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The Week That Was - 9th December 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: I think it is time for the week that was
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  Speaker 1: joining us in the studio this morning. We've got the
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  Speaker 1: Opposition leader, sorry, the Deputy Opposition leader, Jared Mainly, good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you. I apologize, Lea. We've got nine News
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  Speaker 1: Darwin's Kathleen Gazola, good morning to you. And we have
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  Speaker 1: got the Minister for Environment and various other things Lauren Moss.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning to you morning listeners.
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  Speaker 3: Great to have you all in the studio.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Unfortunately a pretty horrible night, quite a bit of
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  Speaker 1: police news. I'll just touch on to start off with
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  Speaker 1: this morning a man stabbed in the CBD. We know
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  Speaker 1: that there has been a man stabbed in the chest
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  Speaker 1: with a broken bottle in the city.
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  Speaker 3: Overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Security staff at Shenanigan's on Mitchell Street flagged down the police,
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  Speaker 1: who gave the man first aid at about eleven pm.
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  Speaker 1: He had to be taken to Royal Darwin Hospital in
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  Speaker 1: a critical condition. Police later discovered that the alleged attack
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  Speaker 1: occurred outside the A and Z Bank on Smith Street
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  Speaker 1: and arrested a man nearby, so no doubt we'll hear
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  Speaker 1: some detail on that throughout the morning. Also though overnight,
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately a police officer assaulted in what air while responding
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  Speaker 1: to reports that someone had been injured with an axe.
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  Speaker 3: Now upon arriving at the scene. On Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: A group of people allegedly through rocks at the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory Police, leaving a female officer with a cut to
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  Speaker 1: her forehead. Police withdrew and later returned with night patrol
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  Speaker 1: officers as I understand it, and found a man with.
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  Speaker 3: A cut to his lower leg.
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  Speaker 1: Both the man and the officer were taken to the
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  Speaker 1: local clinic. Pretty terrifying stuff, you would have to say
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  Speaker 1: for the local police out there to be in a
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  Speaker 1: situation like that, and it does, you know, to have
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  Speaker 1: a group of people and to be in that situation,
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  Speaker 1: I would think is horrible and another example of you know,
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  Speaker 1: police having to face some pretty difficult conditions out there
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  Speaker 1: on the road.
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  Speaker 4: Lois is just another example of our crimes out of
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  Speaker 4: control right across the Northern Churitory. And you gave two
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  Speaker 4: examples of one of what I own wanted done, but
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  Speaker 4: unfortunes is having right across the chair. You can be
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  Speaker 4: in Catherine and Tenant Creek or Alice Springs or oven
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  Speaker 4: Borrel lul that doesn't really matter. Crime just seems to
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  Speaker 4: be out of control in this government. We've just got
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  Speaker 4: to set and forget policy, and they've seem to do
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  Speaker 4: nothing about it. I know they're trying something new in
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  Speaker 4: our of Springs at the moment, and I really hope
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  Speaker 4: that works, but you know, it's a little bit too late,
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  Speaker 4: because unfortunately crime is through the roof and it affects
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  Speaker 4: all territories. Businesses, tourists coming here, people trying to get
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  Speaker 4: their families to stay here, and the business owners who
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  Speaker 4: go to work and find the shop broken into and
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  Speaker 4: happens in the rural area and then you've got to
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  Speaker 4: clean up. It's just really bad for the territory full stop.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that situation though you've got a police officer
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  Speaker 1: who's you know, who's allegedly assaulted, like that's pretty frightening.
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  Speaker 1: It does go to show you the dangers that our
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  Speaker 1: police force are put into each and every day when
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  Speaker 1: they go to work. And I think that that's a
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  Speaker 1: point which is really well worth making, is that you know,
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  Speaker 1: our police do an incredibly tough job, and it does
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  Speaker 1: demonstrate just how tough it can be, particularly in some
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  Speaker 1: of our more remote communities.
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  Speaker 5: They do cati, they do an incredible job, and you
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  Speaker 5: know that particular example you've given it just absolutely horrific.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, we obviously want to make sure that
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  Speaker 5: anybody who is assaulting police or anyone else for that matter,
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  Speaker 5: does you know, see the full consequences that they should have,
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  Speaker 5: and you know, just full respect to our police who
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  Speaker 5: go into dangerous situations where other people need their support
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  Speaker 5: and protection.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I think the biggest thing for police is
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  Speaker 6: the actual assaults specifically on them, that they're being targeted.
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  Speaker 6: In that instance, they were obviously pelted with rocks, and
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  Speaker 6: it goes to the survey that we've talked along long
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  Speaker 6: about from the Police Association in terms of police assaults.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we've obviously seen the attack ads put out
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  Speaker 6: about their pay negotiations on television and newspapers and potentially
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  Speaker 6: you know, Paul McHugh says there was a seventy assault
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  Speaker 6: since negotiations had begun in February over that EBA. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: that's obviously one extra overnight and however many since we've
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  Speaker 6: spoken to him as well. But that's a big frustration
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  Speaker 6: for police that they're constantly being targeted and you know,
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  Speaker 6: they're out there helping the community. But they have to
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  Speaker 6: face this not just a dangerous job in the sense
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  Speaker 6: that they're out doing it and they can be hit
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  Speaker 6: from all angles, but actually being targeted by the people
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  Speaker 6: that they're helping.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that we've seen really over the last
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  Speaker 1: week or two just how impactful the work that the
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  Speaker 1: police can, you know, do can be. In the likes
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  Speaker 1: of Alice Springs, where we saw the surge of police
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  Speaker 1: officers into Alice Springs, the work that then they've been
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  Speaker 1: able to complete shows you how valuable you know, they
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  Speaker 1: are within any community, whether you're talking remote or whether
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  Speaker 1: you're talking urban when it comes to combating the issues
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  Speaker 1: that we see around the place with crime, and goodness knows,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a lot of those issues. I mean, just
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  Speaker 1: to go back to some further police news, we know
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  Speaker 1: that a man has attempted to sexually assault a child
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  Speaker 1: during broad daylight in Palmerston. That was earlier in the week,
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  Speaker 1: so that was in driver Now Territory. Police calling for
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  Speaker 1: community help to locate the man and this happened, as
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  Speaker 1: I understand, at two point thirty on Wednesday, so the
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  Speaker 1: day before yesterday we learned about this yesterday though, about
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  Speaker 1: eleven o'clock from the Northern Territory Police after not sort
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  Speaker 1: of knowing exactly what had gone on. We'd been told
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  Speaker 1: that there was an operation in Palmerston, but didn't have
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  Speaker 1: a huge amount of details.
