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Ghost hunting with your phone? The ONLY way to use paranormal apps effectively · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Ghost hunting on your phone? What? Hell no. Well,
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  maybe you can. Stay tuned. Welcome to our podcast
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  where we take deep dives looking at various topics
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  through a paranormal lens. Okay, so we've all
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  seen, used, seen other people use ghost hunting
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  apps on your phone. People come. We've led public
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  ghost hunts. A lot of people use them as well.
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  On YouTube. A lot of people starting out. They're
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  easy to access. Most of the time they're free.
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  And it's seeming to be. uh depending on the one
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  you download a lot of them are like the word
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  generation uh where they have a database of words
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  that they spit words out so it appears like you're
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  in constant communication with spirits so why
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  would these apps not be popular they're popular
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  but are they legit should you as a credible investigator
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  use And rely on paranormal apps. During investigations.
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  I think we're going to touch on all these questions.
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  And a whole lot more. In this episode. My ghost
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  tube app just said. Holy water. Over here. Oh
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  yeah. We didn't even say. All of us have a different
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  ghost hunting app. Running while recording this
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  episode. And they're all the ones that spit out
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  words. Just to be clear. Yeah. I have GhostTube,
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  which is one of the most more popular, more well
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  -known ones. I've actually used it. I pull it
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  out once or twice during our investigations just
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  for funsies. But it is essentially, it is a couple
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  different things. It can track, like, electromagnetivity,
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  supposedly. And it's a ghost dictionary. Not
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  just said prayer. Cool. So... Brie. Holy water.
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  Prayer. Wow. Now, in the last episode, you confessed
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  to us that you don't... It just said, by no means
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  satisfying. You said... These are hilarious so
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  far. You said you don't necessarily think that
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  ghost hunting is a sin. And I was editing it
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  and I realized we didn't clarify. What do you
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  mean not necessarily? Do you think you're a sinner?
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  Because this ghost might be calling you out.
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  I'm gonna not. It just said not exactly. Not
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  exactly. Oh, run now. This is actually hilarious.
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  This is what I was talking about. This is an
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  illusion. at worst of an intelligent communication
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  with the spirit at worst it's a good illusion
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  yeah at best um this could be i do not live in
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  a haunted house so i am apt to believe that this
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  is not actually my app just said agree mine just
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  said trapped she told me Oh, we're not going
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  to do this on episode, though. Just reading the
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  app. But I have an app called Ghost Hunting Tools.
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  And I know when I opened my app up and Brie,
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  you got something funny you want to share. But
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  mine says when you open it up, welcome, Hunter.
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  This app turns your device into a sensor to detect
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  the supernatural. Mine just said stopped. First
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  one I got. It said stopped. Okay. I'm going to
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  continue because there's one more sentence here.
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  The ghost wanted me to stop. I don't stop. I
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  don't listen to ghosts. But, no, I do. I do.
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  I respect ghosts. But it says, once the energy
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  the app detects is strong enough, we will reveal
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  words to you, messages from beyond. So that's
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  a lot of hogwash. doesn't mean anything what
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  i'm gonna say shortly about ghost tube though
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  which brianna is using might surprise all of
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  you but first unlike the hogwash i got on my
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  silly little app what did yours say brie because
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  it was really so heavy actually like when you
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  first open it um when you first download it has
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  a warning and it says warning GhostTube selects
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  words and phrases when specific signatures are
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  detected by the environmental sensors in your
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  device. These words or phrases generated do not
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  necessarily reflect the official position, views,
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  or opinions of the developer or its affiliates.
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  Words or phrases generated are not intended as
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  instructions or requests. Never commit any illegal
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  activities or any acts that endanger yourself
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  or others or make any important legal, financial,
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  or medical decisions based on words generated.
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  Then you actually have to click and agree and
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  acknowledge it as the disclaimer. So when I saw
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  you send this, my first thought was like, who's
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  the person that brought to court one day like
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  GhostTube as like legal documents? I ain't never
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  heard about this before. Meaning that I honestly
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  don't even remember seeing that disclaimer when
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  I first downloaded GhostTube. I don't know how
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  many years ago, and it's been on my phone since
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  then. But I just downloaded GhostTube on my iPad
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  just for this session because I use my phone
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  for recording. And yeah, I thought that was...
