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The Kenny Report | 18 December · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Kenny Report. I'm Daniiciti Giorgio filling in
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Speaker 3: for Chris Tonight. Coming up the Prime Minister's stunning admission
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Speaker 3: of failure as he announces reforms to tackle hate while
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Speaker 3: ignoring the elephant in the room again, radical Islam. Pauline
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Speaker 3: Hansen will join me shortly. Bond Diar reopens to the
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Speaker 3: public four days after the terror attack as the youngest
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Speaker 3: victim is laid to rest, and I'll get more reaction
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Speaker 3: and analysis from Chris Kenny, Alexander Downer, Peter Jennings, Tim
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Speaker 3: Blair and Mark Nicholson. Well after two years of inaction
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Speaker 3: by labor on stamping out anti Semitism, two years after
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Speaker 3: it being allowed to fester into assess pit of hate
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Speaker 3: and violence as Jews feared for their lives and were
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Speaker 3: targeted day in, day out, and of course it culminating
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Speaker 3: in the murders of fifteen innocent people at Bondi. Anthony
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Speaker 3: Arbernezi had conceded he could have done more.
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Speaker 4: Do you think part of the healing is offering a
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Speaker 4: statement of contrition, whether it's a broader one from society
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Speaker 4: or your own would would move some of those people,
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Speaker 4: help some of those people.
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Speaker 5: Look, of course more could have always been done. Governments
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Speaker 5: aren't perfect. I'm not perfect. We have engaged in a
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Speaker 5: constructive way.
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Speaker 6: I mean, as do you say you could have done more?
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Speaker 7: Can you explain why you haven't done more?
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Speaker 8: Until now?
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Speaker 5: We could always have done more?
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Speaker 3: But why haven't you done more?
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Speaker 5: I have done my best to respond. Do I regret
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Speaker 5: anyone in this position would regret not doing more in
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Speaker 5: any inadequacies which are there. But what we need to
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Speaker 5: do is to move forward.
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Speaker 3: Well, firstly, extraordinary the press packer only now just asking
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Speaker 3: why the Prime Minister hasn't done more? But now we
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Speaker 3: have a situation where the Prime Minister is admitting it
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Speaker 3: and regrets it. What an admission of failure. Because the
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Speaker 3: warning signs were there, flashing pretty clearly in red lights
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Speaker 3: if you cast your minds back. October seven happened. Labor
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Speaker 3: called for restraint. The Israeli flag was set alight on
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Speaker 3: the steps of the Sydney Opera House, and where are
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Speaker 3: the Jews? Was chanted and Jews were told to leave
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Speaker 3: the city. Labor was silent. Hate preachers were related. Labor
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Speaker 3: was silent. Jewish businesses were targeted, childcare centers, schools, homes,
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Speaker 3: Jews were docked, synagogue's fire bombed, the Harbor Bridge hijacked
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Speaker 3: by protesters. The list goes on. Labour said, oh no,
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Speaker 3: we can't tolerate that. Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance, tolerance again. The
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism report was then conflated with Islamophobia. The report
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Speaker 3: sat on the Prime Minister's desk catching dust while he
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Speaker 3: went to the UN and recognized a Palestinian state. And
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Speaker 3: now fifteen people are dead and Anthony Arberesi gives us
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Speaker 3: a whoopsie moment.
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Speaker 9: Is there a part of you that regrets not acting
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Speaker 9: earlier with more strength and conviction to try and do
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Speaker 9: more earlier? And for the pain that Jewish Australians and
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Speaker 9: all Australians are feeling right now, do you apologize for that?
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Speaker 5: My heart goes out to Jewish Australians. Is there more
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Speaker 5: that can be done? There is always more that can
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Speaker 5: be done, always, and quite clearly there's more to do,
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Speaker 5: And on top of these announcements there'll be more to
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Speaker 5: do as well.
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Speaker 3: This is truly reprehensible on the part of the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister and Labor reprehensible what they've done. He won't even
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Speaker 3: say sorry. Anthony ARBERESI has failed in this moment, and
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Speaker 3: failed from the start, and so now, while under immense pressure,
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Speaker 3: he announces a raft of changes to try and put
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Speaker 3: an end to it, including adopting the recommendations by his
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Speaker 3: Special Envoy Gillian Siegel, the same recommendations that have sat
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Speaker 3: there for six months. The changes include making it a
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Speaker 3: new offense for preachers hate speech, increase penalties for hate speech,
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Speaker 3: making hate as sentencing aggravated factor, a regime to list
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Speaker 3: groups promoting hatred, and an offense for advocating racial supremacy.
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Speaker 3: The Home Affairs Minister will also have special powers to
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Speaker 3: reject or cancel visas for anyone spreading anti Jewish hate.
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Speaker 3: I mean, is Tony Burk seriously going to kick people
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Speaker 3: out of this country when he's welcomed in three thousand
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Speaker 3: gardens with little to no security checks and even gave
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Speaker 3: some a private meet and greet at Sydney Airport and
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Speaker 3: also led him the isis brides really? And with that
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Speaker 3: came more excuses by the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 8: People grieving right now might reasonably ask why these changes
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Speaker 8: to the threshold around these laws have taken so long
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Speaker 8: and do you take some responsibility for that delay.
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Speaker 5: We're the first government to legislate on hate speech. We
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Speaker 5: did that, so.
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Speaker 3: Why have you not acted on it yet? If the
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Speaker 3: laws are already in place, why aren't radical preachers of
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Speaker 3: hate being arrested?
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Speaker 10: Now?
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Speaker 3: This is early days when it comes to these changes,
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Speaker 3: but there are too many questions and answers. What is
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Speaker 3: the new criminal threshold for hate speech? What makes a
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Speaker 3: person go over that line? The Home Affairs Minister Tony
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Speaker 3: Burke couldn't.
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Speaker 11: Say we have all seen vision of hate preachers where
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Speaker 11: we are shocked that that is happening in Australia. It
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Speaker 11: is not representative of what people expect in Australia and
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Speaker 11: it's certainly not representative of the Muslim community in Australia either.
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Speaker 11: They have been repeated checks as to whether they have
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Speaker 11: crossed legal threshold. They haven't. The thresholds are changing.
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Speaker 3: Well, my question is will these laws actually stop the
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Speaker 3: hat the hate associated with radical Islam? All it be
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Speaker 3: used is blasphemy by stealth, and we go down the
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Speaker 3: path of the UK where people are being arrested for
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Speaker 3: saying things the government doesn't like. There has to be
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Speaker 3: a very clear distinction. Now, I'm all for change when
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Speaker 3: freedom of speech crosses into hate speech and violence, and
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Speaker 3: we've certainly seen that day in day out in Australia
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Speaker 3: when death to the IDF was chanted, Globalize the Interfata
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Speaker 3: being elated and saying October seven is a day of courage.
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Speaker 3: The hate being spewed from radical preachers in mosques around
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Speaker 3: the country that it definitely encourages violence. But there needs
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Speaker 3: to be a distinction made by labor and it's an
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Speaker 3: important one. But there's still no time frame for legislation.
