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Dreams with Kristine Goins · Lean Out Podcast

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  My guest today is Dr.
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  Christine Goins.
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  Christine is an integrative adult and pediatric psychiatrist, physician, coach, and digital nomad after experiencing her own struggles with burnout and health challenges.
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  Christine left a position in academics and leadership to found nomad MD, where she empowers doctors to achieve a balanced and fulfilling life where they can work less from anywhere.
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  Christine shares a glimpse of what life is like as a digital nomad.
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  The realizations that led her to take the leap and change her lifestyle and excellent tips for navigating uncertainty.
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  I hope you enjoy this interview.
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  KG Dawn-1: Christine Goins, welcome to the show.
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  KG Dawn-1: I'm really happy to have you here.
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  KG Dawn-1: I would love it if you would introduce yourself.
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  KG Dawn-1: Tell us a little bit about what your work life balance looks like now and how it's different from other people in your profession.
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  KG Kristine-1: Absolutely.
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  KG Kristine-1: Thank you for having me.
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  KG Kristine-1: I'm so happy to be here.
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  KG Kristine-1: My name is Christine Goines.
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  KG Kristine-1: I'm a integrative child and adolescent psychiatrist and a digital nomad.
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  KG Kristine-1: I empower doctors to achieve a balanced and fulfilling life where they can work less from anywhere.
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  KG Kristine-1: And what makes my lifestyle and professional journey different is that I practice medicine and do consulting from all over the world.
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  KG Kristine-1: So I've been traveling full time for almost 3 years now, and it's given me a sense of freedom and adventure that I think was missing for a long time It's something I always wanted to do is live this life of travel, to be able to learn about different cultures, to be able to have immersive experiences, and meet people from all over.
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  KG Kristine-1: And that's what I get to do in this life that I've created as a doctor.
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  KG Dawn-1: So where are you living while we're while we're interviewing here?
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  KG Kristine-1: at this moment, I'm in a little tiny town called La Cruz de Vana Castillo in, Mexico, about 30 minutes outside of Puerto Vallarta.
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  KG Dawn-1: Very nice.
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  KG Dawn-1: And how long have you been at this particular location?
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  KG Kristine-1: Not too weak.
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  KG Dawn-1: So, typically, with this nomadic lifestyle, do you have a rule for how long you stay in a particular place?
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  KG Dawn-1: Or, how do you navigate that moving around?
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  KG Kristine-1: So I typically will stay in each city for at least some months to really get an idea and a feel for the culture, to make sure that I make some meaningful connections with locals in the area.
• 4:28
  KG Kristine-1: Usually, I stay in a country for at least 3 months.
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  KG Kristine-1: Though right now, I'm looking to purchase my first international property, so I'm gonna stay in Mexico for a little bit longer than that, about 5 months.
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  KG Kristine-1: But usually, 1 month per city, 3 months per country is my flow.
• 4:47
  KG Dawn-1: Ah, I like that.
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  KG Dawn-1: Okay.
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  KG Dawn-1: Well, tell us some other places that you've been in the last 3 years and lived and worked.
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  KG Kristine-1: Columbia, Ecuador, Panama, Mexico, Guatemala, Georgia, the country, Argentina, Brazil, Canada.
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  KG Kristine-1: I'm probably missing something, but that's what I remember off the top of my head.
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  KG Kristine-1: I've visited other countries, throughout that, but those are the ones that I spent a lot of time in and actually lived in.
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  KG Dawn-1: Yeah.
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  KG Dawn-1: Okay.
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  KG Dawn-1: So what does it look like to be a psychiatrist, virtually from anywhere?
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  KG Dawn-1: What kind of workdays do you have?
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  KG Kristine-1: Yeah.
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  KG Kristine-1: So when I left the US and when I left academia, I always thought that working, 5 or 6 or 7 days a week was pretty backwards in having, you know, maybe 1 or 2 days off, so I decided to flip that.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so I've been working 2 days a week for 3 years now.
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  KG Kristine-1: I picked 2 days.
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  KG Kristine-1: That's the days that I do my consulting, any co coaching that I do.
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  KG Kristine-1: And all the other days, I just been enjoying my passions.
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  KG Kristine-1: So I travel.
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  KG Kristine-1: I see other areas.
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  KG Kristine-1: I I spend a lot of time at the beach.
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  KG Kristine-1: I just came from yoga class before this podcast.
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  KG Kristine-1: I, engage in other passions.
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  KG Kristine-1: I'll do things like take singing lessons.
