speaker 4: I think it's just this perverse undoing of that, and
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  Speaker 4: that's kind of what I keep, you know, reflecting around
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  Speaker 4: the last few years, especially how the way in which
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  Speaker 4: Pride is doing that. It's literally revert Christian norms, reversing
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  Speaker 4: Christian holiness in so many ways, and in a way
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  Speaker 4: that's quite different to just the standard sense of yeah,
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  Speaker 4: people see them all the time, et cetera, but this
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  Speaker 4: is different. It's like a deliberate undermining of the kind
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  Speaker 4: of way that we approach feast days in our society,
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  Speaker 4: you know, per se and the scene is with that
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  Speaker 4: particular religious vehelmence. And I think I use the example
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  Speaker 4: of that tweet from Pride. I think it's Pride UK
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  Speaker 4: and it got like two million views at the time
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  Speaker 4: of the kind of rainbow the logos and the rainbow
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  Speaker 4: logos on one side of like IBM and Apple when
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  Speaker 4: they did their like Pride month thing, and then this
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  Speaker 4: was last year twenty twenty four. Now in twenty twenty five, Look,
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  Speaker 4: you've gone back to your standard logo. What's that about? Guys?
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  Speaker 4: We see you, we're judging you, we want to bring
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  Speaker 4: you into public shame. It's almost a kind of Spanish inquisition,
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  Speaker 4: but with Pride kind of running the show, like they
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  Speaker 4: just literally take over the world, it would seem for
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  Speaker 4: that month, or they want to, and they when they
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  Speaker 4: when it starts to weigh and they just can't even
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  Speaker 4: you know, they can't take it. They need to kind
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  Speaker 4: of try to claw back that power. So it just
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  Speaker 4: becomes this very powerfully politicized and religious way of observing time,
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  Speaker 4: which I think again is a Christian verity really to
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  Speaker 4: kind of mark the calendar with the particularities of our
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  Speaker 4: faith as taking dominion in the world.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this short break.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you say that Pride Month comes but once a year,
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  Speaker 1: but in another sense, it is always with us.
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  Speaker 4: What do you mean by that, Yeah, because it's not
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  Speaker 4: like the rest of the year. You know, LGBTs are
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  Speaker 4: not like they'rehidden in their closets and they're in their
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  Speaker 4: catacombs and then they have to come out once a year, like, oh, look,
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  Speaker 4: the gay people are bad. Look at this. They look
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  Speaker 4: at all the color. It was dark and gray and
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  Speaker 4: heteronormative for eleven months and now there's like beautiful color. No,
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  Speaker 4: they're there all the time. And if you say anything
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  Speaker 4: about against LGBT, or if you speak too strongly on
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  Speaker 4: this issue, even in Christian context that might claim to
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  Speaker 4: be convative, you'll still get castigated. It doesn't matter what
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  Speaker 4: time of view it is. The virus is still there
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  Speaker 4: affecting everyone's minds and their hearts, so that they end up,
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  Speaker 4: you know, not being able to speak the truth, even
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  Speaker 4: in love. But because I think to do so, we
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  Speaker 4: will now be seen as you know, you're a terrible bigot,
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  Speaker 4: et cetera. The various of name calling we've been called,
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  Speaker 4: We've been have phown at us for so long on
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  Speaker 4: these issues. So I think it's just like I think
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  Speaker 4: I say in the article, it's a new morality that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of come upon us. This is this is the baseline. Now,
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  Speaker 4: this is how you're supposed to think, and you're not
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  Speaker 4: allowed to question it. And that's there's just different gradients
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  Speaker 4: of that. There'll be some listening to us to go, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: of course we don't. We're not Propride, like why would
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  Speaker 4: we be like, But you might be pro some other
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  Speaker 4: variant which really is on the same trajectory to or
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  Speaker 4: the same sort of downstream from what Pride has achieved
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  Speaker 4: in its kind of propaganda and the culture, so that
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to speak against it too strongly because
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  Speaker 4: you know that you don't want to seem judgmental or parasaic.
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  Speaker 4: And that's the worst thing in then in your kind
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  Speaker 4: of imagination could ever happen to you, which I think
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  Speaker 4: is a mistake. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then and by the way, you lost your job
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  Speaker 1: because of a tweet.
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  Speaker 3: I reread that tweet.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems so innocent, Like can.
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  Speaker 3: You read the tweet that did you say that your job?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. I said, homosexuality is invading the church.
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  Speaker 4: Evangelicals no longer see the severity of this because they're
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  Speaker 4: busy apologizing for their apparently barbaric homophobia, whether or not
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  Speaker 4: it's true. This is a gospel issue, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: because if sin is no longer sin, we no longer
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  Speaker 4: need a savior. It was basically a tweet against evangelical
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  Speaker 4: cowardice really on that issue, but it got interpreted as
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  Speaker 4: this wild, raging, aggressive wester Baptist thing, and I got
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  Speaker 4: aspired within a couple of weeks of a job that
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  Speaker 4: was in seven years.
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  Speaker 1: Not to mention that the job that you're in was
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  Speaker 1: that you were teaching at a Christian college, right.
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  Speaker 4: In Evangelical Bible college college.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, those people should.
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  Speaker 1: So those people at that college, whatever college it is,
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  Speaker 1: should be ashamed of themselves ashamed.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's it's it's absolutely terrible. Yeah. So we do
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  Speaker 4: have an ongoing tribunal which has been going on for
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  Speaker 4: three years, and it will take another year to get
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  Speaker 4: another day in court to go through the appeal. So
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  Speaker 4: it's a long running thing, saga. And in the meantime,
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  Speaker 4: I can't get another academic job because I think if
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  Speaker 4: anyone sees your you know, your resume as well as
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  Speaker 4: you call it in the in the US, it's it's got,
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  Speaker 4: you know, cause disrupt disrepute for an institution. So it's
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  Speaker 4: not very respectable. And we're still in the in the
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  Speaker 4: clutches of Pride in all those bigger higher education institutions.
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  Speaker 4: So really you're kind of in a in a sort
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  Speaker 4: of weird wilderness, which is sort of why I've called
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  Speaker 4: myself a theologian in academic exile, speaking speaking the truth
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  Speaker 4: in my mad John the Baptist, does it like?
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  Speaker 3: Would prove it?
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  Speaker 4: That's right? Is terrible?
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to say the name? But can can you?
