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The Names of God are Verbs · How to Faith a Life Podcast with Faith Womack

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  SPEAKER_00: If you're listening to the How to Faith a Life podcast, where we wrestle with questions on how to live a life of faith, from everything from books to Bible studies, even Bible study tips, this is your place to wrestle with the hard questions and dive deep into what scripture really says for the Christian walk.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, with all that said, let's begin.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hi friends, welcome back to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we have a wonderful guest, Christy McLeeland.
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  SPEAKER_00: I am so excited.
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  SPEAKER_00: I came across her stuff about a year ago and I immediately became obsessed with like instant follow.
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  SPEAKER_00: She specializes in so much.
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  SPEAKER_00: She's a professor.
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  SPEAKER_00: She has so many gifts of communicating really well to believers, to take stuff that's like seems factual, feels like, okay, context around Israel or the original languages, but make it a heart application, a worshipful way to respond to what's going on in scripture.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so when Life Way reached out to me about this new study, The Names of God, I immediately got so excited to see her name on it, as well as so many other good ones, to walk us through the different names of God and really why they matter to our Bible study.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited for this conversation and this study.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm so excited to pick your brain.
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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Man, thank you so much for having me.
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  SPEAKER_01: If you know anything about me at all, I start my mornings with a walk with my two doodle puppies.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was just praying for our time this morning and just asking God, you know, it's like for everybody joining us today that like the Lord is in our even this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's gone before us.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's always been waiting outside of time for us to get here to this moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I would had great joy, even what just thinking about the names of God and just praying for this conversation.
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  SPEAKER_01: So thank you for having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you are so incredibly sweet.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think sometimes I forget the power of what we're doing here, talking about books and sharing, you know, Bible study tips.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really is beautiful ministry.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I forget that.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just me blabbing in a mic, but then I neglect the prayer over that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's so comforting to hear that you've already prayed over this conversation where I've failed.
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  SPEAKER_00: The Holy Spirit's already covered this and is gonna meet us in it.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's just oh, so incredibly encouraging to me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I wanted to pick your um ear right before we turned on the recording.
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  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned how God's names are verbs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my god, I gotta turn on the recording because they're gonna love this.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're about to drop some bombs, some really cool application for our Bible studies.
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  SPEAKER_00: So will you share a little bit about what that means?
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  SPEAKER_00: God's names are verbs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm honored to, you know, you think about the parts of scripture that just set your soul on fire.
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  SPEAKER_01: The names of God it does that for me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And in part, it's just, you know, I've been taking teens to Israel on biblical study trips for 20 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: My passion is understanding and teaching the Bible in its historical, cultural, geographic, and linguistic context.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always say the funny thing about words is they have me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like me understand it culturally.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so some of the differences that I'm gonna like super nerd for just a second and then like kind of nerd and culturally awesome ways, but it's gonna be nerding nonetheless.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for everybody listening and joining us today, welcome to the nerd dump, the Bible nerd dump.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you know, a little bit about our English language and the Hebrew language, the language Jesus, Peter, and Paul, all of Mary's in the Bible, Abraham, you know, Isaac, Jacob, Saul, David, Solomon is our English language is a noun-based language.
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  SPEAKER_01: The subject of the sentence is the noun.
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  SPEAKER_01: In Hebrew, it is a verb-based language.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the subject is always the action.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I love that because to know who God is and what he's like, what it's gonna mean to walk with him, it's to understand that God is on the move.
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  SPEAKER_01: He is out of action.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so in our English framework, when we think of names, maybe the names of God, we tend to think of them as pronouns, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You capitalize letter and all of that, but to truly enter into what names meant in the ancient world and in the biblical world and in the world of Israel as they walked with the living God, your name is your verb.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's how you're moving, it's how you're acting, it's what you are doing in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I got so excited personally when Lifeway reached out to me to ask if I wanted to be a part of this names of God project, because I was like, oh my goodness.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you've ever needed encouragement from the word of God, what's gonna do it more than understanding that God is here, God is on the move, God is working.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, how is he here?
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  SPEAKER_01: How is he moving?
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  SPEAKER_01: How is he working?