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  KG Kristine-1: In my first couple years, I became an advanced wine professional.
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  KG Kristine-1: So just anything and everything that comes to my mind that I really enjoy or I'm like, I really wanna dive deep into this area.
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  KG Kristine-1: I've never really explored it the way I always wanted to.
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  KG Kristine-1: I really have that those 5 days a week to be able to do that, build a new business.
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  KG Kristine-1: Right now, like I said, I'm looking to build my international real estate portfolio, so I really get to lean into other things, outside of those 2 days.
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  KG Kristine-1: But during those 2 days, I'm typically, you know, at the computer, either I might be in a cafe, doing some work, or if I'm meeting with people, I'm in my office, wherever I'm living, and, yeah, I just kind of make it very easy and make it a a really flow workday.
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  KG Kristine-1: But I've noticed that working less than 20 hours a week for me doesn't really feel like work the way that it used to when I was working much longer than that.
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  KG Kristine-1: So when I work now, it's really a part of my week that brings me structure, that brings me more clarity, that really allows me to tap into all of my expertise and passions and the other things that really bring joy and more meaning to my
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  KG Dawn-1: That's such a good distinction, which is that work now is not this drudgery.
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  KG Dawn-1: It's this thing that brings structure, clarity, challenge, purpose, but leaves room for these other things that you would like to pursue.
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  KG Dawn-1: And it can be a passion or a new interest, something that when you move to a new place, you realize, like, oh, I'm really interested in this thing, like wine or, whatever it might be.
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  KG Dawn-1: I love that.
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  KG Dawn-1: I think that's great.
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  KG Dawn-1: And I wonder what kind of work is consulting in psychiatry?
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  KG Dawn-1: Are you seeing patients, or are you consulting with another type of a medical professional?
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  KG Kristine-1: So with the consulting aspect of that, it could be doing a case consultation.
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  KG Kristine-1: But a lot of times for me is consulting with other organizations like schools or pediatric practices who might be working 1 on 1 with patients and being able to, provide information or just more on my expertise on a particular case that's challenging for them.
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  KG Dawn-1: How did you find that sort of niche?
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  KG Dawn-1: Was there a job posting, or is this something that you created on your own like, I'm a consultant for particularly difficult pediatric psychiatry cases
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  KG Kristine-1: yeah.
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  KG Kristine-1: None of the remote opportunities that I've had or that I have have ever been posting anywhere.
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  KG Kristine-1: It's all things that I created because it's something that I wanted to do.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so I got them through networking with different organizations, um, with different practices, it was work that I was doing in academia.
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  KG Kristine-1: So it wasn't something that was new.
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  KG Kristine-1: It was something that I already knew that was needed.
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  KG Kristine-1: It was something that I enjoyed doing when I was employed and working for, someone else.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so it was just about making the connection to be able to do that same work that I love, on my own.
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  KG Dawn-1: Yeah.
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  KG Dawn-1: Okay.
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  KG Dawn-1: Well, since you mentioned academia again, tell us what incited you to lean out in a professional sense from that typical academic psychiatry position.
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  KG Kristine-1: Yeah.
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  KG Kristine-1: I I believe that as physicians throughout training, we're kind of geared to go in a certain direction.
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  KG Kristine-1: You know, it's like a algorithm that we follow.
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  KG Kristine-1: Either you're gonna maybe start a private practice or be part of a group or you're gonna do academia.
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  KG Kristine-1: That doesn't really seem like there's that much else.
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  KG Kristine-1: At least that's the way it's kind of laid out.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so I kind of started in the beginning with both.
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  KG Kristine-1: I did an LLC, and so I immediately started doing my own contract work right out out of the fellowship, at least my first fellowship.
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  KG Kristine-1: And I got into academia, I thought, oh, it's gonna get better this time because I'm an attending.
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  KG Kristine-1: But, to my disbelief, it did not get better.
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  KG Kristine-1: You know, there were even longer hours.
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  KG Kristine-1: I had more responsibilities.
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  KG Kristine-1: I still haven't quite learned how to say no, um, when people asked me to do things.
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  KG Kristine-1: There were a lot of things that I was passionate about, and I ended up doing all of them plus 10 other things.
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  KG Kristine-1: Um, and so, you know, I found myself in this place where was working with the communities that I've always wanted to work with since I was young because I wanted to be a doctor since I was 8 years old.
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  KG Kristine-1: So I was finally, like, here and I was in leadership, and I was, you know, teaching and leading the the new, child psychiatry fellows.
