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The NFL Draft · NFL explained.

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Speaker 1: NFL Explained is a production of the NFL in partnership
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Speaker 1: with I Heart Radio. Hey everyone, We're just a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks away from one of the biggest events on
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Speaker 1: the NFL calendar, and no doubt a day a number
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Speaker 1: of young players are going to remember for the rest
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Speaker 1: of their lives. Of course, I'm talking about the NFL Draft,
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Speaker 1: where stars from college while have a chance to embrace
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Speaker 1: the commissioner was probably a little more forced than it
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Speaker 1: is appreciated in front of millions of fans. It is
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Speaker 1: the NFL Explained podcast the NFL Draft. I'm like, yeah, hey,
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Speaker 1: Adedy Kinkabwalla, good morning, Mike. I'm laughing thinking about intricate
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Speaker 1: handshakes and bear hugs and the commissioner being picked up
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Speaker 1: on stage by one especially excited drafty. Are you a
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Speaker 1: bear hug person? I feel like in that moment, I
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Speaker 1: totally would be would you not? No, you got it
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Speaker 1: to me? Um, I'd be a bear hug person. You
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Speaker 1: can to me in my life just changed. It's it's
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Speaker 1: all the hard work, my entire of dedicating myself to
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Speaker 1: trying to be the best I can be, and then
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Speaker 1: it comes to fruition and I get drafted by an
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Speaker 1: NFL team. Yeah, I'm bear hug to be tears or
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Speaker 1: just big smile. There might be I'll embrace it. I
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Speaker 1: can be that kind of guy. So yeah, there might
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Speaker 1: be a tear or two shed tears. Well, you know what,
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Speaker 1: it's the raw emotion that is part of why the
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Speaker 1: draft has exploded. It takes up a primetime TV slot.
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Speaker 1: There's a red carpet now for players and their moms sometimes,
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Speaker 1: and it's changed venues in recent years. We are going
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Speaker 1: to get to that because it is one of my
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Speaker 1: favorite parts of the draft coming up this year, the giant,
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Speaker 1: grown up playground that is Las Vegas. But to see
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Speaker 1: just how far we've come, Mike, we really should take
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Speaker 1: our listeners back to a time when there was actually
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Speaker 1: no film to watch on potential prospects, and there were
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Speaker 1: no mock drafts. There was no scouting come by, none
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Speaker 1: of that. And then there's actually, you know what, Mike,
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Speaker 1: before the draft, there was the pre draft years and
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Speaker 1: the pre draft years. The Bears, the Packers, the Giants
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Speaker 1: were the ones that just dominated the league because they're
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Speaker 1: the ones that had the most money and they could
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Speaker 1: sign the top college players, guys like Red Grange and
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Speaker 1: Don Hudson. So it was really Burt Bell, who was
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia's co owner and by the way, a future commissioner,
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Speaker 1: who proposed a draft for the first time in nineteen
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Speaker 1: thirty six, and his argument at the time was that
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Speaker 1: it would increase competition and it would make all of
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Speaker 1: the nine franchises financially viable. And February eighth of that year,
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Speaker 1: all of the NFL owners unanimously approved that idea. And
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Speaker 1: while the order of the draft still generally remains worse
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Speaker 1: to first, although there's been some conversation about a lottery, Mike,
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Speaker 1: But anyway, as of now, the draft is still worse
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Speaker 1: to first. The mechanics surrounding it are very very different.
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Speaker 1: No lottery, no lottery, please do it. Um no, I'm good,
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Speaker 1: I'm good with this. I I'm I'm a planner. I
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Speaker 1: like to know what is about to happen. The lottery
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Speaker 1: would be complete chaos, and then those mock drafts just
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Speaker 1: would feel a whole lot different for me, and Lord knows,
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Speaker 1: I live in the world of mock drafts. But um,
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Speaker 1: kudos to Burke Bell, by the way, because that is,
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Speaker 1: I mean, great idea obviously, Um you know, and I
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Speaker 1: think we take for granted what the draft is and
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Speaker 1: trying to maintain a certain level of of competition. But
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Speaker 1: let's continue going down memory lane here. So in year
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Speaker 1: number one, it was nine rounds and nine teams. And
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Speaker 1: if you're like nine teams won't trust us, you can
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Speaker 1: go back to one of our early episodes where we
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Speaker 1: go through the names and the history of the NFL
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Speaker 1: and those franchises. It's actually our first two episodes of
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Speaker 1: this podcast, so highly encourage you to go back. But
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Speaker 1: indeed you hit the nail on the head. No tape
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Speaker 1: to analyze, no combine, complete chaos. In my mind. Selections
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Speaker 1: were made from newspaper clippings and word of mouth. So
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Speaker 1: think old school Twitter when I say newspaper clippings. Instead
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Speaker 1: of looking on the screen, there actually hard copy. Your
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Speaker 1: fingers would have a little ink on them and not
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Speaker 1: feel great after you read them. But the point is
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Speaker 1: that's how teams were trying to figure out who they
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Speaker 1: should take. Draft selections were untimed. Oh boy, and the
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Speaker 1: league pulled together a listed ninety players written on a
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Speaker 1: blackboard where teams could make their picks a D D.