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  SPEAKER_01: And when we look into the names of God, the ways that he's verbing, it starts connecting us to deep salvation, this restoration, this renewal, this resurrection that he's bringing into this world and inviting us to be a part of as followers of him.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is something I get really excited about.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, just a couple of snapshots, and I'm gonna share some that maybe I wrote about in the study, and maybe just some that are like on the top of my mind right now.
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  SPEAKER_01: But think of the very first two humans in the story of the Bible, Adam and Eve.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, if your name is your verb, like what's going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Adam comes from the Hebrew word Adama, it means land, soil, or dust.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I always joke the Bible is not teaching that all men are dust, you know, or dirt, is that after creating everything by speaking, and God said, Let there be light, and there was light, the Adama was the first thing God created with his hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: He took the dust and dirt of the ground and formed Adama.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you see God is like this Imago day.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are different.
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  SPEAKER_01: Adam, the man, is the first thing God created with his own hands.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then you have Eve, first woman taken from Adam's rib.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her Hebrew name is Chava, which means life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And why do we call her life?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because where did Cain come from?
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  SPEAKER_01: From Eve.
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  SPEAKER_01: She is the giver of life.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you start to see, oh my goodness, if you know the name in a biblical story, you already know the storyline.
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  SPEAKER_01: You already know what that person is going to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, fast forward to Deborah, you know, Dor.
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  SPEAKER_01: Root of her word, D B R or D V R.
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  SPEAKER_01: Vs and Bs are interchangeable in Hebrew.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the Hebrew word for word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Devar is the Hebrew word for word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Deborah, what is she gonna do in the world?
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  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna carry the word of the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you know what Deborah means, you've got it.
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  SPEAKER_01: One more, Samuel.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shmuel, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like Shema, that's at the root of his name.
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  SPEAKER_01: Shema is to hear.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, who was Shmuel?
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  SPEAKER_01: Who was Samuel?
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  SPEAKER_01: Remember, as a little boy, he's the one that kept hearing God calling his name, but he kept thinking it was Eli.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so Samuel's gonna be one that hears God, like in this world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so our names are our verbs.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's how we're gonna love, move, and have our being in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: My name is Christy.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a derivative of Christian.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I am here verb as a follower of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I always tell people, like, man, if you've never really looked at your name, you know, look into it because there's something.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think names are deeply spiritual in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: They certainly were in the biblical world.
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  SPEAKER_00: I spent a lot of time geeking out over names in the book of Ruth, the turning of the neck and all those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Limelech, it's almost ironic because he doesn't believe God is king.
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  SPEAKER_00: He goes to the foreign nation.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think it's so interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then sometimes it's like God just gives them an entirely new name and that's like a transforming identity or something.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I had no idea about Deborah or even Christy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like now I'm I'm gonna say that to all my Christian friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: I heard that goes back to that's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that God gives us a new name and that God reveals himself through names.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, I I imagine that somebody might be like, okay, but why do all the different names really matter?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why not just Yahweh?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why why not just all capsule O R D?
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  SPEAKER_00: Why do we care about El Shaddai or Alpha and Omega?
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  SPEAKER_01: The first thing that comes to my mind is because the Bible is a book in color, not black and white.
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  SPEAKER_01: Why is it just doing one thing?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and sometimes we need different adjectives or different verbs or like way of understanding.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'll give you one of my favorite examples that I did not write about in the Bible study.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is just for free.
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  SPEAKER_01: But when I take teams to Israel, I love to take them to a place called the Promenade.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it is a viewpoint, it's a vantage point of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem off in the distance.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the reason they've built this platform there at the promenade is it's probably the first view of Mount Moriah that Abraham and Isaac would have had back in the book of Genesis, when Abraham is taking Isaac to sacrifice him there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you look at that dialogue and scripture, it's so powerful.
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  SPEAKER_01: We see this name of Nai that we use in different ways, Jehovah Jirah or Jehovah Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's the God who will see to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We often interpret Naira as the God who will provide.
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  SPEAKER_01: The Jews call that story the Akada, the finding of Isaac.
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  SPEAKER_01: They don't call it the sacrifice of Isaac, because that's the whole point of the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: God was not asking Abraham to sacrifice his son, the way that the pagan gods of other nations would require child sacrifice at times.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we see this God providing around in the thicket for the sacrifice, but yeah means to see.
