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248: Satan's Gullible Helper · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 1: Water's wet, the sky's blue. And old Satan Claus, Jimmy,
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  Speaker 1: he's out there.
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  Speaker 5: And he's just getting stronger.
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  Speaker 6: Boys and girls of every age Wouldn't you like to
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  Speaker 6: This our town of Halloween.
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  Speaker 3: This is Halloween, this is Halloween Won't you stay with
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  Speaker 3: the dead all night?
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  Speaker 6: This is Halloween, everybody may see Don't cheat till the end,
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  Speaker 6: it's gonna die right This our town of Halloween This.
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  Speaker 7: Town of Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I am Ben.
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  Speaker 8: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 9: I am Posh Dave.
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  Speaker 2: I am Sterling. I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 10: Now I'm Sporty Dave.
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  Speaker 2: I like that we have that breakdown now. Keeps that shit.
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  Speaker 8: You're the only one.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even come up with it. I'm just enjoying it.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's difficult for me to not think of Posh Dave.
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  Speaker 11: Unfortunately, you're Dave Beckham then if you're Posh Dave.
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  Speaker 9: I am married to another Dave. Yet another Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you have high standards. They have to be named Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Have to be a globally recognized soccer player.
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  Speaker 3: So can we all have adjectives, please?
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  Speaker 2: What has yours been? Sleepy. Does that make Greg bashful?
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  Speaker 12: We're like melding the Spice Girls and the Seven Dwarves
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  Speaker 12: into some horrible band.
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  Speaker 8: I think at one point I was old Greg.
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  Speaker 3: I want some baileys a little kiss you know the
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  Speaker 3: midget cover band maybe there could be like a midget
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  Speaker 3: Spice Girl tribute.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god there probably is it's a scary.
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  Speaker 3: Thing extra Spice or I don't know extra Spice.
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  Speaker 2: Well you know Spice Girls also changed the lives of
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  Speaker 2: many transvestites around the world I'm sure that it.
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  Speaker 3: Made them want to stop oh they stopped doing it
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  Speaker 3: I'm hanging up my tights no more.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 12: We and the Spice Girls are coming to you live
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  Speaker 12: via digital recording from the Alley Theater. Thank you, Sterling,
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  Speaker 12: for bringing us here this week.
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  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
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  Speaker 12: To do a little intro here with a geek activity,
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  Speaker 12: I have something, and I wanted to throw it out there,
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  Speaker 12: and I want to see what your thoughts are on
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  Speaker 12: this idea. I'm assuming I'm the only one that's seen this.
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  Speaker 12: It's just come out. This week, I watched Fright Night 2,
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  Speaker 12: colon New Blood.
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  Speaker 8: Is this a colon?
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  Speaker 12: I don't know if it's officially colon, because again, when
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  Speaker 12: you look it up, it's different. In the IMDb, it
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  Speaker 12: doesn't have it. On the box, it has it. I
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  Speaker 12: think in the end credits, it does. throws that text
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  Speaker 12: in there but imdb doesn't even list it as part
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  Speaker 12: of the title it's just fright night two okay.
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  Speaker 2: So let's let's return to the basic issue which is
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  Speaker 2: there's a fright night.
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  Speaker 12: Two that's the thing up until the week before i
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  Speaker 12: had no idea they were even making a fright night.
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  Speaker 10: Two this is based on the reboot then right.
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  Speaker 12: Yes sort of no oh that's how this goes i
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  Speaker 12: assumed it was a sequel to the one that just
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  Speaker 12: came out recently with colin what's his face And truthfully.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't hate that.
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  Speaker 12: Like, I'm such a fan of the original, I expected
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  Speaker 12: to hate the remake. Turns out it's not bad. Like,
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  Speaker 12: it's pretty entertaining. There's some cheesy graphics, but that was
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  Speaker 12: because they were trying to catch in on that 3D thing.
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  Speaker 12: You throw that out, and it's actually pretty well put together.
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  Speaker 2: Two, I can't.
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  Speaker 12: Even get to the movie itself because I'm too busy
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  Speaker 12: being annoyed by the setup. I've never seen them within...
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it came out last year. This one is
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  Speaker 12: almost like a reboot of the reboot. It's like they're
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  Speaker 12: taking the same characters, but none.
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  Speaker 2: Of that stuff happened. It's like we're starting over again.
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  Speaker 12: I've never seen this in a span of time. But again,
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  Speaker 12: it's not like they just said, oh, it's another Fright Night.
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  Speaker 12: It's Fright Night 2. They're billing it as a sequel. But,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it's halfway into the movie, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 12: why is he not acknowledging that this went down last year,
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  Speaker 12: you know? It's like, because the girlfriend's, like, mad at him,
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  Speaker 12: and I'm like, is this because of the, you know,
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  Speaker 12: you got almost.
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  Speaker 2: Killed by a vampire?
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  Speaker 12: Like, I'm trying to piece together the continuation story. It's
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  Speaker 12: halfway into the movie before I realize there isn't one.
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  Speaker 12: They really just started from scratch and started over, but
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  Speaker 12: they're keeping, like, all the characters have.
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  Speaker 2: The same names. It's more or less the same relationship.
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  Speaker 2: You've still got Charlie.
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  Speaker 12: You've still got the girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: You've still got Evil Ed being annoying. Everybody has their place.
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  Speaker 12: Here's the big thing, and I swear this is probably
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  Speaker 12: the pitch that got this movie made. Jerry Dandridge is
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  Speaker 12: spelled with a G, and it's a girl.
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  Speaker 1: Whoa.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's the spin on it.
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  Speaker 12: Which, again, when I saw that in the trailer, I went, Okay,
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  Speaker 12: I assumed they were trying to do the reboot of
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  Speaker 12: the sequel the first time around. Because the second one,
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  Speaker 12: the main vampire is a girl. And it's actually the
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  Speaker 12: character from... No, it's a whole different character. But it's
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  Speaker 12: Regina Dandridge. And it's actually the sister of Chris Sarandon's
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  Speaker 12: character in the first one. That's in the 80s movies.
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  Speaker 12: So I thought, okay, there's a girl vampire. They're just
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  Speaker 12: kind of doing a loose interpretation of it.
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  Speaker 5: Nope.
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  Speaker 12: They do almost the exact same story. Like to the
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  Speaker 12: point of he sees in the window and this time
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  Speaker 12: it's a chick with another chick that he sees in
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  Speaker 12: the window. And then she screams and like, it's, it's
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  Speaker 12: set up the same, only done really badly. Like it's just,
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  Speaker 12: and it, and it seems rushed like everything. Like there's
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  Speaker 12: no time to feel any of that.
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  Speaker 2: Momentum that you do in the first one.
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  Speaker 12: And, and no, like the, the fact that everybody sort
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  Speaker 12: of doesn't believe it, like immediately it just goes right
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  Speaker 12: down the next scene and they move on.
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  Speaker 2: And like, there's nothing to it really.
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  Speaker 12: It just seems so rushed and thrown together, which it
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  Speaker 12: was when you're making this sequel straight to DVD movie.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: I was like, why have you ever heard of anything
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  Speaker 12: like that?
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  Speaker 2: And why the hell?
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  Speaker 12: I mean, I guess just the cash grab on the
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  Speaker 12: name is the only reason. But I mean, the real
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  Speaker 12: reason is they set the whole thing. This is the
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  Speaker 12: only difference aside from the girl vampire.
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  Speaker 2: It's in Romania.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: And I'm like, well, the reason it's set in Romania
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  Speaker 12: is because it's cheap to shoot in Romania.
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  Speaker 2: It costs about $ 12. Yeah, it's cheap to shoot in Romania. So,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: What are your thoughts on this idea? You don't have
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  Speaker 12: to see the movie. Just that blows your mind.
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  Speaker 10: I thought they really were doing a part two, though.
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  Speaker 10: I thought they really were in talks of doing a
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  Speaker 10: second one.
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you think they would? I mean, it made pretty
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  Speaker 2: decent money.
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  Speaker 10: I want to say I read that recently that it
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  Speaker 10: was still happening.
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  Speaker 9: It's a count already.
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  Speaker 10: So, how did.
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  Speaker 2: How did this straight-to-DVD nonsense come about?
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  Speaker 10: And Fright Night's spelled exactly the same.
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  Speaker 2: No silences.
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  Speaker 10: It's not spelled with a P-H.
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  Speaker 9: It's this whole, you know, reboot, sequel, rehash, industrial thing
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  Speaker 9: run amok.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 9: My God, we'll just throw it on video.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 9: Now, and forget about promoting it. Forget about letting anybody
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  Speaker 9: know this exists. What's the point in any of that stuff?
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: The whole red box getting out a knockoff before the
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  Speaker 11: original comes out thing is almost sickening. The characters almost
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  Speaker 11: look like, especially with the animated stuff.
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  Speaker 10: I remember the brave.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, they'll have the little girl with the red hair. Yeah,
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  Speaker 11: I mean, it's... It's ridiculous now. It's all designed so that.
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  Speaker 8: Back in the.
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  Speaker 13: Day, that's what Kmart's video section was for.
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  Speaker 11: It's designed so that Grandma thinks it's the one that
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  Speaker 11: the kid gets.
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  Speaker 2: That kid loves the Fright Night movies.
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  Speaker 13: That's why I've still said for the longest time, if
• 9:15
  Speaker 13: Lucas put out the.
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  Speaker 8: Star Wars Christmas special.
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  Speaker 2: You'd sell them.
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  Speaker 13: Every grandma that has a grandchild that's in the Star
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  Speaker 13: Wars would buy that.
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  Speaker 11: Why not get the cash for it? People see it anyway.
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  Speaker 11: People know you made it. They're going to search for it.
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  Speaker 11: Just make the money off of it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 12: I couldn't even get to the movie itself to be like,
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it's not great. As I said, it just
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  Speaker 12: seems thrown together, but I'm just like, I couldn't even
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  Speaker 12: get to the point of making a real judgment on
• 9:48
  Speaker 12: it because I sat there half the time going, wait,
• 9:51
  Speaker 12: why the hell are you not talking about this shit
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  Speaker 12: that just happened? Because you've got a two on the end. Obviously,
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  Speaker 12: it's a continuation of the story, or why wouldn't you
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  Speaker 12: just say Fright Night colon, give it another title, put
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  Speaker 12: new characters in there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even care.
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  Speaker 12: If you want to do a bad, make it a series.
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  Speaker 12: Make it like the American Pie series kind of thing.
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  Speaker 12: Just do another vampire movie every year with Fright Night
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  Speaker 12: slapped on the front.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't like that, but I can understand it. It
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  Speaker 2: makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe having a two on it doesn't necessarily make it
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  Speaker 3: a sequel it's like I've got two pairs of black
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  Speaker 3: jeans and you know here's one pair and here's the
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  Speaker 3: second one they're both kind of.
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  Speaker 11: The same or maybe it's T-O-O see if it was.
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  Speaker 12: If they went the teen wolf route I'd be okay
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  Speaker 12: with it I'd be like well they.
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  Speaker 13: Got a point maybe it's like Lucio Fulci's Zombie 2
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  Speaker 13: maybe that's it.