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  wild that you actually have to click a terms
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  and servicement agreement that you understand.
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  That's actually hilarious. Now, here's the thing,
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  though. I don't think any of you are going to
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  see this coming, but I actually have a lot of
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  respect for GhostTube. Really? how so so i went
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  on their website because ghost tube we're kind
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  of focusing now on like the apps that use like
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  the word generations you know just you know you're
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  scanning around with your phone and a word pops
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  up and oh let me go try to assume what i think
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  this means in context with what i'm talking about
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  so those are the types that we're talking about
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  but ghost tube has like a whole host like they
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  they have uh uh an sls Camera version that you
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  can download for your phone. They have a standalone
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  like EMF. They have all these other types of
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  apps. Yeah, they have SLX, Vox, Seer. I don't
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  know what that is. And EVP. Yeah, so all these
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  different types of apps. And not only do they
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  have a bunch of apps, you think, oh, they're
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  just cashing it in. They're just trying to get
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  your money. Well, A, the apps are free. B, you
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  go on their website. They have a bunch of real
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  information. Which was good. What's the information?
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  So here's the thing. You go on whatever stupid
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  ghost hunting tools app I got. And it's just
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  like, you will see spirits messages from beyond.
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  No, you're not. Go on GhostTube. And what I'm
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  about to read to you is a screenshot from their
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  website. I think all of us will agree with everything
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  they have listed here. And this is linked in
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  the description and everything. Yeah. Remember
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  that just like any other paranormal tool, not
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  every trigger is necessarily paranormal. Similar
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  to other tools, our apps are influenced by environmental
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  sensors in your device, like the magnetometer,
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  accelerometer, gyroscope, etc. Which I'm going
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  to pause and just say, these are real things
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  in your phone, like your compass. needs these
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  things you know you have them in your phone it
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  is interesting that things like the accelerometer
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  could trigger this like if you move your phone
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  really fast or you start walking faster that
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  that's one of the they're saying that's one of
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  the things that triggers words this is interesting
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  um it could be why you know as you get more frantic
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  the words tend to pop up more you know Sorry,
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  running out of the cemetery. Business way of
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  doing it. But anyways, they go on to say, our
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  tools can be triggered by nearby magnetic fields,
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  metals, electronics, sudden movements, and even
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  fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field. For
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  this reason, we always encourage skepticism and
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  offer serious investigators the following tips,
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  regardless if you're using their tools or others.
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  Always pair evidence on GhostTube with multiple
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  tools and techniques rather than relying on a
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  single tool like GhostTube. Understand how your
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  tools work and consider objects and conditions
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  in the environment that could be triggering the
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  equipment like they outlined triggers and could
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  affect GhostTube. Try to draw connections to
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  documented fact and previous reports rather than
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  assuming all output is a relevant response to
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  your investigation. Never use the output of paranormal
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  tools to make important life decisions or to
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  cope with grief or loss. Did you expect all that
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  out of GhostTube? I did not expect that from
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  GhostTube, no. No, I'm proud of them for saying
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  all that stuff, though. Yeah, I am proud of them,
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  because I 100 % agree. Like, yeah, GhostTube
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  is fun to use. Sometimes, like, pull it out and,
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  like, ooh, is there a ghost communicating with
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  us? And especially if you're, like, doing ghost
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  tours, sometimes it's, like, fun to pull out,
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  because you're more than likely going to have
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  a voice come through. yeah but like and yes most
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  of the time it isn't actually anything but if
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  you have like they were saying another piece
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  of equipment that you can like collaborate and
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  like use to verify that information that might
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  be coming through ghost tube like we do that
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  with our regular hunting like ghost hunting equipment
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  yeah like We always do the double method with
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  the spirit box and the dowsing rods. Or spirit
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  box with EVP or cat balls. Whenever we are investigating,
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  we always have multiple pieces of equipment to
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  be able to confirm or be like, ah, that was just
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  a fluke. So if you have a phone on you already...