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Speaker 3: Parliament hasn't been recalled, so when if Bondo really means anything,
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Speaker 3: the time for talk is over. But the Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: missed something big in his press conference today. Radical Islam
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Speaker 3: not mentioned once, not once, as Johannes Leak summed it
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Speaker 3: up very well in The Australian Today with his cartoon
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Speaker 3: It's the elephant in the room for Anthony Alberanezi as
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Speaker 3: he holds his wet lettuce. Radical Islam poses the biggest
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Speaker 3: threat to a Western democracy. Yet labor has important hate
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Speaker 3: under the guise of healthy and sustainable multiculturalism. Despite the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister trying to gaslight us into thinking otherwise.
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Speaker 5: When you come to Australia, you are here to support
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Speaker 5: our society, of which is diverse. But that diversity is
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Speaker 5: a strength.
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Speaker 3: Read the room. The past two years would suggest otherwise,
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Speaker 3: diversity is not our strength. It's our biggest weakness. Right
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Speaker 3: now it has failed even the AFP Commissioner, after having
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Speaker 3: told us earlier in the week that the Bondai massacre
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Speaker 3: was not motivated by religion, she ducked and weaved today
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Speaker 3: when asked again.
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Speaker 6: This was about extremism, This was ISIS inspired. We know
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Speaker 6: ISIS distorts and corrupts Islam, which leads to radicalization. The
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Speaker 6: point I was making is that these two we know
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Speaker 6: were inspired by Isis.
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Speaker 3: Call it out for what it is, radical Islam. We've
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Speaker 3: imported people into this country, some who hate us, some
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Speaker 3: who hate our values, and some who have no interest
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Speaker 3: in assimilating. Why because their values are incompatible with ours
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Speaker 3: and the common denominator is radical Islam. It's a religious
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Speaker 3: driven ideology that has no place in Australia. So the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister can talk and talk about changes to laws,
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Speaker 3: but unless he does something about it, unless he says
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Speaker 3: it out loud, those laws may as well be rendered
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Speaker 3: useless already. They called her Matilda because that was the
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Speaker 3: most ossy name they could think of. And today the
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Speaker 3: parents of ten year old Matilda Valentina and Michael, the
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Speaker 3: youngest victim of the Bondie massacre, did what no parent
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Speaker 3: should ever have to do. They buried their child. Matilda
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Speaker 3: was a ten year old girl just starting her life,
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Speaker 3: her whole life ahead of her birthdays, life milestones, amazing
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Speaker 3: and incredible adventures to come. And today she was remembered
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Speaker 3: as a sweet and kind girl, a little girl who
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Speaker 3: will remain alive in our deeds, in how we live
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Speaker 3: our lives, not just in our memories. Rabbi Yeoman Ullman
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Speaker 3: told the service that Matilda grew up a child who
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Speaker 3: loved the things children loved, the outdoors, animals, She went
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Speaker 3: to school, she had friends. He said that certain things
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Speaker 3: are hidden from us. Why a sweet child, a beautiful
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Speaker 3: daughter who loved her parents as sister to a brother
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Speaker 3: and a sister and granddaughter. Why the new South Wales
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Speaker 3: Premier Chris Mins address the service.
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Speaker 2: From darkness they struck to where candles glowed bright. A
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Speaker 2: child of celebration was lost to terror's night. Yet in
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Speaker 2: the hush of sorrow, her memory will shine a beacon
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Speaker 2: of her love. For her earthly light has gone. She
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Speaker 2: bore the name Matilda to honor this great land, Australia's
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Speaker 2: hardened spirit forever hand in hand. Now angels gather softly,
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Speaker 2: their wings as silken shroud, and Heaven holds her closely,
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Speaker 2: far above the cloud. Her spirit, like a swagman's, will
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Speaker 2: never fade away. She's waltzing with the angels where love
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Speaker 2: will always stay. Though sorrow fills the campfire and tears
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Speaker 2: the night have found Matilda's name now honored in every
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Speaker 2: sacred ground.
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Speaker 3: It's just truly unthinkable. Matilda's father has shared this video
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Speaker 3: of the ten year old with fellow victim Rabbi Eli
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Speaker 3: Schlanger at the Harneker event where they both lost their lives.
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Speaker 3: Matilda was affectionately known by her family as Matilda Bee.
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Speaker 3: Warners wore stickers on their shirts with a picture of
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Speaker 3: a cartoon bee and Matilda's name. Today, others carried balloons
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Speaker 3: in the shape of bumblebees. There are just there are
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Speaker 3: no words. There's no words when an innocent life is
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Speaker 3: cut so short.
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Speaker 12: Her only crime was to come to one of the
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Speaker 12: most iconic places in this country and perhaps around the world,
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Speaker 12: for an event that wasn't an extreme sport of some sort.
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Speaker 12: This is a family get together in the most pristine, beautiful, loving,
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Speaker 12: inclusive way, and for to finish this way is heartbreaking
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Speaker 12: for the family. Beyond words, where they go from here,
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Speaker 12: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Waltzing Matilda, You'll never be forgotten, little b Well. For
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Speaker 3: more than two years, the left wing media has been
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Speaker 3: quick to believe the worst of Israel. The puppet masters
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Speaker 3: at Hamas have been fueling a narrative that Israel was
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Speaker 3: starving civilians and committing war crimes at home. The ABC
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Speaker 3: lapped it up. The public broadcaster has been relentless in
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Speaker 3: its anti Israel bias, even repeating her mustatistics as facts,
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Speaker 3: quoting death figures from the Palestine Health Ministry, which is
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Speaker 3: Harmas run. Last night on its seven thirty program, host
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Speaker 3: Sarah Ferguson sunk to a new low during an interview
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Speaker 3: with former Treasurer Josh Friedenberg, a prominent and senior member
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Speaker 3: of the Jewish community. Now, this is a man who
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Speaker 3: is grieving with his community at the loss of fifteen
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Speaker 3: innocent lives, a man who's been relentless in the fight
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Speaker 3: against anti Semitism in Australia, who is sharing his frustrations
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Speaker 3: at a lack of action to stop it. He fronted
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Speaker 3: the Sky News documentary on this very topic and has
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Speaker 3: been at the front line of the crisis. And Josh
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Speaker 3: Fredenberg was angry at the memorial yesterday as he had
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Speaker 3: every right to be.
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Speaker 13: Is massacre at Bondai is the greatest stain on this nation.
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Speaker 13: Has brought the greatest shame.
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Speaker 14: To our nation.
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Speaker 3: And during the ABC interview hours later, Sarah Ferguson asked
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Speaker 3: him about the alleged terror attack, his speech at the
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Speaker 3: memorial and then saved her gotcha question for last, accusing
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Speaker 3: him of acting only for political gain.
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Speaker 15: It's widely viewed as inevitable that you will return to politics.
