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215: The Primer Paradox · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 11: And I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 3: Cappuccino my butt. I still drink coffee.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy's Bagel Grounds, where we will get together, talk movies,
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  Speaker 10: and try to figure out the space-time continuum. So, Marlena,
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  Speaker 10: I ask you, what blend of coffee are.
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  Speaker 3: We drinking this week?
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  Speaker 12: Thundermuck.
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  Speaker 9: Say it the way you want to do it.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 12: Not to be confused with Thundermuscle.
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  Speaker 8: You previously liked Thundermuckle.
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  Speaker 12: Well, yes, but I've been watching the increasingly poor decisions
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  Speaker 12: of Todd Margaret, and now it is Thundermuscle.
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  Speaker 3: Good to know.
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  Speaker 7: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Thunder Muscle, ladies and gentlemen. Not the coffee we're drinking.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I always want to sing it in the style
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  Speaker 9: of ACDC.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Dude, you talk about it. I don't know. I'm
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  Speaker 3: sure they will get tired of anything.
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  Speaker 10: So, for this week's geek activity, this is not, I'm
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  Speaker 10: introing with the movie, but then I kind of want
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  Speaker 10: to go in a whole different direction.
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  Speaker 3: I did see Argo this week. Yeah.
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  Speaker 13: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: It's great.
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  Speaker 10: He does an amazing job directing.
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  Speaker 3: He's good in the movie.
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  Speaker 10: Thing is, I knew everything.
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  Speaker 8: And not just spoilers for real life. We kind of
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  Speaker 8: know what happens.
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  Speaker 10: But also, is it just me? And this happens all
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  Speaker 10: the time. The trailers show you so much of everything.
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  Speaker 10: I felt like I knew every move that was coming
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  Speaker 10: in that movie. And not because I knew that much
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  Speaker 10: about the history of it. I just sort of remember
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  Speaker 10: they stole some people. I remember the Iranian hostage situation,
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  Speaker 10: but I don't remember hearing this side story at all,
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  Speaker 10: so it.
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  Speaker 3: Would have been really interesting, except I'd already heard everything
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  Speaker 3: about it.
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  Speaker 10: Do we think the trailers are killing it, or is
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  Speaker 10: just press beforehand killing the stories?
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know, is it just me? Because I've
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  Speaker 3: had a couple.
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  Speaker 8: Movies this past year that I felt like I already
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  Speaker 8: know everything that's coming.
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  Speaker 14: I think.
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  Speaker 3: No, go ahead.
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  Speaker 9: I think you hated it, didn't you?
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  Speaker 3: I did.
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  Speaker 15: I think, well, I mean, just because the story, the
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  Speaker 15: main story of the movie is the... I don't know
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  Speaker 15: if you're saying, like, what exactly was spoiled. I'm guessing
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  Speaker 15: it was just the fact that they had a fake
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  Speaker 15: movie production.
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  Speaker 3: Like, that whole thing.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't know everything.
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  Speaker 11: It definitely.
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  Speaker 3: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Like, not knowing that going in, it would have been
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  Speaker 15: a way more interesting movie.
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  Speaker 3: It would have been so interesting. But at the same time, like,
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  Speaker 3: that's such... That's kind of the story of the movie
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  Speaker 3: in a way. Like, you do... From a marketing standpoint,
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  Speaker 3: you do have to have that hook. You can't just
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  Speaker 3: be like.
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  Speaker 5: A little bit.
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  Speaker 3: The Iranian.
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  Speaker 9: There's so much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: I'll be honest, like, if I didn't know it was
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  Speaker 15: about this whole, like, you know, kind of deceptive plan to,
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  Speaker 15: you know, have a fake sci-fi movie, I probably wouldn't
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  Speaker 15: have been interested to see it. So I have to,
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  Speaker 15: I do have to, you know, say that, you know,
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  Speaker 15: I'm glad that the trailers, and I didn't even know
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  Speaker 15: this story to begin with, so it's basically, you know,
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  Speaker 15: I was having a little, the trailers were kind of
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  Speaker 15: educating me as far as the whole.
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  Speaker 3: Situation when it happened.
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  Speaker 15: But, yeah, like, it does kind of suck because there's
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  Speaker 15: that kind of, At the same time, you do want
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  Speaker 15: an audience for the movie, and you want them to
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  Speaker 15: know that there was this cool story that no one
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  Speaker 15: really talks about, and it was kind of under wraps
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  Speaker 15: by the CIA until, you know, fairly recently. I mean,
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  Speaker 15: or at least it had been kept under wraps for
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  Speaker 15: a long time. And, you know, but, you know, you still,
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  Speaker 15: at the same time, you want it going fresh. You
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  Speaker 15: want to, you know, be surprised.
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  Speaker 3: That's the thing.
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  Speaker 10: I was thinking as I sat there and the curtains
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  Speaker 10: were rolling, I was like, I knew nothing. I just
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  Speaker 10: walked in off the street and had no idea this
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  Speaker 10: was even based on it until they get into it
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  Speaker 10: and they tell you that.
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  Speaker 8: But even then, if you knew none of the setup,
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  Speaker 8: that would be a.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty amazing story. But I just felt like I knew
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  Speaker 3: so much about it that it.
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  Speaker 10: Again, I just sort of appreciated what technically they were doing,
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  Speaker 10: recreating everything, but it just... It seemed so spelled out
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  Speaker 10: for me already before I even got to the theater.
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  Speaker 9: Well, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 14: I think when a movie is good, then it doesn't matter. Like, Lincoln,
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  Speaker 14: we know what was going to happen. Like, Zero Dark Thirty,
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  Speaker 14: we know what was going to happen.
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  Speaker 8: What does happen in both of those movies?
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  Speaker 3: I'm curious.
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  Speaker 14: But I felt Argo was frustrating because we knew what
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  Speaker 14: was going to happen just from a historical standpoint. But
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  Speaker 14: he tried to, like, manufacture all of this tension that
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  Speaker 14: felt really silly.
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  Speaker 9: Like, the actual getaway with the plane at the end.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so true. But it worked so well.
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  Speaker 15: Like, it worked so well in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, ah, getaway, getaway. Like, I totally, in
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  Speaker 3: the back of my head, I'm like, this is so, like,
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  Speaker 3: this is Hollywood. I give him credit as a director.
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  Speaker 10: Like, he does know how to direct a scene and
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  Speaker 10: make it tense, even when it shouldn't be.
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  Speaker 3: Because you know the outcome.
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  Speaker 8: But those scenes.
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  Speaker 10: by themselves outside of the story, those scenes still work.
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  Speaker 16: I think in line with what we were saying, this
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  Speaker 16: is very, I mean, when you have Ben Affleck's The Town,
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  Speaker 16: it's not a movie that you have to explain to get.
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  Speaker 8: It's The Town, you're in... Exploding, Frank Robbins.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 9: So I think while still, I.
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  Speaker 16: Don't want to ascribe, I'll side with Lucy on this,
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  Speaker 16: I don't want to give Ben.
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  Speaker 16: Too much credit in terms of complexity but I think
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  Speaker 16: just on the base level this movie is a more
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  Speaker 16: complicated sell especially for if you want to bring on
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  Speaker 16: like previous fans of Ben Affleck films I will say
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  Speaker 16: I really like the small bits of anything there's one
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  Speaker 16: scene where he's getting the visa to go to Iran
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  Speaker 16: and this is one of my favorite things in the
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  Speaker 16: movie the guy stamps the thing and it says like
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  Speaker 16: the country of.
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  Speaker 3: Iran or whatever the look Well, I was going.
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  Speaker 8: To say when he marks out and pin, like they
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  Speaker 8: were so quick in the turnover, it's now the Islamic
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  Speaker 8: Republic of Iran, and they hadn't updated their state documents yet.
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  Speaker 16: So he marks out and pin on the visa stamp
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  Speaker 16: and writes Islamic Republic of Iran. I really love the
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  Speaker 16: small parts about that and then especially the– I thought
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  Speaker 16: the great scene– and what you find out in hindsight
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  Speaker 16: is the third act like escaped.
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  Speaker 8: That was all manufactured.
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  Speaker 9: The plane actually went off flawlessly. They just walked straight
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  Speaker 9: through the airport.
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  Speaker 10: That's kind of what I wondered, how much of that
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  Speaker 10: tension was totally added.
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  Speaker 8: But the tension at the opening scene, the actual sacking
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  Speaker 8: and then burning the documents.
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  Speaker 9: And that scene was amazing.
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  Speaker 3: That opening, the U.N. storm, or not the U.N., the
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  Speaker 3: embassy storm, that was just one of the most suspenseful.
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  Speaker 9: What were you saying about that one?
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  Speaker 15: No, yeah, I was going to say, I think it
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  Speaker 15: was the same scene where he's getting his passport checked and, like,
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  Speaker 15: you know, you don't think it's going to go through,
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  Speaker 15: and it's this really tense moment, like, you know, in
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  Speaker 15: this moment, you know, they could all fail, and, you know,
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  Speaker 15: everything could just go downhill. And they finally find him,
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  Speaker 15: you know, they up them in the system in the
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  Speaker 15: nick of time. His name shows up, and then, like,
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  Speaker 15: right in that moment, he says, like you say, you
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  Speaker 15: were talking about the little things, and this was kind
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  Speaker 15: of more of a character kind of moment where he
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  Speaker 15: just kind of, like, looks up, and he's like, thank you, God. Like,
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  Speaker 15: that was just kind of a cool part. It was just,
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  Speaker 15: it's like, I mean, this is one of those movies
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  Speaker 15: I saw this year that was definitely made for an
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  Speaker 15: audience to entertain.
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  Speaker 5: Like, it had those.
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  Speaker 15: He just made sure to, you know, sprinkle those fun character, like,
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  Speaker 15: you know, you can laugh here.
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  Speaker 3: This is a funny joke. You know, this is really intense. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of.
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  Speaker 15: Like Django did the same thing in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 15: It was just a very, just made to be seen
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  Speaker 15: in a theater with an audience. It wasn't, Zero Dark Thirty,
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  Speaker 15: on the other hand, was a very more just kind
• 9:17
  Speaker 15: of intense and gritty, realistic kind of type movie. But
• 9:22
  Speaker 15: this was kind of a fun, almost like a heist movie.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, it wasn't a heist for me, but like,
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  Speaker 15: you know, when they're all in the van.
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  Speaker 3: They were stealing people.
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  Speaker 15: It kind of had this fun, kind of like, yeah,
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  Speaker 15: this is the, it was like an Ocean's kind of
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  Speaker 15: 11 kind of cool thing.
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  Speaker 3: We're all playing cards. We're going to recover. Ocean's in Iran? Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Ocean's in Iran. Wait a minute.
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  Speaker 15: But again, this fun kind of vibe, it just, it
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  Speaker 15: was a fun, even though it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 15: based on history and everything, it was this kind of fun,
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  Speaker 15: I won't say light entertainment because it wasn't light, but yeah,
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  Speaker 15: I just had that.
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  Speaker 3: Kind of made-for-an-audience kind of feel to it, I think.
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  Speaker 9: Here's the other problem I have with it. It felt
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  Speaker 9: like one of those movies. Okay, it's a dumb plan.
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  Speaker 3: Like, honestly, they keep, they.
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  Speaker 9: Keep, but they keep being like, this man's dumb. It's
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  Speaker 9: so crazy, it might actually work.
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  Speaker 3: That's right. No, it really, it really is a bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: Doesn't he actually.
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  Speaker 15: Say that in the movie, like, Bryan Cranston, like, he
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  Speaker 15: literally says, like, It's so crazy. I feel like there's
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  Speaker 15: one point where someone does say that.
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  Speaker 3: There's all these nods.
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  Speaker 14: There's all these acknowledgments to the fact that it is,
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  Speaker 14: in fact, the stupidest plan ever.
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  Speaker 9: But it's one of those things. It is the filmmaker's
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  Speaker 9: fault because they made the movie.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously.
