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Ziyarah, Arbaeen Walk & Luxury Hotels · After Maghrib 🌙

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All the belonging to shut down, like, you know, regimes melodic,
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minor him disrespected, brothers and sisters, around the world.
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Salam alaikum, warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.
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Welcome back to another after Maghrib podcast, where we've
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been talking about all things Muharram over the last few
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weeks, and of course, trying to find ways to connect to about
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the loan, her saying some, a lot of like was not morally.
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And, of course, the story The Legacy that he's left for us to
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find ways to bring that to our life.
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But today, we've got an interesting topic, looking
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ahead, and show a lot to this. Season of are buying before we
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get into that say that either. How you doing, hon?
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The luck. I'll complain.
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Yeah, selfie backhand Allah. And Allah, of course we have a
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special guest today as well. We do, say them hundred and
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more. So we all the way from London.
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Salaam alaikum, are you doing very nice to have you on?
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Thank you very much for having me on.
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Yeah. And you've listened to a few
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podcasts. I believe of course you've been
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part of the channel beforehand. Yeah I've been on the channel a
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few times. Last time was I think 2015 with
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brother say that yellow as well. And we don't question of the
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enzyme de lo it was successful was good.
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But yeah. So I've just been busy since
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then and been working on a few projects and hamdulillah
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recently. I've just opened up a burger
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joint shrunk buggers. So, I've been focusing on that
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I've been quite busy with with, with that, really?
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Yeah, so yeah, thank you for having me on and I noticed,
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Pleasure. You're on a big TV and on after
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murder, it's a pleasure to have, you know, anyone who's joining
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us. Anyone who's anyone who's gone
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to shrunk, nose is the real deal.
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So I said the other day. Yeah, I'll get enough.
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Delicious burgers. And, of course, those at home
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will remember said Mohammed from his time.
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You guys will know something. Confession, I actually won a
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prize. Thanks, I'll question of the
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yeah. I wanna it was a This which had
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the Cut Above by the artist siddiqa, Jama sister city,
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government said had a carb on the bottom, right, and hand
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written thousands of times. Lol.
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Rather now it's a, I remember, yes, it was.
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When I, when I moved into my house, my like, the first time I
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moved out my parents house. The first thing I put up, and I
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remember what I wanted. I was because you started the
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show before 2015, right? And they did it for a couple of
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years from not mistaken. Thing was, yeah, we do it for
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one year, one year, maybe 2014 or something.
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I want it. But it was almost daily Ramadan
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so I yeah, yes, it was one of the and I remember thinking I'm
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going to keep this for special day.
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I'm the law. It's a good show you something.
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I'm Darla so I say today, of course, we're what we're talking
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about. We are talking about Sera, but
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I'm particular ZR at Otterbein and I know say the man, you have
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been to our brine on more than one occasion.
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Yes. And before we, you know, I
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think, Go deep into the conversation.
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You know what are the benefits? What are the recommendations?
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I think if you can possibly share with us here today and
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those listening to the podcast at home will be driving on the
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way to work. What has been one experience
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that you can share with us from one of your are buying
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experiences? Well, 100, I have been quite a
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few times to Iraq and 2zr Teledyne and it's an
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unforgettable experience. Especially much time.
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I feel like the first time it's an eye-opener, it's something
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that is an experience that you will never.
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Forget is an experience that you'll never have anywhere else.
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I'm d'lai have been to hijack and to Urban, and they are
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different experiences, but the two amazing experiences in
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themselves, and I feel like they totally different in a sense but
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our brain is zeroth law behind something that I advise everyone
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to go. At least once in your lifetime.
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It's an experience that you'll never forget.
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It's something that will stay with you for the rest of your
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life. Mmm.
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So alhamdulillah, I have been given the opportunity to go many
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times, but unfortunately, for the last 56 years, I haven't
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been due to commitments and then covid and so on.
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So, Sha Allah, insha, Allah tell them I'm pregnant again and get
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to experience that and it's the first time.
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Yes, it's amazing. The second or third time it's
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all every single time you go. It's just clothes on unique.
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Yeah. Is everything.
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There's always something that happens during that period that
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stays with you and I yeah so I advise everyone to go if they
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can and to be honest with you is such a experience that you
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really don't need anything. Other than Book a flight.
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So that's all you need. I don't think I've heard of or
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know of any other pilgrimage or any other place country that you
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can go to and just booked a ticket and everything else.
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You don't even need to worry about.
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Not at all. You don't even need to know
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anyone there. So I feel like that's the
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beautiful thing that it accommodates to anyone and
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everyone. So it's interesting, you mention
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the save 100 because what we're going to do hopefully is look at
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impressions of other buying for people who have gone maybe.
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And people who haven't gone and I fall into the camp of someone
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who's not had the opportunity to go form during the Antebellum
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Period and allow being 40, but not, but specifically during the
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other buying period and maybe find ways I think for us to get
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a better picture of like, you know what, to expect.
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If you haven't gone and if you have gone and Charlotte, next
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time you go maybe how to make more of the experience.
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So the first question I want to ask you is for those who have
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been for the yarder and have been too kind of below or
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whatever, what an edger for you. Have understood this yacht
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experience but haven't been funded by in.
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How is it different? How is going to karbala outside
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of this season different to going during If you don't mind
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me answering say firstly I feel like we've both been so we both
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have been together being together, being together as
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yeah, on two occasions and we've been separately, but I feel like
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during our being I've been during the era as well just not
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during our by. So I have had the experience of
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the two and I feel like Junior dying is just the fact that
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you're seeing hundreds of thousands of people.
