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Speaker 1: Juss the good report.
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Speaker 2: Tonight. The Prime Minister under a huge pressure today about
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Speaker 2: why police wouldn't tell him about a terrorism plot against Jews,
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Speaker 2: and I know they didn't tell him. Plus amazing waste
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Speaker 2: from our foreign affairs bureaucrats. You will not believe the
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Speaker 2: list of just dug up like operas in the language
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Speaker 2: of a Finnish tribe. Also tonight, Chris Bone laughs off
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Speaker 2: more warnings that his green energy plans are in tatters.
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Speaker 2: But first, now, all day I've heard that Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: really has gone mad, crazy, dangerous. He wants to take
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Speaker 2: over Gaza. He wants America to actually own Gazah. Well,
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Speaker 2: today the new US resident met Israeli pro Minis of
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Speaker 2: Benjamin that you know, for talks and emerged an hour
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Speaker 2: later with his boldest and most dangerous idea yet. Trump
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Speaker 2: announced the plan that only a real estate developer or
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Speaker 2: maybe a colonialist could have thought of, so supposedly end
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Speaker 2: a lifetime of war between Israel and the Palestinians of Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Now in ruins are the Hamas Terrists who've run Gaza
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Speaker 2: for years started yet another of their jewe hating wars
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Speaker 2: to kill Israelis. We'll own it.
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Speaker 3: And be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous, unexploded
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Speaker 3: bombs and other weapons on the site. You can't live
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Speaker 3: in Gaza right now, and I think we need another location.
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Speaker 3: I think it should be a location that's going to
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Speaker 3: make people happy.
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Speaker 2: Now. Trump made it sound so simple, moving out two
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Speaker 2: million Palestinians from Gaza and moving in the developers. It's
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Speaker 2: even simpler to say, of course, that Trump has gone nuts,
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Speaker 2: as so many people immediately did. Yet there were a
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Speaker 2: couple of things he said in this spit, in particular,
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Speaker 2: I don't know you've a listened.
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Speaker 3: You have to learn from history, history has, you know,
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Speaker 3: just can't let it keep repeating itself. We have an
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Speaker 3: opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. And I
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Speaker 3: don't want to be cute, I don't want to be
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Speaker 3: a wise guy. But the riviera of the Middle East,
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Speaker 3: this could be something that could be so bad. This
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Speaker 3: could be so magnificent. But more importantly than that is
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Speaker 3: the people that have been absolutely destroyed that live there
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Speaker 3: now can live in peace, in a much better situation
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Speaker 3: because they're living in hell.
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Speaker 2: That's true. This plan is not just wild, unprecedented, but
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Speaker 2: also dangerous, So dangerous and almost certainly unlawful under the
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Speaker 2: international law. I mean, the US just taking over Gaza.
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Speaker 2: No wonder our Minnesota was stunned today, unable to say
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Speaker 2: whether he backed Trump's plan or not, not wanting to
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Speaker 2: offend Trump and I wanted to get behind history either
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Speaker 2: and not wanting to back an idea that Trump might
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Speaker 2: scrap tomorrow.
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Speaker 4: Whatever I've said before, though, I don't intend to have
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Speaker 4: a running commentary on the President of the United States' statements,
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Speaker 4: hounds not a dialogue. Well, if you let me answer,
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Speaker 4: what I would say is an Australia's position is the
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Speaker 4: same as it was this morning, as it was last year,
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Speaker 4: and it was ten years ago, and it was under
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Speaker 4: the Howard government. The Australian government support and a bipartisan
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Speaker 4: basis a two state solution in the Middle East.
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Speaker 2: Now Here are just some of the obvious problems that
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Speaker 2: have got Trump critics out of their minds. Do many
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Speaker 2: Palaestinians even want to leave Gaza? If not, how would
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Speaker 2: Trump make them? Where would they even go? Our countries
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Speaker 2: like Jordan's so they don't want to take Palestinians and the
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Speaker 2: US shure won't. Trump was saying, oh, we'll look you know,
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Speaker 2: maybe Egyptian Jordan, the leaders will look into their hearts.
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Speaker 2: But really, who'd want the trouble of the Palestinians that
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Speaker 2: must sympathizers among them. Then there's this. Only a fool
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Speaker 2: could ignore that Trump's plan actually means creating American territory
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Speaker 2: out of a patch of land crawling already with terrorists.
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Speaker 2: I mean, even now you check the release of the
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Speaker 2: hostages over the last few weeks, Hamas, terrorists still everywhere
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Speaker 2: crawling out of the ground, even after sixteen months of war.
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Speaker 2: With Israel now turning Gaza into an American territory, that's
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Speaker 2: just going to turn America into a frontline state in
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Speaker 2: one of the world's most violent areas. Every Islamus terrorist
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Speaker 2: in the Middle least would now have an American target
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Speaker 2: very handily in their backyard. Suh. Well, Israeli priminis has
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Speaker 2: sounded vaguely positive, but he did have Trump standing next
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Speaker 2: to me.
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Speaker 5: You cut to the chase, you see things others refuse
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Speaker 5: to see, You say things others refuse to say. And
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Speaker 5: on after the jaws drop, people scratch their heads and
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Speaker 5: they say, you know, he's right, And this is the
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Speaker 5: kind of thinking that enable us to bring the Abraham Accords.
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Speaker 5: This is the kind of thinking that will reshape the
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Speaker 5: Middle East and bring peace.
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Speaker 2: But of course, yeah, who would also talk this up
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Speaker 2: for another reason? I mean, Trump's just solved these problems.
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Speaker 2: I mean, here is Trump saying America will now take
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Speaker 2: over security in Gaza and take over its rebuilding. In fact,
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Speaker 2: Trump has already threatened to sending you as troops that
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Speaker 2: clean up Hamas.
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Speaker 3: We'd like to get all of the hostages, and if
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Speaker 3: we don't, will just make us somewhat more violent.
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Speaker 2: So those are just some of the problems. You hear them, monionless,
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Speaker 2: repeat and legitimate. And we could also talk about the
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Speaker 2: bad example the Trump is setting for Russia's putin a
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Speaker 2: Chinese jijingping, you know, go ahead, take over someone's country.
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Speaker 2: And that, of course is why Trump is being abused.
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Speaker 2: And we should let me underline it again, We should
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Speaker 2: not rule out this being another Trump bluff, you know,
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Speaker 2: scaring the Arab world is solving this mess in Gaza themselves.
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Speaker 2: America will come if you don't get your own house
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Speaker 2: and audit. Who knows, But something Trump said today is
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Speaker 2: so true. Can Gaza really go on like this? This
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Speaker 2: endless cycle, a mass massacres Jews, Israel hits. We pay
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Speaker 2: for the rebuild of Gaza. How must say, massacre's Jews again, Israel,
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Speaker 2: it's back again, we pay for the rebuild again. That
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Speaker 2: kind of bloody circus has gone on for generations. So
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Speaker 2: you say Trump's plan is crazy, that's very easy to say.