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  Speaker 3: So it is well.
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  Speaker 1: It is understood that the child involved is aged between
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  Speaker 1: six and ten years old. Police say the man entered
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  Speaker 1: the property before he was disturbed by the occupants and
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  Speaker 1: fled on foot naked.
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  Speaker 3: It's really mortifying and quite fine.
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  Speaker 4: SA similar to that event that happened in Catherine where
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  Speaker 4: someone broke into someone's house and he eventually shot by
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  Speaker 4: the owner of the house. You know how tragic is
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  Speaker 4: that where someone's actually thrown into the house and then
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  Speaker 4: you know someone's lost their life. It just goes to
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  Speaker 4: show that it's just a terrible feeling right across the
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  Speaker 4: cheritchy And I know that the Police Association are out
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  Speaker 4: calling for a review, and I know the SEAL PFRC
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  Speaker 4: labor government five times for a review into the police
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  Speaker 4: because they do a great job the frontline workers, but
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  Speaker 4: it seems to be that they're not backed up by
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  Speaker 4: the by the government. And Paul mcqu'es come out and
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  Speaker 4: said morale's low resources. Alow we know that there's thirty
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  Speaker 4: five less police officers this year than there were last year,
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  Speaker 4: so it really goes to show that they're doing a
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  Speaker 4: great job, but they just seem to be having no
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  Speaker 4: support by the government.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously not your portfolio.
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  Speaker 1: But where are we at with the negotiations in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the pay for our Northern Territory police? I mean
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  Speaker 1: I know that and we'll get into it a bit later.
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  Speaker 1: There has obviously been a pay negotiation with the Northern
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  Speaker 1: Territory teachers, but in terms of the police, where are
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  Speaker 1: things ash.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they are ongoing and I don't have the most
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  Speaker 5: up to date information for you, Katie on where that
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  Speaker 5: EBA is at. But obviously there's a number of different
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  Speaker 5: processes going not only with teachers and police, but others
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  Speaker 5: as well, and you know where we will continue to
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  Speaker 5: those negotiations.
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  Speaker 2: But there's also other bodies of work going on.
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  Speaker 5: Obviously there was the well being peace that has you know,
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  Speaker 5: where those recommendations are being implemented and are no kates
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  Speaker 5: out across the Northern Territory meeting with local police but
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  Speaker 5: not only them making sure you know, Eva and I
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  Speaker 5: were out at the bus interchange at Casurina a few
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  Speaker 5: weeks ago, talking to the transit safety offices, because we
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  Speaker 5: have to make sure that all of these different you know,
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  Speaker 5: whether it's patrollers or people who are charged with keeping
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  Speaker 5: different elements of our community safe, are actually working together.
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  Speaker 5: So for example, where Transit Security and Casarina might be
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  Speaker 5: responsible for the interchange, what happens when it spills across
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  Speaker 5: the road and you know it's no longer within their powers.
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  Speaker 5: We have to get better at coordinating some of that
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  Speaker 5: and making sure that we're taking the pressure off police
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  Speaker 5: by addressing some of these issues Earlier, was.
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  Speaker 1: There actually going to be a review though, in terms
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  Speaker 1: of the working group that the government had promised on
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  Speaker 1: reviewing the sentencing options for offenders who actually assault police.
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  Speaker 1: So just back on that assault side of things, an
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  Speaker 1: assaulting police.
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  Speaker 3: Where are things at with that?
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  Speaker 1: I know that that is something there the Association had
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  Speaker 1: raised with us previously on the show, so I understand.
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  Speaker 5: So again i'm you know, it's not my portfolio. I
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  Speaker 5: don't have the most up to date on that. But
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  Speaker 5: but again, there's been obviously progression around spitting on frontline workers.
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  Speaker 5: There's been progression just in this last settings around disarming
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  Speaker 5: police and attempts to disarm police for example. So you know,
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  Speaker 5: elements of that work are absolutely progressing through the Parliament
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  Speaker 5: and I'm yeah happy to get an update from Minister
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  Speaker 5: Warden on those suther issues.
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen, I know that none news obviously covered yesterday the
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  Speaker 1: situation out in Palmerston. Do we know that offender, as
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  Speaker 1: we understand, is still at large at this point, isn't he?
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  Speaker 3: From my understanding?
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  Speaker 7: That's right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So obviously police put out a notification on social
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  Speaker 6: media on Wednesday nights that an operation was ongoing, and
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  Speaker 6: they were keeping their cards very close to their chest
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  Speaker 6: as to what was actually happening, and we weren't able
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  Speaker 6: to get much information until they held that press conference
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  Speaker 6: the next more wanting to tell us of that horrific incident.