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Just within what your I can see all directed towards one place.
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I don't answer that. I feel like that feeling is just
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something you have to be there to experience.
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It's the same with Hodge that first look when I first looked
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at the cab and I see all these people doing power off and it's
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just your feel like you're part of something.
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And you're you're all together in this one.
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Place with one cause and with one destination and that is our
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full. What gets to you when you first,
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I know there's a place where in Jeff, when I first start walking
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after about an hour, you get to a place where you can see miles
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and miles away and you just see endless people and just walking.
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Yeah, to one place and you look back, you see the same thing
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behind you. It's just and then you feel like
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I'm just here in this one minute looking there and yet this is
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going on for weeks on end. People are just walking towards
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this one place so that I felt like that is one thing that will
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stick with you and and once you do experience that, it's
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something that will stay with you.
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For forever scent. A scent and you know why you are
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speaking about watching all of these hundreds of thousands
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walking. I was remembering that there was
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a point in the first time that I went, I should see on TV.
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So you'll see on TV all these you know millions of the wall
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walking like where they coming from.
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Yeah and I actually went there, we experience and I'm like truly
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where are they coming from? Because as far as the eye can
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see, yeah just doesn't it just keeps coming and coming and
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Masha, Allah, you know, every year they say, the numbers are
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increasing the largest peaceful. There's a guy in the world or
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something like that. I mean, I don't know how many on
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Peaceful Gatherings up because in this violent Gatherings are
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20 million, people be crazy, but for like that, that in itself
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saying that it's the largest gathering has yes.
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So much attention to it and recently, over the last few
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years you've been seeing photographers people travel.
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Not even, you know, that's very interesting that not one of
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them. Has had bad experience and it's
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just something that you can see, they're touched.
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And even that they're not Muslim, they're touched by, and
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just seeing these minions and people heading towards that one
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place and being there, it's brought attention to it.
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And I felt like that's a good thing as well or just make some
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people ask more questions. So I want to ask you guys
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something because I was speaking to a friend last night believe
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or not who said to me, he said to me that he had the
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opportunity last year to go for the auto button and Whole family
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went his group went and he didn't go and I remember he told
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me he didn't go because of a certain reason and he said it
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was a logistical problem and work and this and that he told
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me that after that he didn't actually go because he didn't
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feel worthy of being in the presence of Bob Dylan.
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I'm saying now there's going to be people at home listening
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right now? Who think I have the money.
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I have the time I could go this year for example, but I don't
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feel like I'm deserving. I'm not worthy this Myspace.
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Can be given to someone who's waited 50 years, 60 years and
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has never had the opportunity. What would you say to them?
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I would say, everyone is worthy and more sense for everyone.
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So, no matter how you feel about yourself, yeah, you should make
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the intention to go, but I think it's important for want to talk
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about self-worth? Is that if you do have the
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intention to go, don't just go and come back, make sure that
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when you go you change, when you come back, I started to become a
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better person. Yeah, I don't know how people
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I've never. Ian's not having that worth.
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So I don't know how to relate to the brother but I think it's
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totally normal to feel like, yeah.
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I think it's in life and you just feel like I maybe you're
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not that, I never. Why would you like, why would
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you not feel Worthy is because you feel like maybe also, they
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think that they don't like, they don't think going there is going
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to make them change and they don't want it to because I heard
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going there for months, and that's going to stop me and
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change, or maybe, maybe it's humiliation.
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Like, for example, you're on the prayer mat, yes, you've done
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something, that's done a sin. Yeah.
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Yeah. And 20 minutes later you'll
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bring Jamal whoever and you can't escape your own delay.
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Anything I've just done something really bad, you know,
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I've just listened to music on my way to the Masjid, and now
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I'm coming home to pray Market or whatever.
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Like, it might be a similar sort of feeling with, there's like an
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a guilt. And you kind of think, like, if
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I had a choice, I'd rather not be here because it's
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uncomfortable. So to avoid that, some people
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may feel the same way, I love Imam Hussain, but I don't feel
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like he would want me to be in his presence.
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I think I understood it correctly because I because I
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Because, you know, people will say, I want to go to Hajj.
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Yes, I'll go. When I'm ready.
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So I was sort of relating it to that sort of talk.
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This is what I feel like it's fine to feel that way.
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It's totally normal. Don't feel like you're not,
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you're not normal. Yeah.
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But it's feel like it's a stepping stone for you to change
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in that. Hussein will want you, whether
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you're now or not or you're worthy on, your everyone is
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worthy and it will definitely change your.
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I don't feel this like something, you're going to go
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and come back and you're going to be the same person.
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Um and I think it's probably a case where it's not just those
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yard and and the holding of the shrine which will change.
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Its the immersive experience, the congregational prayer, and
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the Decker and the head man that you see on the streets and the
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the like the children that you see the hospitality.
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It's a collective experience towards goodness.
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Am I, right? Boss?
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You are absolutely right. You know, people they make
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Journeys to, you know, people always use like Dubai as a
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destination because there's always this great five-star on
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compare. Hospitality, but they figure
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you're paying for it. When you go to Iraq as free
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Hospitality from the heart for the heart and the love of the
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moment, was a nice alignment is so beautiful.
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Just to see how people just do anything.
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And everything. In the name of one person.
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I saw my remember the I think the first year we went together,
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there was this little kid. You're so cute, I still
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remember. And he was literally going
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around the yellow bin. I can remember the yellow bit
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I've got Little that's picking up, everyone's rubbish.