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  Speaker 12: They released it in Romania and it made sense but
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  Speaker 12: here I don't know It was just really frustrating. I
• 10:49
  Speaker 12: think they're still crediting Tom Holland as like a characters,
• 10:54
  Speaker 12: but like, yeah, they've just turned it over to people
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  Speaker 12: who don't give her access now.
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  Speaker 2: And it's really, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 12: I wouldn't even care if it was a reboot of
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  Speaker 12: the second one or something, or even a whole new story.
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  Speaker 12: I just don't understand the keeping the same characters and
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  Speaker 12: not acknowledging the last movie.
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  Speaker 10: It just doesn't make any sense. Very strange.
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  Speaker 8: It's groundhog day.
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  Speaker 11: Frighten at your groundhog day.
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  Speaker 2: I guess.
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  Speaker 12: That's kind of, I mean, really, it's like they just
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  Speaker 12: start over again like it never happened.
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: And it kicks off with Sonny and Cher. It was
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  Speaker 2: the strangest thing ever.
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I say with that, we take a break and come
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  Speaker 2: back with this week's movie. The Fortune Queen of New
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  Speaker 2: Orleans is brushing her cat in her place.
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  Speaker 14: On the back seat were scratches from the marks of men,
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  Speaker 14: her fortune she had won. Couldn't see through the tinted glass.
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  Speaker 9: She said, home James, he hit the gas.
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  Speaker 1: I followed her to some darkened room.
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  Speaker 2: Took my money, she said, I'll be waiting.
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  Speaker 12: She told me more about me.
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  Speaker 2: Than I knew myself.
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  Speaker 12: She dealt two cards, a queen and a three, and
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  Speaker 12: mumbled some words that were so strange to me.
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  Speaker 2: Submit it, folks.
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  Speaker 3: Satan and his shrieks in the night.
• 13:48
  Speaker 4: If you think you've seen horror shows before, we warn you,
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  Speaker 4: this new kind of show is completely unlike anything you
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  Speaker 4: have ever seen. The action takes place in the audience.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be surrounded by the most hideous horde of horror
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  Speaker 4: creatures ever to walk on the earth. You'll see, back
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  Speaker 4: from their graves, fiendish vampires who drink human blood. living corpses, werewolves,
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  Speaker 4: ghost women, 1001 nightmarish creatures. Girls, do you have the
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: nerve to meet the Invisible Man? He puts his arms
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  Speaker 4: around you. You can't see him, but you feel his presence.
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  Speaker 4: What a new thrill. Dr. Satan hypnotizes everyone in the audience,
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  Speaker 4: including you. You'll see the slave maidens at the mercy
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  Speaker 4: of hideous beasts. Human sacrifices, death on the slab. So
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  Speaker 4: scary your blood will run cold. Dr. Satan has appeared
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  Speaker 4: in person with and startled George Goble, Donald O'Connor, Orson Welles,
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  Speaker 4: Jack Bailey, Art.
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  Speaker 2: Baker, and many others.
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  Speaker 4: Ed Johnson of the New York News wrote, At long last,
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  Speaker 4: I have seen a horror show even scarier than advertised.
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  Speaker 4: A horror show strictly in a class by itself. Give
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  Speaker 4: it thrills you want, thrills you'll get, when you see Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Satan's shrieks in the night.
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  Speaker 12: I probably wouldn't want another lame, terrible, and he's going
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  Speaker 12: to be like, Guys, we.
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  Speaker 3: Have a new one. I don't know why David hasn't
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  Speaker 3: sent it.
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  Speaker 12: He doesn't like your show, and he's trying to sabotage.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, true.
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  Speaker 10: If you send it over, I'll play it. Hey, guys.
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  Speaker 15: It's the repeater from the Tower of Technobabble, and we're
• 15:50
  Speaker 15: getting ready to do our next show. And I thought
• 15:52
  Speaker 15: it might be cool for you to look behind the
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  Speaker 3: Religions.
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  Speaker 9: Need it.
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  Speaker 2: Science.
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  Speaker 5: Got it.
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  Speaker 8: Sci-fi.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Do you mean sci-fi?
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  Speaker 8: Space probes.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Got it. Sports. Screw that. Star Wars. Got it.
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  Speaker 9: Star Wars prequels.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, God, no. Superman. Got it. Transformers. Got it.
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  Speaker 9: Troll Hunter.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Got it. Twilight.
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  Speaker 16: That.
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  Speaker 8: UFOs.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 5: Urban legends.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 1: Weird tales.
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  Speaker 2: Got it.
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  Speaker 13: Hi, this is William Ragsdale from Fright Night, and you're
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  Speaker 7: It's time for Sofa Theater. Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 17: Mom, Dougie, this is Alex.
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  Speaker 1: Alex, our house.
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  Speaker 10: Want some cider?
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  Speaker 3: A time of make-believe.
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  Speaker 2: He is going to be so scary.
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  Speaker 6: Dressing up like the devil is part of the game.
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  Speaker 17: It really is a Satan, right?
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  Speaker 5: For one little boy.
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  Speaker 7: Where are you going?
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  Speaker 10: To find Satan.
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  Speaker 1: The devil. What's with all the Satan stuff?
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  Speaker 14: Well, your dad got in this video game.
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  Speaker 1: Is real.
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  Speaker 10: Are you Satan?
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  Speaker 1: Can I be your helper?
• 18:27
  Speaker 10: When he brings the devil home, his family pays the price.
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: This could be our secret door to hell. Mom, help me, Alex!
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  Speaker 1: Child's game. For this you shall die.
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  Speaker 6: Is about to become a terrifying reality.
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  Speaker 13: Both his boys!
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  Speaker 5: This Halloween. Yes!
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  Speaker 10: The devil you know is dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: You're really into this, aren't you? The devil you don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Don't go out there.
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  Speaker 1: Will kill you.
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  Speaker 7: Where is he?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: The medicine said all the dead people were dead, but
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: he lied.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: I'm going after them.
• 19:04
  Speaker 13: Get up!
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Run!
• 19:12
  Speaker 10: Satan's Little Helper.
• 19:17
  Speaker 7: THE END.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: All right, we're back.
• 20:08
  Speaker 12: And it is time to get into this week's sofa
• 20:11
  Speaker 12: theater feature. This week's movie of choice is Satan's Little Helper.
• 20:17
  Speaker 8: Why did you sigh at the beginning of that?
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: Because it's such a wonderful movie.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I didn't have any choice.
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: There was no choice involved.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: The year is 2004.
• 20:25
  Speaker 12: The director, Jeb Lieberman.
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: Which was the scariest part of this.
• 20:32
  Speaker 12: The plot, according to IMDb, it's very succinct, but yet accurate.
• 20:39
  Speaker 12: A naive young boy unknowingly becomes the pawn of a
• 20:42
  Speaker 12: serial killer.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: They got a point. Spoiler alert.
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: This is a cinema classic, and we do not want
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: to ruin it for you. There are some big twists
• 20:51
  Speaker 12: along the way. You better go watch it for yourself.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Suckers.
• 20:54
  Speaker 8: Yeah, stop it now. Stop the show now.
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: Suckers.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I just want to say up front, I was a
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: little bit disappointed because Satan's Helpers, that was the name
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: of the bike gang in Pee Wee's Big Adventure.
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: I thought this was going.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: To be about their adventure.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Their own spinoff movie.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: It wasn't.
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: That would be a good movie.
• 21:13
  Speaker 17: I was really sad about that, too.
• 21:16
  Speaker 12: All right, so it is very Halloween themed. It is
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: fitting of this season that we're in. So we'll continue
• 21:25
  Speaker 12: to chow down on this candy corn we got here.
• 21:28
  Speaker 17: It's just me at this point.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: I can't stop. I have a problem.
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: Where would you like to begin with Santa's Little Helper?
• 21:37
  Speaker 8: That's Bart's dog.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: You mean Satan's.
• 21:39
  Speaker 12: I actually like Bart's dog better, actually.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like such a dork for mentioning this, but
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: they make that joke at some point. They take the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: dog to obedience school and she's like, next dog up
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: is Satan's little helper. It's like, yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: I saw about 15 minutes of this movie, because Dave
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: came over before, and he's like, oh, you're watching this?
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And he goes, I don't know, you don't need to
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: watch the whole thing.
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: I said, don't bother.
• 22:05
  Speaker 13: And so I just basically, I skipped.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I threw it out there first.
• 22:08
  Speaker 13: I skipped every 10 minutes. And it didn't make a difference, really, actually. Well, granted,
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: I haven't seen it in its entirety, but I got
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: the basic. You got the gist of it. Yeah, I
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: got the gist of it, and I think Dave put
• 22:20
  Speaker 13: it best. He described it as like, A bad episode
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: of Goosebumps.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: It kind of is.
• 22:26
  Speaker 9: You know, that's the weird thing.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Are you afraid of the dark?
• 22:28
  Speaker 9: I started watching this movie, and I'm thinking, I didn't
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: even look it up or anything, because there it was
• 22:31
  Speaker 9: on Amazon. I was going to watch this, and I'm thinking, well,
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: this is probably something that you dug up from the 80s,
• 22:37
  Speaker 9: or maybe the 90s. And for a while, it was.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay.
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: And I started noticing the make of the truck that
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: Amanda Plummer's cruising in. I said, that's not that old.
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: And I look. It's 2004.
• 22:48
  Speaker 10: But it looks like early 90s.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: And it's competently shot on what seems to be video,
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: like a Goosebumps show would be. I mean, there's a
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: professional crew and the lighting and everything's there. But then
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: listen to.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The music, man.
• 23:02
  Speaker 9: It's like 1987 score on a 1990 video production that
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: got made in 2004. So it was just so weird
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: to watch this thing. And there's Amanda Plummer, who's, you know,
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: Pretty legit actress I like a lot.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: I think she was high the entire movie.
• 23:21
  Speaker 17: I mean, she talked about being high.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: She's very high-strung.
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: She's always got a weird vibe to her performances.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't like her.
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: She's slumming in this one.
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: She's not likable in anything. She's good if you cast
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: her in the right role, but she's never really a
• 23:38
  Speaker 12: likable character.
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: She was fun in So I Married an Axe Murderer.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, where she was the axe murderer. Excuse me, spoilers.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Ah, no.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But seriously, though, she had some of that same vibe, though,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: of just ultra high, strong. I kept thinking while she
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: was trying to do stuff for the boyfriend who came
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: over and be a good... I kept thinking of the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: scene with her and Mike Myers where she's like, Oh,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you sure you don't want me to make you breakfast?
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: Like silver dollar pancakes and sausages and all this other stuff.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: And then she winds up just pouring him a bowl
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: of cereal and watching him while he eats it. Like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: that was the vibe I got from her the entire time.
• 24:12
  Speaker 11: She was, it really threw me off. She was, like
• 24:17
  Speaker 11: there was bad acting in it. There was plenty of
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: bad acting. But she, probably the most experienced person of
• 24:23
  Speaker 11: the cast, was probably the worst.
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: Person in the cast.
• 24:27
  Speaker 11: And she was just inappropriately loud sometimes and or inappropriately
• 24:34
  Speaker 11: she has no concept of what she was supposed to
• 24:36
  Speaker 11: be doing and i'm this is a nitpicky point because
• 24:39
  Speaker 11: it's there's plenty to be mad at about this film
• 24:42
  Speaker 11: um especially because there's parts of i mean this writer
• 24:46
  Speaker 11: the writer director no should know what he's doing by
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: now um and and obviously doesn't or is on drugs himself.