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  Speaker 6: And yes, they were obviously calling for anyone who might
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  Speaker 6: have seen suspicious behavior. I am naked man walking around,
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  Speaker 6: but what a terrifying experience for those parents to see them.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, in a perfect world, we would love to
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  Speaker 6: see no crime, right We've heard that so often from
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  Speaker 6: the government that we're never going to see no crime,
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  Speaker 6: and instances like that is just horrific and it gives
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  Speaker 6: everyone chills. But in terms of the anti social behavior
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  Speaker 6: we've been called, I mean, you and I had spoken
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  Speaker 6: to politicians and the police and all that kind of
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  Speaker 6: thing as to why there wasn't a surge into Alice
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  Speaker 6: springs of those officers a long long time beforehand. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: the commissioner said to our reporter earlier this week that
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  Speaker 6: it was because they had people off with COVID and
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  Speaker 6: dealing with a lot of domestic violence, isn't it. So
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  Speaker 6: they had had to deal with rostering and that kind
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  Speaker 6: of thing. But at the end of the day, it's
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  Speaker 6: still what happens when those officers go back to their
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  Speaker 6: original roles where they are from.
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  Speaker 7: You know what's going to happen after that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, and that's a very good question.
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  Speaker 1: We are due to catch up with the Northern Territory
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  Speaker 1: Police Commissioner this morning after ten o'clock, so I'm keen
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  Speaker 1: to actually ask that question and find out what the
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  Speaker 1: situation is going to be in terms of moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: We'll take a very short break.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot to cover off on this morning, and
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  Speaker 1: we did learn yesterday the are the full Council of
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  Speaker 1: the Northern Land Councilors agreed on updated access arrangements for
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  Speaker 1: recreational fishes, So we'll talk further about that in a
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  Speaker 1: couple of moments. Time you are listening to Mix one
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  Speaker 1: oh four nine's three sixty eight is the week that was?
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  Speaker 1: You are listening to the week that was? And if
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  Speaker 1: you've just joined us in the studio this morning, is
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Moss, Kathleen Gazola and Jared Mayley, and we know that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: yesterday we learned the Full Council of the Northern Land
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  Speaker 1: Council agreed to updated access arrangements for recreational fishes wanting
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  Speaker 1: to access waters overlying our Aboriginal land from the first
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  Speaker 1: of January next year. Now, this has certainly been an
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  Speaker 1: issue which people are being quite worried about for a
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  Speaker 1: while now, and the current arrange cease on the thirty
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  Speaker 1: first of December this year and will be replaced by
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  Speaker 1: a permit system. The permit system is going to be
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  Speaker 1: based on location, date and time and will initially be
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  Speaker 1: free of charge. It will be available on the NLC website,
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  Speaker 1: which is going to be updated to reflect these arrangements
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  Speaker 1: before the end.
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  Speaker 3: Of each year.
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  Speaker 1: Now I know that the Chairman of the Northern Land
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  Speaker 1: Council doctor Samuel Bush Blanasi has said that the updated
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  Speaker 1: arrangements will balance the rights of traditional owners and the
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  Speaker 1: interests of recreational fishes. He said, for the last two years,
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  Speaker 1: the nlc's provided recreational fishes with a simple registration system
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  Speaker 1: giving recreational fishing access free of charge to the majority
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  Speaker 1: of Aboriginal Sea country. There have been thousands of registrations
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  Speaker 1: during that time. Now we know that permit free fishing
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  Speaker 1: is going to continue for popular fishing areas around Darwin
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  Speaker 1: and Bino Harbors. Long term permit free access arrangements will
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  Speaker 1: continue to apply in the Daily River, nulandboy Port Keats
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  Speaker 1: and MacArthur River regions based on existing arrangements between the
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  Speaker 1: Northern Territory Government and the NLC and traditional owners. Parts
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  Speaker 1: of the Finnish River and many mini areas will remain
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  Speaker 1: closed to recreational fishes. So I know that this is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the first time that a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are probably hearing this if they didn't catch it yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: and they're going to be wondering exactly what this permit
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  Speaker 1: system means for them. Kathleen, based on the info that
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  Speaker 1: you've got at this point in time, is it luck?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't even appear to be up on
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  Speaker 1: the website yet. Again, we're going to talk to the
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  Speaker 1: NLC after ten o'clock this morning, so we'll hopefully get
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  Speaker 1: a bit further detail. But how different is this from
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  Speaker 1: the way in which things have been operating From your perspective.
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  Speaker 6: I suppose, as you've read out, that there has been
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  Speaker 6: that registration system in place. So I suppose that they'll
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  Speaker 6: essentially update what is on the website to become what
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  Speaker 6: is classed as a permit. So you'd imagine it'd be
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  Speaker 6: much the same process that people are having to follow. Now,
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  Speaker 6: perhaps they need to be a bit more diligent with
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  Speaker 6: it being a permit rather than a registration, given that
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  Speaker 6: you'd imagine permits are it says dependent on place, date, time,
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  Speaker 6: that kind of thing, rather than a registration overall.
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  Speaker 7: As to whether it's a singular fishing situation or.
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  Speaker 6: Not, the fact that it says initially free of charge
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  Speaker 6: is obviously the operative word there As to you'd wonder
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  Speaker 6: that soon down the line, whenever the NLC and the
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  Speaker 6: Full Council decides traditional owners decide that there may be
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  Speaker 6: actual costs come into play. For specific areas, but obviously
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  Speaker 6: at the moment they do say that it is free
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  Speaker 6: of charge. Just hearing Dave Shiribolo from AFANT on another
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  Speaker 6: radio station briefly this morning before we came on here
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  Speaker 6: that the recreational fishes would definitely have concerns as to
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  Speaker 6: some areas that are iconic I for example, the Daily River,
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  Speaker 6: there are still native title applications lodgings for you know
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  Speaker 6: that area in particular in some other areas that are
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  Speaker 6: very popular with fishes, that it still casts out over
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  Speaker 6: the future of being able to access certain areas there,
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  Speaker 6: given that they are still very upset about parts of
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  Speaker 6: the Finnis and the Mini Minue being blocked off.
