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THROWBACK: Occult Winchester Mansion · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Loll.
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  Speaker 4: All right, everyone, you are listening to the Cosmic Peach
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  podcast and tonight I have on New York Patriot from
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  the Occult Rejects and also he has his own show.
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  Everyone already knows this a New York Patriots show. Thank
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  you so much, And yeah, I'm a huge fan, have
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  always been a huge fan. Never thought i'd actually get
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  to talk to you and like spill my crazy out
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  all over you.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't want to hit you up. I think
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  you're like holy shit.
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh my god, it's just New
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  York Patriot. Don't make you no.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 5: That's a listen, and thank you for having me on
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  and even thinking to me with this too.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you were the first person I thought of,
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  because what we're going to be talking about tonight is
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  the Winchester Rifle Mansion, and a lot of people are
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  familiar with this place, but as I was talking to
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  New York about it, it's only ever covered in a
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  paranormal aspect. But what about all the symbolism, what about
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  all the dark shit? It gets glossed over one percent
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  of the time.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really good point. You know. I was gonna
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  kind of make a comment going along with what you
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  were just saying. I looked at some of the stuff
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  that you had sent me, and I think I, like
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  I said, I did watch two different shows on one
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  or two about it. One of them was a lot
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  more of kind of like the history of like the
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  House and the Lady, but it can't go too deep.
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  And then the other one just went straight in to
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  go something. But you know, like the thing with me
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  is that I was watching it and I'm like, wait,
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  you said, seance room, you got weird stares going on
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  over the place, she got doors opening that, like just
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  the wall there, and like we're not gonna get into
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  more of this, like we're just gonna kind of breeze
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  over that and just go along with like, which I
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  think is still interesting. Oh look at the sculptures on
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  the one, which still looked a cult to me. But
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  it was like we just kind of glazed over the
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  sands room.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know, and it's like there's a big
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  fucking elephant in the room and its name is occultism. Okay,
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  that's what I found. But yeah, So the first thing
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  I think that is interesting is this bad Boy is
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  located in California.
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  Speaker 5: So much weird shit out there.
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  Speaker 3: I know. We just like before we covered the Cabala,
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  like technically our last series that even the Occult Rejects
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  did was on a cult in California.
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  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. And she never had ever been to California.
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  She grew up in Connecticut and had lived her whole
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  life in Connecticut. And then when she decided I'll get
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  into why, but she moves to California and builds this
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  sucker right in the middle of San Jose, California, and
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  it's supposedly one of the most haunted places in America.
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  But I don't think ghosts are what they're seeing up
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  in there.
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  Speaker 3: I can agree with that. Or if it's it's yeah,
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  or if they aren't, they're probably not understanding what's making
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  that happen? Right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's completely bizarre. It's completely bizarre, and it's so
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  it's twenty four thousand square feet and it's a Victorian mansion,
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  obviously built in the late eighteen hundreds. Staircases to know
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  where doors that lead to nowhere. Everyone knows this, but
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  now here's where I need your thoughts, feelings, opinions, New York,
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  because I noticed that some of the doors open up
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  to a thirteen foot drop and there's thirteen bathrooms and
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  thirteen steps on each staircase. What do you think about that?
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  Speaker 5: Well?
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  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, even before when you mentioned how
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  much a square foot it had, I had wondered if
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  that was like, you know, I broke that down to
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  like six twenty four, bit JAMONTI you make that six.
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  And then you mentioned thirteen a few times, aiding that
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  together you would, uh we would still you'd get four.
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  Those are two male like kind of masculine numbers. That
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  was just the first thing that came to my mind.
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  If I could be wrong, but did the house have
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  seven floors before she started working on it, before it
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  started collapsing it?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a really big farmhouse and she
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  basically kept the original structure and just added onto it
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  over the years.
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  Speaker 5: But she spread out said shit down, I think.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the address is five two five, which is
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  five that's ten twelve one plus three, so we have
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  a three there, and then we have all these thirteen
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  foot drop, thirteen bathrooms, thirteen steps on staircase. I mean, like.
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  Speaker 5: Thirteen that's definitely don't on purpose.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, even if I can't even reason that,
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  I'm sure it has to be. I mean, oh, that's
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  stuff that like, I mean, in my opinion, if you
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  have a sands room you're into ocultism, probably that's something
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  you're gonna do on purpose.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I hope I can't not bring the fire for
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  this episode, so I hope I'm gonna just leave you awestruck.
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  But let's continue. Some of the stained glass windows are
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  super freaky looking. I don't know, if you've got a
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  chance to look.
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  Speaker 3: At those, the aren't in the house and the art
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  and the ground, they're kind of impressive there.
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  Speaker 4: No, yeah, I mean there's the stained glass windows are
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  like spider webs, and some of them look like like
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  solar systems, and like, what what did you find about
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  the strike on the ground.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of fishes. I mean, no, people may think
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  that's silly, but I think that could have like a
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  lot of like neither abyss or even type of like
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  you know.
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  Speaker 5: Even like the Jesus idea in a sense maybe stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Uh they had like just a lot of a lot
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  of stuff that seemed like kind of aquatic to me,
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  like it might have been common. It's just like the
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  thing is is like once I knew who this person
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  was into it, I have to stop looking at everything
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  like wondering, like you know, the reason for it when
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  you're getting into magic. I mean technically, if you're probably
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  doing what she thinks she was doing, it would be
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  crossing the abyss in a sense or pulling things from it.
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  So I thought like a lot of the art could
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  actually you know, go along with that type of stuff,
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  just in my opinion. Unfortunately, I think if the average
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  person looked at it, they probably wouldn't think anything of it.
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  Speaker 5: There was some of the glass structures that I saw
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  inside the house.
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  Speaker 3: That I don't know who made them. But I hate
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  to say it, but I really do think you know,
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  back in the day, you look at all these uh,
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  all these like churches or all these things are ability.
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  It's just like, you know that so much time and
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  attention because given to that, and we don't get.
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  Speaker 5: That anymore with stuff, you know, not really.
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  Speaker 3: And I do think people, you know, and it always
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  seems to be with like spiritual religious stuff. You have
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  these big, beautiful monuments made for so sometimes I do
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  think like people will put that much time and effort
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  into it because uh, it's kind I hate to sound cheesy,
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  but it's almost like you kind of receive the download.
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  They have an image in their mind and they want
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  to replicate it, and they will just stop it nothing
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  until it's gone. You know, when you fuck with magic,
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  you will be inspired to like do things and create things,
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  and either you can make art or you could be
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  an asshole in other ways. You know, there's so many
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  different ways you can go about it. But I do think,
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  like again, just going along with the type of person
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  that she was and what I did, you know, find
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  out very little about her. I you know, it's like
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  it's all to me characteristics of somebody into that stuff.
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  Other people, you know, maybe I'm if I'm sure if
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  I was like rich or just you know whatever, you know,
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  I would probably buy fucking weird looking art because I
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  understand what it fucking looks like, you know, or stained
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  glass windows because it makes sense to me, and I
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  would have that in my house and other people might
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  just that's pretty weird.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And speaking about the stained glass windows, I'm glad
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  that you brought that up again because what I found
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  was one of the stained glass windows says wide, unclasp
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  the tables of their thoughts. And I was thrown off
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  by this because it's cryptic as fuck. And then I
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  googled it and it's from a Shakespeare play.
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  Speaker 5: Oh fuck yeah, New York, New York Shakespeare.
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  Speaker 4: It's a Shakespeare play and Shakespeare said this phrase means
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  unbind the seance tables to freely communicate the messages of
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  the spirit. Yes, wow, now you tell me what you
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  think about that. Why the fuck are you getting that
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  on some stained glass windows?
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  Speaker 3: Well, if you know, we've come across it with the Gess,
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  the Order of Quatxicotal and a lot of mason in orders.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: I think Crowley's even mentioned him, you know the oto. Uh.
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  They have Francis Bacon, who is sometimes considered maybe like
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  you know, one of the two or three people that
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  really was Shakespeare. They do acknowledge Francis Bacon as a saint,
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  but a lot of secret societies are very big into Shakespeare.
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  They're very influenced by him, my opinion, and this is
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  how I think like that. I mean, I do think
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  there is an agenda to push weird sexualism and stuff
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  like that the world weird identities. But I do think
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  there is times where people This is why I think
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  is an example with Shakespeare. He was showing archetypes. He
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  was actually showing male and female energies changing around. There's
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  a fucking whole story going on there that the average
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  person doesn't realize, and they're just like, oh, that dude
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  looks cool in a women's clothes. I have no friends,
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  maybe I'll dress like that.
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  Speaker 6: People like, hey, they liked him on State, you know
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  what I'm saying, and then taking the shit wrong where
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  it's like, no, I really was just trying to show
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  a feminine energy, influencing, influencing a male with something.
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, and because you know, Shakespeare, I believe
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  was into the occult, so that's exactly what he was
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  showing with all that weird shit. So now you're saying
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  that she's got a quote in her house. I mean,
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  I'm by far sold this lady wasn't the ship.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no. And so my
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  question to you is, was the millionaire widow Sarah Winchester
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  actually a necromancer because there's a lot of evidence to
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  support that she was calling up the dead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean, if you're fucking with things from
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  the other side, I mean technically, I mean, it's all
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  like how you want to look at the wordage. But
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  I could see I mean, when you in magic, in
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  my opinion, real magic, you're kind of almost going back
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  in the past, back back before you were even conceived,
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  So you're the spirit if you're even messing with that
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  stuff or trying to contact other people. Technically, I mean
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  that would be you know, the rebirth or redeath, you
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  know it little looks to how you want to look
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  at it, where you're actually being birthed, whereas death, same
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  thing almost in a sense. So I could see, like
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  people saying necromancer like a lot of things I think
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  people use in magic, like all these different names, like
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  chaos magic. There's no difference in regular magic really or
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  thinking making people change their thinking. So like even with necromancing,
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  I mean, it's almost like a word to kind of
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  explain something that's going on anyway, But if you're doing
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  real magic, in my opinion, you would kind of.
