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The Chateau at The Oregon Caves: Chilling History & Hauntings · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  So since there's like a stream running through that's gonna be carrying some
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  energy right? Hmm and not to mention like all the marble and like limestone and
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  crystals and stuff in the game. Yeah like that shit holds on to energy too. It's
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  true. Speaking of holding on to energy it's time for some spooky stuff. Oh so
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  this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted
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  forever and ever.
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  Hi Caitlyn. Hi Cassie. Hi creepy people. Hello. If you're new to our creepy
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  corner of the world this is PNW Haunts and Homicides where we chat about true
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  crime, the paranormal and all things creepy spooky in the Pacific Northwest and
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  also bats and also bats. We also do a tarot reading in every episode for a
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  little bit of deeper insight into our topic. Is our topic bats? I was just gonna
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  say and sometimes also bats. We just really like bats. We're feeling it. Okay my
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  episode we have bats. It's kind of funny because on my from my angle of you it's
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  just a little bat wings poking up over your head. Oh really? It looks like he just
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  has a little wings. Should I take a picture of you? That girl. Yeah. Is that Halloween? It feels like Halloween. I
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  like got really excited. Got it in the mood. But like I'm also kind of feeling the
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  summer vibe lately with my episodes. You know last time we went hiking in the
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  creepy redwood forest that we did a real PNW summer. Nature, adventure, naked
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  bike ride. Not this summer. I was gonna say actually I'm really really sad news about
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  that. It got canceled. It's really sad. I don't know why though. Well I'll tell you
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  we have news. Tell me. So the bats? It's not a well. Some people might have bat wings
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  fluffing around while they're naked. I don't know. Yeah that's fair. The Portland
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  World naked bike ride has been canceled this year due to lack of volunteers.
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  Oh. Because it's it's huge. Like they have a ton of people. It's like the only time you
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  can be naked in public and people are into it. So they need like a lot of volunteers to
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  you know obviously. That's team. I heard. Yeah. They didn't have enough. So this is a call
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  to action. Get your all's creepy naked butts out next year and volunteer for the naked
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  bike ride. So we can go. As volunteers who will be fully clothed. Do you think we should
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  volunteer? I wonder if the volunteers are they naked too? I mean get it. You don't have
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  to be naked. Yeah. But I wonder. Well everyone volunteer because I would like to see this happen
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  again. Okay well unfortunately this episode is not all about the naked bike ride. I was wondering.
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  I know. I just saw the news and I had to bring it up. Yeah. It's newsworthy. It is. As
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  hard as I try to just like couldn't find any creepy stories involving a traveling mass
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  of nudity. It just like there wasn't anything there. Okay. It's like no one. There's no
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  like creepy naked dude stories. I was like. Huh. Interesting. Okay. I see where you're going.
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  I see. I see now. Okay. It didn't actually look for those. Hopefully no one is creepy at
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  the naked bike ride. I think everyone is. Yeah. Yeah. I my head immediately went to naked
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  ghost scared sheetless. Yeah. That's the naked ghost. Scared sheetless. That was what
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  Beetlejuice is going to be called. This was not planned. Y'all. There you go. I'm wearing
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  never trust the living shirt which is from Beetlejuice. Yeah. But it had bats and like lanterns on
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  it. It's perfect. So remind me of what we're going to talk about today which I almost gave
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  away which I didn't mean to. I guess lanterns is another clue. Okay. Let's move on before
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  you guys. Okay. So we did the nature thing with the redwoods and now we need some adventure
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  summer. Right. Yes. Did I say naked or nature? You said nature. Okay. I think. Roll. I have
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  like a replay in my head of me saying. Okay. So we did the naked thing in the redwoods. But
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  I think I said nature. This is that moment when I want to go roll that beautiful bean
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  footage. Well, if I said naked, it'll be funny. I'm not redoing it. It's fun for everyone.
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  I think. Well, we're going to have some more fun. So let's go pot-holing you guys. Pot-holing?
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  Yeah. Pot-holing. You don't know what that is. My throat did that weird Predator thing.
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  I heard it. And I'm like, hot. We all wear rear. It came from the pot hole. Oh, oops. Okay.
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  That's what they call it in the UK and Ireland. Okay. Here we call it spolunking. Oh my god.
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  Like as it. Like what? Like the cave thing. I can't make words now. Yeah. Cave can make
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  words. I can't. Exploring. It's like heights, but also confined spaces and doors have to be
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  high. And it's just exploring a cave. Okay. Obviously people do extreme stuff like, you know,
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  like diving down into the cave and crazy, it's squeezing and shit. But you don't have to do that.
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  But you don't. Don't. But you can. But don't. So 293 miles south of Portland, Oregon, almost to the
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  border of California. Oh, hey girl. Long time no party. Yeah. On caves highway in the town of
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  cave junction. Okay. Well, that feels a little heavy handed. If I'm being honest. Where are we going?
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  Is the Oregon caves national monument? It's actually just one cave, but it's like, but a bunch of
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  tunnels down there, but they call it caves. Okay. There are 133 national monuments in the US. I had to
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  look it up because I was like, Oh, like how special is this national monument thing? And it turns out
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  it's pretty special. Yeah. Yeah. So it's a pretty good thing preserves the cave. The cave's first
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  recorded discovery was in 1874 by a man and his dog, Elijah and Bruce, which ones which that's
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  what I was just thinking Bruce is the dog. Okay. Yeah. That that makes sense. Is it Elijah
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  a cute name for a dog though? It would be. I know. I kind of want a dog now. Yeah. Oh, I don't.
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  I mean, I do. I actually tried to convince Chris to pull over on the side of the road the other day
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  because we saw a bunny. Oh, wow. I don't know if it's wild, but it was it wasn't wearing a collar.
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  Oh, let's put it that way. Okay. Sticky up ears are floppy. It has a little sticky up ears. Oh, that's
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  a wild bunny. Well, I mean, not necessarily. Lots of bunnies have sticky up ears. Okay. It's not my fault
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  that we had the holding pops growing up. Listen, I'm still mad because he said we would go get the
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  bunny today and we didn't you can't have a bunny wants to be wild. Okay. Well, I've already tried to
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  convince him to bring home a coyote. I thought that the bunny was a pretty good compromise.
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  You should get a new cat and it'll be like a raccoon.
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  And then everyone in our house would die. So this is kind of a crazy story. All right. I will link it.
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  Someone wrote out like a little story about what happened to him. So it's pretty cool. But all
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  interesting. I'll kind of summarize it for you. All right. So Brucy technically was the one who
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  found the cave. They were hunting in the Sisky Mountains. They had a camp with a bunch of other people
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  who are also hunting, but they went off on their own. And Bruce goes sniffing off doing dog things,
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  you know, how they do. Oh, right. I forgot. Bruce is the dog. Yes. I'm like, Bruce, he's a man.
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  Elijah's the man. Okay. And Elijah realizes that the dog isn't close by, but he can hear him
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  barking. So he goes off to try to find him so they can head back. And so here's some barking in the
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  distance. He goes toward the sound. And soon he comes upon a stream and it's flowing from a dark
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  opening in the rocks. And he hears the dog barking again. Oh, and it sounds like it's from deep inside
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  where the stream is coming from out of these rocks. Oh boy. But he also hears this is crazy. But he
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  also hears something else inside. It's a freaking bear. He hears a bear growling inside in his dog
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  barking. And then I think at one point the dog like whimper like winds. Oh no, Bruce. Yes. So obviously
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  it's not going great for Bruce. Well, before that, let me just say we officially have a bear theme.
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  We really do. It's like what's going on. It's so weird. Well, I mean, I think we've established
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  women are team bear. That's right. And we talked about bear in the last episode. Oh my gosh,
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  it's so funny. Team bear. Oh, this gets even weirder. But so this saint of a man, of course, he has to
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  go after his dog. Saint of a man, I think that's the bear minimum, but the bear minimum. Get it.
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  But he's crawling into this dark hole in rocks where there's a stream. So it's like it's not just
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  of course he goes after his dog, but like that's risky for your own life, right? Yeah.
