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One Of My Favorite Interviews Ever With Brothers Osborne · Inside Country with Wayne D

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It's always a good day when I can get big old celebrities, music icons,
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rock stars in here, and then other days I got to settle for
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Brothers Osmond. Wonder where that was going? Damn, how do we get
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out of here? You paid for an hour at parking? Just hang out
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with me? John Tisa, how are you guys? How about your life
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is good? Man? We got y'all in here. We're talking new music.
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I'm going to jump right into the music creation thing because it feels like
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everybody's doing it different than they were five years ago, whether they're doing it
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faster, or they're more focused on one song versus a pile of songs or
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so. Over the five years, obviously streaming has changed that, social media
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has changed that, COVID change that. So what is different five years ago
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from how Brothers Osborne create music to now? I mean, there's been so
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many things put me in especially over ten years. You know, we first
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got signed, and you know, I think at least for us, I
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mean, what we're in the middle of doing now is we're releasing an EP
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out in response to just things changing and getting music out there faster. As
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a lot of people are releasing music a lot more often, and there's just
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so much to listen to and be heard. So on this you know,
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this EP we just put out, for instance, has two new tracks on
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it, but it's got two tracks from the last release we had that we
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thought just got overlooked. And most people don't even realize their re releases,
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which proves our point. There's so much music going on, So I think
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now we're going to try to change it up, try to be a little
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bit more on our feet with things and be able to put music out there
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faster because people like to consume stuff so fast. Now knowing that you can
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re release a song in the manner you just explained. You guys, anytime
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I've interacted with you or we've talked music or anything like that, like your
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heart and I don't want to I'm not talking ill on anybody else, but
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there's something about your heart being into things you create. Right, Does that
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make sense? Like every song feels like it means more to you than it
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Yeah, Well, you invest yourself into your art. I think every true
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artist does. And you know it's it's really hard because you put out an
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album let's say, eleven songs, and then if you're lucky. You get
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two of those songs on the radio and you start moving on to your next
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album writing and recording and stuff like that, and they're like, well,
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there are nine of those songs that I poured my heart out on. And
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it's not like you go, ah, this song is pretty cool, so
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let's just kind of half asset and move on to the next one. No,
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you treat everyone like they're the most important song to you. And I
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think that's just kind of how we're wired. We can't help it, you
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know. And I'll go back and listen to some songs that even our fans
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don't probably love as much as I do, and I think, man,
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I think this is really great. It's like hurts me to know that this
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song might never see the get the love it deserves. You know. It's
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like your children, you really love them like that. When it comes to
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putting out music. What is what's the one song that comes to mind when
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I say what song is meant the most that didn't connect the way you thought
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it did, or better yet, the song you did for you your fans
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first, right, But at the end of the day, what's the song
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that you did like, Hey, hope they love it, but this one's
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for me. There's I mean, I've been a couple of but I'll say,
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you know, the thing is, it's is And I guess we did
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get attention for it, but younger me was that way, you know,
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a song I would kind of a responsibility coming out. And then John's own
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personal trials and we realized that life isn't you know, it's kind of no
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one really gets a hall pass in this world, and it's difficult on us
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in so many ways. We're the hardest on ourselves always, and you know,
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we released that song. However, it wasn't a single for us,
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and as in our most highest stream song, but it also is a song
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that it means so much to a specific person. It won us our first
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Grammy Award, and there's so many It just was written from a place where
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we weren't thinking about what's going to be a hit, what's going to be
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a party. It was just like what do I emotionally need to get out
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and and say? And when it connects to people, it connects in a
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way that a lot of other songs don't own that really really deep level.
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But then there's also other songs that aren't as necessarily from an emotional place that
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we recorded a song called Weed, Whiskey and Willy that we knew would we
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work on a single it. You know, It's just we thought it was
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a cool country like we love always like having a tip of the hat to
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old like kind of more traditional country on our record, and that song really
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became like a crowd favorite if we get asked to play it all the time.