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  KG Kristine-1: I was doing all of the things that were really, really important to me, but I was more stressed out, burnt out, and later depressed than ever to the point that I was beginning to experience all of these physical manifestations of that, you know, emotional angst.
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  KG Kristine-1: And, it sent me eventually to the neurologist office because I started to have twitches constantly all over my body.
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  KG Kristine-1: And I was at that point, like, okay.
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  KG Kristine-1: Now I have some devastating, uh, like, neurological thing going on.
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  KG Kristine-1: Probably within 5 minutes of me being in the office, kind of, like, ranting about, you know, work is so stressful for me.
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  KG Kristine-1: I don't know what to do about my job.
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  KG Kristine-1: He just kind of, like, cut me off and just stopped.
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  KG Kristine-1: Let me just prescribe naloxone problem.
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  KG Kristine-1: And for me, I was just like, this is what they do at the doctor?
• 12:39
  KG Kristine-1: This is why I don't like talking to you that often.
• 12:42
  KG Kristine-1: You know?
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  KG Kristine-1: Um, it just seem even as a psychiatrist, like, it's not the first thing I would ever say to anyone, who's coming in with a challenge, especially something specific about their their job and really not getting to, like, the underlying issues.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so in that moment, it really helped me to clarify that, wasn't a serotonin imbalance that I was having, but it really was a lifestyle imbalance.
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  KG Kristine-1: My life really wasn't leaning in the direction of the things that I value most, of the things that inspire me the most, and I really needed to, create, a more balanced place for myself.
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  KG Kristine-1: And so once I left that office, I said, you know, I have to change something.
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  KG Kristine-1: I had already had a 5 year plan of when I was gonna, leave the country but I converted it to a 5 month plan, and I put in my my 4 months.
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  KG Kristine-1: I didn't give it 2 weeks.
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  KG Kristine-1: I gave it 4 months.
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  KG Kristine-1: I was working in, like, 10 different clinics, so that would have not been fun for anyone.
• 13:41
  KG Kristine-1: But, I gave my 4 months and, uh, bought a 1 way ticket to Columbia.
• 13:46
  KG Dawn-1: Wow.
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  KG Dawn-1: It sounds like you had this vision that you wanted to travel more and you wanted adventure in your life, but it was kind of on the back burner.
• 13:56
  KG Dawn-1: Like, someday or when I'm when I'm stable, when I've had this many years under my belt or the that kind of thing.
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  KG Dawn-1: And then it it just flipped when you had this stress induced problem that that caused you to realize, hey.
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  KG Dawn-1: Why am I not just doing it now?
• 14:14
  KG Dawn-1: Tell me about the other side of your work that you typically do a couple of days a week.
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  KG Dawn-1: You have the the consulting and then also the coaching.
• 14:26
  KG Dawn-1: What kind of physicians are you coaching?
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  KG Dawn-1: What, um, what are their issues that they come to you with?
• 14:32
  KG Kristine-1: So for my coaching business, the I coach all different types of physicians.
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  KG Kristine-1: So everywhere from family medicine to, different types of, specialists, surgeons.
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  KG Kristine-1: It doesn't really matter their particular specialty, psychologists as well.
• 14:49
  KG Kristine-1: And, usually, what they come to me for is wanting to change something about their lifestyle, usually more time freedom and location freedom.
• 14:59
  KG Kristine-1: There's a lot of physicians who you kinda just spoke to this, but they've been thinking for a long time.
• 15:04
  KG Kristine-1: Like, I always wanted to travel 6 months out of the year with my children, or I always wanted to, you know, live abroad, or I always wanted to figure out how I could create this, lifestyle of time freedom that will allow me to pick my kids up from school and travel when I want to and not have to put my, you know, vacation days in 6 months in advance or just have those kind of flexibility that they want.
• 15:33
  KG Kristine-1: Usually, that's the reason that they come to me.
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  KG Kristine-1: And for some physicians, it's earlier on in their career.
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  KG Kristine-1: Like, they come out of training and they've seen a lot of what other attendings have experienced, what they've heard about, and they know they wanna create a different type of lifestyle from the very beginning.
• 15:52
  KG Kristine-1: Others have been practicing.
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  KG Kristine-1: They're more, you know, been in their career for 5, you know, to 10 years, and they're thinking about making a change because at this point, they might be really burnt out, stressed out, depressed, and so what I really help them with, 1, is creating a strategic plan that allows them to really map out what that's gonna look like and what steps they would need to take along their journey in order to achieve their time and location freedom, and also to really dream with them.