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  Speaker 14: I feel like this movie and The Impossible were two
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  Speaker 14: films that were so hard, frustrating to watch because The
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  Speaker 14: Impossible was one of those things where Somebody heard this
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  Speaker 14: story and was like, this story is so amazing.
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  Speaker 9: We have to tell this.
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  Speaker 14: Story because it's so cool. And it's so implausible that
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  Speaker 14: you have to keep being reminded, no, this really happened.
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  Speaker 9: This really happened. Because if it hadn't really happened, it
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  Speaker 9: would be the world's stupidest movie. No, the fact that
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  Speaker 9: it happens makes it a story. You tell it a
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  Speaker 9: cocktail party. It's not a movie you sit through for
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  Speaker 9: two hours.
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  Speaker 8: Do you enjoy the Alan Arkin, like the Hollywood stuff?
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  Speaker 9: I like Alan Arkin always.
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  Speaker 15: I personally think that, I mean, I like the Hollywood
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  Speaker 15: part was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, but I still feel like they, John Goodman
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  Speaker 3: was a little underused. I mean, he was good. He
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  Speaker 3: was good.
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  Speaker 15: He's, I mean, but like I had, what happened was like,
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  Speaker 15: I had just, I think right before I saw Argo,
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  Speaker 15: I just seen flight and John Goodman kind of plays
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  Speaker 15: the same.
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  Speaker 3: But I, I totally prefer John Goodman in flight. He
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  Speaker 3: was more... He's a cartoon character. Yeah, he was, like,
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  Speaker 3: a caricature. And it was, like, a little over the top.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I love him because I love John Goodman,
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  Speaker 3: and if it was anybody else... Yeah, I mean, he's
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  Speaker 3: good in both movies. Don't get me wrong. And this is, like,
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  Speaker 3: a minor nitpick, really, in terms of just, like, I
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  Speaker 3: really did... This wasn't a.
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  Speaker 15: If anything, like, I don't have any real problems with
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  Speaker 15: John Goodman in this movie. But, yeah, for one thing,
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  Speaker 15: I personally don't understand why they're... I mean, Alan Arkin
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  Speaker 15: has got all this... I mean, this is sort of, like,
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  Speaker 15: awards attention for Argo... because his role didn't really stand.
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  Speaker 3: Out in that way to me. I was totally kind
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  Speaker 3: of blown away when it was like, he's nominated for, like,
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  Speaker 3: of all people, Alan Arkin again?
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  Speaker 15: He was good in it, but he was still kind
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  Speaker 15: of the curmudgeon-y, like, oh, you know, I've been through it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying it's a lazy performance, but
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  Speaker 3: it's like the same. It's one note. Yeah, in a
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  Speaker 3: little bit.
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  Speaker 16: Ben Affleck was on Fresh Air with Terry Gross, and
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  Speaker 16: he was talking about casting Alan Arkin, and he said
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  Speaker 16: that his biggest hesitation.
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  Speaker 16: For casting Alan Arkin to start out with was that
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  Speaker 16: he almost thought it was too obvious a choice. That
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  Speaker 16: the role was so perfect for Alan Arkin that he
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  Speaker 16: felt like it would be a cop-out.
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  Speaker 9: So I don't know, you couldn't.
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  Speaker 16: Really get from the message, from the interview though, if
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  Speaker 16: he had, it wasn't like, so I decided to cop out.
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  Speaker 16: He kind of sidestepped how he had made that decision.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good move on me. Yeah, it's like, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, he never says, so how I made this work.
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  Speaker 9: Like, you know, he totally left that part out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: He just ended it with people like Alan Arkin. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Be in.
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  Speaker 15: Also, Michael Park shows up for a second, and I
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  Speaker 15: was like, why don't you keep him in the movie, please?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 13: Why.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, he clearly had a bigger part, I think,
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  Speaker 15: that was cut, but he just shows up like, oh,
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  Speaker 15: Michael Park's like this.
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  Speaker 3: Ryan Cranston's good. Ryan Cranston's awesome. He's pretty good.
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  Speaker 9: You can pepper him into anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think there's so many good things about it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's got.
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  Speaker 10: I don't know. That was my main issue, like, sitting
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  Speaker 10: there the whole time, just, like, they've blown so much
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  Speaker 10: of this story, which was already a known story.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't have any issues with it. Like, I'd seen
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  Speaker 3: the trailer, I'd seen the story, I went into the movie,
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  Speaker 3: and it just was on the edge of my seat.
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  Speaker 10: I loved it.
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  Speaker 3: So, you know. Again, I think those moments work.
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  Speaker 8: Even when I didn't buy them.
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  Speaker 15: I kind of, like, I liked it a lot, but
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  Speaker 15: I don't think I liked it as much as Save
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  Speaker 15: the Town, because I think... Ben Affleck is even better
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  Speaker 15: when he's in that kind of pulp Boston kind of setting.
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  Speaker 15: His sense of space and his... I don't know. The
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  Speaker 15: Town and God May Be Gone are the only movies
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  Speaker 15: I've seen, like Boston movies. Even The Departed didn't really
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  Speaker 15: do this for me. You feel like you're kind of in...
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  Speaker 15: You get the feel of Boston, the feel of the city.
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  Speaker 15: With The Departed, it's just... it does it you can
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  Speaker 15: totally tell it's like a filmmaker who's like not in
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  Speaker 15: his home like in his he's out of his element
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  Speaker 15: and he doesn't quite know how to film the city
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  Speaker 15: so it kind of feels the sense of space is
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  Speaker 15: kind of weird yeah and like the in the town
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  Speaker 15: there's moments like in the shootout scene particularly where they're
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  Speaker 15: in the van like you feel like you're just kind
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  Speaker 15: of driving around the city just i really like how
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  Speaker 15: he achieved that that was just it was a very
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  Speaker 15: immersive thing that was kind of lost in this movie
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  Speaker 15: i feel like was that sense of space, I guess.
• 14:55
  Speaker 9: He's going back to Boston for his next film.
• 14:58
  Speaker 16: Except it's going to be a Prohibition-era period piece.
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: So we'll see how that goes. That'll be interesting. I've
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: liked all three movies that he's directed so far.
• 15:13
  Speaker 10: It is amazing the career that he's turned around in
• 15:17
  Speaker 10: like 10 years.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was.
• 15:19
  Speaker 10: He was a huge actor, but he had no respect.
• 15:22
  Speaker 10: And then he kind of quit acting for a while.
• 15:24
  Speaker 10: And within that time, totally became an Oscar caliber director.
• 15:28
  Speaker 10: So just in that short span of time, that's an
• 15:30
  Speaker 10: impressive career.
• 15:31
  Speaker 9: He became a Golden Globes caliber director.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: But it's Jennifer Garner.
• 15:39
  Speaker 11: That's what changed.
• 15:40
  Speaker 16: It was really funny, too, though, because in that little hiatus,
• 15:43
  Speaker 16: Casey Affleck came onto the scene. And everybody was immediately like,
• 15:46
  Speaker 16: this guy's the way better brother.
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: He was in.
• 15:49
  Speaker 16: The assassination of Jesse James. Then he directed Joaquin Phoenix
• 15:53
  Speaker 16: in the.
• 15:53
  Speaker 9: Most bizarre film of all time. I'm still here.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: But then.
• 15:58
  Speaker 8: But.
• 15:58
  Speaker 16: Then it kind of took the long life back. We
• 16:01
  Speaker 16: haven't really seen Casey Affleck in.
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: A couple of movies.
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: I think he has a couple of new movies.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: He's in a Wands and Sundance movie. But yeah, he
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: hasn't really done too much. It's like all.
• 16:12
  Speaker 16: Of a sudden that guy that was the young guy
• 16:15
  Speaker 16: in Killing Him Softly this year.
• 16:17
  Speaker 15: He looks like they tried to cast Casey Affleck, but
• 16:20
  Speaker 15: it's like, this guy kind of looks like him, we'll
• 16:22
  Speaker 15: cast him instead.
• 16:22
  Speaker 8: Yeah, no kidding.
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what that actor's name is. I'm
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: just like, I'll just be like the guy who looks
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: like Casey Affleck. He looks good.
• 16:33
  Speaker 8: He looks scared really well.
• 16:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he looks scared really well.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, he was really good in it, I forgot.
• 16:39
  Speaker 10: He was.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to address that.
• 16:43
  Speaker 8: We can head on into this week's movie.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: So we'll take a break here and be back with
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: this week's feature.
• 17:06
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: And now, before the next show starts, let's enjoy an intermission.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: You'll find our snack bar chock full of good things
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: to eat and drink. Tasty, tempting hot dogs.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Thirst-quenching soft drinks, fresh, crunchy popcorn, a complete assortment of
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: delicious candy, and a full line of cigarettes.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Such stories as H.G.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Wells' War of the Worlds and Jules Verne's 20,000 Leagues
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Under the Sea have challenged mankind. So today, man is
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: successfully probing deep into the mysteries of the universe. Can
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: he penetrate the greatest mystery of all, time itself? It
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: took the creative magic of George Pal and the fabulous
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: production know-how of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer to catapult you through time into
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: a world that is yet to be.
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: Why is it that we usually ignore the fourth dimension?
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: You see, we can move in the other three.
• 18:51
  Speaker 8: As the doctor said, up, down, forwards, backwards, sideways.
• 18:54
  Speaker 12: But when it comes to time.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: We are prisoners.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Inventor Rod Taylor's breakthrough into the realm of the fourth
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: dimension is defied by his friend Alan Young.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: If that machine can do what you say it can,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: destroy it, George, before it destroys you.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Every moment is a year, hurtling through the atomic wars
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: of the future on an incredible excursion into the unknown.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: What are the people like? Ah, the shape of things
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: to come. It's lovely Yvette Mimeux. And what happens when
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: boy meets girl thousands of years hence?
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: How do they wear their hair? Who?
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: The women of your time. Up like that?
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: Show me.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Is this the human race of the future? Or is
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: this the Morlocks, fiendish creatures who live in a weird
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: underground world? And the Eloi, the tranquil sunshine people? who
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the Morlocks dominate and maintain like cattle, luring them below
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: with the hypnotic wail of the sirens to feed upon
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: them in cannibalistic horror?
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I love the movies.
• 20:13
  Speaker 8: Welcome to the biggest movie event of the year.
• 20:16
  Speaker 7: We're going to have a great night, ladies and gentlemen.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: And the Oscar goes to.
• 20:20
  Speaker 9: And the.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Oscar goes to... Nick Ledger.
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: Thank you so much.
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: Ladies and gentlemen, prepare yourselves. It's time for the Movie
• 20:32
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• 20:44
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• 20:47
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• 20:54
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• 20:59
  Speaker 9: We're a show that is ostensibly about horror.
• 21:03
  Speaker 14: Booby bouncing that monkey was Benson.
• 21:07
  Speaker 15: He had sex with Kim Cattrall open your mouth so
• 21:11
  Speaker 15: I can fill the void rats are.
• 21:13
  Speaker 17: Gross far eastern yeti have smaller feet than.
• 21:17
  Speaker 10: So like what are we supposed to learn from that
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: You're like, shit, this is the one with the really
• 21:21
  Speaker 10: fat guy.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Damn it. Okay. They gave each other a Dutch rudder.
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: It was fine.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Apparently you've never been to makeitandy.com. Those are flaps, not doors.
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: Woody.
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: Anyway.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: Who's Woody? It's a wiker with a booty. It looks
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: like Mike's jerking it over there. I'm going to class
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: it up now. After that smut. Shows are most popular
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: by the way they smell.
• 21:41
  Speaker 9: You're a real black hole right now.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: He sure is. I'd bang him. The horror of unreleased
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Beach Boys songs. There you go.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: Are you referring to my lady right now?
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Nope.
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• 22:55
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• 23:07
  Speaker 5: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: So if it's an incubator for fungus, is that valuable?
