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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I
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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,
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Speaker 1: and there's Chuck and Jerry's here to the whole gang.
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Speaker 1: And this makes this an official episode of the Stuff
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Speaker 1: You Should Know. Please disregard some previous ones where it
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Speaker 1: was just me and Chuck. Just disregard him. I don't
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Speaker 1: even listen to them, And if you have listened to them,
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Speaker 1: actively forget what you learned. Have you ever seen before well,
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Speaker 1: let'sen not reveal what's happened. Did you ever see the
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Speaker 1: Georgia guidestones. I was a bit of a schlub and
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Speaker 1: assume that I would just be able to some other time. Okay,
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Speaker 1: did you No? I never had any interest. I wasn't
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Speaker 1: like passionately interested, but I thought i'd be kind of cool.
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Speaker 1: And then I looked on a map. I was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's where they are. I don't really feel like going
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Speaker 1: over there, so I'm just going to put it off
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Speaker 1: and put it off. I always thought it was kind
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Speaker 1: of silly, and I still do even more so probably,
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Speaker 1: but sure it's fun to talk about. No, for sure,
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Speaker 1: like this is um I think if you don't take
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Speaker 1: it as partially silly. You are being a little too serious.
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Speaker 1: But that's also not to say like they were intended
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Speaker 1: and as any sort of joke or with any sort
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Speaker 1: of silliness. I think the earnestness with which they were
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Speaker 1: put up, along with the earnestness which with which some
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Speaker 1: people took them, that's what really kind of makes it silly.
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Speaker 1: From like an outside observer's point of view, I think, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I agree. And what we're talking about are what's known
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Speaker 1: as the Georgia Guide Stones a k a. America's Stonehenge.
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Speaker 1: Are are ancient, going all the way back to the
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighties. That's why I always thought it was kind
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Speaker 1: of silly anytime they say like something sort of hyperbolic
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Speaker 1: like that, like this is our stone hinge erected in
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Speaker 1: right circa forty two years before present? What is that? Ghostbusters?
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Speaker 1: There's six years before Ghostbusters? Oh we are we doing
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Speaker 1: that again? No? Maybe just this one time, you know, okay? Um.
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Speaker 1: I get why they call them America's Stonehenge though, because
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Speaker 1: they look a bit like Stonehenge, these giant granite slabs
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Speaker 1: uh set on end with cap stones and such. But
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Speaker 1: I think maybe we should go back now. That we've
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Speaker 1: at least told people what the heck these things are.
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Speaker 1: They're inscribed with words. Uh. And that's all we'll give
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Speaker 1: you for now, and then let's go back and talk
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Speaker 1: about the history, because the story of it is is
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Speaker 1: kind of interesting, I think, definitely interesting. I mean there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of mystery that was um purposefully I think,
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Speaker 1: kind of generated around the whole thing, and that mystery
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Speaker 1: starts at the very beginning when a guy named R. C.
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Speaker 1: Christian showed up in Alberton, Georgia. I believe it's the
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Speaker 1: county seat of albert County, which is in the I
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Speaker 1: think extreme east of Georgia, close to the South Carolina border. Correct. Uh,
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Speaker 1: it's it's about thirty five miles sort of east and
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Speaker 1: north of Athens, Georgia, which is, if you don't know
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Speaker 1: where Athens is out there, it's about a hundred miles
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Speaker 1: Athens isn't But Elberton itself is about a hundred miles
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Speaker 1: north and east of Atlanta, so it's headed towards South Carolina,
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Speaker 1: but it's not like on the border. Okay, And for
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Speaker 1: those who aren't familiar with Atlanta, chuck, how far is
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Speaker 1: Atlanta from? Uh? From Montgomery, Alabama. Oh boy, let me
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Speaker 1: get up my map. So it's in the east of Georgia.
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Speaker 1: It's in as One, I think the publisher of the
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Speaker 1: local paper put it. It's as rural as rural can be.
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Speaker 1: And um, there's like at the time that all this
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Speaker 1: happened nineteen seventy nine, when Narci Christians showed up, there
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Speaker 1: were not even six thousand people in the whole town,
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Speaker 1: nineteen thousand people in the entire county. And it seems
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Speaker 1: like the kind of place where there are probably more
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Speaker 1: cows than people at the time. Yeah, I mean, Athens
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Speaker 1: is a great city and a great call down and
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Speaker 1: there's some the classic city uh and there are some
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Speaker 1: great little uh towns outside of Athens, but you know
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Speaker 1: they're small towns in the further creep outside of Athens
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Speaker 1: against superbural. Have you ever been to Madison, Georgia? Sure,
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Speaker 1: Madison is great. It's gorgeous. Man, it is just this
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Speaker 1: hidden littles And yeah, okay, So back to Alberton, right
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Speaker 1: and R. C. Christian in particular summer of nineteen seventy nine,
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Speaker 1: and he shows up in Alberton and probably stuck out
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Speaker 1: like a sore thumb he wore a very expensive suit.
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Speaker 1: He had a certain air of refinement around him. He
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Speaker 1: seemed to be a little erudite. And he showed up.
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Speaker 1: He presented himself at the offices of Alberton Granite Finishing Company.
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Speaker 1: And we should tell you a little bit about Albert
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Speaker 1: County and Alberton in particular. They consider themselves the granite
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Speaker 1: capital of the world, and they make a pretty good case.
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Speaker 1: They are apparently sitting on some of the finest granite
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Speaker 1: in the world in in like right, in like fifty
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Speaker 1: different quarries in the air. You so, if you wanted
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Speaker 1: to get something done in granted, say like America's Stonehenge,
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Speaker 1: this is where you would logically show up. And R. C.
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Speaker 1: Christian did show up, and he talked to the president
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Speaker 1: of Alberton Grant Efficient Finishing Company, Joe Finley, who welcomed
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Speaker 1: him with open arms and got on board immediately. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think Joe Finley, as he probably should
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Speaker 1: have been, was a little um well, he was two things.
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Speaker 1: A like you said, he was impressed with this sort
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Speaker 1: of finely dressed, intelligent gentleman, but he was also once
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Speaker 1: he started to hear what this gentleman wanted a little
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Speaker 1: wary of him and thought, all right, this guy is
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Speaker 1: a little weird to me here in Elberton, and maybe
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Speaker 1: some kind of crackpot because Mr Christian, who we would
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Speaker 1: find out that's a pseudonym, uh, said, I represent a
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Speaker 1: small group of loyal Americans and I would like on
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Speaker 1: their behalf to be the liaison to commission a massive
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Speaker 1: structure built out of these huge granite stones that will
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Speaker 1: be here for millions of years. Irony upcoming just put
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Speaker 1: it been in that and it was for the purpose
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Speaker 1: of guiding humanity after the apocalypse. And Finley was like,
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Speaker 1: m you said a little strange to me in his head,
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Speaker 1: but here's what I'll do. I'll do it for this price.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, he named a very
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Speaker 1: expensive price, apparently a few times higher than anything he'd
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Speaker 1: ever worked on. And I think it was probably in
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Speaker 1: part because it was one of the bigger jobs he'd
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Speaker 1: ever worked on, and and there may have been a
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Speaker 1: little city boy, country boy thing where he was like, oh, well,
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Speaker 1: I can take this guy for some money. Yeah. Apparently
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Speaker 1: it was far and away the biggest project that the
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Speaker 1: Alberton had ever seen. The next biggest project was the
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Speaker 1: town's bicentennial memorial fountain that they put in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the town, which is nothing to sneeze at, but
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Speaker 1: compared to these Georgia stone projects, it's yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: little aputian um. Compared to the Georgia guidestones, it's it
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Speaker 1: is you could sneeze all over it. So it was
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Speaker 1: a big project. So it was smart that he was like,
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Speaker 1: I need a lot of money for this um, because
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Speaker 1: he ended up needing a lot of money for it.