• 16:26
  KG Kristine-1: Like, allow them to really get into a place where they think of no limitations and really think about the type of lifestyle that they really want to have and what that's gonna look like.
• 16:39
  KG Kristine-1: For others, it's overcoming challenges, self limiting thoughts that might be getting in the way.
• 16:44
  KG Kristine-1: I know I have mine when I was leaving.
• 16:48
  KG Kristine-1: Is this gonna work out?
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  KG Kristine-1: How am I gonna get health insurance?
• 16:51
  KG Kristine-1: What about finances?
• 16:52
  KG Kristine-1: So all of these things that come up that really can hinder us in a way, from seeking the things that we really want in life.
• 16:59
  KG Kristine-1: And then I also have some physician or doctor too are actually already location free, but they're still trying to live their ideal life lifestyle.
• 17:11
  KG Kristine-1: They're trying to figure out what their flow should be.
• 17:14
  KG Kristine-1: I always tell dogs, you can burn out doing anything.
• 17:18
  KG Kristine-1: You can burn out doing things that you really hate to do, and you can also burn out doing things that you really love to do.
• 17:24
  KG Kristine-1: It's really about creating that balance.
• 17:26
  KG Kristine-1: And so some will come to me already having certain freedoms, but they just haven't quite figured out how to create it in a way that provides optimal balance and flow for their lives, and so we'll kind of work on how they can best do that.
• 17:42
  KG Dawn-1: Definitely, you can burn out doing anything.
• 17:44
  KG Dawn-1: I've heard of people burning out on a journey to financial independence even just, you know, reading all of the things.
• 17:54
  KG Dawn-1: Um, I know people that have burned out doing passion projects such as what we're currently doing, living off grid on a homestead.
• 18:03
  KG Dawn-1: There's, a tremendous amount of new things to learn, and it can become overwhelming.
• 18:08
  KG Dawn-1: So you're right that the skills that people learn when they go to a coach may be related to optimizing their work life balance, they can apply to other areas in their life.
• 18:19
  KG Dawn-1: If you have certain thought patterns, it can always be an issue where, if you change your circumstance, you still will fall into those thought patterns if you don't interrupt that and have someone, pointing at that so you have really a huge gamut of types of people that you're coaching.
• 18:37
  KG Dawn-1: 1 thing that you mentioned when you were talking about, actions that you take with clients is mapping out with them, a plan for maybe a transition.
• 18:48
  KG Dawn-1: What do you tell people about navigating uncertainty, or how have you navigated the uncertainty of being a nomad and not necessarily knowing where your paycheck is gonna come from?
• 19:01
  KG Kristine-1: Yeah.
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  KG Kristine-1: I think the beginning of that is really taking the time to get clarity on what you really want, and that was really the first step for me.
• 19:13
  KG Kristine-1: First, I had to know exactly what I wanted so that I could go after that, so I could lean in that particular direction.
• 19:21
  KG Kristine-1: And then I would say the second step really is the commitment.
• 19:28
  KG Kristine-1: Where you make the decision that's the putting in the 4 months.
• 19:32
  KG Kristine-1: That's the buying the 1 way ticket because we were talking about the self limiting thoughts.
• 19:38
  KG Kristine-1: They will come up, and then you'll wanna kind of backtrack at some different point, especially if things get challenging.
• 19:46
  KG Kristine-1: So the goal is really once you have the clarity of what you want to just commit make that decision to do it.
• 19:52
  KG Kristine-1: I think the third step is to really have courage.
• 19:59
  KG Kristine-1: You know?
• 19:59
  KG Kristine-1: It it takes courage and by the very definition of courage, it means that fear is present.
• 20:05
  KG Kristine-1: So it's not that you won't be scared.
• 20:07
  KG Kristine-1: It's not that, there weren't won't be some aspects of it that, the uncertainty will will have you, you know, thinking about all the things that could possibly go wrong, but it's that you'll move forward regardless.
• 20:22
  KG Kristine-1: So being able to really use that opportunity to continually enhance your courage and move forward anyway, is really helpful.
• 20:33
  KG Kristine-1: And I think the fourth step really for me is creating the plan.
• 20:38
  KG Kristine-1: You know, I I also like an algorithm.
• 20:41
  KG Kristine-1: I also like steps.
• 20:43
  KG Kristine-1: That's the thing that I've noticed about the medical journey.
• 20:46
  KG Kristine-1: It takes a long time, and it can be challenging.
