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Three friends want to investigate Nolan Wells' death themselves · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine like looking at a GPS tracker on your phone
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  trying to find your outage son. You know, the screen
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  tells you exactly where his device is. It's pinging at
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  a house safely on the mainland, in a totally familiar.
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  Speaker 2: Neighborhood, which is obviously what you want to see exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You breathe this massive sigh of relief, But then you
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  realize your son isn't holding that phone. He isn't at
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  that house at all. He is, I mean, he's ten
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  miles away somewhere on this totally uninhabited barrier island out
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  in the Gulf of Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: It's just a nightmare scenario, it really is.
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  Speaker 1: And the people who brought his phone and his car
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  keys back to the mainland, well, they're telling a story
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  that just it doesn't seem to add up.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So today, for you listening, we are looking at that
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  terrifying space between digital footprint and physical reality.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we are basically discepting a situation that has grown
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  from this localized missing person's report into just a massive
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  national controversy. And for the public record, we are examining
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  the case of eighteen year old Nolan Xavier Wells right.
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  He vanished during a July fourth, twenty twenty six trip
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  to Horn Island, that's a really remote land mass off
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  the Mississippi Gulf coast, and his.
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  Speaker 1: Body was recovered two days later.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the ensuing weeks have just completely transformed this
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  tragedy into honestly a labyrinth. I mean, we're talking civil
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  rights attorneys, defamation lawyers, federal investigators, and just a completely
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  fractured local community, which.
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  Speaker 1: Is why we have a massive stack of sources today.
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  Speaker 2: We do. We're primarily centering on the comprehensive timelines, the
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  news reports, and the legal statements that were all consolidated
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  in the August tenth, twenty twenty six WDSU report.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but before we even touch the timeline of that
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  July fourth weekend, we really need to establish some ground
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  rules for how we are approaching this material today.
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  Speaker 2: That is Yeah, that's a crucial framing point for you.
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  Speaker 1: Listening right now, because it gets intense.
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  Speaker 2: It gets very intense, because this case involves intensely conflicting
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  public accounts, per found grief, and deeply polarize politically charged
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  narrative as regarding race, justice and community privilege.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So because of that reality, this deep dive is strictly neutral.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Our mission today is not to play armchair detective, and
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  it is certainly not to tell you which side to believe.
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  We are just here to impartially unpack the physical mechanisms,
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  the documented timelines, and you know, the specific legal and
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  scientific arguments that are actually contained in the source material.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We just want to show you the architecture of
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  this controversy so you can actually understand why it has
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  become such a massive flashpoint.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. If we're going to understand how
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  a holiday boat trip spirals into a national flashpoint, we
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  really have to start by understanding the baseline, right, Like
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  who is Nolan Wells? And why is the physical geography
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  of where he went so integral to everything that follows?
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  It really is, because it feels like geography is destiny here.
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  Speaker 2: The environment is absolutely a central character today. But let's
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  establish the human element first, right. So Nolan Xavier Wells
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  was born August nineteenth, two thousand and seven. He was
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  an eighteen year old black young man who had just
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  graduated from Ocean Springs High School in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: And from everything in the sources, he was deeply embedded
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  in the local fabric.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really was. He was an athlete, specifically a
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  wide receiver playing football at Southwest Mississippi Community College.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And the accounts from his family and his close knit
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  group of friends, they just paint this picture of a
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  physically fit, vibrant young man with this infectious smile and
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  basically his entire life mapped out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we also really need to look at his
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  established habits because you know, when you were eighteen, your
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  patterns of communication really tell a story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: His parents, Elmore Wansley and Christine Wells Wansley, they went
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  on the record to point out that Nolan was not
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  a stranger to this specific island, like he'd been there before.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But more importantly, he had a really strict baseline behavior.
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  He checked in always, right. He routinely texted or used
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  social media to let his parents know his status or
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  you know, when he was returning. Yeah, he was not
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  a kid who just dropped off the radar to cause
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  his parents' anxiety.
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  Speaker 2: And that baseline of digital communication is the tether we
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  really have to keep in mind today because it's huge. Now,
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  let's look at the other side of that tether the
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  location itself, Horn Island.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so I have to admit when I first read
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  Island get Away for the fourth of July in the sources,
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  my brain immediately built a picture of a standard beach,
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  right of course, like I pictured a boardwalk, maybe a
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  few lifeguards on duty, you know, a concession stand selling
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  over priced water, a little designated swimming area.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to just erase that image entirely, really totally.