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Speaker 1: But I get the impression that he made out pretty
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Speaker 1: well too. Yeah, so uh, Finley of the rock Query said,
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Speaker 1: go see my buddy, Whyatt Martin, he's the president of
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Speaker 1: the local bank here, the Granite City Bank, and go
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Speaker 1: talk to him about how we can finance this thing.
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Speaker 1: And Finley called ahead apparently and told Martin, like, this
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Speaker 1: guy coming over as a little cookie, but you ought
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Speaker 1: to see the suit just way, which is way to
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Speaker 1: you smell. The guy so fine and he's so intelligent.
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Speaker 1: And Martin apparently was also impressed with the guy as well.
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Speaker 1: And this is the point in the story where um,
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Speaker 1: we learned that Wyatt Martin, of the president of this bank,
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Speaker 1: is basically the only person who ever learned the truth
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Speaker 1: about who R. C. Christian really was, because you can't
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Speaker 1: do banking and do this sort of high profile transactions, uh,
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Speaker 1: with pseudonyms. So he tells him his real name, but said,
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Speaker 1: here's the deal, man, I gotta we gotta keep this quiet.
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Speaker 1: I can never be known. Who I'm doing this on
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Speaker 1: behalf of can never be known. And you gotta promise
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Speaker 1: me you're never gonna tell anyone. And once we get
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Speaker 1: all this stuff done and it's settled, you gotta you
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Speaker 1: gotta burn all these documents so it can remain a secret. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And I mean he chose the right guy to confide
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Speaker 1: and because Wyatt Martin later said in an interview I
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Speaker 1: think in two thousand thirteen that even if you put
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Speaker 1: a gun to his head, he wouldn't tell you the
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Speaker 1: actual I love that part, right, the ideality. Sure, I'm
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Speaker 1: on board. Yeah, he really, he really went full board.
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Speaker 1: From everything that I've ever read, he didn't even tell
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Speaker 1: his wife, like he just took the secret to his grave.
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Speaker 1: He died I think in um and uh he never
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Speaker 1: told a single person. And so after that um RC
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Speaker 1: Christian went back to the Alberton Granite finishing company gave
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Speaker 1: Joe Finley a U shoebox with like a little wooden
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Speaker 1: model of what they were looking for, with some Fisher
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Speaker 1: Price people in there for scale, and then there was
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Speaker 1: like ten pages of instructions that were that were accompanied
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Speaker 1: at and he said to Finley, Uh, you'll never see
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Speaker 1: me again. But he did keep in touch with Martin
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Speaker 1: because Martin agreed to be his and then in turn
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Speaker 1: that group of sponsors representative overseeing the project as as
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Speaker 1: as well as the money man and so um. They
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Speaker 1: ended up becoming pen pals over the years. They kept
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Speaker 1: in touch, um, and they would go to dinner every
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Speaker 1: once in a while UM in Athens. Uh. And yeah
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Speaker 1: they were. They got to be pretty close actually, but um,
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Speaker 1: at the time it was just Martin who was running
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Speaker 1: the show, and just Finley, who was the only other
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Speaker 1: person who had knowingly met this RC Christian guy. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, I waited tables in Athens during the years
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Speaker 1: of I guess that was probably And I always wondered,
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Speaker 1: like that I served this guy one night. Could I
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Speaker 1: have met this mysterious stranger. I do remember a man
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Speaker 1: that smelled really nice in a soup one time, MEXICALI
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Speaker 1: girl did you. Yeah, did you ever serve a stone
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Speaker 1: silver fox in like a nice suit once with another
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Speaker 1: guy who seemed to be a bank president. I did,
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Speaker 1: and he he signed his name anonymous so on this check.
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Speaker 1: So it was very very weird. Like that seems suspicious,
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Speaker 1: but it's college, so I don't care. But here's what happened.
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Speaker 1: This is a very big job for this company. Like
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Speaker 1: we mentioned, um, these stones were not small like you said.
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Speaker 1: They ended up having to jackhammer fourteen feet into the
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Speaker 1: pyramid quarry quarry, which is it quarry Corey? All right?
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Speaker 1: I always say like k w O R r y quarry, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because query sounds like a query that you said someone.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like the way arc Christian probably said it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah query. I don't know why I said it southern,
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Speaker 1: because we really have no idea where he was from.
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Speaker 1: He could have been from Boss and for all I know,
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Speaker 1: we have potentially an idea. Well that's true, would have
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Speaker 1: been in that too. Uh. So they had to jackhammer
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Speaker 1: down fourteen ft Uh. They had to use a hundred
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Speaker 1: foot tall crane uh to put these stones where they
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Speaker 1: needed to go. And they needed a location, and it
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Speaker 1: turns out there was a local I don't know if
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Speaker 1: he was a real farmer, but he had cattle at
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Speaker 1: least in a lot of land. And it was a
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Speaker 1: point at the highest elevation in the county. Um. It's
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Speaker 1: not you know, some big mountain or anything, because it's
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Speaker 1: pretty flat land over there, but it is the highest
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Speaker 1: elevation and very importantly had really clear views um all
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Speaker 1: around it. Because that'll come into play with sort of
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Speaker 1: the purpose of what these things. What they ended up
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Speaker 1: needing them for. Uh. And so we got five acres
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Speaker 1: for five grand and said here, you and your family
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Speaker 1: forever more can still graze your cattle here. I just
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Speaker 1: want to put these guide stones up. Yeah. Um. And
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Speaker 1: I think the guy, the guy he bought it from,
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Speaker 1: his name was mullen Ax and he wasn't just a
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Speaker 1: straight up farmer. He was a contract or and part
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Speaker 1: of the deal was his company got to um build
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Speaker 1: the base that the whole thing was put on. Just
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Speaker 1: to swen Yeah, there's like a molinex Ford. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: there's no way they're not related. Somehow, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what to school some mullonexis. You never know. Well look
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Speaker 1: him up, chuck on Facebook, friend them and get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of this mystery. I'm not on Facebook. I'll
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Speaker 1: have to send a letter via carrier pigeon like I
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Speaker 1: used to. There there's one other thing I just want
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Speaker 1: to point out real quick, like this, we said that
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Speaker 1: this project was the biggest that this this county had
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Speaker 1: ever undertaken, and it served as like a point of
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Speaker 1: civic pride from like that point on, Like, no matter
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Speaker 1: how anybody in town felt about the guidestones themselves, they
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Speaker 1: were probably prideful about the amazing job that this this county.
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Speaker 1: The workers in this county came together to produce when
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Speaker 1: they were called upon to do so. That was definitely
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Speaker 1: part of it because it was a huge, massive undertaking.
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Speaker 1: And it also not only does do you have like
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Speaker 1: hats off to the people of Albert County for having
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Speaker 1: done this, think about people who used to quarry stuff,
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Speaker 1: like the people who made Stonehenge without like hundred foot
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Speaker 1: cranes and jackhammers to go fourteen feet into the ground
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Speaker 1: like that. It's just mind boggling when you think of
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Speaker 1: it like that too. Absolutely uh. And as far as
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Speaker 1: Albert County goes, they got a a genuine tourist attraction
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Speaker 1: which they didn't have before and so this was sort
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Speaker 1: of one of the reasons apparently that Christian picked this
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Speaker 1: spot because he kind of figured and was right that
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Speaker 1: they would be prideful and kind of take care of it. Um.
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Speaker 1: Apparently he had some ancestors that were from the region
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Speaker 1: to um. But he also said, you know, our wishes
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Speaker 1: that maybe one day the people of Albert County will
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Speaker 1: come together or maybe just conservationist in general and uh
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Speaker 1: and do some more big stone rings around this thing. Uh.