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  why not take it out to be a third piece statue
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  equation i mean i just i don't agree with like
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  the app i got where it's like all the jargon
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  is like you're gonna find a ghost with this app
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  and like they don't explain anything on what
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  is detecting yeah at all and they're just like
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  you're finding ghosts you're finding ghosts yeah
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  you're not ghost tube 100 Did Ghost Radar say
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  anything on theirs? Yes, what about your app,
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  Ange? I'm currently looking. It didn't say anything
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  when I opened the app, but I'm going to look
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  in the... It says good luck on mine, so good
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  luck looking. Nobody knows why you're looking
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  for that. If you are doing what GhostTube literally
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  recommends, And you just are cognizant and aware
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  that you just moving fast could trip up the device
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  and result in a random word that has no relation
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  to anything supernatural or haunted. And you
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  are aware that you are right next to a running
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  refrigerator. that could trip up your phone to
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  have a false like if you're aware of all these
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  false uh positives and and uh things that could
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  cause a response and you're just using it as
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  a third or even a fourth or fifth tool during
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  an active investigation and you're not relying
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  on the app to be your sole determination of the
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  legitimacy of a haunting what is wrong with that
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  yeah yeah so i found it And it says, Ghost Radar
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  is the original application designed to detect
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  paranormal activity. Ghost Radar attempts to
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  detect paranormal activity by making various
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  readings on the device. Traditionally, paranormal
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  equipment can be easily fooled when simple mundane
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  bursts of normal energy occur. Ghost Radar sets
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  itself apart by analyzing the reading and giving
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  Indication only when interesting patterns in
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  the readings have been made. Please note we offer
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  no guarantees of accuracy or any warranties.
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  Therefore, since results from this application
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  cannot be verified scientifically, the app should
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  be used for entertainment purposes only. I do
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  call BS on that. This free app you downloaded
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  is actively and quickly identifying patterns?
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  Well, that's why I'm saying to use for entertainment
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  purposes. Yeah, but how is it finding patterns?
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  I don't know. They don't even explain what patterns
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  are they using. Yeah, I don't know. Some of these
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  apps could be tapping into audio, too. How many
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  times have you said something and then the app
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  says it immediately after? It does that, too,
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  with people who joke, your phone should listen
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  to you because you say something and suddenly
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  you see a Facebook ad for it. The phones do listen.
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  How much of that is on the ghost apps? I don't
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  know. The nice thing about this is that it's
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  not spinning out a bunch of words constantly
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  that's true i mean mine hasn't really been either
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  yeah ever since that that little burst um from
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  ghost tube i haven't gotten another thing so
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  there's there was a big burst which even then
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  if we were on a real investigation we might have
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  leaned into that uh a little more than uh we
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  gave it credit for now you know yeah Yeah, I
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  remember there was one time we were on an investigation.
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  I believe it was at Pagoras Park, if I'm not
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  mistaken. I think so, yep, in Bath, Michigan.
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  And we had out the spirit box, I had out ghost
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  tube, and we had like a flashlight. And we just,
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  we felt there was something in front of us. And
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  I kept getting words coming through ghost tube.
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  I'm like... No, if you're going to communicate
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  with us, stop using this and use the spirit box.
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  And I turned it off and then it started talking
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  through the spirit box. Interesting. And then
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  I got my shirt tugged on. And then I think our
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  flashlight was dimming on and off. So, like,
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  that was kind of more believable because I'm
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  like, hey, stop using this. Use that instead.
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  And then it switched. It took some coaxing, but
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  it did. Like. It was definitely interesting.
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  Those two apps, they don't interact. As far as
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  I can tell, as far as I know, I don't know the
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  technological side of stuff and how those two
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  things may be able to interact. Are you talking
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  about your phone and the spirit box? Yeah. The
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  spirit box is just a broken radio. Yeah, whereas
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  GhostTube is like... going off of stuff so like
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  if you're getting stuff through ghost tube but
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  nothing through spirit box like it's likely not
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  an entity but if you're like hey stop using this
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  and use that thing instead and then things start
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  coming through the spirit box then you're like
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  oh maybe it is a thing you're identifying the
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  order being the app which is using way if there's
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  any real criticism for apps like ghost tube is
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  that it's using way too many things to detect
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  for responses so there's no way that you know
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  if i keep going back to this because this is
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  probably what's resulting in a lot of these responses
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  if you move too quickly you don't know if that
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  caused a response or if you know You walked by
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  a refrigerator. You really don't know what is
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  causing the responses. There could be so many
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  different things. Yeah, there's too many things.