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Speaker 1: Something tells me your handwriting better than mine. But you
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Speaker 1: had that's an important job, whoever it was writing those
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Speaker 1: names up on the big board. Uh. With the first
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Speaker 1: ever pick in the NFL Draft, the Eagles actually selected
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Speaker 1: University Chicago's Jay berg Wagner. He was the nineteen thirty
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Speaker 1: five Heisman Trophy winner. Now, when the Eagles felt like
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Speaker 1: they couldn't meet his demands of a thousand dollars a
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Speaker 1: game of d D, they decided to trade his rights
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Speaker 1: to the Bears. Well, we just talked about the Bears
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Speaker 1: being one of the richer original clubs, right, so could
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Speaker 1: they pay him k is what he was asking for?
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Speaker 1: George Hollis is like, M, I don't know about that.
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Speaker 1: How about this? He decided to go work for a
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Speaker 1: rubber company instead. But can you imagine in this day
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Speaker 1: and age, you go play in the NFL or you
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Speaker 1: can go work in a rubber company. I don't know
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Speaker 1: that you can find a rubber company that could pay
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Speaker 1: more than an NFL salary these days. Uh. That's actually
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Speaker 1: a really good point, even at that league minimum. So,
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Speaker 1: with the draft gaining a ton of steam, the l
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Speaker 1: A Rams were the first team to hire a full
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Speaker 1: time scout and it paid dividends. They reached the championship
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Speaker 1: game three times over the next five seasons, including one title.
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Speaker 1: Kudos to the scouting departments across the NFL. So when
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Speaker 1: the a f L arrived on the scene as a
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Speaker 1: competing league in nineteen sixty, the NFL had a secret
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Speaker 1: draft in nineteen fifty nine to keep the a f
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Speaker 1: L from grabbing any star players in the first year
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Speaker 1: of their existence. Box them out, baby, all right, So
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Speaker 1: they use strategies like having babysitters to watch over top
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Speaker 1: college prospects so the a f L couldn't contact them
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Speaker 1: in any way. A d D. Kind of a cool story,
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Speaker 1: and you know my background covering college football, I've heard
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Speaker 1: enough of these recruiting stories that if you are an
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Speaker 1: upper echelon college recruit, sometime coaches they get assigned to
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Speaker 1: you and sort of in the same way where they
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Speaker 1: will wait. I've heard plenty of coaches will wait outside
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Speaker 1: before signing dad. I don't know if it's changed because
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Speaker 1: the early signing period and how that's worked, but some
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Speaker 1: teams will actually assign a coach so that other coaches
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Speaker 1: can't go and manipulate and have conversations with some of
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Speaker 1: those players. Now, of course their cell phones and the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. But the point is you gotta do what
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Speaker 1: it takes to win. Reads back to the NFL in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties. Well, look, the two leagues finally merged
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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. That started what we now know
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Speaker 1: as the common Draft era, and it was actually the
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Speaker 1: Steelers that got a little lucky on its way to
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Speaker 1: a dynasty. Nineteen seventy the Steelers and the Bears had
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Speaker 1: tied for the worst record, so there was a coin
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Speaker 1: toss to decide who gets the number one overall pick.
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh wins, and the Steelers used that selection on Terry Bradshaw,
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Speaker 1: the quarterback who would eventually lead them to four Lombardi Trophies.
