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The MLB Report with Paul Tipton & Will Retherford (2.316.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome baseball fans to the Central Indiana Sports Report for this week's MLB report with Paul Tipton and Will Rutherford here to do a few things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we'll talk a little about the all-star game since we haven't spoken since then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Reds cardinals over the weekend, my team versus Will's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But mostly, we are here to talk about the future and what to expect from the trade deadline and the second half of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I start real fast with the reds and cardinals will interesting series over the weekend, came down to extra innings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I gotta say the reds have some life that rotation every day they go out, they can get a win with when they're healthy, if they stay healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure the reds are completely out of it, but they probably are.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think both teams are out of it, to be honest with you, Greg, I mean, the Cardinals a lot better part of the last three weeks coming back from the All-Star Break has been which relievers gonna come and blow game, everybody's taken turns, they've jumped on the carousel.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just about what I thought they were gonna be, honestly, is how they've played the last
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[SPEAKER_02]: two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if they're offense, top fours and producing runs, they can't hit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And their bullpen is the worst in the MLB without question.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have nobody that they can rely on 7th, 9th inning, Riley O'Brien is the shakest closer that I have watched this season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just don't have a set up guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And to be honest with you, I'm not sure it gets better because I don't know that they have anybody worth
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[SPEAKER_02]: trading.
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[SPEAKER_02]: On their team, I mean, they've got talent, but it's not the talent you want to give up and trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah, it's a chain that they, you know, gave the reds three runs there on the top of the tent ending, but that's what Matt's Fonson does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He comes in and blows games, and there's a reason he's got a seven plus ERA.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you're at that point, and you're a manager half into a rely on that guy, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get you out of the inning where you already have a runner on second base, sister rescue for the disaster and the red took advantage of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul, I got to see since the all star break, I know it hasn't been very long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reds have looked kind of like the team I was expecting before the season and early day lacrosse every time he puts his bat on the ball, it just goes very far and very hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and that's what we've been looking for for him for a couple of years now and just look like to me and the cardinal series started to see some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 6 and 4 in their last 10 that's not set in the world on fire, but it does show some life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew Will was going to be upset when they lost the series to the reds in St. Louis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the nationals would be surprised to hear that the Cardinals have the worst bullpen in baseball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I would.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Cardinals are the worst bullpen in the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, George Sorion comes in the seventh inning gives up a two-run bomb.
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[SPEAKER_02]: remedially gives up a walk and then it's like every walk that this cardinal steam has in the later and they come back to score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's it's just rinse wash repeat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's every night.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I sit and I watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to stab my eyeballs out because they're getting paid a lot of money and I get that, you know, offenses are
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[SPEAKER_02]: built to score runs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am aware that that is the object of the game and that pitchers truthfully should be at a disadvantage in most situations.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't feel that way in the modern MLB, but it can be.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the same point, I'd like to get paid a million dollars to go out and just success every other day out of the bullpen too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'd love that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can do that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can go do what they're doing right now, and if I can do it then it's time that you ship up or you ship out, you get DFA, they have nobody in Memphis that can they can bring up out of the bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They've they've resolved all of those issues because everybody was like, oh, let's get rid of a couple guys we've got two in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Memphis that are worthy of MLB and both of them have seven plus ERAs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it goes to show you the the difference of baseball, the AAA level to the MLB level and I'm just I wish that I could be a subpar bullpin arm in today's MLB because you can get paid a fair amount of money to basically just be a liability for your team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Having a bad bullpin is the worst.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like watching an NFL team
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[SPEAKER_02]: you're in a felting when they can't stop their own.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just deflating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You watch it and you just have no morale.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's a two-two game and the top of the seventh, you see that bullpen gate after your starter shoved for six innings.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Open up and you're like Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly what happens under.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you're kidding me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is who we're going with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reds bullpin, I've always thought, has the arms to be a pretty good bullpin, and has started to look pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, I'm not saying the reds are making the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mostly give an up hope on that, but I've starting to see some signs of a team that I like watching, which I haven't been able to say most of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I enjoyed this series over the weekend, except for Saturday of course.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's better than you guys say and sell sell the team, which was your mantra last podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still would like them to sell the team, but I wouldn't remind them being a seller here at the trade deadline as long as there is a direction behind it because louder burns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are just going to get better if they're going to
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[SPEAKER_00]: just have a great rotation here in the future if they can put some pieces around and get rid of some of this quadruple a talent that they have, they might have a future here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been saying this for 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Are the Cardinals going to sell too?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were going to sell even if they weren't a wild card spot, honestly, because I just I think they came into the season believing that they were in a rebuild for all of the MLB pundits out there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it always in baseball to trade deadline is where your team is right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's always.