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Now, I would have never guessed it was for us. It was
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more kind of like, I think that we want to do this. I
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don't care what Nashville wants to hear. This is what we want to do.
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And it's interesting how sometimes that it's it ends up being the other way
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around. And then inversely, there's some times where I'm like, they're gonna
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love this and they don't, so, you know, and then you move
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on, what's what's the one song out of out of you know, you
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named a couple there, but what's one song that connected that you're still doing
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today that you're like every now and again, elbow yourself like, yeah,
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I mean, honestly, read Whiskey really is that one? I mean,
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when we have a set, it's pretty much for the most part, every
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song in this set has been some sort of single or it has had some
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attention to it. Most of the songs that we have built in our sets
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a radio singles, and that song Never Again, we never really spent time
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promoting it. It just took on a life of its own, and I
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think people kind of dig the old school six' eight country side of things.
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But it also, you know, it talks about the things that we
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love most, which is like old school country and drinking and smoking weed,
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and who doesn't love those three things? And you know, and that's just
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part of like us being honest as to who we are, especially who we
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were then don't smoke as much as I used to, And I don't know
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if it resonated with people, and there's a bit of nostalgia in it,
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and it gets some of the biggest responses out of any of our songs.
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Knowing how much heart you put into what you guys create and how things have
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changed over time, is there a song that you look back as the guys
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that you've grown into individually and together today, you look back at songs you
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put out like Brothers Osbourne today wouldn't have done that then, Yeah, Well,
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I think Rum is probably, you know, a good example of that,
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and it's just because we've changed so much our sound. You know,
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it's almost weird even playing that song and our seconds it sounds, so it's
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such an outlier, but it's also cool for that reason. I mean,
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I do, I do think it is a song though I think you could
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easily make an argument had we released that song now, it would have been
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a much bigger hit than it was then. And you know, when you're
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first starting out, that was like the first song that really introduced us to
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people. And quite often that's not usually the song that takes the artist at
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number one, but it is the first one that gets them known and gets
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them across the finish line with another song, and that was that song for
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us. However, people still like to hear it, and we still play
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it because it is fun. But it is a total outlier from the rest
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of the stuff that we've done since and we're currently doing now. But that's
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not to say I mean, if I heard it again, I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know if we would record it or not.
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But there are some songs that I'm like, man, if we have
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if we could have released this now, it would be it would probably would
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have been a huge hit for us, knowing how intense you guys can be.
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And maybe that's not the right word, but how oh I can be
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intense? No, maybe not, John, I definitely can be intense with
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the writing process that that portion of the creation. Do you get offered songs
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a lot? Are you kind of like like we do it? We we
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could offered songs every now and again. I tell you it's it's funny because
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when people send us songs and it doesn't happen that often because we've written all
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of our songs, but it sounds like someone sometimes it sounds like someone tried
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to rewrite one of our songs that we put out, and like we don't
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really even do that ourselves. And I can see why they would think,
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like this could be a cool Brother's Osborne song, But I'm like, it
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kind of sounds likely in my fault, like we've kind of done that already.
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But lately we've been sent a few songs We're like, Okay, this
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is really cool. Maybe not one hundred percent for us, but I'm appreciating
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that we're getting to hear songs that are being written in a completely different way,
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and we were the people they in that process. So it is a
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high honor when it comes to an EP versus an album. I feel like
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we've talked to a lot of artists so far in twenty twenty four about EP
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versus like here's a full album? Is an EP like a break from like
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the work of a full album, or like, what's the difference for you
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guys on that part? Well, the Devin Sara would be, I mean,
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to do a full length record, it just takes a lot of time
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to get the material together. It also takes a lot of time to record
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it, get in edit it, do all the stuff you gotta do.
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I mean, it's very time consuming. And then when you do that,
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you're usually not going to put something out for another two or three years.