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  Speaker 7: So, I mean, it.
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  Speaker 6: Has been fourteen years since that High Court decision, and
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  Speaker 6: of course this is the traditional owner's rights to be
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  Speaker 6: able to put in what they lack because it is
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  Speaker 6: their land and their waters. But I mean, it just
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  Speaker 6: goes to show that fourteen long years of successive discussions
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  Speaker 6: between government and the NLC, governments on both sides just
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  Speaker 6: not being able to secure certain arrangements for particular areas
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  Speaker 6: how they would like it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it just seems like it's been such like
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  Speaker 1: you've said, there is such a long time and to
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  Speaker 1: still be at this point where really it's an agreement
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  Speaker 1: now for the next two years if I've read that correctly,
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  Speaker 1: it's dragging on, and you know, you just kind of wonder.
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  Speaker 4: Why it needs to be some certainty in rating two
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  Speaker 4: reck fishes, and I know that just recently that Shady
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  Speaker 4: Camp itself has been a big thing where the boat
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  Speaker 4: ramps with two hundred and thirty seven met within the
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  Speaker 4: Aboriginal land and ultimately, I think we just need some
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  Speaker 4: clarity on what's the ax is going to happen.
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  Speaker 3: What's it going to look like.
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  Speaker 4: And remember the Blue Mud Bays, in which we fully respect,
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  Speaker 4: it goes to the low watermark, So there's going to
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  Speaker 4: be some explaining it where it is a low watermark
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  Speaker 4: across the rivers, Where can people put it in and
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  Speaker 4: go along, how will it go, and how it will
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  Speaker 4: be enforced. I'm just really confused because ultimately, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think there's too many red fishers out there who really
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  Speaker 4: want to go and break the law, but they need
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  Speaker 4: to understand fact what the law is so they can
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  Speaker 4: comply with it. And you know, my understanding is the
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  Speaker 4: Blue Mud Bay low watermark. And I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not really sure, but I think that's what it says.
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  Speaker 4: So how do you define a low watermark on any
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  Speaker 4: particular beach or river or you know, Shoal Bay or
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  Speaker 4: shady camp sy. It just needs to be some clarity
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  Speaker 4: and I just hope that the Labor Government are continue
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  Speaker 4: togotiate and act in the best interest of all territories,
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  Speaker 4: rec fishers, commercial fish shows, because I know there was
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  Speaker 4: some confusion about the amendment to the Fishing Act where
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  Speaker 4: our fan and also the commercial fishers, so they weren't
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  Speaker 4: even spoken to a consultant about those changes. So it
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  Speaker 4: just goes to show that the Labor government a bit
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  Speaker 4: of his history of not talking, not involving major stakeholders.
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  Speaker 4: And I just think that this is really concerning because
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  Speaker 4: really fishing in Northern Charity is a big thing. I
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  Speaker 4: go fishing, lots of my friends go fishing, and we
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  Speaker 4: just need some certain details.
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  Speaker 3: It's a way of life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, plenty of people go fishing up Lauren. Where
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: are things out in terms of the negotiation, So I
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: know it's not your portfolio, but presumably this is something
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: that the Cabinet's spoken pretty extensively about because it has
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: such a huge.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: Impactsolutely and Minister Ubo as Aboriginal Affairs and Minister Kirbys
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: Recreational Fishing will continue to work with the NLC around
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: some of those outstanding issues.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: You know, Kathleen's talked.
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: About the permits and what happens after that initial period,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: so it's definitely at the top of their list to
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: be working together around what that means for fishows and
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: providing certainty. I understand from AFAN as well, just reading
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: their updates overnight that they are also being brief today
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: by the NLC, So you know, I'm sure that as
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: you know they come together with the NLC, we will
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: obviously continue to talk to the NLC about what that
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: means going forward, making sure that you know, you're protecting
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: those rights of the traditional owners but also providing some
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: certainty for fishers. I mean, I'm not a particularly good fisherwoman.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: As Kathleen knows.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: You've seen me in action, very very bad, but you
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: know it's so important up here, and so it is
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: really incredibly important that that certaintie is what about.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: For the commercial fisher fishes?
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Do we have much of an update of how any
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: of this is impacting them. Kathleen, I don't know whether
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: you've got much insight into that side of things.
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: I don't have a huge amount, But obviously in the
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: media release that the NLC put out yesterday, they have
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: a statement from the CEO saying commercial operators have been
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: advised at Section nineteen agreements under the Land Rights Acts
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: will be required to operate on waters overlaying aboriginal land
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: from January one. The NLC will continue to work in
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: good faith with traditional owners and all other stake holders.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: So obviously commercial raiders will have an extra requirement that
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: they will need to go through to be able to
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: continue their operations in specific areas that are considered aboriginal water.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right again, I guess the big thing is is
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: that it's for the next two years, and realistically that
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: work needs to happen to make sure that there is
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: that long term certainty.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: It has dragged on for fourteen years, and obviously you
• 18:23
  Speaker 6: mentioned that the current arrangement cease at the end of
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: this year. That's from two years ago, just prior to
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: the election. Michael Gunner and doctor Sammy bush Blanasi had
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: that shaking hands on the Victoria River. I think we
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: went out to as to the implementation plan, and even
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago, the NLC put out a
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: statement saying that the government had been dragging its feet
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: on certain key milestones that hadn't been met.
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: Over those two years.