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  So he goes into this bear apartment and and he proceeds to get lost and also runs out of matches,
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  which were the only light he had. Okay, it's like nightmares. Literally. Yeah. Yeah, but like,
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  why are we not traveling? Okay, I guess it's probably daylight 1874. Oh shit. Yeah. Yeah. And he
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  wasn't expecting to go into a cave. He's out hunting his campus. Some I nearby. But the unexpected
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  haven't got damn it. Bruce just look what you've done. Bruce is in the bear apartment. Just
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  which is kind of like my apartment when he come into any room unexpectedly. You could be
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  mulled. I didn't see you coming in. Yeah, I did. You were welcome though. Yeah, but I didn't get
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  screamed up. I did scream. But like at her, but no, like at her. It doesn't sound like a bear. No.
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  Sound like a twiggy. If a twiggy could scream. Okay, so where was I? He ran out of matches.
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  So he used to start crawling on the ground because it's so treacherous in there that he can't like
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  just blindly walk, right? You're gonna trip. You're gonna step in a hole. You're gonna probably maybe
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  fall even off a cliff. You don't know what's in there. I really hate that. Yeah, so he had a crawl in
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  his hands and knees. It obviously freaking like would hurt and that sucks. Yeah, that sucks a lot.
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  But by some sort of cave angel miracle, he found the stream again, which he knew led out of the cave.
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  So he knew he if he just followed that stream, he would be okay. And then I'm like, wait, is a cave angel a bat?
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  Yeah. I think so. I think the bats stayed save them. He did. I had a visual of like the bats like
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  picking him up and like flying him out of the cave. So he still went bats. I feel a lot about it.
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  It would be like the balloon house and up. Yes. Yes. Let's redo up with that. Yeah. And make it like a
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  spooky house. I kind of like it. He spent three hours lost in the cave. Crazy. Which like it doesn't
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  seem like that long, which he did get pretty lucky and eternity. Yes. Yeah. If you're in there
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  lost and you don't know where you're at, that's a really long time. Three hours. I would have several
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  strokes. Yeah. But it wasn't like days. You know, like he didn't get lost down there for
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  for that long. And the bear didn't find them. So that was also good. Yeah. I mean, great, great so far.
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  Well, the cave angels also looked out for our boy, Brucey too. Thank God. He came limping out of the cave
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  after his daddy. He did have some cuts, but he he was okay. They were able to heal him up back at camp.
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  So back at camp, he told them the story and no one really believed him.
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  Okay. So he took one of them back the next day. They find the cave again and they see the bear.
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  Shut the fuck up. Yeah. So the friend is like, oh, like, okay, you weren't lying. They thought he
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  was lying about there being a bear. I mean, it's a crazy story. I am like I went and I found a cave
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  in the recipe. I don't know. I mean, bears love caves from what I understand. Maybe the sky
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  lied a lot. I don't know a lot of life. But they didn't just say and like, there were a lot more bears
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  back then. I had no idea why. Maybe it was just a good story to say that they didn't believe them.
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  That okay, that makes sense. Well, either way, they shoot the bear. And now we're back to our
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  other team of bear hunting. Okay. Great. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Well, what caliber?
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  Did they decide to shoot the bear? I don't have any fucking clue. Okay. Well, when I find out what
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  the bear does next, that will tell me, will they kill the bear? Okay. So it's a dead bear. All right. Yeah.
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  So they have like a shotgun. Yeah. I mean, without their hunting like big animals, I think. So I
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  think it was. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So they were solid. Everyone was fine after that. And then the
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  mountain where Elijah found this cave is now called Mount Elijah. I wish they named mountains after
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  me. You got to find caves in them in 1894 or whenever the fuck I said, this is from nps.org, which I think
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  is National Park Service. That sounds correct. I also meant to say dot gov nps.gov. Oh, yes.
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  What did you say the first time? Oh, nps.gov. All right. Quote. Eons of acidic water, seeping into marble
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  rock created and decorated the wondrous marble halls of Oregon. That is a nickname for the cave.
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  Because the cave was formed in limestone that has turned into marble due to a process called
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  metamorphism. Isn't that cool? I had no idea. I love that. There's just like, I don't know,
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  marble's marble. Yeah. I didn't. It used to be limestone. Okay. Marble facts. Marble facts. I knew
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  you would like it. I picked it for you too. We love marble so much here. We're like kind of obsessed.
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  We didn't even know it with limestone. Now color yourself a marble fan. Yeah. I feel like kind of
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  a poser you are. That's like when somebody's like, oh, you like that band? Three songs. Right.
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  The cave reaches about 15,000 feet underground. That's too many. It's full of
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  stalactites and stalagmites. You remember those from school? Pretty. You know those
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  drippy downy there in the cave. They're so cool. I want one. I want one. I think I have to like
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  tighten a slight white. Yeah. One grows from the ceiling. One grows from the floor. Don't ask me what
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  I want one like right here. Yeah. Like if we just have one of like marble. I mean, marble's like all
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  well and good and everything. But I want like the drippy thing. Yeah. You know. It's so mysterious.
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  Also, you know, it's down in caves. Who knows what kind of creepy crawlies? I was going to say
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  something grows. Right. And bats though. And bats. There's so many bats in caves. But they're so cute.
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  But I would probably fully piss my pants if I came into contact with the bats. Sky puppies.
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  They're so cute. But like if they're flying like into you and you're like, are you a mosquito?
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  I mean, I'm very attractive to mosquitoes. Apparently my blood is delicious. Just call me Bella.
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  Well, it's a bat apartment too. It's not just a bear apartment.
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  Actually, it's probably more like a bat dorm. Oh, I like that. Bat frat.
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  Yeah. Bat frat. I like it. But there's some important bat information on the website nps.org.gov.
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  So it says nps.gov/orca. I think that's where I'm getting confused. No, that would fuck me up.
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  It's what would fuck me up so hard. I'm going to quote again from nps.gov.
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  Help save our bats. Help save our bats. Save the bat. North America's bats are under attack
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  from white no syndrome. Let's see. Bat disease. And to prevent the spread, please do not bring close,
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  even washed clothes, shoes or equipment used in any and any used in any other cave mine or any other
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  bat habitat. So just like, if you're going from cave to caves, plunking around, just have different
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  clothes. Don't transfer clothes. Even if they're washed, yeah, even if they're washed, I guess they
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  still can have stuff on them. Well, yeah, I don't know. It's really sad. I don't want the bats today.
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  The bats die. We don't like what are we going to do? Like, I don't know. Be eaten. They're like
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  pollinators. There are a few tours you can take in the cave. There's Discovery Cave Tour,
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  Twist, Stoop and discover the dark depths with a guide. So you'll have a guide. I was like dark depths.
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  I thought you were going to just say guy for a second. I was like with a guy. He's got his name.
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  Like why the emphasis on one guy. One guy. I give a couple different tour guides. Just one guy.
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  It is actually like a Ranger tour guide too. So it's not just like a random guy.
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  Some high school kid like taking you through a dangerous cave. It's like an actual Ranger.
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  Okay. Yeah. So like feel safer. That's the tour I want to take. Well, this next one is the tour I
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  want to take. Candle light cave tour. And they've done a haunted one too. It was like in 2015 that
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  I found so I don't know if they if they still do anything like that. But they do a candle light cave.
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  Candle light. Yeah. I'm sorry. I want it. I want to sell that. How you go through
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  your candle? Like I can't. But I trip over my own feet. Like maybe you're not the person who
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  would go on the candle like she's like you're not invited. You dumb bitch. Maybe if you trip on
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  things you shouldn't walk around in the dark cave with a candle. I'm a fire. Wow. So ableist you guys.
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  Also if you're going with kids and stuff they do have a kids and family tour.
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  Oh yeah. Which is easier I assume. I can't do that one either.
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  But they also if you really like adventure you can go on the off trail cave tour.
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  Squeeze through tight spaces crawl on your belly and explore the deepest depths.
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  Echo.
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  I would not go on that. I'm not that adventurous to yeah. I don't want to squeeze. Yeah, I don't let
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  know squeezing. I'm okay with spiders and creepy crawlies. No, I don't want to. No.