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Speaker 2: And you know, in fact Garza should actually be the
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Speaker 2: riviera that Trump describes is in a beautiful part of
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Speaker 2: the Mediterranean. I went past that last year. Do Palestinians
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Speaker 2: really now want to live in the rubble of a
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Speaker 2: dead end territory instead locked forever in a cycle of
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Speaker 2: hatred and bloodshed? So you mocked Trump's plan, I repeat,
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Speaker 2: that's easy. But you tell us the better plan that
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Speaker 2: lets Israel live and that stops this forever war, that
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Speaker 2: is about impossible. Joining me is Ron Deine, editor in
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Speaker 2: chief of The Spectator's thread, the host of Outsiders every
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Speaker 2: Sunday here on Sky News at nine am Plus, has
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Speaker 2: now got his own show on Fridays that is doing
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Speaker 2: very very well. Rowan Donald Trump was attacked straight off
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Speaker 2: the bat by people who don't have a better play
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Speaker 2: In your response.
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Speaker 1: Well, my response is Andrew today was one of the
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Speaker 1: great days that we should we will look back in
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Speaker 1: decades to come and go what this was one of
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Speaker 1: the most amazing days in history. I was thrilled. Unlike
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Speaker 1: the other people you spoke to, whoever they were, Andrew
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Speaker 1: I was absolutely swinging from the chandelier and cracking the
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Speaker 1: bubbly and saying, this is just an amazing day. And
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Speaker 1: the reason being a couple of things. You've pointed out
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Speaker 1: some of the flaws, but those floors are you know,
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Speaker 1: are not insurmountable. For a start, America has done this before.
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Speaker 1: America rebuilt Japan after World War Two. It rebuilt you know,
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Speaker 1: it helped rebuild South Korea. It helped rebuild obviously Europe
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Speaker 1: after World War two. So America has skin in the
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Speaker 1: game when it comes to rebuilding successfully places that were
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Speaker 1: hell holes after a devastation situation.
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Speaker 2: So there's that.
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Speaker 1: Secondly, Donald Trump is a real estate developer. Obviously he
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Speaker 1: saw the opportunity there. And if he can see that opportunity,
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Speaker 1: so too can the other Arab nations and other neighbors
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Speaker 1: in that neck of the woods. They will recognize the
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Speaker 1: value of the real estates and that that offers a
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Speaker 1: huge incentive to pour money in. Now you mentioned the
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Speaker 1: legal situation and the situation of the Palestinians on the ground. Well,
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Speaker 1: the first thing the legal situation is, let's not forget
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Speaker 1: the history. Gaza was basically left over after the Yom
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Speaker 1: Kapu War. The Israelis didn't particularly want it, but they
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Speaker 1: were left with it because they'd driven the Egyptian army
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Speaker 1: back across the Sinai. They offered it to Egypt. Egypt
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Speaker 1: said no, thanks, we don't want it. They offered it
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Speaker 1: to Jordan. Jordan said no, we're not interested. So Israel
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Speaker 1: was kind of left holding the baby, as it were,
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Speaker 1: and as one of the most extraordinarily generous, and I
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Speaker 1: must say at the time I thought foolish, Israel did
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Speaker 1: what the world had been begging it to do, which
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Speaker 1: was it handed across to the Palestinians land for peace.
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Speaker 1: In other words, his this beautiful piece of real estate, greenhouses, farms,
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Speaker 1: abundant fertile land right on the ocean. Here, it's yours.
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Speaker 1: You have it, there's the land, give us the peace.
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Speaker 1: What did they get in return? They've had years and
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Speaker 1: years of bloodshed resulting in the you know, culminating the
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Speaker 1: most atrocia, atrocious, vile, degrading atrocities that the world has
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Speaker 1: seen really since the Second World War. The families of
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Speaker 1: Jews who had given jobs to those Palestinians in Gaza
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Speaker 1: as gardeners, plumbers, et cetera, et cetera, were butchered with
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Speaker 1: the very information that those people had given. So the Palestinians,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, forfeited any right to Gaza, certainly on
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Speaker 1: October seventh, and if not before that when they originally
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Speaker 1: voted in harmas a terrorist organization to lead them. The
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Speaker 1: Palestinas have no rights there, no moral rights whatever, legal
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Speaker 1: rights that will be sorted out, But you don't give
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Speaker 1: someone a nation like that and then they turn around
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Speaker 1: and abuse you and abuse the spirit of what that
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Speaker 1: gift was. So that's Adam.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know someone will be feeling an emotional right.
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Speaker 2: Someone will you know, they'll be feeling the putting roots there.
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Speaker 2: But this goes back to one of the big frauds Rowan.
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Speaker 2: For about seventy five years, the world, including Australia, has
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Speaker 2: been funding people who say they're palacing your refugees from
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Speaker 2: Israel if they're younger than seventy five. They did not
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Speaker 2: flee Israel. They were born where they are. When is
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Speaker 2: this going to end? I mean, there's been so many
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Speaker 2: huge refugee groups, the Greeks and the Turks about one
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Speaker 2: hundred years ago, the Germans from easn Europe after World
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Speaker 2: War II, Jews from all around the Middle East that
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Speaker 2: were kicked out they've had to resettle. This is the
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Speaker 2: one group that the UN specifically protects and feeds the
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Speaker 2: fantasy that they can go back to Israel one day.
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Speaker 2: This would end that false hope. So there's a lot
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Speaker 2: to this that a lot of people go ahead, you
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Speaker 2: put your finger on it.
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Speaker 1: Andrew and Donald Trump's withdrawn from the UNHCR and UNRWA
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Speaker 1: just before, and the World Health Organization. So the threat
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Speaker 1: to the United Nations is that Donald Trump will withdraw
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Speaker 1: US funding to the United Nations if they don't play ball.
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Speaker 1: You watch, the United Nations will step into line. They
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Speaker 1: will go along with this deal. I'll kick it up
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Speaker 1: a fuss and all the rest of it. They will
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Speaker 1: go along with it. They will sanction it, and there
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Speaker 1: you will have your legal standing following that.
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Speaker 2: It's just so amazing, Rowan, when you think you know
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Speaker 2: it's only Trump's only been there a couple of weeks
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Speaker 2: and you know, for three weeks and bang, you know,
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Speaker 2: it's just the world has been turned on its axis.
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Speaker 2: Is just unbelievable. Now, that's made a lot of leaders
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Speaker 2: in the West look a little weak in comparison, for
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Speaker 2: good or bad. I see a lot of conservatives now
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Speaker 2: here saying why isn't Peter Dutton as bold as Donald Trump?
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Speaker 2: Now personally, I think this ignores some important differences between
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Speaker 2: American and Australia, between a president and a parliamentary leader,
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Speaker 2: all that sort of thing. But what do you say,
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Speaker 2: what do you say, should Peter Dutton be more like
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Speaker 2: a Trump?