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Speaker 15: How do we not see this through a political lens?
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Speaker 15: I mean the case that you're making a personal case
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Speaker 15: against the Prime minister.
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Speaker 14: I'm deeply offended by what you just said. I'm deeply offended.
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Speaker 14: Explain that and you know what, there was a man
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Speaker 14: called Murray Watt, who sits on the Labor front bench,
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Speaker 14: who tried to say that about a year ago, and
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Speaker 14: then Labor ministers like Mike Kelly and others. Hey, no,
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Speaker 14: hear me out. Who came out and said exactly what
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Speaker 14: I'm about to say, which is that is an insult.
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Speaker 14: That is an insult to say that there's any political
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Speaker 14: motivation in this. No, Sarah, The reality is this, I'm
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Speaker 14: an Australian who has to have personal security because my
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Speaker 14: life is endangered in this country. And I was the
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Speaker 14: treasurer of this country. My children go to a school
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Speaker 14: where there are armed guards outside. When I visit a
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Speaker 14: Jewish age care center, there are armed guards outside. When
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Speaker 14: I send my kids to Jewish sporting clubs, there are
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Speaker 14: police cars out there and police tape. How should we
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Speaker 14: live with this? Why should we live with this? So,
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Speaker 14: if I'm not going to speak out, who is if
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Speaker 14: not now? When?
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Speaker 10: If not me? Who?
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Speaker 14: The reality is this was an attack on Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 14: that this is a threat to every Australian.
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Speaker 15: To be clear, my question was about the framing of
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Speaker 15: what you are saying. I'm not making assertions. I'm not
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Speaker 15: copying what anybody.
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Speaker 14: Else is say, Sarah, Sarah, And you asked me the
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Speaker 14: question and I gave you my answer.
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Speaker 3: Hang your head in shame, Sarah, Ferguson. What a disgrace.
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Speaker 3: How could she possibly ask that question of a Jewish
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Speaker 3: Australian when for two years Jews in this country a
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Speaker 3: fear for their lives. They have witnessed hate week in,
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Speaker 3: week out, and it culminated in the loss of fifteen
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Speaker 3: innocent lives, including a ten year old girl on Sunday night.
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Speaker 3: The community has been begging for leadership and action, if
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Speaker 3: only the Prime Minister had a sliver of the leadership
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Speaker 3: shown by Josh Friedenberg. What an offensive question, and she
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Speaker 3: clearly tried to backpedal once she realized how insulting it was.
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Speaker 3: It's offensive. And then there's ABC host Laura Tingle who
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Speaker 3: claimed religion had nothing to do with the alleged terror attack,
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Speaker 3: despite it being motivated by ISIS, by radical Islam. Absolutely
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Speaker 3: a radicalized these were were targeting Jews. It is anti Semitic.
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Speaker 10: But we are ascribing all sorts of things, right, yea.
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Speaker 3: Their actions are not based on their religion. Not even
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Speaker 3: mass murder is enough for the ABC to report the facts.
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Speaker 3: They'd rather gaslight you under the guise of journalism. This
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Speaker 3: is not journalism, it's activism. And bear in mind this
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Speaker 3: is one of the public broadcasters, most senior and prominent
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Speaker 3: journalists were talking about here. Jews were celebrating Harneker. They
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Speaker 3: were deliberately targeted at Bondai by two men allegedly brain
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Speaker 3: washed by a religious ideology that has no place here.
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Speaker 3: If only the ABC had reported the facts accurately from
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Speaker 3: day one, from October seven, twenty twenty three, and heat
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Speaker 3: pressure on terrorists and hate preachers called out labor, called
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Speaker 3: out a lack of action of anti Semitism, and shown
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Speaker 3: balance and fairness in their reporting, just as Albinizi has
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Speaker 3: admitted he could have done more to combat anti Semitism,
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Speaker 3: so called the taxpayer funded ABC. Well, joining me now
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Speaker 3: is one nation leader. Senator Pauline Hanson, Senator, appreciate you
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Speaker 3: joining me today. I want to start by the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister's admission that he could have done more. Here's a
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Speaker 3: reminder of what he said.
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Speaker 7: Can you explain why you haven't done more?
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Speaker 8: Until now?
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Speaker 5: We could always have done more.
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Speaker 3: Why haven't you done more?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 5: I have done my best to respond. Do I regret
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Speaker 5: anyone in this position would regret not doing more? In
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Speaker 5: any inadequacies which are there?
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Speaker 3: Is that really good enough? After two years of rampant
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Speaker 3: anti Semitism.
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Speaker 1: You just said to me, he made an mission that
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Speaker 1: he could have done more. Really, I'm still listening for it.
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Speaker 1: Where is it? He didn't say it, and it's a
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Speaker 1: pathetic response that he felt he had to say it.
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Speaker 1: He's under so much pressure now at the moment from
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Speaker 1: the public and as I've moved around the public and
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Speaker 1: I went down to the memorial on Tuesday, there is
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Speaker 1: so much hatred, hatred for Alban Ezy, hatred for the
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Speaker 1: Labor Party.
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Speaker 15: People have no more.
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Speaker 1: Time for them whatsoever. They don't trust him, they don't
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Speaker 1: believe him, they don't see he's sincere in what has happened.
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Speaker 1: He's done absolutely nothing. You've summed it up, Danika, and
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Speaker 1: what's happened in the past two years. I won't reiterate
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Speaker 1: what you've just said, but you're right in what you said.
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Speaker 1: The Labor Party weren't interested. They were pushing their own
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Speaker 1: agenda and they were looking after the Muslims in the
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Speaker 1: country and not all Muslims and radicals by no means.
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Speaker 1: The fact is that we have got the radicals here
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Speaker 1: and we've done nothing about it. And you write about
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Speaker 1: the guardians about the isis brides and just what I've
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Speaker 1: been talking about for a long time. And it was
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Speaker 1: a few months ago on Chris Kenny, I really was
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Speaker 1: riled about this. I said, what will happen in this country.
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Speaker 1: We'll see what's happened in Birmingham, and you know what's
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Speaker 1: happened in England will actually happen here. And you know,
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Speaker 1: this is the feeling of the general public. They are
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Speaker 1: so angry about this. Alban Easy has been so weak
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Speaker 1: in this whole instance and what has happened, and so
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Speaker 1: has Burke and Penny Wong, and you know, I just
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Speaker 1: think that they will never be able to deal with this, never,
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Speaker 1: And I also see the Liberals the Coalition are very
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Speaker 1: weak and all this. If you really are a true
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Speaker 1: leader of this nation, you actually can read the writing.
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Speaker 16: On the wall.
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Speaker 1: You know what's happening in the community. You know what's
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Speaker 1: going on out there. And they're both terrified of offending
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Speaker 1: people out there because purely full the vote and their supporters.
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Speaker 1: So this is why nothing has really happened about it.