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: So... He took too much blue sunshine.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Speaking of nitpicking in the cast, I... Okay, we see
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Amanda Plummer, we see her son, we see the husband.
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: Mm-hmm.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I don't see how this gene pool created the hot
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: blonde girl.
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: How does this family actually exist?
• 25:14
  Speaker 17: The husband seemed a little too young.
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: For her in the first place.
• 25:17
  Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I don't think the mother or
• 25:19
  Speaker 11: father were Jewish, but the kid was clearly a Jewish kid.
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: Oh, man, did he not look like Ben Stein?
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: He had a bit of that Christmas story vibe going on,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: like the Ralphie business.
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: Well, the whole thing, too, is like the kid, when
• 25:31
  Speaker 13: you first hear him delivering his dialogue... You can tell
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: it's an adult's dialogue. It's like the kids don't... For me,
• 25:40
  Speaker 13: it was just rubbing me the wrong way. That's how
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: an adult thinks kids talk versus that's how kids talk
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: sort of thing. But at the same time, this kid
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: seemed really intelligent and just very well-spoken, but yet he
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: doesn't realize he's hanging out with a serial killer.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: There's a big question in this film. It rests on
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that whole issue of gullibility, just how gullible... Like, exactly
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: how many times does the silent masked person have to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: paw at the blonde girl before she realizes, hey, this
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: doesn't feel quite like my boyfriend.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: But no, he was in character.
• 26:11
  Speaker 15: He was.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: He's an actor. You should understand. Yeah, well, about that.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: I love that I brought up that they're in acting school.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no. That was fun for you, right, Sterling?
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: That was fun. Oh, yeah. I also love the fact
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: that he looked like he steps out of, like, again,
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: it looked like he was from, like, the early 90s
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: with his, like, with his, like... little hat and his
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: long grungy hair and everything um and it was great
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: i was like oh man it's about time i saw
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: a hero like that guy again like the skinny white
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: dude i'm gonna save the day but um with dad
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: issues needless to say but i don't know this films
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: like this the interesting thing to me watching them is
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is your brain slips into that mode where you kind
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: of wind up tuning out or maybe this is just
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: me and you guys are different but you kind of
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: wind up tuning out the gross problems with the film
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: and like the huge faults. And you start saying things like, well,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: that was nicely done. Or, oh, that was a well-delivered line. Or,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you know, this is actually a really creepy little, like
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you start finding these little bits that you actually want
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: to try to be fair.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 17: I really just expected it to be so much worse.
• 27:11
  Speaker 17: My expectations were extremely low. So I liked, I thought
• 27:15
  Speaker 17: this movie was an enjoyable watch.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Sorry.
• 27:19
  Speaker 12: Well, I was going to say, I'm kind of with
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: you halfway, Marlena. Like, halfway in, it was so dumb,
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: I was kind of having fun with it. Like, it
• 27:28
  Speaker 12: is like, it's one of those, they're just like, it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: so preposterous the way things are going down that I'm entertained.
• 27:34
  Speaker 12: And maybe it's along the same lines as watching Goosebumps. Like,
• 27:37
  Speaker 12: those are kind of fun, too.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, yeah, you have the main villain is basically, like,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: he's not.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: The description lists him as a serial killer, but really
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he's like a supervillain. Like, he's strong enough to throw
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: a grown man through a window. He kills cops easily.
• 27:53
  Speaker 13: Well, ever since Halloween came out, all masked killers have
• 27:56
  Speaker 13: to be Mike Myers.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Well, but this guy is like, I mean, he's kind
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: of unbelievably, I mean, the thing is he's never given
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: a supernatural origin. Like, we're allowed to... to sort of
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: hint at one towards the end, but really, there's no
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: explanation given. He's just a guy who seems to be
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: able to kill everyone. You know, I liked that aspect.
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: I like that we have no introduction to him except
• 28:19
  Speaker 12: we come into the scene and he's killing somebody. And
• 28:22
  Speaker 12: it's pretty early in. It's like, I looked at it,
• 28:24
  Speaker 12: it's like 11 minutes in. He's dragging a body out
• 28:27
  Speaker 12: in bright daylight.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And I'm like.
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: I liked the absurdity of that. I liked where it
• 28:32
  Speaker 12: was going at that point. It goes horribly wrong, but
• 28:35
  Speaker 12: I liked the concept.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: When they're at the party and she's wrapped up in
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: tape and no one seems to have noticed that she's
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: being held hostage. And he takes up a whole thing
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: of Drano and just pours it straight into the.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: I wonder how the fine people at Drano thought about, hey,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: that's product placement.
• 28:52
  Speaker 12: Oh no bad product well and then change the title
• 28:56
  Speaker 12: just a little well and then everyone walks up and
• 28:58
  Speaker 12: starts drinking it's like oh that's terrible and continues drinking
• 29:01
  Speaker 12: it like.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: You know that's most punches there's a kind of there's
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: a kind of cartoon quality to it by the end
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: where you just abandoned any sort of any sort of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: expectation of realism and that's actually one of the way
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: like that's another thing that sort of jumped out at
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: me that i actually kind of liked once i accepted
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: that I actually really found myself really liking the silent
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: acting the guy was doing like the thumbs up that
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: he would give I know I love that the.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Masks smile like every time he would do the double
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: thumb up with that smile.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: This guy like there was something really cheesy but at
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: the same and it stopped being scary at a certain
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: point but then it became a little creepy again.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I was very disappointed that it actually was a mask.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping... It wouldn't be, like, sure,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: it looked like a mask, but it wasn't. I don't know.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Because whenever you put on the Jesus suit, it just
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't the same.
• 29:54
  Speaker 11: Oh, I had fun with the Jesus suit.
• 29:56
  Speaker 13: See, I think that's what took it over the edge.
• 29:59
  Speaker 17: I thought that part was hilarious.
• 30:01
  Speaker 11: I thought that the kids still, after everything. He's like, oh,
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: Jesus is going to show up in a Jesus mask,
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: and I'm going to.
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: Well, you have to keep in mind, Dougie's dumb as
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: a rock.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: He's well-spoken, but dumb as a rock. Dougie's disturbed. Oh, massively.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: I blame his mom.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: His mom's also disturbed.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make you a little devil suit. Yeah, you
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: can do that. It's fine.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: And initially, there's like a bit where I was actually,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: I think this is just poor acting on Dougie's part,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: but like the scene where he first like, sees his
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: dad getting ripped open in front of him, I thought
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: he was laughing. I was just like, dude, when are
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: you going to realize?
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: Keep in mind, because I was sitting there going, man,
• 30:42
  Speaker 12: this kid is not very good.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: He's made one other movie in his career.
• 30:48
  Speaker 12: Around that actually I think it was that same year
• 30:50
  Speaker 12: and it's a Todd Solans movie so that puts it
• 30:55
  Speaker 12: Todd Solans puts it all in perspective.
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: I'm going to pick up Jenna at the ferry she
• 31:07
  Speaker 16: came home to spend Halloween with her brother is that true.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Love or what?
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: Jenna's my girlfriend I'm going to marry her says he's
• 31:16
  Speaker 16: gonna marry her yeah i don't think they got up
• 31:20
  Speaker 16: to the word incest in the third grade yet you
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: said sex i said incest and don't be so snoopy
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: play a game she always takes dougie out on halloween
• 31:30
  Speaker 16: she doesn't want to break the tradition.
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: I know when jenna takes me we're gonna find seat
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: and i'm gonna show him what a good helper i.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Am by the way i i really um and i'm
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the whole incest subplot.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Was killing me.
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: See, to me, that was creepier. You already get to
• 31:48
  Speaker 12: that a minute in, and I'm just like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: what kind of movie?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Slow down.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: The thing that got me when you mentioned the dad
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: there was, okay, from the very beginning, it's established that
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: the kid has the hots for his hot blonde sister.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Who's obviously not part of the family.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: And he wants to marry her, and she brings home
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: a guy, so he wants to kill him because she's...
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: The boyfriend is his competition. But the minute the hot
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: blonde daughter steps into the house, the mom's wanting to
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: dress her up as a slut. She's spanking her on
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: the ass when they're looking out the window. I think
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: that the mom is the real competition and ain't the boy.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: And the thing is... The minute dad walks home, he
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: gets killed. The minute he walks through the door, he
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: gets killed. So we don't even have time to see
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: him fondle his daughter.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: But it would have happened.
• 32:41
  Speaker 12: I mean, we've all noticed that she doesn't fit the
• 32:44
  Speaker 12: rest of the family. So maybe really she was sort
• 32:47
  Speaker 12: of brought in. And maybe it's okay that Dougie has
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: the hot tub.
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: In that case, it's okay. It's more not okay, because
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: what we're talking about is not... What we're talking about
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: is an adopted child who then is adopted into a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: molester family. Oh, yeah. Proceeds to regularly.
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: You will wear this slut costume.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Is that any clearer than everything else in this movie?
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: It's notable also that when she's first dressing up, she's like, well...
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: but I don't want him to see me this way. Like,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: like she is so innocent acting. The thing is, she's
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: not bad.
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: And you, and it goes to show because she went
• 33:20
  Speaker 12: on to have a real career. Like she's in a
• 33:22
  Speaker 12: ton of TV work.
• 33:24
  Speaker 17: I was watching this and I was just like, her
• 33:26
  Speaker 17: acting isn't great in this movie, but she's very pretty.
• 33:29
  Speaker 17: And it's, there's a lot of room for improvement.
• 33:31
  Speaker 12: She's got potential because that's the other one I was
• 33:35
  Speaker 12: like Alex is horrible he's in one other film at
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: the time disappears so it's like you can see the two.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: People that have a career are the ones that have.
• 33:45
  Speaker 12: Some acting skills they're not necessarily using it in this
• 33:47
  Speaker 12: movie but those two have like an actual career and
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: the other people are just really bad.
• 33:52
  Speaker 11: Actors one part I did like is Alex's father.
• 33:58
  Speaker 8: He's really gross. Like, you know, he's got the younger girlfriend.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That was an unexpected scene.
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he has that look about him.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we had to work in some nudity.
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: If you were like a director and like, I've got
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: to find somebody creepy, that guy. And he does a
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: good job of being that. He could be a business man,
• 34:17
  Speaker 11: but he's also just gross. And I think that was
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: a pretty good job. And the guy does a good
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: job of being gross.
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: I'm just looking for highlights.
• 34:27
  Speaker 17: I feel like with the kid, they should have... I mean,
• 34:30
  Speaker 17: he should have been full-on clueless and stupid. He was
• 34:36
  Speaker 17: obviously disconnected. I don't think he was a sociopath, really,
• 34:41
  Speaker 17: per se.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: But there's something.
• 34:43
  Speaker 17: He was just like... He wasn't fully developed. Children at
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: a very small age know the difference between extremely right
• 34:51
  Speaker 17: and extremely... Like, a two-year-old knows that murder is wrong.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: It's almost like an autism that he has.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: That's why I blame his mom.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Because she was like, oh yeah, Satan's real.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: Well, and the fact that she doesn't have any problems
• 35:05
  Speaker 12: with this video game as he's sitting back there going, tearing.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: The guts out. This is awesome.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: isn't every.