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[SPEAKER_02]: the best idea to just say, we're, you know, sellers, the whole season, even if our team comes out and overperforms, but I expect them to stay and put and they're going to ship off what they can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully, you recruit, but solid AA prospect who can maybe be worth something in a couple years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to point out Paul that six and four would be the second best record in the national league behind the braves over the last 10 games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not setting the world on fire, but I just want to point that out and speaking of which, has any team ever played their way out of playoff position faster than the marlins?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my gosh, this is my notes to you guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to take the opportunity to offer my heartfelt apologies to all the socks, red socks and white socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Will's been telling me about both those teams, but I have been very skeptical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But turning to the marlins, they owe me an apology because just when I thought that team was for real, they dropped off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, they should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Phillies are starting to become a team that's going to owe me an apology to they've had their opportunity and I don't know what they're doing right now they're losing to the marlins right now as we speak.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I thought the marlins were always fool's goal but they just don't have enough offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's great, you know, I love the auto low pass is hitting 330 but when you only have like five home runs it doesn't really mean anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: mean that I'd rather have a guy that's hit 35 home runs and has a 370 on base person and even if they're batten to 50 because I think that's more valuable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just I mean a single is walk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It means the exact same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know that everybody will tell me it's not it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what doesn't matter how you get on base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You still run and that's if you're Edward isn't a power bat either a Kyle Stowers is really just kind of
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[SPEAKER_02]: been what they needed him to be, but it was, I think, um, burst onto the scene after his injury played really well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe starting to sputter just a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the marlins are a team that if they can, you know, continue to build this roster, they've got
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[SPEAKER_02]: got good players in the right spots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just, they need more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're going to be sellers too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I fully expect that they will try to ship off the pitching is what they do every year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have, they have great pitching that adults pitching well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they become a quadruple a affiliate for the rest of the league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Will, as someone who watched Joey Vado in the 2020 playoffs, walk about eight times when all we needed was a base hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if there's no runners on this, there's no, you can make correct, let's think about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk socks, guys, because, uh, I think the white socks are going to run away with that division will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate to say, I told you guys so, but I thought that they were better than anybody predicted them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did not think that more combo would be this good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If I'm being completely up front and honest,
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[SPEAKER_02]: But he has been.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Colson Montgomery last year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He got called up in June.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He looked the part last year almost in eight hundred OPS.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He hit 20 home runs.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the pride of Southridge Indiana.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So good for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that this socks team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: if they just had good pitching they would run away with this division that's just kind of been there clearly see I think they're open as much to prove Miguel Vargas I think is found himself in the spot where he could play the rest of his career in Chicago it seems to be a good ballpark for his swing I think he's a guy that
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[SPEAKER_02]: is a very valuable player with his ability to get on base.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I like their top four in their lineup.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they are really a young team who is ascending to a team that is threatening.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't expect that they'll be big buyers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're going to be probably trying to get affordable arms that can add some level of a three to a four starter in their rotation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, if you have enough of those guys and they get hot at the right time, you could find yourself win in a series in October.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Paul, I'm curious to hear as in depth as you have knowledge on there, I know it's hard to cover all 30 teams.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think the red socks fair in the rest of the season regarding the division?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think that, I mean, I think they're comfortably a wildguard team now, but they're only seven and a half out and they're awfully hot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when they didn't make believers of maybe for the ulcer break with the nine game winning streak, but when they went, um, when they beat Tampa
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[SPEAKER_01]: bay four games in a row, two of them very convincingly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, and then they get clutch hitting too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a headscratcher, um, sunny gray with the reds showed great flashes of greatness and, um, with some other teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's done with the Yankees, but, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There he is helping the red socks and they're scoring just enough runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I still say whatever was going on with them in the first in April might still happen to them again, but I'm starting to doubt it now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like it looks like they could challenge the Yankees and Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me tell you one thing I learned about sunny gray as a reds fan is I think the reason sunny gray is good is because he always believes he is the best picture on the planet no matter what the situation no matter what is he are as he goes on on the mound every night and believes he is the best picture who ever lived well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish he could have been better in St. Louis and been a lot more fun.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he is a type of pitcher that his best stuff is low grade ace level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is definitely solid too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand this connolly early trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can somebody, I guess, Greg or Paul explain that to me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The reason I asked that Paul about Connelly early was just you have a left handed 24 year old who is a career 126 ERA plus these 26% above league average and you trade them for Curtis meet good hitter 133 OPS plus 33% better than your average player but I would have read socks in that much need of