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: That who knows, maybe there could have been a long
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: term arrangement met if those milestones had been reached. But
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: of course we're not part of those discussions, and they'll
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: see what happens behind closed doors.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And look, I think the positive thing here is that
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: the you know, with the NLC and with the traditional
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: line is obviously they you know, seem as though they're
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: acting in good faith for all of the territory for
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: the next two years.
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: They recognize fishing is important in the northern territory that
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: you know, everyone wants to access the waters and to
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: be able to continue doing a great pastime that we
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: love because they love the territory as much as we do.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: But it just comes as a recognize certainty and the access.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: You know, the charity of government got to have the
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: territorians back in relation to try and negotiate. What they
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: can talk about is access and certainty because if it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: going to be a permit's going to cost and whatever
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: if the good, bad or the ugly, but it needs
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: to be negotiated and it needs to know and ultimately
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: it's it's right across the territory. Fishing is a massive industry,
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: and I was speaking to tour operators who who they
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: take bookings like two years in advance because people travel
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: and it's always uncertainly. It just makes it very difficult
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: for them. You do business and they employ all sorts
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: of people, and we all know how expensive fishing is,
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: like you know, get my boat up and running and
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: go out and buying fishing. We was like twenty five
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: dollars now, so.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: This is a great result. I think this is a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: really good result.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: And you know, with a new permit system in place,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: by the end of the year, you know, it's only
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: what sixteen days till Christmas, so there's.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Not it's not that much of the year left.
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: So I think this, you know, there'll be lots more
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: information to come, but I think it's a good result.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Look, one of the other issues that has certainly become
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: a little bit clearer throughout the week, or maybe a
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: bit messier, I think were the words of greg Island
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: from the Chamber of Commerce. Is the Ship Left now
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a t A key territory infrastructure project is in doubt
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: after the collapse of a major infrastructure construction company, Western
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Australia builder Cloth has been placed into voluntary administration. We
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: know that Deloitte has been appointed administrator and is managing
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Cloff's affairs. Cloff was indeed a joint venture partner with
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: BMD in building the Ship Left, and the territory government
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: said that it's monitoring the corporate collapse. The Darwin Ship
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Left is a cornerstone marine infrastructure investment, is what our
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: government spokesperson has said, and we did.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Indeed catch up with the Treasurer yesterday.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Evil Uler at pains to say that, yes, it was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: still going ahead despite what's going on with Cloth.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: But I think at.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The very best you would expect that there's probably going
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: to be further delays when it comes to the Ship Left.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: And you know, my concern about that is it's going
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: to be delayed, and I certainly completely agree.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: But what about the cost.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: You know, when our first initially come out, because I
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: think this is a cop idea years ago and it
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: was one hundred million now it's gone to just over
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: five hundred million, and it is more delays. And look
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: at the overpassed barn for example, started at sixty it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: gone to one hundred and twenty seven. Now understanding it's
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: one hundred and forty five, So you know that's the
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: doubling off these estimate. So if this shiplift is in
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: the same boat and we're going to talk about spending
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: a billion dollars, is that value for money? How long
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: is it going to take? What return is the government
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: going to get on at, what return is business is
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: going to get on it. There's all sorts of questions
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: that have been raised in relations is notwithstanding the question
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: about the government actually doing their due diligence to rewarding
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: that tender to a company.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: That billion dollar figure did is that one you just
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: pot maybe because I'll tell you how I got it,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: because the doubled in price.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: So that's say to.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Double because on a second billion dollar price.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Just going on on the labor government history from the boot.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Ultimately, there has definitely been a increase in the cost
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: to the ship left. We know that it has blown out.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: I think it's to five hundred and fifty. It was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: four hundred, but I think in the very.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Early days it was much less than that undred.
• 22:40
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it was one hundred, it was
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: how much I think the non territory government was because
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: there was going to be Commonwealth contribution, which there still is.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: But yes, I think without a doubt there's going to
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: be more delays on top of it.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: And I guess then.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: The big question is an idea again I ass is
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: of the Ministry yesterday. The big question is in terms
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of the clientele, all the customers that are going to
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: then be accessing that ship lift, those delays you would
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: suspect causing uncertainty for them, as we've just spoken about.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You know, even when you're talking around fishing permits and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: other things. Business needs certainty, particularly if you're looking at
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: using the ship lift here in the territory, and we've
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: got the likes of Cans that are bringing one online
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: as well. You don't really want to be competing with
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: somewhere else, particularly if they end up getting theirs built quicker.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: But so it's that certainty. But then the other part
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of it is is the project still viable for us?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I wake up, Kathleen, I mean, is it still commercially viable.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: If that cost continues to go up, and if we
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: do wind up in a situation where there are further delays,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: you would think that commercially that cost could potentially blow
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: out further. I don't know that it's going to blow
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: out to the one billion dollars that.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: I'm going.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But you know, we do have to question whether it's
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: still economically viable and commercially viable.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I mean it's meant to be a major
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: cornerstone for diversifying our economy and heading towards the government's
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: big goal of is it thirty billion by forty you know.
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: Seven years away.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: You know, you've had the minister on and she is
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: also the Treasurer, so I know that these things are
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: very much front of mine for her, and I'm sure
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: that she would have you know, told you at the time,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: of course due diligence was done.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: There are a lot of pressures on construction companies at
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the moment. I think we all are aware of that.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: We know that, but one hundred percent committed to it,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: and we'll need to work with joint venture partners about
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: what the next is.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: The government sort of one hundred percent committed to it though,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: no matter what the cost.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: I guess That's what I'm getting at.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You know, are we going to build it no matter
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: how badly it blows out? Are we so deep in
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: here that we're like, we're going forward no matter what.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: I really hope they build it and they will come
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: that night phrase, you know, I mean, Pass Paley are
• 24:58
  Speaker 6: locked in. I believe as the opera isn't. At least
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: it is a joint venture that BMD is a part of.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Obviously they did I think Tiger Brennan anyway regardless, So
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: I mean there are still players involved here.