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Speaker 1: One hundred percent? Andrew and we saw the most successful
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton has ever been was in the voice and
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Speaker 1: that's when he was one hundred percent Trump like. Sure,
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Speaker 1: he took a while to arrive at the decision, that
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Once he arrived at the decision, he was firm.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't swayed by the woke mobs, He wasn't swayed
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Speaker 1: by the ABC. He stood firm. He had just Senter
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Speaker 1: Price behind him or on Mundane and others. They fought
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Speaker 1: from a position, a losing position right the way through
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Speaker 1: to a winning position that was Peter Dutton being Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: If he does that on every single issue, and I've
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Speaker 1: said this many times before, on every single cultural issue, transgenderism,
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Speaker 1: climate change, net zero, he will win in a landslide.
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Speaker 1: The disappointment to me is that he's walked away on
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Speaker 1: that zero and he doesn't appear to want to engage
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Speaker 1: in the transgender issue. I think that is a big mistake.
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Speaker 1: I think he should be taking the leaf out of
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump's playbook. And there are enough people, there's a
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Speaker 1: sixty forty majority on every single cultural issue to the
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Speaker 1: conservative side of politics in this country. If Dutton goes
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Speaker 1: for that, if he mimics Trump, he will win a landslide.
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Speaker 1: If he doesn't, we will end up with some kind
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Speaker 1: of minority. God knows what.
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Speaker 6: Will end up with.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me just give you a couple. I think
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Speaker 2: he should go further than he has. I agree with
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Speaker 2: you there quite that way. I don't know. For one
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Speaker 2: he Trump is a one man band as a president,
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Speaker 2: you're a one man band. You know, he didn't have
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Speaker 2: to bring colleagues with him. Dutton does is inherited a
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Speaker 2: liberal front bench, as you know, has got or not
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Speaker 2: the whole lot has got still a lot of wets
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Speaker 2: in there. A lot of people on the left cultural
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Speaker 2: left are people who have got lazy under the years
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Speaker 2: of you know, Turnbull and Morrison don't know how to
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Speaker 2: argue on the culture wars. They take their accues from
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Speaker 2: the Fairfax Press or the x Press and the ABC.
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Speaker 2: They're three flag liberals. He would ever revolt on some
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Speaker 2: of this. Oh, then the party's divided, so it can
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Speaker 2: only go so far. And I'll tell you what he's
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Speaker 2: done pretty well on what is done to date.
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Speaker 1: He certainly has. But again the voice was the victory.
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Speaker 1: That was where the people of Australia went, Yes, we
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Speaker 1: support this crew, we are behind him. He's a fighter.
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Speaker 1: He will fight for our values. He will fight against
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Speaker 1: his woke nonsense that we're all fed up with. That's
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Speaker 1: when he won his most successful victory. He needs another
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Speaker 1: victory like that at the next election. The people of
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Speaker 1: Australia need that victory and they will support a fighter.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry there were Bedwetters and the others in
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party who can't see that they deserve the
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Speaker 1: you know what will come their way if they don't
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Speaker 1: get fully behind the anti Woker gender that is sweeping
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Speaker 1: the West, that will sweep Albanisi in the teals out
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Speaker 1: of power. It just needs politicians to stand up like
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Speaker 1: just Enter Price like Peter Dunton did in The Boys
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Speaker 1: and argue the case or common censusles.
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Speaker 2: Point well, I will have a few pointers fortunes Enter Price.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned that most excellent politician, one of the hopes
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Speaker 2: of the side of the coalition side. I'll have some
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Speaker 2: hints for her later in the show. Rowan Deane, thank
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Speaker 2: you as always for your time. Now before we get
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Speaker 2: back to more onto local politics, I mean the heat
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Speaker 2: on Anthony i'mp and easy today. Did he have a
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Speaker 2: torrid time in parliament over that caravan bomb? Sween, I've
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Speaker 2: got to tell you about that. You know, if you're
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Speaker 2: a little older, you grew up thinking, oh, that's the
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Speaker 2: land of Aberts. Have I cares of social democrats and
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Speaker 2: sweet and it's turned into a security nightmare. Overnight, a
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Speaker 2: gunman shot dead ten people at an adult educational institute
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Speaker 2: in the worst mass shooting in Sweden's history. In a
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Speaker 2: warning you might find this distressing, Oh my god, Now
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Speaker 2: we don't know the killer's identity yet or motive. There's
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Speaker 2: a speculation online almost certainly half of it's wrong. Is
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Speaker 2: this another insthemus attack? Is it won by a right
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Speaker 2: wing extremist? I mean, I'd suggest that might be quite likely,
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Speaker 2: given that this institute also held classes for learning Swedish
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Speaker 2: immigrants were there? Or is it just a crazy loaner.
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Speaker 2: Police won't say. They just say he is a loaner
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Speaker 2: and he wasn't part of a gang. But that's it. Nevertheless,
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Speaker 2: put that to one side. What this is highlighting, whoever
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Speaker 2: it is, is swing's astonishing violence now often involving ethnic
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Speaker 2: crime games. Now Sweden has had some thirty one bomit
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Speaker 2: hacks in January alone, and they were just powerful firecrackers.
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Speaker 2: Some of them were real bombs grenades. Even now last
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Speaker 2: year a bomber day on average, just about a bomber day. Now,
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Speaker 2: Sweden also has the highest gun murder rate in Europe.
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Speaker 2: Last year forty people shot dead at a country of
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Speaker 2: only ten million people, and last week in the Iraqi
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Speaker 2: dissident who had burned the Qoran in protest, he was
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Speaker 2: also assassinated. Now, this problem is so bad, especially Subebs
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Speaker 2: of many immigrants, that Sweden's Prime minister even ordered the
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Speaker 2: army in to help. Not that the bombings and killings
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Speaker 2: have stopped. And it's not just Sweden that sit with
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Speaker 2: this rising violence. It's throughout Scandinavia as well and parts
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Speaker 2: of Europe. Joining me from Oslo as journalist Rebecca mster Regan,
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Speaker 2: who has been documenting crime and immigration in Scandinavia. Rebecca,
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Speaker 2: great to see you, Thanks for coming on. Look, like
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Speaker 2: I said, we know the identity of the shooting, right,
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Speaker 2: so put that to one side. But the wider problem
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Speaker 2: of shootings and bombings in Scanada, but particularly in Sweden.
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Speaker 2: What is this telling you?
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Speaker 7: So?
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Speaker 8: Sweden has a huge problem with violence, bombings, grenade as grenades.