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: That's not what it is. Then what is it? Well,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: there's one other way that it could secrete that much protein.
• 23:17
  Speaker 15: It could do it naturally, but that takes a lot longer.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: A lot longer. But if it has a little moisture
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: and it's left alone, it'll start secreting and it'll build
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: up and build up, but it takes a long time.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: How long?
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: A long time. More than a few days?
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Then how long?
• 23:32
  Speaker 15: He says to get the same amount of protein that
• 23:33
  Speaker 15: we had, the same amount that I was wiping off
• 23:35
  Speaker 15: every five days, and five days later it would accumulate.
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: He says it would take about five to six years.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I want to belittle this guy. Exactly. So I said,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: screw it, and I put my watch in there.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: I want you to do it. Where's the box? I
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: took it back to the shop. Wait, digital or old mechanical? Exactly.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I did both. And what? I want you to do it.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Hey, what did I do?
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Can't believe the fit.
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: I just threw.
• 24:20
  Speaker 14: Stupid.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Hey, wonder the reaction.
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: Hey, wonder the reaction.
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: I remember the words, how.
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: I said them so they would hurt. But then I
• 24:37
  Speaker 9: regret my actions.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I regret my actions.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: If I could press rewind, rewind the tape, redefine the
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: lines that make my fate, take it back in time
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: just one day.
• 24:56
  Speaker 14: Hey.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: So all I need is a time machine.
• 25:04
  Speaker 14: A one-way track.
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: Cause I'm taking it back, taking it back. All I
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: want is a glory run. If I could go just
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: like that. I'll be taking it back, taking it back.
• 25:33
  Speaker 6: I'm more confused by this.
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: I've studied this timeline and it's made it more confusing.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I get that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: I've avoided that one.
• 25:46
  Speaker 9: It looks ridiculous.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: This is like homework.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: All right, so obviously we're looking at the diagrams here,
• 25:56
  Speaker 10: and we've got.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Out a slide rule.
• 25:57
  Speaker 10: So we're obviously back, and we're going to be discussing
• 26:00
  Speaker 10: this week's Super Theater Feature, Primer.
• 26:03
  Speaker 8: The year is.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: 2004, director Shane Kurth.
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: The plot, which usually on IMDb is so specific and
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: spoils everything, If you haven't read it, this is the
• 26:17
  Speaker 10: most vague plot, specifically for this movie.
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: It's kind of funny. The plot, according to IMDb, four.
• 26:23
  Speaker 10: Friends slash fledgling entrepreneurs, knowing that there's something bigger and
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: more innovative than their different error-checking devices they've built, wrestle
• 26:33
  Speaker 10: over their new invention.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: The end. Really? Wow. You summarized the first scene?
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Not the movie?
• 26:44
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: That's very strange. So that's spoiler.
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: Alert because we plan on going way more in.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: Depth than that just did.
• 26:51
  Speaker 11: But that's the only thing I'm sure of.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I suppose. Is that. From that point. The plot's actually
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: seemingly pretty straightforward. It's only like an hour and 15
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: minutes long.
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: And for the first.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Hour it's like actually really straightforward. Like I've seen it
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: twice now. The first time I was told it's a
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: really confusing thing.
• 27:07
  Speaker 9: I was like I get this. Like it's a little.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: Weird but I get it. And then um And then
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: it just all turns on its head. And then you
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: go back and watch it again, and there are all
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: sorts of things that you don't... I don't know, like,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I decided to take notes this time, and there are
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: things you don't even realize you need to take notes on.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: And I was talking to a friend who's seen it, like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: five times and made me watch it in the first place,
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: and he's like, well, did you notice this and this
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: and this? And I said, no, because it's.
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: Just too much.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: I think the plot is straightforward.
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: The science behind it is, like, overwhelming for people who
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: don't have, like, a degree in astrophysics so go.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Into it a little off sometimes but.
• 27:47
  Speaker 17: You know i think um there's so much um and
• 27:51
  Speaker 17: it's not it's not necessarily science for me it's that
• 27:56
  Speaker 17: that when that you're kind of slow to me i
• 27:58
  Speaker 17: was slowly realizing that oh i got the deeper it
• 28:04
  Speaker 17: got in the more complex it got in i guess
• 28:06
  Speaker 17: for me and i was like oh i've missed that
• 28:08
  Speaker 17: and i missed that and i missed you know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 11: And I don't like that.
• 28:13
  Speaker 17: You know, I can handle one or two things, but
• 28:15
  Speaker 17: then I was like, oh, everything they said is important.
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: You know.
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: It was not at all.
• 28:21
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: So we have a slightly negative pressure in the box.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: So we're ready for the argon. Which one is that?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: The blue one. Blue one. I weighed it at 77 grams.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Set the scale to decagrams, though. I'm showing 7.... 7 decagrams.
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: We're ready for.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: 05 liters of argon.
• 28:50
  Speaker 10: I was 15 minutes in, and I was just like,
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: oh my god, shut up.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 28:55
  Speaker 8: They're talking so much jargon to the point that I
• 28:59
  Speaker 8: know it was on purpose.
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: He's trying to create a very specific, realistic world. He
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: doesn't like the fanciful science fiction stuff. He wants it
• 29:06
  Speaker 10: to be real world, but there's a dividing line.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: Of making it entertaining, versus just spouting out jargon.
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: I think there's a difference there, and it crosses the
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: line for me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: I liked what you said, that you got a little
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: bit in, and you were like, oh wait, I was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 9: Supposed to be paying attention.
• 29:24
  Speaker 8: The film, the first scene, it's kind of like office space,
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: but if they had a better work ethic. There's four guys.
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: Sitting around, and they're after work attire, still wearing their ties,
• 29:35
  Speaker 16: and they're arguing about a business plan, you know getting
• 29:38
  Speaker 16: by not seeming overly happy about their you know relatively
• 29:43
  Speaker 16: comfy white collar status and then you just have that shift.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: And you were like wait i was there all along.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: I just didn't realize.
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: We haven't even said what happened like what the film's.
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: Well, we had the whole plot.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: We talked about it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: We're 15 minutes in and we haven't talked about anything yet. Well,
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: then we'll get to my favorite part. My favorite part
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: of the whole movie, Weebles.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: Yes. First shot was a really lovely shot.
• 30:11
  Speaker 11: Weebles with slime on them.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: I like Weebles. So that's my favorite part.
• 30:15
  Speaker 19: Yeah, they build a box and the box is supposed
• 30:20
  Speaker 19: to do one thing and it has the side effect
• 30:22
  Speaker 19: of doing another, which again is a very purposeful thing.
• 30:26
  Speaker 10: He wanted to do that, you know, most great inventions
• 30:28
  Speaker 10: aren't the invention they were going for.
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: It's an offshoot of something that happened by accident.
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: They have the Reese's peanut butter cup of inventions here.
• 30:36
  Speaker 10: Oops, you got time travel in my gravity device.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: So, they build this box, and then they build a
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: bigger box, and I don't know.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: I don't think we need to spell out the whole thing.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: We need to figure out the difference of it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: So, then they start traveling in time, kind of, sort of,
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: or napping.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: A lot, depending on the story.
• 30:57
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: Here's what I was confused, and, like, I just watched
• 30:59
  Speaker 12: this right before I came here, and I was, like,
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: really tired.
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: That was my viewing experience as well.
• 31:04
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and, okay, I understand that within the box, time...
• 31:09
  Speaker 12: comes unstuck if you will for lack of like a
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: better scientific term but like it didn't seem to affect
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: things outside of the box you know like when they're
• 31:17
  Speaker 12: standing there and they realize that this fungus that would
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: take like five years to grow grew in like five
• 31:23
  Speaker 12: days it like everything outside the box was not affected
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: so it's just like regardless of whether or not you
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: were in the box maybe you aged more or less
• 31:31
  Speaker 12: but it's just like i don't see how that affected
• 31:33
  Speaker 12: everything else that's that's what i was are.
• 31:35
  Speaker 20: We talking about the paradoxes yeah like like their ability
• 31:41
  Speaker 20: to travel through time, it seemed like time changed within
• 31:45
  Speaker 20: the box and not necessarily around it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 9: But I mean.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Well, it's supposed to only change inside the box.
• 31:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: It's not supposed to affect anything outside. But that was
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: also a hole.
• 31:53
  Speaker 10: As I delve further into this, they were talking about
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: how the science doesn't even match up. In the beginning,
• 31:59
  Speaker 10: they're talking about how when they send the Weeble through,
• 32:01
  Speaker 10: it's accelerating time.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And they're actually like, it's taken five and six years
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: to get this, you know, moss going on. Whereas.
• 32:08
  Speaker 10: Later, they get back in and it's really, it all
• 32:10
  Speaker 10: becomes about going back in time and moving around and
• 32:13
  Speaker 10: they don't really go through that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 17: That was discussed when he said if you could get
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: something to go out the wrong side.
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: See, they kept taking it out A, he was going
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: out B.
• 32:24
  Speaker 10: But they still seem like they should be suffering effects
• 32:27
  Speaker 10: from this the way that the Weevil was.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe not quite, well, it depends.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: I mean, they didn't leave that in for that long,
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: but the time.
• 32:34
  Speaker 10: Is accelerating so much that it starts, you know, they
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: start getting lost and there's So all we get is
• 32:39
  Speaker 10: that hint of the blood that there's something going wrong there,
• 32:42
  Speaker 10: but we don't.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: They never, again, it's another big loose end that they
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: never really tie up or address. Yeah. No, go ahead.
• 32:50
  Speaker 10: Sorry.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Say with the Weevil though, it's like, it's, it's going
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: through multiple revolutions and they're taking care of like each
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: time to only go through one revolution. So like the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Weevil is going through, would they say years?
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I said five or six years. Years of, before it
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: gets kicked out at the end and they're not sitting
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: in the box waiting to get kicked out they just
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: they're setting.
• 33:10
  Speaker 14: The time right because they said that the weevil is
• 33:13
  Speaker 14: like going on like a loop of cul-de-sacs just around
• 33:16
  Speaker 14: and around yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 10: But how long is there I mean how long is
• 33:19
  Speaker 10: the weevil in there during this thing it's not it's.
• 33:23
  Speaker 17: Not existing in a time it's not existing in a
• 33:26
  Speaker 17: time so it can it's been in there a lot
• 33:28
  Speaker 17: longer than even they're perceiving like theirs is like 5
• 33:31
  Speaker 17: to 22 or something like that you know and I
• 33:35
  Speaker 17: think the Weevil is, since it's not, since there is
• 33:39
  Speaker 17: no timer and it's in that state, in that place,
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: it doesn't have to, the fact that they're breaking the
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: cycle doesn't mean that it's only been six hours.
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: For the Weevil. It's been.
• 33:50
  Speaker 17: years for the Weevil in addition to the time that
• 33:52
  Speaker 17: it's traveling.
• 33:52
  Speaker 10: It still just seems like an issue, even if they
• 33:54
  Speaker 10: found that way to fix it at the end, to
• 33:56
  Speaker 10: bring up that in the beginning and then not balance
• 33:59
  Speaker 10: it out. Like, why even bother with the moss thing
• 34:02
  Speaker 10: if it's not going to come into play into the
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: entire rest of the world?
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Well, to show that there's a loop going on for
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: however long until eventually it kicks it out. And they
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: never figured out why it gets kicked out at the end,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but that it has to. Which, you know, it's okay
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: that to me that they didn't explain that because they,
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: they just discovered this. They don't understand everything. So the
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: fact that there's stuff they don't understand, like that just
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: makes sense. Um, but I wasn't bothered by that part.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Like at all.
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: We have a diagram and it's extremely complex.
• 34:34
  Speaker 17: Um, now I can't get the two guys, especially cause
• 34:38
  Speaker 17: they're a and a, and I don't think they will
• 34:39
  Speaker 17: refer to each other. I, I, maybe I got lost,
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: but the redhead or the blonde guy was the blonde guy.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: Okay. The blonde guy. So he, He's the one that
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: approaches him on the park bench. What layer of him
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: is that at the park bench?