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  Horn Island is an uninhabited barrier island. It's situated within
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  the Gulf Islers National Seashore, roughly ten miles off the
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  Mississippi Coast.
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  Speaker 1: Ten miles is far.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and it is accessible exclusively by boat.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: There is zero infrastructure none, none, no bath, no permanent shelters,
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  no medical facilities, no authority figures on standby.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
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  Speaker 2: And furthermore, because of its geographical isolation, cellular service is
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  highly unreliable. It frequently just drops to absolute zero depending
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  on where you're actually standing on the dunes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's completely isolated. But what about the water itself?
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  Because the sources keep mentioning this local term the washing
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  machine effect, right, how exactly does water become a washing machine.
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  Speaker 2: Well, to understand the washing machine, you really have to
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  understand how barrier islands function hydrodynamically. Okay, these islands aren't
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  solid rock, right, They are essentially these massive, migrating sand
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  bars shaped over centuries by the outflow of the Mississippi
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  River and the currents of the Gulf of Mexico. So
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  the underwater topography is just constantly changing. A shallow sandbar
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  you stood on last summer, it might be a fifteen
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  foot drop off today.
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  Speaker 1: So the ground beneath your feet is essentially a moving.
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  Speaker 2: Target, precisely, but it is the interception of the currents
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  that create the real hazard out there. Hot So you
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  have tidal flows pushing water in from the deep gulf,
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  and they collide with long shore currents that run parallel
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  to the beach. Okay, When these opposing forces of water
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  meet over an uneven constantly shifting sand bottom, they create
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  massive turbines. It generates deep, churning rip currents that can
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  just instantaneously pull a swimmer down and out to sea.
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  Speaker 1: It's terrifying, it is.
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  Speaker 2: It totally disorients you. You lose a sense of which
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  way is up, and honestly, even highly conditioned athletes can
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  find themselves overwhelmed in seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so going to Horn Island sounds less like a
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  standard beach day and more like, I don't know, an
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  unregulated offshore burning man mixed with a maritime hazard zone.
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  Speaker 2: That's a pretty accurate way to describe it.
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  Speaker 1: If it's this treacherous and there are absolutely no facilities,
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  why is this the destination of choice for hundreds of
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  teenagers and young adults on the fourth of July.
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  Speaker 2: Because the isolation isn't a deterrent, it is the primary
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  right for youth culture in that region. A barrier island
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  on Independence Day represents a temporary autonomous zone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: You are ten miles away from noise organances from parents
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  from local police cruisers. On July fourth, twenty twenty six,
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  Horn Island was hosting this massive, highly unstructured gathering. I mean,
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  we are talking about hundreds of boats dropping anchor in
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  the shallows, creating the sprawling flotilla.
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  Speaker 1: So it's just a massive network of teenagers waiting from
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  boat to boat in waste deep water.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and the documentation totally confirms that alcohol was highly prevalent,
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  as you'd expect exactly. Witnesses described an escalating party atmosphere
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  under the really intense July heat. So if you take
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  the baseline environment, unpredictable currents, sudden drop offs, zero infrastructure,
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  and spotty cell service right and now you introduce hundreds
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  of young adults, a massive party atmosphere, and alcohol, the
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  margin for error just drops to absolute zero.
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  Speaker 1: So if this island is an own hazard zone with
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  hundreds of unregulated teenagers, how does one specific group go
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  from a standard holiday party to a completely catastrophic maritime
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  emergency in just a few hours.
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  Speaker 2: While we have to look at the GPS and vessel
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  data to rebuild that exact timeline. Right on the morning
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  of July fourth, Nolan and his friends depart a private
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  dock on the mainland at nine to five six am.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, they make.
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  Speaker 2: The crossing and arrive at Horn Island at eleven fourteen am,
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  And for the first few hours it's just a standard
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  holiday outing. They're mingling, waiting between boats, socializing.
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  Speaker 1: But then mid afternoon the situation fundamentally shifts. It does
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  the boat they traveled on suffers a mechanical failure. The
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  sources specify that the Bilge pump fails. Now, for those
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  of us who don't spend our weekends out on the gulf,
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  how critical is a bilge pump.