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Speaker 1: The only one who will deal this with this very
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Speaker 1: strong right across the board is only me and one Nation,
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Speaker 1: and my fellow colleagues on the floor of Parliament. We
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Speaker 1: have been pushing the saneaka I've called it out for years,
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Speaker 1: and they will never go far enough to deal with
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Speaker 1: the issue. And unless we reign it back now and
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Speaker 1: do something about it, if we swept under the carpet again,
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Speaker 1: it'll be forgotten and it will go on the way
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Speaker 1: it is. And I fear for the future generations of
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Speaker 1: this nation.
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Speaker 3: I despair for this country. To Senator, I'm equally as worried,
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Speaker 3: and I have to say I was down at the
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Speaker 3: memorial when you and Barnaby Joyce came the other day
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Speaker 3: and the reception that you received from the mourners there.
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Speaker 3: They were so grateful to have you there because you
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Speaker 3: have indeed been speaking the truth from the very beginning.
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Speaker 3: Yet we've got a Prime Minister who is blaming gun
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Speaker 3: laws for this and today's come out. He wants to
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Speaker 3: increase a threshold for hate speech without even addressing the
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Speaker 3: elephant in the room of radical Islam. Are these hate
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Speaker 3: speech changes even going to make a difference in your view?
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Speaker 1: Not unless they follow it through. They did put the
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Speaker 1: h speech laws on the floor of Parliament, and actually
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Speaker 1: I abstain from voting because there are sections of it
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Speaker 1: that I felt that would actually be damaging to the
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Speaker 1: strand people. So I'm all for you know, people should
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Speaker 1: have freedom of speech by all means, but if it
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Speaker 1: crosses the line you've got hate speech creating violence, then
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Speaker 1: we've got a clamp right down on it. But you know,
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Speaker 1: you talk about the gun laws, he's deflecting from the
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Speaker 1: whole lot and blaming the gun laws. And actually what
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Speaker 1: I'm hearing is they're going to only have people who
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Speaker 1: are on properties can have guns, and they're going to
21:41
Speaker 1: limit them to three. It's not the guns. These people
21:44
Speaker 1: that want to cause mayhem murder and as they did,
21:50
Speaker 1: they'll get their hands on something else. They had three
21:52
Speaker 1: bombs in their car. Don't blame the guns people. It's
21:55
Speaker 1: not about the guns the person behind it. Also, what
21:58
Speaker 1: i've heard denigras there be a full investigation into how
22:02
Speaker 1: that the father had those guns licenses because he was
22:06
Speaker 1: knocked back. Apparently, what I understand is that was that
22:10
Speaker 1: was passed, and I think it should be full investigation
22:13
Speaker 1: into the Ben's government and the people who proved him
22:15
Speaker 1: to actually have those guns. And another thing is, as
22:18
Speaker 1: I've said along, the son was highly investigated as a
22:23
Speaker 1: radical years ago he was leaving with his father. His
22:26
Speaker 1: father should not have had that gun license. As a
22:29
Speaker 1: domestic violence if you've got a domestic violence charge against you,
22:32
Speaker 1: you cannot have guns in the house. So he should
22:34
Speaker 1: never have had those guns.
22:36
Speaker 3: So I blame the.
22:36
Speaker 1: Government for that, not the Gun Act, the government themselves.
22:40
Speaker 1: There's also another thing here. Why are they pursuing Ben
22:44
Speaker 1: Robert Smith for war crimes? Because that comes under the
22:48
Speaker 1: Terrorist Act and that's costed the Department about three hundred
22:51
Speaker 1: million dollars stationed him and eighteen other sas fighters they
22:56
Speaker 1: were over in Afghanistan. Because of that, blacking services and finances.
23:02
Speaker 1: Then to go after the radicals in this country, there
23:05
Speaker 1: was about.
23:06
Speaker 3: Two hundred on the list.
23:07
Speaker 1: All they've got now is about the personnel and the
23:10
Speaker 1: finances to keep a check on one hundred. So they're
23:14
Speaker 1: more intent on going after Ben Robert Smith, who's got
23:17
Speaker 1: my full support, and these other sas keep them hanging
23:21
Speaker 1: on this hook of destroying their lives, and they're not
23:25
Speaker 1: going after the true radicals in this country to keep
23:28
Speaker 1: a watch on them. So I tell the Attorney General
23:31
Speaker 1: get your act together, go after real criminals in this
23:34
Speaker 1: country and leave Ben Robert Smith and our sas fighters
23:38
Speaker 1: a loan.
23:39
Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean there's a lot of questions now
23:40
Speaker 3: and it gets it all for part of the investigation
23:43
Speaker 3: now that the alleged terrorist has been charged and they'll
23:46
Speaker 3: go through police will go through the backgrounds of the
23:49
Speaker 3: alleged government. But you know, the Prime Minister today said
23:53
Speaker 3: diversity is our strength. As I said, read the room,
23:55
Speaker 3: Prime Minister, because the events of the last two years
23:59
Speaker 3: would say otherwise. It's extraordinary. Pulling hands and I've got
24:01
Speaker 3: to leave it there. Really appreciate your time as always,
24:03
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Well, let's get an update now
24:07
Speaker 3: from BONDI joining me is we can use date host
24:10
Speaker 3: Janie Seal Janey. Good to see you again. The fourteenth
24:13
Speaker 3: victim has been identified today. What can you tell us, hi, Denika.
24:18
Speaker 17: Yes, the family has released a statement of the fourteenth
24:22
Speaker 17: victim identified. We are devastated by the loss of our
24:26
Speaker 17: beloved Adam smythe fifty father of four children and husband
24:30
Speaker 17: to Katrina. Adam and Katrina were walking at Bonde Beach
24:34
Speaker 17: on Sunday evening when they found themselves in the middle
24:36
Speaker 17: of the horrific and devastating attack. We are all trying
24:40
Speaker 17: to come to terms with the senseless shooting, of which.
24:43
Speaker 3: Adam was a victim.
24:44
Speaker 17: No words can describe the pain of our loss. So yes,
24:49
Speaker 17: the fourteenth victim identified Danika. It's still quite somber here.
24:54
Speaker 17: The shops, however, have started to open and the streets
24:58
Speaker 17: are open. It does look a little bit more like
25:00
Speaker 17: what Bondi looked prior to the attack on Sunday night. However,
25:05
Speaker 17: there is still a huge police presence, a lot of
25:07
Speaker 17: emergency services, and a lot of support here as well.
25:11
Speaker 17: I saw you here a couple of days ago, Danika,
25:13
Speaker 17: and there was what one or two shops open along
25:17
Speaker 17: the main strip.
25:19
Speaker 3: And Janie, the actual pavilion reopened today for the public.
25:23
Speaker 3: What's that been like.
25:26
Speaker 17: Well, we walked along the promenade earlier today around lunchtime,
25:30
Speaker 17: looking at the beach. Around lunchtime, it was not as
25:34
Speaker 17: packed as what it probably should have been on a daylight.
25:37
Speaker 3: Today.