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  Speaker 5: Be talking to the dead in a sense.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so that's this is what.
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  Speaker 3: In a sense, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, she's fascinated by it, which is why I think
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  she has that Shakespeare quote up there about the seances
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  and like. But I did want to tell you a
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  little bit about her past so we can kind of
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  pull that apart. She was named after her older sister
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  who died, and so she replaced her dead sister, Sarah
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  as Sarah.
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  Speaker 5: Did they have the same name or did she just
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  take care?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they named their their first daughter Sarah died, and
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  then they had they got pregnant again and named her Sarah.
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  Oh okay, like named her the same name as her
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  dead sister, like replacing her in a way, which I
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  felt like it just sounds sinister, Like why would you
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  do that, like assume the other sister's identity. It's like, oh,
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  first Sarah died, so we'll just have another baby and
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  we'll name her Sarah too, And it's like weird.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, also, depending on what her family was into
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  I mean, I would think, believe it or not. I
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  do think we're like names or specific letters do mean
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  stuff in occultism. So they might have stuck with that
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  name Sarah because of what it actually kind of represented.
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  If they were into that.
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  Speaker 5: Shit, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So they might have been hell bent are representing something. Yeah,
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  I think the first one didn't work. I guess we'll
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  name the next one.
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  Speaker 4: Well. They were pretty affluent people. They weren't broke by
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  any means. And she grew up right next to Yale University,
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  and at a very young age she developed an interest
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  in Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry.
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  Speaker 3: That's why you got William Shakespeare's Sure no one ever
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  brings that. Uh No, even in the Justice Initiations and
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  Quats the Cootal Initiations, they mentioned Shakespeare. Definitely mentioned Shakespeare stuff.
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  Speaker 4: And actually, I just want to change it for a
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  second because there's a new show on Netflix called The Sandman.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, wow.
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  Speaker 4: Have you watched it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I have to rewatch it again.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, do you remember when he he finds Shakespeare?
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  Speaker 3: Wait, was that the part with like his that dude
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  that he kept the meeting up with didn't he end
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  up like being maybe one or two play kind of
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  or he sted He was like a few kind of
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  well known people throughout this time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So basically they were implying that Shakespeare, because of like
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  this darkness that he wanted to portray, like the Sandman,
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  gave him this gift of it's really dark. I mean
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  they mentioned a Uster Crowley in the first episode.
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  Speaker 3: No, they do, Yes, they do. You're right. That's why
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  I put it on actually is because luxtold me, and
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  that's why I watched it. I was like, yoh, it
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  was like right out the gate and within the first episode.
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  You're right they mentioned Crowley.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and it was like the one deity that was
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  supposed to represent desire. What do you think about that?
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  That was like, whoa, that's.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, it's actually something that I think Luck.
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  Speaker 3: Said he'd be interested in covering because I actually think
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  there's so much shit in that show.
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  Speaker 4: It's like the game that keeps on giving.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he very much. Uh kind of plays like the feminine.
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  You know a lot of people get could get into
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  like a you know, I guess Saturn being more of
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  a feminine thing, but like there is a male aspect
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  to that as well, and I think he was very
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  much symbolizing that. And I quote my eye because it's
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  you normally don't see that as often. You know, it's
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  normally always like a lot of like I hate to
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  say the phrasing of like the scarlet horse type stuff
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  or very like it's always like a woman that's like
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  controlling the scenario. So I thought it was interesting seeing that,
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  And I mean then I've also been kind of seeing
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  stuff even in media going the other.
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  Speaker 7: Direction now, I think anyway, yeah, getting away from left
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  pillars stuff, very scarlet horror, feminine energy collapsing in on itself,
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  to now are kind of going to an expansive energy.
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  Speaker 3: Get the Ukraine flag colors, perfect example, male colors green
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  still on the male tree, even though the queen was
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  wearing it, it's still on the mill side. So you
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  get a lot of I see a pendulum swinging, And
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  I thought, like that show kind of quote my eye
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  because I was like, oh, yeah, here's another male aspect
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  now instead of a feel.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna throw this out there and you can
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  tell me to fuck off New York. But if you
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  guys are gonna do a show on the sand Man
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  count me the fuck in. I will just and throw
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  out a comment every now. I was wondering if you
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  saw it though, because it was just like endless amounts
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  of like references and like it was so crazy.
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  Speaker 5: But anyways, yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 3: It's definitely I ever suggested people to watch if they
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  want to check it out for a cult symbolism. Yes,
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  they do. Suspect that the real William Shakespeare was a
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  Rosicrucian too.
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  Speaker 4: What, Yeah, that would make sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, holy shit, I forgot about that. Yeah, if like
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  Francis Bacon was a Rosicrucian too, and like they think
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  that he is one of like two or three people
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  that was Shakespeare. But regardless, there was a lot pointing
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  back to him being a Rosicrucian, just in some of
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  his books. I mean he has like shit in there.
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  Speaker 5: It's just like literally like shit that matches up with Rosicrucion.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're not the first person who's actually told
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  me that. So it's like coming full circle. Everything's like
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  a spiderweb. So Sarah Winchester is into Residicrucianism and Freemasonry,
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  and at the age twenty three, she married a family
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  friend named William Winchester. Two years later, after she marries
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  William Winchester, she has a daughter born June fifteenth, eighteen
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  sixty six.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sorry, what was the date again?
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  Speaker 4: June which is a six? Yeah, fifteenth, which is a six.
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  Oh shit, eighteen sixty six, so you got.
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  Speaker 3: You got six six, and then that would be seven twelve.
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  Speaker 5: Nineteen, damn, I don't know what that ten and bring
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  down the one.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Uh, that is interesting though. The first
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  two is six six.
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  Speaker 4: And then sixty six.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, oh no, I'm sorry, that would be nine,
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  and then twelve. There'd be twenty one to three, so
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  you get six six and then three.
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  Speaker 4: I just thought that was so weird. William right, yeah,
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  William Winchester, and then she marries him has a daughter
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  named Annie. And the sixes was weird because I was like,
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  if this it is eighteen sixty six, but it's like
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  weird because the baby mysteriously dies one month later? Wow?
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  Speaker 3: Really mm hmm.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, d for that, there is exactly one month.
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  Speaker 4: It said in July of eighteen sixty six, one month
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  after she died mysteriously, and it didn't give it the
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  date that she died, but it just said a one
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  month later in July, and I guess she was so
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  destroyed by it, like they decided not to have any
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  more children, but instead they just devote every waking minute
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  of their lives into guns. And so at that time,
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  soldiers are still using single shot carbines, meaning like every
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  single time they fired the gun, they have to stop
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  and reload, and as you can imagine, this was a
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  waste of fucking time, especially like if you're in the
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  middle of like a ward, stopping to like reload every
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  time you shoot your gun.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know it something I do want to add
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  real quick before you get going, and I forget. Yeah,
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  it may not be anything, but the daughter you said
• 21:41
  was June fifteenth, eighteen sixty six, that would have been
• 21:47
  when she died. Would have been more than likely when
• 21:51
  she was born. She was probably born in Gemini. When
• 21:53
  she died, it was more than likely if it was
• 21:56
  a month later, that was cancer. I mean, the only
• 21:59
  weird about that I'm thinking is because especially with freemasonry,
• 22:04
  at the top of the pillar, you have a cancer
• 22:07
  symbol on a lot of them, and they kind of
• 22:09
  like cancer can also be kind of like the keyhole
• 22:11
  of like how you escape the matrix citizens, oh, break
• 22:15
  out of the system. So I don't know, like, you know,
• 22:18
  that would be coming out of the flesh, experiencing magic,
• 22:20
  you know, baking out the system. So I don't know
• 22:22
  if there's anything there. I mean, I hate to even
• 22:24
  come up with like a weird thing about that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: Maybe she was supposed to who knows, But it is.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Weird though that she's surrounded by death, like she replaced
• 22:32
  her dead sister, She gets pregnant, baby dies, like she's
• 22:36
  so high it like she don't even want to have
• 22:39
  kids anymore after that, and there's a lot more death
• 22:43
  that surrounds her. But I don't want to jump the
• 22:46
  gun haha, punited that, Okay. So William Winchester's father, Oliver,
• 22:56
  buys out a bankrupt revolver company and heires mechanics to
• 23:01
  create the world's first repeating rifle. And it said that
• 23:06
  this gun was super fucking fast. It could fire off
• 23:09
  fifteen shots in ten seconds, and so less than a
• 23:14
  decade later, the Winchester rifle is an icon of the West.
• 23:19
  In the family's wealth X blodes, they become extremely wealthy,
• 23:25
  and so over the next couple of years, Sarah has
• 23:28
  a bunch of like weird deaths pop up in her life.
• 23:31
  Her mom, her father in law, and then her husband,
• 23:35
  William Winchester himself dies of tuberculosis. So her daughter, her mom,
• 23:40
  her father in law, and her husband die within like
• 23:44
  a five or six year period.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Oo, it sounds so special.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, he this
• 23:52
  is why I say, like, if you're surrounded by death
• 23:54
  just like constantly, and then you're named after a dead
• 23:59
  person and I don't know New York like that just
• 24:04
  it gives me the he be gbs.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know, no, I yeah, because then I
• 24:09
  started like going and thinking of like weird shit, because
• 24:11
  like you know, I do believe people like kind of
• 24:13
  like born for certain reasons when it comes.