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[SPEAKER_02]: Hitting that they go and give up a potential ace in their future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Red Sox fans are upset about it and I can't really blame them because it seems like given up a good arm for Curtis Meade is a short-sighted and not real good in the short run either, I don't think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's a career 709 hitter.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know why he's having a good year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's having a great year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not taking out away from him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got some positional versatility plays everywhere in the infill except shortstop, but that Connelly earlier, he felt like an extension worthy pitcher at this point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe lock him up for five, six years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pay him slightly above the average and you might have yourself a steel in three years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't be a clubhouse issue being that young and being a pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't imagine if he is, I haven't heard anything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's, I just, I was just curious.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was just very surprising to me this early before the deadline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, it's just, he would have taken the ball in a playoff series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a five game playoff series.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably starting game two.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe game three depends on if they want to go a sunny gray or him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Based on the matchup, I'm a redress war as I think it's probably getting the ball game one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just have to find good left handed pitching young.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he was a win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He pitched in the playoff last year because the Yankees and pitched
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[SPEAKER_01]: He might be 24, but he's proven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I never know what the red socks are doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the stuff that they do doesn't make any sense to me, but then they win 15 straight games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: While the marlins decide to lose 12 straight games, crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our guys, I just need to know if there's a move that's out there to be made, a player or a team that could fill a hole that is going to make a difference here in the postseason in October.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next six days could be a crucial six days in the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: agreed and I think it's the two top story seem to be are the tigers are going to let go of a school we've been asking that question all along since they've under performed and Mason Miller it seems like this the Padre's probably I would recommend that they
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[SPEAKER_01]: try to get something for Mason Miller, and that would be a key addition to any team that picked them up, even if they weren't, even if Closer wasn't their number one, they can see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't have enough pitching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see that many bats out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Shade Langelears was on the block, and then he got hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw the latest thing was like CJ Abrams is a big talk, and I don't know why the
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[SPEAKER_01]: rid of him, do you guys know?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't see the Nationals as a team that's going to be willing to pay Abrams and Wood 200 million plus and I think they're going to probably make their decision there and he's got two years of control left.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They get the most return from him now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's sure cited.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that the trade Turner trade they made years ago came back to the backfire tremendously.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think when you get young talent that's truly
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[SPEAKER_02]: Game changing talent you got to keep them you've got why are you owning a team if you're not willing to make them the best team possible is what I don't understand So giving James Wood and CJ Abrams a big contract.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's what they did with Harper.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what they did with the tray turner You know, that's what they went and got Max Scherzer for when Steven Straussburg was at his best
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[SPEAKER_02]: just seems dumb to me, this never works out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It never works out to trade a player like this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the team that gives up the players to get them that really reap the reward when they're, you know, one of the best hitters in the league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can't hire, I mean, if you can't keep both those guys, then how are you ever gonna say we wanna division winner on the field?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who else is good on that team?
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, you can't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So your jersey sales, your advertising, your ballpark promotions, their tied to those two players.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are the only two players truly to me that are game-choney.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Connelly early is now a player that is going to be up there with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If the nationals were going to run a billboard for next season right now, they'd have Connelly early, James Wood and CJ Abrams on it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why trade a player like that away that's what if you can't figure the money out then sell your team It's just then you're you're not enriching the game and all you're taking from it I think that's a big issue.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that I think you need ownership that's willing to spend the money to make their team better because I don't want to see the pod rays go get them I don't want to see the Dodgers trading game and then they have truly a super team like that's the stuff I don't want the Yankees to get them like it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You just
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[SPEAKER_02]: you don't want the rich to continue to get richer and I feel like if if the nationals make the decision to trade him that's what's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: could be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The talent pool for trade line just seems a little thin right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean Louie's a rise is probably going to leave the giants and help a team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He can help a team but he's a singles guy and I, you know, I don't know who needs that the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess so I'll report somebody's talking about Francisco Lindor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if that's what we're talking about for top name interest, then I'm not sure what's out there exactly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, if you subscribed to the Greg Mingal theory of baseball that he just said earlier, sometimes in the playoff series and you need a single, and I think Louisa Reyes can give that to you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really not going to walk.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you need a single, I'm not sure there's a better guy out there on the mark, it'll get than Louisa Reyes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that he can help Hunter Goodman from the Rockies, if you like, if a team really wants to make a big splash and prove their catcher position offensively, he seems like somebody to me that is worthy of giving up a high paycheck to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could see it a trade and extension for him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I do always worry with the Colorado players, you know, are the offensive stats inflated because of the home ball park.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How does he, if you bring him to a league average ball park, he's still putting up the numbers that he would be, I can, you know, look, and that's the beautiful thing about the internet is that you can see that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'll answer my own question here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: While you guys deliberate something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hey, guys, uh, what's up with the Seattle Mariners?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They need to do, they need to do some soul search and man, oh man, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go
20:47
[SPEAKER_02]: I just want George Kirby one time to just be consistent.