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: But yeah, there is a lot of questions is.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: It value for money from nor Tutorian, because like, if
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: you want to spend a billion dollars or five hundred
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: million dollars, half a billion dollars, you know, imagine that
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: would be what to do to the health system, or
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the police, or the nurses.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Or you know, in education.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of money there that could go into
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: day to days people lives, because people right now are
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: going to the health system and they're going to you know,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: having been putting off surgery, the nurses. Imagine spending I'll
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: go back to half a million, half a billion dollars
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: if you like, you know, that sort of money into
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: the territory where it could be spent on helping territory
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: in his lives day to day.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I guess the.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Argument is, though, that you know that you're talking about
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: something that's going to drive the economy or something that's
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: going to kick the economy off, whereas you know, the
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: wages bill for our public service is a very different thing.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: It's something that is you know, an ongoing cost for
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: us rather than hopefully something that's going to get the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: economy moving. But I do take on board the point
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: that you're making that you know, you want to make
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: sure that money is invested wisely and that it is
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: to the benefit of the Northern Territory.
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: But it's not just about the functionality of that project itself.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: It's about the industry that can imagine develop around that
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: as well, and what's the economic opportunity there. So, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: I think we have to also in this conversation remember
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: that we're not just talking about a single project. We're
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: talking about everything that sits around that project, then everything
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: else that we can do here in the territory, Because
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: that is an economic enabler and it allows some other
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: businesses to develop here. So you know, we are committed
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: to it. As I said, you know the Treasurer that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: very much front of mine for her. She's also the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Minister for Education, so she's a also.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: We will talk about education in just a moment.
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: I mean, there is massive pressure on the government to
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: get this done and get it unreasonably quickly. I mean,
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: you know, we hear so often about the Northern Territory
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: needing to grow our economy, and infrastructure is a big
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: part of that. You know, roads and you know, these
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: kinds of projects itself lack. We need our own revenue
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: making streams otherwise rather than relying on GST.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: It's as simple as that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: I think our infrastructure is meant to be one hundred
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: and fifty years behind the rest of the country or
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: the East Coast of Australia. So these kinds of projects
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: are important. So it's imperative on the government to get
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: this moving and not to delay it for another six years.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: I think your colp definitely support it. But just like
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: you said, Katie, what costs you know, is it any cost,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: how much it goes up for is it value for money.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: We just don't know that and we need to keep
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: a close eye on it as this project moves forward.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Well, take a very short break.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix ONEOW four nine's three sixty.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: It is the week that was what There has been
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a lot of discussion around education this week. Well, two reviews,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: one review into Northern Territory school funding meth methodology that
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: was accepted by the government, and we also of course
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: heard that secondary schools, so there's going to be a
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: review into secondary school now. We also learned that concerns
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: which had been raised about about well an eighteen page
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: document on how schools should deal with students struggling with their.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: Gender identity had been walked back.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: And we also spoke further about the fact that the
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: teachers now have that payoffer on the table, and the
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Treasurer revealed to us a bit earlier in the week. Well,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the Chief Minister firstly revealed that it's going to cost
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: seven million dollars for that first year when it comes
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: to when it comes to that payoffer, and then the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Treasurer confirmed during the week that that money would need
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to be found through the Education Department's budget. So she
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: said that there is an overspend. That there was an
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: overspend and that is where it would be able to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: be found, which was music to the ears of of
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the NT Cogso, who said, excellent, you know they're keen
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to see that in writing so that they know for
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: sure that it's not being taken out and underspend. So
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: there had been an underspend, so that was where the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: money was being found. NT Cogso was quite happy with
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that because it does mean that then it's not going
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: to need to be found from the individual schools budgets.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, let's just hope that that's actually true and
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: hip those recordings on are somewhere. I'm not really confident
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: that is going to happen, but fingers crossed, because you know,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: our children are are our future, there's no question, and
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: we need to put as much as we can in
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: education as possible. And I'm also very glad that this
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: whole the backlip happened about the boys and girls. A
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: bit of common sense, really, some common sense that laughs,
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Money and I've got this sense a bit of commons.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm very familiar.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Can clear it up, Lauren. He was told it was
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: a draft, but was it actually a draft?
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Absolutely?
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: So I remember I came on at the time, we
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: had quite an in depth conversation about it at the time.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: That was not a decision of government, oh, Jared, it
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: was not a decision of government.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: It was a consultation.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Paper that had actually gone to a very small group
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: of stakeholders. But in any case, you know what, I'm
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: being very consistent on this issue.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: We have got kids in the.
• 30:28
  Speaker 5: Northern Territory who have much higher rates of suicide, who
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: have much higher rates of you know, being bullied in
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: our schools across Australia, and I till the day I
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: die will say that schools being as inclusive as possible
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: is something that we should all strive for. And I
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: think we agree, you know, we'd all totally agree on that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: So it's gone out. It's for public consultation, and I
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: think that's really really.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Teachers saying boys and girls is a bridge too far.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: We're never going to stop teachers from saying boys and girls.
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: It was about guid in there, though, I mean, is
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: guiding an absolutely school should be one hundred percent inclusive
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: and making sure that it is a place that kids
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: feel safe of, you know, struggling you're going to struggle
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: with a different.
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: Lines of things.
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: But yeah, to have to put in writing what teachers
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: can and can't say, I mean, it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Wasn't quite like that, though.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: It was about providing guidance that teachers might want to
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: think about using more inclusive language, like not necessarily saying
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: boys and girls.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: But anyway, without going.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Into the weeds, I think, you know, the intention of
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: it was absolutely about protecting vulnerable students and I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: that's really really positive, and it's out for public consultation.