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: You've got Abe on the roof looking down. You've got
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Abe down at the park bench. Then you have Aaron
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: who already has the earpiece in.
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: Right. He's already at the end.
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: When you get into time loops, then.
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: There is supposedly a first time through before everything takes
• 35:14
  Speaker 10: effect that I guess– Even with the earpiece, he was
• 35:16
  Speaker 10: actually just listening to the game the first time. And
• 35:19
  Speaker 10: then he goes back and changes things, and everybody comes
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: into play after that.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: But there should, I mean, you can't, there should.
• 35:27
  Speaker 8: Be a first time through for you to be able
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: to have a loop.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Well, it gets all.
• 35:31
  Speaker 8: But then you circle back in the loop.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: There's the failsafe machine, which is going back.
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: Which is screwing up everything.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Once you got to the failsafe machine. Yeah, that's when it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 9: All fucked up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 16: I thought it was really interesting, even with all this
• 35:43
  Speaker 16: complexity going on, of how mundane the actual mechanism is.
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: I mean, this isn't the time machine. You're not flipping
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: a switch. The way that you do it is you
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: turn it on like it's a dishwasher.
• 35:55
  Speaker 16: And then you get inside of it, and you have
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: to physically stay in there for like six hours. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 16: then meanwhile, if you're the guy on the outside who's,
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: you know, at the beginning of the film when they're
• 36:03
  Speaker 16: trying not to deal with things, they just go to
• 36:06
  Speaker 16: a hotel room and hang out for six hours. Like, it's...
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: It's a very crawl.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Snail's pace way to time travel.
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: I kind of like that aspect.
• 36:16
  Speaker 14: I don't know about you guys, but I spend a
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: lot of time worrying about how dumb everybody is.
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: And then I think, like.
• 36:23
  Speaker 14: How, like, there's so many inventions that are like, how
• 36:26
  Speaker 14: did a person do that?
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: Because everyone I meet's really dumb. And then you realize, well,
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: maybe it's because we just accidentally step into this shit.
• 36:35
  Speaker 9: So I kind of liked that aspect.
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: That's what happens with, like, with most things, I think, so.
• 36:39
  Speaker 10: But my problem with them just their performance as they
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: go along it's like they are they start doing very
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: dumb things which you probably would in this circumstance if
• 36:48
  Speaker 10: this happened and you stumbled upon something huge like this
• 36:51
  Speaker 10: you probably would.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: But they seem so calm and in.
• 36:55
  Speaker 10: Control all the time even when they're looping back around
• 36:58
  Speaker 10: and stabbing each other and themselves in the back and
• 37:00
  Speaker 10: like there's all that like they should be a little
• 37:02
  Speaker 10: more gravel they should be a little more unhinged by
• 37:05
  Speaker 10: the end of this movie when all of this stuff
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: has happened and they're just like Now we're going to
• 37:10
  Speaker 10: go back to the machine. It's just so in control when,
• 37:14
  Speaker 10: in the beginning, that makes sense.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: By the end, they should not be that common at all.
• 37:18
  Speaker 8: There's no sense of self-awareness. Like, holy crap, we have
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: time travel now. They're just like, hey, honey, how's it going?
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: And then the wife leaves the room and they're talking
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: about time travel. Or even like, oh, my God, we're
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: going to be billionaires.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: High five. No, it's just like, well, all right, so
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: we replaced the.
• 37:35
  Speaker 15: That's what I felt absurd about this movie to me because,
• 37:37
  Speaker 15: like you said, no one flipped their shit over like we.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Just invented this thing.
• 37:42
  Speaker 15: It just felt like literally the whole movie was like,
• 37:44
  Speaker 15: it's like your really smart math friend, like, just solving
• 37:48
  Speaker 15: this complex problem in front of you like i feel
• 37:50
  Speaker 15: like the movie it was trying so hard to say
• 37:54
  Speaker 15: that this totally impossible thing time travel is possible and
• 37:57
  Speaker 15: it's like here's why and it's like it took it
• 37:59
  Speaker 15: so seriously and it's like it's time travel if you're
• 38:02
  Speaker 15: gonna make a movie about it don't make a time
• 38:04
  Speaker 15: travel movie that's purely about time travel the best time
• 38:07
  Speaker 15: travel movies have fun with the fact that this shit
• 38:09
  Speaker 15: is impossible and we're like terminator like you know it's
• 38:14
  Speaker 15: Like I said, this whole diagram, the fact that you
• 38:18
  Speaker 15: have to.
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: I have the same problem in this section.
• 38:20
  Speaker 15: You watch a movie and then you have to have
• 38:21
  Speaker 15: this fucking map after you watch it to explain.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: How to watch the fucking movie. It's like, that's not
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: a movie. What the fuck?
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Some people.
• 38:31
  Speaker 15: It's just one of those movies you have to know
• 38:32
  Speaker 15: what you're getting into when you watch it. Like I said,
• 38:37
  Speaker 15: if you're into this kind of thing, I can totally
• 38:40
  Speaker 15: get why if you're an engineer... Like, you have a
• 38:43
  Speaker 15: mind like these guys, like, why it might be fascinating.
• 38:45
  Speaker 15: And I kind of thought it was fascinating, too, like,
• 38:47
  Speaker 15: for the first half hour or so. But then I
• 38:50
  Speaker 15: was just like, you know what? This isn't going anywhere.
• 38:53
  Speaker 15: The people aren't behaving like– there's no real drama that
• 38:56
  Speaker 15: I'm invested in.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: No, there's not.
• 38:58
  Speaker 15: And it's just– like you said, it's just about– the
• 38:59
  Speaker 15: whole movie is about proving, like, this is possible. I mean,
• 39:03
  Speaker 15: there's always going to be holes. And you're creating more
• 39:05
  Speaker 15: holes was what you're doing when you're, like, making it
• 39:07
  Speaker 15: more complex. All you're doing is creating more holes into
• 39:10
  Speaker 15: this whole– you know, how you're, I don't know, just
• 39:13
  Speaker 15: the way you're trying to create time travel is just,
• 39:15
  Speaker 15: it seems pointless to me. And if you're going to
• 39:17
  Speaker 15: make a, like, in terms of making a movie. Maybe
• 39:20
  Speaker 15: if you're, like, pitching this to, like, NASA or something.
• 39:23
  Speaker 15: You know, like, put this to use.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Like, put this kind of thinking to use. Don't make
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: a movie about it.
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: I was talking last night.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: I was describing it. It's not really a science fiction movie.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: It's a science movie that has a fictional... It's more
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: like an interesting philosophical mind experiment illustrated rather than an entertainment.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: That's true. I mean, it's like there's no other movie
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I've seen that's like it. And it is... It does provide...
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: It is something different. I'll say that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: But it's just... Have you seen Triangle?
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: What is Triangle? I like Triangle.
• 39:54
  Speaker 11: It's like this, but there's something at stake and it's entertaining.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: It's entertaining.
• 39:59
  Speaker 14: See, the problem with this is I just felt like
• 40:01
  Speaker 14: there was never any humanity to it at all.
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: I mean, that just didn't exist. Like, there was no
• 40:05
  Speaker 9: character development. You weren't invested in these people.
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: It had such a completist, like, I want control of, like,
• 40:11
  Speaker 15: making time travel possible.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Like, it wanted to get to that point and finally, like,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 40:15
  Speaker 15: Like, I just felt at points, like, it was taking
• 40:17
  Speaker 15: it so seriously, like, how much it wanted you to believe.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: And how time travel might be possible. I'm like, that's
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: kind of... That's interesting, you know?
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: Like, it's really.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It, you know, maybe... But the fact remains, like, this
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: is a... I don't know. Like, just.
• 40:31
  Speaker 15: The fact that you're trying to pitch this to me
• 40:34
  Speaker 15: in a movie... Like, you're trying to pitch it so
• 40:36
  Speaker 15: hard in a movie and then the characters are so
• 40:37
  Speaker 15: nonchalant about it and they're just concerned with pitching how.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: you know, how logical, like, I just couldn't go with it,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: I just think if you invented time travel, you shouldn't, like,
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: your concern shouldn't be to, like, swindle the stock market.
• 40:52
  Speaker 12: You invented time travel. Dude, you're going to be a
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: fucking trillionaire. Let everybody know.
• 40:58
  Speaker 11: When they said, we can publish, I was like, yes!
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Stop!
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: We can publish.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: It said, you know, because they knew, it said, like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: they couldn't, they had to wait until they understood it
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: And then they said they initially wanted to get money
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to fund so they could continue to research this. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: so it started out perfectly scientifically reasonable as far as
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: just the purpose of it, and then it got I
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: think that's the most realistic thing.
• 41:28
  Speaker 8: That's the one time you're like, no, I get that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go play the lottery. What was cool
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: about it is what was really innovative.
• 41:36
  Speaker 15: I would have loved to have seen this in a movie,
• 41:38
  Speaker 15: another time travel movie that kind of handled it differently
• 41:40
  Speaker 15: was just how their time travel device was this box.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: That you just sit in. That's kind of interesting.
• 41:45
  Speaker 15: It does kind of make it seem all the more
• 41:50
  Speaker 15: believable and grounded in reality, but it kept on pursuing
• 41:53
  Speaker 15: it trying to be, like, you know, just explaining, like,
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: how it can work. Like, I keep going back to
• 42:01
  Speaker 15: this map.
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: I'm looking at.
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: I mean, I've looked over it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: This one's a little bit easier to follow. It's, like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: one that's, like, you know, it has pretty pictures.
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: It's from the Wikipedia.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It's from the Wikipedia, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: where Beau got these.
• 42:13
  Speaker 16: I read an interview with Kareth after I watched the movie.
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: And in a way, it kind of made me more
• 42:19
  Speaker 16: cynical about the movie. Because his whole idea, and I
• 42:22
  Speaker 16: get what he was trying to do, But his whole
• 42:24
  Speaker 16: idea is that by making the plot so obfuscated and
• 42:28
  Speaker 16: really just feverish, is that he wanted to put you
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: in the place of these characters in that there's been
• 42:34
  Speaker 16: so many loops and so many different tangential things that
• 42:39
  Speaker 16: they don't know what's up, and so he wants you
• 42:41
  Speaker 16: to not know what's up either. But the problem is, like,
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: you've seen those action movies that set these scenes, and
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: it's like, you know there's action going on, but it's
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: staged in such a terrible way that you can't tell
• 42:51
  Speaker 16: people's relation to each other.
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 16: This is like if a director made that on purpose.
• 42:57
  Speaker 16: He doesn't want you to know what's happening in his
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: own movie. And even though if he has this slight
• 43:03
  Speaker 16: critical justification for that, it doesn't come off.
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: You know what I mean?
• 43:08
  Speaker 15: It's like because we're not the guy who directed the movie,
• 43:10
  Speaker 15: we're clearly not going to know what makes the movie
• 43:12
  Speaker 15: great to him and what's behind it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Because like I said, it's so specific. Like, how are
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: you supposed to put it together?
• 43:18
  Speaker 8: Because I think he thinks that's what's great about it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: He's like, well, okay, maybe it's great to you, but, like, okay,
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: it's great. Okay, but you have to tell me that.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: That's the thing.
• 43:30
  Speaker 10: I don't give him credit. Like, Shane is a smart dude.
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: And I'm watching this, and I'm like, he is actually talented.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: I think it looks good visually. I think he.
• 43:40
  Speaker 10: is so meticulous about the way he wants to structure
• 43:43
  Speaker 10: it and the way he wants to see.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: It moving through, I just don't like the way he does.
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: But I don't doubt him as a filmmaker, I just
• 43:49
  Speaker 8: don't like this movie.
