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Bonus: The Next Incel Killer Already Has A Playlist · DISGRACELAND

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  Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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  Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah me too.
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  Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Disgraceland, the after Party. Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: a little thing we like to call the after party.
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  Speaker 1: This is the show after the show, the party after
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  Speaker 1: the party, the bridge to get you from one full
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  Speaker 1: episode of Disgraceland to the other. The backyard, to dig
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  Speaker 1: into the dirt, our mission to uncover the truth, to
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  Speaker 1: confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about music that the Incell movement loves. What
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  Speaker 1: we're digging into the greatest rock and roll records of
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  Speaker 1: all time. Thanks to our new episode on ACDC rewinding
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  Speaker 1: back to You two and the Murder of Rebecca Schaeffer.
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  Speaker 1: Previewing next week's new episode on Fish, when we get
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  Speaker 1: into your voicemails, text, dms, and as always, a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed,
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  Speaker 1: the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best
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  Speaker 1: history is the history that gets buried. Disgrace Lams where
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  Speaker 1: I tell the stories they didn't want told the kind
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  Speaker 1: he'll end up telling someone else. All right, discos, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into it. In nineteen eighty five, they blamed ACDC
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  Speaker 1: for inspiring serial killer Richard Ramirez. In nineteen eighty nine,
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  Speaker 1: actress Rebecca Schaeffer's murderer Robert John Bardo, claimed you too
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  Speaker 1: compelled him to kill. In twenty eighteen, Scott Barelli walked
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  Speaker 1: into a Florida yoga studio and shot and killed two women,
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  Speaker 1: wounding several others before taking his own life. Music has
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  Speaker 1: always been an easy scapegoat, but it's never the songs.
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  Speaker 1: It's always who the killers already were. Scotparelli was an INCEL,
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  Speaker 1: part of a group of involuntarily celibate men, young aggrieved
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  Speaker 1: dudes who believe the women who reject them and the
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  Speaker 1: more traditionally masculine men who outshine them exist to keep
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  Speaker 1: them down. This is also a group whose members have
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  Speaker 1: killed before and will kill again, and it's a group
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  Speaker 1: that loves music. Jazzy Lupido nine to A eight M
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  Speaker 1: three Me's scissor with one C and a Z. These
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  Speaker 1: are the online user names for the creators of Spotify.
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  Speaker 1: Inceel playlists with titles like Inceell Virgin loser Core, Chronically Online, Autistic,
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  Speaker 1: four Chan, Suicidal and Real Older Brother Niche Weird Kid,
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  Speaker 1: Inceell in the Underground loser Core. If there's one theme
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  Speaker 1: that ties the songs on these playlists together, it's isolation.
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  Speaker 1: Songs like Just by Radiohead Scott Pilgrim versus the World
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  Speaker 1: Ruined a Whole Generation of Women by Negative XP in
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  Speaker 1: the Aeroplane by the Sea by Neutral Milk Hotel, and
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  Speaker 1: an excellent and batshit crazy cover of Dion's nineteen fifty
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  Speaker 1: nine hit Teenager in Love by bird Bath. The music
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  Speaker 1: is angsty and irreverent and lives on the nerdier side
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  Speaker 1: of the street. More Rivers Cuomo and less Kirk Cobaine
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  Speaker 1: and lots and lots of Marssey. The Smiths occupy a
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  Speaker 1: special place in Inceell music playlist culture. There are entire
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  Speaker 1: in Cell playlists dedicated to tunes penned by Stephen Patrick,
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  Speaker 1: Morrissey and Johnny Marr, and it makes sense few bands
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  Speaker 1: in the last fifty years have better captured despair in alienation,
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  Speaker 1: and not to mention the fact that Marssey for much
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  Speaker 1: of his career publicly identified as celibate. When Incell Scott
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  Speaker 1: Barelli killed two women and injured five others before taking
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  Speaker 1: his own life into tallahow Hot yoga studio. He did
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  Speaker 1: so after posting his own music online angry, sneering, hostile songs,
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  Speaker 1: not metal, not hardcore rap, but instead lo fi rejection rock,
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  Speaker 1: rage turned inward, not dissimilar from Radiohead or The Smiths,
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  Speaker 1: or well most of the music populating the in cell
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  Speaker 1: playlist online universe. I'm not suggesting music played a part
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  Speaker 1: in Scott Barelli's motivation, nor am I blaming musicians for
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  Speaker 1: inspiring in cells to murder, but it's only a matter