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Speaker 1: They then put together in nineteen seventy four the draft
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Speaker 1: mic that has to stand to this day as the
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Speaker 1: all time best draft ever by one team. Mike Webster,
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Speaker 1: Jack Lambert, Lynn Swan, and John Stalworth. Four Hall of
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Speaker 1: famers chosen in one draft by one team. Now, Dick
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Speaker 1: Hayley and Bill Nunn were the architects of that scouting,
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Speaker 1: of that drafting, and the Bill Nune piece of this
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Speaker 1: is really really interesting because he used to be a
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Speaker 1: newspaper writer. He was a newspaper writer in Pittsburgh, and
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Speaker 1: then the Steelers decided that he really had a tremendous
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Speaker 1: eye for talent, and he started helping the Steelers with
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Speaker 1: their scouting. And what Bill Nunn did was really open
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Speaker 1: an avenue to historically black colleges and to African American
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Speaker 1: athletes who are often overlooked. He finally was recently inducted
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Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. But I can tell you this,
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Speaker 1: in the city of Pittsburgh, Bill Nunn is tremendously revered
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Speaker 1: and recognized. I can't imagine that, by the way. I mean,
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Speaker 1: think about that, Mike. Can you imagine one team right
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Speaker 1: now getting four Hall of Famers in one draft? No,
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Speaker 1: it's crazy. Sometimes I see to myself, in an entire draft,
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Speaker 1: how many potential Hall of Famers are going to be
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Speaker 1: in just the entire draft. Oh that's such a good point,
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Speaker 1: you know what, That would make a really good That
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Speaker 1: might be one of the questions I throw in for
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Speaker 1: our next grab bag episode. Oh yeah, I like that.
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Speaker 1: Which year produced the most total Hall of Famers? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Across all teams? All right, file that one away in
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Speaker 1: your notepad. Mike. Anyway back to this one. In the
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, the NFL decreased the number of draft rounds
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Speaker 1: from twenty down to twelve. It's stayed at twelve rounds
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Speaker 1: until now. In the nineteen seventies, one of the more
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Speaker 1: notable draft traditions was born, and that was when a
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Speaker 1: former NFL wide receiver Paul Slatta, approach Commissioner Pete Rosel
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Speaker 1: and he asked Stiff he could celebrate the last pick
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Speaker 1: in the draft and call him Mr. Irrelevant. The celebration,
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Speaker 1: as Paul s Alatta saw, it would be a flight
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Speaker 1: to Newport Beach, California, and a parade, And wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: know it, it was the Steelers who had the final
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Speaker 1: pick in the nineteen seventies six draft. They chose Kelvin Kirk.
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Speaker 1: He thought he was being mocked, but then he ended
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Speaker 1: up agreeing, I mean, come on, it's a free flight
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Speaker 1: to Newport Beach. Except he missed the flight the parade. However,
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Speaker 1: Mike still went on and they found a local butcher
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Speaker 1: to fill in for Kirk. A local butcher. Okay, um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: whatever it takes. Have you missed the flight? That's a
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Speaker 1: story for another episode. There you go. Yeah, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring up the idea of Mr. Irrelevant
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Speaker 1: and just sort of the pomp and circumstance that comes
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Speaker 1: with the TV coverage. So the draft itself was becoming
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Speaker 1: a real event. ESPN actually televised it for the first
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Speaker 1: time ever in nineteen eighty and at that point on
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Speaker 1: no turning back. The first fifty two years of the draft,
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Speaker 1: it was held on a Tuesday and Wednesday. The draft
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Speaker 1: moved to a Sunday and Monday from eight to nine four,
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Speaker 1: mainly because the Maryette Marquee offered the NFL a better
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Speaker 1: rate on the days for the ballroom space, which is
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Speaker 1: just crazy. Always have to look for a bargain no
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Speaker 1: Expedia points, I guess to to sort of bring the
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Speaker 1: cost down those reward numbers. The draft. It actually moved
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Speaker 1: to the weekend slot in when the event was moved
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Speaker 1: to Madison Square Garden. It did a one year stop
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Speaker 1: over at the Jacob Javitt's Convention Center in two thousand
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Speaker 1: five before settling in two thousand six at Radio City
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Speaker 1: Music Hall. Jets fans really found their voices. If you
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Speaker 1: were recalled I know a d D. You certainly did
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Speaker 1: the NFL Network began actually simulcasting at that point, and
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Speaker 1: it just sort of really took off to another gear.
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Speaker 1: That's also the year the time allotted between picks decreased.
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Speaker 1: Round one went from fifteen minutes to ten. In two
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Speaker 1: thousand and eight, round to move down to seven minutes
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Speaker 1: from ten. So in the draft went to prime time,
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Speaker 1: moving the first round to Thursday and the next two
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Speaker 1: rounds to Friday night. Now the ratings actually increased thirty
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Speaker 1: five percent in that first year in prime time. The
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Speaker 1: first round of draft saw twelve point six million viewers
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Speaker 1: according to the Nielsen Ratings, which for perspective, is about
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Speaker 1: the same as the clinching game of last year's NBA
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Speaker 1: Finals and Major League Baseball's World Series. So, just like
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Speaker 1: the league is looking to do the NFL combine, the
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Speaker 1: league actually just started a bidding process for draft locations.