25:37
Speaker 17: It probably has filled up now. A couple of the
25:40
Speaker 17: shops have opened. We spoke to some people there. We
25:42
Speaker 17: spoke to the manager. They said that they had authority
25:47
Speaker 17: given to open up today. They wanted to make it
25:50
Speaker 17: a safe place, they said, And there were plenty of
25:52
Speaker 17: people locals they said there were mixed emotions, but in
25:55
Speaker 17: general he basically was just really happy to have people
25:58
Speaker 17: back and to make it is you know what it
26:01
Speaker 17: was like prior to this horrific attack. So yeah, it
26:04
Speaker 17: is looking more and more like Bondi again, but of
26:07
Speaker 17: course there's still a lot of grieving.
26:09
Speaker 3: Janika feels the same, but in a way it's not
26:12
Speaker 3: the same, And yeah, it will take some time for sure.
26:15
Speaker 3: Jenny sil appreciate your reporting. Thank you very much for
26:18
Speaker 3: joining me. Well, let's bring in the form of Foreign
26:20
Speaker 3: Minister Alexander down and now thank you for joining me
26:24
Speaker 3: on the show. First, I want to ask you, how
26:25
Speaker 3: would you describe the Prime minister's response to this massacre.
26:31
Speaker 7: Well, he's obviously deeply concerned about his political position. I
26:36
Speaker 7: would say he's panicking because you know, there's no doubt
26:41
Speaker 7: about it. Labor has taken a very hard line against
26:45
Speaker 7: Israel since the seventh of October twenty twenty three. They've
26:51
Speaker 7: been very weak on anti Semitism. They have done nothing
26:56
Speaker 7: about Islamic extremists who have been leading a lot of
27:02
Speaker 7: the demonstrations against Israel and ultimately against Jews. So he
27:08
Speaker 7: obviously feels this is going to do him huge political
27:13
Speaker 7: damage and he's starting to panic. I mean, he came
27:17
Speaker 7: up with a cunning plan to blame the gun laws
27:20
Speaker 7: and say we need tighter gun laws. This isn't about
27:23
Speaker 7: gun laws, by the way, this is about anti Semitism.
27:28
Speaker 10: And you know, I.
27:30
Speaker 7: Think it's very, very damaging to the Prime minister. I
27:34
Speaker 7: don't actually think his reputation as a decent prime minister
27:40
Speaker 7: will recover from this.
27:42
Speaker 8: No.
27:42
Speaker 3: I mean he's been missing an action for two years,
27:47
Speaker 3: but even after the massacre, even now he has just
27:50
Speaker 3: missed this moment. He hasn't been to any of the funerals.
27:53
Speaker 3: He was asked about it today and he said, I'll
27:55
Speaker 3: go if I'm invited. He hasn't been back to the
27:57
Speaker 3: memorial in Bondi since Monday morning, and here is his
28:00
Speaker 3: response when asked about that. Have a listen.
28:03
Speaker 5: I have done that. I was in I haven't just
28:06
Speaker 5: been down in Bondai on Monday morning when at what
28:12
Speaker 5: is now the large memorial very early on, I met
28:15
Speaker 5: with police, I've met with members of the community. I've
28:19
Speaker 5: been to homes in Bondai.
28:21
Speaker 3: Alexander he knows he's going to get a poor reception,
28:24
Speaker 3: so he's hiding. But you know very well that when
28:27
Speaker 3: John Howard implemented the gun laws after Port Arthur, he
28:30
Speaker 3: went out there, he faced his critics, he went out
28:32
Speaker 3: to the farmers, because that's what leaders do. Should the
28:35
Speaker 3: Prime Minister be going back to Bondai.
28:39
Speaker 7: He should be going and explaining the government's position to
28:42
Speaker 7: the Jewish community and explain why the government has not
28:48
Speaker 7: been more robust in dealing with anti Semitism, and he
28:52
Speaker 7: should explain to the Australian public while why on his
28:58
Speaker 7: watch Australia traditional liberalism.
29:02
Speaker 10: I mean that with a small l.
29:05
Speaker 7: A liberal society, a multi racial, multicultural society, has been
29:11
Speaker 7: shattered by these events. But of course the shattering has
29:16
Speaker 7: been building since the seventh of October twenty twenty three,
29:20
Speaker 7: so for over two years there has just been a
29:25
Speaker 7: creeping problem week in, week out and a month in
29:31
Speaker 7: a month out, and the attitude of the Labor Party
29:35
Speaker 7: has been well, sure, we're not in favor of anti Semitism.
29:39
Speaker 7: Of course they're not.
29:41
Speaker 10: But let's not go too hard on.
29:43
Speaker 7: The you know, the mosques and the m rms who
29:47
Speaker 7: are preaching hate, because that might cost us votes within
29:52
Speaker 7: Labor Party electorates those votes may hemorrhage to the Greens.
29:57
Speaker 7: All members of the Labor Party, I'll get a vote
30:00
Speaker 7: for the leadership. And you know, we don't have the
30:05
Speaker 7: details of who the members are, but some of those
30:08
Speaker 7: people could be members of the Labor Party. So you know,
30:12
Speaker 7: the thing about Anthony Alberzi as a prime minister, and
30:17
Speaker 7: I've seen and known many prime ministers of Australia, here's
30:21
Speaker 7: the one who never stops playing politics. Everything is about
30:27
Speaker 7: playing politics. It's nothing more serious than playing politics. Well, frankly,
30:34
Speaker 7: I think this event and his reaction to it has
30:39
Speaker 7: exposed the true Anthony Albanesi absolutely.
30:44
Speaker 3: Look, it's all about optics again. That's why I think
30:47
Speaker 3: that he hasn't gone back to Bondai because he doesn't
30:50
Speaker 3: want this to be his I don't hold a hose moment.
30:54
Speaker 3: I just want to ask you because you mentioned there,
30:56
Speaker 3: you know, the mosques, that we're talking about radical Islam.
30:58
Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's out said blaming gun laws. He's looking
31:02
Speaker 3: to amp up hate speech laws. But the fundamental, the
31:07
Speaker 3: fundamental heart of this is radical Islam. What needs to
31:10
Speaker 3: be done in your view to get to the bottom
31:12
Speaker 3: of this.
31:15
Speaker 7: Well, I think the laws are there already and the
31:19
Speaker 7: police need to implement the laws and they need leadership.
31:23
Speaker 7: They need leadership from the Prime Minister and the government.
31:26
Speaker 7: It needs to make They need to make it clear
31:28
Speaker 7: to the state governments of course responsible for the state
31:31
Speaker 7: police that as a nation, we will implement laws against
31:37
Speaker 7: people in citing violence. Now, having a big demonstration across
31:41
Speaker 7: Sydney Harbor Bridge or in front of the Opera House
31:45
Speaker 7: or you know, the Story Bridge or wherever it may be.