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: You know, when you get into sick shit.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: It's just like, I mean, I hate to say, but
• 24:19
  when you see that much death.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Or any that's so wondering, like how much was.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: It like supposed to happen?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, of sacrifices, I hate to say it. Who yeah,
• 24:28
  And to.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Think of their their invention the repeating rifle, like damn
• 24:33
  you know that's a death machine.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know that would be very much like
• 24:38
  on the beast side of things, you know, like like
• 24:41
  a lot of like other reasons why I've been thinking
• 24:43
  we might be heading that way. Is even just the
• 24:46
  shit with Elon Musk and with the rockets, it's very
• 24:49
  like I mean, it's fucking dick firing off. It's very
• 24:52
  explosive energy. It's complete opposite side of the left side,
• 24:56
  raw explosive energy. So like we're seeing rockets, I mean
• 24:59
  I would consider that's the same shit. Yeah, oh, I
• 25:02
  mean look at you even on Skinwalker Ranch. You got
• 25:04
  them shooting rockets up too. I mean, everybody's representing this
• 25:07
  phallic energy that has to do with weird shit.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, no, that is a good point. That is a
• 25:13
  really good point.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: So I would even look at the gun as possibly
• 25:16
  even being like, you know, representation of we're playing that
• 25:20
  side of it now.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: Who knows, Oh yeah, definitely. But as the story goes,
• 25:28
  after William Winchester's death, she becomes a recluse and she
• 25:32
  just sits in her house in Connecticut. She's inconsolable for years,
• 25:35
  and what she's doing during this time is a fucking mystery.
• 25:38
  No one knows for sure, And then she pops up
• 25:41
  all of a sudden in eighteen eighty five, out of
• 25:44
  the blue and just heads to California like inconsolable recluse.
• 25:49
  No one knows what's going on with her. It's a
• 25:51
  total mystery. Wakes up one day, I'm moving to California,
• 25:56
  and so she bought her house right right because she
• 25:59
  gets in touch with this guy named Ed Rambo who
• 26:02
  is an old business associate of her dead.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Wait his name is Ed Rambo?
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Was he?
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: And CALLI? Yes? Oh fuck, that's so well. I think
• 26:13
  I could be wrong, you know what. So there was
• 26:15
  I forgot where I was covering it. Fuck, I could
• 26:17
  be wrong.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: I may not be California.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: There was a thing that we came across when we're
• 26:22
  covering the Order of Quasic Hootal And I could be wrong,
• 26:25
  but I thought it was like a Balboa Park in California,
• 26:30
  and it just seems very like I had all this
• 26:32
  occult structure there and it was just like really weird.
• 26:35
  And I started even thinking about, like, you know, as
• 26:38
  crazy as it sounds, I'm like, well, Rocky Balbo, I'm
• 26:40
  like looking at his movies now, but whatever, But I
• 26:42
  just think it's it's funny if ifs Rambo and Balbo.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Know, the name stuck out to me because I was
• 26:48
  like ed Rambo. I was like, this is so funny.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, is this what Stallone got all these
• 26:55
  names from?
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: That would be he bought up so he and he
• 27:06
  was involved with the Winchester family because he was like
• 27:10
  a longtime friend of the family and that's why she
• 27:12
  reached out to him as was she said like, hey,
• 27:15
  I need your help. I want to move to California
• 27:18
  and buy a house. And so he took her to
• 27:20
  like this desolate area that was considered to be at
• 27:23
  the time like an untouched frontier and it was a
• 27:28
  forty five acre ranch surrounded by fruit farms. At the time,
• 27:34
  the farmhouse was just an eight bedroom house and it
• 27:37
  was like kind of dilapidated. Yeah, yeah, I know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: They said there was like levels that were like kind
• 27:41
  of like ruins just from.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just dilapidated piece of shit. And she
• 27:46
  kept yeah it was. She kept the original structure though,
• 27:53
  and just started building onto it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was like a money pit, but she
• 27:57
  had the money to throw at it and then she
• 27:58
  made it into something.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, that and whether it be mental illness or
• 28:05
  she was conjuring up some shit. I mean, she built
• 28:09
  off of that dilapidated structure. So she hires a construction
• 28:14
  team and she designs the remodel herself. Now here's the
• 28:20
  part you were waiting for.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Yes, that's right, the plans, right.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Her plans have zero logic and the workers were never
• 28:31
  given architectural blueprints, only Sarah's rough sketches that she channeled. Oh,
• 28:43
  she would just show up one day with a sketchbook
• 28:47
  and she would say, I channeled this, and this is
• 28:51
  what the room is supposed to look like.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: I can't believe she even told the workers that she
• 28:56
  even show you know, it's good enough that you handed
• 28:58
  on fucking you know artwork, can say make this.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, her servants went to their fucking graves, zipped lips.
• 29:07
  They never said a fucking word about what went on
• 29:11
  in that mansion a fucking word.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Wow, that's I mean, just from the stuff that I've seen,
• 29:19
  it's like tons of weird architecture in that.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Fucking you got like staircases like going all over the place,
• 29:25
  right mm hm, Well they have them like leading to
• 29:27
  nowhere in some parts.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: Too, yeah, leading to nowhere. And so by the end
• 29:31
  of it, the house has one hundred and sixty rooms,
• 29:34
  including forty bedrooms, forty staircases, thirteen bathrooms, six kitchens, ten
• 29:41
  thousand windows, two thousand doors, fifty two skylights, forty seven fireplaces,
• 29:48
  three elevators, two basements, and only one shower.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: And you said, you said one thousand, what things of windows?
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Ten thousand windows, and.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Then you said something two thousand or two something.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: Two thousand doors.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Two thousand doors. See, that's weird because like today we
• 30:12
  were covering the Kabbala me and Lox and on the
• 30:17
  first I would consider, well, Cather would be the first
• 30:19
  sphere which I could maybe see that's why there was
• 30:21
  so many fucking windows, even though this is a one.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: Oh those zeros don't really matter, it's just the one
• 30:26
  is there.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: There's this there's a guy now that falls on the
• 30:30
  second sphere called Chokma and his name is Jennie.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: And you could see him depicted with two heads.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: One looking one way, one looking the other way, and
• 30:38
  it was almost as if he is like a door.
• 30:40
  Sometimes he will staying with that key in his hand,
• 30:42
  and he is on the second sphere. So I'm wondering
• 30:46
  if that's why there's that many doorways to represent.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Who was on the fourth sphere.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: That would be another male god. You could say maybe
• 30:54
  Zeus or.
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: I'd have to look at us and maybe Thoor might
• 30:59
  even fit there.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because forty bedrooms a moonrah.
• 31:03
  Speaker 8: I mean you know that's yeah, forty bedrooms, forty staircases,
• 31:09
  forty seven fireplaces, So.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I mean you can actually release something. Was there a
• 31:16
  three in there at all? Or A seven?
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Thirteen bathrooms, six kitchens, six kitchens, two basements, three elevators.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Three elevators.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, we three elevators. I don't know why you'd have
• 31:32
  forty fucking bedrooms in only one shower, but I guess.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: You know, it's interesting. This could be a stretch.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: But the sixth sphere in the tree, well, a lot
• 31:43
  of the spears all connect to that. And when you're
• 31:46
  in the kitchen, you're putting a whole bunch of shit
• 31:48
  together and making something out of it. I mean, that
• 31:51
  could be, but I'm gonna tell you occult this will
• 31:57
  think like that though, especially if like, look at this
• 32:00
  lady has worked on her house since the day she
• 32:03
  had it, so the day she died, right, she was
• 32:04
  always doing something with it. Did the lady? On my opinion,
• 32:08
  was burnt the fuck out from magic, like fucking with
• 32:11
  it too much, has too much going on in her head,
• 32:13
  and she's just constantly needs to do something mm hmm.
• 32:16
  She's probably like kind of like half lust and it's
• 32:19
  just taking a cult concepts and like I'm just gonna
• 32:21
  build it in my house mm hmm. And it's crazy
• 32:24
  because people get fucked up like that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Get this shit. New York the townspeople described her as
• 32:32
  fucking bizarre as fuck, and they said they said she dressed, Yeah,
• 32:39
  she dressed in all black, wore black gloves, in a
• 32:42
  black veil covering her face.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Well, that would be the black. The first feminine energy
• 32:48
  that comes into the Cabala's black. It's the black sear Banah,
• 32:52
  that's the first time. That's like the you know, all
• 32:56
  almighty feminine energy would be black. If she wanted to
• 32:58
  dress the black purple.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Oh my god. So this visually was into some dark shit.
• 33:05
  I knew it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Saturn and gets a lot of black, you know, black brown.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah. She never invited anyone over and the only people
• 33:15
  besides Sarah herself allowed in the house were her workers
• 33:18
  and the servants, which carried the secrets to their deaths.
• 33:21
  Of what went on in that house. Nobody ever talked
• 33:24
  about it, and even Teddy Roosevelt came to her home
• 33:31
  specifically made the trip just to see her, and she
• 33:35
  refused to let him in the house.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: What did he go to see her for?
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: He said he was a gun lover and wanted to
• 33:47
  meet the heiress of the Winchester rifle family fortune. Whatever
• 33:52
  he wanted to meet her, goes all the way to
• 33:55
  San Jose to meet her. Wouldn't let him in the
• 33:58
  fucking gate.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just find a way that the I
• 34:06
  don't know. Sometimes I don't think people are as naive
• 34:08
  as they are, So I just don't like, why would.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: The president even want to go see her?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Like, you have no idea someone who should know the
• 34:15
  you know all this intelligence about the country you're in,
• 34:17
  you don't know this lady's weird before you saw heading there.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: It's like one day he was sitting there and he
• 34:22
  told Eleanor He's like, you know that old lady that
• 34:24
  wears the black veil around town, has all those servants
• 34:27
  in her house been building on the house constantly for
• 34:30
  the past fifteen I want to go visit her and
• 34:32
  see what she's doing. Break some bread, have some coffee. No,
• 34:36
  this is not happening, Like there's there is something that's
• 34:40
  not being said here about that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think him going to the house
• 34:45
  is very fucking weird.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, it is fucking weird. But so I'm sure
• 34:50
  you found this while you were watching videos or whatever.
• 34:52
  But there was like a humongous earthquake that destroyed.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: Like the house, yes, mm hmm.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: And it was so fucked that the workers were like, oh,
• 35:03
  we gotta start over, like there's no way we can't
• 35:05
  save this, and she was like, oh no, we're gonna
• 35:08
  save it. And she literally had everything reconstructed after the earthquake,
• 35:13
  and she did not start over, like she was like, oh,
• 35:16
  this is perfect. We'll just keep remodeling, remodeling, remodeling, We'll
• 35:20
  just fix everything. And construction literally never stopped until she died.