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Speaker 1: Rather than just keeping it in New York, which is
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Speaker 1: kind of a cool thing, let's spread the level a
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Speaker 1: little bit it had been there from It has since
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Speaker 1: made stops Chicago twice, Philly, Dallas, Nashville, the Commissioner's Basement,
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Speaker 1: which I think was cool but probably not Roger Goodell's
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Speaker 1: favorite location. That happened obviously in during COVID and then
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Speaker 1: of course Cleveland and as we mession at the top,
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Speaker 1: d yes Lost Vegas. Help you're growing into this. We
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Speaker 1: can't gloss over this. What's really funny about this is
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Speaker 1: that the draft was forced to move. The NFL has
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Speaker 1: done a tremendous job of turning what are seemingly mundane
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Speaker 1: or procedural events into huge events like the Draft, like
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Speaker 1: the Combine where fans can sit in the stands now.
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Speaker 1: But this wasn't actually an active choice. What happened is
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Speaker 1: that Radio City Musical was booked and if I'm correct,
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Speaker 1: I believe it was the Ice Capades that we're going
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Speaker 1: to be at Radio City Music Hall in April and May.
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Speaker 1: So the NFL had to move, and then happened upon
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Speaker 1: this idea of showcasing other NFL cities by turn, and
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Speaker 1: this has just been one of my favorite, favorite favorite things. Now,
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Speaker 1: who can forget the throngs of people partying in Nashville.
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Speaker 1: And then I'll tell you last year I got to
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Speaker 1: be boots on the ground in Cleveland for the week
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Speaker 1: leading up to the Draft, Mike and we did bits
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Speaker 1: at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, we did
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Speaker 1: bits with some of the great restaurants in town. And
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Speaker 1: what it was is that you think about NFL fans
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Speaker 1: looking at stadiums on their TVs, and usually many times, Mike,
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Speaker 1: these fans watch games on TV and all they really
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Speaker 1: know of the city where this team is playing is
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Speaker 1: the stadium or whatever the drone blimp shot shows them.
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Speaker 1: The draft moving gives each of these NFL cities an
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Speaker 1: opportunity to showcase so much more of what it is
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Speaker 1: beyond just the stadium. And I'm a huge, huge fan.
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Speaker 1: I love the idea of moving the draft around and
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Speaker 1: cute little aside. The draft was in the Commissioner's basement
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Speaker 1: in he made picks from an old, old, old armchair.
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Speaker 1: That armchair was set to Cleveland last year, and I
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Speaker 1: did joke on air that um Roger Goodell's wife Jane
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Speaker 1: asked that we not send it back nostalgia. I guess
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Speaker 1: not enough to keep him the commissioner's man cave piece
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Speaker 1: of furniture that's someone's looking to get rid of. Anyway,
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Speaker 1: We're gone up on how we went from a chalkboard
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Speaker 1: to the bright lights of Sin City. So when we
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Speaker 1: come back, we'll take a look at some of the
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Speaker 1: more interesting draft day facts like which colleges have sent
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Speaker 1: the most players to the league and much much more.
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Speaker 1: When we come back NFL draft explained. Alright, alright, welcome
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Speaker 1: back to NFL, explained to d ed Kikabwela with Mike. Yeah, Mike,
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Speaker 1: top quiz time, right off the top. But yes, which
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Speaker 1: NFL team has the worst winning percentage since the merger? Oh?
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Speaker 1: I think gonna give me like a softball. Um, there's
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Speaker 1: a part of me that wants to say, God, process
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Speaker 1: of elimination, Um, Lions, box Jets. I'm just trying to
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Speaker 1: think of some some teams that have had I just
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Speaker 1: had some wins that really I don't know. Can I
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Speaker 1: go with one of those three? Maybe? Alright, fine, that's
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Speaker 1: the way you want to do it. It is actually
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Speaker 1: the Tampa Bay Buck. They had one forty two per
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Speaker 1: cent of their games. So it does stand to reason
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Speaker 1: that the Bucks actually also have the most number one
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Speaker 1: overall draft picks since nineteen sixty seven, even though they
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Speaker 1: didn't actually answer the league as a franchise until nineteen
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Speaker 1: But even crazier than that, Mike was it their first
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Speaker 1: ever draft pick. Leroy Selman turned into a Hall of Famer,
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Speaker 1: despite all of those early struggles from the team, and
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Speaker 1: of course, following the Bucks on the list of most
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Speaker 1: number one overall selections are the Bills, the Bengals, the Owns,
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Speaker 1: the Colts, and the Patriots, all of whom have had four.