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  Speaker 1: Are you allowed to say the name of the college?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, Cliff College? Please? Yeah, we will shame them
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  Speaker 4: and that's fine.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, please? What's called cliff? How do you spell it?
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  Speaker 4: Cliff College? If like it's on the edge of a cliff? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So people, yeah, so people please write to Cliff College and.
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  Speaker 3: Give them your your thoughts on this. Great. Yeah, that
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  Speaker 3: would be wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: So the next quote from the from the London Pride
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  Speaker 1: manifesto is which we're calling the manifesto is quote, we
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  Speaker 1: remember the courage of courage of those who fought for
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  Speaker 1: our rights when the world seemed against them, the activists
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  Speaker 1: who refuse to stay silent, and the countless individuals who
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  Speaker 1: pave the way for the freedoms we celebrate today.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, even re meeting it weird here, just like.
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  Speaker 1: They hit all the right words like courage, silent, like
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  Speaker 1: I won't be silenced, Like, uh, go ahead, So.
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  Speaker 3: What do you say?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like, I mean, I just think it's
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  Speaker 4: funny that, like, we is this this notion that there
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  Speaker 4: was this this rabid, aggressive like homophobia. I think there
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  Speaker 4: were obviously elements of people who like unreasonably hated or
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  Speaker 4: dehumanized gay people. That definitely did happen in some areas
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  Speaker 4: of society. But I think that they now interpret the
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  Speaker 4: basic repudiation of homosexuality as a good moral norm. They
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  Speaker 4: think of that as part of the suffering. So it's
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  Speaker 4: different if you if you're like, I don't know, horrible
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  Speaker 4: aggressive hooligans who go around with clubs that literally beating
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  Speaker 4: up gay people. That's a tiny minority of what was
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  Speaker 4: actually happening in someone I don't know about the US.
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  Speaker 4: In Britain, there were people who did that in like
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  Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, but it was like the kind
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  Speaker 4: of people you wouldn't you would expect that of them.
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  Speaker 4: They were doing all sorts of terrible things that they're
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  Speaker 4: not in any way representative of the norms of society.
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  Speaker 4: But the norms of society still were that homosexuality obviously
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  Speaker 4: isn't good for society, and isn't it isn't a good
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  Speaker 4: thing to pursue, and isn't a good thing to have
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  Speaker 4: right out front, And they'd be like, oh, that's terrible,
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  Speaker 4: how evil of you. You're basically just the same as
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  Speaker 4: smashing me over the head with a you know, with
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  Speaker 4: a baseball bat or something, And no, it's not the same. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: it's very very different to that. You don't need to
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  Speaker 4: claim that you're some great courageous martyr because you weren't
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  Speaker 4: allowed to be outfront and center with your you know,
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  Speaker 4: inmoral degeneracy, showing it to our children and having it
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  Speaker 4: like pumped propaganda into the over the airwaves to everybody.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that's the problem that the kind of fake,
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  Speaker 4: fake martyrdom complex that they have. We've refuse to say
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  Speaker 4: the stay silent. That's kind of again that's part of
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  Speaker 4: that religious posture that even you see in the feast
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  Speaker 4: day celebrations. And why this really is a form of
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  Speaker 4: a deep form of religious idolatry that it is you
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  Speaker 4: can't question. It's a tribe think a kind of you
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  Speaker 4: don't go near this agenda at all, otherwise we'll I
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  Speaker 4: have come for you and you're attacking our sacred ground. Really,
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  Speaker 4: pride has become a kind of religious festival. It's like
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  Speaker 4: going up to some place in India where there's very
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  Speaker 4: sacred ground or sacred traditions that then you can just
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  Speaker 4: walked all over and did whatever you wanted. They'll be
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  Speaker 4: uproar against it because they would they were so sacredly
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  Speaker 4: hold these these cultural traditions. Pride has become like that.
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  Speaker 4: And actually it's the opposite, really, isn't it. Today It's
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  Speaker 4: not that if there were martyrs, it would be people
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  Speaker 4: who are more likely to stand against it, like yourself
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  Speaker 4: or even myself. If you lose your job or if
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  Speaker 4: you are castigated because you're not allowed to be ex gay,
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  Speaker 4: it's not allowed you. You don't get to do that.
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  Speaker 4: And that's something I think that, as I noted the
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  Speaker 4: article Douglas Murray mentioned. Now, I don't. I think maybe
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  Speaker 4: there's a sense in which we probably overly lord Douglas Murray.
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  Speaker 4: Probably there's probably a weird back of our mind thing
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  Speaker 4: as conservatives where we'd probably go, oh, look, well, I'm
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  Speaker 4: not I can't be homophobic because like, Douglas Murray's gay,
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  Speaker 4: and he's like, he says some good stuff, which you
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  Speaker 4: can do, of course, but I was the kind of
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  Speaker 4: thing that's probably part of us would probab just overly
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  Speaker 4: excited about Doug this morning in that sense. But he
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  Speaker 4: is a brilliant writer and brilliant thinker, and he's been
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  Speaker 4: quite bold on speaking against LGBT, even as a it's
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  Speaker 4: a very active homosexual. I think there's a whole other
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  Speaker 4: conversation to have about the conservative right in the US
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  Speaker 4: and in Britain, which is okay with the LGB, but
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  Speaker 4: not the T because it's easy to challenge the T,
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  Speaker 4: but the LGB is like, WHOA, don't go don't go
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  Speaker 4: for that. It's like, okay, but.