• 35:10
  Speaker 12: Other parent in the world going you can't play that
• 35:12
  Speaker 12: i know i was like she's way.
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: It almost felt like a propaganda piece to me like
• 35:17
  Speaker 10: good good especially when he started to pray because i
• 35:20
  Speaker 10: didn't know how it was going to end in i
• 35:21
  Speaker 10: was like oh my gosh if jesus comes and saves
• 35:23
  Speaker 10: him now this is definitely propaganda because i just felt
• 35:26
  Speaker 10: like it was almost like playing up that media fear
• 35:29
  Speaker 10: on video games it's like oh look here's an innocent
• 35:31
  Speaker 10: little kid playing a game and We're going to make
• 35:33
  Speaker 10: it to Devil and be pretty literal about it. But look,
• 35:36
  Speaker 10: he's emulating the game. And I'm making coins.
• 35:39
  Speaker 12: Because of the video game.
• 35:41
  Speaker 10: I was like, this ends with a happy ending because
• 35:43
  Speaker 10: he's turning to Jesus now. Oh, my gosh.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I almost felt like they could have put any video
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: game in front of him. Like, if it had been
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: a Jesus-themed video game, he would have been, ah. And, like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: they could have put, like, in, I don't know, Obama
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: video game, and he'd be.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Like, I love the health care. Well, no, like, and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: look at, I also love the fact that the video
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: game is, like, a flash animation being played on what
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: looks to be, like, a digital phone or something. It's
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: got its own little unit. At first I thought he
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: was on a cell phone, but no, he's on, like,
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: his own little.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Like, camera.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly it's like it's like the guy's like hitting
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: some buttons on the narrow edge and i'm like dude
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you're playing on a camera they weren't that high tech
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: in this i don't know if you know no no
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: but again it adds to the to the era confusion
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of all these like people from the 90s listening to
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: music from the 80s and well they.
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Are on this isolated island maybe it takes.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Okay okay let's let's let's stop hypothesizing as to.
• 36:33
  Speaker 17: Why it was poorly written um supposedly on by the.
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: Way somewhere in Maine that's the different thing it is
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: Maine and everything is weird.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: There sorry Maine they only order their video games from
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Indonesia and they're all weirdly designed.
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: People in Maine know that everybody in Maine is weird
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: the people that I know from Maine are weird and
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: then they'll say yeah we're different.
• 37:00
  Speaker 18: But we're not Nova Scotia is what they'll tell you
• 37:04
  Speaker 18: at least we're not but let's look at the kids
• 37:07
  Speaker 18: actions real quick though it's like okay so he wants
• 37:10
  Speaker 18: the boyfriend's guts to be spilled out like he's very
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: adamant about this he wants to sleep with his sister
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: marry her specifically but I feel like.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: There's more I seem to recall there was more sexual
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: more sexually like.
• 37:24
  Speaker 12: He seems sort of out of it though because even
• 37:26
  Speaker 12: as she like becomes more sexualized he doesn't seem to
• 37:30
  Speaker 12: get into that at all.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Well because then he's by then he's focused on killing
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend like like that seems to be more of
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: a big deal to him and then to combine that
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: with the fact that he sees all these murderers and
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: it doesn't really affect him but and this is the
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: real killer for me is that he's he's talking to
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: satan or whoever this guy is supposed to be and
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: they're doing this whole who's on first routine of like
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: Satan makes the vaguest hand gestures and nods up and down.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: And then the kid winds up interpreting elaborate justifications for
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: his actions. You want me to watch? At the drop
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: of a hat. Like, oh, you want me to stand
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: guard and watch while you go, you know, go stick
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: his head in a blender? And, like, he immediately on
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: the spot has these enormous, like, well-developed fantasies of, like,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: what Satan anticipates. And, like, you get the impression that
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: the guy in the suit is like, Yeah, sure. Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: that's the answer. And he goes off and.
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: Does his thing.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Candy's over that way, master.
• 38:41
  Speaker 16: Is all that stuff to tape people up, kill them,
• 38:44
  Speaker 16: and spill.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Their guts out? Awesome! But not my mom and sister.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Even in pretend. You have to promise.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, I didn't get something. Like, you know, he
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: keeps telling Satan he wants Satan to rip out the
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: boyfriend's guts and all that. But then when Satan rips
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: out his dad's guts, which he had asked for, then
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: he's like, I thought it was a game.
• 39:11
  Speaker 8: I didn't think it was real.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Dude, what was.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: So it's just called really, really poor writing.
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's just that's and it shows what like either
• 39:20
  Speaker 12: how badly he's written or how crazy he is that
• 39:23
  Speaker 12: he definitely wants the boyfriend's guts ripped out. He has
• 39:27
  Speaker 12: no concept of right and wrong as they're mowing down.
• 39:29
  Speaker 12: people right and left in the cart and just like
• 39:32
  Speaker 12: violently killing people along the way but he makes the
• 39:35
  Speaker 12: point very specifically not my mom not my sister So
• 39:39
  Speaker 12: he knows there's actions and consequences.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: He does understand.
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: He's not totally ignorant.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But then he totally falls.
• 39:46
  Speaker 10: He didn't say, not my.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Dad, though.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: He didn't say, not my dad. But that's the thing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: It's not like he's just completely clueless. He doesn't know
• 39:53
  Speaker 12: what's going on. He makes that distinction and says, not
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: my sister, not my mom. Well, that just makes it
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: horribly wrong now.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: But then whenever Dad's killed, it's like, I thought it
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: was a game.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Oops, I forgot to add Dad to the list.
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: No, no, no.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: And finally, Jesus shows up. Sorry, a guy in a
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: creepy-ass Jesus mask who looms over him, and he is
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: instantly rapturous. Well, he had a hold on it.
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: He had the stigmata.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: That's the best.
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: Yeah, and he's like, look, look, it's his blood. And
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: it's like, dude. That's how you know it's real Jesus.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, God. Real Jesus really bleeds.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: It's in the Bible.
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: Well, that's what I don't understand is he has no
• 40:32
  Speaker 11: respect for God or Jesus, but he instantly starts praying.
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: And he instantly believes in, you know, Jesus is going
• 40:38
  Speaker 11: to help him. Wait, this whole movie, you want to be,
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: I was going to watch out for God and make
• 40:42
  Speaker 11: sure he didn't show up. Now all of a sudden you, yeah,
• 40:46
  Speaker 11: it doesn't.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Isn't that how most people operate? That's probably modern. I
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: don't want religion until it can help me.
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: I think the problem is we've probably discussed this film
• 40:56
  Speaker 11: more than the writers did.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 40:58
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, this is a much more
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: intensive meeting than they ever had when they were originally
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: conceiving of this plot.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Well we got an island and we.
• 41:07
  Speaker 12: Have this guy well I was going to say what
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: I think we'll figure it out once we start shooting
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: it'll all.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Come together in the editing too the point is we
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: found this costume at a yarn bar.
• 41:19
  Speaker 12: Look how creepy this mask is let's make a movie
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: this doesn't make.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Sense well it'll come out in the editing but yeah
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: this film though again I just want to there's the
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: goosebumps cartoony nature of it I will say one disappointment
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: That actually does stick out for me. Like, cause again,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: like after the process of like blacking out all the,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: all the terrible stuff that you have to kind of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: ignore to enjoy the film, the fact that in the end,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the villain kind of wins and they go for that creepy, Oh,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: we're all going to die anyway. There's no way to
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: escape him sort of thing that actually kind of bummed
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: me out. Cause by the end, when, like she's dressed
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: up as a chicken and he's dressed up as like
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: a frog and they're going to like infiltrate the, the,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: the Halloween party in the castle to go save the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: mom from the cereal. Like at that point I was like, okay,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: this is like a cartoon show. Like, you know, and,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: and I was totally ready for like a heroic ending
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: of some kind. I felt like I actually did feel
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: a little robbed.
• 42:16
  Speaker 12: No, that's the whole tone of the movie.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And that's what closure is.
• 42:20
  Speaker 12: So like, it's so uneven because you'll go into it
• 42:23
  Speaker 12: and I swear, like, Before he starts dragging the body out,
• 42:27
  Speaker 12: I'm like, it feels like a made-for-ABC family movie. Like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: it feels exactly like it's made for TV, fun.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: With incest. Not even as creepy as Goosebumps.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: ABC, yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: ABC family.
• 42:41
  Speaker 12: It seems very PC, happy little town kind of bullshit.
• 42:45
  Speaker 12: And then he starts dragging the dead body out. And
• 42:48
  Speaker 12: then the sister starts, you know, like... Then they throw in, like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: random nudity and, like, all the other weird stuff along
• 42:55
  Speaker 12: the way.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, hanging the old lady. Hanging the old lady.
• 42:58
  Speaker 8: Killing the cat.
• 42:59
  Speaker 9: Killing the cat.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: Massively.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: That's the one I had a problem with, of course.
• 43:03
  Speaker 17: I'm just really glad Lucy wasn't here for this episode.
• 43:06
  Speaker 17: She would have been... She would have.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Loved the cat scene. Oh, and then they ask him
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: to pose, and he's all like... That was kind of funny.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: That was a moment where I was like, okay, I'm
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: starting to like this guy.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: And that was product placement, too, because the little girl
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: was dressed as Wendy from Wendy's. I'm pretty sure there
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: was nothing of actual product placement.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: There would have nothing to do with it. But that's
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 12: It's got that weird, like, made for ABC family, but
• 43:36
  Speaker 12: they didn't check it at the censors.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: So it's like they.
• 43:38
  Speaker 12: Just put in whatever the hell they wanted and then
• 43:41
  Speaker 12: let it go. And I'm just like, this tone is
• 43:43
  Speaker 12: so uneven. So I actually kind of like that ending,
• 43:46
  Speaker 12: but it doesn't match the movie.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Like, you're right.
• 43:48
  Speaker 12: Like, that middle part, which I think that castle thing
• 43:51
  Speaker 12: is where, like, if it goes off the rails more
• 43:53
  Speaker 12: than it did from the beginning, that's where it all
• 43:56
  Speaker 12: goes wrong.
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: Oh, the transvestite... car parkers or whatever.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Who somehow seemed so appropriate in that film.
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: I was like, these guys are good.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Why aren't they in the movie more?
• 44:07
  Speaker 8: My favorite part about that is.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: When Alex or whatever, the boyfriend is going through the
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: party and there's one girl he bumps into and she's like,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: stop it, asshole. Watch it, asshole. And I was like, oh,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: she had a speaking part. Must be the producer's daughter.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But no, yeah, actually, I was watching. I was like, yeah, man,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: the trends. the transvestite valets at a big, at a
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: big fancy party where there are a bunch of murders
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: about to take place. Like that sounds like a movie.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I kind of want to see like there were little
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: bits and pieces in there.
• 44:43
  Speaker 17: That's the thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: Like to me, it has a piece of it that
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: I really like. And that's what I wish they would
• 44:53
  Speaker 12: have gone with.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: And they are way the hell off in left field.