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Speaker 8: As you mentioned, they have so many immigrant gangs. They
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Speaker 8: have opened their borders for immigration and this has been
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Speaker 8: a catastrophe for Sweden. This is not something that has
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Speaker 8: happened in the lat past ten years. This has been
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Speaker 8: going on for quite some time. You said it perfectly
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Speaker 8: when describing Sweden. What we think of Sweden as a
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Speaker 8: sort of socialist or social democratic utopia that you look
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Speaker 8: to for solutions where you include all the people in
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Speaker 8: your nation and you want to make it beautiful politically
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Speaker 8: and inclusive. But The problem is that that is not
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Speaker 8: the reality of Sweden. It has been bad for years,
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Speaker 8: and already in the nineties we had politicians talking about
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Speaker 8: what we in Norway called the Swedish conditions, which is
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Speaker 8: a very polite way to put forth problems with violence
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Speaker 8: and gangs and immigration. Sweden is also one of the
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Speaker 8: I think it still is might be competing with the
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Speaker 8: UK right now to be the rape capital of the West,
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Speaker 8: and it has been like that for a long time.
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Speaker 8: It's interesting to see the government authorities and the left
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Speaker 8: wing newspaper's reaction to what happened in Sweden yesterday with
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Speaker 8: this mass shooting where ten people were shot dead and
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Speaker 8: the eleventh is the perpetrator himself. How much they talk
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Speaker 8: about how tragic this is. But Sweden is have been
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Speaker 8: a war zone for years now, and January alone, like
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Speaker 8: you mentioned, had over thirty bombings. They had three shootings
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Speaker 8: in one day two days ago. This is a war
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Speaker 8: zone that is ongoing and has been ongoing for quite
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Speaker 8: some time.
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Speaker 2: It's been so interesting to see Sweden, Norway and Denmark,
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Speaker 2: the whole of Scandinavia basically reacting to this crime, to
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Speaker 2: this particular problem over the years by getting very very
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Speaker 2: tough on the immigration well Denmark in particular. How's all
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Speaker 2: that going? Is that now a real issue with the public.
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Speaker 2: Do they want these measures?
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Speaker 8: That depends on who you ask. I think you must
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Speaker 8: remember that all the Scandinavian countries are high trust societies.
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Speaker 8: We have had a beautiful we have beautiful nations for
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Speaker 8: many years. It's been safe, it's been a place where
22:03
Speaker 8: you can thrive as a woman. You know that it
22:07
Speaker 8: is a social democratic place, the entire Scandinavia. But with
22:13
Speaker 8: migration and open borders and all this happening over time,
22:20
Speaker 8: like the frog being boiled alive, so to speak, this
22:25
Speaker 8: has kind of snuck up on a lot of people.
22:27
Speaker 8: But the high trust society still is a thing here.
22:33
Speaker 8: People not trusting the government or authorities is not very likely.
22:38
Speaker 8: Of course, more and more people are starting to doubt
22:41
Speaker 8: what they're saying. Like looking at Sweden right now with
22:44
Speaker 8: this huge case, you have ten people dead and they're
22:48
Speaker 8: not disclosing anything about the shooter. We don't get enough information.
22:53
Speaker 8: They ask us not to speculate, But of course, in
22:56
Speaker 8: this public interest you need to release that in mission
23:00
Speaker 8: so you don't get a new Southport incident. This is
23:04
Speaker 8: what is happening right now. I don't know why they're
23:06
Speaker 8: hiding it, but yes, a high trust society, so.
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Speaker 2: Yest already it fills the vacuum. You know a lot
23:17
Speaker 2: of theories, et cetera, et cetera. I don't know this
23:21
Speaker 2: particular case, which is horrible, what the reason is, but
23:24
Speaker 2: looking at the broader picture of what Sweden has been
23:27
Speaker 2: going through. Dear God, Rebecca, Misterigan, thank you so much
23:31
Speaker 2: indeed for your time after the break. The Prime minister
23:36
Speaker 2: is under huge world, it's under huge pressure today. I mean,
23:39
Speaker 2: why why wouldn't police tell him of a big bomb
23:43
Speaker 2: plot against Jews coalition today absolutely torched the Prime Minister
23:53
Speaker 2: Anthony Ivenezy, something that should embarrass him but also I
23:56
Speaker 2: think should anger him. I mean, why didn't police brief him?
24:00
Speaker 2: And I know they didn't about the caravan that they
24:03
Speaker 2: found filled with explosives in Durall In a caravan of explosives,
24:08
Speaker 2: let's not tell the Prime Minister. The New South Wales
24:11
Speaker 2: Premiere he was briefed, But why wasn't Albanisi until the
24:14
Speaker 2: story broke in the Daily Telegraph nine days later? Now
24:18
Speaker 2: that was one of the here I'll show you one
24:21
Speaker 2: of the first of half a dozen questions put to
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Speaker 2: Albanisi in Parliament today, And I'll give you the start
24:30
Speaker 2: of the first of his half a dozen non answers.
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Speaker 9: When did the Prime Minister first become aware of the
24:39
Speaker 9: planned mass casualty terror attack against Sydney's Jewish community?
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Speaker 4: And I've said that the government has two priorities. The
24:45
Speaker 4: first is keeping Australian safe. The second is making sure
24:51
Speaker 4: that the ongoing investigation, which is ongoing, ongoing prioritizers, not
24:57
Speaker 4: just capturing those people who have been involved.
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Speaker 2: Again and again, Albin Easy refused to say when he
25:08
Speaker 2: was first told about a bum that could have killed
25:12
Speaker 2: a lot of people. And I think it's pretty clear
25:16
Speaker 2: way he didn't want to say, because then it looked
25:17
Speaker 2: like he didn't care enough to make sure the Australian
25:20
Speaker 2: Federal Police did brief him. Well, maybe they didn't trust
25:24
Speaker 2: him enough.
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Speaker 9: Premier Mints was open and honest with the people of
25:29
Speaker 9: New South Wales when he briefed and provided confidence to
25:32
Speaker 9: the public in declaring what day he'd been advised of
25:35
Speaker 9: the planned terrorist attack by this unknown organization or people
25:40
Speaker 9: or individuals. The Prime Minister has been embarrassed because he
25:44
Speaker 9: wasn't advised by the police because they were worried about
25:47
Speaker 9: him leaking the information ahead of any action by the police.
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Speaker 9: Mister Speaker, Let the Prime Minister dispute it, all right,
25:56
Speaker 9: Let him dispute it that fact.
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Speaker 2: I think that might have been a bit unfair there,
26:01
Speaker 2: because I suspect that the police simply didn't occur to them.
26:06
Speaker 2: Didn't occur to them, can you believe it? Which I
26:09
Speaker 2: guess is a reflection on what their assessment was of
26:13
Speaker 2: the premise's interest or lack of so I would have
26:17
Speaker 2: thought that out, but easy would at least bore out
26:19
Speaker 2: the AFP for keeping him in the dark. But I
26:22
Speaker 2: guess he didn't want to do that either, in case
26:26
Speaker 2: they might say something back. I don't know. Joining me
26:29
Speaker 2: is the panel Cameron Milner, Formative stuff, the labor leader
26:32
Speaker 2: Bill Shorten now he's director of GXO Strategy. I keep
26:35
Speaker 2: saying this is crisis management to consultancy, and maybe they
26:39
Speaker 2: should call on Cameron and Michael Costs, a former New
26:42
Speaker 2: South Wales labor treasurer. Michael, how much does this matter?