• 35:28
  And she would say like, if I stop working on
• 35:30
  the house, then I'll die. And in nineteen ten, when
• 35:37
  the construction slowed down, her health did take a turn
• 35:41
  for the worse, and then by the fall of nineteen
• 35:44
  twenty nineteen twenty two, she's barely hanging on by a thread.
• 35:49
  Makes all the arrangements for her will and then dies
• 35:52
  September fifth, nineteen twenty two, in her sleep.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: That's wild, that's actually I mean that as soon as
• 36:00
  she stopped working on the house and health.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Went yeah, and then she died.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: And what was what was the September What was it?
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: September fifth, nineteen twenty two.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe interesting else happened on that time? Oh well, the
• 36:14
  smooth day was too of the week.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: It might be interesting.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Friday.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh uh is that you that I told you
• 36:25
  that it was a lot of weird Friday. I noticed
• 36:27
  a lot of weird stuff with that. With a guest
• 36:28
  I had on one time.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I don't remember.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: She was doing a lot of Susan Mary Fine art.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you know who she is.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: She has an Instagram account kind of big. She doesn't
• 36:38
  Jumatria a lot. And uh, we had around.
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: The occult rejects and she started having.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: You know, the commonalities. We started noticing, or I did,
• 36:47
  because I started looking at some of the dates that
• 36:48
  she was showing for people, and I was like, do
• 36:49
  you realize a lot of these people all died on Fridays?
• 36:53
  Like what the fuck's up with that?
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: But uh, now this was on a Tuesday.
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Fuck that.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I told you, even after she dies,
• 37:04
  the servants won't fucking utter a word. And then this
• 37:08
  amusement park owner John Brown buys the house after Sarah's
• 37:13
  death and turns it into the tourist attraction that everyone
• 37:17
  sees today. But so nobody knew what the house looked
• 37:22
  like on the inside because nobody was ever allowed to
• 37:25
  fucking go in there, and the servants and people who
• 37:28
  worked there would not spill any tea. So until he
• 37:32
  turned it into a tourist attraction, nobody knew like what
• 37:36
  was really going on in there. Everyone is fixated on
• 37:39
  this seance room, right, And here's the details on the
• 37:44
  seance room. It has three doors to get in, but
• 37:50
  only one door to get out, So one of the
• 37:55
  doors is the exit. One door takes you down a
• 38:02
  narrow passageway to a closet, and the other door drops
• 38:07
  you eight feet into the kitchen below rops you eight
• 38:12
  feet Yes, and this is the seance room. Three ways
• 38:20
  to get in, only one way to get out. Once
• 38:23
  you get in there, one door takes you drops you
• 38:26
  eight feet down into the kitchen. The other door takes
• 38:28
  you down a narrow ass passage all the way down
• 38:32
  to a fucking empty closet.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Oh I remember seeing that.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Actually yes, I'm pointing that out, Like it was like
• 38:40
  this along the whole way. Is there everything like steps
• 38:42
  involved in that and just like went down to like nothing.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: It just went down to like an empty closet. Like
• 38:47
  literally it was weird. And so have you watched watched
• 38:52
  Have you listened to my Laurel Canyon Part one?
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: No? No, no, I have not.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, in that episode.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Actually so much fucking crazy shit over there.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, So in that episode I mentioned a little
• 39:07
  something about Harry Houdini being involved in weird shit that
• 39:12
  goes on in Laurel Canyon, and Harry Houdini himself was
• 39:16
  invited for a private tour of the house and was
• 39:20
  invited to conduct a seance in the house. Wow, a
• 39:27
  private seance. He goes to this closet of Sarah Winchester's robes,
• 39:36
  and according to Houdini, she used a different robe for
• 39:41
  each spirit that she spoke to. Yeah, does this make
• 39:46
  any sense to you, because I'm drawing a blank on
• 39:48
  why she would have done that.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Uh, well, I believe it. When I used to practice
• 39:53
  depending on what day, or what energy I was working
• 39:56
  with would determine what I'm probably wearing over my shit.
• 40:00
  You know, I'm gonna try to match colors to a
• 40:02
  certain extent, or I might just use like a regular
• 40:05
  you know, you can always you can always just go
• 40:07
  with the plain black or plain white, which have a
• 40:08
  way you're feeling. But I mean I.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: Had extra stuff where I'd have it on to match.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Like if I was, say I wanted to do something
• 40:19
  on a Thursday, I might make sure I have blue
• 40:21
  on me somewhere because Thursday or Jupiter, or it could
• 40:26
  go for like the sphere of chess set. If I
• 40:27
  was even just dealing with cabalistic stuff, I could even
• 40:30
  choose blue to go with that, or you know, maybe
• 40:33
  purple blue.
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: Would fit well, so this would make sense.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Then if oh yeah, yeah, that's that's when you want
• 40:38
  to get extra or if you're getting very specific, very
• 40:41
  specific on stuff. It's kind of like when you want
• 40:44
  to get more specific with with stuff in magic, It's
• 40:46
  almost like you're gonna have extra things to get to
• 40:49
  mean specific like elements or aspects or or or a
• 40:54
  lot of times you could also be a lot of
• 40:56
  just mental connection, you know what I'm saying, like, you know,
• 41:00
  I have a red candle. The red candle may not
• 41:02
  be doing anything, but in your mind, the red candle
• 41:05
  represents something. It represents what you're doing. So sometimes you'll
• 41:08
  even have a lot of that overlaid just for the
• 41:11
  fucking mind.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, so that makes sense.
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Then well no, I would totally say that that that
• 41:17
  is normal if they're probably serious in what they're doing.
• 41:21
  I totally would see that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Also in the Gaistia, I don't know if you've ever
• 41:26
  heard the Gayshia.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: That is like a book of seventy two demons that
• 41:30
  you will have to uh that that you can raise
• 41:33
  and kind of bind in a triangle and take control
• 41:38
  of it and you know, supposedly get stuff out of
• 41:40
  it or whatever. Each one of those all have their
• 41:44
  specific signs and all like their little things that are different.
• 41:48
  So you know, I depending on how this person was
• 41:51
  looking at her, I mean, that could be a perfect
• 41:53
  example if she was working with that stuff. Every time
• 41:56
  she worked with a specific demon, she would have a
• 41:59
  different outfit as well, in different things.
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: Oh fuck.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Like, because like you're because what you're also gonna do
• 42:06
  is you're gonna go in front of it with its sigil,
• 42:09
  saying like, I'm controlling you as well. So you know,
• 42:12
  if a person is just looking at a design that
• 42:14
  you're wearing on your shirt and doesn't fully understand it,
• 42:16
  they could still consider that different outfits where it's like,
• 42:19
  well it's maybe the same row. I just got a
• 42:21
  different fucking sign on that. You know what I'm saying, Yeah.
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: Because you had, because there's that specific.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: They have their own signs and you got to use
• 42:29
  their own ship to some you know, evoke them.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: See that's what I'm talking about, New York. I knew
• 42:36
  you were to have on this fucking episode. Yeah, that
• 42:39
  makes so much sense. Okay, now your thoughts on a
• 42:44
  place called the Hall of Fires. It's literally a corridor.
• 42:51
  You open the door and it's got four fireplaces in it.
• 42:54
  That's it. What do you think about this? Four specific
• 42:58
  fireplaces and yeah, corridor.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: For would go back to again. That is the on
• 43:06
  the Kabolatry of Life. First three spheres. I found the
• 43:10
  same on Troum interesting because you said it had three
• 43:14
  this the top of the tree. The first three spheres
• 43:17
  are all in the spirit form for the most part.
• 43:20
  The third one is kind of like half in and
• 43:22
  half out. That's the spirit kind of world being birthed
• 43:26
  into this world, or vice versa. But the first three
• 43:29
  really are of like spirit and out of body. So
• 43:32
  I can see the seance room having three associated with it.
• 43:36
  Now the four now, the third sphere would be the
• 43:40
  feminine energy that burts you into this world. The first
• 43:43
  masculine sphere is going to be number four and fire.
• 43:47
  You get fire and air is for male, and you
• 43:50
  have a water and earth for female when it comes
• 43:53
  to representing stuff, So the four fires I could see
• 43:57
  maybe representing that in a sense. You know, Chess said, males,
• 44:00
  you maal.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: You know what they said? She fucking used it for
• 44:04
  what to dry her laundry? My ass, Come on, New York,
• 44:11
  you're looking at me crazy, like that's even that's preposterous
• 44:15
  that she used it to dry the laundry.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: But again, the crazy thing is is that to her,
• 44:22
  she would just be like, oh, I'm drying my laundry
• 44:24
  and it's representing a fucking this something occult to me,
• 44:27
  Like yo, it could be that fucking she could have
• 44:29
  been that off, you could really, I mean, I hope not.
• 44:36
  I just hope that's just a bad excuse of what
• 44:38
  she was using.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: A horrible excuse.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: But the long hallway that yeah, it's even like again
• 44:46
  almost a phallic symbol, you know what.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, now that that's what I was.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: She could have even like, well, you know, that could
• 44:56
  have been like a fucking what I was even gonna say,
• 44:59
  like that long hallway even going.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: To like a cabin or whatever you said, closet.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: These things could have been alters of shrines, you know
• 45:07
  what I'm saying, that whole way with the four fucking things,
• 45:09
  that could have been like a specific Now if I
• 45:14
  was rich, I guess, you know, and I was still practicing,
• 45:17
  this is what I would do. Like I was saying before,
• 45:19
  when I worked with certain spheres on the tree, I
• 45:21
  had certain things that would go with it, certain colors,
• 45:23
  this and that. I guess if I had the money,
• 45:26
  you know, I instead of setting up a different altar
• 45:28
  every time I want to change it, I just would
• 45:30
  you know, make one and leave it and maybe go
• 45:33
  have another room and put my other one in there,
• 45:35
  you know, so I could just keep building upon it
• 45:37
  and never take it down. That could have been specifically
• 45:40
  like like me just for that sphere, for those experiences,
• 45:43
  for that stuff with the aballa, that room could have
• 45:46
  just been whenever she wanted to work with chess.