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  Squeeze past them or touch them. No. Brush up. Yeah. I'm good with that. No. And then I've also heard
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  I'm going to have to look up the name and information and everything about the spillunking
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  case. But there was somebody who really sadly died in a cave. That happens a lot. Yeah. It's awful
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  and scary. It's not good. There is also lodging at the Oregon Caves National Monument called the
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  Chateau. Oh. While the caves are still open the Chateau has been closed since 2018 for
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  constructions and renovations. They ran into some pretty big structural issues when they started
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  renovating and much more than they anticipated needed to be done. Meaning a much much much larger
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  budget. Oh, what? Yeah. It's not there. Also interest rates are really high for what?
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  For everything. Oh, interest rates are high. If you need to borrow money. Oh, for borrow. Yeah.
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  For like, you're like for what? A room of cars. I don't know. By the hotel. I don't know. Are they charging
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  interest on our hotel rooms? Yeah. They had a I think like tax money, you know, for rebuilding like
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  a historic place. Oh, sure. I'm pretty sure they had like a budget for that. But it just
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  ended up funding. Yeah. It ended up just not being enough for what needs to be done. So they had
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  to stop construction last March. And I think they were planning when they closed in 2018. They were
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  planning to reopen. I think in 2023 or 2012. I can't remember one of those, but they were planning
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  to reopen pretty soon. Yeah. But they just ran out of funds last year. Oh, no. So they are currently
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  raising funds to finish the project so they can reopen the beloved, beloved, beloved, that's
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  beloved and historic. I didn't need to do that. I love it. This beloved, this beloved lodge.
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  My brain really loves that. Yeah. You know, like why use many words when we've established I am
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  Kevin in the best way possible. I'm just wait. I will get you with the chili one day.
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  Oh, I love a good chili on your floor. That's what I thought. She's like on your wedding dress.
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  So there is a website. It's like friends of the Chateau or friends of the Oregon caves or
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  I'll link it. But they're the ones who are like helping raise the funds, doing all the things.
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  They're the websites. Awesome. They have a place to donate just money. They have a place where you
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  can volunteer or volunteer. You can sponsor one of their chairs. They have really historic old
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  furniture and they've lost a bunch of them in a flood. No. Yeah. So they're reconstructing them,
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  making finding other ones, rebuilding some. But you can sponsor one and then you will get your
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  plaque on it. That's so cool. They have a bunch of different ways that you can support. Obviously,
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  we've donated because we have to. We're talking about it. We have to link all the things. So please
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  donate if you want and or if you can. Not if you want. If you can. If you can and if you want. So we
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  can all go and stay at this picturesque six story lodge with 23 rooms, a fine dining with views over
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  a wooded canyon and a 1930s era coffee shop. Like I need that coffee shop back. I need it. I've
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  never been there. But I like really need to go. But I need it. And I think it was like 1930s because
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  it was built in the 30s. You know, it's not like they made it themed the 30s. Yeah, there
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  are like funds of 30s. Yeah. Let's just when it existed. And if you know, if they don't rebuild
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  this stuff, it's just going to turn into a creepy, dilapidated old building and as much as I really love
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  those. It really do. Yeah. I hate to see this place end up that way. Yeah. Something historic that
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  easily could be saved. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know about easily. It's a lot of money. You guys, it'll
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  easily could be saved. Okay. Yeah. I hope. I hope so. Like I'm hoping even if they raise the money that
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  like they can fix the things that are wrong in there because they yeah. And I think they need to
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  like update it for like earth things and stuff too, which that's really important. Oh, seismic. Yeah.
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  seismic upgrades are no joke. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the tough thing is I will say this even in buildings
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  where you don't have to upgrade the building itself for seismic. The city of Portland and the
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  state of Oregon in general is very strict. And they knew they added new laws. That's I think one of
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  the things they said aside from the eventual finished product during construction. If part of the
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  building is habitated, it needs to be up to the new standards in a lot of situations. So that is
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  really expensive for you know, temporary structures, temporary features of the building that you know,
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  they're not quite done with renovations. I've seen how this can impact other projects.
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  Yeah. That's it's tough because you want buildings to be safe. No, yeah. Yeah. You can't just have this
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  building, especially where it's at. We'll get into like where how it's situated, but and it's like
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  above a cave. So yeah, you kind of need the thing to be a little sturdy, you know, I'd like it to be.
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  Yeah. I would too because I like really need I want to go to there. I want to go to there.
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  I actually try. Okay. So my mom had been there before and I asked her for pictures that she
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  can't find them. I'm bringing up my mom again. It's another theme. Mem. So in 2020, I was, you know,
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  we're looking for places to go. I think it was maybe 2021. Yeah, it was after like the big shut down.
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  It was when things were starting to open back up and I just wanted to go somewhere where it was like
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  wasn't too crowded. It was outdoors. Yeah. And so I was like, oh, I want to go to the caves. I've
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  never been like look it up. And I'm like, I'm like, oh, it's going to reopen. We're getting there.
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  We're getting there. And then then I go look at look it up. I'm like, oh, she's steaming it.
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  They're still not open. It's sad. So yeah, everyone don't like the shadow was built in 1934.
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  It is adjacent to the entrance of the Oregon Caves National Monument. And it is a national historic
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  landmark in one of the National Park's great lodges, which like I didn't know that was a thing.
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  That's cool. Apparently, like at the National Park places, they have like lodges and they're called
• 31:37
  like the great National Park's great lodges. So yeah. Yeah. So this building is built like off of a cliff.
• 31:46
  So the front is three stories. And then the back side of the building is six stories. Oh boy.
• 31:53
  Or floors. I don't know. Stories and floors are the same. Yeah. I mean generally speaking. Yeah.
• 31:58
  Say floors. I don't know. Yeah. It was built over the stream. And it actually flows through the
• 32:05
  building. It flows through the dining room. That sounds so cool. But also I'm not so sure that that's
• 32:14
  for me. What? It's it's very the dining room is like super fancy. It's not like it would be like a
• 32:24
  run like a bunch of water rushing through. No, no, no, no, I'm sure. I'm sure. But I'm like, it's a little
• 32:32
  intimidating. It's a little bit like it's a stream. I think I don't think it's like a white
• 32:37
  water rapid. Well, sure. Right now. That's a stream. I know that our waterways, like they change
• 32:46
  over. Yeah. I don't know. This building was freaks me out a little bit since 1934. And I don't
• 32:52
  think they've had issues with it. Or I didn't read any of them. It sounds so cool. But I feel like it
• 32:56
  would put me on edge. I don't know. I think it's so cool. It sounds so cool. Like I want to go to there.
• 33:03
  But I feel like there'd be a little part of my lizard brain that would be a little bit scared. And
• 33:07
  that's like the same stream that saved Elijah. So like it's a good stream. You know, it's probably
• 33:14
  cool. It's like it's probably going to be chill. Yeah. All right. All right. So since there's like a
• 33:20
  stream running through, that's going to be carrying some energy, right? And not to mention,
• 33:26
  like all the marble and like limestone and crystals and stuff in the community. Yeah. Like that
• 33:32
  shit holds on to energy too. It's true. Speaking of holding on to energy, it's time for some spooky stuff.
• 33:40
  Oh, so this is where we learn that everything is haunted forever. Everything is haunted forever.
• 33:50
  And so it's an old wood building. The floors creak. The piping is loud. The wind kind of whistles
• 34:03
  through the trees. And you know how it is. It probably gets through the windows and the little
• 34:08
  crevices and cracks making a bunch of noise everywhere. So noisy. So there's that kind of stuff going
• 34:14
  on. The staircases and hallways are apparently narrow and dimly lit. It kind of like kind of like
• 34:23
  the man race a, called man race a castle that went to like the hallways and stairways were like
• 34:30
  narrow, dimly lit, very creepy, spooky vibes. And I read in one person's blog that there was a random
• 34:40
  window to nowhere in the hallway ceiling. I'm sorry what? Yeah. And I think it was like that. It
• 34:46
  must have been the top floor because it said no light came from it and it looked like it was the attic.