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  Unlike the spirit box, which it's literally a
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  broken radio. It is not doing anything or picking
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  up on anything. Just, you know, just sweeping
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  through the radio waves at whatever speed you
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  set it to do so. in a broken manner so you are
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  is the the thing that is picking up on all the
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  million other things was going off and then stopped
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  the thing that is not picking up on things resumed
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  and picked up the conversation you see what i'm
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  saying so that's interesting to me if it was
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  the other way around i would probably say that
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  you had the spirit box going and your phone probably
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  tapped into the microphone Yeah. And heard what
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  you were saying. Yeah. Spirit box doesn't tap
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  into, there's no microphone. There's nothing
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  in there. Yeah. I don't know. I personally just
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  think a bunch of, I mean, all of the ghost hunting
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  tools that are on your phone are just total BS.
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  I'm going to be honest. Even yours, Brianna.
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  Oh, yeah. I don't believe it. I mean, I think
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  if anything does mash up. to anything it's just
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  coincidence it is no but that's the thing it's
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  not it's not they're being transparent and literally
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  telling you that you're gonna get responses because
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  it's it's analyzing five million things it's
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  not yes it's just yeah and that is probably why
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  so many different things like come up constantly
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  on that on that specific app because of all the
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  things that's detecting and your brain automatically
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  wants to make connections to things that's why
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  like you're automatically like taking those words
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  it's giving out and making connections to whatever
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  else is just happening investigation or whatever
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  life yeah absolutely and if you get a hundred
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  responses that have nothing to do with your investigation
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  then you get one that's like a dead ringer for
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  what you're saying you're going to focus on that
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  one. Yeah. And ignore that statistically that's
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  not even cool or exciting. Yeah. I know I always
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  take any of the ghost hunting apps with a grain
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  of salt. I don't think they are a good tool for
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  investigating. If I'm somewhere and I'm like,
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  oh. i wish i would have brought a ghost hunting
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  tool like this place seems haunted as hell like
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  i'll pull out ghost tube just for funsies like
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  i went to a massively overcrowded antique barn
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  like last summer and i'm like oh my god i wish
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  i had my dowsing rods because there's definitely
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  something haunted here and i can't figure out
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  what it is i remember you telling us about this
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  and i of course the one time i didn't have my
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  dowsing rods in my car i'm like I'm gonna just
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  pull out GhostTube. But, you know, still couldn't
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  figure it out because it's GhostTube. So, it's...
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  They are fun to have. But, like the disclaimers
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  say, entertainment purposes. Also, should you
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  take every... Everything designed to hunt ghosts.
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  Like, I'm not talking about, like, if you get
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  an EVP on a recorder, like, you catch an apparition.
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  Like, if you're using a tool designed specifically
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  to find ghosts, no matter what it is, on your
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  phone, or if you spend hundreds of dollars on,
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  you know, one of the websites. Like an Oculus.
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  Yeah, like an Oculus. Oh, absolutely. Like, the
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  phone apps are as relevant, I'd say, as credible
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  as an Oculus. I trust a phone app more than an
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  Ovilus because at least it has a whole page saying
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  what it's doing and it's free. People are buying
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  Oviluses for hundreds, a whole month of rent
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  and there's no information on what an Ovilus
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  is actually doing. And what makes Ovilus 5 different
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  than 4? What we gotta remember at the end of
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  the day is All ghost hunting equipment is all
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  theoretical. Like, do we actually know how to
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  communicate with ghosts? Like, we can try like
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  hell to do it, but we may not be communicating
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  with anything. And our tools may just be spitting
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  out random stuff. I think the best way of communicating
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  with ghosts or doing a paranormal investigation
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  is using yourself. Like using your guts and what
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  you're feeling. But even with that. It's just
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  self esteem. But even with that. Trusting yourself.
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  It's not going to be 100%. Because you are going
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  to be influenced. By the environment as well.