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Why don't you walk the carpet that it was like my duty is to
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clean after the zoo are of Imam Husain.
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Then I will go to karbala and he was so small.
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I just as a clock on the way he was thinking like a little kid,
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Imam Hussein had an impact on me because I think the people Cools
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and generally speaking this me being an on Rocky but with
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hamdulillah like a lot of experience within the hierarchy
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culture, the hospitality of Rocky people is unmatched, its
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unmatched like I feel like especially during that period
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yes yeah I can't talk about any other period but during that
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period is when we go and get to experience the hospitality I
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need any other period? Yes there is still.
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We've got this sense or in our case like Halle Halle on me.
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Like in everywhere you go in taxis, wherever you go, they
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don't want to Some payment, but they just say it in a way where
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okay, they still want but this is a courtesy kinds of, yeah,
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but it does that overwhelm you as an arc is very over, someone
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who's being multiple times but something I feel like we're very
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proud of that we've got in our. So I feel like seeing the jeans,
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like, is something that is even the young ones are brought up on
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this. Like, like I said, I just
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mentioned. They give the visitors a chance
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to visit. That's another part of
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hospitality. They don't want to go and
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overcrowd the place. So the rocky say, let the
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visitors go. Then we'll go off the like some
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of them the locals and so on, but the hospitality and all the
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homes are open. Everything really don't know.
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These people set up tents, everything I could think of,
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from charging, your phone to, to Wi-Fi, to a place to stay
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massages. Massages, massages are big deal.
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This was all for free. Remember, I remember missing,
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you know, Proms and Buggies. There's people who are repairing
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these Marshals people who repair, the slippers of the zoo
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are like wheelchairs, don't ya think of is there.
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And that's the beautiful thing. And I remember, even a story,
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people just want firstly that they, they want to pull you in.
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They want to. It's like they're fighting for
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the for the guests. And for those who are so you
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walk past the tenant, there, they're cooking a sir.
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Food you as a human. You think are right.
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Maybe I don't like that food. Let me go to the next ten.
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Yeah, they don't know you. They just pull you and they like
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you have to come after the other half.
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They want that for what they want to be able to serve and the
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story I want to go back to is I remember that we were staying in
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one of the places on the way and there was like a little house
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through the desert, we stayed there and we left our sorry
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slippers outside and shoes and we noticed that in the morning,
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One of the neighbors had taken those slippers and shoes of ours
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and put them outside his house. And we were thinking, why why
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would you do it? They're not there.
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And then we weren't looked on the wall over there and was
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thinking why but then when we asked him he was like listen you
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all asleep. I didn't have anyone that I'll
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be able to bring in. I wanted at least the the shoes
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and slippers of this award that walked all that way.
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I want them to at least bless my house and bless my thoughts upon
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also. They think in that way.
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I think that any means necessary.
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I want to gain something because they must be, there must be an
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element of divinity in in the ZR of the moment, but I guess there
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must be a market like we know, of course, Hadith of Imam.
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Remind me the signs of the Believers through personalized.
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Korea will be mom is 5, sine, 5, signs of one of them is, of
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course, one of them, chocolate wine.
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And of course, to be able to go. And we've mentioned this, I
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think on previous podcast, but of course, across the Course of
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1350 or years. The, the amount of the
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population of people who have had the opportunity with a
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blessing to visit about the letter saying is, is minuscule.
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If you think of it now today in this day and age with 300
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million tree, for example, but across the course of history
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given obviously access issues and so on and so forth.
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And of course, dictatorships and so on and so forth.
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But even now today, when, when you have millions of people
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going every year, it's still a small percentage of people who
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have been blessed with the will I ever meet him on?
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The in who have had the opportunity to go and visit
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about the lotto saying, so it's the there must be a high-ranking
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and when you see the locals and they dedicate their lives to it
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and they're born and brought up towards serving the zawar.
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It's because they see the blessing that we have to be able
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to do the zeona. Do you see what I mean?
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Maybe we take it for granted. Maybe we think I was just like a
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everyday decision do I book? Maybe not like I do.
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I feel like it but it's something which in my opinion if
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we have the chance the opportunity to do we should
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throw everything at 100%. Percent.
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And, you know, they say is not even ask, like making the
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decision. Should we book or should we not?
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See, actually chosen? Yeah.
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So in the data to be written invited by the world itself to
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come and shallow, we are the lucky ones shall show.
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We have been in Charlotte. We get to go again and people
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listening at home, wherever the hearings podcast show that they
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have this opportunity to go as well.
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This say them Hamid Ansari. I've got a story in najaf when
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we were there together, but I'm not going to share on the
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podcast. Oh, I need to hear this, it was
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a very positive story. We work group of like I think 45
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shabaab and we had no place to stay and save hundreds from
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Nazareth in Iraq. Mmm.
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So, you know, hamdulillah his family opened their arms to us
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and we ended up at your uncle's place.
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Yes. First, it was at my father's
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Hotel manager, mmm. And the story was down.
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Fortunately, I had already invited them.
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Told them were going to get whole floor too.
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Ourselves, don't worry about it. This is why I don't want to
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share it in Ruins. I was young at the time and
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obviously, I want to serve them their conditioning, you know,
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the whole nine. You know, I was very excited
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promises. Yeah, exactly.
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This obviously, is through my father and then, obviously, at
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the time with this, why are there so many the hotel's?
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Fully booked I thought were going to have space and suddenly
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a whole bus of Iranian pilgrims came.
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And yeah, we didn't have space. So unfortunately, what we had to
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do is just I'm doing all my grandfather's house is literally
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about five minute walk from the hotel.