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm, oh yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, because that's I'm just getting like things that
• 45:52
  I could see as being a magician, Like if you
• 45:54
  had money, things that would make it easier for you, Yeah,
• 45:57
  if you wanted to be extra.
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: You know, she had endless amounts of money. And I
• 46:03
  mean psychics and mediums and people have been in there
• 46:06
  and they say they detect a lot of demonic activity.
• 46:10
  But the one thing I wanted to end it with
• 46:12
  is that, or not ended with. But this is a
• 46:15
  closing thought for like the part about her. After William died,
• 46:21
  Sarah goes to this Boston medium named Adam Coons and
• 46:28
  asked him to summon William's spirit And basically this Adam
• 46:34
  Kuhns conveyed messages to Sarah from William, one of them
• 46:38
  being a warning, and William said that Sarah was in
• 46:44
  great danger and she would be forever haunted by the
• 46:48
  spirits of every soul killed by the Winchester rifle unless
• 46:52
  she built them a home a vessel. And some even
• 46:56
  say that the way Sarah designed the home was to
• 46:59
  act as a laborateth to confuse the spirits so they
• 47:03
  would not be able to find her your thoughts.
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: Oh shit, I mean, I mean I can see that
• 47:12
  making sense. Uh.
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: You know, I was just thinking before too. You know,
• 47:17
  I mentioned the gaatia. I could see maybe using some
• 47:21
  of those things in there to have conversations with the
• 47:25
  other side as well. So you know, I'm wondering, like now,
• 47:29
  really wondering what she kind of maybe fucking with you
• 47:31
  fucked up entities to do what she was doing.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I think she will.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Uh. And if you were and I guess, if I guess,
• 47:39
  if structure does have some sort of an influence on
• 47:42
  these entities, I mean, it would totally make sense. I mean,
• 47:44
  I guess I'd be trying to confuse the fuck out.
• 47:48
  I mean, I need some sleep.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, think of it. It really is like a laborateth,
• 47:54
  like you go up a staircase and fu ceiling or
• 47:58
  something like weird shit like, oh, I'm just gonna open
• 48:02
  this door twenty foot drop to your death on the sidewalk.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Yo. It wasn't there one going out like the side
• 48:09
  of the house.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Yes, And it looked like it would have just been
• 48:13
  a bathroom or something.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, I forgot about it that. She cracked me
• 48:17
  up when I saw that kill.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: There's a door on the fucking outside, Yes, and it
• 48:21
  wasn't locked, you could just open it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, Yo, could you imagine walking the fuck
• 48:28
  out of it?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Can you imagine?
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, how did you how did they die? Well, they
• 48:34
  were at Sarah Winchester's house and they had to take
• 48:36
  a shit and they ended up opening a door in
• 48:39
  the hallway that just went right outside and they splattered
• 48:42
  themselves on the sidewalk. The fuck.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: No, that reminds me of it. I don't know where
• 48:48
  this show took place. I hope you maybe you know
• 48:51
  what the name you remember this, but you probably don't.
• 48:54
  It was a really shitty movie. Do you remember nothing
• 48:56
  but trouble?
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Didn't it have Chevy cha?
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: And they were they were like in some weird house.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I'm just wondering where it took place. Uh, it's like
• 49:09
  some kind of like like they went to.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Dan Ackroyd was like the judge.
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, he played like a bunch of different people.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: But somehow like him. And uh, I forgot this chick's name, Uh,
• 49:23
  Demi moore him and Demi Moore end up like Chivy
• 49:25
  Chase and Demi Moore end up in front of uh
• 49:28
  dan Ackroyd as like a judge and like they're trying
• 49:30
  to break out of the fucking place and it's like
• 49:32
  all these weird like amazing ship inside the whole house
• 49:36
  to get out.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was weird movies. And there was like some
• 49:41
  weird hot dog train.
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: That was disgusting.
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: It was like a weird hang out.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm trying to I think it might have
• 49:59
  taken place take like around New York. So I was
• 50:02
  just wondering, like, yo, imagine this shit's like this took
• 50:04
  place over in California near the same.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't fucking surprise.
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think so, but I did check though.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: It was interesting. Just popped into my head.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: No, yeah, my mom was obsessed with that movie and
• 50:18
  we laughed at the same like five parts over and
• 50:20
  over again. Yeah. But my final little snippet that I
• 50:28
  have here is about that dude named Aiden Sinclair who
• 50:33
  is putting on magic shows at the Mansion to this day,
• 50:38
  and he calls himself an illusionist. But my question, first off,
• 50:43
  is Sinclair as in the same Sinclair's that trace their
• 50:47
  bloodline back through the Saint Clair family, being descendants of
• 50:51
  Jesus and Mary Magdalen Wow and Claire the Illusionist in
• 51:00
  the Winchester Mansion.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: See sometimes like I wonder, like, all right with the house?
• 51:07
  I mean, is it part of the architecture in what
• 51:09
  she was doing inside the house?
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: Could it be a mixture of that.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: In lay lines or maybe something specific with that area?
• 51:16
  Is this some sort of maybe almost like magnetic.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Field that if you were defeated, helps.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: It create things that you know, So that could all
• 51:26
  be there, So like other people could probably go there
• 51:29
  and if they understand what they're doing, kind of take
• 51:32
  advantage of like maybe a hotspot, Like I.
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: Think about it in New York, she could have fucking
• 51:37
  open up a portal in that motherfucker. And just as
• 51:41
  a side note, this Sinclair family, who traces their bloodline
• 51:45
  back through the Saint Clair's were a part of the
• 51:48
  priory of Sion who practiced her metic black magic. Think
• 51:53
  about it.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I listen. I mean, if I was
• 51:59
  to have goes to Wuipment and hours to go there,
• 52:01
  I'd be doing it completely different than everybody else because
• 52:04
  I'd be expecting to be finding shit, and I'd probably
• 52:07
  do shit to try to get it to come out.
• 52:09
  But I'm pretty sure that there is residual energy in
• 52:13
  places like those. That's why I was trying to get
• 52:15
  out before neither from things that they've done.
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: Was it already predisposed from where it.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: Was built, how the house is built, and you could
• 52:20
  just never change it unless you're to break it down
• 52:22
  because of the geometry, you know, whatever reason. I do
• 52:26
  think that, like, uh, I even think, like totally honest
• 52:29
  with you, like, all right, I put it this way.
• 52:30
  If Zach Beggins ends up this and then yeah, there's
• 52:32
  some fucking weird occult ism probably going on because he
• 52:35
  just has been there. Oh how's you go?
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Oh no, he's already been there.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Oh fuck yo, Yo, seriously, I do watch his shit
• 52:45
  and I but I you know, and I'll knock him too.
• 52:48
  He's very good at what he does. I just don't
• 52:51
  really can't. I think it's horrible, but he is good
• 52:53
  at what he does. But I think, honestly, in my opinion,
• 52:56
  I do think he's into the occult and this is
• 52:58
  why this places he chooses to go because he thinks
• 53:01
  it's a hot spot or what I was getting at
• 53:04
  me as a magician, I would go to these places
• 53:06
  maybe knowing that if I feed it a little bit something,
• 53:10
  can I get a reaction as well?
• 53:11
  Speaker 5: Or can I manifest something as well? So I do
• 53:14
  think you have magicians out.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: There showing you paranormal silly shit, but they're actually neither
• 53:20
  hoping they find something or they're trying to use that
• 53:22
  area to create something. And let's just eve can get
• 53:25
  on film, you know?
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: Oh yes, And I've always said, like Zach from Ghost Adventures,
• 53:34
  like could they not have found a more attractive guy?
• 53:37
  Like they had to put this ugly motherfucker up? Was
• 53:39
  there even an interview with this guy?
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah? When he was younger, at least he looked like
• 53:43
  he was. Well. Then again, I mean to me, it
• 53:45
  was obvious he was juiced up, but like, at least
• 53:47
  younger he was in better shape. But even then, I
• 53:49
  guess if women realized he was like kind of a juice,
• 53:51
  that might have still not have helped.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like a two out of ten. So I
• 53:57
  don't know, I've never I've never liked it, but the
• 54:01
  show was cool for what it.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Is obviously, Oh yeah, it's entertainment.
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just entertainment, not retarded. It's funny.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh, we don't want to go in there.
• 54:14
  And Aaron, you know, really always in areas. Yeah, he
• 54:20
  has the He's the most like animated, comical like person
• 54:23
  I think in that field.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: Really Okay, So what do you think about The Dead
• 54:28
  Files with Amy?
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sons so many memes. I love the eyes. I
• 54:36
  love the eyes. She's got crazy eyes. But you know what,
• 54:41
  I think she's legit. I do too, Yeah, well, and
• 54:46
  you know legit where she I think she understands magic
• 54:49
  for sure. I think she can pick up things. Now,
• 54:52
  how theatrical is she? I don't know that, you know,
• 54:56
  I don't know to the degree of that, but I
• 54:58
  definitely do think that woman she's legit.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've always loved The Dead five.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I mean even I forgot who did I I saw
• 55:07
  somebody some other show had the dude from The Dead
• 55:12
  Files on for like a two minute guest and it
• 55:15
  was like this other show that's only been out for
• 55:17
  a few years. I'm like, you know, so it was
• 55:20
  just kind of funny, how like they even busted his chops,
• 55:22
  Like yo, you guys have been out of for so long,
• 55:23
  but just never got that break. If you really think
• 55:26
  about it, they're actually out of all those shows, they
• 55:28
  really aren't. They kind of are like the most least
• 55:31
  known in my.
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Opinion, And I wonder because is it, you know, maybe like.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: She's a little bit legit and unless she unless she
• 55:40
  kind of picks a team, she just won't get anywhere.