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  Speaker 2: It is literally the difference between floating and sinking.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Okay, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: A marine bilge pump is a relatively simple, twelve volt mechanism.
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  It's located at the lowest inner point of the boat's hull, okay,
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  and truly take on water, you know, from waves splashing
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  over the bow, from wet passengers climbing in and out,
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  or just from minor leaks.
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  Speaker 1: Right, they get wet, right.
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  Speaker 2: So the bilge pump uses a motorized impeller to suck
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  that accumulated water up and just discharge it overboard.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: If that pump fails, the water just stays.
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  Speaker 1: In the hall, and as more water accumulates, the boat
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  naturally gets heavier sitting lower in the water, which I
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  assume makes it take on even more water.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It also creates something called the free surface effect.
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  Speaker 1: What is that?
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  Speaker 2: So as thousands of pounds of water slosh back and
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  forth in the bottom of the hull, it totally destroys
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  the vessel's center of gravity.
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  Speaker 1: That sounds bad.
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  Speaker 2: It is the boat becomes incredibly unstable ten miles off
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  shore in gulf currents. A failed bilge pump is an
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  absolute top tier emergency, right it triggers a massive response
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  from the group. Around four pm, they place a distress
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  call to see Tow, which is a private marine towing service. Okay,
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  and the situation is sure enough that the Mississippi Department
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  of Marine Resources eventually gets involved in the recovery effort.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we really need to freeze the timeline right there,
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  and rewind just a little bit, sure, because the sources
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  indicate that the window between three pm and four three
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  one pm, which is when the boat finally leaves, is
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  the most scrutinized ninety minutes of this entire saga. Absolutely,
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  where is Nolan while this boat is taking on water?
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  Speaker 2: According to the statements provided by the friends on the boat,
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  they last saw Nolan around three pm. Warren Hudson, who
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  described himself as Nolan's best friend and a brother to him,
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  stated that Nolan chose to remain on the island voluntarily, Yes, voluntarily.
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  Hudson's account is that Nolan was spending time with a
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  young woman he had met out there when the mechanical
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  emergency began. Hudson claims they asked Nolan multiple times to
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  board the boat.
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  Speaker 1: But Nolan allegedly declined. He supposedly told them he would
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  just catch a ride back to the mainland with another
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  group of friends who were also out at the gathering. Right.
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  Huntson noted that Nolan had been drinking, which you know,
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  the lines of the general atmosphere of the day, but
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  that he appeared entirely fine and coherent when he made
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  this decision.
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  Speaker 2: And so the group focuses on saving the vessel. They
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  managed to secure it just enough to leave the island.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: GPS records confirmed the boat departs Horn Island at four
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  three one pm, heading back to the mainland, and they
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  leave without Nolan.
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  Speaker 1: They leave without him, but they leave with his cell
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  phone and his car keys. Yes, let's just pause on
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  that because it feels like a glaring cognitive dissonance.
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  Speaker 2: It is the detail everyone focuses on.
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  Speaker 1: Right, I mean, who leaves their smartphone and their car
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  keys on a departing boat when they're planning to coordinate
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  a secondary ride home from the deserted island with spotty
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  cell service? Yeah, how do you even text someone to
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  say hey, can I jump on your boat? Yeah? Once
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  you finally get back to the mainland, how do you
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  drive your car home without your keys?
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  Speaker 2: That specific detail is the absolute fulcrum of the controversy.
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  It is the single only that shatters the narrative of
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  a routine departure exactly. But to evaluate it impartially, we
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  have to look at the psychology of a crisis. Okay,
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  when a group of untrained civilians is dealing with the
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  sinking boat, cognitive load just skyrockets. Tunnel vision sets in. Right,
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  the human brain stops processing peripheral details and focuses entirely
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  on the immediate threat, which in this case is getting
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  the boat moving and preventing it from going under.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I have to challenge that a bit.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm on a sinking boat and people are screaming
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  and baling water, I might just blindly grab whatever bag
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  is handed to me. Right, So are we projecting malicious
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  intent onto what might just be standard human panic? Like
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  so when yells grab the bags we gotta go, and
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  the keys and phones, it gets swept up in the chaos.
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  Speaker 2: That is the exact defense presented by the psychology of panic.
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  Right wires get crossed during emergencies. However, we have to
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  weigh that against Nolan's baseline behavior.