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: The Secondary School Review has been going on for quite
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: some time, so be looking forward to seeing what the
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: outcomes of that are. And obviously effective enrollment. I think
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: everybody's pretty happy about us accepting the recommendations around that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: It's really important that we keep, you know, looking at
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: that model and improving the model for school funding.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the teachers pay off.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Now, it's due back.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that they're out to vote, so it's
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: due back Monday, so we'll find out Monday. So seven
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: million in the first year and taken from that, you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: from the current education budget, but also the budget that's
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that's due to come out.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: For next year.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Kathleen, you're looking at me like you wanted to say
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: something before.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: No, I was ready for to tell me. Look, it
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: does seem as so it's a good offer.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: I guess.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: You know, everybody is wondering how if we got a
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: seven million dollar underspend, I guess to begin with. And
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: if that's the case, well are we looking at underspends
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: across other departments too, to see whether the health or
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: or the police.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Or anybody else.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: And where are we at with the rest of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: public servants?
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean this basically SAIDs the benchmark for the
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: rest of those EBA negotiations, doesn't it? Every other you know,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: corrections are waiting. I think fieries are heading out their nurses.
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: I mean they're all going to be looking at this
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: being like, well, that's our baseline. We want that pay rise.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, as we mentioned earlier, the LISA put out
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: those attack ads on the e BA. They want more
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: than that two percent, which was the base figure from
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: the government. So yeah, I think there's a big dollar bill.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: Coming for them.
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the budget's already in the in the
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: a long way at nine billion dollars, and I think
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: it's going to go up even more than that.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: We'll see where they all land. But I think it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: a great offer for teachers. And I've been around this
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: for a long time. My parents are teachers, so I've
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: been at a few rallies over my time as well
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: with my folks. But I you know, it's a it
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: is a good offer. But it's not just about the
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: pay as well. This, you know, when it comes to teachers,
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: it is also things like non contact time and you know,
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: some of those other.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Issues that come up through their work.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I think we probably anybody who knows the teacher knows
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: their workload has changed over over time.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more that they're doing these days.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: So I think the issue is where's where's the money
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: coming from. We've got a massive debt. You know, this
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: a seven million dollars underspend. I'm not even sure if
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: that's correct because from when I was reading the budget,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: I thought they spent all their money. But you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: I could be corrected for that for sure. And what
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: about the next lot you you know.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Well and the things as well. That's for the year,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: like that's for that one year.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: And so this is a payoffer that's been put on
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: the table ized I understand it for three years but
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: your spot on. Then there is all the others, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: there is all the other public servants that are pushing
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: for that pay increase as well. So where is the
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: money going to come from?
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: Well that that is the big question.
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: Obviously, the pay freeze came out of the Langoland Budget
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: Repair Report from five years ago now. And yes, of
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: course we've all said that cost of living has changed
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: and situations have changed, COVID has come and gone, but
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: at the end of the day, the structural issues with
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: our budget still remain, and we're heading for a huge,
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: huge debt situation.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, and this is what I think.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: We're the discussion about the economy reaching that forty billion
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: dollars by twenty thirty. That's eight years away. Yeah, so
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: we are really you know, like it's not a fascicle.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not a long, long fascical time away.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: Here before we know, we.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: Know the ship lift is already going to be delay
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: in ration into that we'd grow in the economy because
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: that's the way out of this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: Can't just cut cut cut arms is on hold.
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: We need to grow the economy and we need these
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: infrastructure programs like the ship lift. Unfortunately, it seems to
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: be there's going to be another delay and if it's
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: not going to be done in the next few years,
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I'm really concerned about that. The planes they're going to
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: fly that plane up, they end up putting it on
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: the truck. They couldn't get in the air, So I'm
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: concerned about that as well.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know if that is the case or not.
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: I mean, could it fly, that's the question. I'm not
• 35:34
  Speaker 6: sure it really could fly to.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Be I don't know the full details.
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: It's going to be a prototype.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: He's obviously talking about the G one eleven albatrosses, the
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: amphibious planes that are going to be manufactured here.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: Well, it look in the next few years, which is great.
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: That's that's the indication of a brand new industry that
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: wants to get off the ground and is using Darwin
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: and the Northern Territory as a base they're going to
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: sell it to.
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: He described it as the ultra wealthy.
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: You know, Steve Baxter from Shark Tank is apparently the
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: very first customer. Like, those are fantastic things and we
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: want to see those positive stories. But obviously to be
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: able to keep the lights on, yeah, your budget needs
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: to be.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Well, and one of the ways that we are looking
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: at diversifying the economies. Indeed, the Beagloo and our gas
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty five recommendations Lauren, that you are
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: working through as the Environment Minister.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Where are things at? How soon are we going.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: To see this industry really get underway in the territory, because,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, it is a big part of that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: forty billion dollar economy by twenty thirty.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a massive body of work. My department's responsible
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: for some of them. Some of the recommendations sit in
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: other departments across the government, but we've committed to having
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: those recommendations implemented by the end of the year.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, not to panic.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: We will not be looking to relate anything on you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: New Year's Eve or anything like that. There's obviously a
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: period of time where that whole body of work needs
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: to be considered by government. So we're probably looking more
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: like sort of late January February for us to talk
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: publicly about that body of work.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: But things like.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: The Shriba, which is a massive research study of you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: flora and fauna and all sorts of things in the Bloo, well,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: underway and everything's looking good. So I just want to
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: really take the opportunity to give a shout out. My
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: department often doesn't get the shout out it deserves. There
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: are a lot of really talented scientists and all sorts
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: of things in the Department of Environment who are out
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: there in the field every day, and they have done
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: a mammoth amount of work for implementing the HFI recommendations,
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: and you know they should be applauded.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Really and so did you say that those recommendations that
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: it will be complete by that it will be done
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: by the end of the years.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: That's the commitment that was given.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: So yeah, and so then what does that mean? That
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: means thatduction can begin.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: So it means that ideally we'd be able to start
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: considering production obviously applications as processes that people have to
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: go through over the course of the next year, but
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: it'll be within the timelines that were set out within
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: the Pepper inquiry, So.