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  I just like. I think it's most important. To
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  have one. Multiple. Forms. of a ghost hunting
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  tool whether that's dowsing rods and spirit box
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  or emf and like rempod ghost tube versus uh another
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  item whatever if you have multiple items to investigate
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  to be able to validate responses over across
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  multiple devices that's more martin Your phone
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  said Martin? Yeah. Sorry. Keep going, Brianna.
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  But that's more convincing that you're actually
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  collecting evidence, whereas you're just getting
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  one response. And using yourself as a tool as
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  well. Like, how is your body reacting to this
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  certain scenario? I know I've talked about vibes
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  before. Like, we've all experienced it. But yeah,
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  at the end of the day, like... Wait, the ghost
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  hunting apps are... What? This is new. What happened?
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  I don't know what this is, but it's the... Let's
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  see if I can... The spinning grid. So on her
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  app... There's, like, this little, like, literally,
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  as the name says, a radar. And there's this,
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  like, green spinny thing. And now a dot appeared.
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  There's a red dot that's just... It's getting
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  closer to you. Oh, it just moved. That's moving.
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  And this is the first time it's going off. I
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  don't know what this is. I thought this was...
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  Oh, now there's two. Oh, no, it's one. Is this,
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  like, trying to say there's a ghost present?
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  I guess. I don't know. But that's the first time
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  it's showing the red dot. It hasn't been doing
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  that lately. So let's use this to pivot. Because
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  we've been talking a lot about the Word database
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  apps, which I think we have exhausted that conversation.
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  Oh, two popped up. I'm sorry. Now there's two
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  on your radar? There was two that just popped
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  up. Okay. So that's a different, I guess, feature
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  of your app is that now your phone can not only
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  spit out words based on, for you, an unknown,
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  you know. a set of conditions that is apparently
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  analyzing the patterns for in the background
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  now suddenly your app can tell you where in the
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  room i assume they're gonna say based on like
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  your compass data or something who knows where
• 26:20
  where a ghost is around you um there are other
• 26:25
  apps on the phones like we alluded to there's
• 26:28
  an sls version that goes to makes there's Other
• 26:32
  apps that you can scan around with your phone.
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  They kind of like point to where a ghost is,
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  you know, in the camera and stuff. A lot of weird
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  apps. I think the reason we focus on a word generation
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  app is because there's actual information on
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  what they're detecting. And it's actually pretty
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  clear on, you know, they're detecting way too
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  many things. Don't use this alone. is the only
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  device and don't go down weird rabbit holes thinking
• 27:05
  every single response is a ghost the things that
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  the other things are just more cut and dry like
• 27:13
  it's not actually doing that like the sos for
• 27:17
  example we're going to do a whole deep dive on
• 27:19
  sos in the future like the actual tool but most
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  phones don't have lidar or anything in them so
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  it's just using just like pattern recognition
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  in the dark you're in the dark and it's trained
• 27:33
  to know what in the camera just looks like a
• 27:37
  person so that's why every time people use these
• 27:41
  phone apps of the sos they're just getting figures
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  in chairs or against a wall that the pat like
• 27:50
  it looks like a person i saw someone they go
• 27:54
  around to like you know every haunted location
• 27:56
  is a doll room they go around and suddenly the
• 28:00
  doll is possessed because it's showing a figure
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  on the doll yeah i wonder why it's because your
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  phone it's not detecting anything it's just trained
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  on if it looks like it has two arms and two legs
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  it's gonna do a fig you know what i'm saying
• 28:17
  this is obvious yeah um so if if someone uses
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  like a iphone SLS camera without, like, LiDAR
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  or anything like that, or any sort of mapping
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  tool, and it's just, like, just literally just,
• 28:33
  like, it's gonna, anything that vaguely resembles
• 28:37
  a person show a figure. The amount of false positives
• 28:41
  are insane, and nothing you get on an app has
• 28:45
  any merit. Same with that radar thing. It's just...
• 28:51
  It's probably detecting absolutely nothing. It's
• 28:54
  probably just popping up randomly once in a while.
• 28:57
  Yeah, at best it's random. What's actually Jacques?
• 28:59
  You can never know. Jacques and Annabelle? Could
• 29:03
  be Jacques or Annabelle. Or even David. Or David.