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And by the way, before you go into even by that time that's released,
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a lot of times you've recorded that a year before then and wrote it
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a year or two before that. So by the time you're hearing a song,
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it could be three or four years old, and then we got to
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wait another two or three years to put out another album, And so it
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can be a really huge swing in creativity there. And so for us to
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be able to put more music out are more frequently, maybe not as much
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music. Then we can kind of stay on something whatever we're currently feeling at
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that moment, whether it be lyrically or musically, and kind of we can
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keep adjusting and making however, we want to pivot at any point in time
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musically, and so that's kind of that's how it is for us. And
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I think for this we preempted on this record and we went and record our
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last one, and we recorded some tracks with the anticipation that we would release
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them in an EP later on, and so we want to our plane of
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now is to keep keep running on that. And you know, we've we've
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always prided ourselves and being making full length records that you'd want to listen to
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in front the back. But you know, we've done that four times now
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and I think we've proven that we can do that to our hopefully you know,
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to our fans and to us and and so now we just want to
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switch it up a little bit, you know, kind of stay on our
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toes a little and being a little bit more active in the creative aspect of
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it. Uh. The title is break Mine. That's the name of the
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song coming to country radio. How does that? How does that fit for
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where you guys are as brothers, as a band, as creators on the
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process, Like, how does this fit? Maybe you're not building a puzzle,
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but it feels like every artist is building a puzzle with their work,
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you know what I mean? Well, yeah, the kind of are I
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mean? If it like, if you listen to someone's work over time,
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chronologically, you'll hear how their writing has shifted. You'll hear how the music
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has shifted, how they're singing changes. But one of the cool things about
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this is it it's a little bit throwback to our first album, pawn Shop,
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unintentionally, but that's still a big part of who we are. If
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you kind of mash up like twenty one Summer and stay a little longer,
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this would be the song that you got And then those are two big songs
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in our sets. So we still perform to this day and they don't feel
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old to us. They don't feel a decade old or eight years old,
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or however long it is. It still feels like very much a part of
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our vocabulary. So it does fit in the bigger picture of things. But
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sonically it has evolved it has grown. I mean we've He's improved as a
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singer, I've improved as a musician. It's just it's a bit more a
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grown up version of who we were a decade ago. When it comes to
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this being like, I always feel like the first song off of a project,
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whether it's the album EP is almost like a handshake. Not that you
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have to reintroduce yourselves, right, but it's almost like introducing the latest chapter
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of you. Why did this song make sense for that? Well? I
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mean I again, I think, you know, going back to what would
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be the kind of the chapter this next thing is. We kind of felt
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like that we did that really heavily on our last record, which was self
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titled Brothers Osborne. Yeah, and we felt like that was particularly important in
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that moment, just because we had both shared a lot about ourselves. It
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had been the years since we released new music, and as we springborne off
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of this, I think it's about you know, I think that I guess,
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to use your analogy, it does feel at times like there is always
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has to be this reintroduction with a new album, and I think the way
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we might tie these together is that it might just always kind of feel like
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the story is just running on and continuing, and we don't need to have
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to pick up from somewhere that was a dead space, and we can just
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kind of keep having these stepping stones to carry us through on to wherever we're
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going to lead next. Over the past few years, the interactions that I've
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been lucky enough to have with you guys, it feels like you have hit
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a point in your career where you've learned how to put yourself first. But
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like, the hustle can exist, but it's going to exist in this shell,
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and then outside of that, it's almost like a mental health thing,
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right, So at what point did you start balancing that and when you do,
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how do you tell it? Because you have a different breaking point than
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your brother and vice versa, right as far as like I need a break,
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so how do you How do you do that? And how do you
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guys communicate to each other like, Hey, I'm gonna need a few days.