• 43:50
  Speaker 15: There are other films that have that puzzle, like you
• 43:52
  Speaker 15: do the math on what's going on behind everything, like the.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Mechanics of it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 15: But at the same time, movies like Charlie Kaufman or
• 44:00
  Speaker 15: Terminator 2... You.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Know, but I feel like this was the shitty half...
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: This was the... Yeah.
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: No, like, you have to put, like, the time travel,
• 44:07
  Speaker 15: the complexity of the time travel in, like, something like Synecdoche,
• 44:09
  Speaker 15: New York.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: Like, how you're trying to.
• 44:10
  Speaker 15: That just boggles the mind, how you're trying to put
• 44:12
  Speaker 15: together how everything, like, you know, works. Like, that could
• 44:15
  Speaker 15: also be a diagram movie. But this, to me, was, like,
• 44:18
  Speaker 15: the shitty half of a Charlie Kaufman movie.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Like, without the.
• 44:20
  Speaker 15: Interesting, like, human inside, without the story, without the characters,
• 44:24
  Speaker 15: it was just the pure puzzle.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, I can't follow this. Like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I just... Maybe, I mean, I'm totally shitting on it
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: at this point. It wasn't that bad. I just want
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: to ask a quick question. Am I the only one
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: who liked this? I didn't dislike it. I liked it
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: at first. Like I said, the first half hour. Am
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: I the only one who's okay with it?
• 44:44
  Speaker 9: I'll tell you something. I was super impressed with that.
• 44:46
  Speaker 9: I think he may be. And that's when I read
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: that he made this film for $ 7, 000.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 16: And the thing is, you can see it. I kind
• 44:54
  Speaker 16: of got that mentality that he had to have had
• 44:56
  Speaker 16: when he made that from scenes.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: In the movie.
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: When they're at the beginning... when they're trying to figure out,
• 45:01
  Speaker 9: they know.
• 45:02
  Speaker 16: The things, they know the components that they need, but
• 45:04
  Speaker 16: they don't necessarily have the money to get those components.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: They need palladium, so they're taking it with their car.
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: And I realized, like, that's the mentality they had to
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: have to make this movie for $ 7, 000.
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: They were, like, going to their mom's apartment and stuff.
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: Like, that's cool.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: I did, like, a scene with the refrigerator.
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: I was like, we're not actually saving money if we're
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: just buying a new refrigerator.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: That's another thing.
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: I'll give them credit.
• 45:25
  Speaker 10: That's what I would say for, like, filmmakers like independent
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: filmmakers in particular know your limitations write what you can
• 45:32
  Speaker 10: make and he did that like there's nothing that he
• 45:34
  Speaker 10: wrote that you couldn't go out and be like oh
• 45:36
  Speaker 10: I know where there's a storage lot that we can
• 45:39
  Speaker 10: go do this in or we can work at my
• 45:41
  Speaker 10: office it's fine so it's like he knew what he
• 45:43
  Speaker 10: could do and he didn't write outside of that and
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: from that angle it's.
• 45:47
  Speaker 16: Good they did it on 16mm too which is really
• 45:50
  Speaker 16: impressive that they were able to control the budget shooting
• 45:52
  Speaker 16: on film.
• 45:52
  Speaker 10: Like that definitely at this point even in 2004 you
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: wouldn't think they would have.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah Okay, can we talk about... I want to talk
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: about paradoxes. Because I love time travel movies because I
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: love shitting on them because I always get hung up
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: on the paradoxes. Things like Terminator.
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: But the thing about those movies is that they realize
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: that there's a paradox and they have fun with it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: Like Looper, the scene where Bruce Willis is like, I
• 46:18
  Speaker 15: don't want to talk about time travel. It's basically him
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: saying to the audience, it's not important.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Just have fun with the movie and.
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: Go with it because time travel is a paradoxical thing
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: that can't happen and But the fact that we have.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: It in our movies, there's going to be these holes.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing that annoyed me about Looper, though, as
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: far as that. You have movies like Terminator or Back
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: to the Future that ignore the paradox, and that's fine.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: And then you have movies that... Okay, so one of
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: the justifications for the grandfather paradox is the idea of
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: alternate universes. So has everybody seen Looper?
• 46:50
  Speaker 10: Yes.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Okay. So it starts out.
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: Should we say spoilers for Looper?
• 47:00
  Speaker 14: You're aware that he was the time travel advisor on Looper, right?
• 47:03
  Speaker 13: Yeah, that bothered me.
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: Oh, is that why he has the thanks on IMDb?
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I know, what's his name?
• 47:14
  Speaker 15: Ryan Johnson took a, I mean, this was a This
• 47:16
  Speaker 15: movie was a big inspiration for Looper.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: It's well said.
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: I had heard that he did second unit shooting for
• 47:21
  Speaker 10: Johnson and they ended up cutting it all and that's
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: why he's not credited as a director.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Which may or may not be true.
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: I wonder if it was the Hong Kong stuff.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The thing that bugs me about Looper
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: is they introduced the idea of a multiple, of an
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: alternate universe. Like when the main character goes through and
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: then he goes back in time and then it's different.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: So it's like we've established, okay, the rules are that
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: there's an alternate universe but then later... when they're chopping
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: people's limbs off and all of a sudden the guy
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: doesn't have a limb, they've introduced the paradox, they've solved it,
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: and then they've ignored the fact that they solved it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: The thing is, though.
• 47:57
  Speaker 16: I think that was just because it was really cool
• 47:59
  Speaker 16: for them to be able to have something to write
• 48:01
  Speaker 16: on his arm.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: But in an otherwise really entertaining and pretty smart movie otherwise,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: it just really bugged me and just... That they couldn't
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: stick with one or the other, that they had to
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: solve it and then ignore their own... I like... Yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: that's true. Like, it does kind of.
• 48:19
  Speaker 15: There are parts where... Like, it has different versions of
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: time travel. Like you said, it goes different ways on
• 48:26
  Speaker 15: how time travel works. Especially with, you know, writing on
• 48:29
  Speaker 15: the arm. Like, that totally contradicts a lot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: But, I don't know. Like, I just... And this comes down,
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: I guess, to just, like, a personal... Because I.
• 48:37
  Speaker 15: Know that time travel is such a complex and crazy thing.
• 48:40
  Speaker 15: You can never hope to have a complete, perfect understanding
• 48:43
  Speaker 15: of it in a movie.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: You're just heading down a bad road there. There's just
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: no point.
• 48:50
  Speaker 15: I would rather see a movie that has fun with
• 48:52
  Speaker 15: it and plays with different ideas of time travel and
• 48:55
  Speaker 15: has a good story and interesting characters and does something
• 48:57
  Speaker 15: kind of.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 49:00
  Speaker 15: Just like, again, it goes– and I'm boiling it down
• 49:03
  Speaker 15: to story.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying a movie can't do this because, like
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I said, this is definitely unique. There's never been another
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: movie like Primal. This is its own thing.
• 49:13
  Speaker 15: But if I want to– I mean in terms of
• 49:14
  Speaker 15: time travel, I would i would rather see it handled
• 49:18
  Speaker 15: in a kind of cheeky kind of wink wink way
• 49:23
  Speaker 15: like respecting it like you know not completely like just
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: making it totally dumb because there are some dumb.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Time travel movies um like uh The hot tub time machine?
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: That's the perfect example.
• 49:37
  Speaker 10: Time cop is scientifically accurate.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm totally distracted by the hot tub time machine.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: You're thinking about it right now, aren't you?
• 49:51
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: I was just going to make a side note. The
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: interesting thing about the Terminator movies, think about in the
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: first movie, if they had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: then Skynet wouldn't be because it's in the second movie
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: after they try to come back again, and Arnold gets killed,
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and then in the third movie, we find that they
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: found the arm, and that's how they got the technology.
• 50:12
  Speaker 9: Well, the third movie sucks.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: I don't want you to say it.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going with the whole storyline here. And so if
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: they had succeeded in killing Sarah Connor, they wouldn't exist.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: It's basically, it's the grandfather paradox that killed their own.
• 50:26
  Speaker 9: I guess just that doesn't bother me so much.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: It does.
• 50:29
  Speaker 15: The Terminator 2 is just such a fun movie, I guess.
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: And you realize they're writing the rest of that story
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: like 10, 15 years later when they're like, oh, we
• 50:41
  Speaker 10: gotta keep these movies.
• 50:42
  Speaker 15: I get bothered by plot holes in sci-fi movies when
• 50:44
  Speaker 15: it's like, I mean, like something like, I mean, probably
• 50:47
  Speaker 15: just didn't bother me so much, but like say, or
• 50:49
  Speaker 15: like The Dark Knight Rises and movies like that where
• 50:52
  Speaker 15: there's like these gaps in time. It's just, and the
• 50:54
  Speaker 15: the holes and problems come from kind of the filmmaking
• 50:57
  Speaker 15: aspect or like, you know, how a certain character got
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: from A to B and not like Inception, like it's
• 51:03
  Speaker 15: dealing with dreams.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you know, you're making up your own thing.
• 51:06
  Speaker 15: And time travel, like I can forgive some, you know,
• 51:09
  Speaker 15: kind of shaky stuff when it comes to dealing with
• 51:13
  Speaker 15: time travel or going to people's dreams, which are two
• 51:16
  Speaker 15: impossible things.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: So it's like, okay, I can't fault that because you're already,
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: you know, by... nature of.
• 51:21
  Speaker 15: Having these included into the plot, you know, you're already
• 51:24
  Speaker 15: asking for holes to show up anywhere, and I'll just,
• 51:27
  Speaker 15: I'll ignore that, I'm willing to ignore that as long
• 51:29
  Speaker 15: as it's fun. So, but this was like, took the,
• 51:34
  Speaker 15: the idea that this can happen, and here's the math
• 51:38
  Speaker 15: behind it, and it's just, it's like, it's like explaining,
• 51:42
  Speaker 15: and it just, it just, it, the, the, the tone
• 51:45
  Speaker 15: was just kind of, I don't know, it was just,
• 51:47
  Speaker 15: it had, it was just kind of.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: This complete, this, uh, we want you to buy into
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: this kind of vibe. And I was like, but it's
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: a time travel. I don't, it's, yeah. It's interesting. I mean,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: it's an interesting concept.
• 52:01
  Speaker 15: Like I said, I liked the device they use for
• 52:03
  Speaker 15: time travel.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: It's very cool. But just the way it was.
• 52:06
  Speaker 15: Handled was kind of alienated me, I guess.
• 52:10
  Speaker 14: I thought, Alan, it was really interesting when you said
• 52:12
  Speaker 14: that you were frustrated by the logic behind Looper because.
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: You thought that Shane Carruth, cares whatever his name is,
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: should know better. He did not actually invent time travel.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Exactly. It's like, he's the authority behind time travel. He
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: should have known better about the idea of the paradoxes.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: But he said technical words. That means time travel.
• 52:29
  Speaker 14: But he, I mean, if he's purposefully sort of obfuscated
• 52:33
  Speaker 14: all of this, I mean, we're a table of people
• 52:35
  Speaker 14: that watch movies.
• 52:36
  Speaker 9: This is what we do. And I think that usually
• 52:39
  Speaker 9: we don't find ourselves, like, totally confounded by what we've
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: just seen. And if we are confused, like, I don't know.
• 52:47
  Speaker 9: I just, I don't know. And this is where I
• 52:50
  Speaker 9: start talking about Richard Kelly.
• 52:51
  Speaker 14: I feel like he's one of these directors where there's
• 52:54
  Speaker 14: a reason why he hasn't made a movie in almost
• 52:56
  Speaker 14: 10 years. And we'll see what this next movie is
• 52:59
  Speaker 14: that's coming out in 2013.
• 53:00
  Speaker 8: But he did a lot of stuff really well.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: He's been making movies in the last 10 years. He
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: made The Box. The Box. No, no, no, no. Not Richard. No,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I'm saying like.
• 53:08
  Speaker 14: His directorial debut, then he did other movies, and everyone
• 53:11
  Speaker 14: was like, oh, yeah, you actually.