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  Speaker 1: I know those did, the the Dave Rubins and the
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  Speaker 1: JK Rowlings of the world. I've talked about this before,
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  Speaker 1: like they they've been so thoroughly indoctrinated in the LGB
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  Speaker 1: part of the that for for the last several decades
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  Speaker 1: that they're completely blind to the fact that that is
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  Speaker 1: just as scandalous as the t Yeah, it's like, it's
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  Speaker 1: like it's a bizarre disconnect.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's really crazy that they don't see it's
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  Speaker 4: on the same convey and as we spoke and we
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  Speaker 4: have our BEEVN episode about feminism is actually also on
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  Speaker 4: the same you know, convey about as feminism anyway, so
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  Speaker 4: you'll also get evangelicals who are like, oh, yeah, LGB
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  Speaker 4: is bad as well, I'm totally with you or not
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: with the I'm against the team against the LGB. But
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: the f that comes silently in the background, No, no, no,
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: don't touch that. It's all of a prudiation of God's
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: moral order and the distinction, the good and glorious and wise,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: distinction between male and female. All of this is downstream
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: from that in one way or another. And so but
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: what Douglas Murray does say, which I think is good
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: in his Madness of Crowds book. I remember the chapter
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: he did or which is called gay I think, which
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: was when he was saying that. Back in the day,
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: it used to be the case where if you're on
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: a documentary and you were blacked out with your voice
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: in a kind of oh, there it is. There, you go,
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: he's doing is he's doing good service? Yeah, one of
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: my countrymen as well, and so I think, yeah, he's.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Back in the day, you'd be on screen blacked out
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: because you were gay, and it's like you can't talk
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: about it too, because you don't want people to know
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: you're gay because they might attack you, or you might
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: be disadvantage in the workplace or something. Many many years ago,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: that would be the case. Maybe I don't even know
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: if that's entirely the case, but there'll be some place
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: in some context where yeah, someone would not want to
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: come out of the closet obviously, and that would be
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: difficult socially, whereas now it'd be more like coming out
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: of the closet is more like coming out of the
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: closet properly against strongly against prides and saying this is
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: just wrong, this shouldn't be happening. There's literally none of
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: this should be happening. This is bad of a society.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: Maybe you can have your like freedom to do what
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: you want in your in privacy, but you're not allowed
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: to bring this out onto the open and voice foisted
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: upon us. It's wrong and we're going to oppose it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: That's now the new thing that to get kind of
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: tax with. I think he said that especially someone who's
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: left that community, LGBT community, so an ex gay person
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: converted or whatever, regardless of whether they've like become you know,
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: intersexual or liver a different kind of life, they're the
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: ones who are now blacked out, he said on the documentary.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: So he noticed that in some screening he came to
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: see that was getting picketed by the LGBT Brigade because
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: now it's like the weird thing you're not allowed to
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: kind of go. You're not allowed to leave. It's such
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: a great community, but you don't leave ever. Or it's like,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: oh okay, love.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I love what Douglas says in Madison Crowds. He well,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: he talks about Saint George and the dragon, but I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: love what he says about the you know, in twenty
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: fifteen a burgerfell everything like all the rights were given,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: like there's nothing else to do. But he talks about
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: this train arriving at the train station and the passengers
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: should disembark, but instead the train lurches and then just
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: barrels through the train station. And that's It's like, that's
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: what's happening with this whole LGBTQ plus ideology. It's like,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: it's not content with having you know, the same quote
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: unquote rights as everyone, but it has to go further
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: in condemn anyway, you know, make people lose their jobs
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: unless they completely are on board with the agenda the homosexual.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: Dinner, as they used to say in the eighties.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's right. Yeah. Well, and by the way, that's why,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: in many ways, that's partly why my tweak caused such controversy,
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: because I could have said the LGBT agenda is invading
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: the church, or could have said the LGBT agendas come
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: into the church. People didn't like the word invading, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: they especially didn't like the word homosexuality because they've already
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: lost the battle in their heads. They didn't realize they've
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: lost what they have of accepting homosexuality just as a
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: good thing and like the orientation language that's come from
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: John Money and other crazy psychic people like that, but
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: it becomes a kind of just completely valid form of sexuality,
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: valid in God's eyes, so should be valid anyone's are.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: So therefore, yeah, just to actually call out the thing
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: itself is a problem. Oh No, we weren't worry about
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: the practice. As long as you don't have sex with men,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: you know, you're fine, and that's completely fine. To know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: the actual whole idea, the normalization of it, the fact
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: that this is being seen in the same way as
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: being seen in the world. That's what's invading the church,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: and that's what I think what people don't like, because again,
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: as you say, even in culture, people used to speak
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: about the homosexual agenda, THEYD speak about homosexuality itself as problematic,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: and that became the in the probably necessary swing to
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: try to be like, okay, how do you talk to
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: people who have same sex attraction in one way another
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: without making everything of their identity and demonizing them, And fairly,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: we then just swung crazily in the other direction. And
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: then those people made it all about their identity anyway,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: and they made it almost impossible to have any any
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: proper conversations henceforth, because it feels like people are entranced
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: by this ideology that engulfs everything that they think and feel.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember, just reminds me when I was in
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: my twenties. My friends and I we used to joke
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: about the concept of homosexual agenda, and we used to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: call each other, you know, it's say, what's on your
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: homosexual agenda today? But actually it turns out, as it
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: turns down, there was an agenda.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: It's called after the.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: Ball, Yeah exactly. Yeah. By the way, to do you,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: like said, when you have your friends from that that era,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: do what do they think of you now? And they
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: do get kicked back from them? I presume, do they
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: come and attack.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: They don't speak to me anymore. I mean I don't really.
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It's I I'm barely in contact with them, with some
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: of them, some of them have completely cut me off,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: especially when my book, my first book came out in
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. That's when that was the red line in
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the sand for them.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: But they, yeah, they they just think I'm completely bonkers
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and crazy.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: But what I don't care. I mean, I what do
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I care?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I have eternal life, like I have a relationship with
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Like you know, they could go to their pride of it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: By the way. I mean, I I was.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Never one of the gay like the gay ghetto guy guys.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: The gay there's a certain kind, there's a there's several
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: kinds of gays like. But I was never part of
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: that gay ghetto kind of like West Hollywood, because back
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, West Hollywood was like it was all
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it was pretty much all gay. Now it's not because
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: of the expense of the prices have gone sky high,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: so it's like it's all like liberal white women and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: families and stuff. But but I was never part of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: that whole kind of gay ghetto situation. And Pride, Pride
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Months or Pride Day. I you know, once in a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: while I would go to La Pride or New or Pride.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I mean I went to a couple but I always
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: felt out of place there. I felt like it was
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: really raunchy and gross, and I just felt it was tacky.
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I thought it was really tacky and an absurd.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: And and so anyway, I never really was I was
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: never really into pride, and now I'm definitely not into Pride.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: So so you so the next quote from the website,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the Pride website in London was quote, but Pride is
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: about joy the unbridled happiness of living authentically Russ the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: power of love and all its forms, and the beauty,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the beautiful diversity that makes our community so vibrant.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Isn't it so vibrant? I mean, it's so funny. What
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: you're just saying is exactly showing the opposite of what
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: this you experience would be, even from your friends and
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: and those who would sort of shun you from the
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: religious community because you've left their kind of weird cult
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: religion and you actually have freedom, You actually have authenticity
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: and genuine vibrancy. And I think that's the This is
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: the thing with ideologies, that they're fake. They have to
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: keep telling you how great, how great everything is, because
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: that's like what it was like under communism. You know,
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: that's like everything's amazing, isn't it. Isn't it amazing? Like
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: is it so cool that, like, you know, we get
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: to be in the Soviet Union? Is that amazing? Guys
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: who are going to carry on repeating that over and over? Yeah? Absolutely,
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: And we're going to inform on those who don't say
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: how amazing it is all the time. I don't know
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: if you've seen the film The Death of Stalin it's amazing.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: It's a good us UK collaboration. I totally. I mean,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: let me say, should I be recommending this? Is it?