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  We have lots of ghosts in this apartment. It's
• 29:09
  been a while since we talked David. No, but at
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  best that radar is just random. At worst, it's
• 29:17
  like just tapping into something. It's not telling
• 29:20
  it like like if if I guess this is my main thing
• 29:24
  with like that radar thing. If they were like
• 29:27
  GhostTube and they said, listen, we have this
• 29:29
  radar feature. We tap into all these things like
• 29:34
  the compass. If you tilt your phone the wrong
• 29:37
  way, it could trigger to think there's a ghost
• 29:39
  present. Like if they said that, like what's
• 29:42
  the harm? But pretending. And trying to say,
• 29:46
  like, you're catching ghosts. There are ghosts
• 29:48
  around. Yeah. No. These apps aren't telling you
• 29:59
  there's ghosts. These apps are telling you shit.
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  Yeah, now I just got Atlantic. Atlantic. Atlantic,
• 30:06
  okay. Atlantic. We were talking about maps earlier.
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  For a future episode. We've been backlogging
• 30:16
  a bunch of these, so a future episode will discuss
• 30:19
  maps. Anyways. Anyways. These apps aren't finding
• 30:29
  ghosts. At best, they are a great and free resource,
• 30:34
  especially for the beginner ghost hunter. If
• 30:38
  you want. I disagree with that. You won't recommend.
• 30:43
  I guess that's a good question. Would you recommend
• 30:45
  that anyone download. GhostTube. I would recommend.
• 30:51
  If you are having a. Just trying to have a fun
• 30:54
  time. And not necessarily like doing. An actual.
• 30:59
  Ghost investigation. Yeah. GhostTube might be
• 31:03
  the thing for you. Like if you're not taking
• 31:05
  it seriously. But if you are a beginner ghost
• 31:09
  hunter who's just getting into it, and you're
• 31:12
  trying to find evidence, trying to learn... Generally
• 31:15
  trying to be serious about it. GhostTube isn't
• 31:18
  where you should start. Not where you should
• 31:21
  start, but if you want a fifth or sixth tool
• 31:23
  to have in the background, that's the only application
• 31:25
  for it. For a beginner. Yeah. But even with that,
• 31:32
  to use GhostTube, I think... You should understand,
• 31:36
  like, not everything's going to come through.
• 31:39
  And I feel like a lot of beginners are going
• 31:42
  to be like, oh, my God, something came through
• 31:43
  here. It's a ghost. So, like, I would say new,
• 31:49
  fresh ghost hunters don't use GhostTube. Like,
• 31:53
  if you're just doing it for fun, you don't care.
• 31:56
  Like, you're not posting it online. Like, you're
• 32:00
  just doing it for funsies. Go for it. But experienced
• 32:02
  ghost hunters don't use them either, so is it
• 32:04
  really for anyone? No, but here's the thing.
• 32:06
  Some people who are experienced ghost hunters
• 32:09
  do use some of these apps, and generally I think
• 32:12
  they work. Like, yes, it is something to pull
• 32:15
  out sometimes in a ghost hunt that's like, oh,
• 32:17
  we're not getting a lot of activity, because
• 32:19
  you can bet that something's going to come through
• 32:21
  on GhostTube. But also at the same time, if a
• 32:24
  newbie... pulls it out and they get a whole bunch
• 32:28
  of activity they're like oh my god this is a
• 32:30
  great app works so well and they never get a
• 32:33
  different piece of equipment or never try to
• 32:35
  validate it with a different piece of equipment
• 32:38
  they're never gonna do that and they're gonna
• 32:40
  think everything that comes through is a ghost
• 32:42
  that's why i'm like that's fair if you're serious
• 32:44
  about ghost hunting don't use ghost tube first
• 32:48
  if you're just doing it for fun i I think that
• 32:52
  makes a lot of sense. I think the user, it's
• 32:54
  not the app, it's the user. How is it framed?