• 53:13
  Speaker 8: Are bad at this.
• 53:15
  Speaker 15: The box had some cool kind of Twilight-like... No, the
• 53:19
  Speaker 15: box is.
• 53:20
  Speaker 8: It had bits.
• 53:21
  Speaker 9: It sucked.
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: It sucked. Made no mistake. The box is a bad movie.
• 53:27
  Speaker 15: But it does have, like, I mean, there's some, like,
• 53:29
  Speaker 15: if they just took certain moments, fleeting moments from the movie, like,
• 53:33
  Speaker 15: it has this creepy vibe. The music in it is
• 53:35
  Speaker 15: really haunting. Franklin Jill is a really creepy kind of...
• 53:38
  Speaker 15: It would have made a good Twilight Zone episode.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did make a good Twilight Zone episode.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: It was? Oh, well, okay.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Even the movie's.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: First half hour is the Twilight episode.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: And then, like, there's a whole other half hour of
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: nonsense that goes on. Well, that's one of the boxes
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: as well. It's like, you see the trailer and you think, like, oh,
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: it's about they have to decide whether or not to
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: push the button and And you don't realize, like, after
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: half an hour, like, they push the button. Yeah, they
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: just get on with it. So it's like, oh, there's
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: a whole hour left. What's going to happen? Exactly. It's like, well,
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: here's some portals. And it's like, what?
• 54:09
  Speaker 9: But here's the thing. Okay, so I hated Donnie Darko.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: What?
• 54:12
  Speaker 13: No, no, no.
• 54:13
  Speaker 8: We're doing a whole Donnie Darko episode.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
• 54:14
  Speaker 8: Donnie Darko part two.
• 54:18
  Speaker 14: And I've said this before, so I know I'm just
• 54:21
  Speaker 14: repeating myself now.
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: But I watched the movie.
• 54:24
  Speaker 14: I watched it in the theater. I didn't know anything
• 54:25
  Speaker 14: about it when it started at the Langley Theater. I
• 54:27
  Speaker 14: went to see it opening day and walked out and
• 54:32
  Speaker 14: was like, okay, either I'm really dumb or that movie
• 54:37
  Speaker 14: didn't make any goddamn sense.
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: And so I went home, and I got on the internet,
• 54:41
  Speaker 9: because that's what you do.
• 54:42
  Speaker 14: And I was told that he had actually created this
• 54:47
  Speaker 14: book that was the book in the movie, and that
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: it did actually explain all of this, and that there
• 54:51
  Speaker 14: was a website, and if you navigated the website, then
• 54:54
  Speaker 14: you would get to the.
• 54:54
  Speaker 9: Book, and it would unlock the book. So I tried
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: to navigate the website, and... That was impossible. And then
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: I find out that the book isn't a book, it's
• 55:02
  Speaker 9: a pamphlet, and that the pamphlet basically says, time travel
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: can happen because time travel. And I was like, wait, what?
• 55:08
  Speaker 14: And so I think sometimes these directors make these movies.
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: That are sort of smug in their.
• 55:16
  Speaker 8: i'm.
• 55:16
  Speaker 14: Smarter than you and i'm gonna make this movie that
• 55:18
  Speaker 14: makes you feel like you don't understand but really i'm
• 55:20
  Speaker 14: just kind of throwing a lot of.
• 55:21
  Speaker 15: Shit at the wall i don't think necessarily it's like
• 55:23
  Speaker 15: a matter of smug like i'm better than you like
• 55:25
  Speaker 15: you just certainly feel that way because they're so like
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: already you know engineer aspect but like they're clearly interested
• 55:31
  Speaker 15: in this like they want it like they want to
• 55:32
  Speaker 15: show you this like they think you know this would
• 55:34
  Speaker 15: be an interesting thing to show but i don't know
• 55:37
  Speaker 15: like it's the thing.
• 55:40
  Speaker 10: With fanny arco even if you don't like the movie
• 55:43
  Speaker 10: you have to say along the way there's some really
• 55:45
  Speaker 10: entertaining stuff that i feel like this movie.
• 55:47
  Speaker 11: Didn't have that's the same same thing.
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: With interesting stuff in this.
• 55:51
  Speaker 17: With southland tales it's a mess it's it's a it's
• 55:56
  Speaker 17: at its basis a bad movie but there's so much
• 55:58
  Speaker 17: really good stuff in it that i i i like
• 56:02
  Speaker 17: it it's about five.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: Movies crammed into one right it is it is Just what.
• 56:08
  Speaker 16: I want to say about Donnie Darko versus this movie
• 56:10
  Speaker 16: is I feel like Donnie Darko is a movie that
• 56:12
  Speaker 16: it's a puzzle that there's no solution for. And once
• 56:16
  Speaker 16: you kind of really, for a while, like you just
• 56:18
  Speaker 16: get out of.
• 56:19
  Speaker 9: The movie and you're intrigued for a minute.
• 56:20
  Speaker 16: Then once you get, you figure out there's not really
• 56:22
  Speaker 16: any way to figure it out, you get frustrated. Whereas
• 56:25
  Speaker 16: this movie, you literally could dissect it frame by frame
• 56:28
  Speaker 16: and figure it out.
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: We have it right here.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: And yet somehow.
• 56:32
  Speaker 16: Like, the thought of doing that as opposed to, like,
• 56:35
  Speaker 16: pondering over Donnie Darko is so, seems so much less interesting.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: Well, like, Donnie.
• 56:40
  Speaker 8: Darko made that work for me.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Like, it was so, like, it was kind of in
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: love with the enigma of it.
• 56:45
  Speaker 15: Like, it knew that it was kind of this fractured
• 56:48
  Speaker 15: and it had this humanistic.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: Kind of vibe.
• 56:49
  Speaker 15: Like, you know, it was very, like, it was very
• 56:52
  Speaker 15: fragmented and it kind of knew, like, this movie is, like.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Trying to blueprint this is how it works.
• 56:58
  Speaker 15: And, like, Donnie Darko, I feel like didn't, I mean,
• 57:02
  Speaker 15: there is, like, I mean, like I said, the director
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: does have his own theory on, like, you know, how
• 57:05
  Speaker 15: brilliant it is or whatever. I mean, it did totally
• 57:10
  Speaker 15: recognize or present it as this kind of enigma that's
• 57:12
  Speaker 15: hard to understand.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: Like, it recognized that, you know, we don't know quite
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: what's going on. But this movie's, like, so literal.
• 57:18
  Speaker 15: It's like, Primer's, like, as if the dude from Pi,
• 57:21
  Speaker 15: the movie Pi, tried to make a movie about time
• 57:23
  Speaker 15: travel and tried to.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: Prove it so hardcore. Like, I was like, dude, you're just,
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: this is pointless. Like, just don't. I don't know.
• 57:31
  Speaker 17: Yeah, well, let's talk about the difference between procedural writing
• 57:36
  Speaker 17: and creative writing. Donnie Darko, there's time travel aspects of it,
• 57:40
  Speaker 17: but it's art more than it is procedural.
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: Whereas this is, you.
• 57:46
  Speaker 17: Have four engineers that wrote this and they just filmed
• 57:49
  Speaker 17: it for as cheap as possible.
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: That's all this is.
• 57:51
  Speaker 17: They wrote something that to them makes complete sense. engineering
• 57:55
  Speaker 17: wise and then they just filmed it and they said
• 57:57
  Speaker 17: well no it's in there you just have to dissect
• 58:00
  Speaker 17: it well i don't do large math problems so i'm
• 58:03
  Speaker 17: not going to do this whereas with donnie darko i
• 58:06
  Speaker 17: can at least appreciate the art and like wow that
• 58:09
  Speaker 17: was a great shot there's none of that in this
• 58:12
  Speaker 17: as far as i'm concerned there's no.
• 58:14
  Speaker 10: He's competent but and again actually i think he looks
• 58:18
  Speaker 10: more promising because the trailer for his new and Visually,
• 58:21
  Speaker 10: it looks pretty great.
• 58:22
  Speaker 11: I take that back.
• 58:23
  Speaker 17: Some of the shots with the garage door opening and
• 58:26
  Speaker 17: closing and they bring in and come out, that was good.
• 58:28
  Speaker 10: I like the little window when they go in the
• 58:30
  Speaker 10: room and they're explaining and shooting through the window.
• 58:33
  Speaker 11: Some of that's good.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: He's got skill.
• 58:37
  Speaker 10: I think he just didn't have the basics to make
• 58:40
  Speaker 10: an entertaining movie at this point.
• 58:41
  Speaker 16: I'm really interested to see that new movie. It got
• 58:44
  Speaker 16: some pretty positive reviews at Sundance Live.
• 58:46
  Speaker 10: It's an upstream color and it's got Amy Simonson.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Who we haven't shown, is really, really cool.
• 58:53
  Speaker 16: It sounds like it's still fairly similar in terms of
• 58:56
  Speaker 16: sticking to that procedural track.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It sounds very complicated. But it's dealing with.
• 59:00
  Speaker 16: More biological aspect versus physics-based.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: Just the trailer looks complicated.
• 59:06
  Speaker 10: So I don't think he's strained from this basic idea
• 59:10
  Speaker 10: but it looks a little more artistic now that there's
• 59:12
  Speaker 10: probably somebody putting some money.
• 59:13
  Speaker 16: Behind it I wanted to talk about a 2007 Spanish
• 59:17
  Speaker 16: language film called Time Crimes which I think is very
• 59:20
  Speaker 16: similar to this I wouldn't be surprised if the director
• 59:23
  Speaker 16: of Time Crimes had seen Primer.
• 59:26
  Speaker 8: But makes choices that I think make it a much
• 59:29
  Speaker 8: more enjoyable I.
• 59:31
  Speaker 10: Don't love it as much as most people that get
• 59:33
  Speaker 10: into it, but I do think it's a lot more
• 59:35
  Speaker 10: entertaining than Primal.
• 59:39
  Speaker 16: But mainly just that they totally eschew any attempt to
• 59:42
  Speaker 16: explain how this time machine came into being. The Spanish
• 59:44
  Speaker 16: guy lives on his house. There happens to be a
• 59:46
  Speaker 16: scientific facility that's inexplicably in his backyard. He stumbles into
• 59:50
  Speaker 16: a box, goes back in time an hour. Things happen.
• 59:53
  Speaker 16: There's a guy in a mask who turns out to
• 59:55
  Speaker 16: be him.
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: Then it turns out there's, like, Spoiler alert.
• 59:59
  Speaker 11: Spoiler alert.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: It's very much a who does what.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 16: It's satisfying in that you grok it as it goes on.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: It does make sense.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: It holds your hand, though.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 17: It gives you the things that you need to know
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 17: when you need them. And that's all I ask. If
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 17: you're going to show me something and then I'm going
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 17: to come back and see it later, first show it.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 17: And I need to know that it's.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: Kind of important to be seen.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: There's an element of sadism to Primer that if you
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 8: can't sign up for it.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: And it's a very knowing sadism.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: Like, he knows.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: Like you.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 10: Said, he's manipulating you to the point that you are
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 10: as confused as he can.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: I kind of admire that, though, in a way. It's
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: just like, fuck, this is how I'm getting... You can't
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: keep up, and fuck you. This is my time travel movie. Again,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: that's what I said. To fully realize it's definitely the movie...
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: wanted to make like for sure i.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 8: Respect him as a filmmaker i just don't like the movie.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 10: That's like by the end i was like in the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 10: first time i'm still kind of like wait and then
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: they did what and then afterwards i did sit down
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 10: and map it all out and figure it out and
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 10: by the end i'd watched it like twice in the
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 10: last day and i'm like okay i pieced it together
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 10: i get the story i do understand it makes sense
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 10: i see how he went there and i've got the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 10: whole thing mapped out and you know what i still
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 10: don't care that's the end of the day it's like
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 10: after i do all this work I'm.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: Still not invested in it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 8: That's what I've seen with the one guy flying away
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: at the end.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 9: You're like, well, I don't even know who you are.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: Which version are you doing?