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Speaker 1: That never happened. He never got that wish, But like
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Speaker 1: you said, they did take care of very good care
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Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, and like he helped he helped established
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Speaker 1: that by by transferring the rights to that land over
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Speaker 1: to the people of Albert County, so that that was
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Speaker 1: like they would have even more pride in it because
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Speaker 1: they owned it. It was public land. From that point on,
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Speaker 1: should we take a break, Um, Yeah, let's take a break,
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Speaker 1: and well then we'll talk about the monument, right, yeah,
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Speaker 1: and it's about it's about to get a little sinister
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Speaker 1: right after this stop. Maybe I overstated it doesn't quite
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Speaker 1: get sinister. Uh, But from the beginning of this project,
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Speaker 1: the local townsfolk, while prideful, there were some that were
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Speaker 1: a little worried about it, and this said, you know,
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Speaker 1: when you're out in the country and Georgia like that,
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Speaker 1: it's nineteen seventy, Like, what do you mean you're gonna
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Speaker 1: build this big monument? This sounds to me like, you know,
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Speaker 1: the occult or the work of the devil or something.
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Speaker 1: And there was a sandblaster that worked on the job
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Speaker 1: named Charlie Clamp who will come up a little bit later,
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Speaker 1: but he, for one, said that when he was working
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Speaker 1: on carving these characters in the stone, that he heard
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Speaker 1: strange music and disjointed voices. Uh. And you know, once
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Speaker 1: these things were up, apparently some some Wiccans and some
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Speaker 1: Pagans did come out and do like some dancing and
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Speaker 1: chanting every now and then, which I'm sure was very harmless,
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Speaker 1: but would spook the locals. Oh yeah, I mean good lord. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like I think it happened almost immediately, like this thing
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Speaker 1: went up in March of eighty. I think like the
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Speaker 1: Atlanta pagan community had adopted by there's like public land,
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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Exactly? So another thing that
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Speaker 1: makes this whole feat um so amazing is that you
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Speaker 1: know R. C. Christians showed up with the idea in
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Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen seventy nine, and they dedicated the
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Speaker 1: thing on March twenty second night, two days after the
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Speaker 1: Spring equinox. No, that is fast turnaround, because not only
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Speaker 1: did they have to were it, they had to do
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Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff to it. These are not
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Speaker 1: schlubby slabs. Slubby they are, they were. They were pretty neat.
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Speaker 1: They required a lot of extra work. Rather than just
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Speaker 1: quarrying and cutting and polishing. There was more too, it
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Speaker 1: wasn't there. Yeah. Absolutely, Uh, they had a big grand opening.
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Speaker 1: There were you know, quite a few people, like three,
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Speaker 1: three or four hundred folks apparently showed up for the christening.
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Speaker 1: And uh, like you said, it was, it was a
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Speaker 1: big deal. They were um, not only large, Uh, they
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Speaker 1: were you know, very I believe, like nineteen feet tall each.
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Speaker 1: Is that how tall they stood? Yeah, which is I mean,
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Speaker 1: that's taller than Stonehenge. So take that England Stonehenge, take
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Speaker 1: that ancient people's uh so nineteen tall. They weighed about
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Speaker 1: close to a hundred and twenty tons and like we
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, four thousands sand blasted letters and characters about
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Speaker 1: four inches high. Piece that we'll get to what these
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Speaker 1: all said. But they're also some cool strological features, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So um, Fendley went to the University of Georgia and said,
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Speaker 1: I need an astronomer because I'm being asked to do
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Speaker 1: some stuff that I do not know how to do.
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Speaker 1: UM and the guide stones were considered a clock, calendar,
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Speaker 1: and compass, all kind of ingeniously built into one because
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Speaker 1: you've got those four slabs that were arranged in an X.
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Speaker 1: Like you said, there's a center stone known as the
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Speaker 1: nomen stone, and then on top of it all is
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Speaker 1: a capstone, a square capstone that covered the nomen and
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Speaker 1: parts of all four of the other slabs that radiated
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Speaker 1: out from the nomen And so they had UM you
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Speaker 1: could tell what day of the year it was, and
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Speaker 1: that it was noon. Um you could see the um
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Speaker 1: summer solstice, and I believe the winter solstice as well.
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Speaker 1: Like the x is were the like the X or
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Speaker 1: the edges of the X word position so that it
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Speaker 1: followed the sun or the moon's migration annual migration across
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Speaker 1: the sky. There was a lot going on that like
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Speaker 1: the average person, including Fendley, could not just just you know,
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Speaker 1: guess at it needed to be really precise. Yeah. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: they're cutting these holes basically, uh, and these little slots
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Speaker 1: all around this thing to where you can peek through
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Speaker 1: and see those uh sun rises and things during the solstice, uh,
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Speaker 1: winter and summer. You can look through one hole and
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Speaker 1: look at the North Star. So, like you said, it's
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Speaker 1: super exact. Um. There was a plaque on site that
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Speaker 1: listed R. C. Christian as the author of these words,
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Speaker 1: and it said a small group of Americans who seek
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Speaker 1: the age of reason. Uh, And then basically says, there's
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Speaker 1: like a time capsule here, here's where the time capsule is.
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Speaker 1: And they left this central message that said, let these
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Speaker 1: be guidestones to an age of reason. And that was
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Speaker 1: in Egyptian hierocliphics, Babylonian Cuneiform, Classical Greek, and Sanskrit. And
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Speaker 1: then it lists did and we're gonna read these out,
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Speaker 1: but it listed ten guides and eight different languages Arabic, Chinese, Hebrew, English, Russian, Hindi, Spanish,
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Speaker 1: and Swahili. Yeah. And so each side of those four
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Speaker 1: slabs that radiated from the Noman the center stone had
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Speaker 1: a language, so that all all four had two languages
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Speaker 1: on each side, right, and in English these were what
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Speaker 1: these these rules or guidelines or guides, however you want
19:28
Speaker 1: to call them, that were inscribed on the stone. What
19:31
Speaker 1: they said? The first one, chuck, was maintained humanity under
19:35
Speaker 1: five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. You here's
19:41
Speaker 1: another one. If you don't like that one, you're not
19:43
Speaker 1: gonna like this one either, Guide reproduction wisely improving fitness
19:47
Speaker 1: and diversity. Yeah problematic? Okay, Well how about this one.
19:52
Speaker 1: You're gonna love this. Unite humanity with a living new language. Uh,
19:58
Speaker 1: it could be problematic unless we're sucking. Uh. What is
20:01
Speaker 1: that one language we did on the years ago? Esperano? Esperanto?
20:07
Speaker 1: Did we do one on? I think we did a
20:08
Speaker 1: video on it. I don't think we ever did this,
20:10
Speaker 1: did we do? Yeah? It gets confusing once you get
20:12
Speaker 1: back to two thousand eleven twelve, that kind of thing.
20:16
Speaker 1: We were all confused. Shall I go on? Or you
20:17
Speaker 1: want to take over? Go ahead? This is fun? Okay Um.
20:21
Speaker 1: The next one says rule, passion, faith, tradition, and all
20:25
Speaker 1: things with tempered reason. Down with that protect down meaning
20:31
Speaker 1: like you're down with it or down the opposite. I'm
20:33
Speaker 1: down with it. No, that sounds great. Up with that.
20:35
Speaker 1: I'm down with that. Protect people in nations with fair
20:39
Speaker 1: laws and just courts. Sure, who wouldn't let all nations
20:44
Speaker 1: rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. M
20:49
Speaker 1: that sounds a little creepy potentially. The next one is
20:52
Speaker 1: something the libertarian and all of us can appreciate, avoid
20:56
Speaker 1: petty laws and useless officials. I love that one. I
21:01
Speaker 1: wonder what that sounds like in HINDI. Uh, drain the swamp. Right.
21:08
Speaker 1: There's also balanced personal rights with social duties. It's a
21:12
Speaker 1: great one too, if you balance it correctly. Uh. The
21:16
Speaker 1: next one is prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with
21:20
Speaker 1: the infinite. Pretty new ag. Yeah, I like it though.