• 34:52
  So like there was like a window to the attic in the hallway ceiling. I don't know. Yeah, I also don't
• 35:02
  know. Like any more details. Is this like maybe they were fixing something and so they cut a hole
• 35:07
  out and it's like they put some plexiglass over it to that. I don't know. What that sounds like
• 35:15
  in unintentional skylight like right to the attic. I don't I don't know. I don't know why. I don't
• 35:26
  even know if this is true. It's just something I ran someone's blog. Well, I guess we have to go. We
• 35:31
  have to go. We have to go. But what if they fixed it? I want creepy windows into the attic. God for bed.
• 35:39
  They do have one ghost. Just like a singular ghost. Just one ghost.
• 35:49
  One ghost that is talked about anyway. There might be other things around but they're not like
• 35:57
  really mentioned. I don't think. All right. And like I said, every haunted place has to have this
• 36:07
  one ghost or it just isn't haunted and they listened. Okay. This is a woman in white situation. Again.
• 36:16
  Or some people actually call her the blue lady. So I guess she appears blue sometimes. Oh,
• 36:23
  interesting. And no one actually like called her the woman in white. They just call her Elizabeth.
• 36:28
  That's her name. It's just like this is like the woman in white. Stereo. Do we know how she spells
• 36:35
  Elizabeth normally? The normal way. Which is not Caitlin's middle name. That's the normal way.
• 36:48
  Is your middle name spelled that way? I don't know because you won't tell me how it's spelled.
• 36:54
  Oh, how is yours? It's spelled Elizabeth. I don't know how do you spell Elizabeth differently than
• 36:58
  a L-I-Z-A-B-F. Okay. Some people spell it with an S instead of the Z. Oh, I've never seen that before.
• 37:08
  Sorry. Oh yeah. It's just like it's like the normal way. I don't know what you're talking about. I was like
• 37:13
  like trust me. My name is Elizabeth. I know that people spell it other way. I was like this isn't a
• 37:19
  Caitlin situation. I'm like, I mean it isn't. I guess I've never seen Elizabeth spell it. I don't know
• 37:27
  that. Never encountered that. Like people have fully been like, oh, you spell it that way? Weird.
• 37:34
  Elizabeth was on her honeymoon with her new husband. On her honeymoon? On her honeymoon. God damn it.
• 37:43
  In room 310 of the chateau in the 30s. So like right after they opened on their wedding night,
• 37:50
  he got into some shady shenanigans with a housekeeper. What? Yeah, this piece of shit.
• 37:57
  A bunch of boys. Well. So other things. Yeah, other other other sad things.
• 38:08
  So she went looking for him because it's like it's their wedding night. Like where did he go? And she
• 38:14
  found them together. So like did he know this housekeeper? And like that's like why he wanted to stay on
• 38:21
  his honeymoon there? Was it just like I need something else to like stick my dick in right now?
• 38:27
  I mean he's probably just a scoundrel. It's like it's your honeymoon. You have like you have some
• 38:32
  that's what they're there for. I mean, I just have to do it on your honeymoon. But like yeah, I don't
• 38:36
  know. Yeah, no, that's maybe she said no, maybe she was tired and he just went off and was a dick bag.
• 38:43
  I don't know. Like an entire bag of dicks. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, that's awful. And obviously,
• 38:51
  Elizabeth was heartbroken and her life had just started and she thought like you know, this is
• 39:00
  the beginning of my fucking life. And then yeah, I'm ripped away from her. Oh, by such a dick. I'm so
• 39:07
  frustrated by such a bag of dicks. Even though I know it's allegedly. I don't know. But still,
• 39:14
  this happens. It would make me mad. I feel like even if it didn't happen here and now like it's
• 39:23
  happened. Like under these specific parameters or circumstances, you know that that legend comes to
• 39:32
  life for a reason. Yeah. Cosmen. I know. Cosmen. Cosmen are what? Trash. Trashpin. We should have that on
• 39:41
  every altar. Yeah, we'll just slap it on there. So Elizabeth ran to their small top room floor,
• 39:50
  which is like another weird thing someone pointed out is like, why were they in this tiny like
• 39:55
  attic room for their honeymoon? Because of the view. Right. I don't know. I don't know. Like,
• 40:00
  there were bigger rooms. I'm sure. Maybe. I just really hate having to keep saying this over and over
• 40:08
  with this type of story. But some people might be new to go stuff. So I don't want to just like
• 40:15
  say, you know what happens? Because maybe you don't. So I mean, don't you know,
• 40:19
  don't you? You're a close story as you might not know. Are you? Are you new to earth?
• 40:25
  Maybe. Maybe. Okay. That's fair. She might be. I don't want to make aliens feel weird. Yeah.
• 40:33
  Okay. What if an alien is listening to us and you just you just offended the shit out of them?
• 40:39
  I apologize. I got you. So she either ran up to the room so devastated that she felt like she had
• 40:48
  no other choice but to jump from the window to her death. Oh my god. He's so not worth it. I know. But
• 40:56
  like, you know, how was and I would say like there is another option. But like back then and even now
• 41:02
  it's like a really hard choice. I mean, also just the devastation. And like, you know, that was her
• 41:07
  that was the beginning of her life. Like she thought it was going to be one way and then now it's all
• 41:12
  the same. Not in you're just, I don't know, you could be impulsive and it's really. Did you, did
• 41:19
  you pick this one because? No, I didn't pick it. I picked it because they need donations. That's
• 41:26
  so funny because I definitely picked a case specifically because of the timing. Oh, and I'm,
• 41:36
  I'm gonna fuck raise up with it. Yeah, I kind of joked about picking like honeymoons and wedding
• 41:41
  stuff but I didn't mean to. It just happened. No, yeah, truly. Yeah, I was like, I mean, I've had
• 41:48
  this case saved for a while. I guess things just come into a lapse. Just happens like with all the
• 41:56
  bear themes. We don't know where it comes from. They'll just show up in all the stories. I mean,
• 42:00
  like you can't make that up. I could not have known that that one guy was like a bear hunter.
• 42:05
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• 42:47
  But back to sad stuff. Oh, right. So either way she passed away, either if she did it on her own or
• 42:59
  there's another version of the story is that she went up just to pack her things and leave and he
• 43:05
  pushed her. Okay, so it's definitely like an out the window scenario. Okay. Yeah. On the top floor
• 43:14
  of the Chateau, guess sometimes here, let's steps above them. But again, like it's either the attic
• 43:23
  or like the roof above you on the top floor. So there shouldn't be any footsteps. Back there.
• 43:30
  Just be like raccoons, right? I mean, I guess. Yeah. But I think with the building being so old and
• 43:38
  all of the noises that it makes that the footsteps would have to be like pretty clear. And
• 43:45
  people also hear not just footsteps, they hear crying sounds. Oh great. So of like maybe a one
• 43:54
  of many or possibly a child, but probably a young woman. Cool. Guess and staff who have ran into
• 44:03
  Elizabeth spirit say that she's like not very nice. Oh, which like, yeah, I wouldn't be
• 44:13
  really when I like that. But she kind of ended her life in a terrible way after ending her marriage
• 44:20
  for a trash and a whole way. So I, you know, I probably wouldn't be the happiest either. Yeah, I mean,
• 44:27
  I feel like that's fair. Yeah. But I do have some great news for you. Okay. I really do. This is
• 44:33
  actually really good news. I mean, first of all, I don't believe you, but go on. No, it's so we can't
• 44:38
  stay here because they say that if someone checks into Elizabeth's room, 310, that you won't be
• 44:48
  getting a ghostly bunk mate. Because she will leave the room. If someone's in there, she doesn't
• 44:55
  want to be around it. People she's like, oh, she goes and she wanders the halls of the hotel.
• 45:04
  So, you know, once you're in the room to stay in there, don't leave and she won't bother you.
• 45:08
  Okay. But one place she does like to frequent is the third floor linen closet.
• 45:15
  And people say, they hear the hear sounds of moaning and crying coming from inside. Oh, no.
• 45:23
  So I don't know if maybe the moaning sounds are like her husband and the housekeeper doing it.