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So we just took blankets and pillows and everyone just into
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the house and handling my uncle was there at the time he was
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able to serve the brothers and so yeah.
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So all cramped into this one room but was an experience so
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experience like that making it was amazing.
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Yeah, the reason why I wanted to mention it was I wanted to prove
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the point that people in Iraq during are buying, they open
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their homes. Yes, and it's Uncle.
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Opens up. It was a kid.
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He doesn't know any of us. Let's overcrowded.
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And how many people? And then even the morning, he
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woke up without even asking them.
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You won't got the course breakfast.
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Wow, even if it's just like standing outside their homes and
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giving water, or charai or tea, or whatever it may be, they just
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want to serve and they wait for that time of the year.
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I feel like they gained something throughout the year,
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something from that time, so I feel like they gained that
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Baraka. That keeps them going.
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Maybe that extra funds or money, too.
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Then go first of the year because of serving the
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definitely the they must do because we know we have
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narrations again I've read that him.
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You spend in the way of a moment for saying yes it counts as 10,
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hope I'm not wrong. Listen II have not died of a
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massive part of what's on every got him.
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So when you came I'm feeling emotional right now.
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Part of me is thinking like pray for me and Charles and for all,
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I've been many of us who have not had your Batman.
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Also there this year, Charlie, I'll see you there a lot of the
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experiences of other buying and and the hospitality and so on so
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forth. Now I want to kind of put you
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guys on the spot. I said I didn't know, is I love
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to do the sir, did you read this way?
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The way I'm gonna put you guys on the spot, I'm going to ask
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you rapid fire. Impressions that people have of
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the turbine and then you told me true or false and maybe why is
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that cool? Yeah that's fine.
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Best before you start your rapid fire, does this question I want
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to ask and maybe you don't want to share it best.
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I think I'll be amazing. You can share with us.
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Okay? Why have you never been to the
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audit? A lot of wine.
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I know you've been a rock outside yet handle I have.
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And I've been four different genre.
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Sorry to put you on the spot know.
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So I mean there's always one or the other.
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I know you are someone who has this connection with about the
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law yet. You haven't been to our party.
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Yeah. I don't know why.
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Allah knows best to be really honest.
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I asked myself the same thing every year and it's not good,
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it's not good. I don't know, I don't know what
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it is. I don't know when she'll feel
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like it's a bad thing. I don't think there's I don't
22:02
think for me personally I feel like I was waiting, you know,
22:06
when I was talking to my wife about this for people who can't
22:10
go or haven't been invited this year, there surely is a reason
22:13
either. People are going, this is the
22:14
way I see us. Someone is not being either,
22:16
you're going because Allah Subhan Allah is giving you an
22:19
opportunity to better yourself and to use that as a catalyst
22:22
improve, or maybe as a reward, just sort of mean you deserve
22:26
it. So you get to go and that's what
22:27
you crave and desire or because I lost my aunt thinks if you're
22:30
not going maybe you can reach your potential without having to
22:34
go. Maybe you don't need that like
22:37
extra push and a lot of things that you are capable and doing
22:41
for doing it by yourself. And you're going to work harder
22:42
and harder and harder until you get the reward to go to see what
22:45
I mean. Because when we speak about
22:47
answering the are, especially in our, in our school of thought,
22:51
we think, at least the way we understand it is that what we
22:54
may see as a hindrance or a pain.
22:56
The last part of this is as a lesson or a blessing.
22:59
Listen, like, for example, you take a baby for an a vaccination
23:01
Mission, short-term pain there, crying the nulls going on.
23:05
They think they're world's coming to an end but only the
23:07
parents and the doctor will know that this is for your own good.
23:10
So you're not getting what you want and this is troubling you
23:12
for the time being, but there's a reason behind it.
23:15
So, last time, Tyler knows, there's a lot of people, I think
23:18
who are yearning to go people, who probably haven't been for
23:20
decades since before the bat that year or perhaps, you know,
23:23
there must be people around the world have been waiting for
23:26
decades and decades to go and sha Allah.
23:28
We ask Allah wanted to give them that opportunity.
23:31
But I don't know. I don't have a reason to answer
23:33
a question in short, that was amazing.
23:54
Maybe there's a reason that I want you to come with your
23:58
family. For example, I want you to come
24:00
with with your son, You got them saying, maybe I have to be
24:03
ready. You'll like the way you're
24:05
thinking is the way everyone should think rather than what
24:08
you mentioned, the beginning about not being worthy.
24:10
You should think of it. Like how you just always so
24:13
anyone that is that heard that I'm thinking that I'm not
24:15
worthy, rather think what Ahmed just mentioned that if I'm not
24:19
going, maybe there's a bigger reason why is it?
24:21
I'm sure there's everyone will have their own reasoning and
24:24
their rationale but are we am I okay, to throw these questions
24:28
again, you are. Okay.
24:29
All right, ready? So the first one and before we
24:31
get started, Tired. But this is I just want to say
24:33
that whatever questions or discussions we have now are
24:36
simply a result and critique that we've come up with
24:39
ourselves or that people have asked us to talk about.
24:41
And of course, there's never any discouragement that we would
24:46
give to someone to go for the art, a lot of buy-in.
24:48
And, you know, Charlotte, maybe we can learn something.
24:50
And it's experience for us, who maybe haven't been.
24:52
Are you guys ready? I'm ready.
24:53
Okay, so when I say three, I want you to say true or false.
24:57
I'm gonna count to three, okay, okay, so first, the first
25:00
misconception is People treat ZR2 Urban as a large strip 123
25:07
true? Is that two trues?