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: It's probably not entirely. Yeah, there's some there's some salty language,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: et cetera. But as a black comedy, it's like, it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: very good and it's it's kind of a highlighting the
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: ludicrousness of people who are the last days of Stalin basically,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: and the fear that people had over speaking against anything
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: about the regime and the contradictions that it led to
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: in how many people thought. So it's like a comedy there,
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: it's quite it's black comedy. It's quite serious themes in
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: it as well, but it is quite well done in
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: how they bring that out anyway. So yeah, it's so
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: that there is a kind of that kind of Stalinist
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: desire to propagandize you into saying this is a great
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: unbridled happiness, living authentically love, the power of love in
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: all its forms, the beautiful diversity, it's so vibrant, and
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: it actually, of course it isn't. It isn't diverse at all.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: You have to all agree on exactly the same thing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: You have to be monochromatic, forget the rainbow. You have
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: to have one color. The color is pride. And that's
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: what you are going to believe. And you're going to
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: say it's great, and it's it's unbridled and it's happy.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: It isn't like, it isn't actually about true joy. It
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: isn't lasting joy, the kind that talk about.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I remember, I'm sure you remember when Ellen Page
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: transitioned to Elliott Page. She tweeted, you know, a photograph
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: of herself as a boy a man, and I mean
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: every Hillary Clinton was praising her for being praising him
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: or her I don't know who, remember, but praising him
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: for praising her for being her authentic self. And I tweeted,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I tweeted, you know, like, why isn't Hillary Clinton praising
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: me for being my actual authentic self being in relation
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: to the king of the universe.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's inauthentic. Authenticity is agreeing with us.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: You don't beck it. I mean, come on, you've got
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: to agree with the Pride Brigade, otherwise you're not authentic.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: They have a they have a kind of mafia like
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: monopoly on authenticity, don't you realize, So you're not allowed
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: to disagree. You don't get to be when you leave.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: You are to leave is to become an authentic So
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: they are they just decided kind of colonize that term
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: again with all the other stuff and and of course
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: with love itself. But that's the the ludicrous thing. Like
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: I think they talk about the power of love, but
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I think it's actually the whole point of it. The
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: whole thing about pride is a rebellion against the biblical
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: concept of love. God is love. So if you reject
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: God and you reject his morality and his standards, his law,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: his wisdom, you're you're you're kind of rejecting love. God
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: is love. You don't get to say I'm rejecting God,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: who is love, and I get to say that love
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: is love, and I'm talking about the tremendous power of love.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: It isn't about love. It may be a counterfeit and
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: it may be the feeling of it, but it isn't
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: actually the true thing in and of itself. If God
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: indeed has defined love in and through himself, and so
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: I think that's part of the problem. But we just
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: that no one seems to see that this is well.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I guess within the LGBT community. They don't seem to
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: get to see that. They're so confident that they have
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: the monopoli and love and that we're the hateful, horrible, judgmental, mean,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: envious people whatever, because we don't have the great freedom
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: of expression. And I think it's so obvious that it's
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: a mirage. It's the sort of sense of we have
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: to keep telling ourselves that and keep reminding ourselves of it,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: that we are free and authentic, and we have to
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: kind of be pretty hateful towards those who aren't for us.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: And I think that that's where the proof comes. When
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: people really oppose pride, they get genuinely like attacked by
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: people within that community all the time. And so I
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: think if it's love, it would not really be bothered
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: about whether you were being attacked in that way. You'd
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: sort of just be like, Okay, you think differently, and
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I'll tolerate you, et cetera. That's clearly not really true.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: When people really mean to oppose pride, the love goes
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: out the window very very quickly, as we know very
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: well well.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, as Paul says, in first Corinthians are one Corinthians,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: as you would say he says love.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: He defines what love is.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Love does not rejoice it wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's it's an impossibility for that
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: kind of love to be actual true love.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, and in an objective way.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: So the next the next quote is, uh, it's about
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: dancing in the streets, embracing who we are and creating spaces.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: If we need to get rid of the word spaces
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: from our lexicon immediately. It's about dancing in the streets,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: embracing who we are and creating spaces where everyone can
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: shine except.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Us us bestely don't get to shine. Okay, the x
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: cays do not get to shine. Get a in a
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: in a cupboard somewhere and hidden away, because they're like,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: you know, you're you're not allowed to flourish because if
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: you then look like you're joyful or happy or freed,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: and that kind of like undus the propaganda which says, yeah,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to have pride in order to
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: have this again. It's like it's like a kind of
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: key to salvation. It's a key to joy and happiness.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: But I was reflecting on you know, you think of
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: the dancing in the streets. It's so innocent sounding, isn't it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Then you think of that, you remember the famous video
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: that everyone's seen as the man disgustingly like gyrating before children. Think,
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: think he turns up every year. He'll probably turn up
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: this one as well.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think there's like thousands of men who
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, okay, but I think there's this particularly like
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: ininicious one that I linked to it in my articles,
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So viewers who want to go and watch this whole
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: thing find the hyperlink. But it's just like insane, like
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: so this isn't really about making everyone shine. It's like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: and I said, it's about making darkness shine as though
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: it was light. That's like, that's again the whole lie
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: of pride. It's trying to elevate sin itself. Is trying
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: to un kind of subterfuge of we're just expressing ourselves.
