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Heal the Mind · Pete Vs Anxiety!!!!!

• peter: but Pete: went to doing like pre-recordings. Well, Keith, we're at the part of the interview where I'm gonna ask you those two questions. All right, Amanda Landes: that I had been kind of like since head for a while about about writing the story because Mia Mason: you are not the only one that experiences thoughts, Pete "mental Health Champ": Well, Dr. Erica, before we start wrapping up, I'm going to ask you Pete "mental health champ": Welcome into another exciting episode of Pete for Exity before we get started today, guys. Let's give a shout out to my partners over at PsychPal, guys. Link will be in the bio for you to try a seven day trial. If you want to sign up, I have a one-month code for you for that first month, guys. Use Pete at checkout for 20% off. With that being said, my guest today is a clinical psychologist, author, master coach, internationally recognized trainer in neurologistics programming, or NPL. The one, the only Dr. Heidi Harrowman is here with us. Dr. Heidi, thank you so much for being here today. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Pete "mental health champ": So why don't you tell everybody a little more about yourself? I mean, you're you're internationally renowned, so you're all over the place, which is it's awesome though. When you get the when you get type of guests like yourself on here that are pretty much everywhere out there globe trotting, doing all the fun things. So, you know, tell some about tell people some things maybe they might not know about you. Dr. Heidi Heron: Whoo, well, I'm around the world. I love to I love to travel. I've got two cats. I am not here very often to see them. And every time I see them, they're like, hey, you're here. When are you leaving again? And so I think they they might have a little anxiety going on sometimes too. I absolutely Pete "mental health champ": Right, they're like, No, she's leaving us again. Dr. Heidi Heron: love what yeah. I love what I do. I love helping people, I love helping people help people, and modeling that we can live our best lives and mess it up. And come back from it. I think that's, you know, love because so many people try and get this life thing right and there's a little bit of perfectionism that sits in there sometimes. And look, we can try and do all the right things, but at the end of the day, we just have to be. And we learn from we learn from everything. So I love helping people and living, living, seeing the world, trying something new. Which not everybody likes to do. Like lots of people like to think they do, but not everybody likes to. So yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, very true. So let me ask you the same thing I ask a lot of people. Like what got you into psychology? Was it something you've always been passionate about, or is it just something that you may have stumbled across? Cause I know a lot of people they get into psychology and then it's interesting to see because some of them veer off into their other spaces, like some go Eastern medicine, others go other different routes, you know. But what what was that one thing that that turned you towards it? Dr. Heidi Heron: What really turned me towards it was that aspect I've always been curious, like why? Why do people do Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: what they do? Why do some people excel under pressure and some people cower under it? Why do some people seem to make brilliant decisions and other people take ages to do so? Why do we do what we do? And I was just so intrigued and curious about that aspect of it. But I didn't end up going into into psychology directly for a little while after my education, my beginning education. I ended up going into human resources of all places. Pete "mental health champ": okay. Dr. Heidi Heron: But that was a little bit about people, but a whole bunch about paperwork. And it didn't really light me up. And then I picked up a book about neurolinguistic programming and I was like, whoa, hold on a second. Hold your horses because this this NLP stuff is ultimately, and I'm sure we'll we'll get into a little bit about what it is in a in a bit, But it's ultimately a user manual for your mind. And that not only helped me to understand more about why people do what they do, but how to help people change that too. And that was really the the switch. That was the now I know how to help people. Because with my my undergrad degree in psych, I didn't really learn much of that. I could hold hold the space, ask questions, and maybe help people through what they were going through, but not actually really how to help them transform and Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: shift mindset and beliefs and behaviors. And so there was that aspect that ultimately had me falling in love with with the mind again. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, but you you also have to remember too, though, psychology was different when you were in school versus when a lot of these guys now were in school. Dr. Heidi Heron: True. Pete "mental health champ": They so the changes have been so different. So you're getting to learn a vast majority of new things that these guys are learning just now, you know. Plus you're adding Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": in your your your knowledge of just being there. You know, you've been there, you've done these things, you you know, you've experienced things, you traveled the world and and talked to different spaces and different people. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": You know, and and and it's awesome though, because now you can bring it back and and you can teach some of these other guys some things, you know, and show a lot of these Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": people, you know, some of this lived experience you've had, you know, just the things how you know, some of these newer things that you're learning, you know, a lot of Eastern medicine, like I was saying, is showing up now a lot more than it has ever before. You Dr. Heidi Heron: yeah. yeah. Pete "mental health champ": know, you have somatic and all them other things that are coming out of the woodworks. You have now you have hypnotherapists that are doing amazing things these days, you know. So now you have Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": a repertoire of a the other things that you could just keep adding to your toolkit and is keep Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Pete "mental health champ": adding it as you go, you know? Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, absolutely. There's there's just so much out there. And I don't necessarily think like somebody was saying, Well, what's the best modality? What's the best thing to do? And I don't know that there is an answer. I think that there's there's probably four or five things that will work for anybody and lots of stuff that just won't. And so it's a matter of figuring out and finding out for you, like as an individual that that might need some help, the right modality and the right person. Because not every Therapist or counselor is the same, Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: and not every modality is the same. And I know a lot of people Pete "mental health champ": I love that answer. Dr. Heidi Heron: pe find me, yeah, I do too. A lot of people find me and they go, Well, you know, I've done all kinds of things and I was about to give up. Don't give up because there's somebody that has somebody's mentality and somebody's toolbox. Not everything's the same. And look, I'm not everybody's cup of tea either. You know, I just find that Pete "mental health champ": Mm. Dr. Heidi Heron: hard to believe. But Everybody has their own journey and path and what what fits for them. So keep finding it. Keep looking for it. There's lots out there. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, you know, and and that's right. I I think I love that answer. Like I said, I love that answer. That's a great answer to that. I don't think any there's anything just set for anybody. it's whatever works best for you at the end of the day. And that's that's what I always tell people too when they ask questions about things. I'm like, it's if whatever works for you, like you won't know Dr. Heidi Heron: Yes. Pete "mental health champ": until you try these things, you know. So go try stuff. You know, what do you have to lose? It doesn't work? Okay. It didn't work for you. That doesn't Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": mean it's not it doesn't work. It just wasn't your for you, you know, and that's what it takes. Dr. Heidi Heron: But see, I think that's the thing. That's the thing is that so many people don't really understand that that who's sitting in front of you, who's helping you, makes a lot of difference. And the modality Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: they're using makes a lot of difference. And the unfortunate thing is people watch TV shows or movies and they go, okay, that's how it works. They go sit down in front of somebody and they don't say that didn't work. They say, I don't work. I'm broken. I can't be fixed. And no, that's not true at all. That's not true at all. It's who's sitting in front of you and what they're using and how they're doing it that makes the difference. Has nothing to do Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: 'cause I don't think people are broken. I think we've got layers Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: on us that need to come off and we need the right cleaner. Pete "mental health champ": Exactly. Yeah, I agree. I think it's the same thing for anybody. A lot of these people don't advocate enough for their mental health and they don't they Dr. Heidi Heron: You better. Pete "mental health champ": they feel like they have to stay somewhere 'cause they're gonna hurt your feelings. And it's like, no. Go find somebody that works for you. They know exactly how this game works, you know. It's it's not a Dr. Heidi Heron: my gosh, yes. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I've been working with them for six years. I can't let go. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. Absolutely. they can. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": They they can let go too, trust me. They understand how this game works. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. And and if that therapist or counselor gets their feelings hurt, that's their site, that's their own professional problem, not yours. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. No, I agree completely. So Dr. Hidi, I did want to ask you about some of your books. Like, you know, you have a lot. Dr. Heidi Heron: Please. Pete "mental health champ": So what are some of your books that you have? I mean, maybe give people a little rundown of some of the the different titles and maybe a little somet something about what they are, because I know you have a lot. Dr. Heidi Heron: I do I've got quite a few. the the Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: main three that I've got, I've got one of them here. the main three that I have, I probably have a few of them everywhere. one of them is is specifically about NLP and it's called 30 Days Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: to NLP. And NLP again is a it's a kind of a toolkit for the mind and it teaches how to understand your your how the language of your mind creates the programs that we run in life. And we've got programs about everything. And those programs are beliefs, behaviors, habits, thoughts. And we can learn how to harness those, how to shift a belief, change a behavior, move your thinking to be more in alignment with how you want to be. Not positive thinking, but in alignment to how you want to be. So 30 Days to NLP is a almost a textbook that walks us through over 30 days how to utilize NLP. And you can you don't have to read it in 30 days. I wrote it in 30 days, one day a chat one chapter a day, because that was really easy to do. another one of is also an NLP-based book, You Must Learn NLP. And that one is made up a whole bunch of blog posts about different ways that you can use NLP. And then this one, I have it here, The Wizard of Cause, this is my latest one. And I love this book. It's it started out as a self-help book. you know, general self help book. And as I was reading through it, I'm like, man, this is boring. This is a really boring book. Like, how do you say to somebody, live your best life in, you know, however many pages over and over and over again and give them different examples. And then one day I was thinking and I came across this other book that I love, like Who Moved My Cheese? And it's just, I was like, I love that story focus and that fable. I'm like, I need to write a story. And so I scrapped all the self-help book stuff and ended up writing a story about a a woman who's a little bit lost and how she comes back to remembering her wholeness. And it's about values, it's about consciousness, it's about wholeness, and it's about how to l let go of some of those masks and some of those layers that we hold on to and come back to who we truly are. Not recreate ourselves, find ourselves, because we're in there. We are in there and how to find out what's important to us. Yeah. So I that one's a I love that book. Thank you. Thank you. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. No, I agree a hundred percent with that. I really do. Yeah, you know, I I love the title of the book. I love that title. It's great. I like how you put it in the aspect of a story because a lot of people, you know, like to read stories and a lot of them can relate that way. And it doesn't feel like you're reading a self-help book, but it's really what it is, in sense, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, exactly. Pete "mental health champ": you know what I mean? You're just changing the perspective, you know. I had a guest earlier on another show I do. She she did hers in the format of like having them ask questions that only they can answer. Like she's like, I could give Dr. Heidi Heron: Nice. Pete "mental health champ": you my answers, but that wouldn't make a difference because my answers and your answers are different. So, you Dr. Heidi Heron: Different. Pete "mental health champ": know, she's like, So I turned it on him and said, You know what? You're gonna have to answer these questions for yourself. Like I'm gonna ask you now you Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": need to answer in your own way, 'cause your way, your answer is different Dr. Heidi Heron: Beautiful. Pete "mental health champ": than say, you know, this person's you know what I mean? And it's you know, if it was really interesting Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Yep. Pete "mental health champ": perspective. So I I love a good story though. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, I do too. And it's to me it's easy to read, you know, a few hours and you're you're done. But there's so much contemplation in there. And there is to that to that point at the back of the book are some like worksheet kind of things that you can go Pete "mental health champ": okay. There you go. Dr. Heidi Heron: through your own life and figure out your answers. Cause she's absolutely right. Nobody else has your answers other than you. Even though we want you to, tell me what to do in my life. Nobody can. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, no, I agree. I think that's funny when people say that they're like, Well, tell me or like they asked you that question and you're like, yeah, there's really no answer to that. I'm like, you know, I Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm. Pete "mental health champ": could tell you some ones that work generally for people, Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm. Pete "mental health champ": but the answer really is it's it's you, whatever works best for you at the end of the day. We won't know that until you try that. You know, that kind Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": of thing. Everybody's looking for the answers, you know, especially with the internet these days. It's a scary place out there. Dr. Heidi Heron: They are, they are. Dr. Google is and and Chat GPT is even worse now because, you know, for go Doctor Google. Hello chat and Claude and you know, it's it's a little scary from a mental health perspective, the the AI aspects, because AI will never tell you it's a bad idea. That's that's the scary thing, is it'll f it'll shift everything and Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, because we had that situation with Chat GPT. Well, you know, it's funny because my partner that's the part of the show is is an AI app, but he programmed it differently. Jules programmed it to that it would recognize something like that. So like if you start getting to the point where there's something dangerous, it's like, hold up, hold up. We need to call Dr. Heidi Heron: Good. Yeah. Good. Pete "mental health champ": nine eighty eight or you need to call somebody now. Call in your emergency contacts. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": It'll stop you and abruptly tell you you need to go. So he Dr. Heidi Heron: Good, good. Pete "mental health champ": he made sure to put that extra effort into making sure. that it wouldn't be able to tell anything under that stuff, none of that things. He Dr. Heidi Heron: Good. Pete "mental health champ": he went through a lot of a lot of things, a lot of stuff. And he's always open to new suggestions. So I send it out to people to try Dr. Heidi Heron: That's awesome. Pete "mental health champ": and say, hey, listen, you know, give me your thoughts and what do you think is he's always looking for feedback on how he can better do it. And it's like a tool Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": that it assists therapy. So like if someone say someone's meeting with Dr. Heidi Heron: Nice. Pete "mental health champ": you and then they leave and then you want to keep track of what they're doing. It's like it's like a little pal basically that they can talk to. Dr. Heidi Heron: nice. Pete "mental health champ": And it learns them and then it'll keep notes of their mood for you. But then it'll send you their their sh their doctor. You can send it, you can set it up to send you notes about what they're talking to this about. So that way they don't have to try and remember. So, like if they're having a rough week, Dr. Heidi Heron: wow. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": they don't remember what they were saying. The app will keep track of it for you. And then it'll you can set it up to email you and send you different things, Dr. Heidi Heron: how cool is that? Pete "mental health champ": and it'll tell you and keep track of their moods and and all these sort of things. So I'll have to send you. Link for it and you can check it out and see what you think. You know, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, send me the link. That's awesome. Pete "mental health champ": he'd love some feedback on what you would think. If there's anything you think he can add, it things that he's Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Pete "mental health champ": constantly looking for any kind of feedback of that sort. But you know, I I think AI has its place, but at the same time, like you're right, what the chat GPT situation was with that kid who's talking about killing himself and it was telling him how to commit suicide. I'm just like, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": I'm like, come on, man. Like you would have thought they would have thought that one through. So, like, hey, let's let's look at every Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. yeah. Pete "mental health champ": avenue possible. You know, let's not let this thing become something it shouldn't be. You know, yeah, everybody Dr. Heidi Heron: Yes. Pete "mental health champ": wants it to solve all their problems. Or they go, you know, like the whole Web D thing where they were going and and starting to diagnosing themselves, God, those people. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Look, I think there's a place for all of it. And I would love to see that app for sure. And, Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: you know, heck, from time to time I ask it questions. You know, why not? You know, get a different perspective, get did get a different point of view. I had a conversation with some colleagues a while back, a few probably month or two back, and the question was, Will AI take us out of work? No. Because but what it will do. Is it'll give an outlet to people who aren't yet ready or willing or wanting to talk to a human. And if they get a talk to something, and something that's not going to say, hey, here's how to do it, but somebody that even somebody a computer that is reframing something or giving them some questions or helping them to think of something different, I think that's wonderful. That's something Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: that they didn't have before. And if that person wasn't ever going to talk to a therapist, Sure, talk to a computer. But I don't think it's going to take away that human interaction with people who want the human interaction. There's my two cents on that, but Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah, no, I agree. I think I think there's not the human element there, that's the only thing too, you know. It's not a person, it's Dr. Heidi Heron: Exactly. Pete "mental health champ": an it's an and it's an entity, you know, so you don't have the same Yeah. You're you're right, you're right, like you're right. Like