• 45:32
  And then she finds them and she starts crying or maybe the moaning is like the crying and she's
• 45:39
  just hiding in the closet because she doesn't know where else to go or I don't know. But that would
• 45:44
  make sense for like the housekeeper to be doing it in a linen closet. I hate that. I hate it. I hate it so much.
• 45:53
  But you don't have any reason to go in the linen closet. So you don't have to worry. We'll just
• 45:57
  worry now I have to because I just need to check. I have to know. She does also like to spend time
• 46:10
  terrorizing the kitchen. Here she likes to drop stuff on staff's heads.
• 46:16
  Rude. Paying special attention to the people who don't believe in or disrespect her in some way.
• 46:24
  Okay, well, I mean, that makes sense, but also still. Rude. Like don't, don't fuck with the ghost.
• 46:30
  Yeah, just be nice. There are people too, okay. One of these days, I'm totally going to die at the
• 46:39
  hands of a ghost that my future husband mocked. I'm going to die because of something supernatural.
• 46:49
  The Christopher was like, baby, baby, baby, baby. Okay. Well, we can't take him with us. No.
• 46:54
  We don't want stuff dropped on our heads. I don't.
• 46:58
  She also bangs pots and pans and rattles doors in the middle of the night.
• 47:05
  I'm glad you finished that sentence. She bangs and pans. She bangs. I really wasn't sure where that was
• 47:13
  going. Okay, now we're just going to go to the shuttle and sing she bangs to Elizabeth and hope she doesn't
• 47:22
  hate us. I think she would like that. She, like, it's a coin toss. I don't know. Maybe she never did get to
• 47:29
  bang. Oh, no. Our situation. That's true. I didn't mean it a list of it. I'm so sorry. I beg, I beg.
• 47:40
  Yeah. We bang. We bang. Collectively. Join us if you wish and no judgements either way.
• 47:48
  So I don't know why she bangs on pots and pans and stuff. But I'm like, what if she's just
• 47:54
  celebrating the new year or COVID health care workers? Maybe time's just a little different for her.
• 48:03
  I'm trying to think of other occasions when you bang pots and new years and to celebrate COVID health
• 48:10
  care workers. That's it. That is it. Yeah. Like this definitely was before COVID. The time would have to
• 48:17
  work really different in the afterlife. So we don't know. They caught some photo evidence of Elizabeth
• 48:23
  in a storage area of the lodge. I don't know if it's the linen closet. They just set a storage area.
• 48:29
  But I like to think maybe it was the linen closet. It's the linen closet. And the photo used to be kept
• 48:35
  in a hauntings log at the front desk. Shut the fuck up. I don't know if they still would do that or not.
• 48:41
  Shut the actual front door. Yeah. I know. I didn't find the photo. So that would be cool if I had it,
• 48:47
  right? But I don't. But they say it. But they say that when she appears, she's obvious. She looks
• 48:55
  really sad, which is understandable. Yeah. And she looks innocent. She looks young. She has blonde
• 49:04
  curly hair. I don't why they say she looks innocent. Maybe because she's just like a young person.
• 49:11
  Because they're like she was on her honeymoon. Yeah. And the groom was, you know,
• 49:15
  fangin' it out with more innocent than that guy. Oh, and she's wearing clothes that are like of the
• 49:22
  30s in the photo that they caught her in. They die for her. And people see her. And a little girl that
• 49:32
  was a guest at the chateau left an interesting crayon drawing in the haunting log. Stop it.
• 49:40
  Elizabeth, she likes to make things a little bit difficult for the housekeepers.
• 49:49
  And I can't imagine why. Yeah. I mean, what? Why would she have a, what's that called? You have a grudge
• 49:57
  or grudge against the housekeepers. I just, I don't know why. Yeah. She will again bang. She,
• 50:04
  you know what? I just thought of this. She does bang. She probably doesn't know bang like this.
• 50:10
  She probably knows bang as like. So if we sang she bangs her, she would be like, yeah.
• 50:16
  She bangs. I do bang. And she would say bang on stuff. Yeah. That's how we're gonna go,
• 50:21
  so we're just gonna sing Ricky Martin songs out loud to the go. Again, she bangs on the closet doors
• 50:28
  while the housekeepers are trying to clean. So she just, she keeps bangin' on shit. Yeah. Well, I mean,
• 50:34
  that's fair. And then she's gonna stop there. Because once they finish and lock the door behind
• 50:39
  them, she will make the beds, unfold the towels and toss them around the room. She like is pissed off
• 50:47
  at the housekeepers. Like nod shy about that. That is not the same girl. That is not the same girl.
• 50:55
  Like you need to let it go. You mean she's just, yeah. She's going through some stuff. That is the
• 51:02
  definition of a grudge. Yeah, it really, really is. But I thought person, I thought person's not
• 51:10
  around anymore. That's what I'm saying. I wonder if she still worked at the hotel after and like she
• 51:16
  did fuck with her after. And then I don't know. I'm curious. We need to go ask her. So I also do have to
• 51:25
  say that there are no official records of any deaths in the building. So I do want to say that
• 51:32
  just to everyone knows, isn't this in a fairly like isolated or burrow location? Yeah. Interesting.
• 51:42
  I don't know. I don't know what happened back in the 30s. I don't want to play them on anybody.
• 51:47
  No one does. Yeah. No one knows that happens. It's kind of the whole thing. All I'm saying is there's no
• 51:53
  record of it. So take that as you will. I went to website national parks travelers dot org and
• 52:04
  it is not org of the same. Okay. National parks traveler dot org. And there's a person's comment on
• 52:12
  here and they didn't know about the ghost hack for this place that I found for you, Caitlin. A ghost
• 52:18
  hack. Yeah, the ghost hack where you stay in Elizabeth's room. She leaves. Oh, that's the ghost hack.
• 52:26
  So this person didn't know that. Since 2012 they wrote this comment that the front desk checked
• 52:31
  them into room 310 and told them it was the haunted Elizabeth's room. So they went up to check
• 52:39
  it out and quickly came back down to change rooms. I they didn't say anything happened but I just
• 52:45
  think they didn't like want to stay in a haunted room. Okay. They said when they slept in this other room
• 52:54
  they got terrible sleep. And then the staff told them that there was an entity in that room that
• 53:01
  torments people. Oh, I don't know if this is like a different entity or if this is Elizabeth and
• 53:08
  she's not in her own room. She's often like someone else's room. Yeah. I don't know. They should have
• 53:14
  stayed. They should have stayed with the devil, you know, you know. I think so. Especially since now we
• 53:22
  know in hindsight that room 310 is probably the best place to stay if you don't want activity.
• 53:29
  I mean, I guess there was another comment on this website. My late spouse, Lauren Parton and I stayed
• 53:39
  at the chateau in the 1980s. We read and heard nothing about any haunting, which was it was the 80s.
• 53:47
  I don't know. Do they really like report on like haunted stuff that? I feel like it was mostly like
• 53:53
  urban legends and myths. You know, red it wasn't around to, right? But so the story hadn't gotten
• 53:59
  to them yet. Okay. They go on to say, we can up in the middle of the night, we heard a woman pacing
• 54:05
  in our room up and down, up and down. Oh boy. Until we finally returned to sleep.
• 54:11
  When we reported this the next morning, our breakfast server asked if we wanted to see something
• 54:18
  really spooky. Nope. All good. I said yes. And this is not me. They said yes. Oh boy. He took me to what
• 54:27
  I recall as a light-filled room without furniture. The hotel never rented. The moment he opened the door,
• 54:35
  I was frozen in terror. I couldn't even enter the room. Everyone responds the same way, he said,
• 54:42
  closing the door. Other servers said that they have to duck when cutlery sometimes flies
• 54:50
  from the drawers when they set the breakfast tables. Believe me, this is no publicity stunt. I mean,
• 54:58
  the place isn't even open at this point. So why would they even need a publicity stunt? Okay.
• 55:05
  We're going to go on to another story that was submitted in 2021. Obviously they weren't staying
• 55:10
  there in 2021 because the hotel was closed. It says, I had written a long story and it disappeared.