21:23
Speaker 1: And then be not a cancer on Earth, Leave room
21:26
Speaker 1: for nature, Leave room for nature. And then the last
21:30
Speaker 1: one Sabbath rules for the z. I thought you're gonna say,
21:38
Speaker 1: Megadeth rules Metallica drules Metallica does not drouble. Well, I
21:45
Speaker 1: thought Megadeth fans didn't like Metallica. I think that old beef. Sure,
21:48
Speaker 1: but it's totally unnecessary because both are great, Okay, especially
21:54
Speaker 1: eighties both were great? How about that? Oh? Sure, yeah,
21:56
Speaker 1: we're yeah, absolutely so what I'm talking about give me
21:59
Speaker 1: some credit. Um. So from the beginning, the people that
22:05
Speaker 1: heard about this and uh sort of took it as
22:08
Speaker 1: maybe what to do after the apocalypse. But apparently Christian
22:14
Speaker 1: had written a little pamphlet like guide book kind of
22:17
Speaker 1: thing that talked about, um, not necessarily after the apocalypse,
22:22
Speaker 1: but here's how we might can avoid catastrophe more along
22:25
Speaker 1: those lines. Yeah, I found a quote from one of
22:28
Speaker 1: the from that book that he wrote that said, we
22:30
Speaker 1: are like a fleet of overcrowded lifeboats confronted with an
22:33
Speaker 1: approaching tempest. And then he says there are alternatives to armageddon.
22:38
Speaker 1: And I couldn't find out what those alternatives were. Um,
22:41
Speaker 1: but if he didn't provide alternatives, then that's just letting
22:44
Speaker 1: everybody's imagination run wild. The other thing that a lot
22:48
Speaker 1: of people point out to is that this was These
22:50
Speaker 1: were inscribed in nineteen smack dab in the middle of
22:55
Speaker 1: the Cold War, which at that time had no ending
22:58
Speaker 1: in sight. Um, and a lot of people were very
23:01
Speaker 1: worried about a nuclear winner. So if he did mean
23:03
Speaker 1: it like um, you know that that it was meant
23:07
Speaker 1: to rebuild humanity after a nuclear war, you can understand
23:11
Speaker 1: how he would have been coming from that way. The
23:13
Speaker 1: other way though, makes a lot of sense too, because
23:16
Speaker 1: at the time that whole idea that humanity was going
23:20
Speaker 1: to keep growing exponentially was really popular. Still. Do you
23:24
Speaker 1: remember Zero Population Growth episode where we talked a lot
23:27
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, that that was that big book in
23:31
Speaker 1: sixty eight, the population Bomb, which really scared a lot
23:35
Speaker 1: of people. Uh, And I don't think we mentioned too that. Um.
23:38
Speaker 1: Christian initially said that they had been he and his
23:41
Speaker 1: people had been working on this idea for twenty years,
23:44
Speaker 1: so it would have been all through the Cold War
23:46
Speaker 1: and all through this sort of population scare if he
23:49
Speaker 1: was telling the truth that they were coming up with
23:51
Speaker 1: these ideas. But even even though the population bomb came
23:55
Speaker 1: out in night, this this kind of thought was going
23:58
Speaker 1: around because remember our friend Norman Borlog, he saved the
24:01
Speaker 1: world in the nineteen forties, and people were predicting like
24:04
Speaker 1: exponential growth. I mean, Mauthis has been predicting exponential growth
24:08
Speaker 1: since the eighteenth century. So the population bomb really kind
24:11
Speaker 1: of presented it in stark contrast, um, and it turned
24:14
Speaker 1: out to not be correct at all. But at the time, again,
24:18
Speaker 1: people were worried about it. But if you were really
24:20
Speaker 1: into that kind of thing. You were probably at least
24:24
Speaker 1: a little xenophobic. Um, you're possibly outright racist, and your
24:29
Speaker 1: concerns were not about how how fast America's population was growing.
24:33
Speaker 1: You're probably concerned about how fast Bangladesh's population was growing,
24:37
Speaker 1: or how fast some sub Saharan African nations populations were growing.
24:42
Speaker 1: And ultimately you might not have said it what that
24:44
Speaker 1: meant for the white race and the white races access
24:47
Speaker 1: to all the resources we need to keep being happy. Yeah,
24:50
Speaker 1: and you'll see this pop up a little bit throughout
24:53
Speaker 1: this that some of these notions were possibly guided by um,
24:57
Speaker 1: white supremacy or xenophobia, you know it. It It sort of
25:01
Speaker 1: danced around those fringes. Um. Not the least of which
25:04
Speaker 1: was that first, you know, limit the world population to
25:08
Speaker 1: five hundred million. Uh that were close to four and
25:10
Speaker 1: a half billion people on the planet in nineteen eighties.
25:14
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty drastic reduction. That's an eight percent reduction. Um.
25:19
Speaker 1: So that's a that's a pretty foreboding thing to list
25:21
Speaker 1: as your first guideline, I think, right exactly, it's but yeah,
25:24
Speaker 1: especially if you don't mean it as like a post
25:27
Speaker 1: apocalyptic guide, but something we need to do in the future.
25:30
Speaker 1: That is just downright scary because first of all, that
25:34
Speaker 1: means a lot of people are going to die, but
25:35
Speaker 1: also who exactly is calling the shots about who lives
25:38
Speaker 1: and who dies and who are these people to to
25:41
Speaker 1: say or do something like that. So it takes a
25:43
Speaker 1: pretty pretty large amount of just entitlement in general to
25:48
Speaker 1: choose that and then inscribe it as your first guide
25:50
Speaker 1: on some rocks that you leave standing ostensibly for hundreds
25:54
Speaker 1: of years. Yeah, and so you couple that with guide
25:58
Speaker 1: reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. That's improving fitness is
26:03
Speaker 1: sort of the key line that sort of reeks of
26:05
Speaker 1: eugenics obviously, uh. And then also you're not humanity with
26:10
Speaker 1: the new living language and the idea of a world court.
26:13
Speaker 1: All these things are sort of ideas that have been
26:17
Speaker 1: bandied about and on the fringes of uh, the Internet
26:20
Speaker 1: and conspiracy minded sites about the new world order and
26:25
Speaker 1: things like that. And we're not going to dive too
26:27
Speaker 1: deep into that world, but suffice to say that these
26:29
Speaker 1: are the kind of alarm bells that are going off
26:31
Speaker 1: when certain people read the Georgia guide Stones. Yeah, because
26:34
Speaker 1: I'm not I couldn't find out who originally interpreted as such.
26:38
Speaker 1: But the Book of Revelations apparently has been interpreted to
26:41
Speaker 1: talk about a world government and be wary of a
26:44
Speaker 1: world government because that's the Antichrist who's going to be
26:47
Speaker 1: leading it, and they will lead you know, the world
26:51
Speaker 1: into darkness and the final fight with God and all
26:54
Speaker 1: that stuff. So, um, if you read the quotes, you're like,
26:56
Speaker 1: I don't quite know how you got here. But there's
26:59
Speaker 1: a lot of people who's subscribe to that. So when
27:01
Speaker 1: they were talking about you know, world courts, that really
27:04
Speaker 1: kind of raised the antenna of some fundamentalists and fringe Christians. Yeah,
27:09
Speaker 1: it's good way to say it, um, But we we
27:13
Speaker 1: can talk about some of the theories as to um,
27:16
Speaker 1: maybe who this group might have been, because again Christian
27:20
Speaker 1: said that he represented a group of people and it
27:23
Speaker 1: wasn't just like his you know, this idea of some
27:26
Speaker 1: you know, rich billionaire, although you never know it could
27:28
Speaker 1: have been the case because we don't know the truth.