the Dr. Heidi Heron: As long as we remember that as long as we remember that. My friend Claude Pete "mental health champ": most of these things nowadays have to come with instructions you wouldn't think had to have instructions, like, hey, don't drink this, Dr. Heidi Heron: Correct. Pete "mental health champ": but he caused clear as day, you know, like the Tide Pod thing, we had to t lock all the Tide Pods up 'cause these kids were you know what I mean? Like these weird trends they Dr. Heidi Heron: my gosh, yes. Yes. Pete "mental health champ": go through. And it's like the the the sheep like actions these guys do is just completely funny because to me it's like we didn't do this extreme though, okay? Let's be honest. Ours wasn't Dr. Heidi Heron: look, we did it too. We did it too. You know, every probably not. No, no, probably not. But it's just I I'm the internet is fantastic at the moment. You know, like there was well a couple weeks ago you couldn't get cottage cheese or something like that at the grocery store because of some TikTok something something going on. And, you know, we find the the cool stuff, want to try the cool stuff, but at the same time, you know, we do want somebody to tell us what to do. And I think we've all been there. And when somebody's like it I can even say to my clients when they're like, just tell me what to do and like I can't. They'd only tell you what I do. I can give you some ideas, but we have to find your stuff. And they're like, come on, I just need because sometimes we get to that spot where it's just like, Come on, hold my hand, take me there. I will go. Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: Just help me get somewhere. And, Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: you know. Pete "mental health champ": You're right though. I mean, you're you're not wrong. Think about it. Like TikTok says one thing and the world goes crazy. I think people sleep on TikTok from the angle of like there's so many different people on there, mental health mental health-wise, that are on there for doing good. And it gets foreshadowed because people are like, it's TikTok. I'm like, Yeah, see, but TikTok's what you make it to be. Like if you go on there Dr. Heidi Heron: Yes, exactly. Pete "mental health champ": and work certain videos and the algorithm work it to your advantage, you'll get a lot more people that are Dr. Heidi Heron: yeah. Pete "mental health champ": in the same space you are. Which is great because I found a lot of people. A couple of my mentors that that podcast now, one of them for sure, she's got two shows as well now. But I met her through TikTok as well. She'd reached out to me through another friend who knew who I was and was like, Yeah, hey, listen, I heard all about you. People are telling me about your show and what you do. She's like, I want to get into podcasting too. I'm like, I the same thing. I can teach you how what I know, but you're on your own after that. Cause my my girlfriend was like that too. Dr. Heidi Heron: Exactly. Pete "mental health champ": She was like, She's like, Well, don't teach them all the tips. I'm like I'm like, I don't think you understand how this works. Like, you you podcasting is so different. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Can't give all the tips. Pete "mental health champ": Like, the way I put it to one girl that was interested, I said, listen, at the end of the day, remember, don't worry about everybody else in the space. Worry about yourself because you are the only voice that matters in your show. Your voice is different Dr. Heidi Heron: Exactly. Pete "mental health champ": than everybody else. The way you do things is different than everybody else. Can you be similar to people? Yeah, yeah, of course. That's that's what a lot of people do. A lot of the stuff, you know. People look do similar things. You know, the best form of flattery is imitation, you know, like doing something Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Pete "mental health champ": similar to it. Okay, cool. But you're still the a different person than everybody else. That's what you need to remember at the end of the day. And my other friend, he had a show and he was telling her all these things and I'm like, Can you just stop, dude? I love you, Depp Bro, but you're scaring this girl for no reason. Let her take a shot at it. If she wants to try, she wants to try. You know what I mean? Like just just go for it, because I didn't. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Have a go. Exactly. But I think it's but it's not just podcasting. It's everything. When people Pete "mental health champ": Mm. Dr. Heidi Heron: and and the internet, since we're on that, we're gonna combine these topics. That Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: you know, that whole aspect of keeping up with the Joneses, that, you know, they're doing it, I have to do it. And there's this that external validation. And years ago before internet, we still did, you know, I have to wear the right clothes and their pr that person's doing that and I have Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: to do that. But it is a just it's exacerbated at the moment because somebody else makes the rules. And then I'm like, I should follow those rules. I should do that. I should eat that. I should wear that. I should look like this. And just so Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: much external validation where, you know, there's what, eight point something billion people in the world. There is not one way to do something. And there's not just one way to be cool. And I wish we could make cool just being you. Hey, you're really authentic. That's cool. I think that would be the best thing. You're different. That's cool. Pete "mental health champ": That's that's the way I put it to people though. Like when it comes to anything you do, I'm like just be yourself because at the end of the day, you know, that's what attracts people. That's why this show is so real and raw. I don't really edit so much. I like I'll edit when I have to, but other than that, it's pretty much I put it out full throttle what it is because it's just the realness of it. It's like I don't have anything to hide in order to my guests have anything to hide. You know, I just want to keep it as authentic Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Agreed. Pete "mental health champ": as possible because in this space you need to be. Because if not, people read through it really fast. You know, that's the that's one advice I got Dr. Heidi Heron: absolutely. Pete "mental health champ": from somebody else, you know. And and that's what I was just telling her. I was like, you know, you gotta be, you know, just be you. At the end of the day, you can't worry about what everybody else is doing. Just do what you're gonna do and go for it, man. Have fun with it. Why not? You'll get into Dr. Heidi Heron: Go for it. You bet. Pete "mental health champ": some interesting conversations. You'll meet some interesting people along the way. 250 Dr. Heidi Heron: Absolutely. Pete "mental health champ": plus episodes of this show so far, and I've met some very interesting people. So thank you Dr. Heidi Heron: Congratulations, I'll bet you have. Pete "mental health champ": so much. Yeah, you know, it's just this has been a labor of love. People don't realize how much work goes into doing this. Dr. Heidi Heron: it's a lot of work. Pete "mental health champ": You know, and things like that too. But I I don't mind it. Like it's not that bad of right? Yeah. Yeah. That's a Dr. Heidi Heron: That's why I'm a guest, not a host. Pete "mental health champ": lot of people say too. They're like, well, I like doing other shows too. Like I love going to guess other shows, even the smaller ones. Like, I'm like, just ask. You know, I had Paul Bauer come on and he was like, you know what? He's like, he waited three months to come on the show. Cause he was like, you know, he's like, I didn't want to cancel my subscription to where, you know, to the site or whatever. He's I don't want to cancel it because I'm waiting for you. For him to say that, for a guy I met, Dr. Heidi Heron: Wow. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": And he realized that I met him through TikTok. He was like, wait, you're the guy through TikTok that messaged for him. It's like, yeah, Paul, I messaged you. And your exact words to me were be consistent if you're gonna do podcasting. And I said, okay. So I that's the same thing I modeled my whole system around. It's just to be consistent, consistently dropping Dr. Heidi Heron: Great. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": things, you know, and and stuff like that. But he was so cool though, because he was like, he he's so successful in his men's coaching and what he's doing now and the way he's doing things. But hit for him to say I waited three months to talk to you says a lot about what I'm doing, you know. I've had John DeCakis Dr. Heidi Heron: Absolutely. Pete "mental health champ": come on here as well and tell me he enjoys the way I interview. And this guy's got 22 years of journalism. I've had done this, I've been doing this for about a year, year and a few months by that point. And he was Dr. Heidi Heron: Wow. Pete "mental health champ": like, Yeah, man, he's I gotta say, I enjoyed the interview, enjoyed how you interview. And I'm just like, okay, John, listen, I'm gonna go pass on the floor for a minute, man. I'll be right back. Because it's like, you know, it's so cool and so surreal that you hear it because I dealt with imposter syndrome for a while, because it was like you didn't realize how successful it is. Until these and when you start getting these emails, you start getting invites to come do these media panels and things, and I'm just like, they're talking to me, you know. And then some of these people I've had Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, yeah. Pete "mental health champ": on the show this with some big followings had said yes, and I'm just like, Holy crap, you know, but they're so but it's so cool though, because we get in the studio, they're so just normal people at the end of the day, and they're really cool about it, you know. With that being said though, you're you're internationally renowned. You're all over the place, man. You've been all over the world and things like that too. That's that's so Dr. Heidi Heron: I am all over the place. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": cool. So what what kind of speeches do you give when you go around Dr. Heidi Heron: And this is Frankie, by the way. Pete "mental health champ": What's going on, Frankie? Dr. Heidi Heron: Frankie has to always make an appearance at times. I I talk a lot about mindset. I talk a lot Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: about parenting, leadership, communication, how to get unstuck, how to manage anxiety, how to make anxiety your friend. I talk about just the frames of of how we think and how how we can think better. And at times I go out and I'm like two weeks ago, three weeks ago, I was in Indonesia and Jakarta training an NLP certification course. So sometimes it's the NLP certification courses, Pete "mental health champ": That's really cool. Dr. Heidi Heron: sometimes it's a you know one hour or two hour or five-day or two-day or one-day kind of workshop. I would say the furthest I've gone for a day is for an hour actually. I flew to Singapore to do a one-hour keynote and got there one evening, did the keynote. left that afternoon. That was crazy. That was crazy. But I've traveled, Pete "mental health champ": I bet. Dr. Heidi Heron: I think I've trained in twenty-one countries now. And something that I have learned is that regardless of where we're at, people want the same thing. We Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: want to be happy, we want to know that we're doing a good job and we want to have fulfillment. That's it. Around the world, doesn't matter what your religion is, what color of skin is who you what who your God is, it makes no difference. People are people. And we all have the same kinds of patterns and same things that get us stuck. And we all want the same thing at the end of the day. Just be happy. Live our best lives. Hi. Pete "mental health champ": So speaking of getting stuck, what would you say the most common thing people get stuck on? Dr. Heidi Heron: lately, I think because we now have a name on it, is that imposter syndrome you were talking about before. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: anxiety is a big one. But I think I mean imposter syndrome is is an anxiety pattern. perfectionism anxiety pattern. I would say anxiety. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that scary though? Like something like anxiety Dr. Heidi Heron: 'Cause there's yeah. Pete "mental health champ": is that's the biggest thing that people are getting stuck on these days. You know, and I Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": think the internet has a lot to do with the perfectionism part of it though, because think Dr. Heidi Heron: yeah. Pete "mental health champ": about it. You see all these girls and you know, girls see these girls, these guys see these guys acting this way, well, I'm gonna be cool if I act like this too. And it's Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": like, Yeah, I don't because you know, and that's Dr. Heidi Heron: Correct. Correct. Pete "mental health champ": the constant battle you're running into, you know, in you know And me and a couple other podcasters we got together, we were looking at statistics and said statistically, 54% of parents reported that it is negative for kids to be on social media, but we still let them be there. I'm like, okay, so if it's 54%, why not stop them from being on there? You know what I'm saying? Like, we've we are telling Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": us statistically it's bad for them to be there, but hey, listen, I'm gonna let my kid be on there anyways. Like, you know what I mean? Like, what kind of that makes a sense? Exactly. That is a good question, though. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. But I mean even but how do we stop it? How do we stop it? Because kids will figure it out anyway. You know, I I currently live in Australia, that's where I am right now. And about Pete "mental health champ": okay, awesome. Dr. Heidi Heron: six months ago, five months ago, they made a law that if you're under it's either thirteen or sixteen, I wanna say it's thirteen, that it's you're it's illegal to be on social media. I don't know any kid that's gotten off of social media. You know, and there's the the f there's a fine that if if somebody does the policing, the fine goes to the parents. So it's up to the parents to regulate and keep that. But I don't know anybody that's stopped. Like my young clients are still all on social media. So it's a good initiative. But I just don't know how you actually follow it through. That one I don't I don't know. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, see, that was the same question my girlfriend asked me too, because she said Canada's doing the same thing as well. They're they're sending an initiative kind of like they're gonna just so you can't be on social media. She said, Well, how are you gonna police that? I'm like, I'm like, there's probably ways to disable people, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. 'Cause they do it based based on birth date. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": but they can lie about their birthdays, so that's the thing. Unless you're physically Dr. Heidi Heron: It's it's that, right? Pete "mental health champ": asking them to identify themselves with a driver's license. Now that's the next step you'd have to go to. Which I Dr. Heidi Heron: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": mean, I get if it goes to that. Makes sense because you know if you're gonna limit to them sixteen is technically most places you can have to have a driver's license or an identification card or something to get on the internet. But I mean it would make sense Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Or something. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": or just limit it them to strictly to what they needed for. If they're on there for school projects to look research something, just re or they go the old school system we did, go to the library and start researching things. If it wasn't hard then, you know, I remember those days. God. Dr. Heidi Heron: Exactly. Yeah, keep it to that. What? What? Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, I remember when the i when the internet Dr. Heidi Heron: man, I do too. Pete "mental health champ": got introduced, AOL was the first thing we had, and then you had those populated chat rooms, and that was a scary place to think about 'cause Dr. Heidi Heron: It was Pete "mental health champ": you anybody any age could get into the same room together and you don't know what they're saying to them. Now it's even harder Dr. Heidi Heron: Yep. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": because you have Snapchat, Facebook, TikTok, Instagram, all of them all of them things. Just the list goes on and it's just Dr. Heidi Heron: absolutely. Yeah, exactly. Pete "mental health champ": they keep adding new things all the time. And you know, they're it's just like Jesus, can we stop? Yeah, you know, there's some I've never even heard of either. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: it's crazy, isn't it? And it's it's a whole it's keeping up with all that. absolutely me too. Me too. Somebody was talking about something the other day. I'm like, I'm sorry, whoop. I'm sorry, what like I remember I C Q. Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Somebody told me about chatter or something like chatter. I'm like, what is that? Like I got it. I went in for an interview and somebody's and they're like, well, I'm gonna have my chatter audience here. And the thing I'm like, What the fuck is chatter? Looking at them, like, what is chatter? I've never heard of chatter. What is that? Like, you know, like some things I've never even heard of. You know what I'm saying? Like all these new things. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: What is that? Never heard of that. Yet another one. But there's so much and that adds to the anxiety too, especially for somebody like, I need to keep up on all this. And it just adds to it. But you know, when I Yeah, huge, Pete "mental health champ": Mm. Yeah, that foam wall, the fear of missing out, is really hard for people. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: huge. And I think that's what brings the anxiety up. And at the end of the day, when I'm talking to people about anxiety, then I'm I'm often asking, what is its purpose, how is it helping you? How is it serving you? Because anxiety is not the enemy. Anxiety is actually something inside that goes, hey, something's wrong here. And I need to be aware, be vigilant. And sometimes Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: it's like super hyper vigilant, but it's just something's triggered your unconscious mind to go, you're not safe. And oftentimes I'm Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. I've had that happen. Dr. Heidi Heron: working with people figuring out where does a lack of safety come from? In their life. And it's usually something that happened in this imprint period between birth and seven. And we ha I help them at that point to shift and clear that pattern of lack of safety. Because if we're safe to be ourselves, to show up, to make a mistake, to get it wrong, we're safe to be ourselves. And then it doesn't matter. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah. That's true though. Mine c triggers like that sometimes. I'll be dead asleep and then I'll wake up and all of a sudden it's like I'm on high alert, like something's not right. Some I'm I'm on standby looking listening for anything or Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Pete "mental health champ": looking for something. And I'm wondering what it is that triggers it. 'Cause it it really had to happen lately, but it happened over the the last few months. It was like all of a sudden it was dead asleep and all of a sudden I woke up, my heart's racing, and I'm just like Something's not right. I can't sleep. I said something something's not right in the universe that's telling me I need to be alert of something. You know, and I don't remember what happened that day. I got a weird phone call and that's what it was. Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: And and most likely it was a some sort of dream or something that you had, or maybe a phone call, or it's just the littlest things that can trigger us off and and really Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: figuring out th what is the pattern behind it. Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: How is it trying to keep you safe? What's the pattern behind it? And how does that come about? I think that's one of the most important things that we can do from a mental health perspective is figure that side of it out so that we don't have to Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: live and cope with it. That's what I love about this NLP stuff and a few other modalities that do it, but it's not how to live with it, how to cope with it, how to manage it. It's how Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: to transform it, how to move it on, how to get back to you. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, no, I think that's great though, 'cause I always tell people that, like, when they tell you they have a mental sorcery, they a lot of them will Well, I I have no, no, it's you deal with these things. Understand, it's it's it's you're dealing with it, it's how you deal with it. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's Dr. Heidi Heron: you deal with you you you do anxiety, you do depression. You're you're n you don't have it. It's not you. 'Cause it becomes an identity, this badge of something. Either a badge of honor Pete "mental health champ": Yes, exactly. Exactly. Dr. Heidi Heron: or a badge of repulsion or whatever the right word is. But yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Right, yeah. No, you're right. That's exactly what's leading to the exact same thing. It's like, you know, people use as an identity and I hate that 'cause someone asked me that during an interview and they're like, you know, that exact question came up and I was like, I hate it when people identify by their their mental health disorder because it's not Yeah, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Yeah. I am anxious. Yes. Pete "mental health champ": you know what I'm saying? Like it's like it's not you, man. It's just something you deal with and how you deal with it is what tools you have in your kit to handle it, you know? And and it's you can do tons of things. Breath works really helps you really great and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. And some people don't have very many tools. Yeah. I think we have more tools in our tool box than we do in our life toolbox. Like I've got five Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: different wrenches. I don't know what to do with those, but I've got lots of different N NLP and psychotherapy tools that can help people much more effectively than I can with my real toolbox. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's the way it is for me too. When I start the show, I I didn't know much and as I went on I start learning new things and trying new things and you know, all these different great things. I get books sent to me all the time by different authors that write books Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": and I read a lot of I read a lot of books more than I have ever. But it's always 'cause I'm curious to know more. Like I'm always a curious individual Dr. Heidi Heron: Isn't that great? Pete "mental health champ": about it's great though. Like I said, I've I I usually point to the bin that sits behind me, but it I'm getting ready to move next week. So but I I usually ha I have a whole stack of them I'm reading through. I've been reading through Eric Dr. Erica Horowitz's book about her brothers dealing with addiction and bipolar, what it was like through his eyes, you know, then she sprinkles Dr. Heidi Heron: Wow. Pete "mental health champ": in her own little bit. It was really interesting because you're getting a perspective like you've never seen what it was like for somebody that's dealing with these things. And he's battling addiction Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm-hmm. Pete "mental health champ": as well, you know, because we know that a lot of addictions start with that people are medicating to try and deal with something Dr. Heidi Heron: But Pete "mental health champ": that they're doing mental health wise. A lot of times. You know, so it was interesting to get the the perspective and it's very fresh to see. So and it was it's great. And I I even read a book about breast cancer, you know, because there was a guest I invited on. She had a memoir about her breast cancer struggles. Dr. Heidi Heron: Wow. Pete "mental health champ": you know, and it was an interesting book. Don't get me wrong, I loved it. I read it, covered it back. I told people I was reading, and they're What are you reading? I'm reading a book about breast cancer, and they're like, Why? Why not? Why do why is what do you care what I'm doing? Go work go worry about just go Dr. Heidi Heron: Why not? Why not? Right. Pete "mental health champ": play over there and leave me alone. I'm reading this book. Dr. Heidi Heron: But you know what? The a misnomer is only women get breast cancer. One of my very good friends is a guy, as far as I know, and he has breast cancer. Men get it too. It's just tissue. Yeah. But good. I yeah. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Yeah, it was a ref it was an interesting perspective to see what people their thought process is for it. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. And I I love that. There's so much out there. But I think we we, you know, put our blinders on and go, This is my world. But people don't have to pay a whole lot to get Help. There's books out there, Pete "mental health champ": Mm mm. Dr. Heidi Heron: there's libraries out there. There's so much that we can learn and understand. And I love that word curious. If there was one state that I could encourage more people to step into is curiosity. And curiosity of how can this be different? How can this be Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: better? I go find it. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah, I agree. Yeah, you know, just be curious about anything, man. You never know what you'll discover these days with the with the revelations that they're making. Like we were talking about, you Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Pete "mental health champ": know, Eastern medicines and things like that that just come up with new things you could try. You know, like I tell Dr. Heidi Heron: yeah. Pete "mental health champ": people, therapy is not for everybody, but you know, you'll find something that works for you. They'll try different things. Hey, have you tried this? Have you tried that? There's people doing things with, you know, psychedelics that are having really good success, you know, that are actually Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm-hmm. Pete "mental health champ": people that take time to do the research for these things. Dr. Heidi Heron: You bet. Yeah. That's my Pete "mental health champ": You know, and and they'll tell you Dr. Heidi Heron: next research point is is psychedelics. Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: I'm starting a a course that I'm taking in July for six months or something like that to learn Pete "mental health champ": Yeah. Dr. Heidi Heron: more about that because I think it's fascinating. You know, a lot of what I do is try and bypass that conscious thinking mind in my work Pete "mental health champ": Mm-hmm. Dr. Heidi Heron: and get more into that unconscious patterns. And with psychedelics, being able to help somebody get into that, I mean, it takes a while for it to get in there. But yeah, I'd love to. Pete "mental health champ": We'll see. Look, you'll have to come back and we can talk about that too. I have a perfect person we'll have to invite to that conversation if you come back after that to Dr. Heidi Heron: Great. Pete "mental health champ": talk about this. I have a girl that came on named S Savannah that came on. She has a whole society about this. Like she spent all this time, did all the research and everything else. Very Dr. Heidi Heron: Wow. Pete "mental health champ": informative woman. I'd love for you to meet though. So if you end up Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, please. Pete "mental health champ": whenever you figure we figure