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: We've been martyrs, we've been in the underground at tocoombs
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: so long. We're now we're free to express ourselves after
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: all this horrible persecution we've had for millennia. But actually no,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: it's it's you're trying to bring the darkness out into
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the light and make it seem like the darkness how
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: it gets to sort of rule over the light, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: it doesn't. He doesn't get to do that. You know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: the light shines and the darkness, and the darkness has
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: not overcome it, says John one. And that's so vital
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: to to remember that we we we need to but
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: when we do that, we're actually speaking about even back
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: to creation. So when John is speaking about the Christ
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: come into the world, the glory of the Gospel coming in,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: and then the incarnate Son of God, there's a sense
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: of course in which he's echoing Genesis one and say
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: in God creating the world through his word, because Jesus,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Jesus was the Word and the word becomes flesh, and
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: he's kind of in the same sense the light. God
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: creates the world through his word, and the first thing
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: he does is let there be light. So light comes
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: into being, It penetrates through darkness, and it's in all
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: of that whole you know sequence in Genesis you see
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: God separating and making divisions, you see him making borders,
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: you see him making distinction. So actually, yeah, things can
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: be There is actual diversity in the Kingdom's ordered through
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: God's God's glory in his wisdom. It's not ordered by
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: our own desire to throw all that away, run away
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: from God and then to try to claim some of
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: those things that we liked about about creation and about
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: the goodness of how He's made things. But this is ultimately, Look,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: if God's created separation of night and day light and darkens,
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: you don't get to cross those boundaries. Similarly with male
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: and female, it's all in the same sequence that he's
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: creating the sky and the earth, and you know, and
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: the cull and the stars and the moon, et cetera.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: So there's these these differences are genuinely there in the
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: way that God constructs the world, but he does it
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: in an order in the hierarchy that he is in
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: charge of. And of course he is loving in the
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: way that he does that as well. But it doesn't
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: mean he just lets us do whatever we want. And
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I think that's again the greatest problem. That we want
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: to dance in the streets, embrace who we are in
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: our sin, doing whatever we want, saying everyone can shine
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: and you can't. It just ultimately, as you say, it
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: ultimately means that the people who are actually holding the
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: light don't get to shine the light. The light doesn't
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: get to shine, but the darkness gets to shine. And
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: you're like, it doesn't seem the most ideal way of
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: setting up an idea to me.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I you know, I've talked about this many
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: times before, but but people, I mean, this kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: shine idea just glosses over how the fact of how dark,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: especially gay men in that world, how dark that world is. Yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: I mean even at the Pride events, there's I mean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I can't Back in the day, there was people countless
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: people would just hook up with random strangers after during
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: those Pride events, like just random sex encounters with like
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: random people. And no, I mean, and I'm sure it
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: still goes on now, and so people don't. People don't
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: want to think about the reality of that dark world
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and how how dark and wicked it is. And then
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you say, then the next quote is quote the journey
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: towards equality continues, and every step forward is built on
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: both resilience through hardship and the infectious joy of being
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: true to ourselves. Today we transform struggle into strength and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: celebration into change.
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's again, you just you just see
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: this sense of the delusion, don't you so? Like Again,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: what I was focusing on with that quote was being
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I feel okay to keep reminding the viewers, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't this. This is blund and pride, not me
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: saying these but it's there's another great quote from an
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: article and where you're talking about the journey towards equality continues.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: This is.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: But it's true what I say, But it's being true
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: to ourselves quite a regard for truth and not delusion.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: And again so it's again this constant, like ludicrous, open
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: and brazen contradiction of the truth all the time, constantly
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: lying to people that the journey towards equality that they
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: talk about in Pride is a complete ruse. It promises
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: the utopia that everybody can be happy in tolerance, as
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: peop would have been discussing, like they're trying to do
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: that without actually facing up to what is true in
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: the sense of their sin. They need to repent of
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: their sin, and they don't want to do that. So
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: to be true to yourself, to be your authentic self,
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: would be to be your authentic self before God. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: to say, what does it mean to be authentic before God?
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Is even to be open and honest and truthful. It
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: means to come to God like the publican does, not
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: the Pharisee to come and say, you know, have mercy
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: on me, God, I am a sinner, rather than I
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: thank God that I'm not like one of those sinners,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: one of those inauthentic people. So I think there's this
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: total reversal where I think pride becomes the Pharisee in
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: a way, saying we didn't need We're righteous on our own.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: We've received joy and freedom and equality and everything, all
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: without the need to repent, without the need to kind of,
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: you know, come to God and to sort of come
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: before and receive His forgiveness. So they're blocking themselves off
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: and receiving the gospel. That's partly why I highlighted in
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: my tweet that got me fired, the sense of this
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: is a gospel issue because you can't, you know, edit
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: sinned to say, no, Jesus didn't need to die for
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: all of the sins, just the ones that I don't like,
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: but the ones he doesn't like, Well, we can negotiate
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: about that two thousand years later and just decide that
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: that isn't sin anymore. And then you don't need a savior,
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: then you can say to God, actually, didn't you don't
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: You didn't need to bother dying on the cross for
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: all of those sins, and therefore you're just cutting off
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: the power of the love of God. Ironically, again, despite
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: talking about love so kind of prodigiously, there's no real
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: sense of what love is and being able to receive
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: God's love, which is especially powerful because of God's judgment.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: God's judgment is so vital to understand to get a
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: truth g asked of God's love. If you don't understand
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: that God could have killed you and has killed many
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: people for their sin, including destroying entire cities for certain sins,
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: and you won't really understand, or it's harder to understand
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: the greatness of his love in dying for you for
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: the very sinners that he would actually give the death
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: penalty to. And so I think I've focused at the
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: article on the bizarre contrast, because in that quote, they
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: are talking, aren't they about the celebration, And we've had
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: the dancing in the streets, we've had the unbridaled joy,
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: and then now this sort of celebration into change revolution
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: to change all of us horrible, evil people who don't
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: agree with pride. And I think there's a contrast here
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: with a celebration I was picking up on, which is
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: with the prodigal sun itself, of course, so that there's
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: a great celebration and a feast at the end of
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: that power. But it happens when the son has realized
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: that when he left his father, when he repudiated God
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: as it were, he found himself eating with the pigs
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: and and was like, what have I done? This is insane,
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Like he's like he's like he's that pride and realizing actually,
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: I don't want to do this is this is like
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: completely debasing, and I need to go back and I
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: need to repent. And when he does that, the father
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: comes and embraces him because runs out to meet him
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: and then gives him the ring on his finger, kills
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: the fashioned calf, and it's a glorious celebration after the