20:51
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like he goes out and he shoves one game and then he'll look and he's given up eight runs in four innings of work the next as a fantasy owner of his that does frustrate me awful lot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And as a fan of baseball, Greg, I don't think they're pitching staff can improve that much.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Where are they going to truly get better Brian Wu is an ace,
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[SPEAKER_02]: George Kirby really good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they still have some issues with Bryce Miller and Luis Castillo that they need to get figured out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that I think there's some toxicity in that locker room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: in the clubhouse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had that's felt off since May when they were, you know, piggybacking off of each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think either one of them really wanted that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They need to get rid of none of them back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He was the stall ward their lineup at the lead off spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's been hurt for three months.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Just playing awfully well before he was injured.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody they need back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think to really elevate their roster even more.
21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Austin hedges says that nobody likes a Josh Naylor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that exchange?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I did couple weeks ago.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I know nobody likes you.
22:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the problem.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we should just combine our last two conversation threads and put them together and get Hunter Goodman over to the Mariners and see if he can direct the pitching and also help the club score some runs.
22:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, Paul, I'm sorry.
22:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't know you, are we forgetting about like the world's greatest catcher.
22:24
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Cal Raleigh.
22:25
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, everyone's called disguise the future of the catching position.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It was last year.
22:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, I'm calling huge bullshit on last year.
22:35
[SPEAKER_02]: I just absolutely, you called it the whole time, too.
22:39
[SPEAKER_02]: You can't hit 60 home runs and bat below 200 the next year.
22:44
[SPEAKER_02]: It didn't bear seeing it in the fact that we treated him last year like he was in Messiah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not.
22:50
[SPEAKER_02]: He was I I don't know why you ever pitch to him That's what I never understood if the dude just gonna crank home runs just welcome correct He's at below average base runner and He's not gonna kill you on the base baths because their offense isn't good enough to get him back in Randy your rosarena not necessarily been
23:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Now I should say that he's been pretty good using all star, you know, but I do think that he came to see out of with his expectation that he was going to elevate his game even more from Tampa and I think that he's kind of hit that plateau in his career where I don't really think he's improved much.
23:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Julio Rodriguez, I think has been the most overrated player in the league since his rookie year.
23:33
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'd see him as a defensive help in center field, but offensively he's just never been the guy that he was after that first year.
23:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is an offense that desperately needs hitting in the power.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Julio Rodriguez did want too many commercials and started to believe he was better than he is.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was going to say the fans there really
23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It just hasn't happened.
23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It just has not happened for him yet.
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I still have hope I want him to be great, but he isn't yet.
24:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Those fans deserve a better team than they're getting.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, anything else in your notes, Paul?
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I have a happy birthday to Max Scherzer today, 42 years old went out and completed tonight two and two-thirds innings, so he's getting deep into these games.
24:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So apparently he's going the way of Justin Verlander, but they tried it him out for his birthday.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure why he couldn't get out of the third inning.
24:37
[SPEAKER_01]: He only gave up one run, but
24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: you don't win too many games if you have to leave in the third inning pitching is difficult and Jamison tie on for the cubs knows it well because he just got released today.
24:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So the cubs have improved themselves as well in this feudal attempt to catch the brewers.
24:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It's amazing as a pitcher you lose this much and it's over.
25:07
[SPEAKER_02]: But dude's been, I've never seen him win again.
25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I don't think I've ever seen him win a win again, Paul.
25:16
[SPEAKER_02]: In my entire life, the every year I watch baseball.
25:19
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like I turn on a George Kirby Stark as we have the MLB TV we watch the whole league.
25:24
[SPEAKER_02]: I do watch the Mariners games because I don't mind watching it 10, 10, right?