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  Speaker 1: of time before someone does. The twenty eighteen Toronto van attack,
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  Speaker 1: where a self described inceell murdered eleven in an effort
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  Speaker 1: to incite a so called in cell rebellion. The twenty
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  Speaker 1: fourteen Isla Vista killings, when a twenty two year old
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  Speaker 1: man murdered six and injured fourteen others in an attempt
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  Speaker 1: to punish women who rejected him and the sexually active
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  Speaker 1: men he believed humiliated him. These are just two of
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  Speaker 1: what are numerous examples of in cell killings. Eventually, there
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  Speaker 1: will be more murder committed by young men who are
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  Speaker 1: chronically online, detached from reality, and obsessing over music. Algorithms
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  Speaker 1: now feed grievance faster than ever. Music, like politics and religion,
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  Speaker 1: is just another on ramp for the aggrieved. For those
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  Speaker 1: whom Paul Schrader and Thomas Wolfe once called God's Lonely Man,
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  Speaker 1: it turns out the modern version of God's Lonely Man
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  Speaker 1: has a pretty good taste in music, just like Richard Ramirez,
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  Speaker 1: who envisioned himself as the killer in ac DC's Night Prowler,
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  Speaker 1: and Robert John Bardow, who was obsessed with U two's exit.
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  Speaker 1: But music isn't the murder weapon. Music is the mirror.
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  Speaker 1: Acdc's Night Prowler wasn't a command. When Bond Scott whispered
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  Speaker 1: about slipping into someone's room after dark, he was setting
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  Speaker 1: fictional pulp horror lyrics over a menacing beat. Richard Ramirez
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  Speaker 1: didn't hear instructions on how to kill. He felt recognition
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  Speaker 1: God's Lonely Man, felt seen U two's exit did the
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  Speaker 1: same for Robert John Bardo. Bono wrote, the tune is
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  Speaker 1: a character study of a man undone by violence and
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  Speaker 1: faith the spiritual collapse. But to Bardo, a mentally ill
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  Speaker 1: man obsessed with fame. All he heard was a soundtrack
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  Speaker 1: to his own delusion. The same dynamics at play with
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  Speaker 1: modern inceell music. These playlists don't inspire violence, they reflect it.
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  Speaker 1: They echo the delusions of the men obsessing over them.
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  Speaker 1: The music isn't radicalizing them, it's validating their despair. Again,
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  Speaker 1: the music is the mirror, not the weapon. The problems
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  Speaker 1: consuming the in cell community go much deeper than music.
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  Speaker 1: These are young men raised online, coddled and medicated as
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  Speaker 1: children brought up in low to no state social environments,
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  Speaker 1: and who are helplessly unequipped to function in the real world.
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  Speaker 1: Outcasts as alienated as the musicians whose songs fill their playlists.
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  Speaker 1: It's only a matter of time before they kill again.
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  Speaker 1: And when they do, people will eventually point to in
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  Speaker 1: cell music as a scapegoat and smash the mirror instead
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  Speaker 1: of looking into what it shows us, and that will
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  Speaker 1: be a disgrace. I'll be back after this with your calls, texts,
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  Speaker 1: voicemails and more. All right, we are back, and speaking
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  Speaker 1: of the question about music inspiring death and destruction, We're
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  Speaker 1: going to set ourselves away from the dark corners of
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  Speaker 1: the incell Internet and to the Philippines for a little
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  Speaker 1: peeling back of the onion of the my Way killings.
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  Speaker 1: These are the murders inspired by Frank Sinatra's my Way tune.
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  Speaker 1: You know that makes sense. This might be the weirdest
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  Speaker 1: social phenomenon that I've ever heard of. This is the
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  Speaker 1: thing where numerous people in the Philippines were killed in
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  Speaker 1: connection to their performance of this song in karaoke. Bars
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  Speaker 1: Zeth and I knew very little about this until recently,
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  Speaker 1: and we're going to unpack this wild story in today's
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  Speaker 1: at the end of this month. All right, So I
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  Speaker 1: landed on this inceel playlist topic earlier because this week
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  Speaker 1: in Disgraceland, we launched our ACDC par Our two episode
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  Speaker 1: along with rewinding our part one story, and that story
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  Speaker 1: deals with the band being blamed for inspiring Richard Ramirez
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  Speaker 1: the serial killer, and our rewind episode this week is
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  Speaker 1: on you two, and with that episode we have more
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  Speaker 1: killer inspiration with Robert John Bardo and the Rebecca Schaefer Murder.