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  Speaker 1: To check in exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Established that he was highly communicative with his parents. A
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  modern teenager voluntarily separating from his digital connection to the
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  world is incredibly rare, extremely and leaving the keys behind
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  makes the logistics of his alleged plan, you know, finding
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  a ride, getting to the mainland, driving home virtually impossible. Right,
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  So the question becomes does panic override inventory management on
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  a sinking boat? Often? Yes? But does a teenager purposefully
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  abandon his lifeline? That contradiction is what prevents this case
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  from being easily closed in the public eye.
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  Speaker 1: So the sun sets on the fourth of July, the
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  damaged boat makes it back to the mainland, but Nolan
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  isn't there. And for the parents, Elmore and Christine, the
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  evening is just ticking by. They are expecting that standard
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  check in text and they are getting nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, silence.
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  Speaker 1: How does the family bridge that vacuum of information?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the parents utilize the exact digital tether we just discussed.
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  Nolan's mother opens a location tracking up location called Life
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  three point sixty on her smartphone.
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  Speaker 1: So many parents use that.
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  Speaker 2: They do, and this software pings the GPS receiver inside
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  Nolan's phone. But the map doesn't show the phone at
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  the docks, and it doesn't show it out in the gulf.
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  Speaker 1: Where does it show it.
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  Speaker 2: It shows the phone sitting at the mainland residence of
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  one of the friends who had been on the boat trip.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that has to be a psychological earthquake. For
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  a parent. The map says, your son is at a
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  house down the street, but you call and he isn't there. Yeah,
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  you find out the phone is there, the keys are there,
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  but the boy is missing.
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  Speaker 2: And that's when the friends realize Nolan hasn't returned with
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  any other group. The phone and keys are returned to
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  the family, and that night one of the young men
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  from the trip calls Nolan's parents to explain the situation,
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  and the US Coast Guard is officially contacted around eleven
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  PM to report Nolan missing.
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  Speaker 1: And that basically triggers a massive multi agency response the
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  next morning.
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  Speaker 2: It does.
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  Speaker 1: You have the Coast Guard, the Jackson County Sheriff's Department,
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  Harrison County authorities, the National Park Service, Marine Resources, and
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  volunteer civilian armadas like the United Cajun Navy, all converging
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  on the golf.
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  Speaker 2: They execute standard maritime search protocols throughout July fifth, utilizing
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  grid patterns to account for the drift of the golf currents. Right,
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  but on the morning of July sixth, a National Park
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  Service ranger makes the discovery, oh Man, a body is
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  found in the water near the northwestern tip of Horn Island,
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  right along the shoreline, and the physical toll of the
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  marine environment is severe enough that the remains actually must
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  be formally identified using dental records.
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  Speaker 1: That's awful, it is.
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  Speaker 2: It is Nolan Wells.
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  Speaker 1: So the parents are suddenly handed this world chattering grief.
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  They are holding his phone in his keys, agonizing over
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  the fact that he was left behind. Yeah, and in
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  the midst of this shock, local authorities come forward with
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  their initial public stance.
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  Speaker 2: Right so, Jackson County Coroner Bruce Lynn issues a statement
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  indicating there are no obvious signs of foul play.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Sheriff John Ledbetter mirrors this, stating publicly that investigators do
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  not suspect foul play, that the preliminary evidence points toward
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  an accidental drowning, and he makes a specific point to
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  emphasize that the friends who are on the boat are
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  fully cooperating with the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: The speed of that narrative feels incredibly jarring.
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  Speaker 2: It really does.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, within hours of pulling a body from the water,
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  before any deep forensic work is completed, authorities are essentially
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  broadcasting to the public tragic accident in the washing machine currents.
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  Nothing to see here. If you are the family looking
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  at the abandon keys and the like three sixty data,
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  that rapid conclusion doesn't just feel premature, it feels totally dismissive.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the friction between the bureaucratic pace
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  of science and the emotional urgency of a grieving family.
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  Right the authorities are relying on probabilities. Young men drown
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  in the Gulf currents every year, but legally they must
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  wait for forensics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs the autopsy exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The State Medical Examiner's office conducts an official autopsy. However,
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  determining a cause of death in complex water recovery requires
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  extensive toxicology panels.
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  Speaker 1: So why does that take so long? We watch television
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  shows where they run a blood sample and have an
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  answer before the commercial break.
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  Speaker 2: You know, TV ruins our perception of this.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they waiting weeks or months?