• 44:57
  Speaker 12: But yeah, I like that 11 minutes in when he's
• 45:00
  Speaker 12: dragging the body out, I'm like, okay, if this is
• 45:01
  Speaker 12: where we're going, this has promise. I like the idea
• 45:05
  Speaker 12: of them working in, how much can you get away
• 45:08
  Speaker 12: with on Halloween? I mean, everybody's heard the urban legend of,
• 45:12
  Speaker 12: and then their neighbor hung himself, and they didn't know
• 45:14
  Speaker 12: it all day because they thought it was a fake dummy.
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: Everybody's got those weird stories in their neighborhood. I know
• 45:21
  Speaker 12: someone who tells it, and it happened across the street.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Who the hell knows? Everybody has those weird stories. What's
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: the weird story in your neighborhood?
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: They hung themselves across the street and nobody knew it
• 45:30
  Speaker 12: because it was Halloween it's my sister's neighborhood and a
• 45:36
  Speaker 12: guy across the street hung himself dear me But again,
• 45:39
  Speaker 12: he did kill himself. I don't know what the real
• 45:41
  Speaker 12: story is. That's the way it is told now because
• 45:43
  Speaker 12: it's urban legend.
• 45:44
  Speaker 8: At least if you're going to kill yourself, make yourself
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: an urban legend.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. That's always been my philosophy.
• 45:48
  Speaker 13: Tears in the throat.
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: But that, I think, would have been interesting if you
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: get to that point of him just going from house
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: to house and doing horrible things. Because we don't even
• 46:01
  Speaker 12: get like the cop end of it like later you
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: kind of hear sirens go by like we almost need
• 46:05
  Speaker 12: like that weird Let people out of.
• 46:07
  Speaker 10: Prison is that what that little squad was I Because
• 46:13
  Speaker 10: it showed those two or three guys running around doing stuff.
• 46:16
  Speaker 12: And I was like, are they with him?
• 46:20
  Speaker 17: Like he set the police station on fire. And that's
• 46:22
  Speaker 17: how you know it was the arsonist.
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: That was the lamest anarchy I've ever seen. Five guys
• 46:28
  Speaker 11: in masks running around.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: There's only five.
• 46:31
  Speaker 17: Cops in the town and three of them are dead.
• 46:33
  Speaker 13: If it's a small town thing, you think you'd get
• 46:35
  Speaker 13: a bunch of them behind. The idea, because that's what
• 46:38
  Speaker 13: I always love on the old William Shatner Kingdom of
• 46:40
  Speaker 13: the Spiders. There's that whole scene where it's like, yeah,
• 46:44
  Speaker 13: when they back out and you see the view from
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: the top of the cherry picker, you can see that
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: it's like mass pandemonium confined to like.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Half a block.
• 46:53
  Speaker 13: But when you're in the thick of it, you can
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: tell that basically they got everyone in this desert town,
• 47:00
  Speaker 13: even though it was only like 200 people and they
• 47:02
  Speaker 13: could fit in a really confined area. It's like they
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: got the whole town and they all put the fake
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: spiders on them. But there's no love in that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I think that idea has potential. I think we've
• 47:13
  Speaker 12: already kind of had somebody do that and do a
• 47:16
  Speaker 12: massively better job because to me that's kind of what
• 47:18
  Speaker 12: they're playing with in Trick or Treat.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: This is a movie that's only three years later and
• 47:24
  Speaker 9: it's such an incredible film.
• 47:27
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's so well put together and you see that
• 47:30
  Speaker 12: whole opening with the little masked character. That's exactly what
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: they're doing there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: And Trick or Treat was awesome.
• 47:37
  Speaker 13: We were talking about it earlier about how it is
• 47:39
  Speaker 13: like The best film for capturing just the essence and
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: atmosphere of Halloween night.
• 47:44
  Speaker 9: That out-of-control strangeness of the evening.
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: Or all the.
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: Urban legends and what we were talking about on the
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: last episode with why you should check your candy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 10: All that stuff. They just worked it in so perfectly
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: into that.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that movie is also interesting to put against this
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: one because it does so many things that the film
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to pull off. It manages to go
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: into all these realms of excess. And it manages to
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: subvert itself constantly and keep you guessing. And yet at
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: no point do you ever really feel like that film
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: betrays itself or cheats or goes off the rails.
• 48:21
  Speaker 12: And is massively complicated and loops back around on itself.
• 48:24
  Speaker 12: Where this one's streamlined and they still can't even get it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 11: And just basic trick-or-treat is so much better with lighting
• 48:32
  Speaker 11: than this was. I mean, I appreciate how... clear everything
• 48:36
  Speaker 11: is in this, but it's, it's just, well.
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: It's like it was shot by a television crew.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: It rides that line.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: Very atmospheric movie.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: We've, we've, we've, uh, we've seen films that are, that
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: are terribly shot. Yeah. And look amateurish. And we've seen
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: films that are really professional. It's like, This, to me,
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: was actually almost the most perfect example of right dead
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: center in the middle. Like, every shot was well lit.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: It's competently made, but not well made. Well, that's the thing. Like,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: you had everyone was well lit. You saw all their faces.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Their eyes were in the right places. You had some
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: decent angled shots that weren't, like, pointless. Like, you know,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: in some old B-movies where you suddenly veer out into
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: the woods and you're seeing them from a distance. But
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: uh but at the same time yeah there was no
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: dramatic shadow work there was no interestingly framed shots like
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: pretty much the only interesting things to see were well
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: was that guy in his costume you.
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: Know i mean it was very much tv like it
• 49:32
  Speaker 12: feels like a just slapped together tv show They don't
• 49:36
  Speaker 12: do any interesting angles.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: They don't do camera work.
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: They just get them lit and put it in there.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting in that respect, though. I kept saying that. I
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: was like, well, I can't fault the camera work. But
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I can't say what it's missing that would make it great.
• 49:50
  Speaker 12: I think it would be interesting to do one like that.
• 49:53
  Speaker 12: To be like, everything's in the light of day. Everything
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: is out in the open and he's getting away with it. Again,
• 49:58
  Speaker 12: I think there's a way to make that interesting.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: They don't do it. But I think it's an interesting concept.
• 50:03
  Speaker 12: I liked.
• 50:05
  Speaker 11: Like when they walked out, because I was like, as
• 50:07
  Speaker 11: they were in the store buying the stuff, and they
• 50:09
  Speaker 11: weren't buying it, you know, I was like, how's he
• 50:11
  Speaker 11: going to pay for this? He's clearly not.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Going to pay.
• 50:13
  Speaker 19: He's safe.
• 50:14
  Speaker 8: He just walked out, and I was like, I'm really
• 50:16
  Speaker 8: liking this part.
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: He doesn't give a shit, and the guy chases, because
• 50:20
  Speaker 8: that's how it would be. The clerk would be like.
• 50:22
  Speaker 10: Hey, hey, hey.
• 50:23
  Speaker 12: Hey, like there is a minute of, you're not just
• 50:26
  Speaker 12: walking out, right? Like, you would sit there and be like,
• 50:29
  Speaker 12: guess I'm going to go chase this guy down?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that scene was actually really realistic. Yeah. Like, you
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: see him like, follow for a second like with a
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: quizzical look on his face like oh you do yeah
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: like um.
• 50:41
  Speaker 11: And you could get away with that probably just go
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: in take the stuff walk out and most times they're
• 50:47
  Speaker 11: not going to be able to even touch.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: You well and and and you know you get the
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: impression that.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Let's try it tonight you get.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: The impression the clerk might try to razzle him a
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: bit you know or something but then of course he's
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: got the kitchen knife and it's all done But, yeah, no,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: and that's immediately when it goes off and you sort
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: of see how ridiculous this character has become. Like, when
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: he starts, like, pushing the kid around in the cart,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: knocking over, like, a woman with a baby character.
• 51:11
  Speaker 8: A pregnant woman.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: A pregnant woman.
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: Blind guy, 50 points.
• 51:13
  Speaker 17: Like, why are all these, like, crippled or, like.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Because they're worth more points.
• 51:21
  Speaker 17: I was going to say, why is this random assortment
• 51:24
  Speaker 17: of people in this parking lot at once?
• 51:26
  Speaker 12: Because you get the most points.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: Have you ever been to a Walmart parking lot? Old
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: people and babies is the way to go in depth race, man.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: There is a couple things I didn't really understand.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, up front, the very beginning.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: The hot daughter.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Is coming home from college for Halloween. Do colleges have
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Halloween breaks?
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: No.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: No.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Sure they do.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Because at first I was like, well, maybe she just
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: is taking some time off to come because she said
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: that her little brother really likes Halloween. But her boyfriend
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: is coming too because he had Halloween off too. So
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: it's like the whole college.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Has a Halloween break.
• 52:10
  Speaker 17: There's a fall break usually around Halloween.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: Especially around Thanksgiving.
• 52:13
  Speaker 12: They didn't say how far away. I thought maybe they
• 52:15
  Speaker 12: just left for the weekend.
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: I would have... If I were him... and that were her,
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: I'd have said, yeah, sure, I'm going to go home
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: with you.
• 52:24
  Speaker 12: Because a few minutes in, I'm like, okay, they do
• 52:26
  Speaker 12: another shot of Alex, a really well-lit shot of Alex.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, dude, no. This is not happening.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: In the real world, she is so far out of
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: your league.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: But they made the whole point about he's from that island,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: and somehow they've never met on the island.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: There's 12 people on the island.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: But he.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: But he has got to come home because it's break
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: and he can't stay at school and he doesn't want
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: to stay at his father's house.
• 52:51
  Speaker 8: That's a story.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I can't do that either. And some of those great
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: lines of dialogue. Oh, so you're going to dress up
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: like Satan for my little brother? He says, well... I
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: lived with Satan for years. Oh, my God.
• 53:07
  Speaker 10: The fact that that's his costume, that he takes it
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: that far to go and try to dress up like
• 53:10
  Speaker 10: his dad.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And then walk around.
• 53:12
  Speaker 12: Telling people he's Satan. I'm like, nobody gets this reference
• 53:15
  Speaker 12: but you, genius.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Settle down.
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: But he's a method actor.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: You are a terrible actor. But she keeps saying he's
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: such a good actor. But method acting is what killed
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: everyone in it because she doesn't become a slut until
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: she puts on the costume. It's like, I'm embodying the character.
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: With that fantastic accent. She starts talking.
• 53:31
  Speaker 8: She pushes up her boobs.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: That's bizarre.
• 53:33
  Speaker 12: Actually, okay, before she starts getting super sexual in the mirror, that, like,
• 53:39
  Speaker 12: 30 seconds beforehand where she just silently stares at herself
• 53:44
  Speaker 12: was one of the most confusing things.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Like, her look at.
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: Herself in the mirror is so... I swear I haven't
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: seen one like that. Like a shot like that outside
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: of a body switching.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: The costume was giving power.
• 53:57
  Speaker 12: Like she was looking like she didn't recognize who the person.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Was in the mirror. It was like she's never seen
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: her midriff before. I was just like, what the hell
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: is going on here? I don't know.
• 54:09
  Speaker 17: I was really confused by her Scottish Cockney accent.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, right.
• 54:12
  Speaker 17: I was like, is that how people talk at Renaissance fairs?
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: Because I don't think so.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: She's just an actress.