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Speaker 1: There are only three teams that have never had the
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Speaker 1: joy or pain of having the first overall pick. Got
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Speaker 1: any guesses there? The Ravens are one that I do know,
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Speaker 1: just because of the move and whatnot. So I will
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Speaker 1: I'll say Ravens for sure. And by the way, I
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Speaker 1: like how I angered probably three franchises when I only
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Speaker 1: have anger one. Next time you put me in that position,
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Speaker 1: I'm only going to go with one team. Well, you
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Speaker 1: got one, right, So how can Bucks fans be upset? Oh? Well,
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Speaker 1: just because they're probably just mad at me. But you're right,
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Speaker 1: just because they're probably just angry. It's although they should
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Speaker 1: be in a good mood, right like the team they
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Speaker 1: got Brady back. So someone's always mad at you. In
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Speaker 1: any case, there are only three teams that have never
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Speaker 1: had the first overall pick, the Ravens, as you said,
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Speaker 1: and also the Broncos and the Seahawks. Okay, all right,
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Speaker 1: So we're in there. At some point. I gotta flip
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Speaker 1: the script here on somebody's quizzes for you. But you
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Speaker 1: mentioned the Bucks drafting the Hall of Famer and Leroy
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Speaker 1: Salmon at one four times a number one overall pick
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Speaker 1: has gone hunt to wear a gold Jacket's kind of crazy.
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Speaker 1: But the pick that has produced the most bus in
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Speaker 1: Canton the sixth overall pick with fifteen, so six the
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Speaker 1: lucky number in the NFL. They probably have a few
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Speaker 1: more on the way. Julio Jones quit Nelson of the
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Speaker 1: culture is also this other guy, um Gun Slinger, one
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Speaker 1: of my favorites in the league, justin Herbert. He might
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Speaker 1: be on his way. We time will tell. There's a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of football still left in his career. So
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I should should say he's all
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Speaker 1: the way, can't bound, but he's having some success that division.
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Speaker 1: Talking about putting pressure on a young man. But okay,
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Speaker 1: since we're talking about pressure and you did just say
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Speaker 1: the word bust as in the statues that are in
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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I'm going to flip that and
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Speaker 1: talk about some of the all time draft busts, as
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Speaker 1: in top picks who flapped Mike, what qualifies as a
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Speaker 1: bust in your mind? Okay, so I don't There's got
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Speaker 1: to be like a technical term for it. I'm actually
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Speaker 1: not crazy about the term bust because I think what
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Speaker 1: normal casual fans or even something some hardcore fans don't realize,
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Speaker 1: is the amount of dedication it takes to get to
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Speaker 1: this point. Right, So you are still elite when you
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Speaker 1: are drafted in the NFL, just some guys don't have
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Speaker 1: the same amount of success. So if you said to
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Speaker 1: me what defines the term bust, I would say the
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Speaker 1: level of success that that pick number wise tends to
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Speaker 1: have in the league. And if you if you don't
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Speaker 1: meet that threshold. So let's just say you're the number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick and you just you're out of the
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Speaker 1: league in a couple of years, Well, clearly you haven't
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Speaker 1: lived up to the expectation level of being a number
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Speaker 1: one overall pick. So for me, that would sort of
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Speaker 1: classify at least be one factor in defining bus. Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just expectation. I would also
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Speaker 1: say the amount of capital that a team expends to
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Speaker 1: get someone. So again, you know there's more capital associated
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Speaker 1: with the second overall pick, as compared to the third
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Speaker 1: pick in the seventh round. Anyway, having said all of that,
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Speaker 1: because of that point, I think a lot of people
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Speaker 1: will immediately think of Ryan Leaf just because he's forever
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Speaker 1: linked to Peyton Manning, who went number one overall in
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Speaker 1: nineteen Leaf was chosen by the Chargers number two, and
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Speaker 1: then went on to compile a career record of four
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Speaker 1: and seventeen while tossing fourteen touchdowns and thirty six interceptions.
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Speaker 1: There's actually quite a few other notable quarterbacks who went
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Speaker 1: number one overall and proved to not be the most
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Speaker 1: ideal of choices. There's Tim Couch, who was drafted by
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Speaker 1: the Browns in nineteen nine and produced a record at
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Speaker 1: just twenty two and thirty seven. Jamacus Russell, who was
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Speaker 1: taken number one by the Raiders in two thousand and seven.