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  Speaker 2: Because real forensic toxicology relies on gas chromatography mass spectrometry,
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  which is it is a highly laborious process of separating
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  chemical compounds in biological samples to check for specific substances
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  or toxins oh I see Furthermore, state crime labs are
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  notoriously backlogged. It is standard operating procedure for these results
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  to take several months.
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  Speaker 1: Right But to a family in mourning, this delay creates
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  a massive information vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: A huge one.
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  Speaker 1: When authorities declare accidental drowning while simultaneously saying we have
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  to wait months for the proof, Suspicion naturally fills the void.
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  Speaker 2: And that void is the catalyst for the next phase
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  of this case. The family refuses to just sit and
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  wait for a backlog state laboratory. Yeah, they take matters
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  into their own hands, and this is where the local
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  tragedy really accelerates into a national news story.
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  Speaker 1: The family mobilizes a parallel investigation.
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  Speaker 2: They do within days. They retain Ben Crump, one of
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  the most prominent civil rights attorneys in the United States,
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  and they.
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  Speaker 1: Don't just bring in legal firepower, they bring an independent
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  science right. They totally bypass the state's timeline and commission
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  a private, independent autopsy, and they have major financial backing
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  for this. The sources note that former NFL player Colin
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  Kaepernick actually partially funded this independent medical examination.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. The family hires doctor Roger Mitchell, a highly
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  credentialed forensic pathologist based in Washington, DC, and around July
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  twenty second, doctor Mitchell releases his preliminary findings. His conclusion
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  for the cause and manner of death is undetermined.
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  Speaker 1: I want to dig into that word. Sure sounds like
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  a lack of an answer, but there was one highly
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  specific detail in his report that caught everyone's attention.
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  Speaker 2: Yes there was.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Mitchell noted an eight x twelve inch area red
• 19:10
  discoloration on the back of Nolan's skull.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And to interpret that finding impartially, we have to look
• 19:15
  closely at the biology of a water recovered body.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Doctor Mitchell explicitly stared that he found no bone fractures
• 19:22
  and no deep tissue injuries to the skull beneath that discoloration, right,
• 19:26
  But he also stated he could not definitively rule out drowning,
• 19:30
  nor could he rule out non accidental trauma.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: How can a top tier forensic pathologist look at a
• 19:36
  massive red mark on a skull and not know if
• 19:39
  it's a bruise from a strike or just.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Something else because the marine environment actively destroys the evidence. Oually, yes,
• 19:45
  when a human body is submerged in the eighty five
• 19:48
  degree waters of the Gulf of Mexico for two days,
• 19:51
  saltwater maceration and bacterial decomposition begin immediately.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Cellular integrity completely breaks down in a fresh body. A
• 20:00
  pathologist looks at tissue under a microscope for hemocyderin, that's
• 20:03
  iron deposits from blood to prove a bruise occurred while
• 20:07
  the heart was still.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Pumping, meaning it happened before death.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Exactly anti mortem trauma. But decomposition alters those tissues, making
• 20:16
  a pre death bruise nearly indistinguishable from post mortem lividity,
• 20:20
  which is blood pooling after death, or even an artifact
• 20:23
  caused by the body tumbling against the sandy shoreline in
• 20:26
  the surf.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: And we also have to remember he is performing a
• 20:29
  second autopsy exactly.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: The state medical examiner had already opened the body section
• 20:35
  the organs and examined the tissues Wow. So when a
• 20:38
  second pathologist comes in, the anatomical structures have been fundamentally.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Altered, so it's basically compromised.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Drawing pristine forensic conclusions is exceptionally difficult. Undetermined is often
• 20:49
  the most scientifically rigorous and honest answer a pathologist can
• 20:52
  provide under these deteriorated conditions.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But legally it leaves the door wide open for interpretation. Absolutely,
• 20:59
  and Ben Crumb legal team walks right through that door.
• 21:02
  They utilize the ambiguity of the forensics and the anomaly
• 21:06
  of the cell phone to launch aggressive civil actions. As
• 21:09
  you do, we start seeing reports of spoilation letters being
• 21:13
  sent out. What exactly is a spoilation letter and how
• 21:17
  does it weaponize digital data?