• 55:17
  What? Not surprising. So they had already commented a story and it's gone. Oh yeah. So I wonder if
• 55:26
  they had commented when it originally had happened. I don't know. I have pictures of Elizabeth in room
• 55:33
  309. No, you don't. Nope. Nope. So Elizabeth's room is 310. But remember, I said that she leaves.
• 55:42
  So maybe she went to 309 because she won't go a sleep gap. Remember, we talked about that too.
• 55:49
  Oh jeez. She just needs some ghostly gab in her life and I get it. Also, we should just start a
• 55:58
  podcast called ghostly gab ghostly gab. I love that. Oh yeah. I don't know how much more
• 56:06
  ghostyness I can handle. Well, we could start this. Someone else can host it. And then we'll just
• 56:12
  get the profits. Yeah. GM GM. So Elizabeth apparently is talking to this person because they say
• 56:24
  she told me she had just married her husband because she was pregnant. I have three photos of Elizabeth
• 56:31
  materializing. The sadness will remain until she and her child are acknowledged somehow. Oh.
• 56:37
  So there's no record or any other story saying she was pregnant, but I guess this person is kind of
• 56:43
  like psychic or can talk to the dead and they somehow got from her that she was with child. So that
• 56:50
  makes the story even more sad and fucked up. And I want to believe that's not true. Yeah. That's
• 56:57
  awful. How do you cheat on your pregnant new wife? Wow. Gosh. Like you are a double dirt bag
• 57:04
  dick. And real. DDD. I'm next. I'm going to read a comment from your ghost stories.com. And this
• 57:14
  is from 2016. Coming to the chateau, I knew nothing of its history. Y'all need to just look up
• 57:21
  haunted hotels before you go anywhere. I mean, or just look up at places that you're going to stay.
• 57:26
  Yeah. Even if you aren't quite sure that they're haunted. Just type in the place and then haunted
• 57:32
  after it just to make sure, you know, or you know, maybe just like try going beyond like the hotels
• 57:38
  actual like their website in the search result. Yeah. What if there's other stuff that's happened
• 57:44
  there? Like maybe it's not haunted, but what if there's other stuff you should know about? That's true.
• 57:48
  All my whole family knew was it was a really old hotel by the Oregon Caves. Which it is. That is true.
• 57:57
  Since the moment we walked in and checked in, I felt uncomfortable. I couldn't tell you why, but I
• 58:03
  felt there was someone there everywhere. Taking time to explore, I would walk around the lobby, upstairs
• 58:12
  from the dining room. Everything was normal and busy, but no matter how hard I tried, I could never sit
• 58:19
  by walk by or stand by the piano without getting chilled. That's so funny because as soon as you said
• 58:26
  everywhere, I was like Michelle Branch. Oh. She plays the piano. I'm just saying coincidence.
• 58:38
  I think no. I think so. The feeling I kept getting every time I was around or in the chateau made me
• 58:46
  uncomfortable enough to beg my parents to leave and not stay the night. Wow. Yeah, you make that
• 58:51
  whole trip up there. You're not leaving. Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, you'd have to be really uncomfortable.
• 58:57
  Yeah. And it's like out there. Like if you look it up, it's quite a way, like a drive from the main
• 59:03
  town that's close by. So yeah, you're not leaving. There's no where else to stay. No. You stay in the cave?
• 59:08
  Oh my god. No. The bad apartment. That night when I went to bed in my room, in my own room.
• 59:17
  I was 12 at the time. No matter how hard I tried, I couldn't get to sleep. The whole night, I just kept hearing
• 59:23
  the couple upstairs. Okay. Yelling at each other, stomping around and slamming doors.
• 59:30
  Were they stomping or were you 12 and you didn't know what those voices were? I don't know.
• 59:36
  When I talked to my parents the next morning about it, they told me they hadn't heard a thing.
• 59:44
  This being hard to believe because the couple was so loud. Oh boy. Chocking it up to maybe my imagination
• 59:52
  in a dream I made to match my uneasy feelings. I think the parents were too embarrassed. I think
• 1:00:01
  they did hear something and they were like, we didn't hear anything because we don't want to explain
• 1:00:10
  those voices. Well, I don't think they were sex noises. Well, we'll talk about it. That was my favorite
• 1:00:20
  theory. Or yeah, we'll go over it. It's kind of my only theory. So, well, I have one.
• 1:00:26
  My family and I brushed the incident off. As we were checking out, my dad who loves to share
• 1:00:35
  began retelling my tale to the receptionist who began to laugh. She just mentioned that the
• 1:00:41
  chateau was known for being haunted, which they didn't know this previously. Okay, that's right.
• 1:00:48
  All right. The only thing that convinced my parents I wasn't dreaming was after leaving the chateau,
• 1:00:54
  we looked up the story and then found out the tale of Elizabeth in her estranged fiancee. I don't know.
• 1:01:02
  Which I think they were married. I think they're already married. Yeah, they're newlyweds. Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Right. Yeah. But you can see how overtime that sort of gets. It's like a game of time. Right.
• 1:01:12
  Right. Yeah. They're like married, engaged. Same thing. Tomato, tomato.
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  Whose room just happened to be beside mine? So, they were staying right next to Elizabeth's room.
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  So, my theory was that this was like the, them fighting about, you know, what had happened
• 1:01:38
  about him cheating on her and she was like, you a scoundrel. Yeah. He was like hearing the residual
• 1:01:43
  fight from that night. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Probably more sense than my theory, but like,
• 1:01:51
  I don't know. Because having angry sex, I don't know. They could have been still a residual
• 1:01:58
  haunting, fighting and having angry sex. Or maybe it's the sounds of him boning that housekeeper
• 1:02:05
  and then she'd find them and then they fight. Yeah. The wires or just like the wires got crossed
• 1:02:12
  and there's just like everything all of the events of that night just being funneled into
• 1:02:17
  well, all time is happening all at once. So, oh my god. Okay. I need some more. I'm just gonna say
• 1:02:25
  because anyone need a speaker drink for a drink. Alright, I have one more thing about the chateau
• 1:02:32
  and the caves. There's a recorded Bigfoot siding in the vicinity of the chateau. Really? Yes.
• 1:02:39
  There is a documentary from the dailycurrier.com on psychologist Matthew Johnson's Bigfoot siding
• 1:02:48
  at the Oregon caves. Really? Yes. Okay. And that's not just like any old yokel. I mean, he's a psychologist.
• 1:02:57
  Yeah. So that means he's like basically an expert in the outdoors. Yeah. You know?
• 1:03:02
  Just saying toast. Like, what are you gonna do when you find Bigfoot? Like, lay him on a couch and ask
• 1:03:13
  your about his childhood. I mean, maybe. I feel like I would. Why are you so anti-social? Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  You're very misunderstood. What would you like people to know about you? How do you feel about
• 1:03:28
  yeah? Anyway, that's possible. I guess. That was more Diane Sawyer than it was like psychologist, but
• 1:03:36
  yeah. You know, okay. Well, I know potato. I feel kind of bad. I'm not, I'm not like making fun of
• 1:03:41
  them. It's just like the situation about a psychologist. Like the fact that it's like a psychologist.
• 1:03:46
  Interesting. Yeah. But interesting. This man was actually kind of on the verge of tears talking
• 1:03:51
  about it because he was so scared witnessing what he thinks was Bigfoot. And he was like, everything I
• 1:03:59
  knew about the outdoors has like changed forever because of this thing I had witnessed that I previously,
• 1:04:05
  you know, didn't think was a thing that existed in the world and know what that does. Yeah. That does
• 1:04:11
  change your perception. I guess I didn't think about that. Yeah. It's kind of freaky. Yeah.
• 1:04:17
  There's also something called the Southern Oregon Bigfoot Experience. Okay. It's like a museum,
• 1:04:24
  like a Bigfoot Museum. Okay. That could be fun. I'm going. Okay. Now let's let's do. Let's go. We
• 1:04:31
  got to take another break. I have a name actually, but well, what if I tell you there's also Yeti's ice
• 1:04:39
  cream and treats in town? Wait, when they say Yadis, what are they? It's just the name of the ice
• 1:04:47
  cream place is Yadis. Yadis ice cream and treats. I was like, there's like a Yadis store and then also
• 1:04:53
  an ice cream shop. It's not like Yadis like your cups or, you know, but I was like, that's confusing
• 1:05:00
  in this context just because like Bigfoot and then we're talking about you, you get it. You get it.