31:48
Speaker 7: In Brisbane, having a big demonstration and calling for the
31:54
Speaker 7: globalization of the inter FATA is calling for the killing
31:59
Speaker 7: of Jews. I mean, that is completely unacceptable. It is
32:03
Speaker 7: completely illegal to go around calling for the execution of people,
32:09
Speaker 7: to the killing of people. But we haven't been implementing
32:13
Speaker 7: the laws we already have. I mean there are politicians,
32:17
Speaker 7: labor politicians going around saying we need new laws.
32:21
Speaker 10: We already have laws.
32:23
Speaker 7: We need to implement the laws, and they need to
32:26
Speaker 7: show a lot more leadership than they've shown.
32:29
Speaker 3: Look absolutely, and I know the UK has now implemented
32:32
Speaker 3: though arrest people who do chant globalizing into FATA. So
32:35
Speaker 3: let's see if we follow suit. Alexander, Dad, I've got
32:38
Speaker 3: to leave it there, thanks very much. For joining me
32:39
Speaker 3: on the program. We'll stay with us. Coming up after
32:42
Speaker 3: the break. More on the ABC's offensive interview with Josh Friedenberg.
32:45
Speaker 3: The host of this show, Chris Kenny, is coming up next.
32:51
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Let's go live now to the host of
32:54
Speaker 3: The Kenny Report, Chris Kenny. Chris, thanks so much for
32:57
Speaker 3: joining me on your program tonight. We've got a lot
32:59
Speaker 3: to get through. It's been a big week. I want
33:01
Speaker 3: to start with the Prime Minister's admission today that he
33:03
Speaker 3: could have done more and that he regrets it. Here's
33:06
Speaker 3: what Susan Lee had to say to that. Have a
33:08
Speaker 3: listen today.
33:10
Speaker 18: We didn't see the Prime Minister take responsibility for the
33:15
Speaker 18: Bondai massacre. We didn't hear the Prime Minister say sorry,
33:23
Speaker 18: more could have been done. He said, well, Prime Minister,
33:28
Speaker 18: more should have been done. More should have been done.
33:33
Speaker 18: And two years ago Jewish Australians told you more needed
33:38
Speaker 18: to be done, and they told you what needed to
33:42
Speaker 18: be done to curb the rising tide of anti Semitism.
33:47
Speaker 3: Chris, what's your take on the admission?
33:51
Speaker 19: Well, that's the very least he could admit. To Denika,
33:54
Speaker 19: this is the problem. He is culpable. The Prime Minister
33:58
Speaker 19: because of the way he has failed to lead on
34:00
Speaker 19: this issue. Now, I think the political left, the political class,
34:04
Speaker 19: if you like, and the media and our law enforcement
34:08
Speaker 19: agencies have a lot to answer for, not just for
34:12
Speaker 19: the past two years, but for the past couple of
34:15
Speaker 19: decades when it comes to the way they've failed to
34:18
Speaker 19: respond to the Islamist extremist threat. Time and time again
34:22
Speaker 19: they failed to respond adequately. But nobody has failed as spectacularly,
34:28
Speaker 19: or with more warnings or by doing precisely the wrong
34:33
Speaker 19: thing than Anthony Albanizi has. Since he's become Prime Minister,
34:37
Speaker 19: and particularly since October the seventh, twenty twenty three.
34:40
Speaker 10: He has been pleaded with.
34:43
Speaker 19: People have begged him, people have lobbied him. They've publicly
34:47
Speaker 19: demanded that he do more and take up action, both
34:51
Speaker 19: to protect the Jewish Australian community, to protect law and
34:54
Speaker 19: order in this country, and to take on the scourge
34:57
Speaker 19: of Islamist extremism. People have done that privately and publicly,
35:01
Speaker 19: and he has monumentally failed to act, and now he's
35:04
Speaker 19: scurrying away.
35:06
Speaker 10: It is tragic because so many of us.
35:08
Speaker 19: As you know, Danika, have been talking about this and
35:11
Speaker 19: warning about this for so long, and what we see
35:14
Speaker 19: in response is fifty plus people shot at Bondai, fifteen
35:19
Speaker 19: of them dead, a ten year old girl. I've got
35:22
Speaker 19: to tell you, I find it so difficult to contain
35:25
Speaker 19: my anger over this because the government, and not just
35:29
Speaker 19: Al Benezi, of course, Penny Wong and Tony Burke and
35:32
Speaker 19: the rest of them, the government have been weak, absolutely weak,
35:36
Speaker 19: and sometimes for base and cynical political purposes, because they
35:41
Speaker 19: basically see that there's ten times as many Muslim votes
35:44
Speaker 19: for every ten Muslim votes for every Jewish Australian vote,
35:48
Speaker 19: and they make that calculations for political purposes, and it's tragedy.
35:53
Speaker 19: It's a tragedy that's still unfolding. He should be at
35:55
Speaker 19: Bondai today. He should be fronting the media telling us
35:58
Speaker 19: that he can assure us there are no other terrorist plots,
36:01
Speaker 19: there won't be another massacre like this.
36:03
Speaker 10: But he can't do that, and he won't do that.
36:06
Speaker 3: No, he won't do that. Today's admission. It's a catastrophic failure.
36:10
Speaker 3: You're spot on. Let's talk about the ABC. Sarah Ferguson's
36:14
Speaker 3: interview last night with Josh Fridenberg, where she saved this
36:16
Speaker 3: gotcha moment basically saying that his speech yesterday at the
36:19
Speaker 3: memorial was all for politics. What do you make of it?
36:26
Speaker 19: Look, this betrays the absolute political bias and ideological bent
36:32
Speaker 19: of the ABC.
36:33
Speaker 10: It's complete insensitivity to these issues.
36:37
Speaker 19: It's complete denial about the problem of Islamist extremism. To
36:42
Speaker 19: see someone like Josh Frodenberg so visibly moved and so
36:47
Speaker 19: angry on behalf of his community, the Australian Jewish community,
36:50
Speaker 19: in the face of the biggest terrorist attack this country's
36:53
Speaker 19: ever seen, and to try and spit in his face
36:56
Speaker 19: and say that he's playing politics, trying to resurrect his
36:59
Speaker 19: political career, it is just sickening. It is absolutely sickening.
37:04
Speaker 19: But sadly we've come to expect no better from the ABC.
37:07
Speaker 19: They are actually culpable as well for the way they
37:10
Speaker 19: have constantly engaged in g had denihalism for year after
37:14
Speaker 19: year after year. They've told us when man Monis was
37:18
Speaker 19: holding eighteen Australians hostage at the cafe in Sydney, they
37:22
Speaker 19: told us that, no, I don't worry, it's not a
37:24
Speaker 19: terrorist act.
37:25
Speaker 10: They told us, what was something else? Just a madman.
37:28
Speaker 19: So many times we've been told, oh, it's not terrorism.
37:30
Speaker 19: In fact, they've attacked the Australian community by pretending there'll
37:34
Speaker 19: be the problem of a backlash against Muslim Australians that's
37:37
Speaker 19: never happened. They can constantly give us this GHRD denihalism
37:41
Speaker 19: as I call.