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  SPEAKER_01: God is going to see to it.
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  SPEAKER_01: We translate it as God will provide.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so what's so beautiful about that is if you want to know who God is and what he's like, he moves when he sees.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, like I pray so often, like I believe some of my best friends, their 24-year-old daughter just had open heart surgery at Vanderbilt about five days ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: And is Uba praying that she's at vet school?
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  SPEAKER_01: She's absolutely brilliant, but you don't think of 24-year-olds needing open heart surgery.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we were all just really praying into this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And as I would walk my dogs in the morning, my prayer was, Lord, I'm asking you to see Lauren.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm asking you to get a hair.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want you to see her because you move by what you see.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's this verb, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: You go all the way back to Exodus.
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  SPEAKER_01: God comes to Moses.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have seen and heard the cries of my people.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I want you to be the Pharaoh and tell him to let my people go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the Bible is just full of these different ways that God is moving in the world.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's why we have different means for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you know, sometimes I'll tell you something else and I could start crying, talking about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't write about this in the Bible study either.
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  SPEAKER_01: You can tell you're just on to something that I'm like super passionate about.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know, like Bible nerd question for everybody joining us today is who's the first person in the Bible that gives God a name?
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  SPEAKER_01: And you think, man, now that we're understanding the importance of names, who's the first person that's going to give God a name that he's gonna take on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Let's just look at that.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like a person gave God a name that he took on, and it's Hagar in the wilderness.
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  SPEAKER_01: El Wolf, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You're the God he sees.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I love that humility, you know?
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  SPEAKER_01: I love that that the first person is a woman in Hagar, Year.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, means stranger, she's the stranger, like the story.
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  SPEAKER_01: This woman in a wilderness.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you it's hard to get lower than that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And she's getting wider name that we now read about in the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think so often, like back to walking my dogs, you all can tell walking my dogs is a big part of my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: That sometimes at different seasons, I'm like, God, what is your name to me right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: How am I in my life right now?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, how am I seeing you living, moving, and having or being?
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  SPEAKER_01: What is your most prominent name to me right now, which season of my life?
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  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you can identify those truths about God and live transformed by them, live off of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I think sometimes we're just so focused on, but I'm going through this.
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  SPEAKER_00: My daughter has open heart surgery, which did it go okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lord willing, she's gonna get to come home today.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Oh, good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Praise the Lord.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, like we we have our things that we're going through, and it's like we get so caught up with our stuff, but we forget who he is.
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  SPEAKER_00: He is merciful and kind, full of steadfast love, you know, all these things that he's declared in scripture for us to cling to, but we get so caught up with our stuff and cling to our stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, how did studying the names of God or studying various, you know, through different passages of scripture or even through cultural encounters with like how that affected Israel and their culture, how did that change the way you read the Bible and yeah, respond in worship?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think for me, the timing of this study was deeply personal.
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  SPEAKER_01: This study of all that I've ever published, you know, I I say it was written in dust and ruin for me because I was writing it during the season when my mom had had her stroke and passed away.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, in a deep season of grief and loss for me, what this Bible study ended up being for me, it was the task at hand.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was the work at hand with all of these manuscript deadlines and filming dates and all of this that constantly lifted my head out of my grief for me to look at him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it really met me in a deeply personal way.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a lifting for me when I was so low.
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  SPEAKER_01: I really felt God like carrying me.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can't tell another story, but I'm really good friends with some of the other authors that are a part of the study, and they were going through some significant things as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we would talk about it that, like, gosh, it just feels like a bomb has gone off in our lives in some different ways.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so, what better the kindness of God for us that the assignment was to study his names?
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I we write about this in the study, I'll lead out with it in the second session.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is like, I don't know if you've ever thought about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm of I'm an only child and I'm super imaginative.
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  SPEAKER_01: When I'm reading the Bible, it sometimes I see it in like graphs or charts.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of nerdy.
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  SPEAKER_01: I can't explain it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I wish I was that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I wrote in the second session and then I finished it in the eighth session.
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  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, like the names of God, they're meeting us in the dust and ruin of our own lives, all that's up, all that's down, the names of accompany us.