25:31
[SPEAKER_02]: The dude always gives up eight runs.
25:33
[SPEAKER_02]: It feels like I don't know how is the RAs below four and I don't know how he has any wins to his record.
25:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for the reminder, I need to watch Sunny Gray pitch for the red socks so that he can stink up the field and pitch like he did with the Yankees and sometimes with the cardinals.
25:53
[SPEAKER_02]: The next time I watch a Sunny Gray start, we'll be too soon.
25:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to remind everybody that the reds once had Sunny Gray and Trevor Bauer on their team.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Two bigger tricks could not be found.
26:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I hate this coming and steal the last word in what you said, but yeah, I don't just agree.
26:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were both really good for the reds to really good.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Partly into their projects, I'm guessing.
26:31
[SPEAKER_02]: I can think of one picture that I I just like more than sunny gray.
26:36
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles Michaelis.
26:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because of the reaper.
26:40
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to salt into your wounds.
26:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's it off bonus time I watched way too many sunny well I only watched one sunny gray start when he was a cardinal who's in Chicago he actually threw a gym
27:02
[SPEAKER_02]: they'd up losing on a walk off, but Miles Michaelist, he made that whole fuss about Wilson and Treyros the year after the year they signed Wilson and Treyros to be their starting catcher after Yaddy retired, and he just acted like a complete douche about it said basically it was Wilson and Treyros's fault that he was going out and getting absolutely sheldered, and then you've seen what Miles Michaelist has been before.
27:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm convinced.
27:27
[SPEAKER_02]: And the listeners of this great podcast can, you know, tell me I'm wrong, whatever.
27:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm convinced I would get a hit on Miles Michaelis if you gave me 25 of the games.
27:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't even go as far to say, I'm convinced I know I would.
27:42
[SPEAKER_02]: I know I would, because he's that bad.
27:43
[SPEAKER_02]: He goes out there and throws absolute meatballs.
27:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And it just infuriates me that anybody rosters him.
27:50
[SPEAKER_02]: I think he goes out, he's always like, oh, I thought I threw good stuff today.
27:53
[SPEAKER_02]: What three endings gave up nine runs.
27:56
[SPEAKER_02]: Shut the fuck.
27:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You think you got that stuff?
27:59
[SPEAKER_02]: You got absolutely sheld.
28:01
[SPEAKER_02]: You are no help to your team, retire.
28:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, this is a good chance to remind everybody that in bonus time there's no editing, so be careful what you say.
28:12
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not careful.
28:13
[SPEAKER_02]: I wish Miles Michaelists, I would want to have a face-to-face conversation with them, and I would be polite and respectful.
28:20
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I would say good on you for coming on and having a conversation about it.
28:24
[SPEAKER_02]: But how the hell does he still have a job?
28:28
[SPEAKER_02]: He is not pitched well in four years.
28:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey Paul, who's the least favorite player on one of your teams of all time?
28:36
[SPEAKER_00]: That you hate being on your team?
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I see my light?
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Did it ever made you every time he pitched or came to the plate?
28:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, gee.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Because mine's blind for the reds right now.
28:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Who's that?
28:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Swars.
28:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, are you, are you, are you?
28:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody's going to pick up his bat.
28:58
[SPEAKER_01]: You're next week, don't you think?
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I do the dishes when he comes to the play.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more eight for some of the guys.
29:09
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember, uh, somebody I really couldn't stand.
29:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Let me see.
29:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, a ride may be huh?
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good one.
29:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, uh, yours might be good.
29:22
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, yeah, I would, I would have to say it to Michael, just the side of him.
29:26
[SPEAKER_02]: I went to a game in Bush, um, two years ago, right before the all-star break, a little story time, it's the other time I can do.
29:32
[SPEAKER_02]: I want, um, just your game.
29:34
[SPEAKER_02]: And, um, so it was probably 95 degrees Bush Stadium, just hotter than absolute hell.
29:41
[SPEAKER_02]: And we're driving out and we're talking about, you know, home run that two to be one, uh, no yard in the game.
29:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, it's ball is going to be fly out in Bush today.
29:53
[SPEAKER_02]: Cardinals go give Michael a 2 run lead in the first inning.
29:57
[SPEAKER_02]: You're feeling really good Pedro Pahes doubles off the wall.
30:00
[SPEAKER_02]: Miles Michaelus proceeds to go out and give up 6 home runs.
30:06
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave up two to Pete Crow Armstrong.
30:08
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave up two to Christopher Morrell.