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  Speaker 1: That you two episode will be available in tomorrow's rewind
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  Speaker 1: spot coming up right after this episode. Lots of music
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  Speaker 1: this week, supposedly inspiring murder. But I'm done talking about that, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about a theme that we hit
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  Speaker 1: on in our new episode, our new ACDC episode this week,
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  Speaker 1: Great rock and roll records, the greatest rock and roll records.
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  Speaker 1: This question was prompted, of course, because acdc's album Back
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  Speaker 1: in Black was, for a minute there the greatest selling
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  Speaker 1: album of all time, not just the greatest selling rock
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  Speaker 1: record of all time, the greatest selling album of all time.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of years later, Michael Jackson's Thriller came along
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  Speaker 1: and topped it, but still Back in Black still sitting
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  Speaker 1: there in the number two spot. So that prompted our question,
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  Speaker 1: what's the greatest rock and roll record of all time?
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna hear your answers here, and I gotta gotta
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  Speaker 1: gotta say, pretty surprised by by the consensus from you guys,
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  Speaker 1: semi consensus from you guys on this topic. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: give you my answer after we hear from you, guys,
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  Speaker 1: vastly different from where you're coming from. Well, let's without
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  Speaker 1: further ado, let's check out Junior in the seven to
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  Speaker 1: one to four.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Jake, this is Junior from the seven to one
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  Speaker 2: four And I believe, and this is just me the
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  Speaker 2: greatest rock album of all time is David Bowie Ziggy,
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  Speaker 2: Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. It's like a visual
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  Speaker 2: for your brain, just perfectly constructed, in a perfect, perfect
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  Speaker 2: story of the fallen Rocks has rock and roll, it
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  Speaker 2: has your power ballads, it has your tragic end and
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  Speaker 2: chift can be played over and over and I could
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  Speaker 2: never get tired of it. Well, thank you for what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing. You are freaking awesome, greatest storyteller ever. I
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  Speaker 2: have a good one, Jake, talk to you later.
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  Speaker 1: Junior. Thanks for the call. I love the Ziggy Startist
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  Speaker 1: album and I love this answer. I love it. I
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  Speaker 1: get the visual component here, the little theater of the
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  Speaker 1: mind that's going on, the theatrics, I should say, the narrative,
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  Speaker 1: all of it. It's tremendous storytelling in this record. There's ballads,
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  Speaker 1: it's a super dynamic sounding album. I love this choice.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have thought of this on my own. It's
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  Speaker 1: not my choice, but I fully understand Jr. Why you're
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  Speaker 1: picking this, and you have some company. Let's hear what
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  Speaker 1: the nine to one success to say.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Jake, this is mister Taylor from Raleigh, North Carolina
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  Speaker 3: calling to answer the question from last week great album
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  Speaker 3: of all time? No skips? And this is a tough
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  Speaker 3: one in its simplicity, as you said. You know, as
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  Speaker 3: a kid grown up in the late eighties and nineties,
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  Speaker 3: born to boomer parents who loved music. But when I
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  Speaker 3: came into this world, they gave me this sense that
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  Speaker 3: all of it had been decided that the Beatles were
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  Speaker 3: the greatest band of all time, and there was no
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  Speaker 3: discussion about it, that all the greatest music had already
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  Speaker 3: been made. So as a kid discovering music myself, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of took offense to this idea and it took
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  Speaker 3: me a long time to come around to it. You know,
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  Speaker 3: It's like kids these days being told that Michael Jordan
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  Speaker 3: is the greatest basketball player of all time. I get
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  Speaker 3: the pushback. I mean, obviously they're wrong, Mjay's the man.