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  SPEAKER_01: But there are 1,189 chapters in the Bible.
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  SPEAKER_01: The world is broken for 1,185 of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: You get Genesis 1 and 2, Garden of Eden, you get New Heaven, New Earth, New Jerusalem, New Eden, we might say, Revelation 21, 22.
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  SPEAKER_01: So these bookends, the first two chapters of the Bible and the last two chapters of the Bible, we see things as they were meant to be.
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  SPEAKER_01: The deep of Shalom, wholeness, flourishing, harmony, delight.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's Micah in Micah 4.
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  SPEAKER_01: Everyone will sit under their own vine and fig tree, and no one will make them afraid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but man, it's it's interesting that of 1189 chapters, we get that for four of them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And God is on the move.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I, you know, it was G.K.
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  SPEAKER_01: Chesterton that talked about we're all somehow painfully aware that we have lost Eden and we are living in a painful hope that that we are headed to a new Eden.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, that you're in between.
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  SPEAKER_01: We are in between Genesis 1 and 2 and Revelation 21 and 22.
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  SPEAKER_01: And for me, studying the names of God during that season with my mom, losing my mom, all of that, it was just this constant reminder that things will not end sad.
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  SPEAKER_01: Our stories are not going to end sad.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I don't know how many of your audience ever watched The Lord of the Rings, but I kind of got in on.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've never read the books, but I certainly saw the movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there's a great line that Sam Wise Gange asks to Frodo.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Frodo, is it true that everything sad will be made untrue?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the story of the Bible is God is answering that deep, heartfelt question in each one of us.
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  SPEAKER_01: All that has ever made or will make me sad, all the brokenness that I've ever known, know, or will know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Will you be powerful enough?
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  SPEAKER_01: Will you be strong enough?
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  SPEAKER_01: Will you be good enough to someday make it all untrue?
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  SPEAKER_01: And that to me, that's at the heart of the names of God.
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  SPEAKER_01: We have so many names of God in the Bible because He's working in so many ways to make everything sad untrue.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Praise the Lord for that too.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Meeting us in it, but then also, yeah, making it untrue.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: I love that language.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't even catch it.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: We just watched through the Lord of the Rings with our boys.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it's funny that you brought it up.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: So being sad will be made untrue.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: So good.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Now I gotta ask you, was there one name in particular that you really just kind of held on to or reminded yourself of?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, there's a name, and and the way I would frame it, it's the name that I call God.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_01: So kind of back to Hagar, Elloin, the God who sees for me.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: And if you've heard any of my teachings or Bible studies or anything, I refer to the Lord, just me, Christy, follower of Jesus in the world as the living God.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, to me, that's how that is this.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, if there's one name I'm gonna tend to call him, that call him in prayer or when I'm teaching about him.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's the living God.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you see that phrase throughout scripture, but my favorite one, it's connected to another site in Israel that I take teams to.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: But we go to the Valley of Elah, where David fought Goliath.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: And what's you I mean, you know that story if you've been in church at all.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: We had that on the little felt born in the third grade, you know, in Sunday school.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_01: But what's so interesting is you've got Goliath, this beast for the Philistines, and they're lined up on one side of the valley, and Saul and the Israelites are on the other.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so David comes check on his brothers, and you know, Jesse, his father's really worried about this battle, you know, and the reason is Bethlehem is not very far from that location.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So if the Israelites lose this one, the Philistines are gonna be at Bethlehem in like a minute.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_01: So Jesse's concerned.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, Man, go check on my sons, go check on the Israelites, let me know what's going on.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: And man, if you've not read 1 Samuel 17 in a while, like honestly, just do yourself a favor and maybe read it.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Get finished, you know, being with us on the podcast today.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_01: But I love the movement of it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, David shows up and to kind of fast forward through the story, you know, Goliath comes out and it mentions that for 40 days, Goliath came out every day to taunt the Israelites, you know, send a champion to come fight me, you know, and he's talking ancient Bible trash to them and all of this stuff.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, even that it is like a signpost in scripture because when you see the number 40, look for change.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: So the flood is 40 days and 40 nights.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Israelites are in the wilderness 40 years, Jesus is in the wilderness 40 days and 40 nights.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: So when you see 40, look for change.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: So when the Bible says that David just so happened to be there in on the 40th day, Goliath came forward, you're like, oh Joker, you're about to get handled.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Because like God tells stuff when something hits 40.