27:31
Speaker 1: But the Rosa Crucians, and I believe we talked about
27:34
Speaker 1: them and one of our episodes at some point really
27:38
Speaker 1: rings a bell. But they were, uh, this society a
27:43
Speaker 1: secret society. Those are always fun. That started in the
27:47
Speaker 1: fifteenth century Germany, and the person who started it may
27:53
Speaker 1: or may not have even existed. It's a gentleman named
27:57
Speaker 1: Christian rosen Crates Um may be a fictional human maybe not,
28:02
Speaker 1: but was the founder of the Rosicrucians or the rose
28:04
Speaker 1: Cross Society. Yeah so, um, the founder rosenkreuz Um supposedly
28:12
Speaker 1: got together some Turkish Sufi Persian mystical knowledge, put it
28:16
Speaker 1: all in like a nice three ring binder turned to
28:19
Speaker 1: some doctor friends and said, let's form a society based
28:22
Speaker 1: on this mystical knowledge and do all sorts of neat
28:25
Speaker 1: like incantations and stuff like that. And I don't know,
28:28
Speaker 1: let's just take over the world while we're at it too.
28:30
Speaker 1: And I don't even get the impression that we're a
28:35
Speaker 1: certain that any of this ever existed, that it was
28:38
Speaker 1: written about years later, maybe centuries later. Um, but that
28:42
Speaker 1: it was possibly one of those things where it was
28:44
Speaker 1: like a self fulfilling prophecy, like new groups actually did
28:47
Speaker 1: establish themselves after the fiction came out. I'm not sure,
28:51
Speaker 1: but um, it definitely did. Whatever those books were that
28:55
Speaker 1: introduced Rosicrucianism to Europe, um. They definitely did influence the
29:00
Speaker 1: Enlightenment and Enlightenment thinkers, including Thomas Payne and um. Thomas
29:06
Speaker 1: Paine is kind of one of the overlooked founding fathers uh,
29:10
Speaker 1: and he really was a founding father. He was, um,
29:13
Speaker 1: he was, he founded the or, he came up with
29:14
Speaker 1: the idea for the Declaration of Independence. He really kind
29:19
Speaker 1: of um lobbied for a constitution in America. But he
29:23
Speaker 1: also wrote Age of Reason being an investigation of the
29:28
Speaker 1: True and Fabulous theology. He was a deist and he
29:31
Speaker 1: thought you could use rationalization or rationalism to investigate religion
29:36
Speaker 1: and that a lot of it was just superstition. So
29:38
Speaker 1: if you're like a hardcore Christian, you don't really think
29:40
Speaker 1: very highly of Thomas Paine. But the Age of Reason thing,
29:44
Speaker 1: remember on the cap stone that said let this be
29:47
Speaker 1: a way into the Age of Reason on the guidestones.
29:51
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of people connect the Rosicrucians to
29:54
Speaker 1: the Georgia guidestones, right, because Thomas Paine was apparently connected
29:58
Speaker 1: to them. Right. Yes, Okay, so the rose it's hard
30:02
Speaker 1: to say that word for me, The Rosa Crucians, I
30:05
Speaker 1: keep wanting to say the Rosa Christians for some reason. Uh,
30:08
Speaker 1: Like you said, they popped up before the Enlightenment and
30:11
Speaker 1: then kind of went away, and then later pop back
30:13
Speaker 1: up in the nineteenth century when there was a big
30:16
Speaker 1: revival in the Europe and the US of these sort
30:18
Speaker 1: of occult slash secret societies. A couple of them are
30:22
Speaker 1: still around today. Apparently the ancient mystical order Rose Crucis
30:27
Speaker 1: uh and the Rosicrucian Fellowship are still around. Um. But again,
30:31
Speaker 1: who knows if any of the original stuff was actually
30:34
Speaker 1: real or just the work of fiction. Either way, um,
30:38
Speaker 1: people you know, some people think it might have been
30:40
Speaker 1: the Rosicrucians behind these guidestones. And again, like the rose
30:44
Speaker 1: Crucians is, it's a secret mystical society, but it also
30:49
Speaker 1: is potentially engaged in trying to take over the world.
30:51
Speaker 1: So that's what we'd give it, a really ominous association,
30:55
Speaker 1: right yeah. And or it also has been theorized that
31:00
Speaker 1: it was just a red herring to make people think
31:03
Speaker 1: it it was the Rosa Crucians when it really wasn't
31:05
Speaker 1: at all, just to get people to sniff them off
31:07
Speaker 1: the case. And so the Rosa Crucians there are a
31:11
Speaker 1: widely held suspect um and then of course that um
31:15
Speaker 1: logically leads to the next subspect Ted Turner. This is
31:20
Speaker 1: very tenuous to me, I guess because Ted Turner was
31:24
Speaker 1: really rich um, maybe a little eccentric, but not really
31:29
Speaker 1: um in the grand scheme of things. But he did
31:32
Speaker 1: create what's known as the Turner Doomsday video, which was
31:36
Speaker 1: this video that he created and said basically, this is
31:40
Speaker 1: the last thing CNN should air if the world was ending.
31:44
Speaker 1: And you think, oh my god, what was the Turner
31:46
Speaker 1: doomsday video. It's just this one minute video of a
31:50
Speaker 1: military band playing the hymn Nearer My God to the
31:54
Speaker 1: with one of the loveliest ms out there, is one
31:56
Speaker 1: of my favorites. But that that's all it is. That's it,
31:59
Speaker 1: that's it. There's over the instructions for surviving the apocalypse,
32:02
Speaker 1: nothing like that. It's the lamest doomsday video of all time.
32:06
Speaker 1: It just has a network sign off, is what it is. Right.
32:09
Speaker 1: But he the reason they called the doomsday videos because
32:11
Speaker 1: when he brought CNN onto the air, he said that, um,
32:15
Speaker 1: it would keep it would stay on the air until
32:18
Speaker 1: you know, the end of the world. So that's where
32:20
Speaker 1: the doomsday thing came from. And then the other thing that,
32:23
Speaker 1: like you said, Ted Turners maybe was a little out
32:25
Speaker 1: there or whatever, at least for his time, like he
32:28
Speaker 1: did oversee Captain Planet, that cartoon on TBS in the
32:31
Speaker 1: early nineties. Um, but he also gave a billion dollars
32:35
Speaker 1: which at the time was a third of his wealth
32:38
Speaker 1: to the u N to to establish the u N Foundation,
32:42
Speaker 1: which was involved in gender equality, which I think might
32:45
Speaker 1: have had some aspects of family planning to it. So
32:48
Speaker 1: maybe that's where the eugenics tieing comes from, or the
32:52
Speaker 1: population control. And then also has really engaged in environmentalism too.
32:56
Speaker 1: So um, that whole harmony with be not a cancer
33:00
Speaker 1: the earth thing just really implicates Ted Turner. Yeah, if
33:05
Speaker 1: you if you grew up in Atlanta in the seventies
33:07
Speaker 1: and eighties, Ted Turner was a big deal. Uh, it
33:12
Speaker 1: was a name you heard a lot. He owned the Braves,
33:14
Speaker 1: He owned the Falcons for or no, no, I think
33:17
Speaker 1: he owned the Braves and the Hawks. Yeah, um for
33:20
Speaker 1: a long time, and uh was our sort of most
33:23
Speaker 1: famous uh dude in town. And I remember seeing him
33:28
Speaker 1: at a Willie Nelson concert at Chastain Like it was
33:32
Speaker 1: a while ago, but it wasn't way back then. It
33:34
Speaker 1: was in the probably early two thousand's. Uh, and I
33:38
Speaker 1: got a real kick out of it. I was like,
33:39
Speaker 1: I've never seen him out in Atlanta before. I was like,
33:42
Speaker 1: holy cow, there's Ted Turner. I tipped my scotch to
33:46
Speaker 1: you know. He was with a couple of uh, younger women.