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Yeah, Honestly, I think the first thing that you have to do
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is be able to communicate with yourself. You know, when you're young and
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you're just pushing on and to pursue the dream is hard. It requires all
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of your energy and re cuires all of your time, and you miss birthdays,
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and you miss big events with your family, and you miss your own
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birthdays. You just kind of just put everything through the side, and eventually
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your body and your mind starts going, hey, uh, I need a
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little help over here, and you're like, I'll be fine, I'll get
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to later. I'll get to it later. I'll get to a later,
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I'll get TOI later. And then you have a breaking point and you're like,
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oh my god, what happened. You get through it and you look
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back and go, wow, I missed a lot of red flags coming from
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within. So you you learn to be more privy to your own needs and
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your own red flags, and you don't ignore those signs because they start out
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small and they don't they gradually get bigger. And then after that you have
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to respect that you're a human being. I mean, you only have so
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much time in your life. I have kids now. You have to consciously
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make space for those things because it's your quality of life. And you know,
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we're very open with like how we feel, and you know, we're
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lucky that we have a management team that for like, hey, its getting
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a little crazy with dial it back, like absolutely, we'll do that.
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But in this industry, you have to advocate for yourself because if you don't
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do it, no one else is going to do it for you. Yeah.
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I think when you first start out, you're like, I mean,
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we're go getters. Some we worked up in a you know, we grew
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up very blue collar, so we're just like opportunity yes, opportunity yes,
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Like I'll take all of them. And then yeah, you do get to
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a point where you're like, at some point in time, you do need
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to say no. And because you more so even just I mean, I
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guess the mental health you want to call it, but you just get to
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this place of burnout where you just you just start to hate it. Like
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even though you're doing these amazing things and you're playing amazing venues and you achieve
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your dream, you start resenting it for a while because it starts taking all
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of your time and you're like, well, I'm not really enjoying any of
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this anymore. And so for us to have a space to have a healthy
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relationship with it is I think it's something that we've really been good at.
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We don't always hit the mark, but I think currently going out when you
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are in that head space and you can make music that way. Go out
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and play a show, and I'm not out there feeling like God, I
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do not want to be here. I'm feeling oh man, it's amazing.
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It just makes everything better, like it makes things better at home, makes
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things better out on the road. And that's been It's taken us a long
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time to learn that. We learned it the hard way in some ways,
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but that's been been a big thing. Just also, just stop and smell
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the roses. You know, it's hard to do. There is a big
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show coming up May fourth in Austin, Texas. And I don't know how
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far ahead you look in your calendar, or maybe I'm usually not that far,
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but this show is big enough that I know it's coming. The iHeart
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Country Festival it's back this year. You guys were a surprise last year.
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Yeah, but you're announced this year. You're part of the big show this
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year. El Dean, It's Jelly Roll, it's Lady A, it's you
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guys, it's old dominion. Knowing that this becomes like a melting pot of
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the artists doing it better than anybody else today. What does it mean to
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see your name on a list like that, and what do knights like that
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mean to you guys? Well, it's important to us because we've had,
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like, we're very appreciative of radio, and radio has been very good to
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us. But we always kind of like walked on the margins of it,
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not you know, out it wasn't our intention, but we've always kind of
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done our thing and we've never really changed the way we sound or how we
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write. So we're grateful for all of the help that we have had knowing
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that we are a little bit different, but for us to keep doing our
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thing, and then for us to see our name amidst that kind of list
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and that is a diverse group of sound coming out of one genre. It
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just kind of makes us feel better about the genre as a whole because it
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is wider than it's ever been. I mean, you look, you've got
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Laney, and you've got Jelly, and it's like you know, and then
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you've got Lady A and all Dominion now us, I mean, that is
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a lot of different sounds and we're just lucky to be a part of this
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beautiful quilt that we call country music. Yeah, and last time we played
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there at that Fast of All was such a fun time, you know,
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and and there's so many times for I mean not to be frank, but
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there's so many times where radio shows are not that fun. Yeah, So
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walk out there and I was like, damn, this is the this is
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actually fun as hell. Like we had. We had a great, a
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great time. We loved it. Plus being an Austin just a great spot.