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know why more people aren't watching that as
• 55:47
  opposed to Ghost Adventures, because I feel like the stuff
• 55:50
  that she finds is way more.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: I've actually thought about trying to contact the guys, you know,
• 55:58
  if I can get them on my Showlder.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: The investigator, the detective. Yeah, he's really like no nonsense
• 56:06
  kind of guy, Like he'll go.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: I just think it would sound funny that both of us,
• 56:10
  you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, But and just
• 56:14
  to hear like, because I'm sure there's like this stuff
• 56:17
  that just maybe didn't make the show that he could
• 56:20
  still talk about, you know what I'm saying.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, think about like what you do for
• 56:24
  a living as you travel around with the psychic medium,
• 56:27
  going to haunted houses talking to people, then you find
• 56:31
  out it's all real death certificates, stuff about the property,
• 56:36
  and like it for me. It's just how could he not,
• 56:41
  you know, I don't know. Maybe he does believe in it,
• 56:43
  maybe he doesn't. He always says he's like a skeptic
• 56:46
  or whatever. But I would be two episodes in and
• 56:50
  be full sold out like believer, like yes, this woman
• 56:54
  is seeing some shit, you know what I'm saying.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, you can even put it as easy as this.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is a like I don't
• 57:00
  picture myself like going this serious, but eventually, hopefully by
• 57:05
  next year, I do plan on buying some paranormal equipment
• 57:08
  because I do actually want to try to like prove
• 57:11
  in certain ways magic, you know. And if I had
• 57:16
  that type of stuff, I mean, and people told me,
• 57:21
  like if I had the equipment, like serious equipment, and
• 57:25
  if people told me like listen, you know, I think
• 57:27
  my house might be wanted or there's something weird going on,
• 57:30
  I mean, I would legit just go there, and I
• 57:33
  would no lie probably for free, just to see if
• 57:36
  I can study and pick something up. I would go
• 57:39
  and go set up and do that type of shit,
• 57:41
  because to me, it would be like me trying to
• 57:44
  study and show magic or magic more for me, not
• 57:48
  so much paranormal, but like I could see how somebody like,
• 57:52
  so what I'm getting out of somebody who's into used
• 57:54
  to be into magic, used to be a ceremonial magician.
• 57:57
  I would actually love doing that. It's not something I
• 58:00
  would get into. I got my podcasts instead, But that
• 58:03
  would really interest me a lot because it would be
• 58:06
  almost like me going out with toys and trying to
• 58:09
  scientifically now prove magic instead of me.
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: Doing all my little shit that I used to do.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you know, like it's kind of like I
• 58:16
  understand I have an idea maybe of what magic and
• 58:19
  the paranormal is, and I think I might be able
• 58:21
  to prove it with science with these machines. That would
• 58:25
  be me, and like, for all you know, that could
• 58:26
  be her and she just got a little bit of
• 58:29
  popularity and got on TV.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: I think she's awesome.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I think I think she's a real deal.
• 58:34
  And I'm not saying anything bad negative about her. I
• 58:37
  don't know that well, but I do definitely think I
• 58:39
  will give her credit. I think she is one of
• 58:41
  the few that actually is gifted.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree with that one hundred percent. So
• 58:46
  what do you think about the spirit box or whatever
• 58:49
  it's like basically like the white noise. You ask a question,
• 58:53
  the answer kind of comes through in some type of like.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: There's certain ones that I'm I'm not a fan of,
• 59:01
  unfortunately not to be. I'll fucking bang on Zach again.
• 59:04
  But the kind of one like they have one, I
• 59:07
  don't know if maybe I'm confused with the type of
• 59:09
  box it is, but it's like too much and too loud,
• 59:12
  and it just seems like you could pick up so much.
• 59:14
  And then there's other ones that it just sounds like
• 59:15
  it's more of like kind of like white noise and
• 59:18
  just things kind of coming in and out.
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: It's hard to explain. Some of them I would, uh.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I would use. I don't know how much I would
• 59:28
  value it, But there's definitely the ones I would not
• 59:31
  use because I think it's just spitting out too much
• 59:33
  random shit, or it's just made to spit out random
• 59:35
  shit so people buy it.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you that, like it's made for TV.
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: Well, you know what the thing is too, you know,
• 59:42
  from what I've even started noticing from having some paranoral
• 59:46
  investigators on my show, you'd actually be surprised how a
• 59:50
  lot of that equipment is actually kind of what almost
• 59:53
  directly from somebody who makes it as well.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: Mm okay, so like you know, yeah, so.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: There's no like all, you know, or it could be real,
• 1:00:03
  you know, legit for real, which you know I'm sure
• 1:00:05
  was out there, but I mean, you know you have
• 1:00:07
  no ise.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no ghost ear us. You just go and
• 1:00:10
  pick up.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can, you can buy this shit online.
• 1:00:14
  But I like anybody that I know that's like, uh,
• 1:00:17
  you can even see Zach or anybody professional. They'll probably
• 1:00:20
  if you're watching ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures, any of those shows,
• 1:00:23
  at some point they'll probably mention a piece of equipment
• 1:00:26
  that they bought from a specific person, you know, and uh,
• 1:00:30
  it's not like a store, you know, somebody actually made
• 1:00:33
  you know.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, put that a lot on a lot of ghost shows.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: And and plus the people that I've had on my
• 1:00:38
  own show, I've noticed that. So you have to also
• 1:00:41
  want to like, you know, is it even working right?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: Did you like Ghost Hunters?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I liked them at first for a while.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: What were they called TAPS.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: Yes, Transatlantic Paranormal.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: Society Yeah, yeah, mm hmm or something like that.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: Don't know, Uh, yeah, I like them a lot at
• 1:01:00
  first because, uh, they seemed to debunk a lot. A
• 1:01:05
  lot at least, like I knew they weren't trying to
• 1:01:08
  sell me. I'm like, wow, you know, and sometimes you
• 1:01:11
  actually got a whole episode that just kind of sucked,
• 1:01:13
  and I was like, oh, well, you know, at least
• 1:01:15
  I thought it was like somewhat kind of you know,
• 1:01:17
  not descripted. I think eventually it just got just like
• 1:01:20
  the rest. But uh, and.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: You know, that's what I've heard why they even broke up.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I don't know how truthful that was, because one didn't
• 1:01:27
  want to do that anymore the other one did. I
• 1:01:29
  don't know. That was one of the very few shows
• 1:01:31
  that when I was like kind of like in the
• 1:01:33
  later teens, that I actually like specifically watched.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: I watched it in I watched it in elementary school,
• 1:01:41
  so I'm I'm a little bit younger, but I do
• 1:01:45
  remember watching it as a kid and being like, they
• 1:01:48
  never see any fucking ghosts on this show. Like it
• 1:01:51
  was always just like why do I do.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: In every week? And then when they did give you
• 1:01:56
  a bo you thought it was exciting, right, I.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 4: Was so sided. Every Wednesday the ghost us and then
• 1:02:03
  it was like they never saw a fucking ghosts, but
• 1:02:05
  it was still cool because it was one of the
• 1:02:07
  first shows like that.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just funny though when you
• 1:02:13
  look back at it too. One thing I did think
• 1:02:16
  was weird. It was like I was like, Yo, the
• 1:02:18
  whole Rota Ruder thing, like that had to be bullshit.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they always check. They'd always check the fucking toilet
• 1:02:26
  and in every fucking house that they went in, and
• 1:02:28
  they'd be like, I'm having ghost activity, Well is your
• 1:02:31
  toilet clong?
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: I think Rota Rud was just a big sponsor of
• 1:02:38
  THEIRS when they first started to help pay for the
• 1:02:40
  course of the show. I'm sure, because I really don't.
• 1:02:43
  I was like, come on, like, why are you getting
• 1:02:45
  that whole Like why did you even have to take
• 1:02:46
  that whole angle? But for the most part, I did
• 1:02:49
  think the show was kind of like okay because it
• 1:02:51
  didn't seem over the top for a while. I think
• 1:02:53
  it lasted a long time. It was a little bit
• 1:02:55
  of weird shit that they kind of did. I think
• 1:02:57
  almost reality TV is with some of the character is.
• 1:03:00
  Oh yeah, like the first I think season or two,
• 1:03:03
  they ended up getting rid of that one gig because
• 1:03:05
  it was just like a constant problem. He's having problems
• 1:03:07
  with this girl's having problems working with people on the show.
• 1:03:09
  Blah blah blah. Then there's that one kid that started
• 1:03:12
  liking the fucking chick that was there, and yeah, we
• 1:03:15
  can't be having that. It was like a little bit
• 1:03:17
  of a kind of reality TV tourist in there. That
• 1:03:20
  shit that was kind of like, ah, man, don't do that.
• 1:03:22
  But yeah, for the most.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: Part, in the Ghost Assholes New York, this is the
• 1:03:30
  this is the part of the job. I ask you
• 1:03:34
  some personal questions about you. Okay, sure, and now this
• 1:03:39
  is going to be part of my spectacular for October.
• 1:03:42
  So what was your favorite thing you dressed up as
• 1:03:46
  for Halloween as a kid?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 5: Man, the only thing I can really well that I remember.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I guess that I kind of liked. I think got Dracula,
• 1:03:58
  but like that was like kind of like my idea
• 1:04:00
  and I kind of stuck with that. But like once
• 1:04:02
  I got to a certain age, I really didn't dress
• 1:04:03
  up anymore. So that's like really the only thing I
• 1:04:06
  can think of.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Was it a homemade costume?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it was like a mixture of like stuff from
• 1:04:10
  the store, and like my mom, it all like the
• 1:04:14
  fucking ye blood. And my mom loved Halloween, so I
• 1:04:17
  was like, too, yeah, that was all.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 5: Actually I had fucking blood coming all over.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: The Yeah, did your mom take you to the rich neighborhood?
• 1:04:27
  Did trick or treat?