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: sort of the older brother out And so I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: that's that's true celebration that you get in the Gospel,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: rather than the fake celebration the pride wants to wants
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: to get what's to take and steal really without really
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: having a true warrant for it, and.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I like what you say.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You say the journey towards equality has no destination because
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: it is animated by the worship of self. It is
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: rooted in weaponized discontent which can never be satiated because
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: it is in perpetual rebellion against God.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, And again it's just like I
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: was saying earlier, the whole notion of it. You mentioned
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Russeau earlier. We're just so messed up, aren't we, by
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: the Enlightenment in general, the French Revolution in particular, and
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: then Marxism as a sort of downstream. If there's just
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: avalanche of we have to undermine the way God made
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: the world. We have to undermine distinctions, and we have
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: to caricature any any possibility of seeing how God has
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: made order and distinction in the world and make it
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: seem like it's the worst imaginable thing. And there are
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: bad versions of hierarchy, there are bad versions of distinction
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: in order, of course, but to caricature them in order
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: to go for this like hyper crazy humanistic equality is
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: genuinely evil, and it's made humans just ironically debase themselves
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: because they worship themselves as what secular humanism, does there's
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: no God anymore, or we act like there's no God anymore,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: And then we in the same way that the prodigal
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: son acts like his father doesn't matter. He just I'll
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: take my inheritance. I'll take what I've been given by Christianity,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: says the secularists, and I'll run off into the hills.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: I run off to Babylon, and I want to see
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: what happens. I feel like I've got my own destiny
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: now and I'm not tied to the Father. I think
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: there's a real analogy there for how secular culture acts
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: in sort of cutting itself off from God and human
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: autonomy that ultimately you have to worship something, so we
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: end up worshiping ourselves, and ironically we also debase ourselves
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: through things like elevating homosexuality, elevating abortion, and freedom to
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: the extent that freedom means killing in my country, you know,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: three hundred thousand babies a year in yours. I don't
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: know how many years, must be millions, And so yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: there's an irony. We're killing more humans as we're supposedly
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: elevating humans because we've got rid of God's God's word
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: from our foundations.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: And you talk about pride as an offense to Christianity. Now,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this is a very fascinating point because I just read
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a book and I wish I had it in front
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: of me, but it's about this very sub part of
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: it is about this. But you say that, So, why
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: is Christianity versus Islam? Why is Christianity really kind of
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: the the monster and according to LGBTQ plus and not Islam.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is suddenly kind of just started
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: to occur to me as I've started to think and
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: write about pride specifically and to kind of go on
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: the offensive against it. Obviously in my country, I don't
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: I mean, you don't have as many Muslims per capita
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: yet you're kind of probably on the way there. But
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: we are like inundated with Islam in this country. Political Islam.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I've written about that on the whole series called Soft
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: g Had on the Substack as well. It's slowly of
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: incrementally kind of coming in at various levels, and we
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: do have loads of them. We have places where like
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: there's ninety five percent of the children in a school
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: are Muslim, and it's a very interesting, like cacophony because
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: we're obviously extremely liberal here in Britain as well. In
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: like it's just it's a terrible cocktail at the moment.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: And the liberals love the Muslims. They they're like they
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: were they're so they're like pro Islam, and the Muslims
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: are like, you know, they're literally knowing they're using these
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: liberal morons who are actually in charge of the country,
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: which is terrifying too, like to gain more political power.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: It's so stupid to watch it happen, like you absolute
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: fools that you're allowing this to happen. And some of them,
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: some of them even come out and say it. Evens
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: are like, yeah, of course we vote for the Green
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: Party or Labor because they are like, you know, giving
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: it exactly what it is and they like to say it.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: And then yet then there's always been so important to
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: be tolanced British values. It means we must welcome them,
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: you know, it's so great, so britishue like really they're
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: just setting up like Afghanistan in like whole towns and
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: taking them over. But whatever, it's like, it's so it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: really crazy. So of course Islam is anti LGBT but
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: they say they see LGBT the agenda as a kind
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: of white Western thing. And what is white Western culture historically?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: What what what is the backdrop of it? Well, it
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: would be Christendom, wouldn't It would be Christian morality is
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: the bedrock of the peoples of of the Anglo European
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: or the so the Anglo American peoples or the let's
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: say euro American, you want to say it. The people
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: that come that constitute the West have a foundational morality
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: of Christianity. And Muslims know that. Muslims know that, who
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: are not living in the West, they see Western civilization
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: as Christian and even in ways that would even make
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: us as Christians. But hang on, it's not quite quite
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: like that. I see what you mean, but it isn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: quite like that. Like, so when I did mission in
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: an Islamic country many years ago, they were saying to me, like,
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: you Christians don't even believe in like morality, Like you
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: call like pornography and women wear like short skirts everywhere
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: you Like, that's just crazy. I don't know why your
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: God thinks that's okay, Like he doesn't think that's okay. Actually, Like,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: why do you like they've had the concept of everyone
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: in Britain the West is Christian and all of the
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: immorality they see is Christianity and like that that's how
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: like the people I spoke to with thinking, I was like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: that's crazy, Like it's not how we see it at all.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: But they see that shows how Muslims think in terms
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: of that sense of a cultural dominion. Now I think
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Christians should also think like that longer term, but it
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: shows that there's a difference in civilization. So they see
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: the LGBT thing as this emanation of like, look how
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: ridiculous the West has become. It doesn't even believe in itself.
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: It can't, you know. LGBT is like a civilizational If
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: you promote it, you're you're promoting the lack of progeny
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: for the future obviously. And so I think they see
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: that and they're happy for us to sort of shoot
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: ourselves in the first they' happy for us to abort
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: all of our children. You rarely ever see Muslim picketing
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: abortion clinics per se, because that what they would say
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: is we don't abort our children. It's the Europeans who
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: are bought their children and riddance so whereas if they
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: cared about the morality per se, they would be standing
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: with the Catholics and Evangelicals and Orthodox who are generally
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: involved in those fights for against abortion if they cared
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: about public morality. But they only care about their own
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: public morality for their own people, and so pride. Ultimately,
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: it should be wildly offensive to Muslims, but it's only
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: offensive to them when it affects their own communities, their subcommunities.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: So if you have a school of ninety five percent
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: Muslims children, the parents will pick it if they try
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: and foist LGBT stuff on them, and they did. They
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: were they won this case against this Birmingham primar headmaster
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: who was like really pro progressive stuff and he was
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: putting it into like primary school, kindergarten age I think
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: for you guys, and they were like, no, we're not
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: having that. The parents just said we're going to pull
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: all of the children out, percent of the children. We're
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: actually going to do that, and they did. They all
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: rally together as one big unit, and the teacher literally
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: had no he couldn't do anything. They couldn't not have
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: a school. So he said, okay, I guess we're not
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: going to do that.