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: Or the one that walks out the door when the
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 11: two are at the end.
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  Speaker 17: You're like, yeah, okay, now maybe that guy's more important
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 17: than this one.
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  Speaker 3: None of them are important.
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  Speaker 8: That's the problem. Because there's no humanity.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: There is.
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  Speaker 3: It's just an exercise. The reason I'm... Ben, you were
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: talking earlier about kind of criticizing him for taking the
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: idea too seriously because it's time travel and, you know, it's...
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: It's actually really interesting if you read some deeper scientific
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: literature about the actual physical possibilities of time travel and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: how that might work because we think of time as
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: being linear. It's a pamphlet. It's Kelly wrote. Again, I
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: totally get where you're coming from. I know, I mean,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: you're talking about science. This is a movie. But there's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: a difference for me.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, I think you like this movie from the
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 15: standpoint of Like you were saying, it's an exercise. Like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 15: it's very– like it definitely does kind of enlighten you
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 15: in terms of the– like what was the book you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 15: were going to– what was the name of the book?
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  Speaker 5: What book?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to mention a book. I
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: mean I wasn't going to mention a book, but there
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: is a book called– Oh, okay. Which if you bring
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: it up.
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  Speaker 9: How did you know that?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: There's actually this really interesting book called Physics of the Impossible.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: It's by Michio Kaku, and what he does is he
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: takes various science fiction tropes, like force fields, laser and such,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: time travel, teleportation, intergalactic travel, and talks about the actual
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: ways these might be possible somewhere in the future. The
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: first section is maybe we might see this within a lifetime.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: This is theoretically maybe possible, but we're not going to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: see it for a million years, if at all. It's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: a good book. I was going to say, that would
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: be great as a book.
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  Speaker 8: It's a movie. My understanding of the science, the theory,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 8: is that While someday we probably will be.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 16: We understand the physics of forward time travel. You just
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 16: have to get in something going super fast and your
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 16: time is going slower relatively for you than for the
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 16: outside so you can travel in the future. My understanding
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 16: is there's no theoretical basis for backwards time travel.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 8: It's absolutely impossible.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 16: So if you want to go that way then any
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 16: sort of time travel plot period that involves backwards time
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 16: travel is contrived so why even try and But there.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Are particles in deep space that have been observed. I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: don't know the exact scientific things about it, but I've
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: not read just this one book. I've read about other things.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: There are things that go back and forth in a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: loop in space. There's a thing called the Feynman diagram,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: which I don't understand at all. But there's a nice
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: diagram if you look it up on Wikipedia. And it
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: happens with particles in real life. I don't question the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: science involved.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 10: I think what I end up having a problem with is, again,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 10: the artistic angle.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: I think it's the story structuring.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 10: Because I think the setup, even the first two-thirds of it,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 10: up until we get to the.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Crazy looping around, it's not bad. It's slow, it's wordy,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: but that's all on purpose. He has a plan for that.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 10: What I start to really take issue with is the
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 10: fact that It just doesn't have the basic structure that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 10: you need for the end of the movie to work.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Like the Granger character. Who the hell is he? We
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: have a mention of him.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 10: We know who he is, but there's not near enough
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 10: weight for him to just be thrown into the middle
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 10: of it.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 8: We don't really see him.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: He's there. He falls down.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 8: It just jumps from one thing to the other.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I forgot all about that. This is a major point
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: in the movie.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: And what do they do with his body?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: They say that he's in the bathroom at one point.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Nothing is mapped out on that.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: That's just bad story strength. That's not science.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 16: Oh, and then the other two friends that they just
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 16: have in the first scene and then just... We're not
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 16: going to tell them about it, but we're also not
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 16: going to show them anymore.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: They just had to work the rest of the week
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 8: when they were shooting.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 12: And at the end where he makes mention about, well,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 12: maybe you can put them in the box and have
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 12: doubles of them. It's just like, okay, so the guy
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 12: has a thing for his wife and his.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: I was really confused by that.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 8: I mean, just that last third of the movie, the
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 8: Granger plotline makes no sense, but they just tie it
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 8: up as quickly as they can and get it over with,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 8: and then never really even go.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: Back into it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 10: And then the party plotline is so, like, again, it's
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 10: barely mentioned in the beginning of the movie, and then it.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Becomes the entire third act almost, centers around them.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 10: And all this nonsense happens because they're going back to
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 10: fix this party scenario.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: Why? Wait, that party they mentioned, why do we care?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 10: We don't know who this crazy ex-boyfriend is.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: They didn't elaborate on that. We don't even.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Know what's going to happen. They don't either.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 10: They just have a hunch that maybe that's what Granger
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: was doing. So this entire thing spiraled out of control
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 10: because maybe something, I don't know, about some character that
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 10: we weren't introduced to.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 8: There's so many problems.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 16: Kara spent two years editing this, and was so frustrated
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 16: that at points he thought he would give up. So
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 16: I'm wondering now, I'm wondering now, if that, you know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 16: his little theory about, well, you need to feel like
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 16: the characters feel, I'm wondering now if he just got
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 16: to a point where, like, this is such a mess,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 16: I've over-edited to this point that there's no way I
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 16: could ever make it make sense, so.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, you weren't supposed to know that one.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 9: So then when he starts doing press, he's.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: Like, I want you to be confused.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: Like I was when I was piecing this together.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 16: You could imagine a slowed, like, Schmeagle-like descent where he
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 16: was like, they don't need to understand.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 14: It's okay.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: Man, are you hungry?
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 21: I haven't eaten since later this afternoon.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: What's up, you guys? What's up? I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: I forgot it was in my pocket. It's Kara.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: How do cell phones work? If there's two duplicate phones
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: and I call the same number.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 9: Do they both ring at the same time.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 8: Or is there.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a radio signal. No, it's a network.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: The network checks each area.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: When it finds a phone, it stops ringing.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 17: It rings the first one.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: This one's ringing.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: So the one your double has in Russellville can't be right.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: I think we broke symmetry. Are you sure that's how
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: cell phones work?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: You feel all right? I feel fine.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 10: Do you?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: It's interesting watching it through a second time. You notice
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: things that you didn't even notice before. Like at one point,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: she said they're fumigating in the attic. There are rats
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: up there. You don't think anything. Later, he's dragging his
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: own body up there. That's what that is. There's hints.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: One thing that kind of bugged me the first time around,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: which I talked to the friend who recommended it to
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: me five times, is the phone call thing. When they're
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: in the hotel room, he gets the phone call, supposedly
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: from his wife, and then later on, after he's moved back,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: he gets the phone call again, and they have the
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: whole conversation about... Which I like that.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 8: I like that, because.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 16: It's their scientist brain. They're like, wait, how does this work?
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: That was one of the smarter parts of it but
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: here's the thing my issue with that is like well
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: here's a paradox like you've just cancelled something out and
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: he said well but it may not have been his
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: wife like he may be calling himself to give himself
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: instructions because like earlier there's a scene where he like
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: calls where he's in the house and he calls the
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: cell phone and then like his cell phone rings at
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: the same time, or he calls somebody, his cell phone
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: rings at the same time, he hangs up really quickly.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: He may have forgotten that the phone's right here, so
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: that's going to ring. So there's little things like that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: that you don't even necessarily think about. It's something you
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: have to watch over and over again.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 16: My first hint that there was something else going on
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 16: was the repetition of the line. I think it's, oh,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 16: you know what they do with engineers that turn 40.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 16: You have a scene where the two guys are talking
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 16: and one of them says that. And then the guy
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 16: says that. The engineer says it. And to me, I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 16: was like, that seemed like it happened backwards. And in hindsight,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 16: you were supposed to realize that he already knew that
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 16: was coming. And there are clues throughout the first half
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 16: that are like that. But I just feel like he
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 16: gives up on even that in the second half.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Again, there's all these smart things in there. It's put
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: together really well.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 10: It just doesn't make up for the fact that it's
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 10: not entertaining by any I think it's well-structured.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 8: From the science angle, just not from the storytelling angle.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: I think it's a good thing, though, that all the confusing...
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: It gets really confusing after about an hour, and there's
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: only 15 minutes more, so it could have been a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: lot worse if it's two hours long and the second
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: half is just this huge cluster. The fact that it's
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: only 15 minutes of clusterfuckery is okay.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: It's like it leaves you just a little bit, and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: it's quick and painful, and then it's done. And then
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: you can think about it for a long time.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: And then you can be like, I don't have to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: watch that again, right?
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: What did you do if you want to get it?
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: No, I don't.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: Or you can read the... I kind of wish I did.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 3: Danny's map. the weird thing is did anybody in an
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: attempt to understand this go to the Wikipedia page and
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: just read the entire plot outline because that is awesome
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: after I watched it I went to see this diagram
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: I was like wow because.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 15: It reminded me of Inception after I saw how they
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 15: had that triangle diagram to explain everything I could not
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 15: get that I'm just bad any kind of diagram used
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 15: to explain a movie it's going to confuse me more
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 15: By the.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: Time they get into that looping part, again, it makes sense.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 3: But by the end, I'm like, I don't care.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 16: I will say, this is now a filmmaker that's on
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 16: my radar. I think he shows a couple of things
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 16: that are very promising here. He obviously knows how to
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 16: do a lot with a very small amount of money.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 16: And if we can see a bit more artistic and
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 16: more attention to actual character development in the future, I
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 16: think he could put some good, strong stuff together.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: I think he needs a good co-writer.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 10: That is experienced in piecing together the story, and yeah,
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 10: I think.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: He even wrote the score for this film. I know.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 8: Literally, the IMDb is him, him, him, him.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: I give him credit for putting together... And it looks good.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 8: I mean, aside from the film stock, the audio sounds good.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, to be shot.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 10: For $ 7, 000, everything about it technically is really good.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I give him credit for putting.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 10: Together a good independent film, but yeah, he just kind
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 10: of needs work story-wise.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like it works, especially in the dark scenes.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: You can see it. I'm okay with that. It also feels...
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's supposed to be very real world. And
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: it feels like... You feel like you're sitting in the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: kitchen with those people. Yeah, I love all the... I mean,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: it does feel very real.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: And I think the aesthetic where... He.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: Goes for an over.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 16: Like, he uses a lot of fluorescent lighting that I
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 16: think is... If it weren't for the film stock, in
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 16: some parts it could have just come off as bad lighting,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 16: but he manages to sell it as the aesthetic.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: In a way that I think is like, alright, I
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: like what you did there.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 10: It was what he was going for, but at the
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 10: same time it was probably also there.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 7: It's a little of both.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: It's enough to where you give him the benefit.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Of the doubt.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 9: I have something else nice to say about him.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 14: I thought it was refreshing that this is an actor, director,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 14: writer that didn't write himself a completely gratuitous love scene with.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 3: A sexy young co-star.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 9: So, good for you.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: That's a different thing. It might have been one with
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: one of his past selves at some point.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 11: Like two of them in the same box together or
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 11: something like that.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 3: Well, they did make.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 8: Those jokes about them coming and going out of the.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: view hall area.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 8: Staying in the garage all day. Maybe there was a
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 8: love scene that.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Got cut out.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 17: But I was already thinking that too. That looks kind
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 17: of creepy going into a storage facility every day. I
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 17: had two thoughts about the phone. How big was that phone?