26:47
Speaker 1: Oh?
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Speaker 10: This matters a great deal, Andrew. I mean, you know,
26:51
Speaker 10: I was in the police portfolio around nine to eleven.
26:54
Speaker 10: So look, I understand that the Prime Minister should have
26:58
Speaker 10: been there's no question about he should have been informed
27:01
Speaker 10: immediately this occurred. I'm surprised he wasn't. I don't know
27:05
Speaker 10: where the blame is on him, and I wouldn't like
27:07
Speaker 10: to speculate about whether it's trust in his abilities. I mean,
27:11
Speaker 10: that's a separate issue, but I think this is a
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Speaker 10: great failure of national security. I'm also surprised that chris
27:18
Speaker 10: Min's didn't ring him. You know, I would have thought
27:20
Speaker 10: that the premier area in South Wales would have rung
27:24
Speaker 10: the Prime Minister. They're in the same party. It raises
27:27
Speaker 10: questions about the the closeness of their relationship. But this
27:31
Speaker 10: is an embarrassing failure, not just an embarrassment of the
27:35
Speaker 10: Prime Minister, an embarrassment of the whole apparatus that had
27:39
Speaker 10: responded in this manner.
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Speaker 2: In fact, chris Min's had a telephone hookup with albit
27:45
Speaker 2: Easy the day after he was briefed to talk specifically
27:48
Speaker 2: about threats to the Jewish community and didn't raise it
27:51
Speaker 2: with the Prime Minister. That said, Cameron, you know one
27:53
Speaker 2: excuse is well, look, police weren't sure that this really
27:57
Speaker 2: was a bomb that was meant to go off. Van
28:00
Speaker 2: had been left for weeks by the side of the
28:01
Speaker 2: road and you know it no detonator. Maybe it was
28:04
Speaker 2: just being just scare, I don't know, still serious, but
28:07
Speaker 2: you know what do you make of this?
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean we will know that Albo is weak
28:14
Speaker 11: and week on Islamic extremism, week on terrorism, this bloke
28:17
Speaker 11: kept playing tennis while a synagogue lay in ruins and
28:20
Speaker 11: smoking in Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: This is the guy.
28:23
Speaker 11: So I think this proves just how relevant he is.
28:25
Speaker 2: And the fact that for nine.
28:27
Speaker 11: Days the authorities didn't even think that might pick up
28:29
Speaker 11: the phone to the Prime Minister just shows how utterly
28:31
Speaker 11: irrelevant Albo has made himself to the fight against terrorism
28:35
Speaker 11: and extremism in our country. And it's an absolute indictment,
28:38
Speaker 11: absolute indictment on this guy holding the role at Prime Minister.
28:41
Speaker 11: To Michael's point, the PM should have been one of
28:43
Speaker 11: the first people briefed. And the fact that after nine
28:46
Speaker 11: days no one thought it was relevant to brief the
28:48
Speaker 11: Prime Minister because Albow holds that role. I tell you,
28:51
Speaker 11: if Peter Dunton gets into that role, they'll be calling
28:53
Speaker 11: him the first moment.
28:54
Speaker 2: They find a bomb in a caravan.
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Speaker 11: With the signs saying go to the Jewish synagogue Andrew.
29:01
Speaker 2: Or that be held to pay. That's the other part
29:04
Speaker 2: of this equation they don't get. Meanwhile, Michael, as a
29:09
Speaker 2: former treasurer, this is very much for you. Labor is
29:13
Speaker 2: attacking Peter Dutton for wanting to let companies with the
29:16
Speaker 2: turnover of under ten million dollars claim business lunches in
29:21
Speaker 2: restaurants as an expense. Now at the moment they can
29:25
Speaker 2: only claim lunches if they're held in house, but their
29:28
Speaker 2: own caterers, their own kitchen. Even Energy Minister Chris Bowen
29:33
Speaker 2: hopped into Peter Dutton.
29:37
Speaker 12: So Peter Dutton reckons that three hundred dollars in bull
29:40
Speaker 12: relief for every Australian household is reckless spending. But billions
29:45
Speaker 12: to subsidize bosses having lunch every day is a great idea,
29:50
Speaker 12: got it?
29:53
Speaker 2: So, Michael, is this liberal policy a vote winner or
29:56
Speaker 2: a vote loser?
29:58
Speaker 10: I think it's neutral. I mean it'd bit of winner
30:01
Speaker 10: obviously with small business, and I think that's what he's
30:04
Speaker 10: aiming at. By the way, that response from Chris Bowen,
30:07
Speaker 10: I mean, no wonder they're hiding him I mean that
30:10
Speaker 10: just turned the whole issue around. I mean that was
30:12
Speaker 10: just pathetic. I mean, the reality is that this is
30:16
Speaker 10: a drop in the ocean. You know, the treasurer is
30:18
Speaker 10: going to lose his economic remaining economic credibility on this issue.
30:22
Speaker 10: The fact of the matter is, in the last twelve months,
30:25
Speaker 10: we've had revenue in this country go up, and that's
30:28
Speaker 10: largely through taxation by about three point six or seven percent,
30:32
Speaker 10: and spending's gone up by nearly seven percent. I mean,
30:36
Speaker 10: he ought to be focusing on the stuff that's under
30:38
Speaker 10: his control rather than playing these silly games. I mean,
30:41
Speaker 10: this is a small beer in the problems that we face,
30:45
Speaker 10: and there's probably a legitimate argument for it, provided they
30:49
Speaker 10: are legitimate expenses and this proper auditing of it. So
30:52
Speaker 10: I think it's a nonsense issue, but it shows me
30:54
Speaker 10: desperation on the economic front.
30:58
Speaker 2: Can we mil that.
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Speaker 4: Well?
31:01
Speaker 11: I think for small businesses and restaurants and hospitality have
31:04
Speaker 11: been doing it really, really hard and really tough. So
31:06
Speaker 11: if it's a minor measure, as you say, Michael, to
31:09
Speaker 11: help out restaurants and cafes, just get a few more
31:11
Speaker 11: meals done for people who are doing a business. Lunch
31:14
Speaker 11: rather than the office at the local cafe. I think
31:16
Speaker 11: it's not a bad idea, and it's only for small business.
31:18
Speaker 2: After all, Trump today come up with an amazing piece
31:23
Speaker 2: plan for Gaza, though I've got to once again say
31:27
Speaker 2: it might just be a bluff, as I showed Anthony
31:30
Speaker 2: Albanizer refused to comment in Trump's plan to actually take
31:34
Speaker 2: over Gaza, remove the Palaesinian people while he does it.