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: Uh? No, that's funny because like I like I people,
• 1:04:34
  I know people who have done that, and that's that
• 1:04:36
  is Like that was like a thing like even on
• 1:04:38
  Long Island, like you could be in a decent area
• 1:04:40
  and then like go fifteen minutes and then like be
• 1:04:42
  in somewhere like I could never afford here, so like
• 1:04:45
  you could just even take like a ride fifteen to
• 1:04:47
  twenty minutes away and end up in some like little
• 1:04:49
  area that like I'm sure you're gonna do a lot
• 1:04:51
  better off you're not going to those doors.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my mom would take us to this place
• 1:04:56
  in Kentucky. It was like where all the doctors and
• 1:04:59
  people live, and they would only open the gates for Halloween,
• 1:05:03
  So nobody could really go into the neighborhod unless you
• 1:05:06
  lived there, But for Halloween they would open the gates
• 1:05:08
  and like they'd give us like candy apples and like
• 1:05:12
  those big, humongous chocolate bars for like cooking and just
• 1:05:17
  the most extravagant trick or treating ever, And I just
• 1:05:21
  always thought it was funny because she'd be like, We're
• 1:05:23
  gonna go trick or treating in the rich neighborhood.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, I have plenty of times I've
• 1:05:32
  heard of that.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: With me, with the kid, I was just I think
• 1:05:34
  we kind of just stayed in our area.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: It Wasula, Yeah, Dracula, Son of the Devil. Really nice.
• 1:05:47
  Your favorite Halloween candy? Are you chocolate guy or Snickers,
• 1:05:58
  Peanut butter cups, peanut butter cup.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not into candy corn or.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Hell fucking no, it tastes like toothpaste.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was much more like, uh, you know, if
• 1:06:11
  I got like.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: Eminem's with the small little candy bar things, I'm cool
• 1:06:13
  with that.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I was really never into like a lot of the
• 1:06:16
  chewining candy and stuff.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: No, sour Patch kids, Oh no, those are all right.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: No, those I actually do like those. It's just it's
• 1:06:23
  not something I think about. But if I would have them, sure.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: And then, of course the honorary question of the show
• 1:06:33
  is what is your favorite scary movie? Oh or show?
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Scary movie show? Yeah, that's a good question. Scary movie, Well,
• 1:06:50
  oh fucking I can't even say that. It's so silly.
• 1:06:53
  I was gonna say the Blay of Witch, because I
• 1:06:54
  thought it was real when I saw it, But it's
• 1:06:56
  like so embarrassing. I can't believe.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: I'm just I thought it was real when I saw it,
• 1:06:59
  as Yeah, because I like literally saw the day over
• 1:07:02
  the day after and didn't know until a few days
• 1:07:05
  after the fact. I think I read like the newspaper
• 1:07:07
  or something.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh man, yeah, what a letdown, prick.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: Far because at the time I thought that was the
• 1:07:17
  creepiest shit. Uh. My favorite horror movie, yeah, you know
• 1:07:21
  what would probably uh hmmm, I don't know, all right,
• 1:07:25
  I can't say favor, but if I was to suggest,
• 1:07:29
  I guess maybe we have. My favorite would probably be
• 1:07:32
  the Rob Zombie Halloween.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's the first time I've gotten that. So good.
• 1:07:41
  I love original answers.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he definitely stepped up Halloween and Michael Myers and
• 1:07:49
  spun occultism all over that shit. M Really, he did
• 1:07:52
  a great job and really making something that in my opinion,
• 1:07:56
  was already on that, you know, to that extent, he
• 1:07:59
  really like put a lot of work into adding a lot.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they made a horror movie about the Winchester Rifle Mansion.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, I saw that on that site. You sent it
• 1:08:10
  to me too, Yes, I.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Mean of course I watched it.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: It was the whole thing available, or was or would
• 1:08:18
  you have to pay for it?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: I think you have to pay for it, but it
• 1:08:22
  works on Netflix for free for a time. And that's
• 1:08:24
  what it was. Embellished obviously, because nobody really knows what
• 1:08:33
  she was doing in there, because she didn't never let
• 1:08:35
  anyone in, and anyone who worked there never said anything,
• 1:08:38
  so obviously everything in the movie is conjecture. But basically
• 1:08:43
  she would trap the spirits in these rooms and like
• 1:08:49
  she put a certain number of nails in the door,
• 1:08:52
  you know. But you know how sometimes they can take
• 1:08:55
  something that's true and even add more like a cult
• 1:08:59
  shit to it by putting little clues and stuff in.
• 1:09:03
  I felt like that's what they were doing with the movie.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: Interested I have to see.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: If I can watch it, because she would be like
• 1:09:12
  this room is for this spirit and this door needs
• 1:09:16
  to get nine nails, you know what I mean. It
• 1:09:22
  was weird like that.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: This is when I'm getting out where like she legit
• 1:09:27
  could have had a different type of room for different
• 1:09:29
  energies that she was working with, Like on the Tree
• 1:09:32
  of Life you would would have nine at least nine
• 1:09:35
  rooms probably mm hmm. So uh, it's very that's very weird,
• 1:09:42
  and I like nails are very symbolic.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: I'm like kind of like grounding you to this plane
• 1:09:47
  or bringing.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: You back mm hmm.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: I think she was into some dark ship for sure.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: No, no, yeah, the more you talk about was like
• 1:09:57
  the definitely being specific. I'm like really questioning like if
• 1:10:00
  like the Gaatia like you were saying before, or she
• 1:10:04
  was definitely fucking around with stuff for sure. But I
• 1:10:07
  definitely think she might have been. I mean, you can
• 1:10:09
  even get into an Okio magic she might have been doing,
• 1:10:11
  and then that's a whole fucking uesome serious shit, which
• 1:10:15
  could be why this so much weird shit with that house,
• 1:10:18
  because that is some pretty like you know, if you
• 1:10:19
  get into an Okia magic, in my opinion, you are
• 1:10:22
  like really going out there to anxtent.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 4: Let's just say that she didn't do anything by accident.
• 1:10:30
  It was all on purpose, right, never a blueprint, only
• 1:10:34
  a sketch that was channeled all of this. I saw
• 1:10:40
  this one YouTube video where this guy who was like
• 1:10:44
  into architecture, said she was doing all this and it
• 1:10:47
  made perfect sense because she was putting windows here to
• 1:10:51
  let light into the lower floors, and it would make
• 1:10:53
  sense to put a door here. And as he was talking,
• 1:10:57
  he was making himself look like an ass, like there's
• 1:11:00
  no reason on fucking planet fucking Earth it makes sense
• 1:11:04
  to put trap doors that drop down thirteen feet. Like
• 1:11:08
  people always try to debunk stuff that cannot be fucking debunked, you.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: Know what, Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's all I was
• 1:11:16
  getting in too when I had watched whatever I watched.
• 1:11:18
  It's like they skimmed over a shit that I think
• 1:11:20
  that you and me would just be like, oh, hold up,
• 1:11:22
  can we go back? You're right like that. I don't
• 1:11:25
  think that's just so cut and dry, like let me look.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there's some demonic shit. Nobody needs
• 1:11:33
  to go there unless you are prepared to leave with something.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Probably that's an unfortunate part of that is, you know,
• 1:11:41
  especially very you know, weak minded person, and that's not
• 1:11:46
  knocking anybody, you know, or maybe if you have like
• 1:11:50
  just like certain mental illness, or if you're just very
• 1:11:53
  scared of depressed. Unfortunately, people like that to a very
• 1:11:56
  easy target, and they can walk away worse than they
• 1:11:59
  did do it in there.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Well would you say this is a selfish question,
• 1:12:04
  but like if you were gonna go like on a
• 1:12:08
  ghost tour or something like that, do you do anything
• 1:12:13
  like to put the shield up me?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I was to go, I you know,
• 1:12:19
  I think I don't even think I would. I'd probably
• 1:12:22
  just believe it or not. I mean, depending, I guess,
• 1:12:24
  depending on where I'm going.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: If somebody was like, hey, you want to come here?
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Uh, for the most part, I think I would probably
• 1:12:30
  just walk in and just if I felt uncomfortable, then
• 1:12:34
  new to leave and then reassess the situation. But I think, honestly,
• 1:12:37
  for the most part, I probably would just walk straight
• 1:12:41
  into a place. But if I had to, I mean, listen,
• 1:12:45
  if somebody thought that place was fucked up and I
• 1:12:47
  thought it was fucked up, I mean, I mean, I guess,
• 1:12:50
  to be totally honest with you, I mean, if somebody
• 1:12:52
  really believed it was desperate, I mean, I would even
• 1:12:54
  probably try to try vanishing stuff, basically manishing stuff, and
• 1:12:59
  I would approach the situation that way. Okay, but you know,
• 1:13:04
  I don't know, like, uh, I mean I don't know.
• 1:13:07
  I don't think I would go into a place like
• 1:13:09
  really that that worried, because like I think I would,
• 1:13:13
  I would know something's wrong before it got bad, you
• 1:13:17
  know what I'm saying, and then I would just decide
• 1:13:19
  is this worth me going any farther? But I mean no,
• 1:13:23
  if if I wanted to, I mean, even a basic
• 1:13:26
  meditation and just visualizing a shield around me or bowl
• 1:13:30
  around me for a while and then going, that could
• 1:13:33
  be even good enough sometimes.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: Or I could wear a certain uh.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: I mean I would even be open to wearing like
• 1:13:41
  certain oils or carrying certain crystals with you. I mean,
• 1:13:44
  there is there is ways that you could approach that
• 1:13:46
  stuff and protect yourself.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I probably I would probably.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: Go to the extent of trying if it was definitely
• 1:13:53
  like really worth it, you know.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I always just worry because like there's a lot
• 1:13:57
  of places that you go on an even day to
• 1:13:59
  day basic even maybe somebody's house that you think you know,
• 1:14:04
  you know, you're on the right.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you literally could just go to someone's house that
• 1:14:06
  you know of from me and not even realize that
• 1:14:09
  shit's like affecting you.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, are actually bothering you or like screwing.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: Up, like like like what if there's like you're the
• 1:14:22
  friend's fine, but like the parents, like you have no
• 1:14:24
  idea what kind of energy is going on in that house.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: That could be you know, affecting just a person in general.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have crystals by my door, my front door,
• 1:14:34
  for like I don't want nobody coming up in her,
• 1:14:36
  and they have some weird shit on them.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You could easily really I
• 1:14:40
  hate to say it, just sometimes people like again, like
• 1:14:44
  I was getting out, I guess like if you were
• 1:14:45
  somebody who like lived in fear or hate or shame,
• 1:14:49
  you're when you when you're when you're not like that
• 1:14:52
  and you're around the person like that, you always do
• 1:14:54
  kind of feel like the kind of an awkwardness or
• 1:14:56
  an uncomfortability if you pick up on energy, you know
• 1:14:59
  what I mean saying, So like just think about that.