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: We can start seeing the process of fracking so to speak,
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: from next year.
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: Ideally if those.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: A couple of years, will start to see production happen.
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: But obviously in terms of production licenses, approvals and things
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: there's a process that needs to be gone through, and
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: you know, I'm somebody who considers environment management plans on
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: a regular basis. That is a very very big process.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of information that needs to be submitted,
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: so those things will take some time in terms of
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: companies getting all of the relevant information together to allow
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: decision makers to decide whether or not.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: But the reality here is that we are we are
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: essentially going to see that so I get underway from
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: next year.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: We can start to see those production applications considered.
• 39:03
  Speaker 7: Are there any actually been lodged yet they.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: Can't Well, we haven't implemented the recommendations, Okay, so of
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: course there's exploration happening at the moment.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: How big an impact, like, how important do you think
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: that that industry is in terms of that diversification of
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: the economy that the government speaks so often about by
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: twenty thirty, Yeah, I.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Think obviously we've talked about this before on here. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: think Kat was probably on that one as well. In
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: terms of the what we're seeing in other parts of Australia.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I think it's a really important part of that energy
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: conversation that's happening nationally and that's really important because I
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: know lots of people have obviously talked about emissions and
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: emissions is something that we think about often and that's
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: why we do have to be in partnership around that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: It's other jurisdictions.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: If you know, the Australian government wants access to our resource,
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: then we do need assistance around some of those things
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: and work. Yeah, and we'll definitely work in partnership around that.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: So you want the FEDS to pay their way if
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: they want our gas, sure, but.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is about diversification.
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: We do need to make sure we've got our own
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: source revenue streams happening here in the territory. But it
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: is important that it happens in an environmentally sustainable way
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: and obviously I'm responsible for the regulator of that, so
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: you know, it's a big time. But there's a lot
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: of public servants doing some heavy work and with personal
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: legislation just in the last settings which the Corp opposition
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: supported around accountability for environmental damage, appraisal gas, all those
• 40:41
  Speaker 5: sorts of things. So you know, we're well on our
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: way on those one hundred and thirty five recommendations.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: And do you think that those recommendations will be stringe
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: enough that obviously the you know, the environment's going to
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: be protected, but equally that it is going to enable
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: work to actually get underway and not be so sort
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: of cumbersome that you know that some of those companies
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: decide not to do business here.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: Yes, I do. I think that they will be stringent.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: I think that the industry have been kept abreast of
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: what's been happening along the way. They obviously know what
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: to expect because they know we've committed to one hundred
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: and thirty five recommendations. So they've got, you know, a
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: level of certainty about what to expect in the system.
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: So I think that's really really positive, really and you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: these companies they've got their own pressures from shareholders and
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: things to make sure that they are doing the right
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: thing and that they are being more environmentally conscious than
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: I think that's an expectation that's broadly accepted.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Well, take a very short break. You are listening to
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Mix one O four nine's three sixty. It is the
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: week that was. That is just about it for us
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: this morning. Before we wrap up, though, we have just
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: received updated information from the Northern Territory Police they've now
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: arrested a twenty two year old man in relation to
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: an alleged sexual assaulting driver earlier this week. Yeah, well
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: done to the Northern Terier True Police. Detective Superintendent Mark
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Malagorski has said that the entire Crime Division, along with
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: forensics and general duties, have been working tirelessly since Wednesday
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: to identify and arrest the person responsible for the incident.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: That man's expected to face charges later today and police
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: are still urging anyone with relevant CCTV to make contact
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: on one three one triple four. So well done to
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the Northern Territory Police on being able to apprehend that person.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And Katie.
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: One more little update. One of my constituents ranged me
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: yesterday and he was driving to work and went past
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: one of the new road sign you know, eleven million
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: dollar road sign and guess what it said. It says
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: for traffic detail, refer to the website. So he was
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: driving and sign about roads safety says refer to the
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: website while you're driving along.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: That's the idea of.
• 42:53
  Speaker 7: You go to the website.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: Oh goodness, gracious me.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: They've received real mixed reviews those signs, haven't they work
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: like inundated with messages about it when we'd revealed how
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: much they're going to cost a couple of weeks ago,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and then obviously the minister held a press a media
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: event not this week, the week before and Jeed, they've
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: definitely received mixed reviews the roadside.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: Referring you to the website to work out what.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: They're well, there there go, there you go, eleven million bucks.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people had suggestions of how
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: they thought eleven million could be better spent, but I'll.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Leave that for you all to think about it. Yes now,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: Jared Mayley.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: The Deputy Opposition leader, thanks so much for your time
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: as always.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you potentially.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Gazola nine News dar and thank you for your time.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Thanks guys, and Lauren Moss, the Minister for Environment and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: various other portfolios, thank you for your time.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: And if I can just mention eleven forty five at Casarina,
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: there's the No More March, so No More Walk against
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: Domestic and Family Violence, So just everyone's meeting outside, Peter Alexander.
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: If you want to be part of that. This panel.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Tony child is going hurt.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Excellent work of course by Charlie King. He does a
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: phenomenal job with the No More campaign, so well done
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: And eleven forty five did you.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Say that's when the people are meeting?
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Good stuff.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you all so much for your time this morning.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: That was the week that was right here on Mix
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: one oh four nine. Still plenty more coming your way.