31:39
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm just wondering whether that's excusable in Albanezi,
31:43
Speaker 2: because maybe doesn't want to back something one day that
31:45
Speaker 2: Trump then drops the next How should he play this.
31:49
Speaker 10: Well? I think it was actually a brilliant move by Trump,
31:52
Speaker 10: and I don't think it's a real concrete proposal. I
31:55
Speaker 10: think it's the art of the deal.
31:56
Speaker 2: It's the force.
31:57
Speaker 10: Obviously all of the parties are to sit round to
32:00
Speaker 10: negotiate some sort of solution to the problem. I mean,
32:03
Speaker 10: you know, the prospects and the logistics of him doing
32:05
Speaker 10: what he proposed, I think you are just not possible. However,
32:09
Speaker 10: having said that, in terms of the Prime Minister and
32:11
Speaker 10: the Foreign Minister, they've basically dealt themselves out of any
32:14
Speaker 10: serious discussions on this. They've gone out unilaterally recognized Palestine,
32:19
Speaker 10: independent of any negotiations with the other parties.
32:23
Speaker 2: That are involved.
32:24
Speaker 10: And they've done it through the worst body in the world,
32:26
Speaker 10: the UN, and I think they're just largely irrelevant and
32:30
Speaker 10: their position is less and less credible. Now given what
32:33
Speaker 10: Trump's done, I think something will come out of this,
32:35
Speaker 10: but not necessarily what Trump's proposing. I do think it's
32:37
Speaker 10: a strategy.
32:40
Speaker 2: Alas, we're out of time. Cameron Milner, Michael Costa, thank
32:42
Speaker 2: you both for your time. After the break well, we
32:46
Speaker 2: just showed you Chrispoone having his lunch and that energy
32:50
Speaker 2: minister actually had time to brush off yet more claims
32:53
Speaker 2: today that his green energy revolution has gone bust. I've
33:01
Speaker 2: been warning for so long that Anthony O aneasy is
33:04
Speaker 2: Government's green energy plans are now in chaos. Electricity prices
33:10
Speaker 2: are now killing a lot of businesses, and I told
33:12
Speaker 2: you last night four business groups already warning the government
33:15
Speaker 2: pulled back, pull back on your missions targets and all
33:19
Speaker 2: that get more gas and cole We are in strife,
33:24
Speaker 2: but Enerji Minister Crispon is presiding over this catastrophe. Just
33:28
Speaker 2: slap them down. They're still claiming all as well even
33:32
Speaker 2: though today we've got more warnings. You had the austrain
33:35
Speaker 2: energy producers saying, well, predictions forecasts of gas shortfalls on
33:39
Speaker 2: the East Coast which you've been hearing for a few
33:40
Speaker 2: years are actually being brought forward now. It happened sooner,
33:43
Speaker 2: the former chairman of Energy Australia saying the government's target
33:46
Speaker 2: of going eighty two percent green energy by twenty thirty
33:49
Speaker 2: has to be pushed back to something more reasonable. Joining me,
33:53
Speaker 2: is someone else sound in the alarm? Minerals Council's Chief executive, Tan,
33:57
Speaker 2: you're constable, Tan, You're constable. Thank you so much for
33:59
Speaker 2: your What is the problem with these targets? How much
34:03
Speaker 2: trouble are we in?
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Speaker 7: Well, we always knew that the ambitious targets would be
34:09
Speaker 7: a problem for Australia. And what the Minerals Council of
34:13
Speaker 7: Australian members have been arguing for is affordable, reliable and
34:19
Speaker 7: clean energy and everyone needs to do their bit in
34:24
Speaker 7: making that happen. But business and households need affordable energy, Andrew,
34:30
Speaker 7: and we're not seeing that with the current government's plan.
34:33
Speaker 2: So what's not working? Then? The government said, you know,
34:37
Speaker 2: Bring and Solar were the cheapest power there is, they're
34:40
Speaker 2: putting on more of it. The prices are going up.
34:43
Speaker 7: What's the problem, Well, solo and wind are not the
34:46
Speaker 7: cheapest form of energy. We look at it in business
34:52
Speaker 7: from a whole of systems perspective. So energy sources and
34:57
Speaker 7: the fuels are one part of the equation. You need
35:02
Speaker 7: to look at transmission and distribution and all of the
35:05
Speaker 7: ancillary benefits that come with that. And if you want
35:10
Speaker 7: to make sure that you have a least cost approach,
35:13
Speaker 7: a portfolio of energy solutions with an old grid, particularly
35:19
Speaker 7: on the East Coast of Australia, if we want to
35:23
Speaker 7: make sure that people can afford their power, and we
35:27
Speaker 7: can't afford our power at the moment. Households are showing
35:31
Speaker 7: a lot of strain and businesses are showing a lot
35:34
Speaker 7: of strain. One single narrow pathway that just looks at
35:40
Speaker 7: a renewables mix is not good enough for Australia. We
35:44
Speaker 7: need much more than that, and every energy specialist across
35:49
Speaker 7: Australia will say a portfolio approach is the best way
35:53
Speaker 7: to get clean, affordable, reliable power. We can't afford pet
35:59
Speaker 7: project right now for Australia, and one narrow pathway is
36:04
Speaker 7: not good enough. It's not proving good enough for Australia.
36:08
Speaker 7: If we keep going down this path, we're just going
36:11
Speaker 7: to be poorer and poorer. The rest of the world
36:15
Speaker 7: is now setting a very good example of what you
36:20
Speaker 7: should not do. We can learn from countries like Germany.
36:24
Speaker 7: We can learn from what's been happening in Europe and
36:28
Speaker 7: not make the same mistakes.
36:31
Speaker 2: Well, the issues, isn't it with wind and solar all
36:34
Speaker 2: very well? But when they don't produce the power you
36:36
Speaker 2: want when you need it, that's when you're really in
36:39
Speaker 2: the stook. That and the extra transmission wise is really
36:44
Speaker 2: driving it crazy. Chris Boone has laughed you off. He said,
36:47
Speaker 2: it's not surprising the colon gas lobby wants to sell
36:50
Speaker 2: more coal and gas. Is that all there is to it?
36:54
Speaker 2: That you're just being greedy.