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: So a spoliation letter is a really powerful mechanism in
• 21:22
  the rules of civil procedure.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: It is a formal, legally binding notice sent to a party,
• 21:28
  in this case, the friends on the boat, their families
• 21:30
  and potentially other witnesses, and it informs them that litigation
• 21:34
  is reasonably anticipated. The letter demands that they preserve all
• 21:37
  potential evidence. We are talking about text message logs, snapchat data,
• 21:41
  GPS coordinates, and social media direct messages.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: So It's basically a legal freeze on your entire digital life. Yes,
• 21:48
  what happens if a teenager gets this letter, panics and
• 21:50
  deletes a group chat.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That is where it becomes a weapon. If you are
• 21:54
  under a spoilation hold and you destroy data, the opposing
• 21:57
  council can ask the judge for an adverse inference in
• 22:00
  instruction during a civil trial.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: What does that mean?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The judge will literally tell the jury the defendant deleted
• 22:06
  this data. Therefore you must legally assume that whatever was
• 22:09
  deleted was highly damaging to their case. Wow, it is
• 22:12
  the legal equivalent of saying, if you hide the recipe,
• 22:15
  we assume it was poison.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: That's intense.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: The family is aggressively locking down the digital footprint to
• 22:21
  prepare for subpoenas, and.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: The public momentum behind the family just becomes massive. A
• 22:27
  gofund campaign raises hundreds of thousands of dollars. Major cultural
• 22:31
  figures step into the fray.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Al Sharpton, Terrell Owens, and Tyler Perry offer rewards for information.
• 22:38
  Al Sharpton actually travels down to deliver Nolan's.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Eulogy, and attorney Ben Crump utilizes this elevated platform to
• 22:46
  dissect what he views as glaring contradictions in the narrative. Right,
• 22:50
  he highlights the friends claim that Nolan stayed behind voluntarily,
• 22:53
  contrasting it against rumors and alleged statements from the young
• 22:56
  woman on the island that suggests a different sequence of events.
• 22:59
  Crump attacks the trendransparency of the initial investigation. He asks
• 23:02
  whether Nolan's race, a black teenager socializing with predominantly white friends,
• 23:08
  influence the speed at which authorities package this as a
• 23:11
  tragic accidental drowning.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Right, which is a major major question.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: The family's position is that they demand the truth wherever
• 23:19
  the evidence points, but they cannot inherently trust a local
• 23:23
  system that rushes to clear the scene before the scientific
• 23:26
  data is even processed.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: But every action in physics, and certainly in legal system
• 23:32
  has an equal and opposite reactions. As the family mobilizes
• 23:36
  national resources, the three friends who left on that boat,
• 23:39
  the last people to admit seeing Nolan, are caught in
• 23:42
  a tidal wave of public scrutiny.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they really are, and they do not.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Quietly wait for it to pass. They launch a completely
• 23:48
  unprecedented counter offensive.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: The scrutiny is primarily focused on Warren Hudson, Jax Pittolow,
• 23:54
  and Morgan Seymour. These three young men have maintained absolute
• 23:58
  innocence from the moment the doct Warren Hudson's mother, Ashley Cole,
• 24:03
  who happens to be a sitting Jackson County Chancery Court judge,
• 24:07
  released an early public.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Statement right I right about that.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: She outlined that her son fully cooperated with investigators the
• 24:13
  night of July fourth, willingly handed over the phone and keys,
• 24:17
  and provided a detailed timeline of the mechanical failure.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: But a judge's statement does not stop the Internet, not
• 24:24
  at all. The digital fallout for these three teenagers is catastrophic.
• 24:28
  We're talking about extreme docsing, where their home addresses and
• 24:31
  personal information are blasted across social media. People are receiving
• 24:35
  death threats, False rumors go viral claiming Hudson has been
• 24:38
  arrested for murder. The environment becomes so hostile and volatile
• 24:43
  that the FBI is forced to intervene to investigate interstate
• 24:46
  threats and bomb threats directed at local government offices.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Facing this digital siege, the friend's families recognize they are
• 24:53
  fighting a two front war. Doctor Benjamin Hudson Warren's father
• 24:58
  launches a counter fundraiser on the platform Give sen Go.