• 1:15:01
  How like sometimes even when somehow, like I could see
• 1:15:06
  you and be like, oh.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: Just she doesn't feel right, something's bothering her and just
• 1:15:10
  know it somehow, you.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, And then like like oh I
• 1:15:13
  feel batter blah blah blah, Like you know what I'm
• 1:15:15
  saying like people can sometimes even sense that without even
• 1:15:18
  being like that close and knowing before you eat an
• 1:15:21
  approach a person, just think about somebody who's really fucked up,
• 1:15:24
  Like how that could affect you.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: No, I really do think like people do pick up
• 1:15:30
  a lot that they don't realize that as intuition.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah absolutely. And I was just talking to
• 1:15:37
  someone the other day because they said, I don't know why,
• 1:15:41
  like I want to be their friend. They seem nice enough,
• 1:15:46
  but every time I'm around them, I feel tired and
• 1:15:50
  depressed and like I just feel drained. And I was like,
• 1:15:56
  first off, that should be a red flag, because that's
• 1:16:00
  something called discernment. They might look like a nice person,
• 1:16:04
  or act like a nice person, or even say things
• 1:16:07
  that you like, but if you feel like you just
• 1:16:10
  got hit by a truck every time year around them,
• 1:16:13
  that's a problem, you know what I'm saying. So I
• 1:16:15
  always worry about that kind of stuff, opening myself up
• 1:16:18
  to certain kind of situations or even people, Well, people.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: Are gonna have demons themselves, and that's what you're feeling.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: I have to say, I even like I've even like
• 1:16:27
  I even had a friend in the oto that you
• 1:16:32
  used to fuck with the goags sometimes and then started
• 1:16:34
  having experiences stopped and there was a female friend of
• 1:16:39
  ours that was in the OTO, and uh like it
• 1:16:43
  was only like me and like maybe a few people
• 1:16:45
  that I really kind of spoke to because I really didn't.
• 1:16:47
  I just knew I didn'tthing. So there's very few people
• 1:16:50
  that I kind of like actually talked to them, especially
• 1:16:52
  in a magical you know, relationship. And like we all
• 1:16:56
  noticed like she was like kind of like riding that
• 1:16:58
  stuff pretty going pretty all with it, just like kind
• 1:17:01
  of got into that and was just going through their
• 1:17:04
  gods and like kind of wasn't going back to like
• 1:17:07
  you know, anything else. Like it's not like I like
• 1:17:09
  you just wanted to dabble, like you you're kind of
• 1:17:11
  like just going that way and just like weird, shit
• 1:17:15
  just was not going right. You even felt an uncomfortability
• 1:17:18
  around there. And my friend friend even said to me,
• 1:17:20
  he's like, bro, he's like when you play.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: With shit enough start to smell like he's like.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: He's like a real ship and he's like and people
• 1:17:33
  are even picking it up well or just the bad
• 1:17:35
  energy and just isn't even really fucking worth there either,
• 1:17:38
  Like you know, pulling away from her, you know, in
• 1:17:40
  a societal sense.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I mean I guess we could both agree
• 1:17:45
  that no matter what the situation is, everybody is a
• 1:17:49
  little shitty. But of course, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:17:52
  But to the point where.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: You live crazy, the crazy thing is real quick. And
• 1:17:56
  I'll even say it's that like she wasn't even doing
• 1:17:59
  it in a thinking.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: This is bad or even trying to hurt anybody.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: She thought she was just you know, contacting these aspects
• 1:18:06
  of like the demonic mind and shit, and it's like, well,
• 1:18:09
  you don't really need to like fuck.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: With that too much, like I think you're you know,
• 1:18:11
  doing but whatever, right, So like it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Wasn't even in bad intentions on anybody that she was
• 1:18:16
  doing these things and she was still fucking herself.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: That's why I just say I cover it on my podcast,
• 1:18:25
  What I Ever do it? Myself? Hailed to the no
• 1:18:28
  because I'm superstitious about all that stuff, you know. But
• 1:18:32
  at some point, I think everyone has like that shadow
• 1:18:37
  self that they have to deal with, they have like
• 1:18:40
  that demon in their closet, whatever that might be. Some
• 1:18:43
  people are just a little bit more obvious than others.
• 1:18:49
  But you know what I mean, because like everybody said,
• 1:18:51
  how nice of a guy Ted Bundy was, and like, oh,
• 1:18:54
  he'd never hurt anyone. Like he had that girlfriend forever
• 1:18:57
  long and he was super sweet to her and her daughter.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: Look at Gacy, right.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying is.
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  Speaker 3: Well, he was connected with politicians. He was, you know,
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  loved in the town. He put on parades, you know,
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  he was he was in it.
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  Speaker 5: He went to he got sentenced to ten years.
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  Speaker 3: This guy did eighteen months and had a miniature golf
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  thing put into the fucking prison that he was in.
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  Come on, go to.
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  Speaker 4: Hell that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah three, I.
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  Speaker 4: Hope he has thirty three demons just raping him on
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  a daily basis. Anyways, New York. Yes, if people want
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  to find you, where can they look? Instagram? Where's your podcast?
• 1:19:43
  Tell me about it?
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  Speaker 3: Right Instagram? I got the NY Patriot nineteen seventy eight.
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  There is the Occult Rejects also on Instagram, but honestly,
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  we're really very vaguely use it just the post episodes. Uh,
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  you can catch me on like I said, Instagram and
• 1:19:58
  New York Patriot nineteen seventy eight. We do have Twitter.
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  The ocult rejects that I'm on a little bit more
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  than the ocult rejects on I'm actually on Twitter and
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  Instagram the most. If you want to find me. I
• 1:20:07
  don't have a New York Patriot account on Twitter. I've
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  already been banned so many times with that name prior,
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  and unfortunately, like the only reason I can even access
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  Twitter is because I got a new phone and I
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  have a different like IP kind of thing now, so
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  may way, I can't even get back on. So yeah,
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  well from the prior one because the old phone that
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  I had was so I went from A thirteen to
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  twenty eighteen like that, No, no, I'm sorry, no, no, no,
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  and A and eight, oh my god, and eight to
• 1:20:39
  a thirteen. I went from my iPhone eight to a thirteen. Yeah, no,
• 1:20:43
  I went from an A to at thirteen, So think
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  how well fucking old I I mean, that phone was
• 1:20:46
  kind of old. So like, I've already been banned too
• 1:20:49
  many times, and like I couldn't use that phone anymore.
• 1:20:52
  I couldn't use the fucking computer. So it's like I
• 1:20:54
  had to wait till I got it on my phone
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  and then well, eventually I got a new computer and
• 1:20:57
  then that was fun too, So all right, yeah, that
• 1:21:01
  whole long joint out thing. Yeah, I'm on Twitter, the
• 1:21:03
  Occult Rejects, NY Patriot on Instagram, and then I have
• 1:21:07
  the MII Patriots show that's on an all major podcast.
• 1:21:10
  I do have Bitchoot and Rumble. I might phase out
• 1:21:12
  of those. We also have The Occult Rejects that's on
• 1:21:16
  Bitchoot and Rumble as well and all major podcasts, but
• 1:21:20
  they're really the best spot, really, I would say, as
• 1:21:24
  long as it's still up knock on wood. We do
• 1:21:26
  have a YouTube account. It's almost it's broken, nine hundred
• 1:21:29
  almost two one thousand members. We're hoping and hoping to
• 1:21:31
  make a thousand. We have tour and more, which we'll
• 1:21:35
  have my show, The Occult Rejects, and when Lucks, my
• 1:21:37
  co host on The Ocult Rejects, does his own show
• 1:21:39
  that will go on there as well. So you have
• 1:21:41
  like three different shows on there, and I put out
• 1:21:43
  at least two or three shows a week myself, so
• 1:21:45
  you have a lot of shit on that one YouTube site,
• 1:21:47
  tour and more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, can't keep a good man down, that's what. But yeah,
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  thank you so much New York for coming on my show.
• 1:21:58
  I'm still your number one fan.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you. I'll take that.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: I'll take that, always will be. But yeah, no, I
• 1:22:04
  think this was a great episode. Thank you so much.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: Sure, thank you. That was fun. Actually, oh yeah no,
• 1:22:11
  it took it for me because I was like, you
• 1:22:13
  know what, this is so funny. I was like, you
• 1:22:16
  know what, this works.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: Out perfect because like I can use this for my
• 1:22:19
  show and I'm.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 3: The guests because I actually thought this is interesting and
• 1:22:25
  I was like, I would cover this myself, so I'm
• 1:22:27
  going to use this myself. So I was like, this
• 1:22:29
  is great. I'm gonna have fun and I'm the guests
• 1:22:30
  and this will be an episode for me. Oh okay,
• 1:22:33
  I had a great time. I thought it was a
• 1:22:35
  really good show.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, since you said that, let me just plug.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: On my ownh yeah, go ahead, go for you.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: Here I go. So I have the Cosmic Peach podcast.
• 1:22:47
  I'm Julia if you didn't catch that in the beginning,
• 1:22:51
  and I cover everything from paranormal and all the nice
• 1:22:56
  dark shit that you can always imagine and very original.
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  Speaker 3: I will say, I think thank you.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: I try to be I'm the thing.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: I have to say out of all of the podcasts
• 1:23:06
  I follow, your don't. You're not covering anything I've seen
• 1:23:09
  somebody else I won't. I'll be totally honest with you.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like tainted to me if somebody else covering
• 1:23:17
  if I can do better than that. So if you
• 1:23:22
  want to get your mind blown, stop by Cosmic Peach Podcast. Okay,
• 1:23:29
  so I just want to tell people where they can
• 1:23:30
  go to get their minds blown, Cosmic Peach Podcast. But
• 1:23:35
  thank you New York, and thank you to all my listeners,
• 1:23:39
  and we will catch you on the next one.