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Speaker 7: Commercial businesses in mining, So the mining industry always want
37:05
Speaker 7: to make sure that energy is affordable. Every business will
37:10
Speaker 7: tell you that, every household will tell you they want
37:13
Speaker 7: affordable energy. And so where technology agnostic. What we want
37:19
Speaker 7: to see is not a single pathway, but the governments
37:24
Speaker 7: look more broadly and not just take a political view
37:27
Speaker 7: of our energy system. That is a poor way of
37:31
Speaker 7: looking at energy in Australia and coal needs to be
37:36
Speaker 7: in the system for quite some time, and I think
37:40
Speaker 7: that the Queensland government now is showing leadership in providing
37:45
Speaker 7: signals that will allow those coal fired powerstations that they
37:49
Speaker 7: own to be maintained over a period of time. Victoria,
37:54
Speaker 7: on the other hand, is I think a basket case
37:58
Speaker 7: at the moment. They have been a basket case for
38:00
Speaker 7: a long period of time. On energy. They have gas
38:04
Speaker 7: supply available offshore and onshore, and the government has not
38:10
Speaker 7: taken a decision to ensure that those gas reserves are
38:16
Speaker 7: broad online. That has left a shortage in the system
38:20
Speaker 7: and relying on just one type of energy, just renewable
38:25
Speaker 7: energy is not good enough and it is going to
38:29
Speaker 7: continue to cause a problem. We're seeing blackouts occurring, We're
38:33
Speaker 7: seeing brownouts are occurring, and that will just get worse
38:37
Speaker 7: over time as we put as we have more people
38:40
Speaker 7: in Australia, we have more businesses like data centers that
38:44
Speaker 7: require a lot of energy. The more and more energy
38:47
Speaker 7: we need, then we need to have that supply to
38:51
Speaker 7: back it up, and we need reliable supply to back
38:54
Speaker 7: it up and firm energy sources like renewables. The single
38:59
Speaker 7: pathway that Australia has is the poorest outcome for Australia,
39:04
Speaker 7: for all Australians. We cannot afford that anymore. We cannot
39:08
Speaker 7: afford the luxury of just a single pathway. Go back
39:12
Speaker 7: to the basics, go back to the fundamentals and creating
39:17
Speaker 7: a situation where we have all energy sources available.
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Speaker 2: Senior Constable, thank you so much for your time.
39:26
Speaker 7: It's a great pleasure to be with you, Andrew.
39:30
Speaker 2: After they break some fun for you. You might remember
39:33
Speaker 2: I said last night, I bet our Foreign Affairs bureaucrats
39:37
Speaker 2: are handing out grants just as crazy and ideological as
39:42
Speaker 2: the ones that got Donald Trump this week to shut
39:44
Speaker 2: down his aid agency. Check and you will not believe
39:50
Speaker 2: what I found. As I was saying to Rowandine earlier
39:57
Speaker 2: in the show, you know, I disagree with a lot
39:59
Speaker 2: of conservatives. Apter Dutt should be much more like Donald Trump,
40:03
Speaker 2: you know, going hard. Quit the Paris Agreement to cut
40:06
Speaker 2: our emission. Say there are only two genders, Dump the
40:09
Speaker 2: World Health Organization, blow the join up. I told you
40:13
Speaker 2: why earlier. I thought that was he didn't know need
40:16
Speaker 2: to go that far too high. Risks et cetera, et cetera.
40:18
Speaker 2: But one thing he could take from Donald Trump is
40:22
Speaker 2: low risk. Last night, I show you Trump's latest call
40:26
Speaker 2: to shut USAID, which hands out American grants overseas, but
40:32
Speaker 2: is clearly captured by the left and hands out grants like.
40:35
Speaker 1: These forty seven thousand for a transgender opera in Colombia,
40:41
Speaker 1: thirty two thousand for a transgender comic book in Peru.
40:46
Speaker 2: Now, I said last night, I bet our own foreign
40:50
Speaker 2: Affairs department isn't any better. Well, I've just checked today
40:55
Speaker 2: and it's not. Here's just some of what I found.
40:59
Speaker 2: It's spending your money on our foreign affairs bureaucrats are
41:03
Speaker 2: spending sixty eight thousand dollars in a creative dialogue of
41:06
Speaker 2: stories and dance between indigenous Moroccan Berber and First Nations
41:12
Speaker 2: in two Moroccan cities. There's also forty thousand dollars for
41:15
Speaker 2: a program managed by Muslim AFL legends Basha Hulli, Adam
41:20
Speaker 2: Sad and ah Mid Sad to hold sports and leadership
41:24
Speaker 2: workshops of twelve AFL Muslim players in the United Arab Emirates.
41:28
Speaker 2: Is that really going to be to our benefit? There's
41:31
Speaker 2: another forty seven thousand for workshops for teachers in Saudi
41:34
Speaker 2: Arabia to promote gender equity when teaching science, technology, engineering
41:39
Speaker 2: and maths. And sixty thousand dollars for opera to create
41:43
Speaker 2: two works in First Nations languages and even present landmark
41:48
Speaker 2: First Nations works by a Sami composer Sami is a
41:52
Speaker 2: tribe in Finland, Sami composer and Marie Pettersen Maga. And
41:56
Speaker 2: there's even thirty thousand dollars for a collaborative First Nations
41:59
Speaker 2: cultural exchange project between Australian Nepal. I think you're seeing
42:03
Speaker 2: a theme develop here. Join me or Daniel Wild, Deputy
42:06
Speaker 2: Executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs and Jemmy Donnini,
42:09
Speaker 2: founder of GT Communications and columnists with the Australian newspaper. Daniel,
42:15
Speaker 2: is this a job for the coalitions use spokesman and
42:18
Speaker 2: government waste senator? Just sent to nam per jumper price?
42:20
Speaker 2: Because for me, it's not just the waste of money,
42:23
Speaker 2: which isn't huge, it's the hijacking. It's the principle, the
42:27
Speaker 2: hijacking of taxpace money to push identity politics and race politics.
42:35
Speaker 13: Well, that's exactly right. I think that'll be the first
42:36
Speaker 13: cab off the rank is you do a complete audit
42:39
Speaker 13: of all the grant programs, Andrew, and there'll be millions
42:42
Speaker 13: and millions of dollars spent on this kind of nonsense
42:44
Speaker 13: that's not in our national interest. And as you say,
42:46
Speaker 13: it's full of this woke uh you know, divisive identity politics.
42:50
Speaker 2: Get rid of all of the DEI workers.
42:52
Speaker 13: Out of the government departments as well. I think there's
42:55
Speaker 13: a bigger thing here as well. And you know, former
42:57
Speaker 13: Prime Minister Tony Abott has been pretty frank about this
42:59
Speaker 13: of the challenges he had when he was Prime Minister
43:02
Speaker 13: with the public service, and that unlike saying the Howard
43:05
Speaker 13: days where okay, they're probably left leaning, but at least
43:07
Speaker 13: they'll get on with the job. That's just not the
43:09
Speaker 13: case anymore. So you are going to have to clean
43:11
Speaker 13: out the public service as well from the top to
43:14
Speaker 13: begin with, and you're going to have to do that
43:15
Speaker 13: on day one and appoint some people that are really
43:18
Speaker 13: going to be on board with the mission of a
43:20
Speaker 13: future you know, democratically elected coalition government. The other thing
43:24
Speaker 13: I'd say, Andrews, we can look back at Trump's first
43:26
Speaker 13: term of what he did, you know, not just with
43:29
Speaker 13: doage now but what he did back then, and have
43:31
Speaker 13: a one in two hour rule where you say, well, okay,
43:33
Speaker 13: you want to bring in a new regulation, you've got
43:35
Speaker 13: to get rid of two that are on the books.