33:51
Speaker 1: He's with a couple of younger ladies. But I think
33:53
Speaker 1: they were, Um, I think they might have been family
33:55
Speaker 1: members or something, is what someone told me. I don't
33:57
Speaker 1: think he was like out Fox Stratton with a couple
34:00
Speaker 1: of gotcha young young girls. He was no stone silver
34:03
Speaker 1: Fox like RC. Christian. Oh sure he was. He kidn't
34:07
Speaker 1: make now. He was a handsome man. But the upshot
34:10
Speaker 1: of Ted Turner's involvement as one of the suspects is
34:13
Speaker 1: basically strictly because of his proximity to Alberton. That's it, Yeah,
34:19
Speaker 1: that is it. If Ted Turner was a billionaire in Kansas,
34:23
Speaker 1: his name would have nothing to do with this whatsoever.
34:26
Speaker 1: So that makes him a very lame suspect. I think
34:28
Speaker 1: we're gonna say suspect denied. We need a little sound
34:33
Speaker 1: effect there. Uh if Jerry listened to these episodes and
34:37
Speaker 1: we might actually get I know it's gonna be great
34:39
Speaker 1: that because we're gonna say all this and it's gonna
34:41
Speaker 1: pass by silently. Alright. So who else we could talk about,
34:47
Speaker 1: um some religious galbaty cook. Because from the beginning, there
34:51
Speaker 1: were Christians nearby that said, this is the work of
34:54
Speaker 1: the devil. Uh, and this is like satanic occultis stuff. Um.
35:00
Speaker 1: There was a Christian minister named Reagan R. Davis who
35:04
Speaker 1: visited in two thousand to the Guide Stones and said,
35:07
Speaker 1: these are the ten commandments of the Antichrist and this
35:11
Speaker 1: is a culling of the human population by the anti Christians,
35:17
Speaker 1: is basically what we're looking at. And then of course
35:20
Speaker 1: all kinds of right wing conspiracy crack pots get involved
35:24
Speaker 1: and start calling them, uh, you know, Satan based or
35:28
Speaker 1: Luciferian secret societies and the New World Orders coming and
35:33
Speaker 1: all of that fun stuff that exists on the fringe,
35:36
Speaker 1: right yeah. And so I mean there's some holes in
35:39
Speaker 1: those theories that this is a the new World Order
35:43
Speaker 1: headed by the elite who are actually following the anti
35:46
Speaker 1: Christ who was being powered by Lucifer himself. And where
35:53
Speaker 1: the holes, right, the holes are that this monument, which
35:58
Speaker 1: is it was impressive, right, is a neat feat, especially
36:02
Speaker 1: for the people of Alberton, but it objectively pales in
36:05
Speaker 1: comparison to even the ruins of Stonehenge. That this is
36:10
Speaker 1: the best that the Luciferian elite of the New World
36:13
Speaker 1: World Order, right, the richest of the rich, the most
36:16
Speaker 1: powerful of the powerful. This is this is the best
36:19
Speaker 1: they could do. And they put it in Alberton, Georgia.
36:22
Speaker 1: And there's just the one. And this is how they
36:25
Speaker 1: revealed their plans. Right. They wouldn't just go ahead and
36:28
Speaker 1: carry out like mass sterilization projects, or actually go ahead
36:31
Speaker 1: and create the one world currency in government. They would
36:33
Speaker 1: just erect this relatively small monument in the most rural
36:37
Speaker 1: of rural Georgia and just leave it at that. Yeah,
36:40
Speaker 1: and wait decades for the news to trickle out from
36:44
Speaker 1: the Alberton County Times to the Alberton six o'clock news
36:48
Speaker 1: and then the Atlanta six o'clock news and so on
36:51
Speaker 1: and so on until it takes over the world. Yes, so,
36:54
Speaker 1: and I saw it like put his like that, really
36:56
Speaker 1: it was the New World Order, like having a laugh
36:59
Speaker 1: by making just so blatant and just even more ridiculous,
37:03
Speaker 1: Like you know, I didn't when I when I was like,
37:05
Speaker 1: we should do one on the Georgia guidestones, it didn't
37:07
Speaker 1: even occur to me that it was going to take
37:09
Speaker 1: us down the path of conspiracy theorists. But it really
37:13
Speaker 1: did because they latched onto this, and so I was
37:16
Speaker 1: thinking about this, Chuck, I was like, why, why, you know,
37:18
Speaker 1: what is it about that? I mean, obviously it's mysterious,
37:22
Speaker 1: and you know, some of the stuff that's talking about
37:24
Speaker 1: is kind of weird and scary and possibly downright immoral, right,
37:28
Speaker 1: But I think more than anything, it's like people who
37:31
Speaker 1: are into conspiracy theories are unsettled by uncertainty, and so
37:37
Speaker 1: they need, like it's way scarier to have an indifferent
37:41
Speaker 1: world that that couldn't care less about you, that doesn't
37:44
Speaker 1: even know you exist, and that is so complex it
37:47
Speaker 1: can't possibly make sense to anybody that's way scarier than you. No,
37:52
Speaker 1: there's actually a cabal led by the Antichrist that it
37:56
Speaker 1: probably involves Nancy Pelosi that we can like focus all
38:00
Speaker 1: of our attention and energy on. It makes it less scary,
38:03
Speaker 1: It gives it a form. Whenever you give something form,
38:05
Speaker 1: it becomes less scary. And then also this is my
38:08
Speaker 1: own theory, it also puts the conspiracy theorist on some
38:12
Speaker 1: sort of equal footing, so it gives them importance because
38:15
Speaker 1: they are a sworn enemy of that antichrist led cabal,
38:19
Speaker 1: and so they're important as well. So I think for
38:22
Speaker 1: all of those reasons, it's that's that's why things like
38:25
Speaker 1: the Guide Stones attract conspiracy theorists, and I think that's
38:27
Speaker 1: why conspiracy theorists exists in general. They're afraid of the world.
38:31
Speaker 1: They're afraid of the world, so they make it what
38:34
Speaker 1: seems to the rest of us like a far scarier
38:36
Speaker 1: place because they can't accept that it's just not that
38:39
Speaker 1: way at all, that things just aren't that neat and
38:41
Speaker 1: tidy and black and white. They're basically all gray. Yeah,
38:45
Speaker 1: And they're also fed a steady diet of paranoia and
38:49
Speaker 1: doomsday uh news and paranoia news, and it in filtrates
38:54
Speaker 1: their brains. So you know, you can also go outside
38:56
Speaker 1: and the planet flower and drink in some sunshine, take
38:59
Speaker 1: a walk. Yeah, yeah, it did. It's very sad, like
39:03
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not mad at them, I feel bad
39:06
Speaker 1: for them. I'm mad at like the people who profit
39:09
Speaker 1: off of it, the ones who like stoke those claims.
39:11
Speaker 1: I consider them. They're like expansive thinkers with small minds.
39:15
Speaker 1: That's what like the leaders of conspiracy theorist kind of
39:18
Speaker 1: world remind me of, you know, no, But otherwise you're right,
39:21
Speaker 1: it's a very sad life. It is because you're just
39:24
Speaker 1: scared or mad all the time, all the time, my soapbox.
39:29
Speaker 1: All right, we'll mention Freemasons and take a break and
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Speaker 1: reveal some some clues here. But obviously the Freemasons are
39:36
Speaker 1: gonna pop up anytime you talk about the New World Order.
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Speaker 1: Alberton itself, um, of course as a small town in Georgia,
39:43
Speaker 1: so there are Freemasons there. Uh. Samuel Albert, who founded Elberton,
39:48
Speaker 1: built a Masonic lodge. A lot of people say that
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Speaker 1: family and Martin were both Masons, which is no big
39:53
Speaker 1: surprise in a small town. That's a very common thing
39:57
Speaker 1: for civic and business leaders to be Masons. So, but
40:01
Speaker 1: Freemason's are always targeted with a conspiracy minded stuff, so
40:07
Speaker 1: of course they were going to be mentioned as well.