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  Speaker 3: But when I was coming up as a kid, it
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  Speaker 3: took me a long time to get to some of
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  Speaker 3: these great albums. But when I got into my twenties,
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  Speaker 3: I went back with fresh eyes and ears, and I
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  Speaker 3: listened to some of them, and I came to the
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  Speaker 3: conclusion that David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust is probably, if not
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  Speaker 3: the greatest start to finish album of all time. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: there are no skips. It is a concept album, but
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  Speaker 3: every single song is an absolute banger. It's starting with
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  Speaker 3: five years obviously, moon Age, day Dreams, Ziggy start Us,
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  Speaker 3: rock and roll Suicide. The album starts and finishes in
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  Speaker 3: the same way with absolute searing rock. Nick Ronson's guitar
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  Speaker 3: is undeniable. David Bowie is in his element, the greatest
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  Speaker 3: album he's ever made, the greatest character he's ever pervaded,
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  Speaker 3: and it is, in my opinion, the greatest album from
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  Speaker 3: start to finish, no skips, that has ever been recorded.
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  Speaker 3: That's my piece. Thanks a lot, Rocker Roller, All.
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  Speaker 1: Right, before I get into your answer nine one six,
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  Speaker 1: I totally relate to the offense you take at the Hey,
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  Speaker 1: everything's been figured out for you, man, don't worry about it.
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  Speaker 1: We already decided what the greatest records are basically every
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  Speaker 1: fucking music documentary pre nineteen ninety nine about the history
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  Speaker 1: of music or you know, the history of social culture
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  Speaker 1: in America. Anyhow, I love that we have another entry
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  Speaker 1: here for Ziggy start Us coming from the nine to
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  Speaker 1: one six. It's fantastic and this album strikes a chord. Clearly.
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  Speaker 1: You mentioned that it's a concept album. It transcends the
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  Speaker 1: concept album. I think it's more it's just because the
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  Speaker 1: song's on it. I don't think a Ziggy as a
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  Speaker 1: concept album. I know that sounds crazy. It's it's clearly
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  Speaker 1: defined as such, and but it just has such great
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  Speaker 1: single song bangers on it that are that are undeniable,
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  Speaker 1: that can be heard anywhere. You mentioned a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: Them'm not gonna belabor it, but just fantastic. And oh,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, yes, Michael Jordan is the greatest of
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  Speaker 1: all time. They got that one right. All right, let's
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  Speaker 1: check out the on this topic. More on this topic,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to the text machine, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: read this text from the four to seven zero Dave
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  Speaker 1: from Georgia. Dave. Dave wants to go ahead and just
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  Speaker 1: let us know that he's he's nominating tools Eenema, and
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  Speaker 1: I can't argue with you. I mean I could, but
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  Speaker 1: I won't.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: I get it, I get it. You're gonna listen to
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  Speaker 1: this forever. That's what you're telling us, Dave, And you
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  Speaker 1: have every right too. And it's an awesome record. I
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  Speaker 1: don't quite think that it is, uh oh, what you know?
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  Speaker 1: Who am I to say? A lot of people love Tool.
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  Speaker 1: I overlook the Tool fans. I shouldn't. You guys are legion.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this before, particularly around the gender splits
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  Speaker 1: in Tool fandom, and I heard loud and clear from
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  Speaker 1: you guys, So Dave, I appreciate this. Four to seven Oh,
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  Speaker 1: Dave is nominating tools Enema as the greatest rock record.
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  Speaker 1: Let's check out for something different here the three to
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  Speaker 1: one Oh, who writes in the one rock album. If
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  Speaker 1: I could only ever listen to one album again, says
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  Speaker 1: the three one oh, would be Rolling Stone Sticky Fingers,
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  Speaker 1: best album by one of the best bands, that defines
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  Speaker 1: rock and is my go to when I can't select
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  Speaker 1: through all the many records on the shelves, So in
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  Speaker 1: some ways already is my one record to rule them all.