• 1:05:05
  Yeah, but Yadis kind of like a big foot. It's like the same interchangeable, you know, that's what I
• 1:05:10
  was thinking. But Yadis are like in the snow. So it's like ice cream. Makes sense. Yes. Make
• 1:05:16
  a total sense. But they kind of, I think they should have named it Yadis ice cream and sweet treats.
• 1:05:23
  Because it just sounds like I keep wanting to say something more than treats. It just needs to be sweet
• 1:05:27
  treats, you know. They just go together. I like it. Well, anyway, that's my story and I think everyone
• 1:05:36
  should definitely go donate to the chateau to get this, get this lady rebuilt. Get her up and running
• 1:05:43
  again so we can stay in her gorgeousness. Give her a monterogical. Do you think we should do
• 1:05:54
  some tarot? Yeah. Let's do a little batty tarot. Yeah. Ooh. What does that entail? What's your
• 1:06:02
  batty shit? Batty shit. Let's get batty in this bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I went to shuffle and
• 1:06:13
  even though this deck is like the size of standard cards, um, had a couple of peppers there. So
• 1:06:22
  we've got two cards. We've laid out already on the altar and Cassie's, Cassie's wrapping up.
• 1:06:31
  We got the 10 of hearts in the two of diamonds as our poppers. All right. She's picking a card.
• 1:06:38
  Pick a card and he can't. Which card will it be? It's a frog. Okay. So I'm using not a tarot deck today,
• 1:06:48
  but I'm using a deck of cards called the cabinitarian. And it's like a weirdo creepy deck and we got it
• 1:07:00
  from the um hop scotch place in Portland. That's right. I knew I recognized her. Yeah. It's really cute.
• 1:07:08
  So the two poppers we had, Caitlin, do you want to read those first or should I? It's up to you.
• 1:07:15
  Let's, uh, let's, so I pulled a jack card or a Joker card. I was wondering if that's what it was.
• 1:07:24
  It has the pool. So I pulled the soul guard. I'm assuming because it has no label on it. So I'm assuming
• 1:07:32
  that that's it. All right. So lovely. Yeah. So we pulled the two of pentacles, which is diamonds,
• 1:07:39
  and then the 10 of cups, which is hearts. That's where my Nina second. That's fine.
• 1:07:47
  Because I'm a goldfish. Those are ones that fell out. Yeah. Okay. Catch two of pentacles. Our key
• 1:07:55
  words are balance, busyness, financial partnership, choices, ups and downs. Okay. Financial partnership.
• 1:08:06
  There are a need of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some decks picture a person juggling two pentacles,
• 1:08:15
  which represents juggling different facets of your life. You're trying to keep many balls in the air.
• 1:08:21
  So to speak. Sometimes this card indicates making a choice between two things.
• 1:08:27
  Like maybe your wife and a brand new mistress. Right. Yeah. That's true.
• 1:08:34
  Should I go with the upright? Because there's not really an upright versus reverse. And
• 1:08:43
  I mean, there kind of is on these because they have a picture, but I don't know what way they
• 1:08:47
  fell out. So we'll just go with upright. Yeah. That's kind of what I was thinking. And I think
• 1:08:53
  I think I pulled the Joker card because it's like a frog being dissected. Hold on. Let me look at it.
• 1:08:58
  It's such a cool picture. But I was like, which way? Because, oh, I guess probably this way. So I
• 1:09:05
  drew it in reverse. Okay. So you guys know I drew it this way. So it falls off the way. Okay.
• 1:09:11
  The upright too can mean good fortune as a result of your ability to handle many things at once.
• 1:09:18
  You manage to balance work and play and feel content with your situation.
• 1:09:25
  Sometimes it shows you have many resources at your disposal and know how to use them well.
• 1:09:31
  So donate with confidence. Yeah. I feel like, yeah, I feel like this is mostly about the money
• 1:09:38
  situation and the rebuilding stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Which I feel like that's typical of pentacles. Yeah.
• 1:09:43
  In a reading about money, the upright too may mean doubling your money. Oh, yeah. I hope so.
• 1:09:49
  Well, doubling it because they need to pay a lot more. Right.
• 1:09:53
  Perhaps by joining forces with a partner, you can profit more than you could alone.
• 1:10:02
  In some cases, this card indicates two sources of income. So maybe they're going to start doing some
• 1:10:08
  haunting, spooky, creepy tours. Oh, that's another source of revenue. Right. Just a suggestion.
• 1:10:15
  I mean, they do do all those capetors. Yeah. Do do. There you go. Do do.
• 1:10:19
  If the reading is about your job, the two can represent balancing work with downtime.
• 1:10:26
  You need both to stay happy and healthy. It can also indicate a busy period when you have to juggle
• 1:10:33
  projects or duties. Doodies. Sometimes it suggests choosing between two job offers or opportunities.
• 1:10:41
  Oh, okay. So I the duality of it, I feel like we can see there's applications. Yeah.
• 1:10:48
  Yeah, and I'm sure they're juggling like what project do you do first? Yeah.
• 1:10:52
  One's going to be more important to like, yeah, the building structure. Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  To any number of concerns that you would have in this case, in a reading about love, this card
• 1:11:05
  may represent shared resources or working with a romantic partner.
• 1:11:09
  I mean, all other situations. If you're hanging out together still in the afterlife and
• 1:11:17
  holding by the way. I feel like honestly, he wouldn't be there. I feel like it would just be the
• 1:11:23
  chicks. That would be the ones to stay because he would be like off somewhere else, bang,
• 1:11:27
  and someone else in the afterlife. So frustrating. Perhaps running a business together. It's us.
• 1:11:35
  So working together, running a business together. It can also mean you're trying to balance your work
• 1:11:41
  and domestic life. Sometimes it indicates a choice between two partners. I wonder if they're
• 1:11:48
  getting someone else to like own it with them, maybe who's bringing more of financial support.
• 1:11:54
  Yeah. I mean, I really know what's going on with them, but yeah, possible. We're like, we don't know
• 1:11:58
  them personally. We don't just just be clear. Maybe if you're listening, maybe you do need to
• 1:12:03
  get someone else to help own the property with you. Partnership. A little idea from tarot, not from us.
• 1:12:11
  So if it goes wrong, don't blame us. Hashtag not financially best.
• 1:12:15
  Okay. And then our other card, use a 10 of cups, which is that family card where there's like
• 1:12:26
  a house in the distance. There's like two children playing. So I feel like maybe it is going to get
• 1:12:33
  like built up nice and new where families are going to come and stay again and
• 1:12:37
  legislate. It's going to be a happy place. I hope so. With life, the Chateau.
• 1:12:42
  Okay. So our keywords are comfort, happiness, domestic bliss, love and harmony.
• 1:12:54
  Oh my god, you guys. Yeah. Did I even talk about the, I might have talked about the chairs,
• 1:12:59
  but this card is a chair. And I don't know if you remember, they have like the special old chairs
• 1:13:07
  that they lost most of them in the flood. And so they're trying to like get more and rebuild them
• 1:13:13
  the way that they were. And we got a freaking chair card. That is wild. How funny. That is wild.
• 1:13:19
  Okay. All right. A card of fulfillment, which is a good sign, positive. The 10 of cups
• 1:13:29
  represents a happy home, where love and harmony abide. Some decks show a contented couple
• 1:13:36
  gazing at their beautiful home while their children play. Others picture the pair with flowers,
• 1:13:42
  rainbows and other symbols of love and hope. You could think of this as the happy ever after card.
• 1:13:49
  Like other tens, this card signifies a time of completion.
• 1:13:56
  Yay. Yay. Hopefully soon. Yeah. 2025.
• 1:14:04
  When you read the rewards of what you've sewn, life is good. Abundance in the true sense of the
• 1:14:11
  word is yours. I can't even imagine that feeling when they do open back up. Yeah. All of the stuff
• 1:14:18
  that they have gone through, it's going to happen. The cards are saying it's happening. I think so.