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Speaker 1: You can listen to our episode on Mason's that we
40:11
Speaker 1: did years and years ago, many years. Um. So let's
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Speaker 1: take that break and we'll come back and perhaps reveal
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Speaker 1: the real identity of R. C. Christian right after this stop. Okay, Chuck,
40:37
Speaker 1: So we're back, and I think it's high time that
40:39
Speaker 1: we revealed the possible identity of R. C. Christian. And
40:43
Speaker 1: it is not nearly as um earth shaking as you'd think,
40:49
Speaker 1: because it's possible it as a crank from Iowa. Maybe. UM.
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Speaker 1: There's a documentary from about seven years ago called Dark
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Speaker 1: Clouds over Elberton, Colin the True Story of the Georgia Guidestones.
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Speaker 1: It's a Christian documentary filmmaker name named Christian Pinto that's
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Speaker 1: as Christian as very much. And this filmmaker basically said,
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Speaker 1: there's a gentleman named Herbert Henzi Kirsten Uh from Fort Dodge, Iowa.
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Speaker 1: He was a doctor born in nineteen twenty and he
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Speaker 1: was outed as and there's some pretty pretty good little
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Speaker 1: convincing clues here for sure that this might have been
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Speaker 1: the dude. So. UM. He was a Republican, check, he
41:38
Speaker 1: was into the environment, he was a conservationist. UM. He
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Speaker 1: supposedly in a letter to the South Florida Sun Sentinel,
41:48
Speaker 1: UM talked about like how David Duke was one of
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Speaker 1: the few politicians representing America UM and The thing is, though,
41:55
Speaker 1: is he's saying like David Duke is leading America. And remember,
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Speaker 1: David Duke was like the head of the ku Klux
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Speaker 1: Klan who kind of supposedly disavowed the clan and tried
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Speaker 1: to run for public office many times in the eighties.
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Speaker 1: He won at some point, right, did he please tell
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Speaker 1: me he did? And I thought he was unsuccessful every time.
42:13
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure what it was off the dumb, but
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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he won at one point. Well, that
42:18
Speaker 1: is pretty shameful. Whatever state elected David Duke, that's pretty
42:22
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. Okay, okay, so um, But he was supporting
42:26
Speaker 1: David Duke in this quote new era of internationalism, So
42:29
Speaker 1: it sounds like he wasn't down with internationalism, which would
42:32
Speaker 1: kind of go against the whole idea of creating world
42:35
Speaker 1: courts and the like. Uh. I had to look it up.
42:38
Speaker 1: David Duke. Yeah, he was in the Louisiana State House
42:41
Speaker 1: of Representatives for a little while. Um. Yeah, that's a
42:45
Speaker 1: good point. Um. But also in his obituary when Kirsten
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Speaker 1: died in two thousand five, it said that he was
42:52
Speaker 1: very involved in environmental and world population issues. Uh, and
42:56
Speaker 1: held ay quote broad vision of humanity. So I guess
43:00
Speaker 1: some stuff kind of checks out, some stuff kind of doesn't.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that links him though, to at
43:05
Speaker 1: least Um Martin. Whyatt Martin, Um, the banker from the
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Speaker 1: Granite State Bank who was the one person who knew
43:13
Speaker 1: who R. C. Christian was, was that there was definitely correspondence.
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Speaker 1: Uh that was I guess it was written down in
43:20
Speaker 1: a log or something, but that Herbert Kirsten and Whyat
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Speaker 1: Martin did correspond at some point. So that's I think
43:29
Speaker 1: what really kind of links them more than anything. Oh okay,
43:34
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. Um. Interesting, And I don't
43:37
Speaker 1: think we mentioned too when Christian arc Christian corresponded with Martin.
43:42
Speaker 1: They were letters sent from kind of all over the
43:45
Speaker 1: United States, I guess in a bid to keep the
43:48
Speaker 1: identity a secret. Yeah that's what I took it as too. Okay,
43:52
Speaker 1: I didn't know that Kirsten actually was in touch, So yeah,
43:55
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty pretty good clue there. But we should
43:58
Speaker 1: also say that that South Florida's on Sentinel Calumnists said
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Speaker 1: that his letter from is full of exclamation points and
44:05
Speaker 1: underlined words, which automatically says, don't take me seriously. Um,
44:12
Speaker 1: there's another theory that I think it's pretty lame. Basically
44:16
Speaker 1: is that the Alberton Granite Association kind of surreptitiously or
44:21
Speaker 1: at least under the table, ordered this thing, uh to
44:24
Speaker 1: stir up a lot of um maybe not conspiracy, but
44:29
Speaker 1: just interest as a tourist attraction, and it was just
44:32
Speaker 1: sort of an inside job for the county to begin with,
44:35
Speaker 1: and it ended up you know a lot of people
44:36
Speaker 1: people from around the world eventually would come and see
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Speaker 1: this thing, uh and check it out in person. So
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Speaker 1: it did work. But I just don't know if if
44:45
Speaker 1: that holds up well. Even at first in the internally
44:49
Speaker 1: in the town, Friendly and Martin the grantit finisher and
44:53
Speaker 1: the banker were accused of being the ones behind it,
44:56
Speaker 1: and they actually took very publicly lie detector tests I
44:59
Speaker 1: think it Alberton City Hall and both passed. So after
45:03
Speaker 1: that they the cloud of suspicion they were under kind
45:05
Speaker 1: of past. But um, yeah, that was I guess kind
45:08
Speaker 1: of a bit of a controversy from the outset because
45:11
Speaker 1: you know, um, Findley really kind of made out with
45:14
Speaker 1: this job and it just kind of dropped into his lap.
45:17
Speaker 1: So I think some of the other granite finishers were
45:19
Speaker 1: suspicious of it. So the guy Charlie Clamp, this carver
45:23
Speaker 1: who heard the voices and stuff, his son Mark Clamp,
45:27
Speaker 1: which is a great name. UM, would like propose the
45:31
Speaker 1: idea for like week long festivals, and they would use
45:34
Speaker 1: that as evidence that it was an inside thing. But
45:37
Speaker 1: I just saw that as like a younger generation saying like, hey,
45:40
Speaker 1: we got this thing, let's like try and make some
45:41
Speaker 1: money off of it. Yeah. I think there are plenty
45:44
Speaker 1: of people in town. I saw in and there was
45:46
Speaker 1: a Wired article that in two thousand nine it was
45:48
Speaker 1: like the definitive story that for a long time. UM.
45:52
Speaker 1: And they said that it literally put Alberton on the
45:54
Speaker 1: map because it was first included in two thousand five
45:58
Speaker 1: and National Geographics Geo Tourism Map Guide to Appalachia. There
46:03
Speaker 1: you have it. Yeah, And like Alberton would not have
46:06
Speaker 1: been included in that had it not been for the
46:08
Speaker 1: Georgia guidstone. So yeah, like it definitely had an impact
46:12
Speaker 1: on the local economy for decades because it just brought
46:14
Speaker 1: people who otherwise would not have shown up. Alright, So
46:19
Speaker 1: the guidestones are there for quite a long time, beginning
46:22
Speaker 1: in sort of the mid two thousand's. Uh, there was
46:25
Speaker 1: some vandalism that started popping up here and there, UM
46:29
Speaker 1: spray painting them Jesus will beat you, Satanist, the letter
46:33
Speaker 1: you uh no one World government. Uh. Some of them
46:38
Speaker 1: talked about nine eleven being an inside job. Some talked
46:41
Speaker 1: about Obama like Obama berthers and saying that he was
46:45
Speaker 1: a Muslim. My favorite joke, can I share? Yeah, I
46:48
Speaker 1: think you're about Yeah, go ahead. My favorite was the
46:50
Speaker 1: Council on Foreign Relations is ran by the devil, talk
46:55
Speaker 1: about sticking into the new World Order? Am I right?