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_01: And David hears him.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I love David, man.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_01: When I think about people I can't wait to have a coffee with, or if we drink coffee in heaven, I'm not sure.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: But definitely when I have a coffee with David and get his perspective on this, because and it's part, it's probably my favorite story when we see this phrase, the living God.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: But David hears Goliath taunting the Israelites, and he says, Who is this uncircumcised Philistine who is defying the army of the living God?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like he is incensed.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, man, he's talking about that he's uncircumcised.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about a shot below the belt, man.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, oh David, we're gonna go there.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Who is this uncircumcised Philistine?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what do you expect that?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: And so then, you know, you have the whole interaction to fast forward, you know, Saul puts his armor on him.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: David's like, I'm not used to that.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: He goes and gets the five stones out of the riverbed, which by the way, when you go to Israel, you could go into that very riverbed and get your five stones.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Bible is the best and truest story that's ever been told.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: These things happened.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then then David goes out to meet Goliath, you know, and he's, you know, now he's talking trash.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, David, he's like, You come against me with sword and spear and javelin, but I come against you, you know, in the name of the Lord God Almighty.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then he tells him, I'm gonna like cut off your head.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't talk about that in vacation Bible school.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: We try to like give the like PG burden.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: But David literally tells them, I'm gonna cut off your head today, and the whole world will know that there's a God in Israel.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh man, I didn't have a chance.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like David just like upholding the name, you know.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I love that he refers to him as the living God.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, that's it, because I think I've just spent so much time in Israel, you know, taking teens for 20 years now, having studied there, just having spent so much time in the land, you know, you really do get this sense and understanding.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to be super clear in the way that I'm saying this, because I don't want to be theologically confusing for people.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: But we often speak of the Israelites in the Old Testament as monotheist, as in, they believe there's only one God.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: But when you really look at the Old Testament, they seem to believe there are other gods, the gods of the nations around them.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's just they believe their God, Yahweh, is supreme.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: And you even see it here in the David and Goliath narrative, because in ancient warfare, you know, people thought that they fought with the power of their deity.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So this isn't just David and Goliath in the Valley of Alah.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is Yahweh and Dagon, the God of the Philistines, like going at it.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yes, the Israelites believe in the one true God.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, they are monotheistic in the sense they believe their God is supreme.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: But I guarantee you, you understand the history and culture of the time, every Philistine there and every Israelite there saw that showdown as more than two men.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was two gods meeting in that valley.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 26:14
  unknown: Yeah.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he's gonna reign supreme.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: And so that idea of the living God, you know, the prophet Jeremiah talks about like the idiocy of taking a piece of wood and with one half you carve an image of an idol of a god, the other half you burn for fuel for the fire to cook your food or to warm yourself.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, Do you even see what you're doing?
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's like you're you are creating something and calling it deity, you know?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: It just like the foolishness of that.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then we see the living God saying in the Ten Commandments, make no graven image of me, right?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like six can never portray seven, right?
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: That which is finite, can never adequately, you know, communicate the infinite.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: So that was a super long way to answer that question.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, he's the living God, and I feel it.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_01: I feel it in that Daven way, you know, it's like living God be was my friend's daughter in her open heart surgery five days ago.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Living God, like get involved in like the affairs of the world, you know.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like we want your generous rule and reign here, and we want it to expand and to to spread.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so it like I feel it, like the living God, it feels like a verb to me.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when I'm when I'm talking to the living God, it's like it's like do something, like move in our day and in our time.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: That that thing that you're doing to to get us to Revelation 21 and 22, I'm gonna ask you to like do it.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, do it, do it again, do it today, do it in new ways, do it in consistent ways, like all of the things.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: And so it all just brings us back to the names of God because he's moving and working in so many different ways.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, but the living God is definitely the one that that like lives in me.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's what I call him, you know, in prayer, and it's kind of like think of him.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what would it be for you?
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what names do you tend to call him?