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  Speaker 1: That's from Joe and the three to one, Oh Joe,
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  Speaker 1: I hear you. It's a great one. It's my I
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  Speaker 1: guess it's my second favorite Stones album, uh, Exile being
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  Speaker 1: my first Exile being. You know, there's a handful of
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  Speaker 1: double albums in the history of rock and roll that
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  Speaker 1: are truly great, and Exile to me is one, if
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  Speaker 1: not the greatest. I don't know. I think I like
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  Speaker 1: it more than the White Album I do, I definitely do,
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  Speaker 1: but it's not my favorite rock record. We'll get to
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  Speaker 1: that in a minute. Seven to two four Rights saying, Hey, Jake,
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  Speaker 1: it's Anthony and as I listen at my job as
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  Speaker 1: an insurance accountant to get through the day, you asked
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  Speaker 1: for the best no skip album, and if I had
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  Speaker 1: to say one for my generation, I'm thirty three, I'd
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  Speaker 1: pick American Idiot, genuinely solid start to finish. That's the
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  Speaker 1: green day album American Idiot from the seven two four
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  Speaker 1: Anthony and the seven two four, who goes on to say, though,
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  Speaker 1: my personal favorite no skip that probably won't count as
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  Speaker 1: Alison Chains Jar of Flies EP, You're right, doesn't count's
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  Speaker 1: an EP. It's definitely no skip though, love it. It's
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  Speaker 1: my favorite. Alison Chains too by the way, Uh, good
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  Speaker 1: health to you in yours and later days from the
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  Speaker 1: seven two four appreciate you seven to two four. Before
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  Speaker 1: we move on from this topic, my favorite rock and
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  Speaker 1: roll album is not acdc's Back in Black, but it
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  Speaker 1: is an ACDC album, and I mention it in I
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  Speaker 1: think both are ACDC episodes. It's Poweradge. It's just incredible
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  Speaker 1: for an ACDC album. It's pretty dynamic for a rock
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  Speaker 1: and roll record, not that dynamic. It kind of delivers
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  Speaker 1: over and over again on the same vibe all throughout.
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  Speaker 1: And that is just a dirty ass rock and roll
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  Speaker 1: band that I imagine would just just destroy your night
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  Speaker 1: in the best possible way, where you to just stumble
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  Speaker 1: upon them playing those tunes in a little bar back
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  Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies. I can't get enough of this album.
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  Speaker 1: I've never gotten sick of it. It defines the band
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  Speaker 1: for me. It defines rock and roll for me. And
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: if you want to break down of exactly what I mean,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you can listen to the go back and listen to
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  Speaker 1: the first ACDC episode. I get into it pretty thickly,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, that's my choice. It's it kind of defies
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  Speaker 1: the criterion I set up earlier in the last episode
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  Speaker 1: when I asked this question, I guess it's not that dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, it's not that varied. It kind of
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  Speaker 1: does one thing. But I don't know. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I just fucking love it. I love it and I
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  Speaker 1: can listen to it forever. So there you go. Boring
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  Speaker 1: answer from me, boring, I know, as not as thoughtful
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  Speaker 1: as the Ziggy Stardust answer, but what can I say,
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  Speaker 1: You guys are more thoughtful for me. Speaking of which,
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  Speaker 1: let's check out this text from the two to eight,
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  Speaker 1: who writes, Hey discos. This is Michelle with one L,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm reaching out to tell you what I'm watching
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  Speaker 1: right now. I did watch Black Rabbit, which I thought
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  Speaker 1: was really good, and I finished watching The Monster with
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  Speaker 1: ed Geen, the ed Geen story. But the one that
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  Speaker 1: It's a really really great movie. And the Nurse, isn't
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  Speaker 1: it based on the Nurse? And one flew over the
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  Speaker 1: Cuckoo's nest. Dang, that's fantastic. As I read this, I'm
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  Speaker 1: piecing together that this is actually a message for Zeth,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't care. Michelle with one L you get
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  Speaker 1: a little love here in Disgraceland, as I'm sure you're
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• 20:27
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  Speaker 1: All right, Mac, give me the drake may buzzer beater. Wait,
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  Speaker 1: hold up, actually not yet, I'm always jumping the gun boating.
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• 21:58
  Speaker 1: because I'm afraid. I'm fearful. It's no longer Halloween season,
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  Speaker 1: May takes off out of my new England Patriots backfield
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  Speaker 1: It can't be the Drake May show every damn weekend.
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  Speaker 1: Okay one, He's gonna get killed trying to make plays
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  Speaker 1: with his feet too. You cannot win a super Bowl
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  Speaker 1: out of the trade deadline this week and pick up
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  Speaker 1: the damn football, anything to take the pressure off. But
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: no they didn't. They didn't do anything. They traded for
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Dick bupkisses. What they did as in nothing, not a zilch.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hope they know what they're doing and our quarterback
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  Speaker 3: Matt, how did I do fifty five seconds? Jake got
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  Speaker 3: it under a minute?