46:59
Speaker 1: My favorite was the isis one which was reported to
47:03
Speaker 1: the FBI, But it said I am isis Goddess Love,
47:08
Speaker 1: which is you know, talking about the Egyptian goddess? Isis
47:12
Speaker 1: not not Isis? Isis not isol isis whoever alerted the
47:17
Speaker 1: FBI makes no distinction between those two apparently, Uh, that's right.
47:22
Speaker 1: And so these things have been sort of vandalized over
47:24
Speaker 1: the years. And this culminated in uh just a little
47:28
Speaker 1: over a month ago, July six this year, UM, at
47:32
Speaker 1: four am in the morning, a bomb went off in
47:36
Speaker 1: and destroyed enough of the Georgia guide stones to call
47:41
Speaker 1: them dangerous and call for their complete demolition by the county. Um,
47:46
Speaker 1: they have it on video because they did have cameras
47:48
Speaker 1: kind of monitoring this thing. Uh, and there was a
47:52
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a blurry video that you can
47:55
Speaker 1: look it up online. You can see the bomb going off. Um,
47:58
Speaker 1: you don't really get a very clear look at the car.
48:01
Speaker 1: You don't get a very clear look at a human
48:03
Speaker 1: to silver sedan. I looked up just today to see
48:07
Speaker 1: if there were any new leads and I think they're
48:09
Speaker 1: kind of coming up empty so far on who actually
48:12
Speaker 1: demolished this thing. Yeah, I saw that the a t
48:16
Speaker 1: F is trying to figure out what explosive was used,
48:19
Speaker 1: and the g b I is looking for this person
48:21
Speaker 1: who is going to charge them with a terroristic act
48:23
Speaker 1: or whatever. But sadly, Albertson voted to give the remains
48:27
Speaker 1: over to the Granite Council, and the Granite Council voted
48:31
Speaker 1: not to rebuild, So the Georgia guidestones are gone forever.
48:35
Speaker 1: Because when there's fundamentalist conspiracy theorists around, we just can't
48:41
Speaker 1: have nice things. You can't have nice things. You got
48:44
Speaker 1: anything else? I got zero nice things left? All right? Well,
48:48
Speaker 1: since Chuck said that everybody, it's time for a listener mail.
48:54
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this a couple of breakfast emails. Are
48:57
Speaker 1: that episode just dropped today? I r l about our
49:00
Speaker 1: breakfast foods and people seem to like it. The first
49:03
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna say is I misspoken. Said sour cream
49:06
Speaker 1: on my bagel instead of cream cheat what everybody's been
49:09
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, I didn't. Obviously, it was just a
49:12
Speaker 1: verbal typo and you didn't even catch it. So um.
49:15
Speaker 1: The people that said, hey, you clearly misspoke, thank you.
49:19
Speaker 1: The people that are like, what you eat sour cream
49:24
Speaker 1: on bagels? Like come on, come on, come on? All right,
49:29
Speaker 1: So there's there's a couple of them. Hello, Chaps, really
49:32
Speaker 1: enjoyed your show about breakfast. But have you ever had
49:34
Speaker 1: a great British fry up a k a. A full
49:37
Speaker 1: English breakfast? It's basically a heart attack on a plate. Bacon, sausage,
49:41
Speaker 1: grilled tomatoes, baked beans, mushrooms, black pudding, toast and or
49:45
Speaker 1: fried bread, hash brown patty style and at least two
49:48
Speaker 1: fried eggs, the ultimate hangover your cure, and the greatest
49:51
Speaker 1: meal of all time, washed down with copious cups of
49:54
Speaker 1: hot tea and complimented with HP brown sauce that is
49:58
Speaker 1: from Donna Kay in the UK, and uh, yeah, don
50:01
Speaker 1: I've had that. I don't like the mushroom part, and
50:04
Speaker 1: I'm not really big on grilled tomatoes. What about the beans?
50:07
Speaker 1: Do you like the beans? I do? I love them.
50:09
Speaker 1: I'm down with all the really because you know, you
50:11
Speaker 1: see those beans and you're like, man, all that's gonna
50:13
Speaker 1: be low too with brown sugar, and then you take
50:15
Speaker 1: a bite and you're like, oh nope, they're not like
50:17
Speaker 1: Georgia barbecue. It tastes like Roger Daltry. That's good. Think
50:28
Speaker 1: what a great who reference. I'm pretty proud of that
50:31
Speaker 1: one too. Did you write that down? You just think
50:34
Speaker 1: of it because you didn't even know. This is coming,
50:37
Speaker 1: very very well done. All right, here's the other one. Hey, guys,
50:41
Speaker 1: Breakfast episode is wonderful. We're gonna do a little Judge
50:44
Speaker 1: John Hodgman here. We're gonna actually intervene here and make
50:48
Speaker 1: a decision. I keep having to pause the episode to
50:52
Speaker 1: text my partner, Uh new mind blowing facts that I
50:55
Speaker 1: had learned, and I was hoping you would say something
50:57
Speaker 1: that would validate my opinions on brunch, but at last
51:00
Speaker 1: you did not brunch is breakfast food at lunchtime, and
51:04
Speaker 1: this is the hill I will die on. I start
51:07
Speaker 1: this debate regularly as my in laws like to plan
51:10
Speaker 1: brunch no lunch food at all for nine am, and
51:15
Speaker 1: I argue that the word they're looking for is just breakfast.
51:18
Speaker 1: I have no leg to stand on. Thanks for all
51:21
Speaker 1: you do, and this is from Stephanie. Uh. And so
51:23
Speaker 1: I asked Stephanie a couple of follow up questions. Basically,
51:27
Speaker 1: I was like, um, do they sort of alcohol at
51:32
Speaker 1: this nine am quote unquote brunch? And do they usually
51:35
Speaker 1: eat it like five am? And so this would be
51:39
Speaker 1: much much much later for them? Uh? And Stephanie said, Uh,
51:44
Speaker 1: my mother and father in law don't really eat breakfast normally.
51:47
Speaker 1: Everyone else probably does have something and possibly early since
51:51
Speaker 1: most of them are teachers. Um, but nothing agreed. Just
51:55
Speaker 1: I think mimosas are fair game, so maybe that's fair
51:59
Speaker 1: enough to get it class about his brunch. But uh,
52:02
Speaker 1: most of these mimosas are mostly o J unless I'm
52:04
Speaker 1: in charge of making them. So I'm gonna rule this
52:09
Speaker 1: is just breakfast. Yeah, I would call that boozy breakfast. Yeah.
52:13
Speaker 1: And that ain't brunch brunch. You gotta eat it after
52:16
Speaker 1: after ten thirty at least more like Yeah, no, I
52:21
Speaker 1: would say ten thirties the early, the earliest you'll walk
52:24
Speaker 1: past the rooster crowing. Maybe yeah, at that time nine
52:28
Speaker 1: a m. Is it's just I'm sorry, Stephanie's in laws.
52:31
Speaker 1: It's breakfast and we have ruled on it. I'm Jesse Thorn.
52:36
Speaker 1: I mean throw a throw a tuna melt on there.
52:38
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a case, but if you're deserving breakfast
52:41
Speaker 1: items at nine am, then it's breakfast. He really is.
52:44
Speaker 1: But then also, Stephanie, I want to put in a
52:46
Speaker 1: word for your in laws, like you just lay off
52:51
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it brunch if they want to.
52:53
Speaker 1: But you're right, yeah, you are correct. If you want
52:57
Speaker 1: to be like Stephanie and can solva dispute, No, we
53:01
Speaker 1: can't do that, John Dodgment, does that best? The other person?
53:03
Speaker 1: What's the other person's name? The first guy? Oh, I
53:06
Speaker 1: got you? The first person was I like that swinging
53:09
Speaker 1: in though, Chuck, that was great stuff. Donna Kay. Okay,
53:12
Speaker 1: So if you want to be like Stephanie and Donna
53:14
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53:17
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