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like in prayer or when you're teaching or you're talking to people.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: I love, and I'm probably gonna botch this because you have been in it, but I it was a light bulb moment for me with El Shaddai being passed on from Abraham to Isaac to Jacob and then to Moses, the I am the I am.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: It was like, I am God Almighty, and that is why I am who I am, you know, and that shapes a lot of my fears and my doubts where my I say, you know, I'm named faith.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_00: I say I live by faith, but where the rubber hits the road, it's when I doubt him not being almighty.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Truly not being more mighty than my fears or my anxiety, truly not being more almighty than my, you know, the danger that threatens my kids or my husband, you know, you know, it's me doubting his almightiness.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so I tend to come back to that and imagine what it would be like to hear that name that rides with so much promise as you know, Abraham Abraham spoke to a literal miracle child and say, said, This is the Almighty.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then he's obviously passed it on to Jacob, who, you know, even wrestled with God and was renamed like we talked about, you know, and it's just so beautiful.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that, you know, it makes me think of kind of of you know, this um knowing the names and having them transform your life.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: We kind of see it with the name theology in the Psalms, where they'll be like, in the name of God or by the name of God, that everyone will know the name of God.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you're like, what do you mean?
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just say the name of God.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: But it's like this that the name of God, like just even like the reference of it, has power.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: But I feel like there's a disconnect in modern day, like we modern people tend to not understand that that there's like power just in the name of God.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Could you explain that for us?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because I feel like even sometimes it falls flat for me.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I've studied it, but it's just like culturally so different.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you think of like that novel that we sing Jesus name above all names, right?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: As though we're almost back to David and Goliath.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's this idea of which God reigns supreme, right?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love how in Ecclesiastes it talks about, you know, Solomon is like everything is meaningless and chasing after the wind, everything under the sun.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a Jewish idiom, because anything under the sun is what man can do.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's what we can create, it's what we can build, it's the towers of Babel, it's the pyramids of Egypt, like it's the seven ancient wonders of the world, it's all that kind of stuff.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_01: But the Bible always talks about God is the one who lives above the sun, right?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_01: His imagination.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like he's over, right?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: So he's not under anything.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: We talk about Jesus' name having authority in things in the heavens, on the earth, and under the earth, you know, kind of bringing in this spiritual warfare dynamic that he has authority above here and below.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't honestly understand it, faith to be totally honest, but I've traveled the world enough.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: I've met with enough like followers of Jesus in Africa and in Europe and in India and in Central and South America and in Israel and in Egypt and in Jordan.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: And there is just something to the name of Jesus in this world.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, truly, actually.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I've got questions for God, you know, for sure.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I got my little notebook that is gonna hopefully go to heaven with me.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: All of my my deepest questions are just in my heart.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: They're always the ones anchored in pain.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, there's just something to that.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: And what I talk about in session eight is you know, what is that whole thing in the Ten Commandments about you shall not take the name of the Lord in vain?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: And what that meant and means historically and culturally, how they would have heard it, understood that.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it's much more than just not saying a cuss word with God's name in it.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, that word take, you know, you shall not take the name.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's the Hebrew word nasad.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: It means to like hold, lift, or carry.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: You are not to hold, lift, or carry the name of the Lord in vain.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: That English word vain in Hebrew, it's shabe.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: It means like a vapor, like nothingness.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: You are not to lift, hold, or carry the name of the Lord as if it were nothing, as if it's a vapor.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_01: Who's the one above the sun with all of everything above the earth, in the earth, and under the earth?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_01: How are we living, leaving, and having our being as followers of Jesus who had taken on his name?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: How are we holding, lifting, and carrying his name in this world?
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the opposite of vain, the opposite of Shave would be God's commode.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's where we get the word glory, right?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we want to hold and lift and carry God's name and covode in in high esteem, showing his glory, reflecting his glory, his weight, his substance in the earth.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think about his glory when I think about calling him the living God.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I write about that in session eight, because after we look at all these names of God, right?
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: I just feel like a good place to end a Bible study is how now shall we live?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are we supposed to do with all of this?