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Speaker 1: After posting a career record of just seven and eighteen,
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Speaker 1: he was released in two thousand and ten and then
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Speaker 1: he never played again. You know, it's interesting, though, two
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Speaker 1: year point we talked about the Browns and drafting a
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Speaker 1: quarterback number one. A few years ago they drafted Baker
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Speaker 1: Mayfield number one overall, and Baker Mayfield ended a very
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Speaker 1: very long playoff drought, Baker may Field led the Browns
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Speaker 1: their first winning season, and wherever Baker Mayfield and the
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Speaker 1: Browns are about to divorce before the end of his
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Speaker 1: first contract. I don't know that i'd call him a
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Speaker 1: bust because of all that he accomplished. But I don't
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Speaker 1: know that he matches the expectations of a number one
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Speaker 1: overall pick, as you just said, especially in a year
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Speaker 1: when we talk about the Ryan Leaf, Peyton Manning and
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Speaker 1: how you're always kind of compared, especially in a year
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Speaker 1: where Josh Allen was also chosen and Lamar Jackson, who's
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Speaker 1: won an m v P, was also sure. It's all
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Speaker 1: really really good points. So I'm actually typing the question
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Speaker 1: into my notes page on my phone. What's the technical
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Speaker 1: definition of a bust? That will be for our mail
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Speaker 1: bag episode. I will be asking that question when we
20:49
Speaker 1: when we throw that one and that there's an answer
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Speaker 1: to that one. Yeah, something tells me our research team
20:53
Speaker 1: and NFL Network will be able to figure that one out.
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Speaker 1: They're really good at stuff like that. A couple other
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Speaker 1: players you could throw out there, Achille Smith or ak
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Speaker 1: In product drafted by the Bangals in number three overall.
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Speaker 1: This one's things a little bit because New Orleans actually
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Speaker 1: offered nine picks to move into the third spot. The
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Speaker 1: Bangles instead said, you know what, rolling the dice with
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Speaker 1: them three and fourteen record for Cincinnati in that time.
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Speaker 1: Bengals also had the number one overall pick four years
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Speaker 1: earlier when they took Penn State running back to JOHNA. Carter.
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Speaker 1: He rushed for seven hundred and forty seven yards in
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Speaker 1: four seasons with Cincinnati. You know, it makes me sad
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Speaker 1: the top picks that don't work out, because obviously, you know,
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Speaker 1: the expectations are absurdly high for them. The stories that
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Speaker 1: I love are the guys that were taken later in
21:41
Speaker 1: the draft and turned into hood and gems. The leader
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Speaker 1: in that category, of course, has to be the greatest
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Speaker 1: of all time, Tom Brady. He was taken in the
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Speaker 1: sixth round at pick the Patriots and two thousand. But
21:54
Speaker 1: you know, another Hall of Fame quarterback, Roger Staubach. And
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that because we all know Tom Brady will
21:59
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame whenever he does actually
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Speaker 1: officially retire and stay retired. In any case, another Hall
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Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback, Roger's back tenth round in nine. He
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Speaker 1: won two Super Bowls with the Cowboys. The Broncos took
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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Shannon Sharpe and Terrell Davis in the
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Speaker 1: seventh and sixth rounds. I mean Antonio Brown, who I
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Speaker 1: know has not exactly been the most ideal teammate of late,
22:26
Speaker 1: was a sixth round pick by the Steelers. Digging and
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Speaker 1: deep there, which I like, did you drop rid Chard
22:31
Speaker 1: Chairman's name into the mix? Because he I feel like
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Speaker 1: he should be there. He was a fifth rounder by
22:35
Speaker 1: the Seahawks in I feel like you're showing your West
22:38
Speaker 1: Coast bias, but go right ahead. There's a little bit
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Speaker 1: of that going on right now, only because Stanford was
22:42
Speaker 1: a team that I covered for a very long time.
22:44
Speaker 1: How about this for a little nug here on the
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Speaker 1: Cardinal It's coming up on the NFL Explained Podcast. Welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the NFL Explained Podcast. Mike Yammin and Deeedi
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Speaker 1: Kinka Walla with you. D Let's get right back to this.
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Speaker 1: How about this for a little nug here on the Cardinals.
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Speaker 1: Stanford has the second most quarterbacks drafted since the common
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Speaker 1: Era began seventeen seventeen, which is kind of crazy a DD.
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Speaker 1: You know you're always doing the pop quiz thing on me.
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Speaker 1: How about this for you? Do you know which school
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Speaker 1: has the most though when it comes to quarterbacks drafted
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Speaker 1: in the common era, I'll give you a hint. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you it's a Packbull school, Pack twelve. And did
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Speaker 1: you notice how I said pack twin? Like I didn't
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Speaker 1: know if I was saying packed well for Pac ten
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Speaker 1: right there? Um? Oh, well it has to be USC,
23:41
Speaker 1: wasn't there like that? You Like, it was like Matt
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Speaker 1: Leinard and Mark Sanchez and Matt Barkley and like anybody
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Speaker 1: and everybody like you just had to play the position
23:48
Speaker 1: and you'd be drafted out of that school. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: what happens when you go to USC and you're the
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Speaker 1: team starting quarterback. You get thrust into the Heisman conversation.