• 54:18
  Speaker 12: You won't understand unless you're really a good actress like
• 54:21
  Speaker 12: her and Alex.
• 54:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: Either that was because I kind of gave them points thinking, oh, okay,
• 54:29
  Speaker 11: she's a bad actress at acting school. And she thinks
• 54:32
  Speaker 11: she's good. And so the actress is acting like a
• 54:36
  Speaker 11: bad act. You know, that's what I was hoping.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: So maybe she is a great actress. She's just really
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: good at playing a bad act.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: An actress playing someone who's bad. That's what I'm giving
• 54:46
  Speaker 11: them credit for, but it's not really what's there.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, something else I really didn't follow.
• 54:53
  Speaker 20: One of the... emotional hearts of the film was, of course,
• 54:58
  Speaker 20: the boyfriend, Alex, and his antagonistic relationship with his father,
• 55:01
  Speaker 20: who beats him and strikes him.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: You get the scene where Alex is convinced that his
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: dad is somehow in the Satan outfit, and it must
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: be his dad. He confronts him on the sidewalk. He
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: points a gun to him. Satan takes the gun from him,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: shoots his own hand, and gives it back to Alex.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Alex is somehow convinced that Satan.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: Who he thinks is his father, his father shooting himself
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: in the hand is somehow an insult to Alex.
• 55:31
  Speaker 8: I did not follow that.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: That's how you know that boy has issues.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: But how does that, can anyone explain?
• 55:37
  Speaker 8: I think it's the, you can't even kill me. I
• 55:40
  Speaker 8: can injure myself.
• 55:41
  Speaker 12: You can't do a goddamn thing because you're my loser
• 55:44
  Speaker 12: ass son.
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: If my dad had done it, I'd have been like,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, come back and explain this to me.
• 55:51
  Speaker 18: Why should I feel angsty about this?
• 55:58
  Speaker 8: They had to get to the stigmatism.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: And show that he's a crazy person. They do that
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: stuff to themselves all the time.
• 56:06
  Speaker 13: How is he going to hold his candy after that?
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: They bring up that point.
• 56:10
  Speaker 12: I think online they listed that in the fight with Alex,
• 56:12
  Speaker 12: his hand is not hurt at all.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: And then later he's like.
• 56:15
  Speaker 12: Oh, look, I injured it. Yeah, it's like when he
• 56:18
  Speaker 12: beats the hell out of Alex later, it's like he
• 56:21
  Speaker 12: seems to be fine.
• 56:22
  Speaker 8: He's safe.
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: He's Satan, I suppose. Well, it's part of his weird
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: supervillain powers. It's like, you know, he can shoot himself
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: in the hand without making a sound. He can, you know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, his best superpower? He can somehow sniff panties through
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: that mask.
• 56:37
  Speaker 17: And also drink wine.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no. You just pour it on your face.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: It wasn't just that he was sniffing panties. It was
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: that he starts going down on her, and she's like.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: like going, oh, oh, and like, you know, rolling her
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: eyes up in her head and stuff. And it's like, dude,
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: guy's just rubbing his latex mask like over your belly button.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He's in character. That is the most sexual contact that
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: is going on right now.
• 56:59
  Speaker 12: He just barely drops out of frame so you can
• 57:00
  Speaker 12: still see his head. I'm like, I think he's just
• 57:02
  Speaker 12: licking your midriff.
• 57:03
  Speaker 15: Right.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: He's not really. He is rubbing his latex mask against
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: your belly button. And she's like, oh dear, this is
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: the most sexual contact I've ever had in my life.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: It probably is.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: That whole island.
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: That's the cinematic version.
• 57:15
  Speaker 21: That it's not even in the right place i'm in
• 57:18
  Speaker 21: the vicinity it's close enough whatever i think that's one
• 57:21
  Speaker 21: of the reasons why i was ultimately disappointed that it
• 57:24
  Speaker 21: was actually some guy wearing a mask and somehow the
• 57:26
  Speaker 21: mask wasn't doing that because obviously you know he could
• 57:32
  Speaker 21: sniff panties through through the mask he could drink alcohol it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 12: Would have been more interesting had they just that would
• 57:38
  Speaker 12: have been really how satan looks.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: And then you know you don't really see any like
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: eye holes but they're at this huge party and across
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: the room you know satan waves at the hot girl
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: points down to her shoes he can see across the
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: room through all these people through his mask that she's
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: wearing high heels and he points it out to her.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah wearing high heels after she had been running to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: the party And somehow we're expected to also believe that, oh,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: by the way, I recognize the shoes that you were
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: wearing with your slut dress earlier. Chickens don't wear high heels. What,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: are you crazy?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: Back when I was wearing my Darth Vader mask when
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: I was seven, I couldn't see crap. And that had
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: eye holes cut in it. And he could see crap.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: And oddly enough, also wearing high heels.
• 58:20
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: I couldn't really smell panties either through that dress.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Man, did you try. Did you, super hot sister? That's inappropriate.
• 58:29
  Speaker 17: Wow.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: Right there.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Nope, I'm sending that to your sister. Anyway, so... I'm
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: going to marry her someday. Special message to you from Ben. Mom,
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: is Satan real?
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, hold on.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yay! I have to put my computer headset on hold. Yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the headset.
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: That was like she works at a call center or something.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: That wasn't even Bluetooth. That was just some kind of.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: It was like green. And he asks something like, hey,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: what's this or something? She's like, play your game. Mind
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: your business. She's sitting there talking on the phone right
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: next to the kid. Great parenting.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 8: The mom that says, I'm so high right now, right
• 59:12
  Speaker 8: in front of her kid.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: That's fine parenting right there.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: I just wonder how the video game portrayed hell. Because
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: he was all excited.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Is hell real?
• 59:21
  Speaker 7: It is?
• 59:21
  Speaker 8: Yay!
• 59:23
  Speaker 12: Yay, the whole world's kind of like a knockoff paperboy.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: All right!
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: The odd thing is, the kid.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Acknowledged that God was real and God was more powerful
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: than Satan because he actually asked Satan, are you hiding
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: from God? So the boy knows that God is more
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: powerful than Satan and yet he wants to be friends
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: with Satan.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: He's on the losing team. What the hell?
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: And not the more powerful thing.
• 59:48
  Speaker 17: See, what we're failing to realize is that this was
• 59:51
  Speaker 17: a beautiful underdog story.
• 59:52
  Speaker 12: He's really awesome.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: God was the bully and Satan's the hero.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: It's just like the kids on the bike bullying the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: little kid.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: That's how Satan tells the story. Well, God thought that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: just because he made me that he could boss me
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: around and tell me what to do. But you know what?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I don't believe in just following orders. I believe in
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: being free.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 12: I did hear him say all that when he nodded
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 12: that one time. It was a very elaborate thing that
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 12: I heard.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: But again, and that's part of what's terrible about that
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: ending is because he's like subverting it by saying like, oh,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: he doesn't say anything because he doesn't want Satan to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: hear him. It's like, what? By the way, I think
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: we knocked out Dave Posh.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 9: You're still just talking about that movie. I can't believe
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 9: you can keep talking about it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Maybe this is a movie podcast. Believe it or not,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: we picked this random terrible movie to watch and damn it,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: we're going to.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: like i said it's one that brian always picks these
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 11: movies where it's like hey it's on netflix and afterwards
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 11: we're like.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 12: Why you won't track down and watch the movies on
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 12: your own because if you kind of guess.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: More than a day to find it.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 10: On a somewhere like a tested well I was kind
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 10: of like, look at some background on it. What's the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 10: public opinion of this?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: I've heard of it well before this.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 10: Film festivals loved it, and everyone was waiting for an
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 10: official release.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: That's depressing.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: That's just depressing.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 10: Rotten Tomatoes has it in the 60s or 70s, doesn't it?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 10: It's not low.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Rotten Tomatoes has it.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 9: And people seem to be making a lot of excuses, saying, well,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: you know, it's satire. And I'm like, no, no, it's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: not clever enough to be said.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 12: I mean, that was half the reason. I was like,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 12: I do want to see it to clear up what
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 12: it is and if it is really worth what everybody says. So, yeah,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 12: that was half the reason. I'm like, all right, we
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 12: can watch it. I don't know what the hell it's
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 12: going to be.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: Now we know. Our review is in part a detailed
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: exposition of why you shouldn't be watching this film.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, with any luck, it should last as long as
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: the film itself.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: It's more of a support group.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: You should have already watched it. I told them that
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: at the beginning. Fair enough, yeah. But I don't know.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: I think you can go ahead and watch it, but
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 12: watch it about the length of a Goosebumps episode, and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 12: you're fine because it's amusing at that point. It's that
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 12: halfway point. It becomes painful for me. It's not fun
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 12: after the midway.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 13: And that's actually the whole support group thing. I think
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 13: had we watched this as a group, we would have
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 13: found it entertaining. Like watching the room as a group.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 13: The room is unwatchable by yourself.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 13: It's like so many of the movies that they do
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 13: on Mystery Science Theater. Those movies, if you watched it
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: without the comics, they're unwatchable. It's like, it's the shared
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 13: misery thing that I think helps. And I really feel
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 13: like this thing, you know, Most of the watching I
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 13: ended up enjoying and doing was when Dave showed up
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: and we're both kind of laughing at stuff.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's just not bad enough for me to enjoy.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: If you fail on that level, you failed. Well, that's a.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 12: It's not that level of bad is the problem. It's
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 12: still just too middle of the road.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: So mediocre.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 10: Yeah, like when you don't tell me it's supposed to
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 10: be bad.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: They kind of are.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: I want.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: I tried and I failed miserably.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I like that. I love epic bad.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 12: I mean, if you can deliver that, I'm just like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 12: in awe of how bad you missed the mark.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: This doesn't really ever do that. There's a kind of
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: a weird mystique that's come up around B-movies about how
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: bad they are and how entertainingly bad they are. Something
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: people tend to forget is that the vast majority of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: B-movies are B-movies because they are just bad. They're just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: lame and they take too long. There's needless exposition. There's
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: needless dialogue. There's needless this, that, and the other. We
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: could have cut this film down to about 30 minutes,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: and we wouldn't have missed anything crucial, and we actually
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: probably would have crafted a much more entertaining episode of Goosebumps.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: But really, this movie, so much of it, I think,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: is just it's not horrifyingly, hilariously awful. It's just meh. Like,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: what's happening next? Every once in a while.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: The moment when he goes up to his room with
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 12: Satan and they're playing with action figures.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I was pretty entertained with that. He's just kind of pew, pew,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: you know, just playing with action figures.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: But that's the other thing, too, is, like, whenever you have, like,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: some B-movie that's bad, if you can, I feel like
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 13: some of those you can watch it and you can
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 13: tell that the crew gave it their all for what
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 13: it's worth. It's like they knew going in, it's like,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 13: This is a shitty movie. But you know what?