25:10
Yeah, really why? That's interesting, I don't have
25:15
a personal experience of it. This I know many people who have
25:19
been zr0 with friends who have them is like a holiday.
25:25
Okay, so we are on holiday at the same time.
25:27
That makes sense. Besides, I think I believe we
25:30
can do outside the turbine season or something can do
25:33
outside of Muharram that we can feel like is fine to have that
25:36
kind of social a social element into, as Yara to make it.
25:41
Socializing is fine. But you can treat as a holiday,
25:44
of course. Not.
25:44
Of course, you can't. She has all the I don't think
25:46
anyone that has. Yeah.
25:48
But with a street, when you say holiday, people say I need a
25:50
break or I need to unwind or well actually, that's exactly
25:54
right. Relaxing in any way over and it
25:56
essentially are not know, rejuvenating, replenishing, your
25:58
energy, whatever, whatever sort of energy, physical, probably
26:01
not physical when you go for other by in but like a spiritual
26:04
energy, you what I feel like there's any way in both you your
26:07
is social by the same time. There is always that aspect,
26:11
that's not holiday. You always reminded that's not a
26:13
holiday. You might have that bit of
26:15
laughter that bit of socializing but it's I don't think it's ever
26:19
considered or anyone does consider it already.
26:21
Maybe I don't know if you know but from the people that I have
26:24
been Ben wave or the times I have been with.
26:27
Yes, there is a bit of fun and laughter and socializing, but
26:31
then you're just just fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
26:35
If there isn't something that has gone over the limits and are
26:38
you aware of the time of where you are a special?
26:41
And I think, especially during the last the walk.
26:45
Yes. Because you're not reminded as
26:48
much. You always with your friends and
26:49
you're trying to like part-time, it's not to mention exactly
26:52
motivation to not remember that. Higher than so.
26:55
And so you try to socialize a bit more, but once you are in
26:59
karbala and during the last like three nights before ordained a,
27:05
I feel like that's more. Okay, you start to realize that.
27:08
Okay, we're not here to laugh and we're here to be less
27:11
focused on ourselves and do this Ciara properly and try to
27:15
spiritually gain, something out of this.
27:17
And I feel like from what I've seen, most people are like that
27:20
and they do tree in that way, enough, fair enough.
27:22
But there's no problem with having that.
27:24
Offal socializing loft or whatever, maybe to a certain
27:28
extent, so a large holiday. I don't know if what you define
27:34
as a lot of your Lids on really, kind of a holiday, but not
27:39
really or holidays. You're going to visit by the
27:41
same time. You're not, it's not throughout
27:43
the whole time. You're in ZR though, you are.
27:45
There are some periods that you're maybe going out to a
27:47
restaurant you're going to eat with the boys which is also
27:50
seeing my careful with tea or something.
27:52
Go ahead and do the day so there isn't That always sense of Z out
27:56
on your reminded of you need to be spiritual and serious, and
27:59
upset and morning, so you need that.
28:02
And at the end of the day, if I'm honest, if you're going to
28:05
go with anyone, go with your friends, who encouraged you to
28:07
come with them, and you say will be with next year in Hazard and
28:10
the best of friends are those who tell you.
28:12
That's goes, yeah, that we've said this before the podcast.
28:16
Okay, so next question, people tend not to care about the
28:21
environment when they go further by in 12 23 true to an extent,
28:26
okay? Interesting, yeah, for talking
28:29
about like rubbish, then hundred percent certain got themselves.
28:34
You got blankets and pillows off that they sleep or like throwing
28:38
stuff on the floor literally. I think it's mainly littering.
28:41
Yeah, mainly, what do you know? There are millions but I don't
28:45
think we can say that. They are not looking after the
28:47
place because you have to imagine there are millions of
28:50
meals and cups and spoons and color, really napkin.
28:54
Whoever is millions a day. Yeah, being utilized being used
28:58
to the for those who are sometimes there's no space are
29:01
I'll fast, you know? Yeah, well they call Dust bins.
29:04
And, you know, those videos I'm Paula Zahn and there is no space
29:08
so you have to wait for, you know, the locals come pick them
29:11
up in the truck which does happen know what Non-Stop about
29:13
it. That's one thing I've realized.
29:15
Yeah, but Iraq infrastructure. He doesn't really have a dozen
29:19
which is a shame and and place as much and if someone's not
29:23
going to pick if I'm throwing something and you know there's
29:26
no paid counsel workers is going to do it for someone else is
29:29
going to do it or it stays there and someone opens their front
29:31
door and the kids go to school in that stepping over our Which
29:34
I think we've got be conscious generally that if you're in a
29:37
certain place at a certain time, be conscious of where you are
29:39
and make more of an effort, of course for like this everywhere,
29:42
even in my jollies here ionian even.
29:44
Imagine, I only mentioned this point because, you know, the
29:48
land of karbala is go significance and the science of
29:51
soil carbon and we consider it as Janet Allah, the Arabic as in
29:56
this is truly a piece of heaven on Earth.
30:01
All right. Next one.
30:03
Zod. A lot of buying has become
30:05
commercialized. One, two, three, maybe.
30:11
Maybe as well II. Don't know.
30:12
What do you mean by commercialized?
30:14
I think it's open to interpretation but I think what
30:17
people would assume is that it's become like a way to make money
30:22
for something, not even just a way to make money, but it's
30:24
become like, another thing is that also about groups, of
30:27
course, we the more groups, the better in my opinion.
