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Red light therapy, sauna, supplements... The best health protocols for women according to a Doctor! · Imagine If with Doone Roisin | Health, Wealth & Wisdom for Women (formerly Female Startup Club Podcast)

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  You are right when the question you said before about the clinical trials is that this will be N equals 1.
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  We'll have Kate and her biomarkers.
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  And every woman is different.
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  And things that also affect us are, you know, our ethnicity and biology and...
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  our childhood and how we grew up and our diet.
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  Like there's so many influencing factors that we do need to try and study as many women as possible, because I think one won't tell us what's the ideal sauna protocol.
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  But I think some of those, I have some, you know, sort of gut hunches over what we'll find.
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  I absolutely think women will have different requirements based on different phases in their lives.
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  Like we're different to men in the sense that
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  we obviously change due to our hormone sort of profiles.
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  And when we go through pregnancy, when we go through post-pregnancy and we go through perimenopause, we've got so many phases in our lives.
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  And at different points, different things are going to be important.
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  So the supplements you need leading up to having a baby, it's going to be very different to supplements you need to age well.
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  So I think fundamentally women are going to need different things to men.
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  So I definitely think things like iron and magnesium, vitamin D, we have more trouble in maintaining our muscle mass.
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  We have more trouble in maintaining our bone mineral density.
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  you know, that then affects our metabolic health.
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  So, you know, in terms of whether we get diabetes or cardiovascular disease is related to muscle bulk.
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  And if we don't protect that as we age, you know, we then get all these other medical problems.
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  So it's all very, you know, linked.
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  But I do think that we're going to, as we do more research in this area, we're going to be able to provide a much more personalized and customized service to women where, again, the risk is that we go, okay, now we're studying women, all women are the same and all women are going to need this.
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  And I go back to my hormone innovation that I want somebody to build where it's actually tracking your hormone levels day to day.
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  So you're wearing a patch and it's working out what your estradiol and your progesterone, et cetera, are all doing.
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  It's because I also think the replacement that you need will be based on your individual needs.
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  So if that same patch could then release the right dose of hormone for you as a person in that moment, that is when we get to true personalized care.
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  And so I don't want it to just we figure this stuff out about women in general.
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  I want it to be we figured out that women need a very specific protocol and we're going to give them all the tools that they need to manage their own requirements.
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  And whether it is supplements as well, like who knows that exactly this many milligrams or grams of, you know, because it comes in that tablet form is what you need and is what I need.
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  Like wouldn't it be great if we could get that dose to exactly what our body needs at that moment as an individual?
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  And this is where precision health is going.
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  And that's where I think we'll be.
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  Yeah, definitely.
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  And I would not be doing cold plungers.
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  So that's probably my only other question in there.
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  I love cold plungers.
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  I love cold water.
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  I run hot.
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  I'm like an internally hot person.
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  I think I love cold water.
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  You can do cold plungers.
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  Just don't do it a couple of hours after strength training because it actually reverses the hypertrophy of muscle that you're trying to do.
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  So I think for women specifically, men less so, but cold plungers actually just undo some of the work that you've just done with your muscle, building your muscle, and it's so important to build your muscle.
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  No, no.
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  So wait a couple of hours and then do it.
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  I think hot and cold is fine.
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  Like if you're going to do hot and cold, but the ice baths are really getting into that freezing.
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  The proper cold.
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  Yeah, cold plunges and women's body temperatures just run a bit higher.
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  So I think if it's above 10 degrees, fine, but I just wouldn't be...
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  you know, there's so many other, and it's great for mood.
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  Like it definitely elevates your mood, which is why everyone gets addicted to them.
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  So it's good for short-term benefits, but I think the longer-term benefits for muscle, you know, preservation for women, they need to be careful.
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  Saunas, I'd say go for your life.
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  I don't think enough women sauna.
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  Yeah.
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  There's definitely research on that.
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  They did a large Finnish study because of Finns All Sauna.
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  But they found that I think it's about four to seven times a week if you can, 20 minutes at 80 degrees.
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  And they found that improved cardiovascular benefits as well as lower rates of death from all mortality.
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  So basically it gives you longevity.
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  And they haven't really studied the infrared saunas before,
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  in as much detail these are traditional finished saunas but we think the data is going to be similar so i definitely think saunas you know a red light therapy there's some evidence around red light particularly for collagen production and yeah i wear the red mask but i'm like do i need a whole red mat does my dog need one too like where are we at with the mats i'm
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  So I think the studies, again, show that the ones that you might get on Amazon are not good enough.
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  No, no, but the doctor approved medical grade.
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  Well, not medical grade, but the ones that are allowed to be at-home medical grade.
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  Omnilux is what I bought.
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  Yeah, so get a good, you know, credible one.
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  Yeah, they are expensive, but it does help with, you know, we use it for scar reduction and, you know, for particular dermatological conditions.
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  So there is medicine around that.
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  But, you know, the...
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  some of the stuff is still emerging.
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  So I just say to people, you know, keep looking at the evidence and particularly evidence around actually doing studies on women.