• 20:49
  KG Kristine-1: But because you kinda know the things that you need to do, you're like, okay.
• 20:53
  KG Kristine-1: Well, once I get here, once I get there, once I get there, you know, you can kind of map it out.
• 20:57
  KG Kristine-1: But when it comes to something like entrepreneurism or it comes to something like creating a life style that you haven't seen any other doctors create, then, you know, that uncertainty can come in.
• 21:11
  KG Kristine-1: But I think that no matter what it is that you wanna do, you can always create some kind of outline, some kind of plan.
• 21:18
  KG Kristine-1: And for me, being able to help other dogs create being able to make the algorithm along with them really helps to kinda mitigate some of that uncertainty because they at least know what the next step is looking like.
• 21:32
  KG Kristine-1: Um, and I would say lastly is having connection.
• 21:37
  KG Kristine-1: Because when you are in connection or collaboration with other people, when you've spoken to other people who've been able to do maybe not everything that you're trying to do, but maybe they certain people have certain aspects of something that you're wanting to do.
• 21:52
  KG Kristine-1: But knowing that it's possible, seeing how they did it, being able to build in that sense of community, that accountability to actually show up for yourself and doing the things that you really, really wanna do.
• 22:06
  KG Kristine-1: I think all of those things really help to quell the uncertainty and help you to move forward regardless.
• 22:13
  KG Dawn-1: Definitely very good points.
• 22:16
  KG Dawn-1: And I think the idea that courage is knowing that you're going to have fear and that, you need to live with the fear and accept it as part of the journey is really key.
• 22:29
  KG Dawn-1: And the idea of having a plan but knowing that the plan may not go exactly the way it is, um, is very good.
• 22:35
  KG Dawn-1: And what's the very next step?
• 22:37
  KG Dawn-1: What's just the 1 step that I need to take next can be very comforting.
• 22:43
  KG Dawn-1: And I love that you brought up connections and, looking to connections not just with others that have gone in the same path, which is why I do this podcast, but also, like, connection with yourself.
• 22:56
  KG Dawn-1: And do you have your own back?
• 22:58
  KG Dawn-1: Do you love yourself?
• 22:59
  KG Dawn-1: Do you believe in yourself?
• 23:01
  KG Dawn-1: I love all of those ideas.
• 23:04
  KG Dawn-1: I want to ask you a little bit more about your lifestyle and know what is the the best part and the worst part of being a digital nomad and moving around so frequently.
• 23:18
  KG Kristine-1: I would say that the best part is connections that you make with people all over the world.
• 23:27
  KG Kristine-1: I've had the opportunity to learn just so much about myself for sure.
• 23:32
  KG Kristine-1: Absolutely.
• 23:33
  KG Kristine-1: Like, more than I ever knew about myself, but also to just learn about humanity.
• 23:40
  KG Kristine-1: Yeah.
• 23:40
  KG Kristine-1: I feel like growing up in the US, there's so much that I learned from media about certain locations, about the world, and being there, living there, being on the ground.
• 23:52
  KG Kristine-1: You know, I've been in situations where, I had a medical emergency and someone that I met a week before, cooked every day for me, took me to the hospital, made sure I got back.
• 24:06
  KG Kristine-1: Like, just the the sense of compassion, the sense of love that that people will have, people that you don't really know.
• 24:17
  KG Kristine-1: I've been in other countries and just casually mentioned like, oh, yeah.
• 24:21
  KG Kristine-1: My birthday is next week, and they've, you know, given me whole tours of the wine region in that country for free because it's my birthday.
• 24:28
  KG Kristine-1: Just really, really loving things.
• 24:30
  KG Kristine-1: And, for me, that's really the most wonderful part of traveling.
• 24:36
  KG Kristine-1: I try when I go to each country to make sure that when I leave, I have a connection that is so meaningful that that person is probably gonna pick me up in the airport when I get back.
• 24:48
  KG Kristine-1: You know?
• 24:49
  KG Kristine-1: So, um, that's really my goal.
• 24:50
  KG Kristine-1: I would say the the worst part or the most challenging part of being a nomad is while I'm making, or creating meaningful connections, sometimes I can't be, you know, let's say, somewhere where my family is at the drop of a hat.
• 25:10
  KG Kristine-1: Like, this year, my family did not plan out that they were gonna meet for Christmas.
• 25:14
  KG Kristine-1: They just decided the week before that they were randomly gonna do something, and I was already somewhere else in the world.