• 32:56
  How is it being used? Because the app isn't detecting
• 33:00
  anything. It's not BS. Actually, it's detecting
• 33:03
  a lot of things. That's the problem. It's detecting
• 33:04
  too many things. So it's up to you. Angela's
• 33:08
  app is claiming it has all these patterns and
• 33:10
  stuff. It doesn't. It's up to you to interpret
• 33:14
  the data effectively. That's exactly. I use the
• 33:18
  word data very loosely. Yes. I think we've kind
• 33:22
  of hit the nail, hit the head on the nail. I'm
• 33:27
  not going to try to say this again. It's the
• 33:29
  new year. I thought we left this in 2025. We're
• 33:31
  leaving that in 2025. I think we've really, like,
• 33:37
  beat the bush. way too much hang on that's a
• 33:42
  new one you that's a new one and i'm i'm not
• 33:45
  gonna do beat the bush like what does that mean
• 33:48
  i don't even know what kind of a bush are you
• 33:51
  beating and how does one beat a bush I'm moving
• 33:55
  on. I know what you're trying to say, Brianna.
• 33:58
  We've said the same things over and over and
• 34:02
  over again way too many times at this point,
• 34:04
  just in different manners. But it's important
• 34:07
  stuff. I mean, everyone is aware of these apps.
• 34:11
  I think we have varying degrees of comfort being
• 34:14
  exposed to usages of the apps. I think we all
• 34:18
  agree that the ones that... are ghost radars
• 34:23
  and they tell you where in a room a ghost is
• 34:25
  and SOS cameras are just seeing a dime. They're
• 34:31
  all BS. The one thing is with this, with talking
• 34:36
  about this today, is I actually am coming out
• 34:38
  of this with more respect for GhostTube than
• 34:40
  I had before. Same. That was my takeaway. Now,
• 34:44
  how many people actually read that? I mean, I
• 34:47
  didn't even read the description when I downloaded
• 34:49
  it. I hesitate to say you're part of the problem,
• 34:55
  but people should know what they're using. I
• 34:59
  think that's the issue. You've done paranormal
• 35:03
  stuff for collectively 30 years. I hate when
• 35:07
  you use that expression. It's a joke. It's a
• 35:10
  bit. Are you not a November fan? No. I'm kidding.
• 35:14
  I am. I'm one of the oldies. Anyways, you know
• 35:22
  now to look that stuff up, but eight years ago,
• 35:25
  would any of us have known to even or cared?
• 35:29
  No. So I don't really know where we all landed
• 35:33
  on if we would ever recommend an app like GhostTube
• 35:37
  to anyone. I actually don't know if it has a
• 35:39
  place in the paranormal. I have respect now for
• 35:43
  GhostTube. We'll just leave it up to the user
• 35:48
  to decide. Here's all the information. Go off
• 35:53
  on your own, little ducklings. I think that's
• 35:56
  the only place that can land. This is a tool
• 36:00
  where it's up to the user to interpret the data
• 36:03
  and use it wisely. So it's up to them to determine
• 36:06
  if it works for them. We shared our opinions.
• 36:10
  Now you can form your own. I will say. The best
• 36:14
  thing you can do, though, and we'll leave it
• 36:16
  on an optimistic note. The best thing, if you
• 36:18
  want to use your phone for ghost hunting, I think
• 36:20
  we'll all agree on this part. The best thing
• 36:23
  you can use it for, just take out the voice memo
• 36:27
  and do an EVP. Yes. Because that's not an app
• 36:32
  made for ghost hunting. You might actually catch
• 36:35
  a voice that is not your own. Martin? Martin,
• 36:46
  are you here? Ghost 2 hasn't said another thing.
• 36:50
  That's actually kind of funny to me. Like you
• 36:55
  had a religious reckoning. Martin in Atlantic.
• 36:58
  Yeah, Angela's in Martin, Atlanta. Ben, did you
• 37:02
  say anything, Ben? Yeah, it said self -esteem
• 37:06
  that one time. Oh, yes. That's right. Oh, that's
• 37:10
  funny. That was funny. Brianna's religious reckoning
• 37:15
  at the beginning. If you need any help or counseling
• 37:19
  or anything. Or an exorcism. You know what to
• 37:24
  use. The apps. I don't think you can use the
• 37:28
  apps for that sort of stuff. There actually is
• 37:33
  an app. Ghost hunting therapy. Ghost hunting
• 37:38
  therapy. No, but what were the exorcisms? It
• 37:41
  can detect foul smells from a mile away in human
• 37:44
  strength. You might need an exorcism. Oh my gosh.
• 37:49
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• 38:00
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• 38:13
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