• 22:53
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  Speaker 1: I'm not motivated to. I've seen some clips. We've talked
• 23:28
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• 23:33
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  Speaker 1: we've got just a crazy This could have been the
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  Speaker 1: entire full episode. And it's the story that I came upon.
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  Speaker 1: I came to it late. I'll admit I came to
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: it when we first got into researching ac DC, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I read the Jesse Fink book on Bond Scott and
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: there's this insane theory. It's more than a theory. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of evidence that backs this up, a lot
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: of people going on the record and talking about this,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and there's a lot of circumstantial evidence as well that
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: points to this quote unquote theory being true. And it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: the theory that Brian Johnson, the singer on Back in Black,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: was not responsible for writing the lyrics or all of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: the lyrics. Excuse me, with the young brothers, and that
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: prior to his death, Bond Scott had actually finished writing
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: the lyrics to the entire album. Now there's some question of,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: you know, how many of the lyrics he actually did finish. Uh,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: And there's a huge question if this even happened. That
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the Young brothers have denied it over and over again,
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  Speaker 1: but they've also said some things that kind of opened
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the door a little bit. It's a it's a I
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: don't want to say shady, but there's a lot of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: gray area here and it's a fascinating, fascinating topic to
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: discuss and to try and unpack. So that's what we
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: do in the mini episode and Matt give them a
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  Speaker 1: little taste. Given that Back in Black is the second
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: biggest selling record of all time, the matter of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: album's legitimacy is important. Did the band members who are
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: as writing the music for that album actually write the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: music for that album? Yes, and possibly no. Ac DC's
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  Speaker 1: guitarist brothers Malcolm and Angus Young are credited with writing
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  Speaker 1: the music on Back and Black, alongside singer Brian Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: who had just joined the band prior to Back in
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  Speaker 1: Black's recording, As the recently deceased bon Scott's replacement of
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the ten songs on Back in Black. All are credited
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  Speaker 1: to Malcolm Young, Angus Young, and Brian Johnson, and it
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: should be noted that ac DC, Angus Young, and Brian
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Johnson specifically have denied that bon Scott had anything to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: do with the writing of the songs on Back in Black. However,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: this vicious rumor persists that Brian Johnson did not write
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the lyrics for Back in Black, that Bond Scott, prior
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: to dying, had indeed written the lyrics for the songs
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: on the second biggest selling album of all time. Now Again,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: ACDC has vehemently denied this claim, but two of bon
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Scott's girlfriends are on record saying that bon Scott absolutely
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: was writing the lyrics for acdc's next album before he
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: died in nineteen eighty and that next record was, of
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: course Back in Black. In fact, his girlfriend Silver Smith,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: has stated publicly that on the night that Bond died,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Bond was in fact celebrating that he had just finished
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: writing the lyrics for what would become the band's next record,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and the band was set to go to the studio
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: straight away and recording. Now, when these rumors began to surface.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Malcolm Young said point blank that bon Scott had nothing
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: to do with the writing of Back in Black. Angus
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Young said the same thing numerous times, and in his autobiography.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson later said on equipped that he wrote all
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: of the lyrics on Back in Black. He wrote everything,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: but the lyrics on Back in Black. Many seem like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: lyrics Bond Scott would write. She told me to come,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but I was already there. That sounds like a bond
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Scott lyric, It really does, But that doesn't prove anything.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Brian Johnson was literally trying to replace what the previous
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: ACDC singer bon Scott was doing so naturally to please
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: the fans, even if he was doing it unintentionally. He's
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: going to try and do some of the same things
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that the dude who just died who he's replacing, had done.
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  Speaker 1: So when people bring up the fact that the lyrics
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: sound like bond Scott lyrics, it doesn't mean a lot
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to me. However, after bon scott died in very short order,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: in a matter of hours, bon Scott's London apartment was
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: cleared out, his TV, his fancy new VCR machine, his clothes,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: his other personal effects. They were all taken, and so
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: was the notebook that Bond Scott was writing his lyrics.
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• 31:45
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• 31:49
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  Speaker 3: All right.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: On November sixth, twenty fourteen, ACDC drummer Phil Rudd was
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: arrested in what was one of the weirdest examples of
• 32:52
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