• 25:01
  They raise well over one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Wow,
• 25:05
  but this fund is not for a criminal defense. None
• 25:08
  of these young men have been charge with the crime.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Right, they're raising money to fight a civil war exactly.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: The fund is explicitly designed to defend against potential civil
• 25:17
  wrongful death lawsuits from the Wells family and aggressively to
• 25:21
  finance defamation and libel suits against individuals or media entitude
• 25:25
  they accuse of spreading false murder accusations.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so going on the office.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, the language of the fundraiser is combative, explicitly accusing
• 25:34
  race baiters of twisting a maritime accident into a false narrative.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And they take that one hundred and fifty thousand dollars
• 25:39
  and hire serious legal muscle.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: They bring on Mississippi attorney J. Tyler Cox, and crucially
• 25:45
  they hire Edward Andrew Poltzik.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Poltic is not a local criminal defense attorney. He is
• 25:51
  a high profile media and defamation lawyer who has represented
• 25:54
  figures like Donald Trump in national litigation.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: He specializes in aggressive narrative combat.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then this legal team makes a move that
• 26:04
  absolutely blew my mind when I read the source material.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You are referring to the August seventh trip.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yes, on August seventh, twenty twenty six, Warren Hudson and
• 26:14
  Jack's Pittilow, alongside these high powered defamation lawyers, actually charter
• 26:19
  a boat and travel back to Horn Island. It's remarkable
• 26:22
  the subjects of an intense national racially charged controversy returned
• 26:26
  to the exact scene of the tragedy with their legal
• 26:29
  team in tow. Yeah, that is a strategic chess move
• 26:32
  you almost never see. Going back to the island with
• 26:35
  defamation lawyers is like a football coach walking the opposing
• 26:38
  team's field the day before a game to find every
• 26:41
  pothole and muddy patch.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: They aren't there to play. They're mapping the battlefield to
• 26:45
  destroy the other team's playbook. How did this work legally?
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, your analogy
• 26:52
  is exactly right. The lawyers explicitly stated they were not
• 26:55
  there to conduct a forensic investigation. That remains the jurisdiction
• 26:58
  of the police. I went to physically map the topography
• 27:02
  to win a defamation case, especially if the subjects are
• 27:06
  deemed limited purpose public figures due to the media attention.
• 27:10
  You have to prove actual malice actual vallus yeah, meaning
• 27:14
  that someone knowingly spread a lie or acted with reckless
• 27:17
  disregard for the truth.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: And mapping the island helps them prove a lie.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: It gives them the weapon of physical impossibility OI. See
• 27:23
  the lawyers spent hours observing the title flows and the
• 27:27
  specific geography of the washing machine currents. If an online
• 27:31
  commentator or a civil attorney claims that X must have
• 27:34
  happened at this specific sandbar, Paltsick and Cox want to
• 27:38
  stand up in court and say, we have physically stood
• 27:41
  on that sandbar. The water depth and the title drag
• 27:44
  make your narrative physically impossible. You are spreading a reckless falsehood.
• 27:48
  It is a preemptive legal strike. The friends were reportedly
• 27:51
  emotional wrecks returning to the spot they lost their friend,
• 27:54
  But strategically it demonstrates the total catastrophic breakdown of trust.
• 27:59
  They are building and impenetrable fortress of geographic facts because
• 28:03
  they believe the public narrative has entirely abandoned reality.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: It is staggering We essentially have two heavily armed camps
• 28:11
  running parallel private investigations, neither trusting the other, and both
• 28:15
  completely distrusting the official County Sheriff's investigation exactly, which brings
• 28:21
  us to the arena where this war is actually being fought.
• 28:24
  We've analyzed the family's maneuvers and the friends defenses, but
• 28:28
  we have to look at the Internet itself, which is
• 28:30
  actively warping the reality of Ocean Springs, Mississippi.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: The digital landscape here isn't just a mirror reflecting the tragedy.
• 28:38
  It is an active, distorting participant. The algorithm rewards outrage
• 28:43
  and certainty. Photos of Nolan, a black teenager standing on
• 28:47
  a boat with his white friends, were scraped from social media,
• 28:50
  stripped of context, and circulated to millions of people to
• 28:53
  fuel intense speculation about racial motives and elaborate cover ups.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: And it isn't just people having strong opinions in the
• 28:59
  comment sect.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: No, it's worse.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: The source text explicitly highlights the introduction of AI generated
• 29:05
  content into the discourse. People are using artificial intelligence to
• 29:09
  synthesize fake updates. We are seeing mythidentified videos going massively viral.