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: Then if only Christians could do this, Yeah, yeah, so
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: that's the thing that brings the Muslims out to play
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: against LGBT when it affects their community, not when it
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: affects society as a whole, because they're playing a longer
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: game to win society, and then it won't be quite
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: so tolerant for the LGBTs in the long run.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I don't think there's any pride flags in
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the Muslim school elementary schools in England. So okay, so
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: just talk about why Christians must oppose pride.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: So, like I said, it goes back to my earlier
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: article when I was saying pride can and should be opposed,
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: and I think it's fundamentally for me. You've got to
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: think about love your neighbors. It's ironic that the progressive
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: fool even the Christians who are who are I think
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: even Evangelical Christians who are conservative technically on paper, but
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: they would never go near saying the kind of stuff
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: that I might say against pride. They just don't. They
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: just think it's like stirring up a hornet's nest. I
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: think they're probably guarding their reputations. They want to seem
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: so achingly empathetic and compassionate, and I think ambassion is
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: obviously good and good gentleness is important. I don't think
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: it's it's I wouldn't want if I was in face
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: to face with the same sex, attractive person or someone
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: called themselves gay or homosexual. I'm not going to be
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: like bashing them over the head with the Bible, but
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: I am going to be hoping, hopingly, hoping to speak
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: the truth in love to them, which may differ how
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: I do that to different people, But I'm still going
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: to absolutely oppose what's happening in the culture and in
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: the church when it comes up. And if you don't
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: do that, you're just basically capitulating to the agenda long term,
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: because we've seen the Church become more and more effeminate,
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: to become more easily swayed by the agendas of the
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: world by not opposing those enemies of the kingdom. Pride
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: is an absolute enemy of the Kingdom of God. It's demonic,
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: and it needs to be seen in those terms as
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: a spiritual battle. But if the evangelicals are going well,
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: I think it's so important to like evangelize the LGBT community.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, yeah, amen, and let's do that. How
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: do we do that? But you do that by opposing
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: opposing this this beams first before it kind of continues
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: to groom children indirectly or directly and continue to sort
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: of undermine Christian civilization, which it has been doing for years.
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: And so if you if you don't do that, you're
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: kind of not loving your neighbor. So where the liberal
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: or progressive evangelical goes love your neighbor by going to
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Pride and being nice and compassionate and giving out drinks
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: and going, hey, is this fun? I can I can
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: appreciate the joy that you have. Jesus is a bit
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: like that, isn't that great? And actually it's not. It's
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: not so great. It's a it's not Yeah, it's not
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: going to end well basically, And so I think this
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: is the the again, one of the many follies that
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: people evangelicals have that they don't actually they don't really
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: understand that they're not loving their neighbor if they're not
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: giving them the truth.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And Robert Gagnon points to this verse in Leviticus
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: as as kind of what you're saying about loving your neighbor.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: It's Leviticus nineteen verse seventeen, where.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: Where he says.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Where he says, my battery is about to die. I'll
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: come up with some spiritual analogy about why that's important. Okay,
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: I'm plugged in.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: Lets and Robert Gagnon, he's great, Yeah, he's yeah, you know.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: He says, but he says he quotes Leviticus nineteen seventeen
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: where it says, you shall not hate your brother in
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: your heart, but you shall reason frankly with your neighbor,
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: lest you and curse sin because of him. So so basically,
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: if you're not speaking the truth to your neighbor, you're
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: incurring sin, yeah, because of him. So it's that's very important. Now,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: I just want to reiterate because you say this in
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: the article, and you say, to be clear, Christians should
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: not oppose pride because they despise gay people or think
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of them as lesser.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: Human beings, because again, there but for the grace of
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: God go I.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So we agree on that we were not bashing gay people,
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: were bashing an ideology that is.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Demonic. Let's just say that absolutely.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I'd say the same with Islam. Like I
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: could speak strongly against Islam, and I'd want to try
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: and reach Muslims. But the way you do that is
• 51:50
  Speaker 4: to be and truthfully in love and being wise to
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: what's actually going on in the culture around us. So
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: being so loving the neighbors, loving the individual person in
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: front of you, and also loving your wider neighbors, your
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: wider neighborhood were going. If pride continues in this way,
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: it's going to keep corrupting and corroding moral foundations more broadly,
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: so you're not loving your future neighbors, You're not loving
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: your future children and grandchildren if you are allowing pride
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  Speaker 4: to desecrate the Christian inheritance of the culture. And that's
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: something that we really need to grasp and go, oh
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: my goodness. One day. I do hope that, like with abortion,
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: I think we'll probably I say probably, I believe we
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: will abolish abortion, and I think pride also will be abolished.
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: I hope and pray, and then people wi look back
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: and remember that crazy time when they just had like
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: round crazy gyrating men and they thought this was like, okay, good.
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: Why didn't anyone say anything at the time, Why didn't
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: it take you so long to speak against it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: Every cross yeah, every crosswalk in la is a rainbow
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  Speaker 1: is painted as a rainbow flake.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And then okay, so we're gonna well in on this.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You talk about this the vibe shift, and you say,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: I believe an increasing number of Westerners are becoming sick
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: of pride. It's like after the Ball when the two
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: gay guys who wrote that book, they said, talk about,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: you know, gayness until it's thoroughly tiresome.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: And I think that's that's where we are.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: And I just want to show just a few examples
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: of why I think this is the case. This is
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: an article that came out. It says gay couple who
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: showed off picture perfect family get one hundred, one hundred
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: years in prison for horrific rape of adopted sons. So
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: it's two gay men. If you're listening to this on
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: a podcast, it's two gay men with two sons, young boys.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: And these guys are William Dale Zuloc and Zachary Jacoby
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Zuloc and they are two American child rapists. This is
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: according to Wikipedia, which is interesting. There are two American
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: child rapists and sex offenders currently serving a sentence of
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: one hundred years in prison without the possibility of parole
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: for the repeated sexual abuse and sexual exportation exploitation of
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: their two adoptive sons. So there's that, and then there
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  Speaker 1: is this. Megan Basham says, I truly believe I can't
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  Speaker 1: even read this. These are the images that are going
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: to bring down a Berger fell uh. And I think
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it's just this, this kind of constant and oh oh,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: and I want to play this, play this video. I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: don't know if you you probably have seen this good
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: think so. But it's a it's a gay fah, it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: a gay couple and one of the guys is playing
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: with their infant child. And this is the it's a
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: one minute video, let's just play it. That is so disturbing.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: That's that's horrific. I mean, that is just Megan Basham
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: is so on the ball on so many things.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: And certainly then that is Have you seen that video before?