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, I learned a bunch of names of God, and wow, your name is your verb in that world.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's your reputation.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And so what does this mean to like carry, lift, and hold the name of the Lord in glory, not in vain, not in Shabe?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I think about that so often, you know, pick your sports metaphor.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a sports girl, I don't cook, you know, we're in the middle of the World Cup right now, but I don't cook.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: We're in the middle of the World Cup.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it's like I'm walking all this stalker right now.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have like a cooking metaphor for you, but I can give you a sports one because I'm a sports girl.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: But I think a lot about like when the athletes take the field, there's a name on the back of their jersey.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: And it's their name.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, we're kind of like, whatever, LeBron James, Michael Joe, I mean, whatever.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like man is thinking about the fact that every single follower of Jesus on this planet, every day we are moving through the world with God's name on our back.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: And how that should deeply impact how we live and how we move and how we have our being, you know, thinking about even what does it look like to hold, lift, and carry the name of the Lord in its glory.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's so good.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, sometimes when I get in situations and I ask myself that, man, it it lips me, it directs me, it encourages me to lay down my flesh, encourages me to submit to the spirit of God, to the rule and reign of Jesus.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_01: It provokes me unto righteousness.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: It like moves me in the way of justice and righteousness.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's exactly what it's meant to do.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: But all of that comes from a name.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like I don't know that we think about, we don't make that connection so often that how we're living as Christians is a direct reflection to his name.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: It made me think of the Great Commission where Jesus sends us to go and make disciples in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, mm, do I make disciples in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit, or in the name of my name, you know?
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like as an influencer, that is something that I think a lot of us Christians fall into, Christian influencers or author.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my name's on the book, or I had to recently rebrand and use my name because of issues.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: Man, that was so hard for me and messy and like to own this is who God made me to be, and I don't have to hide behind like a brand name or something like that.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: But then also at the same time, as it's not about me.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Praise the Lord for that because I will fail, right?
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: But I get to minister or even just remind people of the gospel in Jesus' name and point to him.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I think a lot of us really struggle with that.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, where's our identity in being Christ followers and pointing to him?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_00: I I think it's because we don't know him.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know his names, we don't know him revealed in scripture.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: So let's say someone's listening to this and they're like, This sounds like a really cool study, but I've got like a list of like 40 different studies I should probably do.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: I am of the proponent because I flipped through it and I've read certain chapters of it, particularly your ones, and I really like there's a lot of good, like I don't know, I didn't I haven't showed y'all, but you guys can respond, you can annotate.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: They even have each name for you to like trace in the Greek and the Hebrew when it applies.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: So cool.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: But what would you envision for the student, even if they can't buy this study, watch the videos?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: What would you want for them?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: How would you challenge believers um to get into the names of God, even if it's even a little overwhelming, this whole conversation?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, my most honest thought to that, I talk to this with about this with my students a lot.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: But when you don't want to, ask God to give you the want to to want to.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Ask God to touch you with the place of your desire.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think so often we just go straight to like obedience.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, God, could you just make me a robot that always makes the right decision?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like, wouldn't we all, you know, that'd be the most boring existence in the world.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, love is only love if it's chosen, you know, if it's committed.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, like, you know, my students would be like, oh, you know, just reading the Bible so hard, you know, I'm trying to do.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: I just and I'm like, man, ask God to give you the want-to, to want to.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what I would say is just like, you know, it it's a deeper than God help me get up every morning and like read a little bit my Bible before I go to work or before the kids get up, or you know, whatever it's going on.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's summertime right now.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what the kids are out of school, you know, the days are just so much, you know, more full and all of this.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I pray that all the time.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_01: I ask for God to like touch me at the place of desire all the time, whether it's generosity, like God, give me the want to to be more generous, whether it's, you know, whatever, like I want to be unselfish with my time.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like, give me the want to to want to care.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think like when it comes to the names of God, if so I might say it like this if the names of God are his verbs, how he's showing up and moving in the world, then if we want to know God, knowing his names becomes a pretty direct biblical way to do that.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so even if you're listening to today and you're like, man, I just love me some faith.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: So like I just check out all of Faith's episodes, and today K Mac is on it, and that's kind of interesting.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard some things I've never heard, but you know, I don't know.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm still not that compelled, you know, to look at the names of God.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_01: I would just say ask God to give you the want to, to want.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: Because it's some of the richest pearls in all of scripture.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: I have to agree.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: This has been one of the richest podcasts I've ever had.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know they're gonna be like, this is so good, you know.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's this whole conversation has been ridden with biblical truth, like Old Testament to New Testament, just the character of God.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I think believers, we have to know the character of our God, yeah, or else we're just believing in this fairy tale we make up in our brains.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, do we actually believe Him to be true?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Do we actually believe the Bible to be true?