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Speaker 1: Everyone thinks you are bound for NFL stardom, but you're
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Speaker 1: right hit the nail on the head s C nineteen.
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Speaker 1: Of those quarterbacks, Carson Palmer's probably the one who had
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Speaker 1: the best NFL career of the group. Maybe there's some
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Speaker 1: conversation and debate to be had there, but I throw
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Speaker 1: his name into the mix. Florida State, Washington, Ohio State
24:15
Speaker 1: actually round out the top five schools with the most
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks drafted since nineteen Buckeyes they'll have the most players
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Speaker 1: drafted in the first round with eight three, followed by yeah,
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Speaker 1: we'll say it again, USC, then Alabama, Notre Dame, and
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Speaker 1: Miami the school with the most number one overall picks,
24:36
Speaker 1: Damn Trojans talk about that history, USC in Oklahoma both
24:41
Speaker 1: with five a DD. I feel like this is such
24:43
Speaker 1: a generational thing too. You know, if you had asked
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Speaker 1: me and I'm thinking about the last let's call it
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Speaker 1: five drafts, I'm definitely thinking SEC. Oh, no doubt right,
24:55
Speaker 1: whether it's Alabama or l s U or But again,
24:58
Speaker 1: everything is cyclical, and so we were just mentioning players
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Speaker 1: drafted in the first round. How about this one father
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Speaker 1: son combos drafted in the first round. And listen to this.
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Speaker 1: There's actually two instances of a dad being a first
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Speaker 1: rounder and two of his kids being taken in the
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Speaker 1: first round. Actually, if you think about it, I think
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Speaker 1: they're probably pretty obvious. Yeah, well the mannings right, like
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's the lay up for me. I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to remember who the other so there's well, and here's
25:28
Speaker 1: what's crazy about that too. Archie Manning was drafted by
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Speaker 1: his hometown Saints in nineteen seventy one, and then Peyton,
25:34
Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, was taken by the Colts, and
25:37
Speaker 1: Eli Manning was the number one overall pick of San
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Speaker 1: Diego in two thousand and four, but he didn't want
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Speaker 1: to play there, and so of course he spent his
25:44
Speaker 1: entire career with the Giants. But here's what's crazy. There
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Speaker 1: could be a nephew. There could be a third generation
25:50
Speaker 1: first round pick because Peyton and Eli's older brother, Cooper,
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Speaker 1: has a son named arch Mike. He's a superstar in
25:58
Speaker 1: high school. Right now. You kind of have to be
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Speaker 1: with that name, don't you. Well, here's another name that
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Speaker 1: has pulled that out, and you mentioned Ohio State. Well,
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Speaker 1: Joey and Nick Bosa or drafted in the first round
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Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen and two thousand nineteen. And their dad,
26:14
Speaker 1: of course, was a longtime NFL player, drafted in the
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Speaker 1: first round in nine seven out of Boston College. And
26:19
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I was at Nick Bosa's pro
26:21
Speaker 1: day at Ohio State. I met his dad and he
26:24
Speaker 1: looked like he could still play or put the hurt
26:27
Speaker 1: on somebody. That does not surprise me at all. I
26:30
Speaker 1: remember actually being at a Niners practice before the season
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Speaker 1: it started. Dude looks like a Greek god. I mean,
26:36
Speaker 1: the whole family. The genetic thing. It is definitely a
26:39
Speaker 1: real deal because it's not just physically what you have.
26:43
Speaker 1: But just think about being around NFL dudes all the time.
26:46
Speaker 1: How often do you mentioned pro day's adity. How often
26:49
Speaker 1: do you go to a pro day or do you
26:50
Speaker 1: see a guy or talk to a player who's in
26:53
Speaker 1: the NFL and you hear that their dad or their
26:56
Speaker 1: uncle was a coach or a former player themselves. Like
26:59
Speaker 1: all of that exposure to to the game I think
27:02
Speaker 1: gives them a huge edge. And once again, it does
27:05
Speaker 1: come down to genetics because I could have been exposed
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Speaker 1: to it my entire life. Adini, I am playing in
27:09
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's not going to happen. It's interesting you
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Speaker 1: say that because I was just at Kenny Pickett's pro day,
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Speaker 1: the quarterback out of pit and I met his parents,
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Speaker 1: who were the most lovely people, and I was chatting
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Speaker 1: with his dad about how Kenny knew he wanted to
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Speaker 1: be a quarterback, at the age of five, and that
27:27
Speaker 1: was that. But of course hidden high school he did
27:28
Speaker 1: play other positions. And so when I asked Kenny, I
27:31
Speaker 1: said to him, Hey, your dad said you could have
27:33
Speaker 1: made a pretty good linebacker too. He laughed, and he
27:36
Speaker 1: said that's high praise because his dad was a really
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Speaker 1: good linebacker. And he said, I hope I bring that
27:41
Speaker 1: edge to the quarterback position, so there's definitely that. Did
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Speaker 1: you shake his dad's hand? I'm trying to actually as
27:48
Speaker 1: we chat here, there are two guys this year whose
27:53
Speaker 1: father's were drafted in the NFL, who had older brothers
27:56
Speaker 1: who were drafted and who also could be drafted now.