the next time you're gonna be here, I'll have to reach out to see what she's up to. Maybe we can get her to come. Dr. Heidi Heron: Okay. Pete "mental health champ": And have a conversation with us about psychedelics and things and see where she's up to these days. Like I said, she's got a whole society of Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Beautiful. That sounds great. Pete "mental health champ": things. I I met her while doing the show. She was an ex military, I think she was a Marine or something like that. But she had she found psychedelics for herself that helped her out with her con what she was dealing with now. She has a whole society where she Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, probably PTSD, yeah. Pete "mental health champ": yeah, all those I think it was PTSC she was dealing with. I don't remember now what we're a conversation, but she w me and her met during season one. I've met so many people. It's It's crazy, man. Like like I said, certain nuggets of conversations Dr. Heidi Heron: No, that would be amazing. That'd be awesome. Pete "mental health champ": will refresh me who it it is that we're needing to bring. But yeah, definitely. Listen, when you get done with that, let me know. we'll Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, I will. Pete "mental health champ": set up a we'll set up it and we'll have her come hang out with and we'll see, you know, we'll share some Dr. Heidi Heron: Great. Pete "mental health champ": knowledge and see what she's up to, see what you learn. And maybe, maybe you guys can link up and and she can help you answer any other Dr. Heidi Heron: be great. Pete "mental health champ": questions you may have and things like that. But Dr. Heidi, we were at the part of this interview where I asked my guests two questions. Okay. So the first one's kind of a fun one. Dr. Heidi Heron: All right. Okay. Pete "mental health champ": And see what you think of this one, okay? So my question to you is if your mental health had a song, what would you say that song would be? This is such a fun one because the last person to answer Dr. Heidi Heron: man. Pete "mental health champ": this question, his answer was, Grandma got ran over by a reindeer. I Dr. Heidi Heron: Ha ha ha. Pete "mental health champ": can't, dude. It was the greatest thing I ever heard in my life. I was like, what the hell, dude? That is so awesome. And I was like, Dr. Heidi Heron: That's a I'm gonna go with that answer. No. The the first when you asked the question, the first thing that it came into my mind was Michael Jackson's Beat It. That was the very first song that came in my head, so I'm sticking that one. Pete "mental health champ": see. See, Beat It came up again or so this is the second time Michael Jackson has come up and Beat It was the song exactly Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": the same. But it's great though. It's an interesting question just to gauge where people are. Like, you know, when people ask me, I ha people are like, what was my choice? Dr. Heidi Heron: I love it. Yeah. Grandma got run over by a reindeer. Pete "mental health champ": Mine mine had two different songs to it, but I was explaining my anxiety side and my depression side, like, you know, and like they both matched up to the feeling. You know, the title, one of them is Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm. Pete "mental health champ": a little off-putting to people. It was artificial suicide by another band, but it's the It's the constant strumming is what I tell explain. I'm like, listen, don't forget the song name, but think of like the that constant cause that's what it's like when my anxiety's full gear, you know, and then my other ones were just Dr. Heidi Heron: Mm-hmm. Mm. Yep. yeah. Pete "mental health champ": like, you know, some really slow ones cause that's what depression's like. It's like you just don't want to do anything. You just wanna be left alone. You're swallowing in this darkness and things like that too. But, Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah. Pete "mental health champ": you know, it's it's always a fun one to ask me because it's always fun to see their Dr. Heidi Heron: That's a good one. Pete "mental health champ": looks on their face when people say it though. Dr. Heidi Heron: Yeah, I like that one. That's a good question. Pete "mental health champ": Okay, so Dr. Heidi, we're now to the final question of this interview, okay? Dr. Heidi Heron: Okay. Pete "mental health champ": And the reason I started this podcast, that if you could break the stigma about mental health, it it doesn't have to be one thing, it could be many things. What would you say that one thing you want people to stop believing? Dr. Heidi Heron: I want people to stop believing that they're broken and that they need fixed, that the stigma is a bad stigma. My car runs out of gas. I have to go fill it up. My car also needs its oil changed. From time to time, it might need a spark plug changed. It needs its wiper fluid filled up. We service our cars, we need to service our mind. And our mind works a heck of a lot more than our cars do. But think about our minds. I don't go, my car's broken, it's out of gas. it's never gonna work anymore. No, I go and fill it up with gas. Invest in it. Invest time, money if you have it. There's lots of free resources out there. But I wish that people could get rid of that stigma that I'm broken or that something is wrong with me. And when something's not working right, go fill up your gas. Pete "mental health champ": Exactly. I love it. Well, Dr. Heidi, thank you so much for coming and hanging out with me today. I really appreciate it. Like I said, Dr. Heidi Heron: Thanks for having me. Pete "mental health champ": I look forward to coming to see you again after you get done with that course. I like I said, it'll be a really great time. Before we start signing this thing off, do you want to let everybody know where they can find you? Any me social medias, websites, where do you want everybody to go find you at? Dr. Heidi Heron: Absolutely. Come and hang out with me on my website, which is just doctor it's doctor Heidi Harron dot com. my YouTube channel, just Google NLP Doctor Heidi Heron. And I'm on all the social media channels as well, just Dr. Heidi Heron. It's easy. Pete "mental health champ": Awesome. And guys, I will put the links to all of Dr. Heidi's stuff inside the description of this episode. Once again, Dr. Heidi, thank you so much for coming to hang out with us today. Like I said, we will definitely see her again as you guys heard us talking about. She'll be back, and I mean hopefully we'll have Savannah back again too. And she can come join us for this interesting Dr. Heidi Heron: That'd be great. Pete "mental health champ": conversation of things. guys. And with that being said, guys, we're gonna wrap up this episode of Pete for Sanxiety. Guys, I'm Pete for Sanxiety. You can find me on X. All the way down to TikTok. I'm on Spotify all the way down the Pandora Radio. And as always say, it costs nothing, absolutely nothing to be kind to somebody. One kind act you could do could save some life or hell he can make their day. I'm Pete for Sanxiety sign off saying, don't ask how your day is today. Say, hey, how's your mental health?