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But you know, we've gone there because that's you know, the big
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show. But we it makes me think all the way back to to like
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when we were just because that event was happening, We're like, well,
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let's go there and through an after show party where people can come out because
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they're going to be in town and kind of like ride the coattails of that
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event to be to be to playing at the event. It's cool and that's
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like one of the coolest things in our whole career, Like rooms that we
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were opening in that we're now the headliner are in and all of that kind
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of stuff. It's it's like, it's it reminds us how far we've come.
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Every time a normal tour is stop is I'd imagine you're building the set
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list, and we've talked set lists a while ago. When you guys are
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in here. It's you know, it's you got to do this, You
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got to do this throughout this show. The iHeart Country Festival is built.
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We're like, here's your time, here's your time. Right, It's really
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like bang out. You know your songs, you know tempo, you know,
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mixing the big hits whatever. How do you build a set list for
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something like that, whether it's like a twenty twenty five thirty minutes set versus
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you know, you're playing for an hour and a half, two hours if
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you feel froggy that night whenever. How's this difference between building the two Well,
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I mean, the thing is there that would be a little challenging,
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you know, like right off the bat would be you're gonna want to come
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out swinging, but then everyone's want to be coming out swinging, and at
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some point in time when everyone's swinging all night long, it just gets a
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little like it just wears you out. So you're like, how do you
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then be able to have a moment where But then again you don't want to,
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like, you don't know anyone else's set, so I don't want to
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come out here and you know and play like a chill set when the person
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before me just played a whole set of ballads and you're next thing, Everyone's
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like boring, you know, so I think you do when I have like
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how do you come in hot have a moment where you can bring them down
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and back up. I mean, I think we're pretty pretty good at that.
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But we'll I don't know how long we have to play, but I
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know last time we played it, we had a good time, and we'll
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usually come. We like to be the band that gives the crowd what they
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want. And I'm the type of person when I'm there and if I were
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to see a band, I'm like, hey, I love your new music.
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And as much as I want to play new songs on and I we
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want to put new songs, I also win the type of person I'm like,
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hey, I'm sorry, but play the play the hits like come on,
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give them tim so let me let me back you into a corner.
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Then may fourth Moody center lights go low, big Fancy Brothers, Osborne,
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introduction by Bobby Bones or whoever's you know doing your your innswer at that point,
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what's the first song that you come out with? Will and Nelson cover
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last thing? I want to ask you guys, is uh Country music has
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become so much more than just write it, record it, put it out.
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There's a lot of noise outside of just the music, whether it's I
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mean, you guys have done the you know, put your name on the
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whistle Pig right like whistle Pig on that special release. People are opening bars.
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There's a new bar about every other day with an artist or band's name
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on it. Where do you guys see yourselves outside of just the music?
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Like, what what do you want to do? Obviously you're nominated again.
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You can't have an award show without a Brothers Osborne nomination. Let's go.
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But other than that, that was my way of saying same to you,
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thank you. But when it when it comes to that extra stuff, is
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it important? Well no, not at all. I mean, in fact,
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I think the more you get, the more you realize how much that
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doesn't really do anything for your happiness. And I've actually been trying to refocus
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on my life just as of late, of just of how do I be
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of service to others and give back in a way that because it fulfills me
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way more than any of this stuff, you know, and I trust me,
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I want more, but I know when I get more, I'm still
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gonna want more. And you know, there's there. There is a quote
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I heard once from two famous authors when being Joseph Heller who wrote Catch twenty
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two and then what's the kind sold our house? And it's don't having all
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his book spent Kurt Vonnegut, but there are you know, a billionaire's house,
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and and he's like, Wow, you have the biggest book the world
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right now, and you're not even close to touching what this guy has.