30:31
And yeah, that's what I thought. When you said a commercialize, I
30:33
thought came to my mind but for someone, for example, who has
30:36
not been the first thing, I think I was, I have to go with
30:40
the group. Well, I can't go, she showed him
30:42
in. Well, I'm going to go by myself.
30:44
The beautiful thing about Seattle by now, I think you can
30:47
agree on. Anyone can agree.
30:48
It's, you don't need to know anyone.
30:50
You don't need to have been to Iraq before.
30:53
You don't need anything. Like, I mentioned, we can adjust
30:56
the ticket. That's all you need.
30:57
You don't even get that. You don't even need to know the
30:58
language, right? So okay fine.
31:00
So just get there and I don't, you will say, but however, it's
31:03
better to go with the group if you've never been, of course,
31:06
because they're going to show you certain places that you
31:08
haven't been to, you won't know to go if you want to go.
31:10
Oh alone and they'll tell you that lecturer guidance and the
31:14
guidance and and obviously is so you do learn a lot by going with
31:18
a group. I advise so either as a benign,
31:20
I think going with a group could be more spiritual definitely
31:24
because you have more of the other idea is you have more than
31:27
GRE have more than limitations. You have more lectures and you
31:31
they take your places. And a lot of the times, not
31:34
everyone really understands, for example, Arabic, on us out to
31:37
read. Yeah.
31:38
An Arabic and the truth, the beauty, the beauty about my
31:40
question probably. Should have been is about to go
31:41
by his offer on a group, okay? But if I haven't been and you're
31:45
not from Iraq, go with the group makes your local and you know
31:48
rock, then you, you can check another thing.
31:51
Probably we can mention about this.
31:52
Commercialization topic is complaints that people have from
31:56
non Arab communities and I know because I have a lot of friends
31:59
who have been with, there are key friends, for example, hmm.
32:03
And they found that they get treated differently.
32:05
For example, when they're in the soup in a Marketplace, for
32:07
example, but the bars are so you're buying guide.
32:10
They Deja Vu, argument's sake. Yeah, and you don't speak Arabic
32:13
and it's clear as day or non-arab and you are charged a
32:17
different price to a local. For example, what do you guys
32:20
does it exist? Firstly?
32:21
Because, like I said, I've not experienced this myself
32:23
everywhere. Firstly.
32:24
Yeah. Not specifically to the other
32:26
day nor Iraq I feel like in every country exists in every
32:29
but soon, as you mentioned, I remembered my last trip to
32:32
Turkey. That's exactly what I
32:33
experience, especially when there's more does not limit.
32:36
So when you see millions of people and thousands of people
32:39
coming through the shop and through the door.
32:41
There's there's more demand for your stuff and you just want to
32:44
put the prices up and it's no point.
32:45
There's no problem. I feel that throughout the year
32:48
because there isn't any visitors they wait for that period of one
32:52
month to make their money. So they can.
32:53
It make sense that it's a peak season?
32:55
And I don't feel like I say again, over charged.
32:58
In a sense, we're still cheaper for like, even after they're
33:01
overcharging, you it's just over charge because it's higher than
33:04
the price that they put it throughout the whole.
33:06
I think just even then sorted relatively the amount that even
33:10
if If it's hiked up the amount that you pay for product, there
33:13
is nothing compared to, you know what I mean, someone told me a
33:15
story about a week ago, they gave a tip to to a guy at the
33:21
hotel who was helping them out for like a couple of weeks and
33:24
it gave him like 10 pounds or 20 pounds, something like a very
33:27
small for us and the guy refused to take.
33:30
He said, if I take it, I'll get as much up because this is like,
33:33
why aren't in a few weeks for example, and they'll think I've
33:36
stolen it or something like that cause well, so, it just goes to
33:39
show. Like, for us, we are We might be
33:41
able to say prices have gone up and stuff, but it's still
33:43
relatively even if they do high cut prices, it's not it's not
33:47
everyone. Also by the way, it's not
33:48
really. Yeah, there's not really a price
33:49
hike. Some people give you as many
33:51
people really discounts free products as well.
33:53
How many people give you stuff? We just mentioned the hospital.
33:55
Yeah so it's just that there's two aspects.
33:58
Of course the whole bow need to make money.
34:00
Yeah so by the way is not really people hiking up the price.
34:03
It's I know some shops there and for them, it's about like
34:08
exchange rates, for example, we know there, Rocky kind of fought
34:12
more than 5,000 yards. For example, five thousand
34:15
dinars could be 20 pence for the guy coming from the United
34:17
Kingdom. So what's an extra pound true
34:20
self. I'm not saying it's right or
34:22
wrong relativity. And the other thing, especially
34:24
like in the Middle East places, like, Syria, Iran, Iraq, there's
34:28
always negotiations. While the price you get first, I
34:31
was in, well, the shop you enter there is no price tag.
34:34
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure we've all been
34:36
get that some Arabic shops here. And yeah, that's true.
34:39
There's no price tag because you stopped They have this tradition
34:42
of negotiations and then you find the point where you both
34:44
agree on baseball and that's the price.
34:46
Yeah. And I think probably for people
34:47
who have not experienced that. Or let's say if you're born and
34:49
brought up here and the price is the price, that's fine.
34:52
And I think why that annoys people come here for example,
34:56
from the West, to the Middle East places, like Iraq is
35:02
because they're not used to this, they used to seeing a
35:04
sound price. Okay, I've always known this is
35:06
worth one pound. Yeah, I'll pick a plan for it.