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 8: We're having fun.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 13: And you can watch and you can tell everybody's having
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 13: a lot of fun. I didn't feel like I was
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 13: getting that vibe from anyone on here. It's like everyone's
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 13: just showing up. It's like, I'm going into work for Wendy's.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: I get off at 10. I think the guy wearing
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 13: the mask was having a good time.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: He's like the only one.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 13: But everybody else felt like it was just, go in,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 13: do my shift, leave. That's the vibe I got from
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 13: what I watched.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 12: To put it in perspective of using the reference that
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 12: you made earlier... looking back at this director and writer's career,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: there's one noticeable one that jumps out. His second, actually
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 12: the first feature that he did, he did a short,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 12: his second one was Squirm.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: Which was a mystery science theater. And he did Blue Sunshine,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: didn't he? Yeah, he did Blue Sunshine.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 13: And Blue Sunshine has some fun elements though. It kind of,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 13: loses itself in the final act but still.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 12: But squirm is pretty epic bad it's it's but still
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 12: it's at least got it's like again i think maybe
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 12: because it's dated more that it feels a little more
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 12: silly that you can kind of laugh at it where
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 12: this one just feels again.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 10: It feels like more self-dated you can't even really give
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 10: them that excuse.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: When you kind of I was talking about Squirm.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 12: Squirm is almost enjoyable because of a cheesy factor.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: How old is Squirm?
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: It's from 76. Oh, wow.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 13: But see, you watch Squirm, and you watch Blue Sunshine,
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 13: and then you watch this. This doesn't sync up at all.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 13: This feels like a complete regression compared to those. And
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 13: those aren't those great of films. But it's like he
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 13: just went a huge step back. It's like watching it,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 13: and you feel like it's his first directorial effort. It's like, no,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 13: the guy's been making... movies for you know 20 or
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 13: 30 years.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 12: After blue sunshine he starts doing a lot of tv
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 12: work and you see like i think he just got
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 12: into the watered down tv world and just went all
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 12: right whatever but like somehow was still okay with writing
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 12: this horribly violent scene and working in nudity and language but.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Yet keeping it all on this.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 12: Bad tv like medium that just that's all it feels
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 12: like it's just a bad episode of a tv.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 17: Show wow he did he did till death do us
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 17: part that's interesting Yeah. I never saw that, but I
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 17: always meant to.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Seems like an odd choice.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 12: I don't know.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, that's the thing.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 12: Like, I can watch it for that first half and
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 12: at least laugh at it, and it's amusing, but by
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 12: the time he gets to that party, it just drags on. Like,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 12: there's no need for that party nonsense. The Jesus switcheroo
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 12: does nothing for me.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: It's just annoying. I was laughing at the Jesus switcheroo.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 8: And that's the whole thing, too, is within the context
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: of the film.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 13: The cliche of tricking the main characters into killing someone
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 13: that is, like, on their own team. I mean, that's
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 13: been done in horror films before.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: And can be done well. But essentially, they did it, like,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: twice in this. And that's the whole thing.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 13: It's like, after you've done it once, you can't get
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 13: the shock of doing it again.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Well, not only do they do it twice, but technically
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: they do a switcheroo thing, like, three or four times
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: because he dresses up. as he dresses the guy up
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: as him, you know, so that he gets shot by
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: his own son. then he dresses the son up as
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: him so that he gets beat to death by his
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: own girlfriend so those are the main two but then
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: he himself dresses up as Jesus once and then he
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: dresses up as a cop it's like there's.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 18: A lot of so many times why would you let
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 18: someone a cop in a mask into your house after
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 18: that's happened.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 12: Again like the kid was disturbed that makes as much
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 12: sense as why would you ring the doorbell in your
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 12: own house that.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: You just walked out the door spray paint he's like 666.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 10: There was so many scenes in the house We're like
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 10: you just walk out the front door of your own
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 10: house and it wasn't enough like they would send one
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 10: else Like why can't you all walk out the front
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 10: door right? Like sending people to go scout for you.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: That was another there's another big plot holes that there
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: were I almost felt like it was a joke that
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: he kept walking to the door and locking.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 22: It just just turning the bolt walking back and then
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 22: almost immediately after the next scene like the kid would
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 22: run up and be like oh look trick-or-treaters and.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Like unlock the door and like but no one would
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: leave like it was like what are you doing why
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: are you locking this door it locks from the inside
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: you're not keeping anyone in um but no yeah yeah
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: so there's that scene.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 17: But i was just it's not any more difficult than
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 17: turning the knob.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah um they're a special fan but with that
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: said again there are a few scenes like there's some
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: scenes that are creepy because they just kind of go
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: on a little bit long like again the sort of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: quasi groping scene between him and the girl they're at
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: least uncomfortable that one made me uncomfortable the knocking over
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: a pregnant lady in a shopping cart like that's uncomfortable
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: but then there were a couple scenes that i felt
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: were actually i'm again i'm gonna step out on a
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: limb and say were genuinely pretty awesome like for instance
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: the moment where the daughter first begins to realize holy
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: shit yeah like and you actually see this in the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: actress's face of like but because holy shit he's not
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: the fact that it was because of the shoes yeah
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: it's like It's like, holy shit, it's not Alex. Holy shit,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: he kind of went down on me in his mask.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: And then, holy shit, where's my little brother? I'm going
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: to call him.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 17: Again.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: There's that moment of her calling out to him in
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the empty house. There's so much potential. Alex has never
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: satisfied me.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 12: Holy shit, that was my midriff, and that felt really.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Who knows what will happen to Nathan. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: I might just hook up with him. By the way,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: I want to mention at this point, Dave... Dave Posh
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: has just stepped out.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: He's had enough.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: He checked out.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: I would assume he's never coming back, but he did
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: leave his record.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 12: So he's probably going to at least check back in
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 12: before he escapes.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: I'll keep it in my office for him. He's just like, yeah,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I need to use the bathroom.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: He's just gaping like we all wanted to.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 8: One thing that I thought was missing is... We introduced.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 18: And then.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: There's just been one thing.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: One change. One thing that could have made this film better.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: Is they introduced the tool of the telephone, the cell phone,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 11: at the very beginning of the movie. As we have this.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: The tool that is known as the telephone.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 11: And no one else has a cell phone at any
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 11: other point in the movie.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Because for everyone else, it's 1993.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 8: It's like they go back in time when they get
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 8: on this island and they're never.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe it was just a car phone, not a cell phone.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: All right, guys. Can I suggest something? I would love...
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Based around that, the one thing that is missing. I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: would love it if we could go around and say
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: one thing that we wish this film had done. It
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter if it's something that would have pushed it
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: to make it a worse film or a better film,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: but I would love to hear from everybody. What's the
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: one thing that you wish that this film had gone
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: ahead and done?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 10: Killed the kid.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Ooh, that's a good one.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: That's a good one.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Kill the kid.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 10: I think I wanted the kid to die in it.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 11: Or, no, the kid completely snaps and pulls a Tommy.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 11: Uh you know that he is now let's let's start
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 11: out a whole franchise the kid is now going to
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 11: be satan's little helper and he just goes off.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 12: And i've got it how it could have been so
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 12: much worse because i would have hated it a lot
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 12: more if by the end we realized there is no
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 12: satan that kid was just crazy and killed his whole
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 12: family it's all a figment of his imagination which.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 22: I'm surprised yeah and and especially with all the things
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 22: that would really not make sense like you know satan
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 22: throwing people through windows and stuff like that like that
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 22: would be awesome if it turns out that was all
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 22: this kid he's he's.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Like damien he's like all supernatural.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: And shit.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 12: Okay does anyone know everybody's coming up i'm still thinking.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, at the very end when it fades to black,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: It could have started over again. They could have just said, sorry.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: It like fades to black.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: And the camera would come back and you realize that
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: actually what you've been watching is a kid playing a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: video game of the movie. It was like the whole
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: thing was a video game.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 18: Like an Inception kind of thing.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: With really good graphics. And that would explain why it
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: looked so mediocre in the middle of the road. That's
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: why the lighting was just... you know, it was okay.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: 2004 video technology.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, the angles were just first-person kind of.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 17: I mean, that's about as elaborate. I mean, I'd say
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 17: it's less elaborate than Grand Theft Auto 5, so I mean,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 17: the plot is much thinner than that.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 9: So this is wishing something the movie would have done something?
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: One single thing. This is incredibly.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 9: You know, just a tiny little technical matter, but You
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 9: know that helicopter that you don't see?
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: There was a spotlight.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 9: You saw a spotlight, which was like somebody's high power. But,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 9: you know, they managed to slap a helicopter sound over
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 9: the soundtrack. And they managed to have a guy with
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 9: a big flashlight. Couldn't you have just pointed the camera
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 9: up at some point and just caught a helicopter flying by?
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 8: Because, you know, they're flying by all the time.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 9: Everywhere I've ever lived, there's always choppers in the sky.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 9: Couldn't you have just snuck a shot or grabbed a
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 9: stock shot?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 8: In that Bigfoot movie, they show a helicopter for at
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 8: least 20 minutes.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: And I was going to say, you've got, like, the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: copter is, like, your basic stock footage. There is a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: night copter somewhere.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 9: They couldn't stir themselves to do that.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 12: I can just picture the director sitting there on the
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 12: porch and a helicopter goes by and he just screams out, Production!
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: But they didn't even do it.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 9: It's just like, how are we going to get past this?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 9: I know we'll just use a flashlight.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: I've got a flashlight.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: Was there even any wind? I mean, usually you can
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: do something.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 9: It was just the kid on the radio. Like the
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 9: kid's like.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 10: In the center.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: Helicopter. Come in helicopter. Waving his hand. I'm going to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: save him.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: And they still have the searchlight on the kid.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 10: He's like dead center of the spotlight.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 9: I just was like, wow, that's ineptitude there.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 12: And why were they looking for that house? Did they
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 12: like call and tell him to go right there where
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 12: the killer is?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 10: One of the last two living cops.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 13: Actually, now that I've thought about it, I know something
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 13: that actually would have kept me like totally engrossed. And
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 13: this is not a lie.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: This is genuine.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 13: If it had been in another language, no subtitles.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: Because I would have.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 13: Just been like, this is so fucking weird now.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't doubt put it in Swahili. That's the thing.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 12: When I heard about this, I assumed it was one
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 12: of those that was probably shot somewhere else.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Because actually, it kind of makes sense when you think
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 13: It's like somebody wrote a script, and then they put
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 13: it in a Google Translate, and it went from English
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 13: to Italian, and.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Then Italian to Greek. I assume they shot it in Romania.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: And then from Greek to Japanese, and then from Japanese
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: to English.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 8: And it's like, shoot.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: And they shot it to be like an American film,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: so it's got that thing. You know when they make
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: quasi-American films in foreign countries, and things just look a
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: little not quite American. It would have had that weird
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: vibe over the whole thing.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: I thought that, though, when I first... What little I.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 12: Knew of it, I thought maybe it was one of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 12: those weird things that was shot somewhere else, and that's
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 12: why it had a cult.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Following, because people... All Americans.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 12: No, sadly, shot in New York and New England.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: This is the guy who made, you know, like, you know,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: Squirm and Blue Science. He's done a lot of television work.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: I see a lot of television work on his resume.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: I want to hear these directors. The regression. Wasn't the
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: director's coffee? That would have made it better.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 12: If I could listen to an hour and a half
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 12: of him explaining himself.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 17: You know, I kind of want to rescind my, like,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 17: thumbs up of this movie because I didn't really you
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 17: know like I went into this movie or I started
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 17: watching this movie and assumed that this was like a
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 17: new director starting out Because it's so low budget. But
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 17: the fact that the dude has been directing for 20
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 17: years kind of ruins it.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: 30 years.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: 70.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: This guy's been making movies longer than I've been making sounds.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 17: Longer than I've been making sounds.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: I so want to throw this guy a bone.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 9: He had to have some kind of weird cred to
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: get Plumber in this.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: And I heard that this... I read somewhere this thing
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: premiered at Tribeca.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it did.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 9: Can you imagine the reception that kind of a film got?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 8: That's it. They don't care. They'll like whatever they see
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: at those.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: So long as it's Tribeca, it's like, oh, my God,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: what a nice satire.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 12: They were making artsy choices at the film.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: Well, they made a bad horror movie to make fun
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: of how bad horror movies are.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 17: I think if you... put something with, like, the right crowd,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 17: they're going to pick out whatever meaning they want from it.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 17: You know, like, I don't... I feel like, you know,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 17: the way the boy was desensitized to violence was somewhat
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 17: of a commentary on, like, video game violence and things
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 17: like that. And, you know, like, the religious aspect.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: Satire is the conventional cinematography. Like I said, there are
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: little bits and pieces that are good.