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Speaker 13: You have to impose these, you know, stringent requirements on
43:40
Speaker 13: the bureaucracy in parliament to make sure that we have
43:42
Speaker 13: you know, very deep cuts to red tape and regulation
43:45
Speaker 13: because you know, businesses are just drowning and all this
43:48
Speaker 13: red tape. So I reckon the grants programs are a
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Speaker 13: good place to start, but much more to be done.
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Speaker 2: I know, I know these just gott my go gim
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Speaker 2: an Tonini. You are usually a voice of moderation, tolerance
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Speaker 2: and kindness, so put me right on this one.
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Speaker 6: Well, I actually think you're right ish and by that
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Speaker 6: I think as a leading we aspire to be an
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Speaker 6: international leader, as an international citizen, a member of the
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Speaker 6: international community, and I think Australia has lost its way
44:19
Speaker 6: significantly under the Alban Ezy government. That's an understatement to
44:24
Speaker 6: take your point of the examples that you gave. I
44:27
Speaker 6: have no issue with investing in STEM for young girls,
44:31
Speaker 6: particularly in a place like Saudi that has come a
44:35
Speaker 6: very very long way when when it comes to the
44:38
Speaker 6: rights of women and the education of women and and
44:42
Speaker 6: all that sort of thing. So that for me is
44:44
Speaker 6: something that is well worth investing some of our foreign
44:46
Speaker 6: aid into because you judge a nation on where it's going.
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Speaker 2: And you said that, what's that You just said it yourself.
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Speaker 2: It's come a long way under the U Crown Prince.
44:56
Speaker 2: It's doing it here or there.
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Speaker 6: I don't think our money is neither here nor they're
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Speaker 6: necessarily necessarily but being part it's like my mum used
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Speaker 6: to say, Andrew, we do jobs around the house because
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Speaker 6: we're part of a family that's and we are part
45:13
Speaker 6: of the global community. And if we're going to have
45:15
Speaker 6: our foreign aid budget of sorts, then that is the
45:19
Speaker 6: kind of project I have no issue with. I think
45:22
Speaker 6: all of these, you know, other bits and pieces that
45:24
Speaker 6: you found, and no doubt would find more, would be
45:28
Speaker 6: very much up for the chopping block because they have
45:31
Speaker 6: to have a material benefit. I don't think it's ever
45:35
Speaker 6: black and white, but I thought some of the examples
45:39
Speaker 6: from the Trump administration were absolutely ridiculous and hilarious. If
45:44
Speaker 6: it wasn't so serious.
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Speaker 2: Daniel, another bit of ways that really gets my goat,
45:50
Speaker 2: and I know it's Scott Jemmers too. The Onenzy government
45:55
Speaker 2: promising to pay off twenty percent of people's remaining student debt,
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Speaker 2: which means that one of my children, who paid off
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Speaker 2: all their debt at some effort, now has to pay
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Speaker 2: off someone else's as well. What do you make of this?
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Speaker 13: Well, it's unfair, isn't it. I mean, why should someone
46:15
Speaker 13: who's paid their own way have to pay for someone
46:16
Speaker 13: else's way as well? Why should a tradee pay for
46:19
Speaker 13: someone to do an arts degree. You know, I just
46:21
Speaker 13: think it's unfair. It doesn't stack up. It also goes
46:24
Speaker 13: to this other issue, Andrew, which is, well, you've got
46:26
Speaker 13: a lot of students these days to go to university.
46:28
Speaker 13: A lot of them don't finish, so they're stuck with
46:30
Speaker 13: all of this debt without getting a qualification. And a
46:33
Speaker 13: lot who do finish get a degree, but you know,
46:35
Speaker 13: it doesn't really help them in the jobs market. They're
46:37
Speaker 13: not getting you know, skilled qualifications so they can get ahead.
46:41
Speaker 13: So I can understand why a lot of students are
46:42
Speaker 13: unhappy with the situation. But at the end of the day,
46:45
Speaker 13: the whole idea of university was, well you're going to
46:47
Speaker 13: get a private benefit because you pay for it, but
46:49
Speaker 13: you get a high wage in the long term, and
46:51
Speaker 13: society should get a benefit because tax payers have to
46:54
Speaker 13: subsidize it, whether through hex or through the direct subsidization
46:57
Speaker 13: of courses. But you know that's just not happening now
47:00
Speaker 13: up tax payers really getting a good return out of
47:03
Speaker 13: a university. So I think this is just one example
47:05
Speaker 13: of how universities on what they used to be. And
47:07
Speaker 13: you know, sadly, you know, the idea of just sending
47:10
Speaker 13: more and more people there just isn't stacking up for
47:12
Speaker 13: our society or for the people that are going.
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Speaker 2: Jemma, I praise you for your kindness and your four
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Speaker 2: bear and so now unleash your clause.
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Speaker 6: I mean, this is the dumbest, dumbest idea out of
47:24
Speaker 6: this socialist wasteland of a government. I mean, there's a
47:27
Speaker 6: lot to choose from. So that's saying something. I proudly
47:30
Speaker 6: paid off my own hextead. It took me a number
47:32
Speaker 6: of years. I don't want to be paying for someone
47:34
Speaker 6: to get a degree in comparative gender studies, you know,
47:38
Speaker 6: with interpretive dance on the side and a minor in ukulele,
47:41
Speaker 6: And don't tell me that doesn't happen because I know
47:43
Speaker 6: someone who did a minor in ukulele did not, in
47:46
Speaker 6: fact get paying the ukulele true story, Andrew, it's nonsense.
47:51
Speaker 6: It also devalues it devalues a degree. And like like
47:56
Speaker 6: Dan said, if you're out there and you've done a
47:58
Speaker 6: couple of trades and you've built your business from the
48:00
Speaker 6: round up and you're now paying for some kid to
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Speaker 6: do a university degree, that doesn't it's just nonsense. This
48:05
Speaker 6: government knows the value of nothing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think it's that intergenerational unfairness that really
48:14
Speaker 2: gives me the pip. You know, when you've seen students
48:17
Speaker 2: try to do the right obstemis thing, pay off their debt,
48:20
Speaker 2: others doodle doodledoll and now they get twenty percent knocked off.
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Speaker 2: They think that's that is, that is a tax on
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Speaker 2: being diligent, honest and paying back every cent. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's so wrong. Giment, Tony Daniel Wilde, Thank you
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Speaker 2: very much to you both. That's it from me. Hang
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Speaker 2: on next because Sharry Marksing is up and you do
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Speaker 2: not want to miss this. Good Night,