37:42
Speaker 10: It, and so they are culpable as well.
37:44
Speaker 19: But the inhumanity of that reaction to Josh Friedenberg just
37:47
Speaker 19: shows the way that these hosts on the ABC, some
37:51
Speaker 19: of their leading figures, have a visceral hatred for conservatives
37:55
Speaker 19: that actually goes beyond common decency to other human beings.
38:00
Speaker 3: It's that g HAD denihalism. And I know that you're
38:02
Speaker 3: particularly fired up about this and we'll be reading more
38:05
Speaker 3: on your comments on this in the Australian newspaper Not
38:08
Speaker 3: to be missed. Chris Kenny, it's been good to have
38:10
Speaker 3: you on tonight. Really appreciate your analysis. Thank you very much.
38:13
Speaker 3: I just want to take you to some breaking news now.
38:16
Speaker 3: Heavily armed police have made have detained multiple men in
38:21
Speaker 3: Southwest Sydney, armed with guns in camouflage uniforms and helmets.
38:25
Speaker 3: The officers were seen in Liverpool. This is only just breaking.
38:28
Speaker 3: In the last few hours. A new South Wales Police
38:31
Speaker 3: spokesperson said that they were unable to comment on the
38:34
Speaker 3: ongoing police operation. It is understood a number of local businesses,
38:38
Speaker 3: including a medical center, have been placed into lockdown. At
38:42
Speaker 3: this stage, we are not sure if this is connected
38:45
Speaker 3: to Bondi, but we will be bringing you the very
38:47
Speaker 3: latest on this developing news as it comes to hand,
38:52
Speaker 3: so do stay with us on that. We've got to
38:55
Speaker 3: take a quick break coming up. Sky News has revealed
38:57
Speaker 3: alleged gunman sir Ged Akram was known to police and
38:59
Speaker 3: question by ASIO almost four years before he was granted
39:03
Speaker 3: a firearms license. How does that happen? Peter Jennings is next.
39:10
Speaker 3: More questions have been asked about why the two alleged
39:12
Speaker 3: gunmen were under closest surveillance by Australia's security authorities. Sky
39:17
Speaker 3: News has revealed the father, Sajed Akram, was known to
39:20
Speaker 3: police and questioned by ASIO almost four years before he
39:23
Speaker 3: was granted a firearms license, and six years before Sunday's attack,
39:27
Speaker 3: Australia's Domestic Spy Agency interviewed him alongside his son Navide
39:31
Speaker 3: Akram in twenty nineteen. Johnny may Now is former Defense
39:36
Speaker 3: Deputy Secretary. Peter Jennings Peter, thanks for your time. Why
39:39
Speaker 3: did this not raise red flags? Because the question is, then,
39:41
Speaker 3: how was Sajed Akram allowed to hold a firearms license
39:45
Speaker 3: within twelve months of his son also being examined by ASIOH.
39:52
Speaker 20: Well, good evening, Jeneka. I mean, it clearly should have
39:54
Speaker 20: raised red flags, along with the son's involvement in the
39:58
Speaker 20: street preaching outfit, and also obviously with the travel to
40:04
Speaker 20: a radical center in the Philippines. And I guess question
40:09
Speaker 20: that I would have is to say, well, if all
40:12
Speaker 20: of these things weren't enough to actually create warnings and
40:16
Speaker 20: indicators in our intelligence agencies and the police about these two,
40:22
Speaker 20: then what does that tell you about everyone else that
40:24
Speaker 20: might not be on an active watch list at the moment.
40:28
Speaker 20: I certainly accept the point that ASO and the police
40:32
Speaker 20: are overwhelmed with the level of the workload that they've got,
40:35
Speaker 20: they can't possibly be watching the hundreds and hundreds of
40:38
Speaker 20: people that have shown some level of extremist ideology and
40:42
Speaker 20: sympathy for that ideology. But all the same, here, I
40:46
Speaker 20: think what's emerging now is a picture of people that
40:49
Speaker 20: should have been followed more closely. There were not one
40:54
Speaker 20: or two, but actually several occasions when red flags should
40:57
Speaker 20: have been raised, and that's going to lead to some
41:00
Speaker 20: profound questions about why.
41:02
Speaker 14: Was this miss it.
41:04
Speaker 20: Does AZIO not have the right technology to help it
41:06
Speaker 20: actually use artificial intelligence to find these things with algorithms,
41:12
Speaker 20: you know, why did this fall between the cracks. We're
41:16
Speaker 20: going to have to get some detailed answers to that,
41:18
Speaker 20: and I think we also have to be concerned about
41:20
Speaker 20: who else might not be being looked at as closely
41:23
Speaker 20: as should be being looked at.
41:25
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, it doesn't leave you with a lot
41:27
Speaker 3: of assurance when you hear that the a lot of
41:30
Speaker 3: red flags have been missed. You mentioned the Philippines because
41:33
Speaker 3: the alleged gunman they'd been there a month prior to
41:36
Speaker 3: the attack. In the southern province of Mindanio, this is
41:40
Speaker 3: a region linked to Islamic insurgency. Why is that such
41:43
Speaker 3: a high risk area for extremism, Well, it.
41:47
Speaker 20: Has been for a long time. Mindanao province has actually
41:51
Speaker 20: been a center probably for the Islamic State in Southeast Asia.
41:55
Speaker 20: Back in twenty seventeen, there was a major siege of
42:00
Speaker 20: a town called Marawi, which had been occupied by the
42:04
Speaker 20: Philippines Branch of the Islamic State. It led to some
42:08
Speaker 20: of the longest and most complex urban warfare that we've
42:11
Speaker 20: seen in the Philippines. I guess really since the Second
42:14
Speaker 20: World War, so ment now in the south there's a
42:18
Speaker 20: hot bed of Islamist extremism, has been for decades and
42:22
Speaker 20: the center of Islamic State activity in Southeast Asia. And
42:27
Speaker 20: again that should have been a very clear warning sign
42:31
Speaker 20: to our intelligence agencies when the father and son went
42:35
Speaker 20: there just a month or so ago before before the
42:39
Speaker 20: Bondai attack.
42:41
Speaker 3: We're alm I sad time, but just on that. Then
42:43
Speaker 3: if they went there, this is because it's considered a
42:45
Speaker 3: travel hotspot in Australia, should that not have triggered some
42:49
Speaker 3: sort of an alert upon their return?
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Speaker 20: Yes, absolutely, danikout, it should have. And again I find it,
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Speaker 20: you know, what is the what's going on here? Is
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Speaker 20: AZIO so overwhelmed that they can't track all of these people?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 20: I know it's the case that ASIO has been struggling
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Speaker 20: to balance its caseload between domestic counter terrorism on the
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Speaker 20: one hand, and shall we say traditional espionage and dealing
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Speaker 20: with foreign interference on the other hand. And I think
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Speaker 20: this has become a very difficult balance for the organization
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Speaker 20: to manage over the last few years. It has to
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Speaker 20: do both. We need it to do both. But how
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Speaker 20: well resourced is it to handle that situation?