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And he goes, yeah, but I have something that he will never have
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enough. Yeah, And that and that is where, uh, that's where
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I've been trying to live a little bit these days. And it's I know,
21:12
I'm getting ready to wrap here. Uh. It's crazy because I just
21:15
had a similar conversation with somebody on the radio side about something that I was
21:21
chasing, and I got it and it didn't do what I thought. It
21:23
never does. It never does what you think it's going to. And I
21:27
got it, and I'm like, and it didn't do what I thought it
21:30
would do. For so like the fact, and literally I'm talking this is
21:33
the conversation that happened like an hour and a half ago. Really yeah,
21:36
And in fact it's in fact, it's even it makes you feel even way
21:40
worse because you're like, wait, well I worked all of that and it
21:44
didn't give me anything. Now you feel even worse than you did before you
21:45
got there, because you're like, I thought this was the answer. And
21:48
it's a very common thing. It's partly with John went down the journey he
21:52
did with mental health. As you get there and you're like, wow,
21:53
not only do I still feel like crap, but I have a lot more
21:56
to lose now. And now you got all this anxiety and I know it's
21:59
on. It's such a ridiculous thing to complain about, but it's extraordinarily common,
22:03
and it's what a lot I think it drives a lot of people to
22:06
be crazier, or drugs or drinking just to have some other stimulations. You
22:10
realized that, like, it's all the things that men have been there all
22:11
along, you know. But it's okay, it's all right to ignore those
22:15
things because it's what we do. It's the type of people we are.
22:18
But at some point you will have a day of reckoning where you realize,
22:22
okay, I need to realign my priorities and realize that all the things that
22:26
truly matter to my heart have been within arms reach all these years. So
22:30
as we land the plane, the segue was Award nominations. I'm a fan
22:36
of you guys as humans. First, I've been lucky enough to interact with
22:38
you all the time, thinks, and I'm just as big a fan of
22:41
the music that you guys created, shows you put on. So if I
22:45
have an opportunity, I'm typing the name and I'm checking the box for same
22:51
you get another nomination. What did that mean to Brothers Osbourne ten years ago
22:56
versus what it means today? Yeah, I mean it's interesting to put that
23:00
in perspective because there's so many things, you know, because and here's the
23:03
other thing to maybe springboard off what you're talking about is that it has been
23:06
kind of like a slow rise for us through our entire careers, and there'd
23:08
be people who are like, man, you guys are killing it. I'm
23:11
like, we are, you know, like what you know? Are like
23:15
it's killing me. I know that was, you know, and so you
23:18
know, I do feel like it has been that. But when I look
23:19
back, you know, that's why it was cool. So I was talking
23:22
earlier about just like when you're like, you go to these rooms and you're
23:25
like, holy cow, we were in this room as the opener. Now
23:27
we're in this room as the headliner, and you look back over five ten
23:30
years and just think of where you came from from our first nomination to the
23:34
first time we won, and just how shocking all of those moments were.
23:37
And I just try to bottle that up as much as I can and not
23:41
forget it. I will never have that same excitement again because it's just to
23:44
be impossible to get there. But I always try to just remember and have
23:48
the same gratefulness that I had to be in the conversation. And I think
23:52
that's that's you know, certainly where I'm at with it right now. I
23:55
mean, if you win back to back years, like do you go home
23:57
and go, well, twenty nineteen puts you wait, here's twenty twenty.
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They all get a place. Hell yeah, they all get a place.
24:04
I have a studio. I have a place where they go in the house.
24:07
But I do have a studio that I bought down the street from my
24:11
house, and I've been letting friends and stuff you use it, And I
24:12
do have a couple of there's you know, just letting you all know I've
24:15
done some cool stuff, you know, not all of them, just a
24:18
couple, you know, I still want to be kind of humble about it.
24:23
Well, I know you all are busy, so the fact that you
24:26
had any time today to come hang out of me is a lot. Make
24:30
sure I'm making time for you