30:11
[SPEAKER_02]: He gave up one to say, Oscar Zuki, and he gave one up to Ian Happ.
30:15
[SPEAKER_02]: And it for that day forward, I said, I hate this guy.
30:19
[SPEAKER_02]: Everything about him.
30:20
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate the way pitches, the way looks, he thinks he's wrong, burgundy's not.
30:24
[SPEAKER_02]: He's always smugging interviews.
30:26
[SPEAKER_02]: Always all I feel good, it's pitch good stuff.
30:28
[SPEAKER_02]: I've went for innings, give up 10 runs.
30:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Ball just didn't bounce in my favor today.
30:35
[SPEAKER_02]: Then the nationals decided they were going to sign I mean I reposted something on my Instagram It basically said the miles miles was like the biggest pieces should ever
30:45
[SPEAKER_02]: I just don't like the deed.
30:47
[SPEAKER_02]: Matthew Libbertore, Cardinal, I think he is the left-handed Miles Michaelis.
30:51
[SPEAKER_02]: I hate watching him start.
30:52
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I see he's pitching tonight for the, in the game against the cubs, which is currently being delayed, and he's probably going to give up like eight runs.
31:00
[SPEAKER_02]: And four innings, and I'm going to be forced to watch it and want to stick my hand in a blender and jump off a mountain face.
31:11
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for making me laugh, you guys.
31:14
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm all your love.
31:15
[SPEAKER_02]: I love baseball so much and I don't want this.
31:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just passionate about.
31:18
[SPEAKER_02]: I love the game, but I have no respect for guys that just think they're more self-important than they are.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Dalton rushing for the audience.
31:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You can have him on a platter, get him out of town.
31:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's young, he's going to be around for a long time unless they can't stand him anymore.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Guys, thanks so much for spending some time.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for doing the bonus time.
31:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Quick story before I let you go.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So one time, I walked in on a discussion Paul is having with his wife about what you do when you see a famous person.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And Paul surmised that the best thing to do is say, I see you to whoever it is.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't bother, acknowledge that you notice who they are and walk on.
32:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I got up for my seat, walked out the door, and as I'm walking out the door, Lupinella walked into the bar, and I said, I see you, Lou, and he gave me a little way.
32:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I walked back into the bar to tell Paul, and I read, and I just saw Lupinella told him, that I saw him just like all dead with Tipo Neal in the airport.
32:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually got that from a kupers town story.
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Guy pulls a car over Joe Jamalcio's in the back seat and they're asking this local for direction.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's pointing out and he looks in the back seat, he sees Joe Jamalcio in the middle of his directions.
32:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He looks back and he says, I see a Joe and then just with and I just thought, that is the classiest thing, just to let somebody know, I know who you are and I'm not going to go.
32:57
[SPEAKER_00]: That's right, if you can go on with your greatness, but go on with your day.
33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I did the same thing to Frank Robinson in the Houston airport.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: He was getting a shoe shine, and so he was way up high, so I got the yellow to him.
33:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just acted like he was the king of England.
33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
33:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I said I see you live, and it was like in 30 seconds after that conversation.
33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, right on two.
33:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've never gotten to do it again.
33:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Mark time, your time's coming up.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get to do it again every time you see a lose story.
33:35
[SPEAKER_02]: That's a good one.
33:38
[SPEAKER_02]: I have to say every time I get on this show, I learn something that will benefit my life from Paul Tiffton.
33:45
[SPEAKER_02]: So I have to say no, I actually don't even have to do that.
33:48
[SPEAKER_02]: Because I have always been like you see a famous person in public.
33:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And
33:54
[SPEAKER_02]: I know that if I was famous like that, I would want to just kind of be left alone.
33:59
[SPEAKER_02]: Depending on the situation, if I'm with my family, I'm with my kids, like, leave me be.
34:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I don't really want any interaction, because I just want that into the day be a human being.
34:08
[SPEAKER_02]: But I think that what you have said is the best way to go about.
34:14
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, that, you know, respectful polite way because I mean at the end of the day if you're really famous like you do want to be acknowledged however your famous you know you you understand your place you got a lot of joccularity and so I think that's really a great way to do it.
34:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 52.
34:31
[SPEAKER_00]: My teams of one two championships in Lupanella was responsible for one of them so thank you, Lou.
34:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys.
34:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Good night.
34:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope those of you who's stuck around and enjoyed.
34:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's time.
34:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much, Will.
34:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much, Paul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks so much to you for listening.
34:53
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