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Speaker 1: So BC offensive lineman Alec Lyndstrom has a father who
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Speaker 1: played in the NFL and made a Pro Bowl and
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Speaker 1: an older brother who is in the NFL named Chris.
28:11
Speaker 1: And then Michigan State fullback Connor Hayward as a father
28:15
Speaker 1: Craig Ironhead Hayward, who of course was in the Pro
28:18
Speaker 1: Bowl and has a big brother, Cam Hayward, who is
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Speaker 1: the great defensive lineman for the Steelers, who as well
28:24
Speaker 1: has made the Pro Bowl. I don't believe that either
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Speaker 1: of these young players are going to be first round picks.
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Speaker 1: Though you think Kenny's first quarterback off the board. I do, actually,
28:35
Speaker 1: but let's get back. Let's get back to this one.
28:36
Speaker 1: So anyway, some of the other father son combos that
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Speaker 1: are drafted in the first round. The Steelers have another one,
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Speaker 1: Devin Bush, who's their middle linebacker. Devon Bush Jr. Was
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Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand nineteen. Is dad. Devon Bush also
28:47
Speaker 1: was drafted in nineteen. Jamal Adams two thousand seventeen. His
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Speaker 1: dad George Adams Night five. Of course, Jake Matthews and
28:54
Speaker 1: Bruce Matthews, Craig and Cam Hayward. As I just said,
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Speaker 1: mark Ingram, his dad was also a first round pick.
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Speaker 1: Claim Matthews Jr. In Clay Matthews, they were both first
29:04
Speaker 1: round picks. Kellen Winslow Jr. And his dad Kellen Winslow,
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Speaker 1: we're also first round picks. And then of course the Mannings,
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Speaker 1: as we said, and the Boss. Okay, this is purely
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Speaker 1: an opinion. There's no wrong answer, right answer, But I
29:18
Speaker 1: will ask you the question add before we wrap up
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Speaker 1: this show, the best father son combo in pro sports,
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Speaker 1: because there's one that comes to mind, but I think
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Speaker 1: the Mannings might have it. But I don't to me.
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Speaker 1: The griffis I was literally going to say that. I
29:35
Speaker 1: can't believe you took it out of my mouth like that.
29:38
Speaker 1: I love how I asked you the question that I
29:39
Speaker 1: as before giving me a chance to answer. I was
29:43
Speaker 1: giving you time. I was, that's what like, you know
29:45
Speaker 1: what good friend does like that? You know, Okay, give
29:48
Speaker 1: them time to the NBA, the NFL and Major League
29:51
Speaker 1: Baseball that quickly, plus like maybe golf and tennis and
29:55
Speaker 1: some other things. All right, great, thanks Mike. Alright, add
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Speaker 1: the one thing that I think we can say we
30:00
Speaker 1: both learned in this podcast, not only draft related, but
30:04
Speaker 1: just life related. Janett X is a real thing. Hype
30:09
Speaker 1: around the draft. It's going to be a ton of
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Speaker 1: fun Vegas, ap A d D. You've been covering pro days,
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Speaker 1: I've been covering Pro days. I know we will be
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Speaker 1: glued to the television hopefully. Actually no, I will be
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Speaker 1: working in studio at dB. I don't know if you're
30:21
Speaker 1: going to head to Vegas for the Draft, but nonetheless,
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Speaker 1: I know everyone we went through the television ratings a
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Speaker 1: little bit earlier on the show. I would imagine a
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Speaker 1: lot of eyeballs. The future of the league we will
30:31
Speaker 1: be a front row seat for in Vegas once again.
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Speaker 1: NFL Network. You can catch it on April and you'll
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Speaker 1: definitely have a lot more information at your draft party
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Speaker 1: to share with all your friends. Thank you everybody for
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Speaker 1: joining us. That was the NFL Draft. Explain