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Speaker 3: Well, that's the question. Does it need more resourcing? Clearly
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Speaker 3: it must do. Peter Jennings, appreciate your time. Thank you
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Speaker 3: very much for your analysis this evening. Coming up after
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Speaker 3: the break the Heroes of the massacre that are more
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Speaker 3: with Mark Nicholson and Tim Blair. Next joining me now
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Speaker 3: is our regular panel The Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair and
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Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson from step Mate Studios. Thank you to both
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Speaker 3: of you for joining me. Let's get straight into it.
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Speaker 3: Given the attacks in Bondi, Christmas and New Year's events
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Speaker 3: in Sydney as bond I have now been canceled or
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Speaker 3: they're in doubt, Tim, is that an appropriate response in
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Speaker 3: your view? Or should they be still going ahead? I
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Speaker 3: mean the community needs something to cling on to right now.
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Speaker 21: Absolutely. I think right now what they're doing is intelligently
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Speaker 21: hitting the pause but in a little and just waiting
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Speaker 21: to see which direction things are going. They've got to
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Speaker 21: get a lot of new security measures measures you to
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Speaker 21: assume in place, and they might be just buying a
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Speaker 21: bit of time before they announced that Yes, hopefully all
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Speaker 21: of those usual commemorative events and festival events will continue.
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Speaker 3: Mark, what do you think. So there's carols in the
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Speaker 3: city that's not been taking place this week, Christmas celebrations
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Speaker 3: being muted till Sunday, and over in Bondi New Year's
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Speaker 3: Eve celebrations have been canceled all together, appropriate or not.
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Speaker 16: Look, it's one of those things. Is I've actually kind
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Speaker 16: of I'm sort of guilty of never really caring about
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Speaker 16: carols ever. But in the midst of this now I'm like,
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Speaker 16: don't you dare take my carols away from me? God
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Speaker 16: damn it, don't you you dare.
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Speaker 10: Take it away? So I'm fired up.
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Speaker 16: I think we should be bringing them back. I think
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Speaker 16: we should be doing it instead. I want to do
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Speaker 16: it in spite of all the terrorism. So I'm advocating
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Speaker 16: for us all get out there and get it done.
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Speaker 16: Make sure it's safe, obviously, but let's come together, let's
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Speaker 16: get a going.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. Mark. Look, I can understand
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Speaker 3: the decisions being taken, but in my view, I think
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Speaker 3: the community needs something right now, and I think Carol's
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Speaker 3: actually bring people together. Personally. But look, let's see what
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Speaker 3: happens now we have to talk. I want to end
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Speaker 3: the show by talking about the heroes out of this tragedy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the list is just too long. I mean
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Speaker 3: I met our armed of course, who jumped on the
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Speaker 3: alleged gunman, has got the life savers, the police, the
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Speaker 3: first responders. Tim out of tragedy comes the Aussie spirit.
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Speaker 3: It's incredible.
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Speaker 21: There are so many fantastic hereer stories. There are books
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Speaker 21: obviously waiting to be written about these. There's little girls
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Speaker 21: who threw themselves top of three year olds to protect them.
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Speaker 21: There's the visiting French tourists who protect other people. Of course,
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Speaker 21: the two elderly Russian Jews who tackled the government themselves
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Speaker 21: and perished in the attempt. Everything is heroic about all
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Speaker 21: of the responses that the list does continue and continue.
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Speaker 21: It is extraordinary the stories that are emerging from this
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Speaker 21: absolute atrocity.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and daily we're hearing more and more stories. And
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Speaker 3: the vision that we're seeing, of course on the screen
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Speaker 3: right now is what you referred to. This is Boris
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Speaker 3: and Sophia German. You can see Boris there. He actually
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Speaker 3: wrestled the weapon. Mark off of one of the alleged gunments,
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Speaker 3: but unfortunately they were just outnumbered. But they tried and
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Speaker 3: I just look, it's really really hard to put it
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Speaker 3: into words, to be honest, what they tried to do
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Speaker 3: and the bravery they showed.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, it's honestly, it's awesome. Like that that footage there,
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Speaker 16: Arkhmed Archmed. When I saw that footage on Sunday night,
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Speaker 16: when I had my hand over my mouth, I was
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Speaker 16: like I was watching a Grand Final and it was
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Speaker 16: the kick after the Sirahen.
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Speaker 3: I was like, get him, go, go, go go.
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Speaker 10: I was so excited. I was so happy.
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Speaker 16: It was amazing footage to get and that's and like
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Speaker 16: the life savers carrying people on surfboards. But I also
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Speaker 16: want to point something out as well as something that
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Speaker 16: struck me on Wednesday and throughout this whole week, the
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Speaker 16: unsung heroes of this whole Traggedy as well as you
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Speaker 16: guys who were reporting live from the very second it was.
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Speaker 16: I'm telling you right now, if you had me on air,
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Speaker 16: I would have been guilty of these hate crimes immediately.
47:29
Speaker 16: With some of the things I would have said. I
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Speaker 16: would not known what to say. I would have been speechless.
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Speaker 16: You guys spoke with poise, you spoke with responsibility. You
47:36
Speaker 16: said alleged shooter would never have said that. You had
47:39
Speaker 16: the right commentary. You called balls and stripes, You spoke
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Speaker 16: from your chest, You spoke the truth. Chris, yourself, Christy,
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Speaker 16: Shari all ran into the onto the scene. Honestly, I
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Speaker 16: think you guys haven't had any of the recognition so far.
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Speaker 16: But I find that just as HURRAII, because you told
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Speaker 16: us and showed us what it was all about, and
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Speaker 16: that was really special. So thank you.
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Speaker 3: Look appreciate that. Mark, thank you, thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: And you know it is our duty to bring the
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Speaker 3: very latest information to our viewers on you know what
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Speaker 3: is just such an awful tragedy. Tim. There has been
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Speaker 3: calls maybe for Ahmed al Ahmed, should he be the
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Speaker 3: next Australian of the Year. What do you reckon?
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Speaker 21: Yes, but I'd also group in all the other heroes.
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Speaker 21: This is an incredible group group effort. I think that
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Speaker 21: I think that he was the first and therefore the
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Speaker 21: most notable, but my words, some of the incredible efforts
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Speaker 21: that followed as well, that we learned about rather subsequently.
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Speaker 21: I think I think as a group effort. Australians of
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Speaker 21: the Year for sure, Australians of the decade.
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Speaker 3: Almost our time. But what do you reckon Mark group effort?
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Speaker 16: Well, I love it, I love it, share it around.
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Speaker 10: It's it's so good.
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Speaker 16: It's the only upshot from this whole tragedy.
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Speaker 3: I'm with you both all the way, Tim and Mark.
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Speaker 3: We've got to leave it there. Good to see it
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Speaker 3: was always Thanks for joining me. Coming up now, Peter Credlin,
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Speaker 3: good night,