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 8: It was 2004.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 17: I know it was 2004 but that looked like my
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 17: handset from my house.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 11: Not a cell phone. I don't know.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Cell phones have come around and they're giant.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: Because now it's a computer.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 11: But that was a little, it looked like, you know.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: It should have been a flip phone in 2004.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 17: It didn't look like a cell phone. And the other thing,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 17: I think, you know, I started piecing all of this together.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 17: They wanted to, you know, there were some young guys,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 17: engineers working in their garage, working on new technology. They
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 17: were trying to get it out to people. They had
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 17: developed something. They thought it was going to make people
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 17: more efficient.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 17: And improved their lives and greatly improved their lives. They
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 17: started wearing earphones in their ears. They weren't efficient anymore.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 17: Their lives fell apart trying to keep up with the technology.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 17: They looked like douchebags with the earpieces in their ears,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 17: and then their minds started melting. I think they were
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 17: just iPhones. It had nothing to do with time travel.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 17: Their lives were being ruined by the first iPhone.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 16: I do like when the one guy's like, you look
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 16: like a secret servant. That is not acceptable attire.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: To be just walking around with an earpiece.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 17: Because in 2004, people didn't wear those everywhere. Now, it's commonplace, so...
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 17: just had both in and they were going everybody then
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 17: it would seem normal because i do that as much
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 17: as i can but.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 12: I just i think it's interesting like in this point
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: the like movie is so there's no happy ending at
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 12: all because like even in the diagram it's just like
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: now you pretty much just have to live to go
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 12: in the box you know it's like there's no happiness
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 12: it's like you might be able to make money but
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 12: there's no point we're ever going to be able to
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 12: get away from.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 10: It or maybe you go back in time far enough
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 10: that you keep it from ever happening and And then
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 10: you're not even conscious that it happened.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: So happy ending! There's your paradox. How do you go
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  Speaker 3: back in time to stop it from happening, and then
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  Speaker 3: there's nobody to go back in time?
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  Speaker 16: I think I would have liked the film from the
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  Speaker 16: other two guys' perspective, now that I think about it.
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  Speaker 16: .
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  Speaker 8: .
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  Speaker 17: That's the Rosencrantz
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 17: and Guildenstern are dead version.
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  Speaker 8: They're like, well, you think they're screwing us over?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: No, they wouldn't be. That's not a deal.
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  Speaker 9: They've got like.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: Six packs going right now. They're screwing us over.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: I know it.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: He's had his place bug-bombed like eight times.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: I don't know about this guy.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: Oh, well, let's just.
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  Speaker 11: Go to that party.
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  Speaker 3: Party on a Monday. Who throws a party on a Monday?
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  Speaker 11: You mentioned Triangle earlier. Brian, you've seen it. Marlena, you've
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  Speaker 11: seen it, right?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, we did an episode on it.
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  Speaker 3: 2005 was Bermuda Triangle.
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  Speaker 8: It was right around the same, because that's the thing.
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  Speaker 8: It's a really good companion piece to Time Crimes.
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  Speaker 11: To Time Crimes.
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  Speaker 8: Because I saw them within a few months of each.
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  Speaker 3: Other, and I like Triangle a little better.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 8: Again, Time Crimes is fun. Triangle is so.
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  Speaker 10: Giant in the way that it approaches all of the stuff,
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  Speaker 10: and yet keeps it really fun.
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  Speaker 11: It's not perfect. It's got holes. It's a time travel movie. Well,
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 11: not time travel.
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  Speaker 8: It's got a lot of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: It's pretty tightly put together.
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  Speaker 10: Like, by the time you get to the end and
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 10: start piecing stuff together, you're like, oh.
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  Speaker 3: Is it, like, super serious, or.
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  Speaker 9: Is it more fun?
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  Speaker 3: Like, what kind of.
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  Speaker 8: No, it takes itself pretty seriously. But... when you're watching it,
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  Speaker 8: you kind of have fun. It's a different angle.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: It's not a scientific time travel movie. It's more like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 12: a supernatural.
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  Speaker 3: It just happens upon time travel.
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  Speaker 17: Um, did you see, uh, but when he runs around
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  Speaker 17: the corner and he sees the guy behind the house
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  Speaker 17: had fallen.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 17: Did it remind you of that scene in triangle where
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 17: she runs around the corner and she's the kind of
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 17: the big, Oh, this really is happening reveal. Because, like,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 17: you see him, and I don't know if it's, like,
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 17: trash bags in the back or something. Because it's dark.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 17: But I was like, is that, and that, and that.
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  Speaker 8: It didn't remind me of that, but I like that
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  Speaker 8: scene better, if it helps.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah. If I saw that, I was like, is that
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  Speaker 11: where we're going with this?
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  Speaker 17: I got this, like, triangle moment of, if that's where
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 17: we're going, this is going to be really good.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: And it didn't. I can only find this movie on.
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  Speaker 13: Really?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: All I'm finding is Bermuda Triangle. I'll find it. You're
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: just typing in a shape.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 9: Spell the word.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: Do you know the director's name or anybody who's in it?
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: Holy shit.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 11: We did a whole episode on it.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a whole episode. I'll find it and send
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: it to you.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 11: How's that sound?
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: It has.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 12: Oh, God.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I know some of the people from other stuff.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: All this is people go out on a cruise ship
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: and get caught in a Bermuda Triangle. Oh, is it
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: 2009 Melissa George Liam Hill?
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 20: Yes.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: That's her.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 11: Yep. Does it call it Bermuda Triangle?
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: No, it's just trying. It's not on Insta. Oh, it's not?
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 11: It was at one point.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 8: It's worth finding.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 17: Yeah, it's worth waiting a couple of days for to
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 17: get the disc.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 11: At least you.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 16: Can just drive to Pittsburgh to see it, I guess.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the other option.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 8: We'd just like to send you on a road trip.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: Lights to drive.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 9: That's what I was born to do. It's my frustrated destiny.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 11: You should get a truck and just make money while
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 11: you're at it.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: It.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 9: No, that's the thing. No, I really am supposed to
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 9: be a long haul truck driver.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 8: All my spouse has made to that.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 9: Unfortunately, I have parents that worry.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 17: But you'll have a cool truck and you can put
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 17: a rubber duck on the front of it and it'll.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 9: Be never mind.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 16: You get a flatbed and you are the food truck
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 16: of movie theaters. Like, you just drive around, and then
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 16: it's a movie theater, wherever you park for that night.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good. I might want to get in on this, actually.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: I might want to get in on this, actually. I
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: can go into the future and get money.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: Why did they dismiss the lottery idea so quickly?
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 11: Because they can only do it once, he said.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: Do it once 100 million.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 17: You're fine it's like that only lasts for a few
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 17: months like and then you can invest.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 8: It yeah you could take that money and do a.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 3: Lot more stocks than they were doing already it's interesting Hey, guys,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 3: I know what you should do.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 8: Go get a sports almanac.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: Go back and down.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: On a horse.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: And then start a whole casino.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 10: Anyway, there was a lot of moments I was like,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: this needs Doc Brown for God's sake.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 14: I know.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 11: If he could have explained some of this.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: Well, he would have gotten out the chalkboard. And he
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: would have shown us the parallel timeline we'd started.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: I just want a DeLorean.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: That's all there is to it.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 11: Oh, the box is not as cool as a DeLorean.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: That's hard science.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 8: I don't care what you're talking about.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 17: I mean, if you're going to spend six hours in
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 17: a box or six hours in a DeLorean, I'll take
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 17: the DeLorean.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: 88 miles an hour, that's all I got to say.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Do we need to cover other things on this?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 10: Because by the end, I realized watching it, it may
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 10: have even been the first time it occurred to me.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: By the time I got to the end, I'm like,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 10: I kind of need to use their own analogy against
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 10: their movie. When they go into the whole story about
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 10: how the US spends millions of dollars to make this
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 10: pen that writes in zero gravity, and Russia uses a pencil.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: I was like, you've used so much time and effort.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 10: To make this perfectly pieced together scientific explanation of everything.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: And the same weekend, I watched a dumb werewolf movie.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 8: And you know what?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed that one.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 10: So the pencil in the eye that is that werewolf
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 10: movie that's very blunt and stupid, was way more entertaining
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 10: and they did it really quick and really simple and,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 10: I don't know, they overcomplicated their own movie and they
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 10: handled things like the U.S.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: Government spends money.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 12: You know, I actually had one of those zero gravity
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 12: space pins. My grandma ordered it for me when I
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 12: was little and it wrote for like a day and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 12: then it just didn't work.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 3: It's true. It's crazy.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 8: You can write under water with it though.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're going to do with the paper. Whatever. Yeah.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: it still works.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 17: Oh, speaking of time travel movies, did anybody see, I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 17: guess you'd call it time travel, Love?
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, you know, I thought of you because you have
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: a thing about movies about loneliness.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 7: Loneliness.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: And I thought that was about it, so how is it?
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 17: I thought, I was like, this is going to be
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 17: like Moon, but even better. I was like, this is
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 17: going to be it, and it's crap.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, really?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Is this the movie.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 11: That came out spelled L-O-V-E?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 14: L-O-V-E.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 9: Oh, okay.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 17: He's an astronaut that's on a space station, and it
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 17: When did this come out?
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 11: Like in the last... Two years ago. Yeah, two years ago.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 17: I thought it was by Angles and Airways produced it.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 17: It's like their video. It's like not even a movie.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 17: It's almost more like a music video with some movies
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 17: on it.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: I should just take it off my instinct, too. I mean,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 3: is it worth checking out? Watch Moon again? I still
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: want to see Castaway on the Moon.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 17: No, definitely watch that one first. That's one of my
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 17: favorite movies I saw last year.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 11: It's not silly. It deals with a lot of.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 17: This was probably my favorite movie that I saw last year.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 11: It's a lot of.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 11: About loneliness, about.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 11: It deals with a lot of humor and sadness at
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 11: the same time. It's much better. It earns.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 17: Everything that Cast Away never earned, it earns in that movie.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: So it's good. Yeah.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: It's good.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 11: Cast Away on the Moon, Korean film.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Watch that one. Yeah, the trailer also didn't have subtitles,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: so I had no idea what they were saying. I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: just saw, like, Korean people, like, yelling at each other
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: and then laughing and then splashing in the water.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 11: Well, yeah, watch the subtitles.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: Or watch it with subtitles.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: Obviously.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: Have we looped around on this thing enough? Yeah.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 13: I think, again, I guess I was disappointed because so
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 13: many people had told me how great this was that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 13: I went in really expecting to like it, and I have.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: So many issues with it that, yeah.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 16: I understand why it has a cult following, but it's
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 16: not my cult.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 9: Not my cult.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: I respect it, but I didn't like it.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 10: Well, we do want to thank Chris for sitting in
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 10: with us again this week.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 9: Thanks, guys.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: Go ahead and plug your stuff.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 8: Get it out there.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 14: Sure.
• 1:24:00
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• 1:24:03
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• 1:24:07
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• 1:24:12
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• 1:24:13
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• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: No problem.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 10: Movie geeks got to stick together, so we'll see.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: Whatever we can do together, I'm all for it. Otherwise,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: that about does it. We will return next week, same
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  Speaker 21: Can only light the way to lead you from the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 21: garden of the dark. Stay out of shadows now.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: Looks like the change is on. Tomorrow's never gone. Today
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: just never comes.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: You're running, jumping.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: Into the hurricanes.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 21: It's only there to exorcise your name.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: Looking at the world when you open up your eyes.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: You've got to.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: See promises they've made. They're bloody lies and broken dreams.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: Your silence screams.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 7: Can choose just who you are someone that you've never
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 7: seen somewhere you've never been you're living in What are
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: you going to do when every part of you just
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 7: needs to catch that wind?
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 21: And the fire of burning yesterdays cannot last. Nobody cares
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 21: just where you go. Take it where.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 7: You've never been. Make it for somewhere.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: You don't know.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 8: Living in a time machine.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: Why do you stay who you are?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 9: Be what you've never been.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: Someone you'll never see.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 17: I think I would keep a copy of this, but
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 17: I'm never going to look at it again.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I'm giving it to my friend.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: I'm never going to.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 10: I'm going to go.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 14: Actually, can I have the person that I watched it
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 14: with today eat this?
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: By the end, I'd... gone through it enough.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 8: I was like, I get it.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 17: If I would have seen this before I watched it,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 17: I would have said, yeah, fuck that.
• 1:28:50
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• 1:29:02
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