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  So don't just rely on what, you know, is coming out and saying, we've studied 1,000 people, make sure that there are 1,000 people that look like you or that might have similar biology to you.
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  And some of these things, you know, not particularly these, but some of the drugs that people are getting interested in now, you know,
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  they've only had animal studies and animals don't behave the same way as humans.
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  So please wait for human studies before you put things in your body.
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  Yes.
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  Obviously.
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  Yes.
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  Not Brian Johnson, you do you, but everyone else.
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  But, you know, just on the topic of the clinical trials and things like that, I'm kind of like, but why can't we just be like, oh, cool, do some tests on me.
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  Let's gather a thousand people and go to a...
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  place and do some testing.
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  Like, I don't know.
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  It just seems like kind of like an easy one, if that makes sense.
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  It comes back to money.
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  It was always about money.
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  So if you think about – I remember I was talking to a psychiatrist recently.
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  He was telling me that for –
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  PTSD that they found that yoga could be just as effective as some SSRI, antidepressant medication they give, right?
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  Wow.
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  But nobody is going to fund a trial of yoga because...
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  They can't sell.
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  There's no one that sells yoga.
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  Like, I mean, you'll be, you know, there's a small gym that does yoga.
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  But whereas if you are a pharmaceutical company that sells an antidepressant, you will fund a trial that shows antidepressants work in PTSD.
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  So you might front up the hundreds of millions of dollars that it will take to take a whole drug through a pathway and do the trials and, you know, because you're going to get the commercial benefit at the end.
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  But then I'm kind of like women are the biggest consumers.
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  Like we control the money in the household, especially as women, you know, kind of become more high earning, et cetera, et cetera.
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  I'm like, so why aren't there more things going into research?
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  Because we will buy it.
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  Oh, look, I think it will get there.
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  But they need to find the drug that they can sell to women.
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  And then do the trials.
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  To do the trials.
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  Okay, okay, got it.
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  But to do trials on things that are not –
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  drug related, you have to find somebody that's really motivated, interested and has money and can get grants.
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  So it's all followers of money, unfortunately.
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  Got it.
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  Got it.
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  Got it.
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  Wow.
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  Okay.
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  Is it true that just on the topic of cold plunges, is it true that it damages your fertility and uterus and things like that because you're getting too cold or is that a myth?
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  I haven't read anything in the studies that says it damages your uterus or anything.
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  I think it's more just if you're pregnant or you're trying to get pregnant.
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  Obviously, temperature regulation is important, which is why we don't tell people to do saunas and things when they might be incubating a little human.
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  Incubating a little human.
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  I've never heard that.
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  I love that.
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  Because, you know, you raise a temperature and that little person's going to get hot as well and they're developing.
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  And it probably is similar with, you know, really putting them through a shock of a cold sort of insult.
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  So I think fertility, I haven't seen any studies, but it's definitely one, again, just to watch because I think they're starting as it's becoming more and more commonplace for people to do this hot, cold thing.
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  You know, there are more studies.
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  happening and on women as well so I think they probably won't know because obviously it's not been a thing you know for a long time and now suddenly it's become a commercial become mainstream yeah it's definitely you've said this just a couple of times it's piqued my interest when you're saying you know look at the evidence and look at the studies for someone like me who's like not an academic yeah like you know
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  wouldn't even know where to go to read the evidence.
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  How do you recommend just the average chick go and do research and evidence in a way to get to an answer?
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  Yeah.
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  Great question.
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  So, I have had patients of mine who've gone, well, I went to Chachi PT or I went to Claude or Gemini and
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  You know, it's quoted a study.
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  It said this was going to be really good for me.
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  It's quoted a study.
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  I saw the link.
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  So, therefore, it must be good.
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  What we have found with some of those open large language models is that they make up links and references.
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  They're meant to be agreeable.
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  Yeah.
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  So you click on the link and it doesn't exist.
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  And some people don't click on the links.
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  They just go, oh, I'm just going to trust.
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  There's a link, so it must be real.
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  They make those links up.
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  So not always, but sometimes.
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  So my advice is if you're going to use any of the open models, make sure that you follow the link and actually look at the study.
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  But the other great tool to use is open evidence.
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  Yeah.
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  So it is free and it is something that we as clinicians will use as well, where it is, again, an AI tool that gathers all of the credible medical evidence and will present it to you.
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  You just ask it a question.
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  You could say, tell me about cold plunges and what it does for women's fertility.
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  And it will pull up all the studies, whether it's from, you know, the MJA or MSA.
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  you know, New England Journal of Medicine, like all the credible publications.
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  And it will put it into something that's quite readable, but you can also then follow the links to the actual study and read the study if you're interested in it.
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  But open evidence has been great.
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  I love that.
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  Yeah.
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  So I would just stick to something that's going to give you
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  you know, proper scientific evidence rather than some of just the open LLMs.
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  Oh, my gosh.
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  I love that.
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  I'm such a, like, get into a rabbit hole and I can feel that that's going to be my new thing.