• 29:16
  There was one specific video that claimed to show Nolan
• 29:19
  on the island engaged in a heated argument over a
• 29:22
  cell phone. Millions of people watched this shaky footage, and
• 29:26
  the Internet consensus immediately declared it was the prelude to
• 29:30
  his merger.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: But the reality of that video exposes the danger of
• 29:34
  digital vigilantism totally. Another friend of Nolan's, a young man
• 29:37
  named trace Dustin Shepherd, had to come forward publicly to
• 29:40
  debunk it. Shepherd stated on the record that video is
• 29:43
  not Nolan, that is me.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: He explained that the video captured a completely separate, unrelated
• 29:49
  confrontation regarding his own girlfriend. Shepherd explicitly condemned the Internet
• 29:54
  for attaching a false racial narrative to a video of him,
• 29:57
  stating it was incredibly harmful to the truth.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: We treat digital timestamps and viral videos as absolute truth,
• 30:02
  but this case proves that when data is separated from
• 30:05
  its physical context, it becomes a perfect weapon for misinformation.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You have other friends like Javon Williams stating that Nolan
• 30:14
  voluntarily staying behind was entirely out of character, which just
• 30:18
  proves how fractured the reality is even among the teenagers
• 30:21
  who are standing on the same beach that day.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question, how does a physical community
• 30:28
  heal when the information vacuum is filled by millions of
• 30:31
  strangers playing detective.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think it can.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: The digital mob operates without rules of evidence. The friends
• 30:37
  on the boat stated that the climate of physical threats
• 30:40
  was so severe they could not even safely attend Nolan's
• 30:43
  funeral to mourn him.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: It's a paralyzing thought. A teenager dies and his childhood
• 30:48
  friends cannot safely sit in a church because an algorithm
• 30:51
  has already convicted them. Meanwhile, a family is suffocating in grief,
• 30:55
  feeling like they have to wage war against the entire
• 30:58
  world just to get a straight, sign scientific answer about
• 31:01
  how their son ended up in the Gulf of Mexico.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: And as of the August tenth, twenty twenty sixth reporting,
• 31:07
  the architecture of this controversy is locked in a stalemate,
• 31:10
  completely frozen. The state toxicology reports are still pending, the
• 31:14
  state autopsy results are pending. There are no criminal charges
• 31:18
  filed against anyone. Instead, you have two deeply entrenched sides,
• 31:22
  armed with elite legal teams and public relations strategies, each
• 31:26
  accusing the other of destroying lives with harmful narratives. The
• 31:30
  source material distills it perfectly. The death of Nolan Wells
• 31:33
  has become a national rarshock test for pre existing beliefs
• 31:37
  about race, justice, media, and trust in institutions. People look
• 31:41
  at the exact same set of murky facts and see
• 31:44
  exactly what they want to see.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: It is a tragedy layered infinitely upon a tragedy. At
• 31:49
  the absolute core of this legal and digital warfare, you
• 31:52
  have an eighteen year old athlete.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a kid, A kid.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Who had a bright future, an infectious smile, a family
• 31:57
  that loved him desperately, and he is gone. The agonizing
• 32:00
  weight for the science continues while the lawyers prepare for battle.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: For anyone listening, it is vital to remember the human
• 32:07
  cost of treating real world tragedy as consumable content. Right
• 32:11
  behind the AI videos, the spoliation letters, the gofundmes, and
• 32:15
  the defamation war chests, there are parents waking up every
• 32:18
  single day missing a sun.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: There are young men whose lives and reputations have been
• 32:24
  permanently altered, living under the crushing weight of national scrutiny.
• 32:28
  Real human beings are being ground up in the gears
• 32:31
  of this digital machinery.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: It truly makes you reconsider the screens in front of
• 32:36
  us as you go about your week, think about the
• 32:39
  digital footprints we all leave behind.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, we live.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: In an era where a tragedy can occur in a
• 32:44
  crowded place, surrounded by hundreds of people, countless smartphones, and
• 32:48
  endless streams of social media data. How is it possible
• 32:52
  that with all of this technology, the truth becomes harder
• 32:55
  to find rather than easier.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: That is the defining question of our era.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Does our high vapor connected world actually just create thicker
• 33:02
  smoke when we are desperately looking for the fire?
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I think we all need to be asking ourselves that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive into
• 33:09
  the sources, Keep asking questions, keep looking past the algorithm.
• 33:13
  L kitchen next time.