35:08
Why am I going to that shop is 3 pounds and the Shoppers five
35:11
pounds sold, negotiate. Yeah, that's a very good point.
35:14
Yeah. And language barrier, you know,
35:17
even the Rockies we negotiate chart when I'm there, I'm
35:21
negotiating the price. Yeah, let's say I want someone
35:23
tells me, you know, I want to smoke.
35:26
I want water or something, I'll get it for them.
35:28
But I know when I came and in summer, for example, I paid
35:32
three thousand dinar now in 2010, that start the
35:35
negotiations and I can get it for that 3000, you know, but
35:38
those who don't speak the language, it can really
35:39
negotiate. So, Like or they feel left out
35:42
or they feel like they've been Jihad on negotiate.
35:45
No, I don't feel like son. I've seen is from Pakistan or
35:50
Iran a few times and I see them negotiate and and even like
35:54
that. The nice thing is another thing
35:56
is that a rocky speak different languages as well just for today
35:59
to these it's a tourist. See ya bly's a tourist city of
36:04
course even larger like as mm. Yeah, definitely, they probably
36:07
come across people from all diversity the way.
36:10
World the world, the world, the world.
36:12
And it's only reason I've been seeing that.
36:14
I remember last time I went, I saw workers from Bangladesh,
36:17
smile. I know I was shocked.
36:19
I saw a lot of chicken and I saw a lot of Chinese Chinese.
36:27
I even saw Europeans were from Europe, best actual Europeans.
36:32
As a native, there were Swedish. Even walking with the Swedish
36:35
flag was like, Wow, crazy, literally, Hussein, touch the
36:39
wall. So do you guys I think I maybe
36:41
this is like a nice segue to towards wrapping up the podcast,
36:44
but do you think we should be like actively in the west?
36:48
Like we know, of course, I'll buy in and our culture and our
36:51
community. Here is highly recommended
36:53
everyone talks about it. Everyone we know goes every year
36:56
and so on, but you think now we can take it to the next level.
36:59
What I mean by that is not just going and taking groups of our
37:02
community but finding ways to take people from outside of the
37:07
community who are non shh or even non-muslim to take them
37:10
with us. Us for like a mind-blowing
37:12
experience the same, whether you will climb Mount Everest, you
37:14
can do a three-day, walk, 75 km or whatever it is, and at the
37:18
end of the day, you learn something, do you think like,
37:20
that's a, something we need to do?
37:23
We have someone that went with someone.
37:25
He said he's going with his friend, which is English.
37:28
That just wanted to experience it.
37:30
I've heard of us your OneNote. Yeah, I feel like it's nice.
37:34
You can take a friend to just experience and that's what these
37:36
YouTube videos that we're seeing now of these westerners in these
37:39
Travelers. Yeah.
37:40
That make blogs and video blogs of different places.
37:44
They have been going and you see like it's beautiful and they
37:48
learning a lot. You know the beauty of our by in
37:50
on the conversation the question you ask is that, you know,
37:53
should we take someone or you know, take them to karbala
37:56
that's the best time to take them out of wine because it
37:59
saves you 99%. Let's be honest or I want to say
38:03
hassles the blessing. To tell someone about the
38:05
Elevate, all the story of my mom saying this just to take them
38:08
there. It's but yeah it does.
38:09
That is enough. If I will open up their mind and
38:13
they want to know at least show them our stories and our actions
38:19
and let us do the rest, exactly speaks for itself and they're
38:23
going to have questions, they're gonna have a lot of questions.
38:25
So that's the beautiful thing that you rather show them and
38:28
then they'll start asking questions rather than you just
38:31
putting them on the spot whether you're in London and they really
38:33
don't know much in the trying to explain to them about her saying
38:36
and what he stood for and why people go and rather than their
38:40
there. And they're asking questions,
38:42
they trying to find out more, so it's beautiful.
38:44
I feel like it's, it's a trip of a lifetime for anyone that
38:46
hasn't been or any Muslim non-muslim.
38:49
If you haven't been on a holiday.
38:51
If you're feel like if you want a holiday or if you want to
38:53
treat it as a holiday to get away, you can't treat it as a
38:56
spirituality. Why not?
38:57
Yeah yeah. Why not?
38:59
Shut up. Shut up The Best of Both Worlds.
39:02
Yeah, I mean you get the treatment that the last At the
39:11
front, beautiful side, you get to see beautiful.
39:13
You get to see the history and it's a whole experience.
39:17
You see, people from different parts of the world morning in
39:19
different ways. Speaking different ways you're
39:20
fed different food and even like, we know when you go on
39:23
holiday, you always go sightseeing.
39:24
Are you look for like the monument in the city, what bad
39:27
place? I imagine, it's trying to not
39:29
judge. There's so much to see an edge
39:31
of just the nature of you've gone Nigeria.
39:33
If you've got him on the Imam Ali's Shrine, you've imagined
39:36
cool for him as you did, Sadler. You've got so many different
39:38
places they can visit and then you Got - I got the car Bella
39:42
back dad. There's even blood Babylon.
39:44
You can go and visit someone. That's like so much very
39:50
historical country, and Charles I was given the opportunity to
39:53
go whether it's during are buying or any other period,
39:57
Jalan, Jalan, Charlotte. I said Mohamed thank you very
40:00
much for joining us. How, how, how, how would you say
40:05
the next time you go in Charlotte facade?
40:07
Buying, how would you say this conversation has impacted you?
40:10
Well, as position, without a doubt because I haven't been in,
40:15
like I said, over five years. Yeah, six years.
40:18
So how did he give you withdrawal?