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  Speaker 9: It's just not brought forth properly.
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  Speaker 17: But I feel like it was so... They didn't have
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  Speaker 17: that much direction. They're just kind of throwing it in there.
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  Speaker 17: Or maybe even it was stumbled upon accidentally.
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  Speaker 10: Maybe it was an improv script. It was the best
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  Speaker 10: in show treatment. It kind of made the scenes last.
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  Speaker 11: Or maybe he was just I mean, you can have
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  Speaker 11: actors that get gigs that.
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  Speaker 8: Are just drunkards. Or, you know what I mean?
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 11: They have the chops. They're just not, they just can't
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  Speaker 11: put their shit together. So people are like, it's a paycheck.
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  Speaker 12: Actually, there was a moment in it where it felt
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 12: like in the middle with the little kid wandering around
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 12: in the basement and Satan telling him stupid things to do,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 12: it felt like a sketch from Kids in the Hall.
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  Speaker 12: And I really expected Bruce to be there going, this
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  Speaker 12: one time, this kid at school?
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  Speaker 2: He killed a bunch of people? but that's okay. Are
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: you God? I mean, I just, I really, it felt
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  Speaker 2: like that for a minute.
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  Speaker 12: And I was like, you know, if you did it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 12: that way, like, this could almost be genius.
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  Speaker 2: Like, if you took the comedy that level... Yeah, I'd
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: watch that, I think, if you could get those guys involved.
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  Speaker 3: I saw it was described on Netflix as a black comedy,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: and I wonder if by them saying that, it's like
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 3: this get-out-of-jail-free.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a black comedy. Yeah, I really feel that way.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: You're supposed to laugh at it. Yeah, I think I've
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: figured out that maybe the thing I wanted to make
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: the film, if anything, would have made the film better
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: for me, is that I kept getting hints of these
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: other weird storylines that I wasn't really getting. There was
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: the arsonist. There were the anarchists. There was the transvestite.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 3: Valets.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: We had the rich dude with the girlfriend who's obviously
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: half his age who he's saying, I know I don't
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: look old enough to have a kid. It's like, yes,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: you do. You're old enough to have four.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: This would explain the ending. They wanted sequels.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm imagining a story Where we constantly segue between these
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: random people on the island and how they're spending their Halloween.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: And in the middle of it is this utterly nonsensical
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: tale of this boy with this superhuman murderer running around
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: causing chaos. That then precipitates and affects everybody else. That's
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: a story I could kind of get into. Because then
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: it's just this weird nonsensical storyline at the heart of
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: these attempts to tell... more real so like an anthology
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: yeah like a trick or treat type thing except with
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: this utterly batshit crazy stupid idea in the middle of
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: it to drive the whole thing but.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 12: What instead we're gonna get is Satan's little helper colon
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 12: Transvestite We're going to get a whole series Of all
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 12: the other We're going to get Rosencrantz and Guildenstern I
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 12: want them sitting around talking about their school loans And
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 12: how they're hoping That they're going to be able to
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 12: find jobs As designers We're never.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: Going to make it on this island We're going to
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: get Satan's.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: Little helper Well maybe this is.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 13: Just like a weird adaptation Of Waiting for Godot And
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 13: we didn't realize it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: Because it was told from everybody else's perspective Well don't
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: you say Waiting for God Satan.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: Is Godot was kind of like that right.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah especially and especially what tipped me off there was
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: when the anarchists are running around and one of the
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: guys in the masks like you know clap satan shoulders
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: and they look each other for like that like like
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: they know each other like hey it's you and i
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: was like oh my god are there more like him
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: just running around doing this and we haven't noticed like
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: you know we've just been following one.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 12: All these other stories are going to come out in
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 12: the spin-off movies that are all happening at the same
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 12: time on this same day in the middle of the chaos.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: So our solution to how to make this movie better
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: is obviously just to make more of it.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 12: To really make people suffer to expand it and its
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 12: dimensions and its scope the.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: One thing that i that i did kind of like
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: about it was the really over the top miming what
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: if the movie had been everybody silent and just my.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: Silent film oh wow it might have won an.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 13: Oscar i think we're on the same wavelength because i
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 13: mean that's the whole thing with me putting it into
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 13: foreign language i'm.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 9: Not gonna know what's going on and then.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 13: It's just like that weird puzzlement like what is happening
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 13: here you think you'd be fine if you just turn
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 13: the sound down I could turn down the sound and
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 13: maybe put on some weird creepy coil.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: Or Apex Twin or something.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Take your 80s theme really slowed down.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 9: Take the existing score.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 13: Moving on up, moving on up.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 12: Well, okay, we should wrap this up.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: We've gone way... Yes, please do. Come on, God. But
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: I did want to say you.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Is it Thanksgiving yet?
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 12: You mentioned this on Facebook, Greg, the fact that they
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 12: give you a promo for the movie in front of
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 12: the movie.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 10: That's so weird.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 6: Oh, right.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 17: That was very strange.
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 10: See, I thought maybe that was Netflix or something. I
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 10: was like, why is he doing this?
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 12: As I watched it, though, I was like, it gives
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 12: you the whole movie. Like, you said we could wrap
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 12: it up in a half hour. In, like, two minutes,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 12: it gives you just enough of the story that you
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 12: kind of know where everything's going. But short of the
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 12: very end, like, you know everything he's going to do
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 12: and the premise of what's going on.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: In two minutes. They used to do that all the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: time on TV in the late 70s. Like, tonight on
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: Battlestar Galactica.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 12: And again, it felt like a promo for a show
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 12: coming up on ABC Family.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 6: True.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: Kind of what it was.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 17: No, it reminded me of those weird movies from the 70s.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 17: You remember that DVD of just like offbeat, terrible?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 13: I like that Ben's like, it reminds me of those
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 13: movies from the 70s. Marla's like, no, it reminds me
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 13: of those.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 8: Movies from the 70s.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: No, I said TV shows.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 17: No, I'm talking about specific movie clips. What was that
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 17: DVD that you had? Like the weird, weird world movies.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, the one that's just like the trailer?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 17: Yeah, that's just trailers.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah, it kind of would fit right in there.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 17: What was that called?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just a collection of really bad.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 17: Yeah, but there's like a name for that company that
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 17: does that.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: What is that?
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 13: It's not something weird thing, no.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I think it is, actually.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: Something weird.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: They do some of those compilations.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: They have a lot of compilations.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 12: It's one of those that's just a compilation of bad movies.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Epically bad trailers for them.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 17: Yeah. The intro reminded me of a something weird trailer.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 17: That's what I was getting at.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 12: It would fit right in there because you'd look at
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 12: it and go, they didn't really make a movie about that, right?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 12: Because many a time I say that watching those, I'm like,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 12: that's not real, right?
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: And then you find out it is and we do
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: a whole.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 11: Episode It is puzzling, the movies that get made and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 11: then the ones that don't. You hear of people, oh,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 11: they were going to do this, or somebody pitches a
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 11: script or something like.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: That, and you're like, that would be great.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 12: And then they make crap. That was my point at
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 12: the beginning. I'm like, they remade a movie of a
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 12: movie they just made last year, and that got greenlit,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 12: and then somebody paid the money to make Satan's Little Helper.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: By the end of the show, I'm like, I give up.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: You can't make a good movie, I guess.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: These are the things people are throwing money at.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Well, maybe when they got the pitch for Satan's Little Helper,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: they thought, oh, they're going to make a movie about
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: the Pee Wee's Big Adventure Biker Gang.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: They kind of have a biker.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: Gang in it, too. The little kids that were riding
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 8: around on the bikes.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: It's a prequel.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: They almost had.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 13: They're still talking about this movie.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 9: They can't stop talking about it.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: It's an obsession.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: The worse the movie is, the more we can talk
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: about it.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: That's usually true, actually.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 9: If it's the worst, there's plenty to talk about, but
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 9: this doesn't qualify as the worst.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 12: It's worse in a different way.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 9: You want to see bad Halloween, you need to see Hack-O-Lantern.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 10: Next Halloween.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: If we can get hold of it. I love Hack-O-Lantern.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 9: It is atrocious.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: We'll start working. There's the teaser for next year, next Halloween.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: You're going to end it on a cliffhanger?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: See, that's how we end. As long as we end it.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: That's going to go for a couple years. No way.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 8: Is it tomorrow yet?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: Almost.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 17: What was the name of that terrible Thanksgiving movie that
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 17: we watched?
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving?
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 17: No, no.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 13: Are you talking about Blood Freak?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: Blood Freak.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: Blood Freak.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: Now see that?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 5: Now that's a film.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 13: That's a classic. And again that goes back to what
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 13: I was saying earlier. You watch it and it's like
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 13: I feel like the lead is really fucking trying to
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 13: make that paper mache turkey head work his advantage.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: He's trying.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 12: That one they were trying to make an awesome movie
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 12: in their mind.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: They were. Where this I don't ever get that.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 12: I feel like this is mediocre even to the people
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 12: that clock in.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Like you said. Nobody cares about this.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 11: Well that's the sad part about it is that you
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 11: can tell it's people it's competently made you can.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 13: Tell they're going through the motions yeah.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 12: There's no they all know their job and they're doing
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 12: their job except the writer and the actors that have
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 12: never worked and never work again yeah.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: It's happy halloween happy halloween.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: I think we should escape this movie.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next week.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: Same geek time, same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 14: Pack up your sins and go to the devil in Hades.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 14: You'll meet the finest of gentlemen and the finest of ladies.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 14: They'd rather be down below than up above. Hades is
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 14: full of thousands of Joneses and Browns, O'Hooley and Coens
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 14: and Grady's You'll hear a heavenly tune that went to
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 14: the devil Because the jazz bands They started picking it
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 14: Then put a trick in it A jazzy kick in
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 14: it They've got a couple of old reformers in heaven
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 14: making them go to bed at 11. Pack up your
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 14: sins and go to the devil and you'll never have
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 14: to go to bed at all.
• 1:29:57
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• 1:30:11
  Speaker 2: I hope you haven't taken my stories too.
• 1:30:13
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• 1:30:36
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• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: Talk hard!
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  Speaker 7: Woo-hoo-hoo!