• 25:20
  KG Kristine-1: And I was like, I mean, I could, but, I'm probably not just gonna take all these flights and change everything around to go there.
• 25:29
  KG Kristine-1: So sometimes it means that I'm choosing to miss other moments because I'm creating, another experience somewhere else in the world.
• 25:39
  KG Kristine-1: So I would say that for me is probably the more of a challenging aspect.
• 25:44
  KG Dawn-1: Yeah.
• 25:45
  KG Dawn-1: I understand that.
• 25:46
  KG Dawn-1: At least nowadays, we have so much advanced technology that we through the Internet and through video, FaceTimes and Zooms and chats, we can see people that are in our family or loved ones that we, can't get to physically.
• 26:06
  KG Dawn-1: Just as we're closing, I wanna know if you have any advice that you would give other women who are feeling burned out and overwhelmed.
• 26:14
  KG Dawn-1: And in that place that you were in when you were in academic psychiatry saying, oh, I thought this was gonna get better, and my work life balance is not better, and maybe it's even worse.
• 26:27
  KG Kristine-1: Yeah.
• 26:28
  KG Kristine-1: You know, I would say that if you sit in silence and you really take the time to think about what it is that you want and you find that you have a deep spiritual longing for anything, For me, it was travel.
• 26:48
  KG Kristine-1: Don't ignore that feeling.
• 26:50
  KG Kristine-1: I would say, for me, it it was an outward journey for an inward purpose.
• 26:58
  KG Kristine-1: And so if you really need to lean in in to anything, I would say lean in to that whisper, that inkling, that desire, that inspiration that comes up for you.
• 27:11
  KG Kristine-1: And then find a community or a person, someone that can hold you accountable and support you in moving forward in that direction.
• 27:22
  KG Dawn-1: Great advice.
• 27:24
  KG Dawn-1: Christine, thank you so much for being on the show, and we will be linking your website.
• 27:30
  KG Dawn-1: Can you tell us the name of your website again?
• 27:33
  KG Kristine-1: Yes.
• 27:33
  KG Kristine-1: It's the nomad m d dot com.
• 27:36
  KG Dawn-1: The nomad m d dot com.
• 27:39
  KG Dawn-1: Again, thank you so much.
• 27:41
  KG Kristine-1: Thank you.
• 27:44
  Christine made some drastic changes in her life, but did it with a plan in mind.
• 27:50
  Here are my takeaways from our conversation.
• 27:53
  Number one.
• 27:54
  If you're receiving a new health diagnosis in the midst of chronic stress, that should always be assigned to examine your work-life balance.
• 28:01
  Christine described, having all over muscle twitches and going to a neurologist.
• 28:05
  And I was particularly struck when she said, I realized it wasn't a serotonin imbalance, but a lifestyle and balance.
• 28:13
  This is coming from a psychiatrist.
• 28:15
  Stress and burnout lead to physical health manifestations.
• 28:18
  And sometimes these can be reversed if we address our lifestyle first.
• 28:24
  Number two.
• 28:25
  You can burn out doing anything.
• 28:27
  It's key to work on your mindset as you're navigating a lean out journey, because if you have the same thought patterns in place, when you're in a stressful work situation, those can translate over to new circumstances.
• 28:40
  Get equipped with the tools to examine your own thoughts and take care of yourself now.
• 28:45
  If you need help with this, send me a message or at the very least check out the lean out book for some great exercises that you can easily incorporate into your life.
• 28:55
  Number three.
• 28:57
  Explore the extremes of emotions.
• 28:59
  This is the definition of confidence.
• 29:02
  The willingness to experience any feeling and know that you'll be okay.
• 29:06
  Christine loves to work with clients to map out their wildest dreams.
• 29:10
  She also reminded us that it's okay to be scared and to go to the place in your mind where you're imagining the worst case scenario.
• 29:17
  After these extremes, you can settle into the right next step.
• 29:21
  And that will help you to weather the uncertainty of making a big change.
• 29:26
  Please check out the show notes.
• 29:28
  If you'd like to get in touch with me or Christine.
• 29:32
  My parting question to you is channeling Mary Oliver.
• 29:35
  What is the one thing you'd like to do with your wild and precious life?
• 29:41
  Thanks for listening to the lean out podcast.
• 29:44
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• 29:56
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• 30:12
  You can also support my work by buying my book, lean out a professional woman's guide to finding authentic work-life balance for yourself, a friend, family member, or coworker.
• 30:25
  Have a great day and we'll see you next time