• 1:14:23
  Yeah. I mean, like gosh. Okay. In a reading about money, you're in a position of financial
• 1:14:30
  security and comfort, maybe because you brought in a partner. It's hard to say. Are we the partners?
• 1:14:36
  Are we going to own half of this stuff? Your efforts pay off. Sometimes this 10 represents
• 1:14:43
  family money and inheritance or marrying into wealth. We should all be so lucky. Okay.
• 1:14:49
  If the reading is about your job, the upright 10 heralds rewards, respect and recognition.
• 1:14:58
  We're recognizing you. We see you. We see you, Chateau. You're proud of what you've accomplished
• 1:15:08
  and content with your success. Aw. Well, yeah. It's pretty easy to be content with success.
• 1:15:13
  Can confirm from that one time. This card can also mean working in a successful family business.
• 1:15:23
  It's talking, I feel like in both of these card interpretations about sort of like a partnership
• 1:15:30
  being involved in business with someone who's close to you. You're going to be a vibe here. It's
• 1:15:37
  cool. Yeah. They go together. I love it. In a reading about love, this card represents a loving,
• 1:15:44
  supportive, joyful relationship. It indicates a happy family life where the people involved
• 1:15:51
  share love openly and feel secure in their situation. Maybe it's going to flip the whole story of
• 1:15:59
  this place on a tad a little bit. There's probably going to be no more shitty dudes cheating on
• 1:16:04
  their newlywed wives with the housekeepers. Right. Because I bet you all of these housekeepers since
• 1:16:12
  have been like, "Uh-oh." No. We heard what happened to the other housekeepers. She got taken advantage
• 1:16:18
  of by this one guy and it'll never happen again. Not today, Satan. Yeah. It wasn't her fault. She got
• 1:16:25
  taken advantage of by this dickhole. Okay. But they learned from her, not her mistake, his mistake.
• 1:16:32
  Yeah. From the mistake. Yeah. They learned from that situation where people were hurt and feelings were
• 1:16:41
  abused and people were not happy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all the man's fault. Yeah.
• 1:16:49
  Smash the patriarchy. Where's my hammer necklace when I need it? Yeah. What are you going to do?
• 1:17:00
  Well, that's all I have for those two cards. Okay. Yeah. So let's go for the full reverse. I feel like
• 1:17:07
  these are more going to be the... Well, I was thinking about the ghost, but we'll see. We shall see.
• 1:17:14
  Okay. So keywords for the full innocence, beginnings, trust, hope, and opportunity. And I'm not going
• 1:17:25
  to read this crazy long intro on it because it describes mainly the traditional tarot and like
• 1:17:35
  that imagery. And also you guys, how many bajillions of times have we read that to you? Well, I can...
• 1:17:43
  I can picture. I do have something to say about the look of the card and then we can move on. But it's
• 1:17:48
  kind of like on like a rocky mountain side. Like a cliff. So like... That is. You know. There's probably a cave
• 1:17:54
  down at the bottom. Could be. Could be. I don't know. I like it. Wait. Hold on. Oh my god. I just remembered. My
• 1:18:02
  headphones were on the guys. Remember, I told you the story about how the cave was found by the man
• 1:18:08
  and his dog in the pool has a dog on it. It's like a man and his dog together in the wilderness.
• 1:18:15
  Okay. That's crazy. Mind a little bit flow. I'm so glad we're learning though because we... If we were
• 1:18:25
  just doing these cards because they don't have the normal imagery. Yeah. If we didn't have at least
• 1:18:29
  like the pool, it's kind of like an easy one to remember. But yeah. I'm glad we're learning because now we
• 1:18:34
  know like what the card should look like. We can relate it to the tarot print itself. I think a lot of
• 1:18:40
  this I don't really realize until in the moment. This is a really good. It's kind of a test, but it
• 1:18:47
  like in a less scary way. Like not when you try to go get your drivers for bit. You know. Yeah. Using the
• 1:18:53
  the deck that's not the usual tarot. Yeah. No things. Yeah. I feel like I'm absorbing more than I thought.
• 1:19:00
  We know things you guys. I'm so impressed with myself. I'm so glad even though we did this on a
• 1:19:07
  different day that I had recalled that story of the man and his dog finding the cave. That's so
• 1:19:12
  cool. I can't perfect remembered that. Me neither. Good for you. My brain is working. I love it.
• 1:19:20
  Okay. Interesting. If the pool is reversed, you may feel restless and bored. Eager to try something new.
• 1:19:30
  But now it's probably not the right time to act as it's your wedding night. Right. Or you're going
• 1:19:37
  out looking for a cave and you're looking for hunting and you find a bear cave. Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  I think of this as the don't quit your day job card. That's not to say what you want is wrong headed.
• 1:19:51
  But you need to consider the pros and cons carefully before you walk off that cliff.
• 1:19:56
  My other the other thing I was thinking of like when they started the construction of the building like
• 1:20:02
  they were just they knew they needed it because they're kind of like blindly going into all of these
• 1:20:07
  other things they didn't know were coming. Yeah. Oh boy. In reading about money, you may not have all
• 1:20:15
  the information you need to make a well-founded decision. And impulsive action could lead to a fall.
• 1:20:22
  Oh a fall like the like the whole building could fall down. Yeah.
• 1:20:26
  Someone may take advantage of your innocence. I mean I don't know. I feel it's pretty pointed.
• 1:20:34
  Yeah. Potentially of the wedding night. Yeah. The reverse fall can mean you're vacillating or overly
• 1:20:42
  cautious about money matters. If the reading is about your job, your current situation has probably
• 1:20:48
  led to a dead end or you've grown bored with your career path, you're on. It's time to strike out
• 1:20:55
  in a new direction. Don't do this hastily however. Gather information and explore possibilities.
• 1:21:02
  So you know some of the unexpected things I feel like you were talking about.
• 1:21:07
  Right. Or like with marrying someone I guess you don't really know because he turns out to be a
• 1:21:12
  dickhead. So maybe get all the dickhead information. Some more. Yeah. It's funny. You should say that.
• 1:21:18
  Yeah. I kind of was picking up a vibe here. Yeah. In a reading about love, this card can warn you to look
• 1:21:25
  more closely at a partner or relationship. Things may not be what you think. God damn it. I know. I
• 1:21:32
  don't like that. The reverse fall may also indicate the end of a relationship and greater freedom as a result.
• 1:21:40
  I mean, she was free. Yeah. Okay.
• 1:21:51
  Oh, okay. This feels kind of dark. I have chilees. Okay. I'm heave-dam-gee. I'm heave-dam-gee.
• 1:21:59
  Think before you act however, for you might regret a breakup undertaken hastily.
• 1:22:06
  I feel like you might regret a breakup with your own life taken hastily maybe. Yeah.
• 1:22:16
  Okay. Or on his side, like if he did push her out the window, like, you're gonna regret that, bro,
• 1:22:22
  because you I hope you went to hell. Yeah. Stay in hell and not the cool part. Like, okay, breakup,
• 1:22:28
  kind of an understatement in that case. Yeah. Okay. Well, that was really cool. I love it. God,
• 1:22:35
  I love it. We got the full card and then the freaking chair. Well, should we get out of here
• 1:22:39
  seeing you do your thing? Do my thing. She got a thing today. She was something to do. I like
• 1:22:45
  literally never have anything to do. No, it's usually me. I have a very important appointment.
• 1:22:51
  All right. Well, let's get her to it. All right. Have a creepy day. See you next Tuesday.
• 1:23:00
  Let's you get lost in a cave and lose matches and then lose a dog and don't say that. You have to
• 1:23:07
  live in a bear apartment forever. Oh, no. I mean, maybe it's snuggly. Did I mention I've a thing?
• 1:23:15
  Now I'm like, I'm gonna get lost. I don't like any of this. Don't get lost near any caves.
• 1:23:23
  I think I can manage that today. I hope. Bye.
• 1:23:33
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  It's a dumb joke. It's like delicate lady-like sensibilities. Yeah.
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