40:19
So it did. Yeah.
40:20
When were talking a lot, I'm just remembering.
40:22
And when I mentioned seeing the people, I just like, while my
40:26
eyes were open up, talk to you. I can see the people walking.
40:28
So it's something that I wish I could, you know, this is what
40:31
the draw role is painful. It's painful, I love.
40:33
Once you go again, I feel like you're going to have the near in
40:37
your heart to say, I'm going to go every year.
40:39
I feel like that's how I I have said, yeah.
40:41
I've always every asset in Charlotte this year and
40:43
Charlotte's, it doesn't come to it.
40:44
So, During the period of your about to book icon and got
40:48
commitments and there's things that come up so you're not able
40:50
to go, you know, what you've always got that near of wanting
40:53
to go every single year. That's true, Paula, that's very
40:56
true. It's impossible to go.
40:58
Come back and you can say I'm not I'm not coming back next
41:01
year. I've never seen anyone that has
41:03
gone once and be like, oh, I don't need to go next year.
41:05
It's you always every year are planning to go, whether it
41:08
happens or doesn't that's down to Allah as well.
41:10
Mmm. And lastly, as I think, for both
41:14
of you for anyone who's going this year, any advice you would
41:18
have for them on. For example, the three-day walk
41:22
for what they can do, what the things are to pray for anything,
41:25
which you guys would recommend, if I don't go for the first time
41:27
or even repeat, you mentioned three day walk.
41:30
That's if that's a relaxed walk. I've really an edge of the car.
41:34
Bella three days is, you're walking very calm and you're not
41:38
rush towards like, very your You're taking a lot of breaks
41:42
and it's not that far. But I've seen people, I've got
41:45
cousins relatives, that have worked in a day.
41:47
One day. I know people have walked in one
41:49
day they just don't stop. So it just depends on how your
41:54
body is how you can call but over three days I feel like it's
41:57
fine you shouldn't enter a problem but you there is a lot
42:01
of people have been through times where we start off, 20 of
42:05
us from najaf to karbala but we end up just for our then there's
42:09
only four of us. Most of them have either.
42:10
Injuries. Or they've taken breaks or
42:13
they've caught bosses, or, or taxis to tell, Bella.
42:17
When a disclaimer there is lots of pain and the souls.
42:23
And many blisters is being with every game.
42:25
So he's painting the souls. But there's Beauty in the sauce
42:29
and I said, I said, I should write poetry.
42:31
If you see, I feel like that's motivation that it is it
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motivates you to forget the pain?
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Yeah, I advise everyone don't sit down for too long.
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That's one thing. Once you sit down for You love,
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you don't want to get good advice.
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I was just gonna suggest that, you know, if someone is, if
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someone, you know experiences, any blisters for example, of
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anyone's experiencing any industry, you know, feet pain,
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every like I think 10, or 15 poles, you'll find the medical
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center. Yes, actual doctors.
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That will treat you for anything.
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It's all free free medication, free care, free healthcare.
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And I remember when we went the first time, as in when we went,
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I think what the show, Bob, that was a trip.
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I think included about. Chihuahua, something.
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And That Journey was so painful. I'm being very honest was so
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painful. Especially on the final day on
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the final night. I you know, we were like 40
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there is why I keep seeing 40 because by the time who I ended
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up with this about three people, well, because not everyone has
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the same Pace, not everyone has the same energy on one has the
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same, you know, walking capacity from the level.
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So everyone used to like take it easy best.
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She didn't let the pain discourage us, we should always
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like if I can mention I was rumbles.
43:48
Would like Nori notice all of our way, I love lesson and our
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selling of naughty. That's, you know, we've reached,
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we've entered credible out now. Yeah.
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Can I just say, I climb the mountain with notary once and we
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both got like two thirds of the way up.
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We're like screw it, we're going back down.
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So I think is different, obviously they experience.
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You have them when you're walking towards above the lumps
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saying, you know, you've Got some something there.
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You can't like you can't. Look at each other sometimes for
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that bit of a push. So when you're telling him that
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let's catch it. He's probably thinking about
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he's trying to motivate and tell you no less no, you know you
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need to like both balance it out.
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So I think we would look at each other to send us have a little
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break. There's one thing that you know
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it will always stay with me is that it was so painful why live
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anymore. So so painful that we were like
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walking left, right left because you can't Strike this impossible
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talk straight because we try to complete in two days.
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I think that's what we did wrong.
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Yes. You know I was not something.
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I say I regret but he told me no need to continue to walk at
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least. Let's get that glimpse of the
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doll as he will. Never that's something.
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We never forget that first Glimpse and I think the first
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things we saw was the Dome of apis from not bothered.
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By the way, the way we all forgot the pain.
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Yeah. As soon as we saw that though,
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mashallah, I felt like everyone. That goes well will mention this
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but seeing the die because they walked for three days that's
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were just talking about najaf to karbala the usual little
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girlfriend people walk from two weeks there were some even
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longer so but it's that first Glimpse that everyone gets that
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you just stand there and you just stand still and you just
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every worry everything that you've got on your mind just
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disappears and you're just thinking about the goal and the
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destination, which you've reached all fours, and put into
45:39
perspective, all roads lead to carbonara.
45:43
Muhammad. Thank you again.
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It's been a pleasure. Having you on.
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I think. I feel like we could talk as a
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like, the three of us four hours.
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We can we can talk about this topic for hours weekend, of
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course, but pray for us inshaallah.
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And these guys are not measure to be on hand.
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I've seen every episode of its own now.
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So watch this aswell one. Thank you.
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