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because if we believe the Bible to be true, we're gonna want to know the actual language that it spoke of God and reveals God in.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: And some of these things can get lost in translation.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know my Hebrew as good as you and definitely need to freshen up on that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, in the good means that God speaks English.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: And he needs us in that.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_00: And this study does a good brick job of bridging for students that haven't ever spent time in it.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would highly encourage you guys to dive into this study.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: I think there's a lot of like I think this is what's been needed, honestly, in the Bible study world, like a solid, non-milky journey through the names of God.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: And y'all have done a really good job.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm jealous of your students.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm jealous of, you know, all the people that get to learn from you because this has been so good picking your brain.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: Where can people find you and learn more from you and maybe even travel with you?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my goodness.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you knew all, everybody, airware is welcome to travel and study with me.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_01: Men, women, families.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you're in your 80s, come on.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a teenager, come on.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: Anything in between, let's go.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Word and context is like my passion.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: But people can go to my website, Christy McClellan.com.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm also on Instagram, uh, Facebook, different things like that.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so we have we have registration open for my fall 2027 Israel trip right now.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: So people could go access that.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's open to absolutely anyone, all day, every day.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: We just study the Bible in the very places where it happened.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Israel is incarnational space for so many of the stories of the Bible.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Genesis essentially through the gospels happens there, and we get in the book of Acts, which kind of moves us on to, you know, Turkey and Italy and Greeks and all of those places.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, I tell people all the time, I can read a book about you, I can even see a picture of you, but to be with you is different.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: And studying the Bible in Israel, it it's helping me get to know Jesus in a better way.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm eating foods he ate, I'm seeing constellations he saw, I'm sitting in places he sat.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're entering back into that Jewish culture and geography and world, especially around the Sea of Galilee, because he's a Galilean rabbi who from time to time follows down to Jerusalem for the Jewish festivals and things like that.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I mean, pilgrimage to me is deeply spiritual.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I always say it is certainly not a matter of salvation.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: My mom and my dad always wanted to go to Israel, neither one of them ever made it.
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every time I'm in the lane, I don't like a McClellan is here, you know, has made it.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_01: But if you can, you know, there's a I'll go out on this.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go out faith with a quote from Mark Twain.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: All right, let's hear it.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Go out with some Mark Twain today.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: But I think of this often when I take teams to Israel.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: But he said, travel is fatal to racism, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot develop a broad, charitable, wholesome view of the world if you only vegetate in your own little corner of it.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_01: So travel and biblical travel and spiritual travel, it is quickening.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: It quickens my spirit like nothing else I've ever touched in this world.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why I take people is I want to be a bridge.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: I want to be a bridge between the Western church and the worlds and lands of the Bible.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want people to be able to like walk across me to get there where we can sit in these stories in the very places that they happened and get to know Jesus better, get to know God better, get to know the kingdom of God better, you know, that incarnation of space.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, come on, let's go.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody, okay, everybody, let's go.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I have to, like I I have to do that because that sounds so good.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: And just to he learn from you and absorb from you, it would be so cool.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: I will definitely encourage everybody to check it out.
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you, Christy.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I think I said your last name wrong at the beginning.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: I always do this with people.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: I say their last name in my head, like I read it one way, and then I say McClellan.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_01: McClellan.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Irish.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: I loved it, but I think I said it wrong at the beginning, so I apologize.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Y'all, I'm sure y'all were laughing at me.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_01: So we are so good.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: I've loved this.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: This has been such a beautiful start to my day.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like spending this time with you.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of want to like run through a brick wall, hug a baby, give my money a home.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's what I'm that thing does for me, you know.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just ready to like, yeah.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go live out the rest of them.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that God definitely honored those prayers you prayed this morning on your morning walk.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: No, thank you, Borm.
• 44:31
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• 44:34
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• 44:39
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• 44:41
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• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: But if you want to hang out with me and do in depth Bible studies, like I talked about earlier.