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  Speaker 4: I have, I've never seen that. No, And that is oh,
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: it's horrible to what I mean, it's this, it's this
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: everything that everything that is wrong about the normalization of
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: homo sexuality in per se in general, and it just
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: carries on and now it's allowing adoptive gay gay parents
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: because they know they need they need to take everything
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: that we have. They need to take everything of Christian civilization,
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: the normativity of the family, and the normativity of marriage.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: They want to kind of come for every single hurdle
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: and keep going and going, to say, the train blasting
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: past the station, to use Murray's analogy, and that's just
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: it's horrific to watch that. The you know, that sort
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: of visceral sense of a baby crying out for it
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: for a mother, and we know that. I know that
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: as a father of seven children who love her, love
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: my sons, got four sons and two very young ones.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: At the moment, I am no, I can be as
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: fun and good a dad as they want. There is
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: no replacement for mother, but for their mama when they want,
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: when they want her, it's like she is the absolute
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: queen of their life. There's a kind of turning point
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: where they where she gets sad that they kind of
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: turn to me, and you know, I start playing football
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: to the things, and then she just more and the
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: loss I get my victory. Later on that they're like, oh, yeah,
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: your old news. But that early stage, the maternal the
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: joy of motherhood you see so many you know, there's
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: various videos which are like that. In relation to feminism
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: as well. We have a feminist who doesn't want children,
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to be a mother. It's also repudiating divine
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: nature in some in some respect, and all women will
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: be mothers, but the vast majority will and we'll have
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: that maternal instinct. And they're trying to suppress that, and
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: they and they're trying to suppress the truth. And then
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: suddenly it comes out because there's that woman when we've
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: got handed a baby and she's like, oh my goodness,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: it's like starts weeping because it kind of nature wins out,
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: God's creation wins out. And even there you see another
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: example of that, but in the kind of reverse, in
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: a in a horrible way where you were like that, yeah,
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: you didn't choose, you didn't choose this. They just they
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: they got you and like and it's even worse for
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: so many situations that we've seen like that that couple
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I hate even to use the word couple, but yeah,
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: that that adopted and then abused those boys. And it's
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: even you probably have not even know if you have
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: the example of the other one in Britain. Yeah, that's
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: been in the news recently.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, that was a gay Nashville couple
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: who purchased the child at six weeks old, so I
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: think that child probably had already been saying mama. And
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: then but they're just trying to beat beat that word
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: out of that child, which is crazy. And then we
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: get this, of course, which is it again? And then
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: by the way, I mean, why are in the world
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: with that the video we just watched. Why would they
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: post a video like that?
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: I know, it's insane. It's like a self phone, isn't it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: It's like a yeah.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: And then this couple is I don't even know what
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: to say about this couple that that's we're looking at
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: It's I mean, this is dystopia what I want. Isn't
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: it like if you were to design like a terrible
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: society where where this is like the thing, people smiling
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: in this very sort of plastic way, in a very
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: like just horrific sense of again de norming God's norms.
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: This is like how you do it. I think that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: I think the young boy that's onto something, he just
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: looks weirded out and he's like I shouldn't be there.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: It's like, no, this should not be happening.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: They're both apparently, I think they're both hairdressers in Texas,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: somewhere Insco, Texas. But yeah, they're very very happy about
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: their family and their white teeth. So then this is
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the one I think you're talking about.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: In Britain, this is very sad.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Thirteen months old baby Preston Davy died just three months
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: after being placed for adoption with a gay couple. Charges
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: include murder, abuse and serious offensive. Both defendants pled not guilty.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Another bay be raped by a gay couple to death.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: This is super disturbing, so dark.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: And these are people who were like involved in and okay,
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: I think there were teachers, but these are people who
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: would have like adoptions. I don't know what it's like
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: in the US. It's a really long and difficult process.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: I've known people who can't have children who it's very difficult.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: It's very difficult for someone who's not pro LGBT to
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: adopt as well. By the way, so if you're an
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: evangelic Christian and you're not like savage, you want to adopt,
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: you kind of have to like pretend. Many many have
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: had to pretend like or just not speak about their
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: views in the interviews because they're so keen to be like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: what do you do if this if you're if the
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: child wanted to be gay, you'd let them be gay?
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: Or wouldn't you? Like please? Is the gay Okay? That's
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: like a really big part of it. And so they're
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: kind of foisting that again on people. But apparently you
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: can you can hide, hide your convictions another way and
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: then completely abuse the child or that child of that
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: last photo I think we had, like was turned up
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: in hospital and was being abused, had forty different like
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: signs of abuse of all sorts of like everywhere all
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: over their body in loads of different ways. It was
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 4: like really obvious what had happened. It was like horrendous,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: like you used like a doll or something. And these
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: are people who you'd see would think are respectable. And
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: of course the LGBT agenda would hate all this because
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: this is really bad publicity. This doesn't make our manifesto
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: look so great and rosy and dancing in the streets
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: and liberation and unbridled freedom and love. These are just aberrations.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: We just have to say that aberrations and we don't
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: want the homophobic brigade to rear their head again. Anyone
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: who opposes Bride is what they probably call homophobic. Now,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: who would equate LGBT with you know, the worst parts
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: of the plus with pedophilia, that's always something like a
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: no go area that anyone in AD's allowed to make
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: that kind of connection. Of course, you could make that
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: connection wrongly and unfairly, But I do think there's something
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: about giving yourself over to the lust of the flesh
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: and to the brazen desires of sin and not calling
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: it sin. There's one thing like struggling with sin. Lots
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: of people struggle with sexual sin in different ways, but
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: to be kind of brazenly open about it, like this
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: is good, This isn't even I'm not struggling with it,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: I'm celebrating it. That's a whole different ballgame. And you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: give yourself over to very dark, very dark forces when
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: that happens. And I just think that's why I get
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 4: another reason why pride should be opposed, because it leads
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: to this kind of horrendous stuff, And how many more
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: children are going to have to be raked to death
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: before somebody starts genuinely asking questions about this and reversing
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: so many of these reforms that seem so liberating and
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: actually look increasingly more dystopian than people realized.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad people are starting.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: It seems like last year and this year people are
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: kind of starting to wake up to this and starting
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: to push back on this whole the Pride Month and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: everything about it.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: So that's the good news and we're going to leave
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: it there.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: But Aaron Edwards, Doctor, Aaron Edwards, thank you for coming
• 1:02:03
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• 1:02:05
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• 1:02:08
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